Dragonball Z Abridged Creator Commentary | Episode 59
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Cell vs. Goku! Definitely the final battle. Because that's how this works!
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That is because the Disney version was incredibly rushed. An if they didn't have the license for only 8 years They could have done a great series of movies. They instead Zipped through EVERYTHING! Explain this. NO TIME! Explain this. NO TIME! If they slowed down an just explained things. The Movie would have been wonderful.
Regarding the sponsor spot, America likely won't be stepping up their Kit Kat game, because of the perpetual US license to Hershey.
So Kaiser is a TLJ fan... I knew he had a flaw.
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEECHNICALLY, there is magic in the Dragonball Setting. A twist of fate, and DBZ:Abridged might have had Magical Girl Videl ... and I'm imagining angry tomboy Videl is a Cardcaptor Outfit and being incredibly violent about it, and Gohan's Superhero Delusion just getting worse as a result of seeing somebody else prancing around in stupid clothing.
Will there be commentary for hfil the dragon shorts and buu bits
I read an interpretation that Cell's "half-time entertainment" would've just been him making Yamcha sing his "Cat Loves Food" song on live TV and I can't unsee it.
My thoughts as well, or worse, Cell using him like a sock puppet and singing instead of him.
Actually, I could kinda see him just letting Yamcha try and fight him, especially after "post Goku exhaustion", maybe even getting a hit or two in. Remember, he does seem to kinda like him.
That is beautiful.
And then because Cell ultimately loses and the earthlings live, Yamcha would be the one to get sued for illegally performing copyrighted material on live TV.
@@andrewhegstrom2187 I can't help but wonder... Use him like a sock puppet with his hand, or his tail?
@@althelorOuch.
You know that throwaway Harry Potter line from Mr. Satan is actually really sweet. It implies that he actually watches the movies with his daughter. Really the few lines that Satan has about Videl shows he, if nothing else really cares about and loves his daughter.
Yeah, Mr Satan is a lot of things, but a bad father is not one of them.
No, I'd go one further, he read the books to her at bedtime!
All up until Videl was like "Dad, I don't think I like JK Rowling anymore."
@@jasonnewell7036so my little princess, Bellatrix didn't just beat Sirius, she TOOK HIM DOOOOOOWN!!!
@@PrincessFelicie You know Satan would continue to get her Harry potter stuff long after Videl stops caring for it
My interpretation as to why Mr Popo took to Dende so quickly is because Kami would just kinda roll his eyes and go along with Popo's shenanigans, whereas when he jabs Dende, Dende jabs back, and Mr Popo appreciates it because everyone else is to terrified to give him any lip.
Vegeta did talk back, but also being vicious and insulting. Dende likes to tease
I'd always wondered if Dende knew how powerful Popo is, if he would act the same way lol
@@SuperSailorChaos Dende also freely mouthed off to Freeza & Vegeta, as well as flatly calling out all of the Z-Fighters (except Gohan), any of which could kill him and several of whom are planet-busters like Goku and Trunks. Dende also knows exactly how strong Popo is during the Buu Bits and hasn't changed one bit (since he's the one who prods Popo into helping).
@@SuperSailorChaos Dende smack-talked Freeza right to his face, he absolutely doesn't care. I think that's the crucial difference; Dende doesn't give a *FUCK* and Popo admires that.
@@45calGunslingeryeah this. Dende is so, so over any reverence he used to have.
* he met super kami guru, and learned what kind of guy he is
* his entire planet was genocided by an enemy they couldn't possibly oppose, basically out of absent-minded spite.
* he's now aware that no matter where he goes, this is relatively likely to happen again due to the insane power inequalities within the universe.
* his healing powers, the ability to preserve life, were mostly used to give random antiheroes a power boost
* effectively no namekian can truly choose their own fate; they just need to hope that Vegeta's friends will defend the weak before Vegeta genocides more of them
* he's met king yemma and witnessed how the mahogany is more important than any person's soul
* he's now playing the same role as super kami guru on a planet full of strangers -- supplying resurrections and waiting to see if they're about to get genocided again
* the only other namek on the planet is the guy who broke a sacred tradition of his people for a power boost
dende lived a (presumably) reverent and calm life, with firm faith in super kami guru and the ways of his people. and then he rapidly found out that reality is so, so much less profound, and so much more pointless, than he had been raised to believe.
there's basically nothing popo can threaten him with at this point because he's so far past his limit already
i love this characterization of him so much 😍
now that trunks has seen the mahogany, he could almost be as jaded as dende but for two big differences: he never really grew up with as much reverence and faith as dende (having a scientist mom and a questionable grandpa), and also trunks at least has some power to fight these galactic horrors
Lani: We'll be back next week
Narrator: And then they weren't back next week. Thus proving that Episode 60 is and always shall be cursed to delays. Even during commentaries.
Cell calling Goku Kakarot is like a parent using their childs full name
Cell is part saiyan, he’s got the saiyan pass
His Vegeta is showing
"stop pitting the fate of the world on death matches" feels like a Kaiser line. He feels like the type to criticize like that.
I mean, considering what Trunks actually ends up doing in the original series, Kaiser has a point if he did write it. Trunks is the only (half-) Saiyan that gets shit done
@@tutumazibuko2510 Does Trunks really 'get shit done'? The only fight he wins is against Mecha Freeza. Against every other opponent he either gets owned immediately, fails to stop them at all, or is so far above them its not a fight.
And that's not even mentioning how he sacrificed the safety of the planet to let his dad get a W. For all his complaints about the past he's no better than they are.
@@HeavySighSA he beats androids 17/18 and (admittedly first form) cell after this as well. His initial plan was to see if correcting the past would work but since that didnt he resorted to (and succeeded at) just going and doing what he could to fix the remnants of his timeline. It doesnt matter for the main timeline that most people only care about but he does genuinely try to get shit done more than gohan even (lets not forget gohan outclassed his opponents two MAJOR times in cell and super buu, yet both times lets his hubris turn into multiple deaths because he gets way too cocky for no reason like a full blooded saiyan does.)
on the sacrificing the safety of the planet, sure, but in his mind he still had the power to kill cell and didnt see the negatives in his power up since he isnt as savvy in a fight as goku or cell. If he was right and he really was powerful enough then theres genuinely no negatives to letting his father go first and then jumping in before he dies if it gets bad. If he tried to do it on his own vegeta literally would attack him with cell first for a chance to fight cell instead (and literally does attack trunks for that reason, because he wants to fight cell at his strongest first before anyone else can tire him out and wont let anyone stop that)
@@HeavySighSAI mean he killed 17 and 18 and cell immediately and stopped the Buu saga without Buu getting released
@JubioHDX no reason? He got it from goku. Most of the time at worst goku straddles the line. But dropping his guard could seen as arrogance. Super buu losing the fused powers of goten and trunks directly bit goku in the ass because he assumed the fight was winnable without the earrings now. It was both pride and arrogance that got him.
Finally getting overwhelmingly powerful against cell went straight to gohan's head and never left. After years of being beaten up, that sudden level of control and power was intoxicating and cathartic. Both cell and buu set him up the same way: he senses or hears about all the bad things they're doing and he's forced to sit there and not do anything about it right away. On his own without goku to teach the lesson, he would've flew off to fight them as soon as he realized they were hurting people, just like his future counterpart does. But the tradeoff is now that hatred sits there and festers. Gohan sat on those feelings for over a year. He had all that time to imagine how he'd make sure cell suffered for what he did. Buu was the same thing. He was kept away and the anger was forced to sit there and fester. Just like with cell, he overwhelmed buu and rode on the high of the level of control the power brought him. Beating cell made him cocky, but it's not until he's truly squaring up with buu that we see it on display. Again he also gets stuck on justifying violence and how to humiliate his opponent. With the kids, he felt the need to show off a bit too. I think it was in battle of gods that Trunks brings up how cocky gohan gets when he drinks.
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My favorite Dende line was actually in the Buu Bits. “YOUR DAUGHTER IS A MAN STEALING WHORE.” Had me cackling.
"...Just like her mother."
My personal favorite was "Speaking of uncomfortable, have you met Mr. Popo?"
@@MrBrawler16 "OH MY GOD ARE YOU ALLOWED?!"
@@johnhager8967 "AHAHAHAHAHAHA, Oh, I like this one!"
@@OrificeHorus"YEAH STEAL ALL MY MEN WHY DONT YOU!"
The “You… BITCH.” line was absolutely perfect. It never fails to make me almost piss myself laughing.
It's one of my favorite lines by him that I quote a lot
Kaiser mentions the possibility that without a Senzu bean, it could turn into a long drawn out fight. The thing is, every time a villain in DragonBall Z realizes they're starting to lose, they try blowing up the planet. EVERY. TIME. Hell, Cell tries twice.
So, doesn't that mean that Goku was actually totally correct to give Cell the senzu bean?
@@Bone8380 Yes, he was correct in everything except the part where he didn't tell Gohan the plan ahead of time.
Yup, and Goku knew Gohan could beat Cell even after the bean, it was Gohan who didn't believed in himself and thought Goku was holding back.
@@GSSAGE7 I think this whole sequence can be summed up with a quote from Piccolo in episode,
"The ends don't justify the means."
Like, I get where Goku was coming from, but his plan didn't even pan out the way he wanted even after giving Cell the heal. Gohan continued to hold back even after threat of exterminating all of his loved ones.
It was ultimately 16 that was finally able to get Gohan to let go and unleash his full potential.
@@kmac639 also Goku didn't account on Gohan having the maturity of a child pushed to far and Gohan dragged Cells suffering out which nearly got the planet destroyed
My headcanon is that Cell spends months punching Gohan, lets everybody go home and take Christmas off, then when they get back goes RIGHT back to punching Gohan.
Taka I don’t think you’re getting the props you deserve. You really killed it with Cell. Fantastic performance.
Masterpiece.
Perfect, one might say.
They all knew he’d be fantastic tho, it was one of the earliest castings
What? He fully gets props
Taka will always be my definitive Cell. If I could cast a reproduction of DBZ or Kai, I would definitely cast him. Masako for Goku, too, imo. I know that Sean Schemmel is iconic in his work as Goku, but I always felt his voice felt TOO serious for adult Goku, especially as they moved into Super. It just doesn't fit with the goofiness that is Goku.
20:00 If you combine Freezer's survivability with Piccolo's regeneration, you get Cell's ability to regenrate everything from anything left.
that makes sense!
I remember in some of the weirder dubs when Frieza is 'fighting' Nail, he makes a note about the regeneration like it's something he plans to study for have his scientidts work on. Not sure if the choice of dialogue was supposed to foreshadow how hard to kill he was.
And add in the Saiyan's Zenkai boost so he can instantly regenerate, from ANY injury, AND he gets a power boost every time he does.
That's what I love about Cell as a villain, he combine the abilities of Piccolo, Vegeta and Freiza in a way that genuinely synergises and negates all of their drawbacks. It makes him totally OP in a way that really works for the series.
Actually, after fusing with Nail and Kami, Piccolo isn't that far off from what Cell was capable of - later in Buu saga he gets smashed to bits (accidentally) after being turned to stone by Dabura, and he regenerated back from that. Fusion with Nail increased his durability by a lot and boosted the regeneration (hence him not dying to 2nd form, 3rd form or final form Freeza on Namek), and fusion with Kami added another level to both (hence him not dying to 2nd form Cell), he just never got to the point of testing the new limits fully until late in Z... and he is too cautious to even try on his own just for training purposes...
But considering the DNA of Piccolo acquired by Gero for Cell was from 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, years before any of this space crap, Freeza's and Cold's DNA did help put Cell beyond Namekian physicality for sure.
It should be really difficult for Cell to actually get a zenkai boost since his threshold for "near death" is so much higher.
I just want a podcast of these 3 doing exactly what the first few minutes of this commentary is. Its so good! Ik talkshow podcast exists, but just the chaotic nontopic, pure nonsense chatter? THAT is what i want
I scrolled down to comment exactly this. These three have such a wonderful natural chemistry, a podcast with these 3 as its regular hosts would crush
Like the 'Talkcast Podshows' Lani was hosting on this channel.
You would so enjoy the “trash taste podcast” its and “anime” based podcast where 3 best friends just talk and argue about anything
I agree, I like the Lani and Kaiser dynamic already in their previous podcasts and ramble reviews. But having the out of the loop perspective of Taka would be a great addition to their dynamic. With that I mean, Taka doesn’t seem to be as much of an academic in current media as the other two are. It’s nice to have a guy who is brave enough to ask the more stupid questions. With that, he got the semi-nerds like me covered.
Having recently gone and rewatched see abridged.... I think there should be an abridging central podcast if there isn't one already. People discussing their approach to the craft whilst rewatching their episodes. Encompassing everything from little kurriboh and code ment to maybe even rvb.
The thing about Goku is akira toriama has said that "Goku's want for a good fight is his poison". Him giving his opponents second chances and letting them reach their full power is a character flaw that's intentional. He is not superman, he isn’t an agent of justice. That is what makes him different from the average super powered hero.
I NEVER realized that Goku always forgives his enemies because he wants to fight them again. That is so much better!
@@William-the-Guy This, I think, is an unfortunate by-product of the dub. In the original Japanese I think it's far better alluded that Goku keeps letting the bad guys go because he wants rematches with everyone.
@@William-the-GuyThat's odd that you only realized now that because i thought that was common knowledge. Goku even spared freaking Frieza, the evil emperor that casually kills entire civilizations, because he thought he could redeem himself and become a sparring buddy.
The dub really butchered the character.
@@okagron the dubs I watched as kids played up the idea that Goku sparred people to be merciful and just, and that he believed they coudl redeem themselves and become good. Which seemed dumb to me. But the idea that he just spares them because he likes fighting and wants to fight them again makes more sense for his character.
@@okagronthis is why Akira always points out that Goku isn't a hero, or at least he doesn't think he is one. He doesn't spare villains because of his moral compass and shit, he just wants a good fight in the future. It's purely coincidental that the villains he spared ended up being a good guy or at least helpful at the end.
It's just occurred to me that Goku making Gohan fight Cell is probably him trying to be *nice.*
Like, from Goku's perspective, if someone fought a super strong enemy so he can get a feel for their movements, but then letting them heal so he can fight them at full strength, is literally the nicest thing you could possibly do for him. It's his love language.
So of course he would want to share the best fight it's possible to get with his favoritest son.
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"I'm sending in the strongest fighter we got."
I've watched this episode multiple times and it wasn't until now that I really heard the tenderness in Goku's voice. Even before the Cell fight, he's already so proud of Gohan, I'm gonna cry 😭
I fucking ADORE the "homeless man under house arrest" line.
“First of all, I take offense to that!”
“… why?”
For those interested, the VA for Harley Quinn in the movie mentioned by Scott is Melissa Rauch, who played Bernadette in Big Bang Theory. And the one playing Harley in the HQ show is Kaley Cuoco, who played Penny in that same show.
Lmao funny how that worked out
Huh… that’s a fascinating coincidence.
Wow, I wouldn’t have imagined either of those two voicing Harley.
@@unicornburger16dude it's great to hear penny cuss.
Speaking of Harley Quinn with season 4 they finally brought in DC’s most underrated Supervillain Snowflame. The man who gains super powers by snorting cocaine.
I love to see Goku throwing Cell the senzu bean as him taunting him, saying "Gohan's going to beat you in your prime condition. Go ahead and take the senzu bean, you're gonna need it." It expresses his confidence in Gohan so well.
And plus, Goku knew full well when Cell got backed into a corner he was definitely gonna pull a Vegeta/Frieza (i.e try to blow up the planet); so Gohan had to be able to kill him through overwhelming power, not attrition.
Sadly though most of the viewing audience of DBZ would rather just mindlessly parrot "Goku Bad Dad Lolololol #piccolorealdad" ad-nauseum because they want the likes for the dopamine hit rather than try to think critically and for themselves. Which is sad because they ignore that only Goku actually had faith in Gohan to win, Piccolo basically called Gohan a pussy within earshot of him (conveniently ignoring how he put Gohan in that exact position years back...), y'know like a DAD would!!
The thing I never got about the Senzu bean, and people hating on Goku for tossing it out is... Did it MATTER? Like, at all?
Cell has not one, but TWO infinite energy drives in his body. He literally will never run out of energy. Also, that same unlimited pool of energy is what fuels his regeneration. You cannot beat Cell with attrition. You have to kill him in one attack. Every last fragment of him has to go in a single blow, or he's going to just get up, regerate, and act like it was nothing.
Thoughts & prayers would do more for Cell than that Senzu bean did.
@@RunicRasol Given that Cell seemed tired out after using bigger blasts and regeneration would imply he doesn't actually have infinite energy. My guess is that when he metamorphed into his perfect form, it used the entirety of the two infinite energy drives leaving him with a vast, yet finite, Ki reserve. The evidence for this is when he and Gohan are clashing Kamehamehas, if he had infinite Ki; he would've kept pumping more Ki into the blast, overwhelming Gohan eventually by sheer quantity
@@Luxord5294 Super says the thing doesnt actually give infinite energy, what it does is the androids can just keep fighting forever without their power level dropping from fatigue. In contrast to Frieza who got weaker the more he burned through his power against Goku.
And it was what was needed… cause remember they know cell is comprised of EVERYONES dna including vegeta and Frieza…and what does goku know about those two? When they are loosing they try to explode the planet…hell Frieza even did it to the earth the 3rd time around…I’m sorry but I don’t care what anyone says like “wel what if gohan destroyed cell?”At that point in time they didn’t know about the nucleus meaning gohan would destroy the body thinking he’s won…but just make cell stronger gohan NEEDED to snap into ssj2 to win…to HAVE THAT STRENGTH to kill cell for good
Love that Gohan like a good boy of science is constantly adapting his cosmogony to the world arond him. "Back the HIFL up, what in DENDE´s name you´re doping!?". These guys are masters of their craft,
The Senzu makes sense when you realize that if the roles were reversed, goku would love it if his dad gave Cell the bean.
*In Goku's mind*
Goku: Here ya go Cell *throws Cell senzu*
Gohan?: Thanks dad! Now I get to fight him at his best and have a great fight!
Goku: Heheh!
pretty sure Bardock would do it too
How I always imagined Cell’s “halftime entertainment” wouldve turned out:
*Turns to camera* “Alright folks, after a cathartic first half its time for the halftime show! Yamcha! Show them what you got!”
“Uh… Spirit Ball?”
“Isnt that adorable?” *off camera explosion*
I love how the further into the season we get, the more just beyond done Trunks is. Like you said in the episode when Cell goes perfect, his allies, who he thought of as these mythic heroes of the past, have completely ignored his advice and fucked him over and now he’s just fed up with them all. Dude gave all the help he could to make sure the future would be saved only to have it thrown back in his face.
It's like a person that you like and respect but used to respect a lot more and sometimes get sick of their junk. Hence still enjoying spending time with them out of important situations but being done with them .
Popo: The cat has one because he's in the union.
Dende: "There's a Union?"
Popo: "No, we just told him that to get him to shut up about living below us."
I love how the first 5, non ad, minutes is just shooting the crap. It feels natural like we’re just watching them chill. Also prequels are amazing
You mean the Star Wars prequels like they were talking about during that portion of the video? Attack of the Clones is legit one of the worst Star Wars movies: it's boring, meandering and terrible. Really, only the original trilogy matters and even Return of the Jedi isn't all that great. Star Wars, like Alien and Terminator, is pretty much a two movies franchise, with everything else ranging from decent to absolutely terrible.
@@okagron You have to remember that the original trilogy came out 40+ years ago. Nowadays, most people watch the prequels first because they watch in chronological order. So, those are the movies that they have sentimental attachment to and look back on with nostalgia goggles the same way older fans look on the original trilogy. Times have changed.
@@benn454It is pretty funny watching prequels fans call the sequels garbage while giving high praise to the prequels when a lot of fans of the original trilogy were doing the same exact thing but to the prequel movies and singing the praises of the original trilogy instead. It's a cycle at this point.
The last one has become pretty fun to watch with friends thanks to how almost every line in that movie becoming a meme, also helps that it's the best of the 3 prequels.
@@reddeadspartan"Somehow Palpatine has returned" and "They fly now!" are pretty fun memes.
"I give up!"
"I'LL KILL HIM!"
Among my favorite lines in all of DBZA
I highly desire Lani and Taka to record a skit of a blazed out Dende and Popo just shooting the shit.
Something I always found interesting about Cell's master surgeon without a patient line is that in his view being a surgeon means you show off rather than save lives. It kinda fits the fact that Cell has all the power of Goku and friends but none of the empathy or vaguely heroic nature
There are no surgeons without a twisted mind. I would wager a large amount genuinely have that same thought process as Cell. It takes a certain kind of person to be able to cut into another's body, and I imagine a lot of surgeons would just be serial killers otherwise.
If I had a child, and he wanted to be a surgeon, that'd be a crimson flag.
@@XXMatt0040XXthat's some incredibly sad and shallow thinking. Also no child wants to be a surgeon, that's an interest that is cultivated as we get older. But you go ahead and flag all your kids choices, I'm sure they are gonna have a great time.
Oh also, the thought that all doctors equal serial killers is actually childish. Not even borderline childish. That's just straight up something that someone who doesn't understand the world at all would think.
I always imagined Yamcha being there to sing an over the top pop version of "Cat Loves Food" when Cell said he was the halftime entertainment.
That would most brutal
I like to think Yamcha being the "Half-Time Entertainment" is him performing Cat Loves Food. Like what if Cell is a massive fan since Cat Loves Food is one of the only songs Gero programmed the tank to play for Larva Cell.
Episode 59 was so great that every time I was disappointed Ep 60 wasn't out yet I'd just watch 59 again and be happy. "Thinkin' o' you, Goku!" still reverberates in my brain.
Cell calling Goku “Kakarrot” made me flashback to when my mom would say my full name when I did something bad. Nothing scarier than an angry mom.
Now I really hope that MaskakoX show up next week to truly symbolize Team Four Star. Before the amazing commentary series ends.
The ones with Taka here were all filmed over the course of a couple days in one big go. Also Masako gave some commentary for episode 20 iirc.
@shino4242 I know he once appeared. But I really want to see him with the three amigos in the final episode.
You guys having to download the whole episode all over again and going on several unrelated discussions is the funniest thing this entire commentary series.
So. That beginning talk sesh made me realize I would LOVE a podcast of these three himbos. To quote a great man: "Never in my life have I needed something so much and never known until I received it"
Considering Cell touched down first after destroying the ring... doesn't that mean Goku technically won the fight through ring out?
I like to think that Goku actually waited for Cell to touch down first, just to be sure that 'OK, we're actually forgetting about that rule, he isn't going to claim victory and blow up the Earth'.
If there's no ring, there are no ring-outs.
@@Engineer_Who Tell that to the 22nd Tournament referees.
@@theblindsalmonCell made the rule and he got rid of the rule.
Cell is the referee. 🤷♀️ if you'd like to appeal his decision, speak to.... Cell.
i absolutely adore how concerned Kaiser got when he realized this might not be the right file. thank you editor, for leaving that in
It doesn’t matter what Star Wars opinions we have, it has become the most mentally fatiguing franchise to be a fan of.
Being a fan is just exhausting in general, haha! Everything has this gravitas to it which makes it so people either take it completely seriously or with an exaggerated detachment. It's truly facunating just how much weight media has online. Though I sometimes wonder if the old saloons during "Sturm und drang" in Europe had equally invested (albeit more isolated) conversation about novels and poetry of the time and past. Could you imagine saloon-goers discussing "The suffering of Werther" in the same manner as Star Wars or even Dark Souls is today? What a world!
Or at least the most mentally fatiguing to engage in discussion with
All that really matters is that *_Attack Of The Clones is the worst one actually!_*
The Rise of Skywalker may be chock full of *_all the worst,_* but at least it's not completely devoid of great pieces. Attack Of The Clones is just, like, *_nothing's there._*
@@BrickBuster2552 AOTC isn't even that bad...
Which is thanks in part to a lot of misinformation
I'll be absolutely honest...
I'd pay for a Sitcom about the daily lifes of Dende, Popo, Korin and Yajirobi hanging up above the clouds, casually visiting each other... 😂
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That’s crazy because I always thought that Cell legitimately wanted to hear Yamcha perform “Cat Loves Food” live before he blew up the planet.
Given that Cell touched down first, Goku officially won the Cell Games as per its original parameters
As a star wars fan. I could see the trigger in Lani's face sayin" Download hurry tf up."
Haha yes, that was hilarious
"Episode's up, let's go!"
As one of the folks who had to wait a year for the original episode release, and as someone who was no stranger to waiting for DBZA uploads in general, all I can say is... WORTH IT!!! Worth it every single time. Full stop.
I genuinely think this is my favorite episode of DBZA of all time ever
My absolute favorite joke is so quick and so dumb but that "Yeah fuck Goku!" Absolutely destroyed me when I first heard it holy shit. Not to mention the Vegeta monologue then agreeing with Cell, AND Goku being oblivious to his son getting beat up.
Also, the whole Piccolo being 90% sure he can't do that killed me too. Great callback to when he was Semi-Perfect and asked "How durable is he?! How durable am I?!"
Genuinely my favorite episode
I hope they wait a year for episode 60.
I would cry
That would be equally hilarious and infuriating. Which means they've definitely at least thought about it.
Commit to the bit
They're not. Editor said its gonna be 4 parts. Before the finale there's gonna be another commentary
That would be fucking comedy gold. I actually hope they do that just for the bit.
i’ll never forget being a teenager waiting a year for the finale. i really miss DBZA but im so grateful for the perfect 3 seasons we had. the Buu bits actually made me so emotional.
episode 60 part 1 dropped after one of my high school football games, and i was watching that thing in the locker room before i even took off my pads. i was so excited and the rest of the team had no clue why (we lost that game). good times
Dude, the Buu bit where Vegeta called Goku "best buddy" had me nearly crying >_
17:11 "Vegeta NO!"
"What?"
"Sorry, force of habit. Goku NO!"
Hah. Simpsons reference
I'm glad that Scott's "Batman Videl" joke made it into the Buu Bits, but sad that pawning off her Harry Potter books didn't.
So here's my question: Who approached who for the Buu Bits? Did TFS offer to do them for Mark? Or did Mark ask if they would be willing to do them?
If I recall correctly, Mark said he approached them for just one scene. But TFS asked "what if we did a whole bunch?" and the rest is history.
@@Greil9 TFS is like Krillins dick. They always go big.
@Greil9 My assumption is all the Buu Bits scenes are just all the gags they had planned long in advance for the Buu Saga before they decided to just not do it
I'm curious about that one. On their Kakarot playthrough, they said they probably wouldn't have had Vegeta say "best buddy" during his sacrifice, that they'd have went a different way. They either changed their minds or went for fan service.
@@HeyIsaiddontlookwtfwhatiswrongnah, buu bits was just them tying a neat little bow on all their running jokes.
I can’t let this series leave me again
Same 😭
You sound like you’re about to launch your sinister plan to keep things going
make your own.
There’s a YT channel called “kame dubs” that tries to keep the spirit of tfs through the buu saga
What if they love us enough that this whole series was an advertising campaign for Season 4?
I honestly can’t tell if you guys are being serious about that whole “next year” thing. So, just in case, and while the thought is still fresh in my brain… Watching you guys go over your old stuff has actually taught me how to be a better writer. My writing style used to be so one dimensional and all the characters talked the exact same way. Now, I’m not afraid to experiment and write characters that are either really smart, really dumb, or somewhere in between. So, thanks. 😊
23:06 for anyone confused, seeing as they made ox king canonically a member of the bear community in DBZA. Trans, NB, Bi, Pan and Poly sexual people are allowed under the bear label. So long as your MLM+ and identify with the bear culture and/or it’s many sub-cultures, like otters, wolves and the like, a bear would happily welcome you under their banner. Cause from what I understand, bears are all just nice guys looking to have a good time and someone to love.
4:37 Kaiser, as somebody who got into video editing for the past half decade and have mostly just did it for small shitposts to share with friends in small communities on discord, this is still the most true thing that has ever been said about the subject.
The amount of times I have saved a video, exported it, genuinely thought it's going to be the final draft and title it as such, and notice something I need to change last minute? Innumerable.
My folder is literally just as much of a nightmare for some 12 second gifs as it is with these huge long projects.
I remember having a high school computer animation project that had a save that was final_final. I don't remember if that was actually the finished version.
@saltedscimitar I almost always end up with at least 3-4 files labelled something like "final draft".
One of the first things we learned in my college media course. Establishing a naming convention, and to never name anything final.
Krillin's LET ME COPE is probably my favorite line read in the entire show
I just want to take a moment to give praise to Scott. The amount of things you guys have pointed out that you made possible is incredible. You've changed facial expressions, took characters out of one scene to fit them in another, changed the timing of certain things like Gohan and Kurinrin flying off at the same time in Android 13, and so much more that would take me all day to mention. Basically, you took this show and made it your bitch and you are a fucking legend. You once said earlier on something along the lines of "If a director is doing a good job, you won't know it." So many of your edits are so good that until you guys went through and pointed them out I had no clue they were there. The way you've lined up the music and the music you've selected for certain scenes really took this show to a whole new level. Your greatness can not be understated especially considering the budget you guys were working with to make this all happen. You're writing is stuff of legend, all three of you. You, Lani, and Taka turn everything you touch into gold and these last few episodes have been nothing short of diamonds. From the bottom of my heart I want to say thank you, not just for me, but for Dragon Ball fans everywhere. This show is the only real canon and I'll fight anybody who tries to tell me otherwise. *Chef's Kiss*
Videl as a overly dark and broody Batman / Dardevil parody and Gohan as an overly chipper Superman parody is definitely something I'd love to see. The story itself was already halfway to that anyway (man, the Saiyaman arc had loads of charm).
Gotta say that if Goku hadn't given Cell that senzu, I easily see him getting desperate when Gohan is beating him and trying to worm his way out of the tourney or outright blow up the planet when he realizes he's outmatched.
And then blow himself up the same way, and that's scary since Cell has what, 9 DNA samples. 2.5 of those are Sayian DNA making it a roughly 30% Zenkai boost compared to a Regular Sayian. That an insane boost when you think about Semi Perfect to Superfect Cell
If he's outmatched and tries to blow up the planet, Gohan can just win the beam struggle...so there's no threat.
He has to not be losing to Gohan, but having a hard enough time to realize "oh shit, if this keeps going, the prince or the boy can beat me."
@@shino4242….blow up the planet as in…he is the bomb you moron…have YOU NOT SEEN HOW CELL TRIED TO BLOW THE PLANET UP?!
Holy fuck. We’re already nearing the end. Also will we ever hear that story Taka keeps teasing?
I really am hoping it's hellsing ultimate abridged commentary
There is a commentary up for that
It's the jockstrap incident.
@@Gotanks917no it’s the Damien Clarke story. He’s been talking about for a while.
@@AngelReyes-lc4mwI wonder what it is and if he's talked about that before
25:00 having Cell and Vegata talking over each other was a great comedic choice. You can hear the other in the background of each shot.
Cell: EVERY WORD YOU JUST SAID HAS MADE ME VIOLENTLY ANGRY
Vegeta: EVERY WORD YOU JUST SAID HAS MADE ME VIOLENTLY ANGRY
Cell: OH GREAT NOW I'M AGREEING WITH VEGETA
Vegeta: OH GREAT NOW I'M AGREEING WITH CELL
Cell: LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO
Vegeta: LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO
I laughed so much the first time I saw that I had to watch it like five times.
CANADA: OH GREAT NOW I'M AGREEING WITH THESE TWO
LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO
Thanks for not cutting out the intro. It's surprisingly chill to see you guys just talk random non-DBZA stuff.
"Everything you just said has made me violently angry. OH GREAT, NOW I'M AGREEING WITH VEGETA/CELL! LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!"
“It was really rough for the people following us at the time…”
Worth It.
"Yes, you GET IT, Goku!" 😂😂 Cell's dialogue during this fight is, dare I say, Perfect. Lmao
Starting to feel like they were not kidding about abt ‘see you next yr’ joke. Ha
Maybe the reason 16’s arm is out so wide in the Abridged canon, is because the blast was so big, he spread his arm out wide to fully block the blast and the resulting shockwaves. Making sure that Mr. Satan and Jimmy Firecracker are fully protected
That's always been my abridged Canon reasoning 💙
my take on the whole "goku throwing a senzu to cell" thing is that it gets a lot better when you remember semi perfect cell's self destruct attempt near the end of the fight
goku's been shown to be a good judge of character in canon and abridged
so what he was probably thinking was that cell needed to be at full strength
because if he was on the ropes he would've gotten desperate and murdered gohan before he could have transformed
maybe i'm giving abridged goku too much credit but in the actual series he's definitely smart enough to figure that out
Nah because he doesn't know Cell can self destruct. If he thought Cell might try to end everyone if he thought he was losing pre-transformation, Goku would have likely a assumed a beam attack...which can be beam struggled against and defeated. And if Cell was losing/desperate, then he's probably in a state where anyone with blonde hair could win abeam struggle with him, Or at the very least make it a group effort.
Its completely a bad decision that happened to work out.
at that point in time cell, despite being tired from the fight, was still strong enough to thrash everyone there combined
and freeza and vegeta had both set a precedent that when enemies get desperate, they try to blow up the planet
call it a bad decision but goku didn't have any other options and he picked the one that wouldn't kill his son
I think the general idea is pretty simple: Gohan has lots of power but he's unaware of it and needs a real push to actually reach into it. A weakened Cell is too strong for Gohan as Gohan currently is and Goku knew Cell's buttons well enough. On top of that, Goku knows how power works in DBZ by now. If your best can't take down the opponent or at least come really close? Ganging up is just gonna result in... well... look at what happened when everyone tried to jump in to help Vegeta with 18. He also THOUGHT he also knew Gohan's buttons and had engineered the situation so that Cell would push Gohan to break his limits instead of pretty much any other scenario (Keep in mind if Gohan thought he could win through attrition, even if he eventually realized he couldn't it'd be too late by then for him to get that last push he really needed) that could've resulted in things going poorly.
Had Goku been right? Everything would've proceeded according to cake. Gohan reaches his new level of power and gets a fight he'd enjoy as a bit of a gift after a year of Father-Son bonding. Cell gets stomped into the dirt. Dragonballs to clean up the mess. Everyone goes home happy. However, Goku did NOT know Gohan as well as he thought and that fatal error made everything else fly off the rails including the result of Gohan finally tapping into his power.
@@shino4242don’t matter he knew cell would have tried to destroy the earth and knew that gohan NEEDED that rage boost…he NEEDED to step past that line… because if he doesn’t everyone will die because again…gohan is a pacifist…
10:00 the in character ad libbing is so good. Its like these three have been doing this for over 15 years
"What DIDN'T I do to him?" is another line I've stollen off you guys. Hope you don't mind, thanks, BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE!
And Curt got new glasses. I didn't know a cyborg's prescription ever changfed, LOL.
Hearing that kamehameha literally sent me back physically for a moment , holy fuck Masako is one of a kind
Since we're kinda talking about it at the start, I hate that I can't talk about how much I genuinely like Zack Snyder's Justice League (which I'll gladly and openly admit is far, _FAR_ from perfect) without immediately being labeled as a cultist. I just like the movie is all.
The fact that you admit fault alone shows you aren't a cultist. Most people have guilty pleasures and like some bad or mediocre things. The cultists believe that his movies are all 10/10 masterpieces and a masterclass in both film making in general, super hero movies in particular, and should be basically copied by the actual comic books.
You're also specifically only mentioning SnyderLeague and not the Snyderverse as a whole, presumably implying you dislike 1 or more of the others, further showing your lack of cultism.
There's a difference between having a movie you enjoy despite its flaws... and the sheer doggedness of those supposed fans.
Unfortunately, the worst parts of any group will typically be what people think of immediately. Just look at the My Little Pony fandom. Plenty of great and reasonable individuals who are able to genuinely appreciate the setting for whatever reason.... but when people think about it they immediately jump to "bronies" and the worst aspect of that group rather than the original intention of it just being bros who were cool with the ponies instead of being caricatures of the stereotype that boys should find the whole thing icky and gross and too kiddie and so on.
Try not to let it get to you too much and keep touch with those who either are similar to you in being willing to admit to flaws even if they enjoy it or those who are at least willing to hear you out. It can be rough, but that's just the nature of the internet and fandoms nowadays.
To be honest I'd like to say "fuck you" to whoever uses the term cultist for anything in the world that isn't actually important (movies, comic books, anime, videogames). If you can't accept the fact that someone is gonna disagree with you about a movie cause he/she/they think it's perfect and you don't then fucking stop debating on the internet and live in your bubble of opinions. Let adults debate (even heatedly) about shit in peace cause it's not that serious. Like whatever you like however you want to.
As someone who genuinely enjoyed both MoS and BvS, i feel ya.
I think they're fun What If's.
Don't make defammatory AI videos and you should be good.
2:32 I was there. It felt like forever for the next episode. And at times my faith weakened and I thought you guys were giving up on the project before it was completed. Thank you for pushing for it and completing it. You guys are true fans of DBZ. Because only a true fan would know the material so well.
I like to think that Popo offering Dende some weed is simply him bringing back an old ritual he had with Kami, like that's the way Kami was brought up.
Nope, Kami and Popo only reached an understanding about that during the Saiyan saga.
Now technically if you wait til January for episode 60..
You know the punchline
Cell Being Absolute Deligthed that Goku was gonna Kamizake everything to kill him its one of my favorite parts of the Cell vs Goku dynamic
Truly they go together like bacon and literally anything else because bacon makes everything better.
I personally think one thing that is completely missed with the senzu bean incident is that, literally no one else on the battlefield could’ve done anything to cell due to him being that much stronger than the rest of the cast. We see evidence of a power gap being so Insane that no one can do anything In the “Goku vs Piccolo” fight in DB, where after a heavily fatigued Piccolo shoots Goku in the shoulder and thinks he has won the fight, he declares out loud that he is going to immediately kill everyone and that know one could stop him. Not even Kami or Tien were a worry to him people who you would think are relative in terms of power to regular base Goku, are shown to not be when they get “serious” lol. So in short Goku had to give cell a senzu to get Gohan to snap like Kaiser said(if I spelt your name wrong my bad I am currently smoking a little bit of little green).
I also think if Gohan had fought a weakened Cell with his original 'war of attrition' plan, once Cell realised he was losing he'd just have blown up the Earth. Which he TRIED to do after Gohan went SSJ2 but the difference in their power levels at that point meant Gohan could stop it.@@GAHAHAHH
18:00 -
Krillin: "Goku, nooooo!!!"
Cell: "GOKU, YEEEEESSSSS!!!"
The longer the hiatus went on, the more scared I got
I was convinced that Toei had finally dropped the hammer. There were lawyers involved, the guys were facing serious legal trouble and costs and could not talk about it, and any moment TFS would disappear from the net and YT forever
It would never happen because a court case would end all attempts to take down abridge as avkegal case backs up fair use
That file naming things hits so hard, especially when you have a production drive things are supposed to go into eventually. So for example, I used to work at an engineering company, and our production database uses the names of all the parts as the names of the files. But of course, when I go in to make changes or update formats, I'm saving them as "part_name revision draft", "part_name revision draft 2" etc.
What I find works best is to have a separate, labeled, dedicated deployment directory, where copies of the most up-to-date versions of your files go. That way I'm always sure that what's in the deployment directory, what's in the production database, and the most recent, most complete, latest named revision in my local files, are all the same thing. So I have two backups to get it right if one of them fails for some reason. Triple-redundancy, folks - don't overlook it when dealing with digital files. It's super easy to do, and it saves you so much time and stress in the long run.
38:33 That is the most ominous editor’s note I think I will ever see.
It was mentioned in last week's episode that there would be a week or so in between this one and 60 just due to how long it will be to put together.
It'll be worth it!
I love how the thumbnail looks like Taka is presenting a prime example of anxiety in Gohan.
I just realized that they called back to the "just like your mother" in the buu bits with Mr. Satan and Dende
I always thought it was funny how Gohan's super saiyan hair resembles goku's normal hair, and his super saiyan 2 look resembles goku's super saiyan 1 hair.
Like he's half goku and has to push harder to fill his shoes. Reminds me of the relationship Tails has with the super emeralds.
I've always appreciated the addition of Videl at the end there. It's a cute moment.
Lani’s 3-knuckles line really caught me off guard 😂
As someone who was there when these episodes were first dropping, yall absolutely justified the waiting period each time
Taka’s Bane is REALLY good (4:54)
I am glad we kept those first nine minutes. Little things that just make it great. On that note, credit to the editors. Your add ins are what turned this from something I was listening/watching to in the background to something I sit and watch with full attention.
Also Taka is right about Goku and the senzu bean.
I could just imagine Dende yelling at them to disconnect the pole so that the lookout won’t shake anymore
Goku giving Cell a Senzu was peak characterization for his post SSJ transformation. In the original DB, Goku was far less fight crazy than he became after the Freeza Saga. He was more aware of the situation and actually killed hundreds, if not thousands of Red Ribbon Army soldiers because he understood the threat they posed.
But after he became an adult, he started letting his enemies live after he won the fights. Piccolo was the first, and he hadn't killed anyone at that point, and it worked wonders - he spent 6 years not doing anything bad, then even helped when Raditz showed up. The only one Vegeta technically killed (on Earth) was Nappa, and that semi worked out. But for Freeza, it didn't go as planned, but hey, two of three isn't that bad.
Then we shove in the SSJ state, where his eyes change to how how fierce he's become, his speech bubble becomes more angular like Vegeta and Piccolo's, and even Kaiou-sama states Goku isn't thinking straight anymore and just wants to fight Freeza for his own ego, something Muten Roshi went to incredible lengths to teach him NOT TO! In a sense, the SSJ is the betrayal of what Goku had learned, but it gave him results.
Now Goku has spent a whole year with his son in the Room of Time and Spirit, and all he can see is how serious Gohan is about fighting and the fun they're having being together. Both blinded by the Saiyan heritage and the situation, Goku interprets this as his son being as much into fighting as he is (which he was never, the anime made Gohan seem like he enjoys fighting but those were all filler scenes).
So when he throws in the senzu, he believes he's giving Gohan what he wants, a fair fight against a strong opponent (and who knows, Cell might even reform after this), Piccolo has to slap Goku with the reality check - "Did you tell him about his plan!? Did you talk to him?" And that's when Goku realizes he screwed up.
Goku committed the cardinal sin of fatherhood - believing his son is a mini version of him and giving the kid what he would have wanted as a child, and not seeing to understand what the child wants. And he does it partially because of his Saiyan heritage.
And what happens when his plan DOES work and Gohan lets his rage consume him? He becomes the same arrogant person Goku had become in Namek, prolonging the fight for his own amusement instead of thinking about the consequences. Why kill Freeza/Cell now, if I can still make this fight drag on for longer if I don't? The price Goku paid for this arrogance was all of Namek exploding, and the price Gohan would have paid was the Earth blowing up.
Dragonball may not be deep, but it is deeper than people give it credit for!
that is a great analysis. you are to be commended.
This, and justifying Krillen's remote fuckup for long term implications, makes me appreciate either fans interpretation of these events....or Toriyama understanding and executing subtle characterization. Cell and Buu's ego/personas aren't put to question as often, despite those factors prolonging conflicts in an interesting manner. Frieza was THE unrelenting bad guy to top, so adding personality and alternate desires was how future villains and Goku could stand out.
@@alfredgomez3128 And yet, all we got was SUBARASHII and Jiren after Z ended...
So much for villains having different personalities and desires...
@@TwilightWolf032 Think Z burned out that development, or Dragonball Evolution. Super ends up making everyone, but the villains, interesting instead.
I think the biggest question no one seems to want to ask is, why is Gohan even here. LEt's break down the possibilities.
a) Goku beats Cell and Gohan doesn't have to fight.
b) Goku loses to Cell and Gohan will have to fight sooner or later.
Honestly, has anyone, ANYONE, ever asked what would've happened if Goku lost normally? You know, ringout/ko? Were they just going to be like"Well, he lost, time for the cyanide capsules." or were they actually gonna fight? And was Piccolo going to rant then too?
It is a shame that this was the last episode I was able to share with my Mom. This series had been a really fun cross generational thing for us and while I did have to explain the more meta and/or internet related jokes we had both really enjoyed watching as it developed from where it started to here. Sadly she passed away in the game between this episode and 60. Its why despite this run of episodes being your, in my opinion, best work it will always be somewhat bittersweet to me.
The most common theory I've heard about how Cell's regeneration works is that, normally, a Namekian has to spend a decent amount of ki to replace their lost body parts right? It's like converting energy directly into mass, and it tires them out quickly. However, Cell has a loophole. Each portion he regenerates technically came from near-death. So the Zenkai Boost that would have made that individual body part stronger, instead is the energy that gets converted into replacing the limb. As a result, Cell can replace his body effectively for free - which Piccolo ABSOLUTELY CANNOT pull off to match.
In the original english dub, the gang actually talks a bit about how they can feel Cell lose a lot of energy when goku hits him with the kamehameha, it's just less energy than goku used to hit him.
13:40 goku: "im just here for a fight"
cell: "that's what i adore about you"
Buu Bits
goku: "im just here for the fight, you dont gotta justify it"
vegeta: "god i missed you "
fighting is their love language
I'm not ready for this to end again!
23:04 Considering what she wore as a kid, that line is all the funnier
So excited to watch the commentary on the Bojack movie in a couple weeks.... right right
I'm glad you guys are doing these. It's got me back into listening to more movie and tv commentaries. I didn't realize how much I appreciate these tings until rewatching these 😌... Things that you are doing. 💚
Next year it is! Committing to the bit I LOVE IT!
I'm impressed you included a whole filler arc in this
I’m kinda hoping that after they’re done with this they discuss the script writing and brainstorming process behind the Dragon Shorts they did or even the Buu bits🙏
As we come ever closer to the end of this I just wanna say how amazingly funny and insightful this has been.
I gotta say guys. It takes a lot of skill to make a series that's funny and do another series, of you guys just watching the first series. And make it even funnier.
You guys are amazing.