Also maybe military history tied to certain alcohols or mixes? Greg already likes to discuss the origin and context, so if there are any tied more heavily into military actions or necessity of environment?
Imagine breaking into some semi famous youtuber with a funny beards house and you just hear screaming in broken french followed by a very mechanical "KA-CHUNK"
I can't remember the movie but I know i saw one where a bad guy kicks in someone's front door only to find some old guy sitting on the tripod of a Maxim, helmet and all grinning maniacally as he opens up on the guy.
Now Harry Turtledove needs to write a follow up to guns of the south, where a mysterious time traveller with a tidy goatee supplies the French army with Ppsh41s.
He also looks remarkably similar to the mysterious figure that supplied them with 7.5x54mm MAS-36 rifles and MAC-24/29 light machine guns back in 1893.
Losing part of the rifle while out riding would be an utter nightmare. You wouldn't even know till you got the thing off your back and you might have ridden twenty miles since the thing fell out. Cheers for the upload Ian.
I can sympathise with the French cavalry searching for their bolt plugs after searching for Steyr AUG gas parts that get dislodged in dense trees. Just like Ian said, NCOs yelling ‘we’re not going anywhere until numbnuts finds his gas plug.’ Fond memories.
I had a boss who was in an MG34 crew in the early 80s, he said when they got them they had been in storage for years, had a lot of problems with parts shearing.
I have spent the last 6 months rebuilding a Wildey myself, and in the process I actually got to talk quite a bit with one of the former designers of the gun. He had some very cool stories rangin from the set of Death Wish 3 to obscure metalurgy manufacturing details. If you are interested in doing such an interview, I can provide contact details.
Also, bottlenecked rounds have historically proven less than perfect in revolvers, at least high pressure ones. They tend to push back more than straight walled cases so the spent brass drags against the breech face and makes rotating the cylinder more difficult.
As far as I can remember, Norway had a mix of MG34 and MG42 machine guns after the war but a deal was made where we traded our 42s for 34s with the fledgling Bundeswehr. The Germans wanted to standardise on the 42 in a modernised variant, and a trade was agreed upon so both countries could standardise on something instead of both having a mix in service. As for the failure of the NATO conversion of the 34, I've heard from people who took part in that program that a problem was loss of institutional knowledge on how to run the 34 properly. Keeping these running in all sorts of field units takes a fair amount of maintenance and a special sulphur-bearing lubricant, units had been gradually losing the knowledge of how to properly operate those guns over a few generations so even unmodified guns in good condition were having problems in the field. So maybe the conversion to 7.62 NATO wasn't bad in itself, it was more of a training issue. Remember, at the time we had a conscript army and no real NCO corps to maintain the knowledge of the practical details that weren't found in manuals.
30:00 Your comment about just getting used to shooting right handed reminded me of my hockey stick. When I was in grade school, perhaps fourth or fifth grade, dad took me to buy a hockey stick. We had no idea that there were right and left handed sticks. Naturally I picked a left handed stick despite me being right handed. To this day I shoot and play much better left handed than right handed! I just got used to it.
We're going on 21 - 22 years since the cartridge was released, and it definitely has a following, but the one thing that would establish it as a major innovation hasn't really happened yet. That thing would be its adoption by a major LE user. Until that happens it will remain a niche cartridge. It's an excellent cartridge, a huge improvement over the .32 H&R Mag. I enjoy shooting and reloading for it. It'd be nice to see a few more manufacturers offer more models to choose from. A reputable maker with an 8" barrel version would make a heck of a Deer gun.
25:08 Ian: "My home defense gun is a Maxim..." Me: "holy sh*t Ian uses a Maxim Machinegun as a home defense gun!!!" Ian: "Silencerco maxim nine" Me: "ohhhhhhh"
It is encouraging to hear that parts kits will still be coming in. There are even some AK-12 and AK-15 kits showing up on forums and such. Maybe the future of the US surplus market is going to be increasingly parts-kits based. Maybe not so bad if we can use additive manufacturing (mainly sintered laser printing) to make more complex receivers in small batches
I was part of troop training for a new artillery piece for the Army. We did take the guns out for weeks/months and absolutely discovered unforseen problems. Loved this video
I feel sorry for the CSI personnel who have to examine the corpse of whoever trespassed at Ian's house: There was no sound of gunshots, the corpse had wounds of unknown (and forgotten) calibers ... and the last sentence of the deceased was "sacrebleu ! "
I appreciate the mental image of CSI desperately attempting to identify the model of the murder weapon, but it’s actually a one off prototype with unique ammunition and Ian stuffed the only surviving copy in an airtight box underground in a sand dune
ian: "after the end of world war 2--" my brain: "the world was split into two, east and west, this marked the beginning of the era called the cold war"
"They don't want me running off with it if it's perhaps a FAMAS..." Imagine the chaos that would ensue if in the full auto famas video Ian ran off with it at the end, and 6 months later he says he now owns a fully automatic famas.
To the point no spitzer bullets in handguns: Another important point is stabilisation. Shorter bullets need less stabilisation than longer. And when a bullet leaves the muzzle, this stabilisation is achieved in some distance of the muzzle. And that is the reason, why rifle bullets could have a deeper penetration at longer distances. Gen. Julian S. Hatcher conducted some tests in the book "Hatchers Notebook". On the other hand, as Ian said, pistol bullets are mostly used on short distance, an the stabilisation problem is better solved with a big diameter, short bullet.
Hey Ian, I always love watching all your videos. You're probably 30% or more of my TH-cam consumption. I appreciate the passion and knowledge you bring to the subject of firearms and I feel like you do a great job representing your views - and you make very enjoyable content.
Revolving Rifles are actually quite popular in Australia, where they are far easier to obtain for your average shooter than that of a 10/22 or any other semi-automatic rifle (of which are almost impossible to acquire). They allow shooters in restrictive countries to own a legal quasi semi-auto.
Italian mg-42/59 (7,62 Nato) have a modified bolt that lowers the cyclic rof down to around 800rpm. They’re nicknamed Maria Grazia by the troops and are still in widespread use as a gpmg. Sf guys tipically use 7,62x51 minimis instead but are often still trained on the old mg-42/59. The reception from what I gathered is -> reliable, powerful but SO heavy and cumbersome to slog around
Ian please include pictures with these talks if they are available it would help with following the narrative. you have one of the most interesting programs on yt
Excellent presentation as always Ian. If I may make one small remark concerning the MG42 topic: modern drone technology as well as the use of light attack aircraft such as the Super Tucano has made the use of machine guns in the anti-aircraft role relevant again. In my opinion it will only increase in importance.
Against drones, I expect high power jamming, not guns. I'm talking about enough power to smoke the drone, burn out the electronics. That's probably 1000+watts. A Super Tucano is not effective in a full combat environment. It's a great Counter-insurgency plane. But against opposition that has Stingers or SA7s, it's skeet.
As a fellow left hander I also don't need a Left hand modern weapon. I am accustomed to adapting. The only time a left hander weapon might have been needed was in the flintlock days when the pan location would need to be on the left to keep the flash away from the face.
Nice answer on the troop trials. I was in the army for a few years and going out in the field and making sure all your gear works together is very important. Each soldier has a certain way they like to setup their gear and training with new weapons/equipment allows them to reorganize their battle rattle. For instance when we deployed to Iraq we were giving the Interceptor vests which didn’t really work with the LBE gear we had previously. Unfortunately we didn’t get much training time before deploying and had to learn how to reorganize our gear while on patrols.
You should really find a way to do a rifle/musket + sword-bayonet video with Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria). Your Knowledge sets would be very commentary for a weapon-set which was meant to be used together, but whose enthusiasts have diverged into separate groups in recent decades.
The question about auction lots: the exception is where you have two people who are each the only person who want two different items. They end up bidding each other up if they are in a single lot but get "their" item on the first bid if they are separate. (Which by the way is true other kinds of auctions as well.)
You know, I never thought about the differences in handgun and rifle calibers, and why the former tend to be larger, but it's so obvious now that you explain it.
Yes, there is the 5.7, but it wasn't built as a handgun round. It was made as a PDW round first. It's about like calling the .30 Carbine a pistol round because there are a couple of pistols that happen to be chambered for it. Edit: and it's also a *really* long grip. I have decent sized hands (4" across the knuckles, can span an octave on the piano), and it was a reach for me to get my finger on the trigger.
@@MaaveMaave Pistol energy but still based on rifle style cartridge ballistics. Light bullet, with enough powder to make it shoot quite flat for a pistol/PDW. Additionally, because of the ballistics, it penetrates a lot of things better than 9mm, as intended.
Another problem with a revolver rifle is having all the holes of the cylinder open and just waiting to be filled with dirt and mud. This is not really a problem for sporting use, but for military use, with soldier throwing themselves on the ground and crawling through the muck, the gun would get clogged and made useless very quickly.
@@ostiariusalpha By the time these revolver rifles were around, the post Civil War US Cavalry had gone back to using horse mounted troops more as Dragoons rather than pure cavalry. So back to the problems.
@@barttorbert5031 Revolver rifles pre-date the U.S. Civil War, so they perfectly well could have fired them from horseback; and in fact, Colt revolver rifles were carried by the pre-war Pony Express riders for just such use. And dragoons may dismount to fire, but they were entirely too proud to "crawl through muck" as you previously commented. The chambers would have remained pretty clean.
@@ostiariusalpha I do now remember that one post Civil War US Cavalry regiment (which one slips my mind at the moment) did try revolver rifles. But the troopers were really freaked out about not being able to hold the rifle past the cylinder with their non-trigger hand to avoid chain firing and being burned. One trick was to rotate the loading lever down onto an empty chamber and hold onto it. It just never worked. I have to push back on the comment about "too proud to crawl through the muck". Look at all the illustrations of the cavalry in the Indian wars. Get down behind a bush or a rock to keep from being shot.
@@not-a-theist8251 : I know, that the ,Deutsch - Französische Krieg' or, 70er Krieg' is called so in english language countries, it was just to note the prussian allies.
I had the opportunity to shoot some SMG's and Machine guns in Poland last year. One of the Machine guns was an MG 42..and given my impression just from having seen pictures of it... I was actually shocked by the WEIGHT. That really is quite a heavy gun!
If you had the full kit for a unit with MG42 the kit had springs, boosters and bolt parts to change the cyclic rate up and down from 600 rpm to 1,200. It seems only some units were able and willing to keep the kits and then use them where lower rates would have advantageous.
Thanks for answering my questions. After seeing the C&Rsenals two episodes on the Madsen 1905 I have to agree, setting up a brand new production line for that gun would be a pain in the rear. Even if the german spies managed to get their hands on the data package.
I may be wrong here, but I thought the MG-1 was a 42 manufactured in 7.62 NATO, the MG-2 was an existing 8mm MG-42 converted to 7.62 NATO, and that the MG-3 was an improvement that among other things reduced the rate of fire
Exactly. If it wasnt for the AP capacity, the round would have been dead on arrival. Even the .22 TCM is loaded with round nose, it takes a special application to justify that weird kind of round.
I bought that Kyro Whiskey for my dad for fathers day after I saw you recommend it in the last video, and I gotta say, that is one of the most unique Rye Whiskey's Ive ever had. It slaps you right in the face with Rye.
In World War One I think there were also a lot of people early on who thought they needed weapons immediately because they thought the war would end soon.
So I had one of the original P320 handguns This was a very early production one that went to some police guy who traded it in. I was very happy to get it at the time because it was like super early production the gun to just come out. Fast forward to a shooting trip I took with a buddy. We cut our trip short because it started pouring rain, we literally live in the rainforest. we packed up in a hurry. I was drying all of my guns on the shelf in front of the heat vent and when grabbing one I knocked the P320 off the shelf it fell about 6 feet maybe 6 1/2 feet onto its rear. It proceeded to discharge through my house. Having touched off a round in a 10 x 10 room I can say the hearing loss isn’t that bad. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I get the joke but it's really what happens when way too many people put way too much thought into a set of requirements and a company goes above and beyond to actually meet them.
@@jameshealy4594 At *checks wikipedia* 16.5 inches long with the KAC suppressor and a weight of up to 5 pounds (full magazine, suppressor, and LAM), it really does have the size and weight of a pretty respectable club
@@jameshealy4594 yeah, the gun is just not very great. But only because it was made exactly to fit a weird standard, and HK damn sure met that standard. It was the best possible outcome of that project.
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 It is actually a great gun, and was beloved by many Navy SEAL teams; just not found to be quite as useful for its intended purpose as an SBR, for instance, to most other SOCOM units.
Hi, Ian, great vid as always, just to let you know that Portugal also used the MG3, I have a picture of my dad posing with one shooting from the hip taken in 73, while he was in Guinea-Bissau, way before rambo did it :) btw, when I was conscripted in 2000 we were still using it, thx for all the great vids.
Having put a few out myself, I look forward to your Wildey video. I believe the big problem yours had at the back up match was failure to get the gun tuned to the ammo. I find one needs to do at least 200 rounds of a specific load of Wildey (in either caliber) before one can say I have adjusted the gas feed so that the gun works perfectly with this specific cartridge. Of course any variation whatsoever in primer, powder type and charge, or bullet design and weight necessitates a whole new 200 round test and adjustment of gas port. It isn't in tune yet if you can't rapid fire 3 full magazines. 2.5 magazines means you need to do more fiddling. That .45 Win Mag or 9mm Win mag ammo is expensive must be viewed as irrelevant and of much lower priority to finding the correct gas port setting. It should be noted that disassembly and cleaning may also necessitate a new sequence of gas port adjustment. This may be a factor in why the gun was not adopted as a military service pistol by someone. Cost and weight become less important than issues of consistent reliability. :)
Holy crap looking for lost mas 36 bolt plugs during training sounds too familiar. In basic training we had to look for a firing pin retaining pin in a massive pit of shredded rubber. It was the company exercise area. Took us a weekend but we found it.
If you could get your hands on them I’d love to see you break down some modern rifles like the SCAR or M27 IAR, either on forgotten weapons or In Range.
You're the 2nd source that's stated the MG-34 was preferred over the MG-42 by post war forces, but you're explanation as to "why" is much more in depth Ian. I don't recall the title of the book I read about that in, as it was many years ago.
Regarding handgun calibers without spear point bullets the exception that proves Ian's argument is 5.7x28. It's a spear point bullet but it has the ballistics of .22 WMR because they have to make it that small to fit in handgun mag wells. And even then the two handguns that fire it are not tiny, they have pretty chunky grips front to back. What you get out of that cartridge is that it will penetrate most soft body armor but it's only shooting 30 grain bullets so you have to shoot your target more than once through the body armor unless you get lucky and hit something super vital on the first shot. In developing that cartridge FN traded bullet weight and diameter for speed for the express purpose of penetrating soft body armor. But if your target isn't wearing body armor almost any other handgun caliber will do more damage in fewer shots.
Yeah, that's TH-cam's new(-ish) chapter feature. If you have timestamps in the description, it'll do that automatically. An actual positive update to the TH-cam interface.
When I was much younger, in the army, we found ourselves in a 30 minute little firefight and I'm sure my issue orange earplugs were in the case on my TA. When the firing stopped it was dead quiet. I swear I could hear mouse facts a 100yds. I've also been at the range and had a .458 Solcom a couple of benches behind you touch one off with my muffs on the table and can't hear a thing for a half hour or so. I'm not alone in this call it a phenomenon just to name it something. 😉
Troop trials should also discover the user issues like the ability to lock to weapons together by inserting a fixed bayonet into the bayonet tube of another rifle.
I might have missed it but I don't think he said they did. He said they made MG42s which is accurate. Steyr and Beretta both started making new MG42/59s for Austria and Italy.
There are a bunch of cocktails named after guns. You talk about the gun. Greg talks about the cocktail. DOne.
Forgotten Cocktails. Boom.
Also maybe military history tied to certain alcohols or mixes? Greg already likes to discuss the origin and context, so if there are any tied more heavily into military actions or necessity of environment?
Please we need this
Simple: Cocktails of DD’s nightclub in Shanghai. It fits with Greg’s love of prohibition-era cocktails.
This sounds amazing!
I like the idea of Ian using a Maxim HMG for home defense.
That's the Maxim that I'm most familiar with by name so I had the same record scratch moment when he started talking about it.
@@nicholasresar same here, then googled it and it's a scifi silenced hand gun :')
If you’re not manning the machine gun nest of your home 24/7 wtf are you even doing
@@randompanda876 Certainly won't have any repeat offenders.
Imagine breaking into some semi famous youtuber with a funny beards house and you just hear screaming in broken french followed by a very mechanical "KA-CHUNK"
A lot of MG 34's got surplused to the Galactic Empire where they were converted to DLT-19 Heavy Blaster Rifles
I mean, if an execution-happy generalissimo ordered _me_ to let someone escape, I would probably aim _very carefully_ at something else.
@@mysss29 under rated comment lol
I heard that’s where surplus Lewis guns also go
The fact that the Maxim 9 is your HD piece is just endlessly badass for some reason.
Had the same thought. Purely nerd badassery.
Someone please make a meme out of "For the record, my home defense gun is a Maxim"
I can't remember the movie but I know i saw one where a bad guy kicks in someone's front door only to find some old guy sitting on the tripod of a Maxim, helmet and all grinning maniacally as he opens up on the guy.
@@wingracer1614 Not Johnny Knoxville in the Arnie flick where Arnie's a small town sheriff on the border with Mexico?
I wonder does Ian have it in a sandbag emplacement facing his front door?
@@johnegan7622 the last stand, that was a good movie in terms of the gun fight at the end
Umm breaking into Ian’s house “ what flavour of lead would sir like, and would you like that in individual serves or in bulk”
“They don’t want me to run off with it if it’s perhaps a Famas.” 🤣 1:03:08
That one legitimately made me laugh.
A legitimate concern I should imagine!
Now Harry Turtledove needs to write a follow up to guns of the south, where a mysterious time traveller with a tidy goatee supplies the French army with Ppsh41s.
He also looks remarkably similar to the mysterious figure that supplied them with 7.5x54mm MAS-36 rifles and MAC-24/29 light machine guns back in 1893.
Holy shit ......yes. I love The Turtledove.
Losing part of the rifle while out riding would be an utter nightmare. You wouldn't even know till you got the thing off your back and you might have ridden twenty miles since the thing fell out. Cheers for the upload Ian.
I can sympathise with the French cavalry searching for their bolt plugs after searching for Steyr AUG gas parts that get dislodged in dense trees. Just like Ian said, NCOs yelling ‘we’re not going anywhere until numbnuts finds his gas plug.’ Fond memories.
I had a boss who was in an MG34 crew in the early 80s, he said when they got them they had been in storage for years, had a lot of problems with parts shearing.
I have spent the last 6 months rebuilding a Wildey myself, and in the process I actually got to talk quite a bit with one of the former designers of the gun. He had some very cool stories rangin from the set of Death Wish 3 to obscure metalurgy manufacturing details. If you are interested in doing such an interview, I can provide contact details.
Do that
Ian back in time: Buy the Hotchkiss, Buy more of them, Train with them.
French High Command: THIS ISN’T ÉLAN!
Germans: *Employ the machine gun to devastating effect*
French High Command: That wasn't very elán of you.
"But this sub-machine gun thing? A weapon which is at its best when you vigorously assault the enemy and fight him at close-quarters? THAT is élan!"
@@fruitbat4429 It's fine as long as it has a bayonet lug.
@@janwacawik7432 And a rifle grenade launcher. This is France after all
@@wingracer1614 Of course. Folding stock and magwell might be desired as well.
Viewer: “ why weren’t gas seal revolving rifles a thing?”
Ian: “ look, nobody’s going to run around with uncircumcised rifle ammo”
.....lol....then there was the Nagant revolver in the 1890s
Also, bottlenecked rounds have historically proven less than perfect in revolvers, at least high pressure ones. They tend to push back more than straight walled cases so the spent brass drags against the breech face and makes rotating the cylinder more difficult.
I laughed a lot more than I thought I would.
Also nobody wants 25 lb manual hammers or trigger pulls
@@Kaboomf ...so turn speedloaders into pressure-bearing parts of the gun? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG
You've got a loyal viewer base mate, from all over the world.
Keep up the great content, and thanks for the enjoyable viewing.
Ian: "my home defense gun is a maxim"
Me: "wait, what?
You and 148,000+ other people.
It's official, we need to push for some kind of Ian and Dan Carlin podcast. Ian would be a great interview guest on Hardcore History Addendum podcast.
Yes! MAKE IT HAPPEN JESUS!
Totally agreed!
Warlord era china podcast
Dan is dealing with history on a huge macro level. Ian is focussed on hardware I can’t see the relationship. Both are interesting in their own fields.
@@bobcervante3801 STOP MAKING SENSE BOB! YOU'RE RUING MY FANTASY!
As far as I can remember, Norway had a mix of MG34 and MG42 machine guns after the war but a deal was made where we traded our 42s for 34s with the fledgling Bundeswehr. The Germans wanted to standardise on the 42 in a modernised variant, and a trade was agreed upon so both countries could standardise on something instead of both having a mix in service.
As for the failure of the NATO conversion of the 34, I've heard from people who took part in that program that a problem was loss of institutional knowledge on how to run the 34 properly. Keeping these running in all sorts of field units takes a fair amount of maintenance and a special sulphur-bearing lubricant, units had been gradually losing the knowledge of how to properly operate those guns over a few generations so even unmodified guns in good condition were having problems in the field. So maybe the conversion to 7.62 NATO wasn't bad in itself, it was more of a training issue. Remember, at the time we had a conscript army and no real NCO corps to maintain the knowledge of the practical details that weren't found in manuals.
30:00 Your comment about just getting used to shooting right handed reminded me of my hockey stick. When I was in grade school, perhaps fourth or fifth grade, dad took me to buy a hockey stick. We had no idea that there were right and left handed sticks. Naturally I picked a left handed stick despite me being right handed. To this day I shoot and play much better left handed than right handed! I just got used to it.
Nice to see one of Garand Thumb's past lives show up in the thumbnail.
Hes traveling through time to stop Ron Jeremy
white people: "Asians all look the same!"
Meanwhile white people: *Literally same person in all of history*
“They don’t want me running off if it’s a FAMAS…” I almost spilled my drink laughing at that. Definitely an Ian trademark.
Ian mentioned .327 Federal! I can’t believe it. .327 needs more attention. It’s an excellent round.
6 shots in a J frame is a solid 20% capacity increase, AND allows half moon clips to be used. Its a pretty great round.
huh? timestamp?
We're going on 21 - 22 years since the cartridge was released, and it definitely has a following, but the one thing that would establish it as a major innovation hasn't really happened yet. That thing would be its adoption by a major LE user. Until that happens it will remain a niche cartridge.
It's an excellent cartridge, a huge improvement over the .32 H&R Mag. I enjoy shooting and reloading for it. It'd be nice to see a few more manufacturers offer more models to choose from. A reputable maker with an 8" barrel version would make a heck of a Deer gun.
25:08
Ian: "My home defense gun is a Maxim..."
Me: "holy sh*t Ian uses a Maxim Machinegun as a home defense gun!!!"
Ian: "Silencerco maxim nine"
Me: "ohhhhhhh"
It is encouraging to hear that parts kits will still be coming in. There are even some AK-12 and AK-15 kits showing up on forums and such. Maybe the future of the US surplus market is going to be increasingly parts-kits based. Maybe not so bad if we can use additive manufacturing (mainly sintered laser printing) to make more complex receivers in small batches
"They wouldnt want me running off with--"
I think Ian has enough credibility that it wou--
"Perhaps say a FAMAS."
Oh, ok, yea, I can see that.
When I see the Q&A I know today is a good day!
Of course Ian casually brought a blaster to the backup gun match
Yes, but it was his _backup_ blaster.
I was part of troop training for a new artillery piece for the Army. We did take the guns out for weeks/months and absolutely discovered unforseen problems. Loved this video
As one of the guys who has be “on line” looking for a lost piece of gear in a training area, I had a chuckle at the bolt plug anecdote.
I feel sorry for the CSI personnel who have to examine the corpse of whoever trespassed at Ian's house: There was no sound of gunshots, the corpse had wounds of unknown (and forgotten) calibers ... and the last sentence of the deceased was "sacrebleu ! "
I appreciate the mental image of CSI desperately attempting to identify the model of the murder weapon, but it’s actually a one off prototype with unique ammunition and Ian stuffed the only surviving copy in an airtight box underground in a sand dune
Am I the only one thought, for a split second, that Ian's home defense gun would be "Maxim... Watercooled HMG"
Thanks for answering my question. I really love the MG34 and love reading everything I can on it.
ian: "after the end of world war 2--"
my brain: "the world was split into two, east and west, this marked the beginning of the era called the cold war"
"WHAT?!? METAL GEAR?"
I can see Ian and a collector running across the dessert as Ian tries to acquire a new FAMAS....
That would be a mess
Thanks for the timestamps, much appreciated.
"They don't want me running off with it if it's perhaps a FAMAS..."
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if in the full auto famas video Ian ran off with it at the end, and 6 months later he says he now owns a fully automatic famas.
I imagine Ian running from French rozzers just like the scene in Pirates of the Carribean where Capt. Jack Sparrow running away from the cannibals.
To the point no spitzer bullets in handguns:
Another important point is stabilisation. Shorter bullets need less stabilisation than longer. And when a bullet leaves the muzzle, this stabilisation is achieved in some distance of the muzzle. And that is the reason, why rifle bullets could have a deeper penetration at longer distances. Gen. Julian S. Hatcher conducted some tests in the book "Hatchers Notebook".
On the other hand, as Ian said, pistol bullets are mostly used on short distance, an the stabilisation problem is better solved with a big diameter, short bullet.
Hey Ian, I always love watching all your videos. You're probably 30% or more of my TH-cam consumption. I appreciate the passion and knowledge you bring to the subject of firearms and I feel like you do a great job representing your views - and you make very enjoyable content.
Revolving Rifles are actually quite popular in Australia, where they are far easier to obtain for your average shooter than that of a 10/22 or any other semi-automatic rifle (of which are almost impossible to acquire). They allow shooters in restrictive countries to own a legal quasi semi-auto.
Italian mg-42/59 (7,62 Nato) have a modified bolt that lowers the cyclic rof down to around 800rpm. They’re nicknamed Maria Grazia by the troops and are still in widespread use as a gpmg. Sf guys tipically use 7,62x51 minimis instead but are often still trained on the old mg-42/59. The reception from what I gathered is -> reliable, powerful but SO heavy and cumbersome to slog around
Ian please include pictures with these talks if they are available it would help with following the narrative. you have one of the most interesting programs on yt
10:45 Post cold war plenty of coutries also got MG-3:s when they bought surplus German Leopard 2 tanks as well.
Excellent presentation as always Ian. If I may make one small remark concerning the MG42 topic: modern drone technology as well as the use of light attack aircraft such as the Super Tucano has made the use of machine guns in the anti-aircraft role relevant again. In my opinion it will only increase in importance.
Not a bad point you have.
Especially drones
Against drones, I expect high power jamming, not guns. I'm talking about enough power to smoke the drone, burn out the electronics. That's probably 1000+watts.
A Super Tucano is not effective in a full combat environment. It's a great Counter-insurgency plane. But against opposition that has Stingers or SA7s, it's skeet.
Thank you for answering my question, I feel much better educated!
As a fellow left hander I also don't need a Left hand modern weapon. I am accustomed to adapting. The only time a left hander weapon might have been needed was in the flintlock days when the pan location would need to be on the left to keep the flash away from the face.
Nice answer on the troop trials. I was in the army for a few years and going out in the field and making sure all your gear works together is very important. Each soldier has a certain way they like to setup their gear and training with new weapons/equipment allows them to reorganize their battle rattle. For instance when we deployed to Iraq we were giving the Interceptor vests which didn’t really work with the LBE gear we had previously. Unfortunately we didn’t get much training time before deploying and had to learn how to reorganize our gear while on patrols.
You should really find a way to do a rifle/musket + sword-bayonet video with Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria). Your Knowledge sets would be very commentary for a weapon-set which was meant to be used together, but whose enthusiasts have diverged into separate groups in recent decades.
The question about auction lots: the exception is where you have two people who are each the only person who want two different items. They end up bidding each other up if they are in a single lot but get "their" item on the first bid if they are separate. (Which by the way is true other kinds of auctions as well.)
You know, I never thought about the differences in handgun and rifle calibers, and why the former tend to be larger, but it's so obvious now that you explain it.
French cocktails with How to Drink would be cool
I would love to see a forgotten weapons crossover with how to drink , or even with the AK guy . I think both would be entertaining and funny
INSAS and Arjun tank.
Oh boy, that's one hell of a combination
The Mediocre Indian Combo
Laughs in Pashtu....
So, selling firearms reference books profitably now is like trying to sell Thompson submachine guns profitably in the 1920s and 30s.
Thanks for clearing up the definition of bullpup, I’d always heard “trigger in front of the action” and wasn’t sure what exactly was meant by “action”
there is one spitzerish hand gun cartridge, the FN 5.7.
me too
Yeah, he was answering the question and I was thinking "wait, and the FN 5.7?"
@@quentintin1 it's pistol energy and sized for a pistol grip, I'd call that a pistol round
Yes, there is the 5.7, but it wasn't built as a handgun round. It was made as a PDW round first.
It's about like calling the .30 Carbine a pistol round because there are a couple of pistols that happen to be chambered for it.
Edit: and it's also a *really* long grip. I have decent sized hands (4" across the knuckles, can span an octave on the piano), and it was a reach for me to get my finger on the trigger.
@@MaaveMaave Pistol energy but still based on rifle style cartridge ballistics. Light bullet, with enough powder to make it shoot quite flat for a pistol/PDW. Additionally, because of the ballistics, it penetrates a lot of things better than 9mm, as intended.
Suddenly the demand for Maxim 9's outstrips supply......
I use my Mark 23 that was milled for an RMR as one of my home defense guns as well as my EDC.
I just think it's neat.
Another problem with a revolver rifle is having all the holes of the cylinder open and just waiting to be filled with dirt and mud. This is not really a problem for sporting use, but for military use, with soldier throwing themselves on the ground and crawling through the muck, the gun would get clogged and made useless very quickly.
Cavalry use would be just about the only practical application.
@@ostiariusalpha By the time these revolver rifles were around, the post Civil War US Cavalry had gone back to using horse mounted troops more as Dragoons rather than pure cavalry. So back to the problems.
@@barttorbert5031 Revolver rifles pre-date the U.S. Civil War, so they perfectly well could have fired them from horseback; and in fact, Colt revolver rifles were carried by the pre-war Pony Express riders for just such use. And dragoons may dismount to fire, but they were entirely too proud to "crawl through muck" as you previously commented. The chambers would have remained pretty clean.
@@ostiariusalpha I do now remember that one post Civil War US Cavalry regiment (which one slips my mind at the moment) did try revolver rifles. But the troopers were really freaked out about not being able to hold the rifle past the cylinder with their non-trigger hand to avoid chain firing and being burned. One trick was to rotate the loading lever down onto an empty chamber and hold onto it. It just never worked.
I have to push back on the comment about "too proud to crawl through the muck". Look at all the illustrations of the cavalry in the Indian wars. Get down behind a bush or a rock to keep from being shot.
The spitzer bullet in a pistol question kind of blew my mind. For some reason I had never considered that
It was fun watching you very carefully enunciate "Bolt Plugs".
Love the last question -- you have to try Bundaberg Rum - it’s Australia’s greatest rum
the franco prussian war is so cool. Didnt know about the campaign, thaniks for bringing that to my attention
Franco Prussian war? Have you forgotten the soldiers of Bayern, Sachsen, Württemberg, Baden, Hessen- Darmstadt, Oldenburg, Mecklenburg- Schwerin, Mecklenburg- Strelitz, Sachsen- Weimar- Eisenach, Braunschweig, Anhalt, Sachsen - Altenburg, Sachsen - Meiningen, Sachsen- Coburg- Gotha, Lippe- Detmold, Waldeck- Pyrmont, Schwarzburg- Rudolstadt, Schwarzburg- Sondershausen, Reuß - Schleitz, Reuß- Gretz, Hamburg, Bremen and Lübeck? :-))
@@brittakriep2938 no I haven't but that's how it's called in English
@@not-a-theist8251 : I know, that the ,Deutsch - Französische Krieg' or, 70er Krieg' is called so in english language countries, it was just to note the prussian allies.
I had the opportunity to shoot some SMG's and Machine guns in Poland last year. One of the Machine guns was an MG 42..and given my impression just from having seen pictures of it... I was actually shocked by the WEIGHT. That really is quite a heavy gun!
If you had the full kit for a unit with MG42 the kit had springs, boosters and bolt parts to change the cyclic rate up and down from 600 rpm to 1,200. It seems only some units were able and willing to keep the kits and then use them where lower rates would have advantageous.
Thanks for answering my questions. After seeing the C&Rsenals two episodes on the Madsen 1905 I have to agree, setting up a brand new production line for that gun would be a pain in the rear. Even if the german spies managed to get their hands on the data package.
I may be wrong here, but I thought the MG-1 was a 42 manufactured in 7.62 NATO, the MG-2 was an existing 8mm MG-42 converted to 7.62 NATO, and that the MG-3 was an improvement that among other things reduced the rate of fire
Loved all the "ados" this was a great watch, some really interesting and fun questions and, as always, great answers from the one and only GJ :-)
Regarding the spitzer handgun bullets, there are actually, like the FN Five-Seven or Ruger 57 which shoot the spitzer 5.7x28 cartridge.
And having owned a Five-seveN, it's a *very* long grip. Not as wide as my CZ75, but longer.
Exactly.
If it wasnt for the AP capacity, the round would have been dead on arrival. Even the .22 TCM is loaded with round nose, it takes a special application to justify that weird kind of round.
I bought that Kyro Whiskey for my dad for fathers day after I saw you recommend it in the last video, and I gotta say, that is one of the most unique Rye Whiskey's Ive ever had. It slaps you right in the face with Rye.
The Bofors 40mm was made in the US without proper licensing, solved after the war.
In World War One I think there were also a lot of people early on who thought they needed weapons immediately because they thought the war would end soon.
Totally forgot to submit a question for this one!
Great as always!
for a moment o thought he was gonna say his home defence gun is the maxim machine gun like...series home.defence from a nest xD
Fresh Q&A? Hello there, General Ianobi
“my home defence gun is a maxim, the 20mm is for door to door salesmen”
I had several sks's and very much regret selling them great guns very accurate easy to clean and use with a little training you could reload fast
Calico: He shot more than 200 rounds without a mechanical failure, WE MUST EXAMINE THESE GUNS
The right side charging G3 you had a while back is kinda purposely made for left handed operation
So I had one of the original P320 handguns This was a very early production one that went to some police guy who traded it in. I was very happy to get it at the time because it was like super early production the gun to just come out. Fast forward to a shooting trip I took with a buddy. We cut our trip short because it started pouring rain, we literally live in the rainforest. we packed up in a hurry. I was drying all of my guns on the shelf in front of the heat vent and when grabbing one I knocked the P320 off the shelf it fell about 6 feet maybe 6 1/2 feet onto its rear. It proceeded to discharge through my house. Having touched off a round in a 10 x 10 room I can say the hearing loss isn’t that bad.
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Glad to hear that Forgotten weapons are doing well during covid I feared that many would have pulled back on Patreon due to the Job market.
The thought of Ian running off with someone's Famas honestly sounds about right.
nice set of questions this month
The Mk23 with suppressor is more of a home defense club that just happens to be able to shoot bullets.
I get the joke but it's really what happens when way too many people put way too much thought into a set of requirements and a company goes above and beyond to actually meet them.
@@jameshealy4594 At *checks wikipedia* 16.5 inches long with the KAC suppressor and a weight of up to 5 pounds (full magazine, suppressor, and LAM), it really does have the size and weight of a pretty respectable club
@@jameshealy4594 yeah, the gun is just not very great.
But only because it was made exactly to fit a weird standard, and HK damn sure met that standard. It was the best possible outcome of that project.
@@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 It is actually a great gun, and was beloved by many Navy SEAL teams; just not found to be quite as useful for its intended purpose as an SBR, for instance, to most other SOCOM units.
Hi, Ian, great vid as always, just to let you know that Portugal also used the MG3, I have a picture of my dad posing with one shooting from the hip taken in 73, while he was in Guinea-Bissau, way before rambo did it :) btw, when I was conscripted in 2000 we were still using it, thx for all the great vids.
Having put a few out myself, I look forward to your Wildey video. I believe the big problem yours had at the back up match was failure to get the gun tuned to the ammo. I find one needs to do at least 200 rounds of a specific load of Wildey (in either caliber) before one can say I have adjusted the gas feed so that the gun works perfectly with this specific cartridge. Of course any variation whatsoever in primer, powder type and charge, or bullet design and weight necessitates a whole new 200 round test and adjustment of gas port. It isn't in tune yet if you can't rapid fire 3 full magazines. 2.5 magazines means you need to do more fiddling. That .45 Win Mag or 9mm Win mag ammo is expensive must be viewed as irrelevant and of much lower priority to finding the correct gas port setting. It should be noted that disassembly and cleaning may also necessitate a new sequence of gas port adjustment. This may be a factor in why the gun was not adopted as a military service pistol by someone. Cost and weight become less important than issues of consistent reliability. :)
Holy crap looking for lost mas 36 bolt plugs during training sounds too familiar. In basic training we had to look for a firing pin retaining pin in a massive pit of shredded rubber. It was the company exercise area. Took us a weekend but we found it.
If you could get your hands on them I’d love to see you break down some modern rifles like the SCAR or M27 IAR, either on forgotten weapons or In Range.
50:40 Answer: See the Colt Walker/Dragoon. They were designed to use a sugarloaf bullet. Their cylinders, in turn, are nearly the size of a grenade.
I also love the c93 more than the luger but they are also drastically more expensive and rare.
Thanks for answering my question!
You're the 2nd source that's stated the MG-34 was preferred over the MG-42 by post war forces, but you're explanation as to "why" is much more in depth Ian. I don't recall the title of the book I read about that in, as it was many years ago.
Regarding handgun calibers without spear point bullets the exception that proves Ian's argument is 5.7x28. It's a spear point bullet but it has the ballistics of .22 WMR because they have to make it that small to fit in handgun mag wells. And even then the two handguns that fire it are not tiny, they have pretty chunky grips front to back. What you get out of that cartridge is that it will penetrate most soft body armor but it's only shooting 30 grain bullets so you have to shoot your target more than once through the body armor unless you get lucky and hit something super vital on the first shot. In developing that cartridge FN traded bullet weight and diameter for speed for the express purpose of penetrating soft body armor. But if your target isn't wearing body armor almost any other handgun caliber will do more damage in fewer shots.
Oh hey the timescale at the bottom is separated out into sections! Now I don't have to keep another tab open with the question list.
Yeah, that's TH-cam's new(-ish) chapter feature. If you have timestamps in the description, it'll do that automatically. An actual positive update to the TH-cam interface.
Awesome hearing about the DIY makers match here!🇺🇸
Don't tell folks about Cold War collecting! There are still some rifles and handguns I want to acquire.
BRING BACK Q&A
When I was much younger, in the army, we found ourselves in a 30 minute little firefight and I'm sure my issue orange earplugs were in the case on my TA. When the firing stopped it was dead quiet. I swear I could hear mouse facts a 100yds.
I've also been at the range and had a .458 Solcom a couple of benches behind you touch one off with my muffs on the table and can't hear a thing for a half hour or so. I'm not alone in this call it a phenomenon just to name it something. 😉
Troop trials should also discover the user issues like the ability to lock to weapons together by inserting a fixed bayonet into the bayonet tube of another rifle.
Thank u gun Jesus for making my work day a-little better
I'd most def be up for a Greg/Ian collab. Forgotten cocktails?
New Production MG-1s and MG-3s for the Bundeswehr after WW II were produced by Rheinmetall, not Steyr.
I might have missed it but I don't think he said they did. He said they made MG42s which is accurate. Steyr and Beretta both started making new MG42/59s for Austria and Italy.
Correction: Re-watched and yeah he does say MG3.