An RO in a beginner's class for IPSC told us that he might say "if you think you're finished, unload and show clear". But I guess what he meant was he would say that if he knew you are a newbie. He wouldn't say it generally. So, do tell your ROs that you are new at this and it's your first match. They might be nice to you and help you out a little.
Just go to a match. You'll learn right away what to practice. You don't typically set up stages to practice. You set up individual elements of stages and work on 1 thing at a time. If you're interested in this, dont wait. Just go and shoot. You'll get lots of help and have a blast. These videos ate fantastic and I wish I had seen something like this before my 1st match.
Training for matches can be really basic small things. Because if you break it down, it's always: draw from holster, get good grip, get good sight picture, shoot target. Then move to other position, shoot next target. You have to break it down into simple moves that you can robotically reproduce without making unnecessary movements. Work on your shooting stance, work on your grip, work on your trigger pull. Then combine all these moves at the match.
After having shot a bunch of IPSC matches with no formal training, I decided to take a class with a good trainer and I can only recommend this to all beginners. He showed us how most people waste a lot of time with unnecessary movements and gave us some basic drills (most of them dry-fire drills) so that we can avoid making unnecessary movements in the future. This is the reason why when you watch the highest level pros, it looks so smooth and easy. They don't make unnecessary moves.
Just had my first chomp shoot today , shot straight but need better planning and slow down a bit and relax and keep my finger of the trigger when moving Your explanation was excellent , from Darwin Australia
At 34:18, isn’t that Charlie Mike NS? All I see is one hit on the brown. I don’t think you score any hits on white paper only, regardless of what stands behind it.
Negative. It was cutting the perf of the no shoot so the hit is scored as an alpha no shoot because it’s touch both the alpha and the NS. The cardboard outside of the perf doesn’t exist. Good question tho!
@@GatewayDefense Thank you for clarifying! Couldn’t see the perf line in that section of the video. I was looking up the USPSA scoring rules about the perf line and how it’s scored based on the adjacent sections. Very interesting (and complicated)!
I agree with others, great video! For newbies, the only other place you can handle your gun is at a safe area/table and with no ammo present. I almost got DQ'd for loading mags there. 😬
That is extremely lenient. At most IPSC matches from level 2 and up, they'd dq you for even shortly handling a loaded magazine in a safety zone. No discussion, bye!
AFAIK you can cut across in USPSA as long as you are not *shooting* from outside the fault lines. In IPSC it's more restrictive, you can only jump over corners but not step outside.
Justin should speak on doing this lifted handed. I know it’s not like rare but it’s different. He has to drop his mag just as quick as Brennan but I noticed his mag release is still on the left. What’s his choice of manipulation with that? Etc. great video‼️‼️🤞🏽
Definitely. One thing I (Justin) had mentioned on my first run was that the make ready should not be the first time you visualize, but the final time you visualize.
I know you shoot carry optics. I’m about to have my first match in that same division. I’m running a Glock 17 and want extended base plate but I don’t know which ones are legal?
For anything more than one or two steps, your left/weak hand lets go of the pistol (as a right-handed shooter) because you'll run much faster. For running backwards to the right, place the pistol over your left shoulder pointing downrange. Be careful not to flag your shoulder, this needs to be practiced. For running backwards to the left, point your pistol towards the backstop with your arm extended, pistol upside-down (it's the easiest position for your arm to be in). If you are running straight back 180° from the backstop you can do either or, depending on where you want to turn next, left or right.
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You absolutely can. It’s in the rule book. Important to take time to check your dot, load properly and carefully, visualize everything one last time, etc.
@@GatewayDefenseSure you can, but you aren't going to win any popularity contests lol. "A few minutes" is frankly ridiculous, but you do you. If everyone at Nationals took "a few minutes" to Make Ready on every stage we would have been shooting in the dark every day.
Yes, it's the same in IPSC, you can shoot any target as many times as you want and your best two hits get scored. But because your score is divided by time, it doesn't usually benefit you unless you miss or hit a no-shoot (with no hit to the target). With Charlies, even the best shooters can't usually shoot fast enough to make up the points. If you're really fast you can better your score when you see a delta and hit it with a third shot that's an alpha. As a beginner, don't even bother re-shooting unless you completely missed. The difference is, a charlie is two points less than alpha, a delta is four points less than alpha, a miss is zero minus ten points. So with a miss, definitely shoot again!
How would someone in California do this? Just more reloads? Lol. What if some people have legally acquired standard capacity magazines? I’ve never done this and really want to get into this.
Are they using an app to tally their scores and calculate HF? I've always done it by hand, is there a particular app someone would recommend using to make things faster?
Yes you can, but only if you know exactly where it is. Be careful not picking up a round that looks like your caliber but really isn’t (like 9mm major, etc)
Be careful to not pick it up until the RO says "range is clear". Because if you pick it up before, you might be dq'ed or at least given a serious warning. Also don't try and catch your rounds. It looks super cool but you're running the risk or flagging your hand with your barrel and get dq'ed.
@@TacticalOperator07 You're shooting like 200 rounds in a match. The entry fee for the match was like 60-120 Euros. The cost of gas to get to the match was like 50 Euros. One 9x19 round is like 23 Cents (Euro). That one single round at the end of each stage is really low priority. I'll pick it up when I see it, sure, because I'm Swabian (that's like Scottish but in German). But I'll not risk a DQ and I won't waste any time on it.
LOL. Most shooters pay out of their nose to be any good at this. Even if you're very good and have a sponsor, they will probably not cover all of your costs unless you're like Rob Vogel or Eric Grauffel. And even those guys make their money from being trainers and stuff like that. You have to love the sport and sink a lot of money into it essentially, because you're not gonna be Vogel or Grauffel.
From my experience with IPSC so far (it's really almost the same in USPSA): time is super important, so being faster and more sloppy will initially give you better results, but you'll be stuck at some point. Better work out the basics and try to become faster slowly with good hits. Avoid unnecessary movements. Get at least one training session with a professional trainer or very high-level shooter who can tell you what you're doing egregiously wrong. Don't let your ego get in the way. Even if you've been shooting for decades, a trainer can tell you stuff that you don't even realize. Even the very best world-class shooters rely on trainers to watch them shoot and analyze their movements.
A miss ends up costing you 15 points. You lose the 5 points you could have scored by shooting an alpha, and you incur a penalty of -10pts. If you are referring to a no-shoot white target, and you didn’t break the perf to where its scoring both as a hit as well as a no-shoot penalty, you end up with a miss (Mike) AND a no shoot (-10) for a total of -25 points, which is the equivalent of 2 paper targets and a steel target!
@@GatewayDefense I'm not sure if those hits breaking the perf of the no-shoot will count as an alpha and a no-shoot in IPSC. I was under the impression that these will only count as a no-shoot in IPSC. That would make a big difference, because a -10 no-shoot without plus points is really bad for your hit factor.
Given your handed, both of you chose the wrong side to start from on the stage. I could see a novice shooter choosing to start from the slower side. Most shooters should have no problem loading without breaking the 180.
@@TacticalOperator07 Anybody who's ever been to IPSC or USPSA matches will clearly see how this is impossible. You might think you are a good shooter, but just go to one of the bigger matches and be earth-shatteringly humbled. 😂
“IIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFF you’re finished” means you forgot something in the target array and you can technically go back and take care of it
There’s always the option 😂
An RO in a beginner's class for IPSC told us that he might say "if you think you're finished, unload and show clear". But I guess what he meant was he would say that if he knew you are a newbie. He wouldn't say it generally. So, do tell your ROs that you are new at this and it's your first match. They might be nice to you and help you out a little.
I would love to see a video on how to start training for USPSA When you don't know how to set up stages or anything like that.
Just go to a match. You'll learn right away what to practice. You don't typically set up stages to practice. You set up individual elements of stages and work on 1 thing at a time. If you're interested in this, dont wait. Just go and shoot. You'll get lots of help and have a blast. These videos ate fantastic and I wish I had seen something like this before my 1st match.
Yes! Please
Training for matches can be really basic small things. Because if you break it down, it's always: draw from holster, get good grip, get good sight picture, shoot target. Then move to other position, shoot next target. You have to break it down into simple moves that you can robotically reproduce without making unnecessary movements. Work on your shooting stance, work on your grip, work on your trigger pull. Then combine all these moves at the match.
@@junderwood6633i just dont know where or how to find the matches near me
@@rase2k_try looking them up on practiscore
After having shot a bunch of IPSC matches with no formal training, I decided to take a class with a good trainer and I can only recommend this to all beginners. He showed us how most people waste a lot of time with unnecessary movements and gave us some basic drills (most of them dry-fire drills) so that we can avoid making unnecessary movements in the future.
This is the reason why when you watch the highest level pros, it looks so smooth and easy. They don't make unnecessary moves.
As a new USPSA shooter, stage planning is what I'm struggling with. This video helps me alot. I will refer to it often. Thanks guys!
Same. Shit my first match and several times I missed targets because I just didn’t see them
Just had my first chomp shoot today , shot straight but need better planning and slow down a bit and relax and keep my finger of the trigger when moving
Your explanation was excellent , from Darwin Australia
That’s for the vid. I’m getting back into competition after taking 5 years off and it’s a good refresher.
The b-roll in the start made me have a feeling I was in for a treat
Great video! As a new shooter who hopes to compete this was VERY helpful! Thanks guys!
This is awesome info, I'm getting ready for my first match, thanks!
Great video. Just shot my first match last weekend. This is exactly what I needed. Makes much more sense as well.
So helpful, this is by far the best video I’ve seen on shooting in a long time!
Wow awesome coverage, we just need a drone operator to get frontal view. You guys rock! Thanks
Oh it’s in the works 😏
At 34:18, isn’t that Charlie Mike NS? All I see is one hit on the brown. I don’t think you score any hits on white paper only, regardless of what stands behind it.
Negative. It was cutting the perf of the no shoot so the hit is scored as an alpha no shoot because it’s touch both the alpha and the NS. The cardboard outside of the perf doesn’t exist. Good question tho!
@@GatewayDefense Thank you for clarifying! Couldn’t see the perf line in that section of the video. I was looking up the USPSA scoring rules about the perf line and how it’s scored based on the adjacent sections. Very interesting (and complicated)!
As both a new shooter and a left handed shooter it is awesome to see some really amazing runs by a southpaw.
Real good videos I'm gonna try this out for sure !
I agree with others, great video! For newbies, the only other place you can handle your gun is at a safe area/table and with no ammo present. I almost got DQ'd for loading mags there. 😬
That is extremely lenient. At most IPSC matches from level 2 and up, they'd dq you for even shortly handling a loaded magazine in a safety zone. No discussion, bye!
Great stuff men! I would have loved to have this when I started my shooting journey. There were resources but not this in depth. Thanks guys!
Great video and very informative! Gonna copy and paste this to everyone who crosses my path considering shooting comp 💪🏽💪🏽
very cool video. Thanks for the information. I'm planning to shoot my first USPSA this summer. What Oakley glass are you using?
Brennan uses Flak 2.0, and I (Justin) use M frames
Great video. Any chance we’ll get a video of how you run dry practice not at the range. Some home training techniques.
Yes sir. Dry fire video is high on the list
Awesome information for me. I plan to take this on after doing some PRS centerfire and rimfire.
This is a GREAT video! Very informative and professional!
This was soo helpful. Great video and really good shooting.
Excellent video. PRS competitor here interested in trying some pistol stuff and this is the single most informative video I've found on this game.
Excellent video that will be so helpful to many.
I did not know you could "cut across" from one part of the shooting area to another.
I'm also wondering what the point of the boundaries are if you can cut through. Are there certain rules related to that?
I wasn't expecting that either.
AFAIK you can cut across in USPSA as long as you are not *shooting* from outside the fault lines. In IPSC it's more restrictive, you can only jump over corners but not step outside.
Justin should speak on doing this lifted handed. I know it’s not like rare but it’s different. He has to drop his mag just as quick as Brennan but I noticed his mag release is still on the left. What’s his choice of manipulation with that? Etc. great video‼️‼️🤞🏽
Justin’s mag release is on the right side of his gun
@@GatewayDefense I noticed, did he manipulate his grip using his middle finger or index? It was very quick, looked like his middle.
@@LoneCowboyTraining I use my thumb just like normal 👍
sick intro!
Love this. So much info
So who makes the jello shots ? Wanting to try them
Great video guys! The only other suggestion I'd have is for people to have their visualization done before they get to the line.
Definitely. One thing I (Justin) had mentioned on my first run was that the make ready should not be the first time you visualize, but the final time you visualize.
I know you shoot carry optics. I’m about to have my first match in that same division. I’m running a Glock 17 and want extended base plate but I don’t know which ones are legal?
Dang, where are you guys running these? It looks so warm!
It was a little while ago up in WI! We can have some nice fall days up here
This 40min video went by quick. Thanks for putting this video together.
@@gawtdang thank you for watching!
I'd like a clearer picture of how to run sideways and backwards. Where is the pistol pointed on the angle backward run?
Muzzle always pointed Downrange
For anything more than one or two steps, your left/weak hand lets go of the pistol (as a right-handed shooter) because you'll run much faster. For running backwards to the right, place the pistol over your left shoulder pointing downrange. Be careful not to flag your shoulder, this needs to be practiced. For running backwards to the left, point your pistol towards the backstop with your arm extended, pistol upside-down (it's the easiest position for your arm to be in).
If you are running straight back 180° from the backstop you can do either or, depending on where you want to turn next, left or right.
Very informative before a matter 👍🏻
An amazing video. Well done fellas!
Thanks for watching!
I just don't get the points divided by time. so, your saying 29 points (alpha Charlie total) divided by 20.17? because that's 1.44 isn't it?
Is Jell-O shots no longer a thing? I see the link is gone. Anyone in the comments got an opinion Jello Shots vs Hop munitions?
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Very informative video for new shooters like me! Currently on ASI matches to hone my skills and eventually will lead to USPSA.
I'm sure he didn't mean it literally, but don't take a "few minutes" after the make ready command lol. Great video.
You absolutely can. It’s in the rule book. Important to take time to check your dot, load properly and carefully, visualize everything one last time, etc.
@@GatewayDefenseSure you can, but you aren't going to win any popularity contests lol. "A few minutes" is frankly ridiculous, but you do you. If everyone at Nationals took "a few minutes" to Make Ready on every stage we would have been shooting in the dark every day.
Is it normal for jello shots to be out of stock regularly? I can't find any in stock anywhere I look.
What pistols were you both using? The links were helpful for gear used, much appreciated.
We both run the M&P 2.0 5” models!
What about that 7th shot Justin took on the last set of targets? Does it not matter if you shoot paper 3 times?
@@atyson6530 it does not matter if a stage is “Comstock”. You can shoot any target as many times as you want, you will just be scored best 2 hits
Yes, it's the same in IPSC, you can shoot any target as many times as you want and your best two hits get scored. But because your score is divided by time, it doesn't usually benefit you unless you miss or hit a no-shoot (with no hit to the target). With Charlies, even the best shooters can't usually shoot fast enough to make up the points. If you're really fast you can better your score when you see a delta and hit it with a third shot that's an alpha.
As a beginner, don't even bother re-shooting unless you completely missed. The difference is, a charlie is two points less than alpha, a delta is four points less than alpha, a miss is zero minus ten points. So with a miss, definitely shoot again!
Awesome. Thanks for all that info
How would someone in California do this? Just more reloads? Lol. What if some people have legally acquired standard capacity magazines? I’ve never done this and really want to get into this.
Are they using an app to tally their scores and calculate HF? I've always done it by hand, is there a particular app someone would recommend using to make things faster?
Yes, it’s a great free app called Simple Scoring IPSC. Highly recommend
@@GatewayDefense Thank you. I'm excited to get into the sport, excellent video to get people started, well done
When you’re “finished” and clear your gun at the end of the stage, do you pick up your live round you eject on the ground then?
Yes you can, but only if you know exactly where it is. Be careful not picking up a round that looks like your caliber but really isn’t (like 9mm major, etc)
He didnt pick them up that really bothered me lol i pick up a roundbcs were im from ammo is very expensive
Be careful to not pick it up until the RO says "range is clear". Because if you pick it up before, you might be dq'ed or at least given a serious warning. Also don't try and catch your rounds. It looks super cool but you're running the risk or flagging your hand with your barrel and get dq'ed.
@@TacticalOperator07 You're shooting like 200 rounds in a match. The entry fee for the match was like 60-120 Euros. The cost of gas to get to the match was like 50 Euros. One 9x19 round is like 23 Cents (Euro). That one single round at the end of each stage is really low priority. I'll pick it up when I see it, sure, because I'm Swabian (that's like Scottish but in German). But I'll not risk a DQ and I won't waste any time on it.
...that's my European IPSC perspective, but I guess it's totally similar with USPSA in the States
What can you get paid for this or is ammo paid for with anything ?
Not any money in the sport other than if you make it to the very top and have sponsors paying you full time.
LOL. Most shooters pay out of their nose to be any good at this. Even if you're very good and have a sponsor, they will probably not cover all of your costs unless you're like Rob Vogel or Eric Grauffel. And even those guys make their money from being trainers and stuff like that.
You have to love the sport and sink a lot of money into it essentially, because you're not gonna be Vogel or Grauffel.
what are the mag holders?
Brennan is running Hammer Armament and Justin is running Trex
From my experience with IPSC so far (it's really almost the same in USPSA): time is super important, so being faster and more sloppy will initially give you better results, but you'll be stuck at some point. Better work out the basics and try to become faster slowly with good hits. Avoid unnecessary movements. Get at least one training session with a professional trainer or very high-level shooter who can tell you what you're doing egregiously wrong.
Don't let your ego get in the way. Even if you've been shooting for decades, a trainer can tell you stuff that you don't even realize. Even the very best world-class shooters rely on trainers to watch them shoot and analyze their movements.
Nice 👍 👍
scoring?
What do you mean?
@@GatewayDefensevalues of Alpha, Charlie, Delta and NS in scoring
@@majinninetails4293
Minor Scoring
A - 5 points
C - 3 points
D - 1 point
M - -10 points
NS - -10 points
This is the first time I've looked at this in depth. What surprised me most was how small the penalty of no hits turned out to be.
A miss ends up costing you 15 points. You lose the 5 points you could have scored by shooting an alpha, and you incur a penalty of -10pts. If you are referring to a no-shoot white target, and you didn’t break the perf to where its scoring both as a hit as well as a no-shoot penalty, you end up with a miss (Mike) AND a no shoot (-10) for a total of -25 points, which is the equivalent of 2 paper targets and a steel target!
@@GatewayDefense I wrote that wrong. I meant hitting the no shoot like in your second example.
@@GatewayDefense I'm not sure if those hits breaking the perf of the no-shoot will count as an alpha and a no-shoot in IPSC. I was under the impression that these will only count as a no-shoot in IPSC. That would make a big difference, because a -10 no-shoot without plus points is really bad for your hit factor.
Given your handed, both of you chose the wrong side to start from on the stage. I could see a novice shooter choosing to start from the slower side. Most shooters should have no problem loading without breaking the 180.
I got grandmaster after my first uspsa match. 2 EZ
Thats clearly impossible😂
@@TacticalOperator07 Anybody who's ever been to IPSC or USPSA matches will clearly see how this is impossible. You might think you are a good shooter, but just go to one of the bigger matches and be earth-shatteringly humbled. 😂
Very informative video and I learned a lot. Im new to the game and I this video really helped. Thank you guys!
What jeans are those ?
Did you ever figure this out? As far as I can tell they don't appear to be 5.11, Vertx, or LAPG.