I think you might see a renewed interest in AA systems with guns instead of missiles for drones specifically. The more drones that are being used the more effective gun AA systems will be and, as you stated, they are cheaper than missiles.
Why is it the Gepard and Leopard 2 which look as they were designed for a videogame or a movie? They both look so stylish, and almost scream "i'am cool" (especially the Gepard screams (80s FUCK YEAH). Sorry all others but those two are the coolest out there. :D
@@tottorookokkoroo5318 I didnt... like at all to be honest. Holywoodmovies show russian and US tanks, not Germans. And I have to agree, they do look cool :-D
Imo German and some Russian military vehicles look like that. They’re sleek, edgy and just a beauty to look at. The Fun fact: the US M1 Abrams tank was created with help from Germany, which is why it resembles the German Leopard tank.
tests have shown it needs only 5-6 rounds to hit a drone and it doesn't even have airburst ammunition, it really needs to directly hit the target. That's quite impressive to me!
Sent to Ukraine earlier they were ready 2 days ago when a massive missile/drone attack on Kyiv was 100% defeated.The Russians sent 3 recon drones to assess damage. The Gepards shot down all 3 recon drones. They seem to work just fine today.
@@felicious6384 well it was not due to the shift in security concerns. in the from 2001 to 2015 we were primarily fighting Taliban etc. And those dont have that many attack helicopters and low flying strike craft. That there was no proper replacement is still a big mistake
Germany cut its defense spending to 1.2% of GDP as a result of the Eurozone Crisis caused by bad government debt in Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain. This was to prevent a recession. It was also to help fund EU integration of Eastern Europe including and ingratefull Poland and Hungary. Something had to be cancelled and the Geppard was it. The Wisel based Ocelot was in no way ready as a replacement nor is a SkyNEX system for Boxer. German defense spending had climbed back to 1.4% by the time Putin invaded Ukraine and was set to achieve the 2% NATO minimum by 2025. The damage had been done and the core ripped out of the German military so it will take years at 2.5% to recover capability and in likelyhood 3% during the Russian war of aggression. -A modern Geppard would use a Leppard 2 Chasis, have APS hard kill and use the new 1100 rpm oerlikons firing programmable air burst ammunition, have radar optimized for swarming drones and be integrated with a second vehicle carrying LK NG missiles (mini IRIS-T) since the 5km range possible with the 35mm gun is inadequacy to deal with the 10km range of modern AT missile. It looks like the chassis will be Boxer not Leopard 2.
I am a strong believer in cannon AA systems on front line units to complement SAMs. Our Army has an special AA version of our CV90s on Battalion level and SAMs on brigade level. To answer the question yes I believe the German Gepard is very effective against drones.
agree, we haver to build up all units again. Europe thought that it will only take part in peacekeeping missions - but sadly no, - wars are still normal and for that you need all Inf, AA, AT, Tanks the whole shit - and much more important AMMO - Europe couldnt fight for 4 day bcause we simply would run out of ammo for the 4 tanks we have
And biggest fun fact - imagine you go to War but all your ammo factories are in neutral switzerland :D i hope you got that joke :D - biggest bullshit ever - who comes up with the idea to build the ammo for the gepard in a country that stops all deliveries when its war - WTF
Another benefit, if you have ever watched The Chieftain, is if you need some heavy rapid fire against ground troops this could, as The Chieftain said, cause "a significant emotional event" for ground troops.
I remember been on an FAC exercise in central Germany about 93 had couple Gepards firing at a couple of A-10s at one point the firing and counter firing pretty close was amazing to hear.
An overpaid dumbass without any qualification to talk about this, he probably just thought "big machine gun mean many shooting", without realizing that it is not meant to fire constantly, its cadence is just so high because the calculated window to hit a fast aircraft is so tiny you want to maximize the amount of projectiles going at it. But if it were to fire constantly it would quickly run out of ammunition
One of the best things sent to Ukraine in terms of value, I think. These things are so cool. They have the quality of a superb mid-field defender in whichever sport you wish to name.
That's exactly the point. Every other even outdated AA system fires missiles that will cost at least 5 times as much as the Iranian drones that have been destroying half of Ukraine's civilian infrastructure, i.e. power plants, power substations, waterworks, etc. - And not only has Russia bought at least 2,000 Iranian suicide drones, it has also announced (and due to their simple design probably already begun) to produce their own modified clones. With carries an enormous risk - if Ukraine keeps using missiles to shoot down the Iranian Shahed drones, it will not only likely bankrupt itself, it will also run out of missiles for these hightech systems (NASAMS, Iris-T SLM, Patriot, etc.) to the point where it's stocks will be depleted an the Russian airforce will be able to waltz in without Ukraine able to mount any resistance. This particular circumstance makes the Gepard the only auto-cannon based system that can reliably detect, track, lock-on and shoot down those drones with as little as 6 rounds. Assuming $1,000 per round (due to a Swiss re-export embargo, Rheinmetall is currently building a dedicated production line for new Gepard ammunition, solely to supply a grand total of 36 Gepards in Ukraine), that's 1/3 of the price of the drone, and more importantly doesn't deplete any of the expensive, high-tech air defense systems that have recently been givent to Ukraine, so these can concentrate on ballistic missiles and most importantly, keeping the air-space over Ukraine "contested", preventing the massive Russian air force from gaining air supremacy. If Russia ruled the skies over Ukraine, it would be pretty much game over. Ukraine would likely start to loose HIMARS units, even with the strictest security measures, and any movement of larger formations of troops and armour in preparation of an offensive would attrackt dozens of fighter-bombers that would make short work of troops, artillery and armoured vehicles. Same with the ~100 Leopard II and Abrams M1A2 that have been promised recently after much deliberation - with hundreds of Russian jets prowling the airspace, they'd likely never reach the front lines. A useful addition to Gepards have been the 20 "Fletcher" APKWS launchers mounted on light trucks provided recently by Germany. The US has been announcing for a while that they're working on the so-called "VAMPIRE" system, which will combine APKWS - which is basically the unguided, 70mm rockets many helicopters fire from the characteristic round pod on the side, but equipped with a basic laser-guidance system, allowing the precision targetting of ground and low-flying air targets within a distance of 3-4km - with the VAMPIRE's pole-mounted "sensor-ball" that can be installed with the 4-round MLRS on any kind of pickup truck or similar vehicle. The description as a "sensor-ball" doesn't suggest that this will include the kind of 15km range radar of the Gepard, moreover, the crews trained in Germany on the bare-bones APKWS already claimed success-rates of 100%, though they're limited in that they need information from another source where to await the drone and roughly from which direction, since the common Shahed-136 cruises at 180 km/h, traversing the range of an APKWS within 180 seconds in ideal conditions, and significantly less if the interception point isn't on wide flat field without buildings or natural obstacles or if the truck with APKWS has received less precise location data and might be waiting for the drone a kilometre away from it's flight-path. The US has announced the delivery of a grand total of 14 such systems in several batches. Germany recently sent 20 "Fletcher" systems, which include only the APKWS mounted on a small, light and agile truck after having trained Ukrainian crews in it's use against drones. It stands to reason that since these systems are far from expensive, the sensible thing to do would be to provide at least 70 such systems to place at the outer limit of the Gepards 15km detection radius, providing the fast vehicles with precise location data (from which a sufficiently precise flight-path can be extrapolated even if the drone leaves the radar's field of vision) in order to improve the efficiency of the Gepard by shooting down those drones that it can detect and lock on to, but which due to their flight path the Gepard with it's 60 km/h max speed might not be able to get in range to shoot down with it's auto-cannons, which only have a range of 3-4km.
Holy moly, future videos need to be structured. How many times did you repeat things in this? Number of countries that use it? repeated like three times, at beginning, mid and end.
7:20 the (former) Dutch version of the Gepard is called Cheetah PRTL and isn’t shown in this video: the Cheetah has got a straight looking big ‘T’ as a search radar on top of the system. The rest of the system looks the same.
Until a few weeks ago, every system with an Oerlikon auto-cannon (which is almost every signle one in the West) was blocked by the Swiss re-export refusal. Rheinmetall, in their desperation started building an entire new production line for Gepard ammunition - the whole thing just to produce new shells for the 36 Gepards in Ukraine - which alone should tell you all you need to know about their singular effectiveness in fighting Iranian suicide drones. Now they've decided that they actually can export weapons to a warzone as a neutral country. Say what you will about Germans being slow and prone to overthinking things, but the Swiss have taken scholzing to a whole new level.
@@hisredrighthand5212 No the Swiss just take Neutrality literal and by judicial definition. Our own hated politicians Habeck and Bärbock said that were at war with Russia. Supplying a active combatant with all kinds of weaponry to kill their enemies citizens and economic warfare aka sanctions aimed at destablizing their combatant nation is NOT neutrality. Not even in the slightest. Its just a classic proxy war. Nobody here wants a War with Russia so our government pretends that we are neutral while actively supporting the war against russia
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Germany doesn't claim to be neutral. International law doesn't prevent you to do business or have other exchanges with a country because it is at war. That doesn't make you part of the conflict. The USA were never neutral, yet they provided the UK with weapons for over a year before they entered WW2 after Pearl Harbour. Also, can you provide me with a source of German weapons killing a single Russian civilian?
Back then when the German military had their priorities sorted out. The cats of today meet workplace regulations for pregnant women, but are unfit to fight a war.
Theoretically yes. In Reality you would not supress the infantry in the building though, but more pulverize them. Especially considering the new AHEAD munitions.
Germany does not have a single gepard left in active service tho, it was usurped by the mantis-system.... Gepards are so fcuking cool, why did we put them into storage instead of the field with our mbt's?
@@MRNDESO-ps7bz Ofcourse. Mantis is in every way better. Now they just need to put the mobile mantis (oerlikon sky ranger) into service and we have the perfect replacement
@@MRNDESO-ps7bz Mantis / Skynex is a stationary System for Airfields and such. It can combine different Tracking Sensors like Radar, Optical Systems and different Gun/Missile Systems. Skyranger has the same Canon, but is mobile on a GTK Boxer Chassis.
See this vehicles effectiveness proves to me that if the Germans got their hands on one of those Russian Terminator tanks they could turn into something actually functional. I can’t imagine it would take very much modifications to turn a Gepard into something similar.
@@rolandxor179 The only active set of Terminators got blown up by the Ukrainians because of couple reasons. First the Russians couldn’t figure out how to use them properly in combined arms warfare. Second their ability to sense and react to enemy infantry was too limited and slow due to inferior Russian electronic sensors and motors in the turret, plus the cannons kept jamming cause they couldn’t figure out how to make the dual feed system for the ammo work proper. And finally speaking of the turret, the armor on the damn turret turned out to be too thin. Ukrainian infantry was able to counter them simply by shooting at the Terminator’s weapons with small arms.
@@rolandxor179 Yeah that was all from Pro-Russian trolls saying how it was going to make the Ukrainians into Swiss cheese but that was before people learned all that firepower was thinly armored and could be prematurely detonated by a machine gun’s bullets.
@@LordOmnissiah the funny thing is that the Russian terminator was created for their armoured doctrine, but the role that they created it for, to protect MBT from infantry attacks, in NATO doctrine its taken by the infantry and yes the Russians created it but have no idea how to use it, the gepard can take a anti infantry role whit zero to very small changes.
I'm thoroughly convinced these videos are pasted together information from a handful websites and then red out by some computer program Or even completely made by some lower class ai
@@wrt142 The owner of this channel is an Indonesian real estate agent named AIDIA ANDORA MJ. He owns other TH-cam channels and works with others to game the algorithm.
Geppard and the dutch PRTL are basicly CIWS the dutch version is quite simular the radar and fire control of the Goalkeeper ciws . and has been updated since the 1970s .
Only a army that is stupid or feeling in deep peace-time, sends a weapon-system out of order, while the new one is not ready yet. Even IF the new one is ready, the Gepard is a very effectiv "second class" weapon.
sorry but wayback in the 1990s this weapon system was allready obsolete and unjustified expensive. the main purpose - to protect the MBTs against soviet choppers (and not supersonic aircrafts) - are covered by cheap handheld weapons and advanced IFWs (eg Puma). since 2010 the german army follows the modular threat assessment for airdefence aka Skynex - autocannons, missles and energie weapons.
@@m.h.b.3828 WHO decides what is obsolete? Look into the stocks of the US-Army or the Israel Army. There is lots of stuff, u maybe, cannot use in the first line against the most modern enemy units, BUT this 2nd class stuff is useable for 2nd class tasks.
@@mauertal Even stuff in stock needs maintenance to not rot away and that is expensive. If you look at the budget for the US you see why the US can afford huge stockpiles of old stuff...
If Germany were to make the Gepard now with Leopard 2 hull they need to market it against it's Russian equivalent Pantsir S1 which is mounted on a lorry instead of a tank.
The Successor will be the Rheinmetall Skyranger 35 or 30 System though. Suddenly FLAK is back. Way more effective against small and slow cheap Drones than expensive Missile Systems.
@@derauditor5748 The new gun system is called SkyNEX. These 35km gun based systems are limited to 3.5 km range. Since modern helicopter launched ATGM have over 10km range they will need a missile defense. This is supposed to be the LFK NG a sort of mini 28kg IRIS-T vertically launched from Ocelot/Wiesel vehicles. Bundeswehr is separating radar and missiles and crew as having all in one. The 30,35mm guns are a bit short range and the 50 or 57mm gun makes more sense and can fire guided munitions like MAD FIRES.
I suspected 20years ago with drones advancing and minimisation as technology advances that the gepard would make a come back in future wars air defence. ….but hey I don’t read tea leaves or advise no one.
The Gepard isn't the only SPAAG , so I wonder why no one ever talks about the others ? There's the polish PZA loara, Stryker shorad, skyranger 35, Japanese type 87 and the Korean K30 Biho as examples. There are probably loads more modern ones that could be used as Gepard replacements since they're no longer produced.
@@tyrson2445 Yes my original point was why isn't anyone considering other systems for Ukriane. Maybe they're not as effective. Battle experience is the ultimate measure of their effectiveness. Ukriane has been praising the effectiveness of IRIS-T, as a result the manufacturer Dehl has won multiple contracts from NATO allies. SPAAG manufacturers should be promoting their products with the hope that they'll be sent to Ukraine.
@@miikapekk5155 I fear most states are in fear they will have bad relations to russia after helping them. As the new German defence Minister said after his first Ramstein meeting. Not everyone seems to have chosen one side. I am honestly positive surprised about Italy after their election (former anti europe...) I feared just northern half of europe is helping Ukraine. About Japan.. .they have to change some laws because of WW2, to send something and i believe they fear, that they need those systems themself if not showing weak to North Korea, China and Russia (Russia stationed some troops to contested islands north of Japan few months ago to control trade routes from China sea to Pazific.
Jepperd? I absolutely cannot stand the fact that the narrators in these non USA armor videos just butcher the proper annunciation of German armored vehicles, they don't even try to get it right and it is pathetically commonplace.......and yes, it's effective against drones, do you think the Germans are not going to take drones into consideration? The Germans have been building the best armored vehicles since 1935, I am a ex 19K tanker on the M1A1 Abrams and i would take a brokedick Panther over a T-34 any day.....and anybody that thinks the Leopard 2A7 isn't the best MBT in the world today is just wrong.
@@rodgerbane3825 "Got to have a tank gun to be a tank" NO! Kid you already have been told do NOT comment if you dont know what you are even talking about! Get back to school and learn to listen.
as an anti-aircraft weapon system the Puma IFV is a better vehicle for the job at hand compared to the Leopard 1 . . . in modern day warfare self propelled anti-aircraft guns like the Gerard could seriously do with surface-to-air engagement capabilities with guided surface-to-air missiles . . . a naval CIWS type anti-aircraft defense system across the entire spectrum of surface-to-air warfare is exactly what's needed . . . for e.g. two 25 MM GAU-12/U six-barrel rotary cannon & one 12.8 MM HMG powered by a 360° deg rotating remote weapons station . . . and add to that a Crotale NG inertial homing air-to-surface missile (2-in-1 canister type boxed launcher) . . .
Didn't the Puma's spontaneously combust or something crazy ?Bundeswehr withdrew them and sent Marder instead. I wonder if they could not do something with those remote weapon stations..put in a 20mm recoiless cannon and some sort of small lightweight radar system. Give them anti-air capability.
@@rolandxor179 The Puma was designed to be transportable in an A400 and deplorable for peach keeping missions. A fairly useless compromise means that the vehicle is so small soldiers over 1.8m are not allowed into the vehicle. It's 30mm gun lacks the range to engage drones at long distance and the basic Puma lacks the radar. No doubt it could be converted into an anti air vehicle. It's probably best for the Bundewehr to fix the Puma it already has and then to shitcan the Puma and switch to the Lynx upgraded with some Puma networking technology, nano ceramic Armour and the US bushmaster 50mm canon. The German peace keeping mission in Mali is a shambles because German peacnicks won't allow the drones that protect German soliders to be armed meaning they nor the Puma can venture out of their compounds.
Looking at Ukrainian energy infrastructure effectively levelled....one would have to say no. And its probably worse now that the Swiss government refuses to sell them the 35mm ammunition for it.
There is more infrastructure to be protected than Gepards available. This says nothing about its effectiveness. It just tells us you have no real concept of military operations.
Not necessarily. ISIS was able to destroy Iraqi Abrams in Iraq and Turkish Leopards in Syria forcing two seperate retreats during those battles. It doesn’t matter what weapons Ukrain gets if they can’t out match or outgun their opponent.
The Abram tanks operated by every country in the world but for the USA does not have depleted uranium armor because it's top secret. There is not a surplus of export models available in the USA. If Ukraine gets Abrams they will be purchased back from a 3rd party user and then provided to Ukraine.
just becuae it sits on a lepord chasis does not make it superior the radar tech is what does the work 15 kliks isnt out standing if this is the best i would look for better
Well... We have some catapults scattered around the country too, you're going to have to chisel the stones yourself though as we haven't used them in a while..
Not true. We sent 50k 35mm rounds with it and ordered a view hundret k from swiss. But the swiss won't deliver ammunition to war countries.. thats not our fault.
@@MachineFight you're joking right? Do you even know how much ammunition this stuff consumes? One gepard can burn through those 50k rounds in under an hour.
It's the other way round. The search radar is mounted at the back of the turret. The tracking radar is mounted at the front of the turret.
how dare u argue with military TV
@@housemana: In my army days I've been gunner on a Gepard. Trust me, I know which is which :)
@@mentar1048 You are completely right.
@@housemana Hope that was a joke, because Mentar is right with his comment, military tv is wrong.
Within its envelope of effectiveness, guns are a much cheaper way to destroy cheap drones than expensive anti-air missiles.
I think you might see a renewed interest in AA systems with guns instead of missiles for drones specifically. The more drones that are being used the more effective gun AA systems will be and, as you stated, they are cheaper than missiles.
Yes bro but we already have them...we just put them to use
Why is it the Gepard and Leopard 2 which look as they were designed for a videogame or a movie? They both look so stylish, and almost scream "i'am cool" (especially the Gepard screams (80s FUCK YEAH). Sorry all others but those two are the coolest out there. :D
You have probably just seen them in movies/video games often
@@tottorookokkoroo5318 I didnt... like at all to be honest. Holywoodmovies show russian and US tanks, not Germans.
And I have to agree, they do look cool :-D
They are German armored vehicles, of course they are cool, they have some experience in this.
@@jakemocci3953 How does that go along with the saying that germans have no taste then? :D
Imo German and some Russian military vehicles look like that. They’re sleek, edgy and just a beauty to look at. The Fun fact: the US M1 Abrams tank was created with help from Germany, which is why it resembles the German Leopard tank.
tests have shown it needs only 5-6 rounds to hit a drone and it doesn't even have airburst ammunition, it really needs to directly hit the target. That's quite impressive to me!
For a while they became not so useful - no low flying planes.
But now they are perfect drone hunters - programmable ammo
You could put some an AA-Missles. Voila, great tool
And yes, about 99% of this is info gathered from War Thunder
Yo, it wouldn't surprise me. This channel does get things wrong.
Sent to Ukraine earlier they were ready 2 days ago when a massive missile/drone attack on Kyiv was 100% defeated.The Russians sent 3 recon drones to assess damage. The Gepards shot down all 3 recon drones. They seem to work just fine today.
The Gepard was always considered a highly effective system. It was replaced because it was way too expensive in peace times.
The bad thing is, that it wasn't replaced in Germany. It was simply put out of service, but no new system was put in his place.
@@felicious6384 well it was not due to the shift in security concerns.
in the from 2001 to 2015 we were primarily fighting Taliban etc.
And those dont have that many attack helicopters and low flying strike craft.
That there was no proper replacement is still a big mistake
It was phased out because our military planners are idiots.
Germany cut its defense spending to 1.2% of GDP as a result of the Eurozone Crisis caused by bad government debt in Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain. This was to prevent a recession. It was also to help fund EU integration of Eastern Europe including and ingratefull Poland and Hungary. Something had to be cancelled and the Geppard was it. The Wisel based Ocelot was in no way ready as a replacement nor is a SkyNEX system for Boxer.
German defense spending had climbed back to 1.4% by the time Putin invaded Ukraine and was set to achieve the 2% NATO minimum by 2025. The damage had been done and the core ripped out of the German military so it will take years at 2.5% to recover capability and in likelyhood 3% during the Russian war of aggression.
-A modern Geppard would use a Leppard 2 Chasis, have APS hard kill and use the new 1100 rpm oerlikons firing programmable air burst ammunition, have radar optimized for swarming drones and be integrated with a second vehicle carrying LK NG missiles (mini IRIS-T) since the 5km range possible with the 35mm gun is inadequacy to deal with the 10km range of modern AT missile. It looks like the chassis will be Boxer not Leopard 2.
@@felicious6384 1 mantis System. Ehich is enough for 1 town lmao
In Times where drones a real threat Gepard is the right answer to that an cheap vs Missle systems
I am a strong believer in cannon AA systems on front line units to complement SAMs. Our Army has an special AA version of our CV90s on Battalion level and SAMs on brigade level. To answer the question yes I believe the German Gepard is very effective against drones.
agree, we haver to build up all units again. Europe thought that it will only take part in peacekeeping missions - but sadly no, - wars are still normal and for that you need all Inf, AA, AT, Tanks the whole shit - and much more important AMMO - Europe couldnt fight for 4 day bcause we simply would run out of ammo for the 4 tanks we have
And biggest fun fact - imagine you go to War but all your ammo factories are in neutral switzerland :D i hope you got that joke :D - biggest bullshit ever - who comes up with the idea to build the ammo for the gepard in a country that stops all deliveries when its war - WTF
Another benefit, if you have ever watched The Chieftain, is if you need some heavy rapid fire against ground troops this could, as The Chieftain said, cause "a significant emotional event" for ground troops.
I remember been on an FAC exercise in central Germany about 93 had couple Gepards firing at a couple of A-10s at one point the firing and counter firing pretty close was amazing to hear.
This one British Ukraine war journalist just keeps saying the Gepard blasts a 'stream of lead' into the air. No it is short accurate bursts.
An overpaid dumbass without any qualification to talk about this, he probably just thought "big machine gun mean many shooting", without realizing that it is not meant to fire constantly, its cadence is just so high because the calculated window to hit a fast aircraft is so tiny you want to maximize the amount of projectiles going at it. But if it were to fire constantly it would quickly run out of ammunition
Plus it simply looks really cool.
These video real footage are mainly from romanian army arsenal having 43 units in service today (36 in usage + 7 for spare parts).
I hear those spare parts of gone up in value recently.
One of the best things sent to Ukraine in terms of value, I think. These things are so cool. They have the quality of a superb mid-field defender in whichever sport you wish to name.
Of course this is the best weapon against drones. Missiles is way too expensive against those cheap drones.
That's exactly the point. Every other even outdated AA system fires missiles that will cost at least 5 times as much as the Iranian drones that have been destroying half of Ukraine's civilian infrastructure, i.e. power plants, power substations, waterworks, etc. - And not only has Russia bought at least 2,000 Iranian suicide drones, it has also announced (and due to their simple design probably already begun) to produce their own modified clones.
With carries an enormous risk - if Ukraine keeps using missiles to shoot down the Iranian Shahed drones, it will not only likely bankrupt itself, it will also run out of missiles for these hightech systems (NASAMS, Iris-T SLM, Patriot, etc.) to the point where it's stocks will be depleted an the Russian airforce will be able to waltz in without Ukraine able to mount any resistance. This particular circumstance makes the Gepard the only auto-cannon based system that can reliably detect, track, lock-on and shoot down those drones with as little as 6 rounds.
Assuming $1,000 per round (due to a Swiss re-export embargo, Rheinmetall is currently building a dedicated production line for new Gepard ammunition, solely to supply a grand total of 36 Gepards in Ukraine), that's 1/3 of the price of the drone, and more importantly doesn't deplete any of the expensive, high-tech air defense systems that have recently been givent to Ukraine, so these can concentrate on ballistic missiles and most importantly, keeping the air-space over Ukraine "contested", preventing the massive Russian air force from gaining air supremacy.
If Russia ruled the skies over Ukraine, it would be pretty much game over. Ukraine would likely start to loose HIMARS units, even with the strictest security measures, and any movement of larger formations of troops and armour in preparation of an offensive would attrackt dozens of fighter-bombers that would make short work of troops, artillery and armoured vehicles. Same with the ~100 Leopard II and Abrams M1A2 that have been promised recently after much deliberation - with hundreds of Russian jets prowling the airspace, they'd likely never reach the front lines.
A useful addition to Gepards have been the 20 "Fletcher" APKWS launchers mounted on light trucks provided recently by Germany. The US has been announcing for a while that they're working on the so-called "VAMPIRE" system, which will combine APKWS - which is basically the unguided, 70mm rockets many helicopters fire from the characteristic round pod on the side, but equipped with a basic laser-guidance system, allowing the precision targetting of ground and low-flying air targets within a distance of 3-4km - with the VAMPIRE's pole-mounted "sensor-ball" that can be installed with the 4-round MLRS on any kind of pickup truck or similar vehicle.
The description as a "sensor-ball" doesn't suggest that this will include the kind of 15km range radar of the Gepard, moreover, the crews trained in Germany on the bare-bones APKWS already claimed success-rates of 100%, though they're limited in that they need information from another source where to await the drone and roughly from which direction, since the common Shahed-136 cruises at 180 km/h, traversing the range of an APKWS within 180 seconds in ideal conditions, and significantly less if the interception point isn't on wide flat field without buildings or natural obstacles or if the truck with APKWS has received less precise location data and might be waiting for the drone a kilometre away from it's flight-path.
The US has announced the delivery of a grand total of 14 such systems in several batches. Germany recently sent 20 "Fletcher" systems, which include only the APKWS mounted on a small, light and agile truck after having trained Ukrainian crews in it's use against drones. It stands to reason that since these systems are far from expensive, the sensible thing to do would be to provide at least 70 such systems to place at the outer limit of the Gepards 15km detection radius, providing the fast vehicles with precise location data (from which a sufficiently precise flight-path can be extrapolated even if the drone leaves the radar's field of vision) in order to improve the efficiency of the Gepard by shooting down those drones that it can detect and lock on to, but which due to their flight path the Gepard with it's 60 km/h max speed might not be able to get in range to shoot down with it's auto-cannons, which only have a range of 3-4km.
German engeneering....💪
Japan operates a similiar system using the same guns.
Will deliver in 2022??? My guy it's 2023
I remember watch one og these at a BAEE/ SBAC show some years ago and was stunned at the recation times!!!
Standing next to one when firing gave me my tinnitus decades later ;-)
Holy moly, future videos need to be structured. How many times did you repeat things in this? Number of countries that use it? repeated like three times, at beginning, mid and end.
Using standard American telivision format, 1 hour show has usually 20 minutes of info
Still good for drones, helicopters, all IFV
7:20 the (former) Dutch version of the Gepard is called Cheetah PRTL and isn’t shown in this video: the Cheetah has got a straight looking big ‘T’ as a search radar on top of the system. The rest of the system looks the same.
Rheinmetal Skyranger 35 or 30 on GTK Boxer Chassis are modern Successors.
Until a few weeks ago, every system with an Oerlikon auto-cannon (which is almost every signle one in the West) was blocked by the Swiss re-export refusal. Rheinmetall, in their desperation started building an entire new production line for Gepard ammunition - the whole thing just to produce new shells for the 36 Gepards in Ukraine - which alone should tell you all you need to know about their singular effectiveness in fighting Iranian suicide drones. Now they've decided that they actually can export weapons to a warzone as a neutral country. Say what you will about Germans being slow and prone to overthinking things, but the Swiss have taken scholzing to a whole new level.
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No the Swiss just take Neutrality literal and by judicial definition. Our own hated politicians Habeck and Bärbock said that were at war with Russia. Supplying a active combatant with all kinds of weaponry to kill their enemies citizens and economic warfare aka sanctions aimed at destablizing their combatant nation is NOT neutrality. Not even in the slightest. Its just a classic proxy war.
Nobody here wants a War with Russia so our government pretends that we are neutral while actively supporting the war against russia
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Germany doesn't claim to be neutral. International law doesn't prevent you to do business or have other exchanges with a country because it is at war. That doesn't make you part of the conflict.
The USA were never neutral, yet they provided the UK with weapons for over a year before they entered WW2 after Pearl Harbour.
Also, can you provide me with a source of German weapons killing a single Russian civilian?
I want one but I don't know what I would do with it.
the "jeopard"😆 i guess, it brings jeopardy to the aircrafts.....
Back then when the German military had their priorities sorted out. The cats of today meet workplace regulations for pregnant women, but are unfit to fight a war.
We only allow female family ministers to become defense minister. :-(
You hit the nail right on the head and that's exactly what's wrong in the western world. This woke shit will kill us all one day.
this guy sounds more american than is actually necessary when wanting to sound like an american.
Cigar bouncing in his mouth when he talks 😭😭😭 lol 🤣
This feels like they had ChatGPT right the script
Can this vehicle be used as to suppress infantry inside buildings?
Theoretically yes. In Reality you would not supress the infantry in the building though, but more pulverize them. Especially considering the new AHEAD munitions.
@@hamhill7806 Exactly, firing on a normal building is like an A-10 run on a building. Same with normal cars, you would create basketball sized holes
Not in use in the Netherlands any longer. Phased out
Swedish design orelikon twin 30mm auto cannons also used on chieftain
That is not true. Germany retired all cheetahs in the German Bundeswehr.
7:11 saved your time
More cost-effective against drones?
Using a air defensiv rocket, cost about 100.000 $ or more, to distroy one drone.
Germany does not have a single gepard left in active service tho, it was usurped by the mantis-system.... Gepards are so fcuking cool, why did we put them into storage instead of the field with our mbt's?
Mantis better than gepard??
@@MRNDESO-ps7bz Ofcourse. Mantis is in every way better. Now they just need to put the mobile mantis (oerlikon sky ranger) into service and we have the perfect replacement
@@MRNDESO-ps7bz Mantis / Skynex is a stationary System for Airfields and such. It can combine different Tracking Sensors like Radar, Optical Systems and different Gun/Missile Systems. Skyranger has the same Canon, but is mobile on a GTK Boxer Chassis.
The Gepard is no longer in Use with the German Army. We took them out Years ago, sold some and pug some into Storage.
the classical Dscheppart :D
The German Army doesnt use the Gepard since 2012 ...
Wladimir Putin: "Bla bla bla military special operation bla bla bla..."
FlakPz Gepard: "Ratatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatata"
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But a Gepard costs 3 times as much as a normal Leopard tank. Damn expensive.
Can't wait to grab one when WWIII kicks off
You will not a be alive to do that as nukes will fly, such a silly comment.
@@Mulberry2000 naaaa I have a bunker.... What a silly comment lol
We need Gepard2 systems with new electronics and on Leo 2 base. Original Gepard is also good as cruise missile hunter.
A new one is developed already. IT can shoot down even Artillery shells.
its a hard g, like in 'get' or 'gun'; not a soft g like 'gif', or 'gin'
See this vehicles effectiveness proves to me that if the Germans got their hands on one of those Russian Terminator tanks they could turn into something actually functional. I can’t imagine it would take very much modifications to turn a Gepard into something similar.
I thought the Russians were very happy with their terminator tanks ? Did I miss something ?
@@rolandxor179 The only active set of Terminators got blown up by the Ukrainians because of couple reasons. First the Russians couldn’t figure out how to use them properly in combined arms warfare. Second their ability to sense and react to enemy infantry was too limited and slow due to inferior Russian electronic sensors and motors in the turret, plus the cannons kept jamming cause they couldn’t figure out how to make the dual feed system for the ammo work proper. And finally speaking of the turret, the armor on the damn turret turned out to be too thin. Ukrainian infantry was able to counter them simply by shooting at the Terminator’s weapons with small arms.
@@LordOmnissiah That sounds insane I swear I read comments of them being very happy with their Terminators bragging about all it's firepower.
@@rolandxor179 Yeah that was all from Pro-Russian trolls saying how it was going to make the Ukrainians into Swiss cheese but that was before people learned all that firepower was thinly armored and could be prematurely detonated by a machine gun’s bullets.
@@LordOmnissiah the funny thing is that the Russian terminator was created for their armoured doctrine, but the role that they created it for, to protect MBT from infantry attacks, in NATO doctrine its taken by the infantry and yes the Russians created it but have no idea how to use it, the gepard can take a anti infantry role whit zero to very small changes.
This is overkill to use against small drones.
True, but military drones can be much bigger, fly higher, and carry significant payloads.
Looks a little bit like ED-209 on wheels!
It WOULD be effective, IF there would be any AMMO!!! muhaha from Germany! Have seen this in Action.... Wow!
CV90 forever
He mispronounces "Gepard" and "sabot" but hey I'm sure he's a military expert
Can’t beat German engineering
Very!
Badly researched BS. Germany doesent use this for 10 yesrs now. If you dont even get that right, the rest is just as much unreliable
Creo que si es efectivo.
0:48 "Germany will deliver 30 of these anti aircraft systems to Ukraine in 2022" What are you talking about? 😭 lol this video was uploaded in 2023 🤣
This video is a mess.
Can't have conflicting information in your video.
I'm thoroughly convinced these videos are pasted together information from a handful websites and then red out by some computer program
Or even completely made by some lower class ai
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@@wrt142 The owner of this channel is an Indonesian real estate agent named AIDIA ANDORA MJ. He owns other TH-cam channels and works with others to game the algorithm.
@@PnPP was to be expected haha
Geppard and the dutch PRTL are basicly CIWS the dutch version is quite simular the radar and fire control of the Goalkeeper ciws . and has been updated since the 1970s .
Gebhard, Gerhard....Whatever.
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Only a army that is stupid or feeling in deep peace-time, sends a weapon-system out of order, while the new one is not ready yet. Even IF the new one is ready, the Gepard is a very effectiv "second class" weapon.
"stupid" is the correct term for our German government, correct.
sorry but wayback in the 1990s this weapon system was allready obsolete and unjustified expensive. the main purpose - to protect the MBTs against soviet choppers (and not supersonic aircrafts) - are covered by cheap handheld weapons and advanced IFWs (eg Puma). since 2010 the german army follows the modular threat assessment for airdefence aka Skynex - autocannons, missles and energie weapons.
@@m.h.b.3828 WHO decides what is obsolete? Look into the stocks of the US-Army or the Israel Army. There is lots of stuff, u maybe, cannot use in the first line against the most modern enemy units, BUT this 2nd class stuff is useable for 2nd class tasks.
@@mauertal Even stuff in stock needs maintenance to not rot away and that is expensive. If you look at the budget for the US you see why the US can afford huge stockpiles of old stuff...
"feeling in deep peace-time"
Well, that was the case when they were decomissioned.
If Germany were to make the Gepard now with Leopard 2 hull they need to market it against it's Russian equivalent Pantsir S1 which is mounted on a lorry instead of a tank.
The Successor will be the Rheinmetall Skyranger 35 or 30 System though. Suddenly FLAK is back. Way more effective against small and slow cheap Drones than expensive Missile Systems.
@@derauditor5748 The new gun system is called SkyNEX. These 35km gun based systems are limited to 3.5 km range. Since modern helicopter launched ATGM have over 10km range they will need a missile defense. This is supposed to be the LFK NG a sort of mini 28kg IRIS-T vertically launched from Ocelot/Wiesel vehicles.
Bundeswehr is separating radar and missiles and crew as having all in one.
The 30,35mm guns are a bit short range and the 50 or 57mm gun makes more sense and can fire guided munitions like MAD FIRES.
OoooooOO....I cringe every time I hear "Jep-ard."
Titel: "Is Gepard effective agains drones?"
Content: "bla build in... bla bla bla... this country bought one... bla bla bla...35mm ... bla bla bla."
I suspected 20years ago with drones advancing and minimisation as technology advances that the gepard would make a come back in future wars air defence.
….but hey I don’t read tea leaves or advise no one.
The Gepard isn't the only SPAAG , so I wonder why no one ever talks about the others ? There's the polish PZA loara, Stryker shorad, skyranger 35, Japanese type 87 and the Korean K30 Biho as examples. There are probably loads more modern ones that could be used as Gepard replacements since they're no longer produced.
germany pledged to deliver also the very new skynex system, based on the mantis gun
Skyranger is the New Kid on the Block though.
Perhaps because none of these are used in Ukraine or ever have seen real combad.
@@tyrson2445 Yes my original point was why isn't anyone considering other systems for Ukriane. Maybe they're not as effective. Battle experience is the ultimate measure of their effectiveness. Ukriane has been praising the effectiveness of IRIS-T, as a result the manufacturer Dehl has won multiple contracts from NATO allies. SPAAG manufacturers should be promoting their products with the hope that they'll be sent to Ukraine.
@@miikapekk5155 I fear most states are in fear they will have bad relations to russia after helping them. As the new German defence Minister said after his first Ramstein meeting. Not everyone seems to have chosen one side. I am honestly positive surprised about Italy after their election (former anti europe...) I feared just northern half of europe is helping Ukraine. About Japan.. .they have to change some laws because of WW2, to send something and i believe they fear, that they need those systems themself if not showing weak to North Korea, China and Russia (Russia stationed some troops to contested islands north of Japan few months ago to control trade routes from China sea to Pazific.
Jepperd? I absolutely cannot stand the fact that the narrators in these non USA armor videos just butcher the proper annunciation of German armored vehicles, they don't even try to get it right and it is pathetically commonplace.......and yes, it's effective against drones, do you think the Germans are not going to take drones into consideration? The Germans have been building the best armored vehicles since 1935, I am a ex 19K tanker on the M1A1 Abrams and i would take a brokedick Panther over a T-34 any day.....and anybody that thinks the Leopard 2A7 isn't the best MBT in the world today is just wrong.
its now 2023 and how many of the Ukrainian units are still operational??? waste of good steel.
Michael Jordan ? xD
The answer to the question is YES @7:10
What a waste of time
No
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It is not a tank, you need to tighten up your headline writing a bit.
It is literal an antiair tank!
it is a tank, dont comment if you dont know what you are talking about.
@@HedgehogZone Its an anti air vehicle, mounted on a tank chassis. Got to have a tank gun to be a tank and it dosen't have one.
It’s a Panzer
@@rodgerbane3825 "Got to have a tank gun to be a tank"
NO!
Kid you already have been told do NOT comment if you dont know what you are even talking about!
Get back to school and learn to listen.
Made in Germany is always the best.
FFS stop butchering that things name dude !!!
mf'er is calling the Gepard for Jepard.... that's so american of him
It can barely shoot down "flying lawnmowers" the Geran-2.
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as an anti-aircraft weapon system the Puma IFV is a better vehicle for the job at hand compared to the Leopard 1 . . . in modern day warfare self propelled anti-aircraft guns like the Gerard could seriously do with surface-to-air engagement capabilities with guided surface-to-air missiles . . . a naval CIWS type anti-aircraft defense system across the entire spectrum of surface-to-air warfare is exactly what's needed . . . for e.g. two 25 MM GAU-12/U six-barrel rotary cannon & one 12.8 MM HMG powered by a 360° deg rotating remote weapons station . . . and add to that a Crotale NG inertial homing air-to-surface missile (2-in-1 canister type boxed launcher) . . .
Didn't the Puma's spontaneously combust or something crazy ?Bundeswehr withdrew them and sent Marder instead.
I wonder if they could not do something with those remote weapon stations..put in a 20mm recoiless cannon and some sort of small lightweight radar system. Give them anti-air capability.
I’m completely lost with what ur trynna say
@@rolandxor179 The Puma was designed to be transportable in an A400 and deplorable for peach keeping missions. A fairly useless compromise means that the vehicle is so small soldiers over 1.8m are not allowed into the vehicle. It's 30mm gun lacks the range to engage drones at long distance and the basic Puma lacks the radar. No doubt it could be converted into an anti air vehicle. It's probably best for the Bundewehr to fix the Puma it already has and then to shitcan the Puma and switch to the Lynx upgraded with some Puma networking technology, nano ceramic Armour and the US bushmaster 50mm canon. The German peace keeping mission in Mali is a shambles because German peacnicks won't allow the drones that protect German soliders to be armed meaning they nor the Puma can venture out of their compounds.
Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 please
Bla bla bla - effective. Just believe.
Jepard? TF
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Newest weapon is microwave
Ami, it´s time to go!!!!!
Looking at Ukrainian energy infrastructure effectively levelled....one would have to say no. And its probably worse now that the Swiss government refuses to sell them the 35mm ammunition for it.
There is more infrastructure to be protected than Gepards available. This says nothing about its effectiveness. It just tells us you have no real concept of military operations.
\ Abrams/Leopard Tanks incoming! F-16s are next!
The Pootin war Criminals are truly done now!
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Not necessarily. ISIS was able to destroy Iraqi Abrams in Iraq and Turkish Leopards in Syria forcing two seperate retreats during those battles. It doesn’t matter what weapons Ukrain gets if they can’t out match or outgun their opponent.
The Abram tanks operated by every country in the world but for the USA does not have depleted uranium armor because it's top secret. There is not a surplus of export models available in the USA. If Ukraine gets Abrams they will be purchased back from a 3rd party user and then provided to Ukraine.
You mean the greatest war criminals are the Nato states, Yugoslavia Grenada Vietnam Afghanistan Irak Libia
And the mushrooms are coming to you.
just becuae it sits on a lepord chasis does not make it superior the radar tech is what does the work 15 kliks isnt out standing if this is the best i would look for better
it's from the 1960s. Rheinmetall Skyranger 35 is a more modern system.
It can receive radar data from other systems. Of course 15 kilometers far exceeds the range of the guns.
@@thegreatdane3627 The Gepard 1A2 is a modernized version (fire control system and radar are state of the art 2000s)
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Your claim is legit :V
@@Military-TV Great Job!
They are sending tanks without ammunition. Good job germany.
Because we dont have any. Like why should we, we dont use it anymore
@@leo.r9253 thanks for sending tanks!
Well... We have some catapults scattered around the country too, you're going to have to chisel the stones yourself though as we haven't used them in a while..
Not true. We sent 50k 35mm rounds with it and ordered a view hundret k from swiss. But the swiss won't deliver ammunition to war countries.. thats not our fault.
@@MachineFight you're joking right? Do you even know how much ammunition this stuff consumes? One gepard can burn through those 50k rounds in under an hour.
Gayiest tank ever since Sherman's death traps