Likely too late to matter, but due to the flames coming out of both the intake and exhaust. Looks like valves stuck open on both sides of the cyl head. You'll have to get into the valve train and free them, ie: get them to seal before that engine will run. Imo. BTW, love your stuff!
Hi Joe! Sorry I had to chuckle when I saw your damaged thumb. It reminded me of when I helped smash my brothers thumb while working on his Ford truck. That evening, over a phone call, I convinced him to drill a small hole in his thumb nail to relieve the pressure and pain. The next day he was in better spirits as he had taken my advice. He said the drilling method itself wasn’t too painful, but the center punch part hurt like hell. 😃 Btw, I watched your video at 5:00 am today before my first cup of coffee. Great way to start my day! 👍🏻👍🏻
B81's were prone to the Carb floats sticking open and filling the cylinders with petrol, causing a hydrostatic lock! Points have a fixed and moving set and the timing between the two needs to be set, we used to have a brass quadrant to set them. It did seem that two of the plugs were not sparking although two were! As previously suggested you might have a sticking valve or valves, but that should reduce compression and allowing the engine to turn a little quicker! A quick compression check should confirm this (dry and wet). Can't wait to see it burst into life!
When it goes, those B81 engines sound wonderful. I was driving a Racing Green Bentley Special in South Africa, fitted with one of these engines with twin carbs and open exhausts.
@@marknewell7355 Well it has a specially cast rocker box cover made to look like the OHC cambox cover on a W.O.Bentley with the Bentley logo on it. The original 4.25L engine in the Mk.6 Bentley, was also derived from an RR engine, the 20HP 'Baby" Rolls.
@@wilsonlaidlaw that is mint that mate I honestly didn't know. I knew vickers bought Bentley thought that was 70s they sold to vw I think not sure that's probably how the stolly got one
@@marknewell7355 The RR B series engines were designed to meet a War Ministry specification for a modular series of military engines that could be made in 4 cylinder B40 (Austin Champ) 6 cylinder B60/61(Humber Pig and Ferret scout car) and straight 8 B80/81 (Various Alvis 6 wheelers, Centurion ARV auxiliary power unit and others). They are not fun to work on and in typical RR fashion never fix things in place with one bolt when you could use 8.
god brings back memories lol ours was a none runner when she arrived not quite as bad as this when she finally fired up she let out a huge bang from the exhaust shattered several pains in the greenhouse next to it mother was not impressed.
I love me a Stalwart. I bought a Toy Stalwart when I was 10, I still have it to this day. Also, someone near my former home in Glendale Cal. parked one in a small parking lot and left the gate open. Well, being that I'm a military vehicle enthusiast myself, I just had to take a closer look. I was able to climb up and and enter the cab. It was really clean inside and out, so I resisted to push any buttons or flip any switches...
some good old firing going on there, just need it in the right places could use the old Morecombe & Wise sketch, 'it is firing, just not necessarily in all the right places' its a few years now since i played with a stolly, i do remember going out in one to refuel, we switched off at the fuel station, filled up (many GB £s later) and the pig refused to restart, she ran like a dream going there, seemed to have a vapour lock which i think only happens when hot i guess, eventually she started, but we left this odd black soot mark on the forecourt canopy - eh we did laugh i honestly didn't know they ran on coal
Reminds me of really old locomotive diesel engines or old aero radials trying to start when its really cold. The cylinders have a discussion on who should start firing first and then after more debate the rest of them decide who else joins in and in what order lol.
Great stuff, interesting insight to how some historic pieces get initial perseverance. Wouldn't be the same without Teddy. Have my reservation about orange wearing Jack, couldn't get beyond him wiping grease on Ted months back. No class. We all know what bright colors in nature represent, think Baboon's asses. Thanks Joe, for the down to earth work.
As I recall these beasts had a reputation for shooting flames out of the exhaust on start-up. If you had one right behind another that was starting, you needed to duck down from the Right Hand hatch PDQ or get singed (if you were lucky), or even a burnt face. A mistake you only make once!
@Landon-si5xc ? Trying to figure what this has to do with Stollys burning your face off. . . . . ? More like a Christian's view of Hell. But Hey, each to his own.
As it turns over, throwing flames, it sounds like it’s saying ‘lazy engine, lazy engine, lazy engine, lazy engine’, or is it just the stuff I’m smoking ?
Subbed. I wanna see that fire up. It is beautiful mate. When I was a kid in the 70's my dad was in the army I used to go to a training area (Lemgo, Germany) and watch these Stalwarts. The soldiers would show off and balance the Stally on the centre wheels when going over a small hill.
Well you're living the dream with this one most stollies were burned out at some point in their lives, this one just needs it's own fire crew or a 6bt 👍🤣😂🤣
showed this vid to my grandad, took him back 60 years down memory lane, please upload as much as you can on the stolly, I'm trying to get him to watch all of your videos 😉
The fact you got that much life out of that engine after so long being left says a lot about how tough these vehicles are . I don't imagine any modern vehicle left for so long would even come close to try to fire up . I love the shape of the Stolly , can't wait to see this fully restored back to its former glory . Cool video as always thank you .
@@gilleyb1900 You could almost say , the older combustion engines whilst less green , were much more easier to fix , and more robust . These days a bad chip in a sensor or ECU can ruin your day .
Great vid , was willing it to start ! Had a problem with a my mates Renault Fuego , would pop n bang but wouldn't start , after trying four about a hour the therewas so much fuel in the exhaust when it fired it blew the silencer apart !! After closer inspection the rotor arm was cracked, once replaced started up good , just needed another silencer 😂 thanks for sharing 👍💨💨
Being an old bugger I can remember the days when ignition switches weren't connected to steering locks and everything had a carburettor. A mate turned up late for work one day, looking rueful. He told me that driving along the M4 at speed he was curious to know what would happen if he switched it off for a few seconds. As he turned on the key again there was an almighty explosion and he left his exhaust system lying in the road. I told him yup, engine goes on sucking fuel which is not ignited, so it passes to the exhaust. He operated the afterburner.
Those decks made perfect channels for fuel from leaking Jerry cans to run down to the hot exhaust. An officer from my regiment was burnt in a Stalwart fire rescuing the driver. Both survived.
used to love these portable fuel supplies and the bedford TK artics whilst on guard duty, 5 gallon a week would get you to work from married quarters to vehicle park below buller barracks, MPG on all these old petrol burners were not as good as they shouldve been.... may thanks to 8 sqn with help to the running costs of my old mark 1 escort ( and no i wasnt 8 sqn i was shitty 7 )
How would that urban-myth Stollie have made it across the English Channel? - it would have needed a mid-channel refuelling. Not so much mpg as gallons per mile.
I hope the starter insulation hasn't melted but yeah, when it's that close to running (I nearly said fired up) I'd have pushed it too. Looks like some stuck valves. But get it running and who knows. It might help to have someone spray the petrol into the intake in a slightly more metered way rather than literally flooding it. 😀
I like the way he reacted "...ah, a fire..." followed by a calm delay while he readied the extinguisher. I still prefer dino juice to electric vehicles, with their built-in thermal runaway system.
Didnt Lee Hurst and the Salvage squad do one of the Stollys up 20 odd years ago? or has the Mandela effect fcuked me over again? Nice to see Ted has it all in hand as always.🙂 Lols love the mechanical "after burner"!
Jo what ever you do - DONT TRY TO BUMP START IT - There will be a Catastrophic Catastrophe through your whole Transmission ! For the same reasons, you cant tow a Truck with the 1/2 shafts engaged in the DiFF - DONT DO IT.
The fans appear to be seized. Taking the belts off might improve cranking speed. Trying to remember my days on Saracen, you would need a C spanner to adjust fanbelt tension.
Let me guess, need abit of Diesel down the bores give it a few days , fully charge up your batteries, tap the starter a few times ,then away you go 😮😮😮😁
I been rescuing so many military vehicles in Australia. I had few does the same way and did not want to start. The valve are stuck open and can cause that and stop it from getting it to fired it up and run. Had to take the head off to free few valves and put the head back on and it fired straight up.
Now you know why the had Graviner FireWire. It was not the appalling system people made it out to be. The trouble on the Stolly was it ran around the top of the engine bay and every squaddie stepped on it and broke it. Much ECE cursing but if you have several pallets of 105 etc sitting on top it is a useful thing to have. Control box next to master switch. I remember fitting the four way emergency flashers usually a German civilian unit that worked very well and the spot light had a mod about the same time. Batteries were lifted and lowered by hand. Where’s that Gunner gone now? Oh well bit of rope and do it yourself. How we kept the Russians at bay in the seventies!
You've got some really good ignition there, just gotta try and move it into the engine 🤣
External engines are coming back! :o)
Yep, just need to contain the small explosions within the cylinders😢
Timing out perhaps? Also maybe some Easy Start?
Unlikely timing out, rusty valve seats
lmfao
I'd like to congratulate the starter motor manufacturers
I was thinking the same
I would have stopped trying once the flames started, no way was she going to start.
@@davefrench3608 I think they are actually designed to be able to crank the vehicle if it won't run for recovery?
@@Ben-in6qh it certainly span the big lump over pretty well.
@@davefrench3608 well not with that attitude for sure!
As the pistons were stuck then I should image some valves are stuck too. It's great to see the beast coming back to life.
i think the same, maybe now some oil n fuel is there it may fix itself.
That Foden gets me every time. What a machine
I been on a number of these vehicles over the years and they looked and felt big…
And it just amazes me how small they are compared to the Forden
Nice to see the new arrival towing the foden.
Likely too late to matter, but due to the flames coming out of both the intake and exhaust. Looks like valves stuck open on both sides of the cyl head. You'll have to get into the valve train and free them, ie: get them to seal before that engine will run. Imo. BTW, love your stuff!
You need professional help Im afraid mate.@Landon-si5xc
To paraphrase the Chieftan -"Oh, bugger, the truck is on fire!"...
I have driven these, they are awesome. You have to drive them over bumpy ground occasionally to unwind the bevel boxes, or they go tight and break. 👍
Drive it like you stole it
Casually, “what even is that on fire?” 🤣
It was all full of attitude before it saw Mr.Foden, then it was all ‘ok boss’
The warning about the claw hammer was totally appropriate
Hi Joe! Sorry I had to chuckle when I saw your damaged thumb. It reminded me of when I helped smash my brothers thumb while working on his Ford truck. That evening, over a phone call, I convinced him to drill a small hole in his thumb nail to relieve the pressure and pain. The next day he was in better spirits as he had taken my advice. He said the drilling method itself wasn’t too painful, but the center punch part hurt like hell. 😃
Btw, I watched your video at 5:00 am today before my first cup of coffee. Great way to start my day! 👍🏻👍🏻
LOL at center punch!!!!!
You just invented the external combustion engine.
Tell that to mr Trevithick mr Stephenson etc. All steam engines are external combustion engines.
Don't needle gun that Stolly, you will have nothing left! Instant like for Ted's appearance.
B81's were prone to the Carb floats sticking open and filling the cylinders with petrol, causing a hydrostatic lock! Points have a fixed and moving set and the timing between the two needs to be set, we used to have a brass quadrant to set them. It did seem that two of the plugs were not sparking although two were! As previously suggested you might have a sticking valve or valves, but that should reduce compression and allowing the engine to turn a little quicker! A quick compression check should confirm this (dry and wet). Can't wait to see it burst into life!
Those batteries sure have some staying power!
I was thinking the same
Hawker the best
@@MrHewes Great stuff as always.
How about you guys designing and building a landmine clearing machine?
Amazes me how relaxed Ted plays chicken with massive ton's of military vehicle he's one unique doggy
When it goes, those B81 engines sound wonderful. I was driving a Racing Green Bentley Special in South Africa, fitted with one of these engines with twin carbs and open exhausts.
You was driving a Bentley with a Rolls engine, How dear you 😂😂 that's sacrilege
best of both worlds!@@marknewell7355
@@marknewell7355 Well it has a specially cast rocker box cover made to look like the OHC cambox cover on a W.O.Bentley with the Bentley logo on it. The original 4.25L engine in the Mk.6 Bentley, was also derived from an RR engine, the 20HP 'Baby" Rolls.
@@wilsonlaidlaw that is mint that mate I honestly didn't know. I knew vickers bought Bentley thought that was 70s they sold to vw I think not sure that's probably how the stolly got one
@@marknewell7355 The RR B series engines were designed to meet a War Ministry specification for a modular series of military engines that could be made in 4 cylinder B40 (Austin Champ) 6 cylinder B60/61(Humber Pig and Ferret scout car) and straight 8 B80/81 (Various Alvis 6 wheelers, Centurion ARV auxiliary power unit and others). They are not fun to work on and in typical RR fashion never fix things in place with one bolt when you could use 8.
It's just forgotten the 'internal' element of the combustion engine... simple fix 😂
Firing on one cylinder, awesome. Can't wait for the next instalment.
Straight bar push in the stead of an A bar…….respect.
god brings back memories lol ours was a none runner when she arrived not quite as bad as this when she finally fired up she let out a huge bang from the exhaust shattered several pains in the greenhouse next to it mother was not impressed.
Wait, his name's Bob and he's a builder? Poor man. On the upside I bet the kids love him.
And the milf’s
Nice work, there's some life in that old thing yet.
Good call on the fire extinguisher
With Ted strolling around moving vehicles, I always get a bit uneasy whenever he wanders into the immediate path of a machine.
Everyone's a pro on site, even the dog.
@@travelbugse2829fully qualified doggo
@Landon-si5xc you alright fella?
@@WillusKillus He Allahsn't.
I love me a Stalwart. I bought a Toy Stalwart when I was 10, I still have it to this day. Also, someone near my former home in Glendale Cal. parked one in a small parking lot and left the gate open. Well, being that I'm a military vehicle enthusiast myself, I just had to take a closer look. I was able to climb up and and enter the cab. It was really clean inside and out, so I resisted to push any buttons or flip any switches...
I’ve always thought the stalwart an ideal camper van conversion (sacrilege I hear you say). The ultimate go anywhere caravan.
With built in super heater for winter camping!
Just what I had in mind . . .
Another mint video love it love the stolly and the banter and comedy is on point
Great episode Joe! I'll be watching this restoration with great interest. Cheers, John
This is brilliant!
I can hardly wait for part 2
Need to nick some of the lady's emery boards she does her nails on, always keep a pack in the box for slipping in the points to clean them up
Enjoyed it brilliant thanks . Nice the see the star Ted too.
Don't hit a battery connector/post. You end up with an acid-leak around the post (- which is the reason the wiring next to the post goes green).
Sorry dad
Great video and hats off for even attempting to revive the beast.
some good old firing going on there, just need it in the right places
could use the old Morecombe & Wise sketch, 'it is firing, just not necessarily in all the right places'
its a few years now since i played with a stolly, i do remember going out in one to refuel, we switched off at the fuel station, filled up (many GB £s later) and the pig refused to restart, she ran like a dream going there, seemed to have a vapour lock which i think only happens when hot i guess, eventually she started, but we left this odd black soot mark on the forecourt canopy - eh we did laugh
i honestly didn't know they ran on coal
I used to make them, and Armstrong bikes backfire on purpose. I was very good at that, if nothing else.
@@stevemorris3710 We need you guys for the next Just Stop Oil protest.
@@travelbugse2829 Ready and willing :-)
Can't wait to see part 2
Love the casual “what even is that on fire” , lol ,
“What even is that on fire?”
Reminds me of the IT Crowd fire extinguisher scene “I’ll just put this over here with the rest of the fire”
At a Sea World?
@@handlesarefeckinstupid I was thinking of the soldering iron, but that’s an even better one! It does seem like a strange place to go on fire!
Exhaust pipe leaking unburnt fuel
Bloody impressed it even turns over!
a quick rub of the rotor on a tire cleans up surprisingly fast and well.
Man what a STARTER !!!!🤣👍👍
Pat on the back whoever built that one
Bob must be a certified builder he has an Estwing hammer. Nice!
Great effort... look forward to the beast starting in part 2, got your lairy hair under control too, keep up the good work👍🏻
Reminds me of really old locomotive diesel engines or old aero radials trying to start when its really cold. The cylinders have a discussion on who should start firing first and then after more debate the rest of them decide who else joins in and in what order lol.
Great stuff, interesting insight to how some historic pieces get initial perseverance. Wouldn't be the same without Teddy. Have my reservation about orange wearing Jack, couldn't get beyond him wiping grease on Ted months back. No class. We all know what bright colors in nature represent, think Baboon's asses.
Thanks Joe, for the down to earth work.
Yep, it's just not cool. Only a small bit of grease I'm sure but ffs. Was when whistlin diesel visited and kept spitting on his workshop floor.
As I recall these beasts had a reputation for shooting flames out of the exhaust on start-up. If you had one right behind another that was starting, you needed to duck down from the Right Hand hatch PDQ or get singed (if you were lucky), or even a burnt face. A mistake you only make once!
@Landon-si5xc ? Trying to figure what this has to do with Stollys burning your face off. . . . . ? More like a Christian's view of Hell. But Hey, each to his own.
Hello from Canada. Love watching you get these old beasts running again. Hope it starts for you. I just wanna hear it run. Cool machine.
There's one at Leduc No1 near Devon AB
Hun?
As it turns over, throwing flames, it sounds like it’s saying ‘lazy engine, lazy engine, lazy engine, lazy engine’, or is it just the stuff I’m smoking ?
Now I hear it too dammit.
I like this army truck, looks well smart
Subbed. I wanna see that fire up. It is beautiful mate. When I was a kid in the 70's my dad was in the army I used to go to a training area (Lemgo, Germany) and watch these Stalwarts. The soldiers would show off and balance the Stally on the centre wheels when going over a small hill.
Great Vid! Love the knife with your name on too.
Love the old tech working with points and a dizzy cap so easy to work on and fix
Well you're living the dream with this one most stollies were burned out at some point in their lives, this one just needs it's own fire crew or a 6bt 👍🤣😂🤣
showed this vid to my grandad, took him back 60 years down memory lane, please upload as much as you can on the stolly, I'm trying to get him to watch all of your videos 😉
These had the lesser known EXTERNAL combustion engine, looks likes it’s working a treat!
Sounds like stuck valves, firing on the same cylinder every time! Those pics look like they could be from Manby wheels in lincolnshire
Phil
Yeah for sure. With plugs out only has compression on 3 of the 8 cylinders
I always get so invested in watching these videos 😂😂😂
🤣 cheers
@@MrHewes I wanna come and work with you boys.....
fantastic video
The fact you got that much life out of that engine after so long being left says a lot about how tough these vehicles are . I don't imagine any modern vehicle left for so long would even come close to try to fire up . I love the shape of the Stolly , can't wait to see this fully restored back to its former glory . Cool video as always thank you .
I brought a Honda CB250 RS that hadnt run for 15 years, new battery few kicks and it started. Honda for you. Around 15 year ago before ethanol fuels.
@@gilleyb1900 You could almost say , the older combustion engines whilst less green , were much more easier to fix , and more robust . These days a bad chip in a sensor or ECU can ruin your day .
Great vid , was willing it to start ! Had a problem with a my mates Renault Fuego , would pop n bang but wouldn't start , after trying four about a hour the therewas so much fuel in the exhaust when it fired it blew the silencer apart !! After closer inspection the rotor arm was cracked, once replaced started up good , just needed another silencer 😂 thanks for sharing 👍💨💨
Being an old bugger I can remember the days when ignition switches weren't connected to steering locks and everything had a carburettor. A mate turned up late for work one day, looking rueful. He told me that driving along the M4 at speed he was curious to know what would happen if he switched it off for a few seconds. As he turned on the key again there was an almighty explosion and he left his exhaust system lying in the road. I told him yup, engine goes on sucking fuel which is not ignited, so it passes to the exhaust. He operated the afterburner.
Love it ❤
A couple of the photographs look like they were taken, at the Avon Dassett Heavy Meetings, at the Quarry there. Good luck with part 2 sir.
You learn something new with each episode. In this episode the Morse code starter button method. 😅
Farmer boys setting shit alight .
Love it
Those decks made perfect channels for fuel from leaking Jerry cans to run down to the hot exhaust. An officer from my regiment was burnt in a Stalwart fire rescuing the driver. Both survived.
what a gem
I like the way you've a "healing area", reminds me of going to Glastonbury years ago 😂
Worthy farm for military vehicles!
Great video!
Bet you would have shat yourself if it roared in to life at a touch of that button!
Look forward to you getting it up and running!!
used to love these portable fuel supplies and the bedford TK artics whilst on guard duty, 5 gallon a week would get you to work from married quarters to vehicle park below buller barracks, MPG on all these old petrol burners were not as good as they shouldve been.... may thanks to 8 sqn with help to the running costs of my old mark 1 escort ( and no i wasnt 8 sqn i was shitty 7 )
I love comments like this with past experiences. Thanks for sharing.
How would that urban-myth Stollie have made it across the English Channel? - it would have needed a mid-channel refuelling. Not so much mpg as gallons per mile.
First time ive seen smyth's guages work, ill give it that much...
Looking forward to part two 👍
Ted supervising the movement of vehicles on the farm ....this way lads! ....Over here....
I hope the starter insulation hasn't melted but yeah, when it's that close to running (I nearly said fired up) I'd have pushed it too.
Looks like some stuck valves. But get it running and who knows.
It might help to have someone spray the petrol into the intake in a slightly more metered way rather than literally flooding it. 😀
Yeah stuck valves for sure! Definitely needs more petrol might fill the whole engine bay
Bob the certified builder!
Can he fix it?
Yes he can
Nice to see Joe using an actual fire extinguisher rather than Monster this time..
I like the way he reacted "...ah, a fire..." followed by a calm delay while he readied the extinguisher. I still prefer dino juice to electric vehicles, with their built-in thermal runaway system.
@Landon-si5xc
Ive always cleaned a rotor arm by rubbing it on a rubber tyre 👍🏻 give it a go 😉
Didnt Lee Hurst and the Salvage squad do one of the Stollys up 20 odd years ago? or has the Mandela effect fcuked me over again?
Nice to see Ted has it all in hand as always.🙂 Lols love the mechanical "after burner"!
Can't remember if it was Lee Hurst or Suggs that presented that one, but the Salvage Squad did do a Stollie, complete with it's water jets.
I'd swear I passed this going North on the M40 last week. Not under its own power....
You did
Jo what ever you do - DONT TRY TO BUMP START IT - There will be a Catastrophic Catastrophe through your whole Transmission ! For the same reasons, you cant tow a Truck with the 1/2 shafts engaged in the DiFF - DONT DO IT.
It ignited just fine.
That new barring over slot seemed to grow in size as the barring commenced 🤔🤣🤣🤣, on another note isnt it the inlet manifold that needs the heat ? 😂
Nearly! 😉
OFF to the healing area😂😂😂
puts a new slant on the Talking Heads song 'burning down the Stolly'.....perhaps
Fair play the starter and batteries taking one for the team
I like to push them to the limits
If you’re cutting away at a bell-housing, is that circumcision?
The fans appear to be seized. Taking the belts off might improve cranking speed. Trying to remember my days on Saracen, you would need a C spanner to adjust fanbelt tension.
Thunderbirds are GO!
Can't wait to see the alvis wading
Get that exhaust glowing white!
"We're out the way" starter!
Fire in the wrong place 😮
Let me guess, need abit of
Diesel down the bores give
it a few days , fully charge
up your batteries, tap the
starter a few times ,then away you go 😮😮😮😁
Gears in the driveline going wtf!!!! 😂
you did not try hard enough you still have both your eyebrows 🤣
I been rescuing so many military vehicles in Australia. I had few does the same way and did not want to start. The valve are stuck open and can cause that and stop it from getting it to fired it up and run.
Had to take the head off to free few valves and put the head back on and it fired straight up.
I cheated youl see in my next vid
@@MrHewes awesome looking forward to the next video.😊
Ahhh I see you fitted a Brembo towing hitch to the Foden...
I just love Fodens
Now you know why the had Graviner FireWire. It was not the appalling system people made it out to be. The trouble on the Stolly was it ran around the top of the engine bay and every squaddie stepped on it and broke it. Much ECE cursing but if you have several pallets of 105 etc sitting on top it is a useful thing to have. Control box next to master switch. I remember fitting the four way emergency flashers usually a German civilian unit that worked very well and the spot light had a mod about the same time. Batteries were lifted and lowered by hand. Where’s that Gunner gone now? Oh well bit of rope and do it yourself. How we kept the Russians at bay in the seventies!