This is the video you need to watch.... Geoff and Barrie discuss how second hand EVs are destroying the car industry th-cam.com/video/CdcxEPPtSEI/w-d-xo.html
Pssssst! Geoff ... one word ... motorbikes. Fast, visceral, cheap, you own them, affordable to run, you can maintain them yourself, no tech overload ... its time. Get yourself a toy and get your leathers on. It will scratch all your itches. I never looked back and I'm not renting a £70,000 car for the same kind of enjoyment.
Does anyone ever get a lower price renewal quote for their insurance anymore, despite not having any accidents, claims or convictions. There’s definitely a scam going on.
@@BULLEAD I saw a video on TV of an Asian gang provoking accidents by stopping at clear roundabouts making the car behind run into them,then claiming for personal injury . Someone in adjacent office building noticed how regular it was and the Police caught them.
I know, they are really hammering this now. I am in my early 50s, nice area, classed as retired, no points and my no claims is intact. A couple of years back I got a Audi TT convertible and managed to get insurance for it that was the same per month as my previous, much smaller engine Mx5. And for the last three years my renewal quote has been astronomical. Just an increase that is out of all proportion, and NOTHING in my circumstances have changed. If they can insure me for a year, fully comp with all the bells and whistles at less than £30 a month, then why think I will stay with them if they suddenly decided they want £95 a month!!! And that is with yet another year of no claims. Nothing you say will budge them on price, so I cancel and go elsewhere. This keeps happening. Just renewed in September again this year and I am now down to £18 a month with AVIVA compared to what my last company wanted to up my payments to...and it was more than three times that price....I am sure next September I will be axing Aviva to go elsewhere as they will renew quote me something like £150 a month....
@@bonalba20I do question that. I had an EV, a Tesla Model 3 Performance, I know I know, I was a fool. I now have a 2010 Civic Type R before you judge 😅 Anyway, I pay £350 for that but… the Tesla was £800 plus! I agree, we are paying more for ICE these days but EV owners are certainly getting shafted too, it doesn’t make sense.
car prices are going up to much. sealed unit headlights that cost £1000 to replace instead of 200, wing mirrors that cost 800 quid instead of 300. It's pretty obvious why the insurance prices keep going up. EV's add to this with crap battery tech that car makers charge far too much money for.
Same. I grew up around car culture, and I sort of hated it at the time, but I don't think you realise what you lost until its gone. Cars represented a kind of freedom, one part of it. I don't see that we're replacing car culture with anything meaningful
@@HowToSpec The same guy's I'd see in corsa's, polo's and fiesta's are now all driving financed M2's and A3's. Just to give them back in a few years or however long they can afford it. Saw a herd of older diesel VAG cars/wagons with untasteful mods and that tractor sound mod fly past the other week, that made me smile.
I'm in America and it's becoming more and more rare to see car enthusiasts in the lower and middle class. For most that aren't upper class cars are their entire lifestyle.
It's an end of an era. I'm 50and grew up with Clarkson and Co. My world has changed so much from the innocence of my childhood, through the implementation of computers and tech, the preaching of deviance and wokery, the change in our culture has been a slow march and this show ending highlighted it to me. I fear for our children.
@graememckay9972 💯 Same here, my friend; it's a truly sad state of affairs. The worst part about it is watching it all unfold and not being able to do a damn thing about it.
@johnblack9037 > EV’s are crap, you want one buy one, but don’t force this shit down my throat! I'd express exactly the same sentiment to Geoff: If you don't want one, don't buy one, but don't force this anti-EV shit down people's throats.
@@redmile999 > @anonnona8099 you don't have to watch this channel And Geoff doesn't have to think it's OK to make a living by lying to people, and yet here we are.
I am a 59yo retired professional who has never owned a brand new car. Both of my children for the last few years have been driving around in leased brand new cars. Geoff, bless him, is wholly correct and folks need to listen to him.
I am not sure. I have a 1968 ex army land rover called kit. Tax exempt, mot exempt. I have a Kia picanto, 1 litre. It is about 15 years old, also tax exempt on the small cars break since new. So in both cases tax breaks have swayed me in the way of classic/ small petrol vehicles. I agreed, I would never lease, but I wouldn't say no to an ev if I get tax break. Like it could work the other way. If a small ev tax exempt beat the Kia in running costs. I could use the extra money for a Alfa gtv..
@@alexgreen1767 People always look at the running costs, ignoring the purchase costs, and future costs. Yes, you won't have to fill your car up with 50 quids worth of fuel every week or two. You won't have to spend £50 on a gallon of oil and some filters every year or so either, but you'll have to have a charger installed, which will probably cost a grand or two, and the electricity isn't free. Neither's the cost of a new battery in 10 to 15 when it's got a range of 43 miles. Stick with the Picanto. It may be 15 years old, but it's still likely to out live any new EV.
@Snipes1702 > Both of my children for the last few years have been driving around > in leased brand new cars. THEIR CHOICE. Do you really want a world where the finance sector is told what products they may, and may not offer? Do you really want a world where car makers and dealers are told how they may and may not transact the sales of their products? Do you really want a world where people are told what they may and may not borrow money for, or how they may and may not spend their money?
@@anonnona8099 FCA states that financial products must be tailored to investors financial position, i.e - only high net worth individuals are alowed to invest in high risk assests.
Destroys the secondhand market too. Current EVs are totally disposable. We could have low-emission petrol cars that were good for 300,000 miles by now. But you got to own nothing and be happy.
You say that but really the public bought car leasing into themselves. Our generation is so materialistic now that they’d far rather get into debt to drive a flash car to flex in, rather than own an older one. And no one forced that onto them. I own a 66-reg VW polo in Mayan Blue and will keep it and run it until the bottom falls out
Yes isn’t it great; businesses are taking the hit of the initial depreciation so private buyers can buy really good EVs at terrific prices when they are 2 or 3 years old. Most have 100,000 mike warranty on the battery which is typically enough for the next 2 or 3 owners…
@@markgarnett3521 if anyone wants buy a second hand EV they really need to see what the worlds largest hire car company dumping 10’s of thousands of year old Teslas on the second hand market has to say. In short incorrect charging of an EV by renters kills the battery (which is why Hertz are left with a fleet of cars that have unusable range). Getting a car that has depreciated massively may sound like a bargain but if Tesla won’t honour the warranty the batteries on the fleet of their biggest customer, they sure as hell aren’t going to honour the warranty on a car Joe Public has bought off of Auto Trader with no proof of how the previous owner respected the charging rules. Clarkson summed up EVs perfectly. They are white goods and as such are considered disposable after a few years. No problem with that but it’s hardly a message that’s environmentally friendly.
Yet you seem to be ignoring that fact that represents only 16% of leased cars. So 84% of leased cars are ICE. “In the first nine months of 2023, Leasys registered over 169,000 new contracts in Europe, with 16% of those being for electrified vehicles.”. i.e. many ICE cars are not bought by private buyers!
My daughter is doing a masters in Architecture and she asked me to help her choose a studio in Uni, one of them has a theme called "RE-Use". In that studio is a paragraph of "The greenest building is the one that already exists" (Carl Elefante). Why can we not just change "buildings" to "cars" ? Why the push to force everyone into EVs when alot of people simply don't want them ?
A lot of people don't but a lot clearly do. Makes no sense to me to buy an ICE car if I were in the position to buy a new car. After 45 years of car ownership I bought my EV in 2019, the only new car I have ever bought. No way I am going back to having to handle a smelly fuel pump and pay the oil billionaires for the privilege..I charge at home, 100 miles pf driving costs me £1.90 and after 67,000 miles I have never had to change brake pads or discs. I am only on my second set of tyres, making nonsense of the EV haters claim that EVs get through tyres quicker than ICE. No oil changes of course and so far no range loss at all. The car is smoother, quieter and quicker off the mark than any similar sized and priced car powered by fossil fuels. No one forced me into buying the car, that's just conspiracy theory nonsense
Because building construction is very carbon intensive, and the existence of a building isn't usually associated with any significant emissions other than maybe increased heating costs with poor insulation. A car on the other hand will produce most of it's emissions during use, and because this pollution is released locally it is concentrating and affecting more people in cities instead of just being absorbed by the environment. The carbon emissions of making an EV are about twice that of an ice car, and it takes between a few weeks to nearly a year of average driving (depending on electricity sources) to break even so an changing to an EV will always be beneficial in the long term.
@@maksrambe3812 EV's are not lasting long enough to make the difference. you can build a diesel truck and drive 200,000 MILES to make the same co2 as it takes to build an EV. and thats ignoring the fact you need about 100x more rare earth metals that are mined by destroying the environment they are mined from. (and by slave labour no less). the only upside is yes, in cities the pollution is moved elsewhere. (until there is an EV on fire anyways).
There would be a very small market for city runabouts/short commute cars I reckon. Small city delivery vehicles too. Like that Citroen Ami that you don't need a full license for & you can park in tiny spaces. But no more than that.
@@tomfuller4205 there would also be no fibre optic broadband network, 4g, world wide web, oil drilling and many other area the government has subsided over the years. That comment isn't as smart as you think it is
@@papalegba6796 what part didn't you understand? The government has subsided all of what I said. All new tech gets subsidised. Let me know what part you didn't understand, I'll be happy to explain it to you
@Tyreman22 good luck having control over that in the future, when the grid "wants" your energy. It'll be made an offence to interfere with the management software.
Totally agreed Geoff. When I first got an EV in 2021, it was due to the zero company car tax and cheap electricity. All that love soon ended when winter arrived, and found that I could go as far as Birmingham from Beaconsfield. No noise. No excitement. Poor charging network. Hours wasted of my life charging. Costs equivalent to a diesel or hybrid petrol. Having to hire ICE cars to go further than 180 miles, as the charging time is ridiculous. And, they are no more reliable than an ICE. Basically, as Clarkson said, this is no more exciting than my washing machine. Car goes back in 3 weeks. It will be replaced by a diesel.
A 50y/o member of my family can’t afford to pay for urgent dental treatment, yet have a new car on the drive to travel 10 miles each day 🙄. PCP is a devils handshake between financial credit and consumerism …..pure delusion.
Legs equals freedom, and freedom equals independent thought 😂. ( Most sheePeople don't have independent thoughts they got J@Bed locked in houses and keep waching sports news as they are being programmed )
No one mandated the use of gasoline powered engines and our government did not use tax dollars to build gas stations. Anything the government wants, I automatically question their (real) motives.
so misinformed, a huge amount of government money was pumped into gasoline infrastructure, and still is. if cars weren't subsidized nobody would be able to afford them
I think some are good. Tesla makes some good vehicles (sans the "truck"), and there's a secondary market and parts breeding used for custom projects. BUT... they aren't the be-all, end all, of cars. And the infrastructure to support them is a HUGE problem. If wants one, fine. Everyone forced have them... not going to work (unless you're some vile Government type that had an agenda that has NOTHING to do with the environment or whatever.
Quentin Wilson… Is he that fully paid propaganda agent who is currently getting paid to promote WEF EVs in order to support the end of private motoring?!
funny enough, i'm not a car person at all - but, I like motors (bikes). Clarkson saying EVs are white-goods (with a pricy badge, I'll add) is brilliant!!
My son, now 22 made the decision some years ago to buy his first car a 1990 Toyota Carina. My friends daughter of similar age has bought a similar 90’s Toyota. They both see completely through the EV cult and a happy with their real cars. There is hope. I’m curious to know how it is a cheaper for someone to lease an electrical car rather than buying their own? That doesn’t make any sense. Love your channel, keep up the good work. Paul.
Wilson was a dodgy second hand car dealer that was prosecuted for clocking vehicles back in the day he’s only pushing the agenda for the💰 and Smith all he ever does is review EV’s then go on about how classic ICE vehicles are so wonderful,two face springs to mind.
Absolutely true. I recall being told by a very high up guy at BCA Brighouse in the late 1990s that he was banned from all BCA auctions. For exactly that.
One thing stands out from this particular clip from Geoff and that is Quentin Wilson. The man is an absolute reptile. I think he would sell his own grandmother if she was still alive. He is probably the worst motoring journalist in the entire history of the automobile. Not to mention he is absolutely very dislikable and slimy - he is like a double glazing salesman who will not go away. Also the wrong kind of people are on these select committees they should be balanced from both sides but that’s far too much to ask isn’t it.
I like QW, he talks about cars intelligently and he understands the damage burning fossil fuels is doing to our world. Clarkson, his former colleague on Top Gear by contrast is an entertainer and not to be taken seriously.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 incorrect - he has been paid. Clue is in the name - “motor”ing journalist. Quentin Wilson is now merely a promoter of white goods on wheels. No wonder the “select” committee (🤣🤣) invite that slug in human form to advise them as he just tells them what they want to here. The government is just a giant advert for eco maniacs who are making massive amounts of money out of it. If someone wants to go and buy an EV fine but the rest of us with a generous cluster of working brain cells should be about to go and buy what we want with what’s left of out money after Starmer has had his slimy tentacles on it.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270Quentin Wilson spends all his time talking about investment and ££££s in relation to classic cars, it's the wrong attitude and does nothing for the enthusiast, owning a classic should be a passion with any appreciation as a bonus.
This is bigger than just cars. Our freedoms and anything that makes us individuals is being taken away. Modern cars suck even the petrol/diesel ones. They are all basically the same.
I run a 27 year old C15. 50 to the gallon, over a 500kg payload, cheap parts that are still produced, easy to work on, not elctronic gubbins to go wrong, cheap tyres, cheap insurance, and so on.
All controlled through carbon credits (as wef spoke about on stage) and digital currency…..you will be controlled over every aspect of life….what you buy, food included, travel, holidays….
Today's kids won't be able to buy a classic car when they're 60 because every car from today will be scrap. Parts won't be available and the engine won't start because the subscription for the heated windscreen has expired.
@stevewest131 lol of course it won't, 2035 is when they ban the sale of new cars with ice engines, but there will still be plenty of second hand ones being driven around
@@Markcain268 Yeah you are right. It was a tongue in cheek comment. But I think new ICE will be as good as gone long before 2035. Manufacturers are ceasing production of ICE cars already, petrol prices will rise and petrol stations will start to close. Owning an ICE will be inconvenient and expensive pushing people more to EVs. Just a thought...when all cars are EVs what noises will young children make when playing with toy cars 🤔
They have just as much soul as any other car, your attitude towards it gives it "soul", there are plenty of EV enthusiasts out there that tinker and rebuild their own
They are though. I've driven most evs and they are all so boring to drive and leave me feeling the same way as a new TV. Year it's shinier and slightly sharper. In terms of driving pleasure they are not enjoyable. Once the straight line speed novelty wears off they leave me completely cold. Even my old mx5 was way more fun and enjoyable that an ev. They are white good much like modern ice cars are too.
EVs are a tricky tool needing a lot of work and thought by the owners. You only have to look at the endless detailed records regurgitated by the owners in threads with having to track and plan every parameter for every mile of their journeys.
@@dodgywheelsandropeywiring5697 I'm definitely not a supporter of electric cars, but I think free market forces would do a better job than politicians.There are actually people who appreciate electric cars and can live with them, and I wouldn't want to take that away from them.But if you depend on a working car all year round, electric cars are not an option, especially if you live in countries with sub-zero temperatures
@@karlp8484 I'm aware of the quote you have taken out of context. He was referring to consumerism changing to renting rather than owning.... subscription services, mobile phone plans, TV streaming services ie typical example streaming a movie rather than buy a DVD... nothing to do with ICE cars or EVs. Either way people will continue to own things and be happy, so fundamentally it is wrong especially when taken out of context
@@stevewest131No context needed, there is decades of the W.E.F/Davos meetings online telling us exactly what they want to do with the world and us peasants, they want to own everything and we rent it from them, Blackrock and Vanguard having been buying up new houses for the last decade and they own a lot of the companies of the products we use. Are you the sort of person who thinks the W.E.F is a force for good ?.
@@stevewest131that’s rubbish Klaus stated on video during a Davos speach that in the future we will not own cars you will simply call for a self driving electric vehicle to pick you up. In another WEF public (agenda2025?) it states that after the 15 minute cities are established there will only be community cars that you share with your neighbors. This is where the far left ideology is taking you.
As soon as someone starts calling for ‘misinformation’ to be censored you know that they are losing the argument. People have a right to say what they like on social media, providing it does not break laws and incite violence, (actual violence not hurty words/feelings).
"Who daily drives a sodding 70's Lancia?" I don't, I daily drive a sodding 70's Saab. The concept of owning a car encapsulates personal freedom, independence and ownership, three basic things the elites don't want you to enjoy. That is why EV's are being pushed upon us, not the environment.
An EV can be charged off grid via solar. That sounds like freedom to me. The ICE/EV argument is just a distraction from the real problem of all the extra tracking/ subscriptions/ monitoring that seems to be built into everything these days.
But they will continue to enjoy theirs ! Charles the Turd had his AM V8 converted by Aston Martin free of charge to run completely ( literally 100%) on grape peelings and bull excretia ! Well thats what he said and he should know. I asked Mercs to do the same to my old mercs but they told me to F off.
Thanks to the fact they make almost every part for a Moggy you can want. I personally never liked the shape but its a classic and for that alone you can appreciate it.
Great loved them served my mechanics apprenticeship while they were still on the road I would love Morris traveller remember removing the grass and weeds from the rear frame. 😢
Geoff, I always enjoy your videos. Share your love of old cars, Mercs, in general, but also Volvo 240’s, and your assessment in today’s video is spot on. Keep up the excellent and intelligent work!
An EV is not the way forward. Uses electricity which costs a bomb to charge.. you struggle to find a charger without an EV parked in it & not charging.. mined cobalt & lithium are destroying this earth at an alarming rate..you can’t destroy them at end off life or the batteries will bankrupt you if you need new ones..funny how vehicle manufacturers are slowing the EV market & yet trying their hardest to offload them all.
EVs are good for low mileage city dwellers. Not all cobalt mines use child labor. I don’t believe in banning ice, my next car will probably be a hybrid, but as Elon said, eventually we will run out off oil so we need to start developing EVs now to push the technology forward so we can extend the life of oil deposits for those that really need it.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 I’m sat here thinking, this chaps been sold the dream.. probably sat in the E.V thinking what have I done. Bit like when you buy something expensive & realise it’s crap, but carry on denying so & telling everyone it’s great. Tell me if I’m wrong?
I don't think it's EV owners vs ICE owners. My personal car is ICE but my company car is an EV. I save over £300 a month with the EV and absolutely love it but would not personally buy one
@@welshravensfan5237 fundamentally I think you agree with me . A friends son has a Tesla company car and has been quoted £27 K for a new battery !!!!!!
Nonsense. The EV market will continue to expand as batteries get more range, can be filled quicker with more places and the costs move to parity with ICE cars through time. The savings on fuel cost and servicing are significant.
Electric cars of the early 1900's originally was built for wealthy woman to use around towns .No need for starting handles ,maintainace or smelly fuel .The Model T killed them off . Electric cars are still only good as town cars and only need low tech recyclable lead acid type batteries .That's why the milk float was such a success until petrol and diesels did a better job.
@@theodorgiosan2570just got a flyer through from a milk delivery company the other day. Was nice to see it. My supermarket milk goes off pretty quickly and having fresher milk delivered daily or every other day is better than me driving to the supermarket just to get milk.
Taught my now 28 year old daughter to drive in my 89 mx5. After the starter clutch brake gears coordination, took her out on twisty flowing country road. Top down, sunny day, wind through the hair and i caught a look when she developed this massive grin and then i knew she got it.
Want to play with numbers? Cannonball run records for ICE vs EV. For those not familiar, the Cannonball Run is Red Ball Garage in NYC to Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach, California. That's ~2800 miles or 4500 km. Some background. The original run was done in 1933 and completed in 53 hours, 30 minutes. The original run was also done on 2 lane and dirt roads as the US Interstate system did not exist, and the distance far exceeded the current 2800 miles. Currently the records for ICE vs EV. ICE: 25:39. EV: 42:17. Every bit of that 16+ hour difference is time at charging stations + being forced to avoid a couple of strategic shortcuts. The Audi holding the current record also made a couple of unforced errors that cost them some time. In the personal experience category. Jan 2022, Cincinnati Ohio to Orlando Florida. Usually a 13 hr drive in an ICE vehicle. Not quite so short when it's hovering around freezing for most of your trip and you're in an EV. 33+ hours in a Model S due to crap range and inablity to get a decent charge in cold weather. Sorry, I don't purchase a car so I can sit at a charging station for half my trip.
So back in the real world, driving for more than 24 hours non-stop (even with multiple drivers) is not a requirement for 98% of the motoring public. Normal people stop every 4 hours or so and a decent EV on the appropriate chargers can pretty much go indefinitely with modest stops similar to the human needs to pee, eat and drink.
@@markgarnett3521but that’s a very expensive one on very expensive chargers that cost the same amount as buying fuel.. why would anyone want to do that? On long journeys a lot of people just swap drivers after a couple of hours, can’t do that in an ev. What’s your answer to that?
@@markgarnett3521 You don't like to read do you. 33 hours to drive what should have been a 13 hr trip. Cincinnati to Orlando because the Tesla Model S couldn't handle the cold. Normal people do drive in cold weather.
Honestly feels like the worst possible future.i see absolutely zero point in working hard if all I get to do is rent someone else's stuff. Will destroy society this movement being pushed on us. I have my own house and business. Might aswell live off the state if my hard work means nothing.
you will own nothing and you will be happy. Rent your TV programs, music and the devices to play them on. Rent your car, rent your home (ownership is for the elite, you rent from them), subscribe to get water, food and heat, subscribe to every high street shop or else you will pay 40% more (data collection = ownership of your person).
@@BobCarolgees-p8f yip what better way to have a slave nation than take away our ability to better ourselves. Obviously this only applies to the proles. The elite still get to own everything and live a free life.. Its the stupid people buying into their slavery that gets me.
EVs are a big con…these cars will not save the environment…they have limited range, takes ages to charge one, very expensive to insure and service, they are very heavy and cost a ton of money to buy….
They don't save the environment they reduce emissions, are more efficient and you can recycle the batteries, you cant recycle ICE emmissions. The range is plenty you just choose the right EV for your purpose and servicing is very little compared to ICE 🤷♂️
@@chargeheadsuk But they don't reduce emissions overall for the respective life cycles! Producing EV's are much less energy efficient in the production cycle, and the batteries are ridiculously so! The energy required to mine, transport and process all those minerals and metals needed just for battery production is insane! And the energy needed for battery production is just bonkers! And when your new EV, that requires enormously more energy all in all to build goes out in the world for being used as intended, you need to charge it. How is that electricity produced? Hydroelectric power? That's good, but the massive rivers and power dams required aren't around everywhere. Nuclear power plants? Pretty good, but not perfect. Mining is an issue, and there's a massive push for closing them all down. Solar or wind power? Very good! I'm theory... In practice it's full of problems, like producing the amount needed when it's needed. Balancing the power grid frequencies. Hot days without wind? Long, cold and dark winters? Oil and coal power plants? That makes diesel cars seem like environmental heroes in comparison! It's way more eco friendly to drive a modern diesel than an EV charged from oil or coal plants.
@@chargeheadsuk Recycling the batteries aren't really cheap, nor easy. And the analogy with can't recycle emissions is utterly flawed. Batteries are storage units for energy, just like a petrol/gas/diesel tank. It's the properties and origin of the stored energy that decides.
One for the road - was fvcking awesome - had me getting tearful - that relationship has been inspirational. They’ll be sadly missed but not by the youngsters. 17 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not watched the Clarkson and co video, I need to watch it now! I have driven a Tesla a few times to Switzerland and back to the UK but I wouldn't buy one! I try not give China a penny but its not easy!! I own too many classic cars so I do see the future is not good for them?
@@ThomasHaynes-c9f it’s just fantastic - get to a screen NOW - but make sure you got tissues/bog roll…. Enjoy 👍🌎 And thank you for doing your bit to save some classics 👍👍
Somebody already calculated the self combustion and fire stats of current EV data that shows if there were to be 300 million EVs on roads today that would be 46,000 EV fires around the world every day 🤷♂️
EVs are not the future. Tech will find a better solution. The oil industry has always fought against other solutions and many inventors have been mysteriously "terminated", with their patents disappearing into oil company archives, never to be seen again.
They probably have too few ‘quirks’.. You’ll end up reviewing the upholstery, loudness of the whine it makes and how much noise comes from the tyres on the road.
I like Johnny Smith's barn finds, but other than that, I never watch any of his electric car videos. Same Johnny Smith who ran an old Mercedes-Benz W124 on used chip fat years ago.
And maintenance/ tyres/ servicing etc. if you buy your car, you pay for all of those things from taxed income, and if you are top end tax bracket with a pension trap attached to your earnings, each £1 of taxed income requires you to earn over £2. If you lease the £30k EV, you buy a package that includes VED, maintenance, tyres and insurance into one monthly fee, which you pay before tax- so effectively at a 50% discount rather than a 100% markup. And you reduce your tax liability and the possibility that your pension will trigger a tax minefield after the fact. And finally, it runs on electricity so it costs 3p/ mile to run (if you charge overnight with Octopus at 9p per kWh) as opposed to petrol at 15-20p per mile depending on how old the engine is …
Because you don't have to find £1200 up front, pay "road" tax and buy the insurance before you put it on the road. The contract lease includes all that and EV contract lease for business use are subsidised by tax relief and you pay the first months lease costs and you drive it away. In the longer term it will cost you more but you do have a shiny new car to impress the neighbours.
@@gothmog2441you're making that very complicated. VAT is an immediate tax write off, depreciation on a business asset -20% for first year, 10% for next two years (might be a bit different, its been a few years since I did taxes) all costs are recoverable against taxman. This is the reason many taxi drivers will drive expensive cars or run second/third vehicles. Also the reason that Thrifty was, although technically a car rental firm also the biggest second hand dealer of BMW in the UK.
I've enjoyed Clarkson since forever. And last night was poignant and touching. His statements were well within truth and he could have gone a lot further. I don't see the ICE going. They won't if we say they won't.
All the EV supporters should start thinking long & hard on the production of emissions Vs emissions of production. And are they sure when they plug in their EVs it's guaranteed the electricity is produced via green means?
A site yesterday explained that EV chargers short change the amount supplied by 14% due to ac to DC and the highest short change was over 30%! Daylight robbery at the charger.
@@galloway9707where did you get this bull crap from , it has already been established that it takes more than 5 years to break even on the co2 emissions- Hyundai Kona ev versus Kona ice, and that was only if you recharged at home, using renewable energy, longer if you used fossil fuels, and didn’t take into account recycling at end life of the car. Anyone who thinks ev’s are green, need to have a better look at facts, oh I mean real facts, not made up ones by evangelists.
@markziff7234 What makes you think EV supporters are all interested in the environment? Could just be a fan of EVs for the current company car tax system. For example, a 20% tax payer, £40k Tesla, annual benefit in kind calculated on 2% of value, £800, annual cost of car to that individual, maintenance, tax, insurance, etc, £800 x 20% = £160. That’s equivalent to the vehicle tax alone of a band D petrol car built before 2017.
He heh. I was driving my mate's Boxter on a twisty B road. Had a pillock in a Tesla move up right up my six. I figured he was trying to goad me into flooring it, but we came to a lovely sweeping bend and I showed him what his milk float couldn't do. He backed off after that.
@@sussertheoriginal Nice invented story. Do explain what “your mate’s Boxter” could do on this, imaginary, “sweeping bend” that the Tesla “couldn’t do”! Tesla Model 3 , 0-62 mph in 2.9 seconds. Top speed 163mph. “Your mate’s Boxter 0-62mph 4.6 seconds. Top speed 177mph. Tesla has a lower centre of gravity too, so would stick to your “sweeping” road better. Seems to me that the “milk float” would match your “mates Boxter” easily. Next invented scenario please!
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534Your Tesla needs a longer braking distance than an oil tanker and weighs almost as much 😆😆😆 ⛴ so fitting for you as you're a bit of a w⚓
@@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt Your nappy disguised as a loincloth needs changing, old pal! I do not own a Tesla. Or, are you not aware there are other makes of EV available? Tesla model 3 (after Ota update) stops in 133’ from 60 mph, which is comparable to any of your carcinogenic, fume spewing, gas guzzling, 19 century technology, ICE jalopies. The ‘24 model Y stops in 112’. The model S comes to a standstill in 104’! Not too shabby. The average for a medium sized SUV / car is 134’ larger SUVs stop in 143’. You need to check your facts and stats before posting your rude, petty comments. Oh, and it seems typical of your brand of anti EV Luddite types, to descend into name calling! I think you will find that learned people in the psychology field would tell you that is the response of those that are losing the argument. Try again, Shakespeare.
@@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt Your nappy disguised as a loincloth needs changing, old pal! I do not own a Tesla. Or, are you not aware there are other makes of EV available? Tesla model 3 (after Ota update) stops in 133’ from 60 mph, which is comparable to any of your carcinogenic, fume spewing, gas guzzling, 19 century technology, ICE jalopies. The ‘24 model Y stops in 112’. The model S comes to a standstill in 104’! Not too shabby. The average for a medium sized SUV / car is 134’ larger SUVs stop in 143’. You need to check your facts and stats before posting your rude, petty comments. Oh, and it seems typical of your brand of anti EV Luddite types, to descend into name calling! I think you will find that learned people in the psychology field would tell you that is the response of those that are losing the argument. Try again, Shakespeare.
@@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt Your nappy disguised as a loincloth needs changing, old pal! I do not own a Tesla. Or, are you not aware there are other makes of EV available? Tesla model 3 (after Ota update) stops in 133’ from 60 mph, which is comparable to any of your carcinogenic, fume spewing, gas guzzling, 19 century technology, ICE jalopies. The ‘24 model Y stops in 112’. The model S comes to a standstill in 104’! Not too shabby. The average for a medium sized SUV / car is 134’ larger SUVs stop in 143’. You need to check your facts and stats before posting your rude, petty comments. Oh, and it seems typical of your brand of anti EV Luddite types, to descend into name calling! I think you will find that learned people in the psychology field would tell you that is the response of those that are losing the argument. Try again, Shakespeare.
I thought Jonny Smith's barn find videos were about the tinkering to get the old cars running, not going to be much tinkering changing a 13 amp fuse in a plug.
There won't be any EV barn finds because once the battery is kaput, that is the end of it unless someone comes up with new battery technology. Even then, I don't know how much the enthusiast will be safe taking apart something like a leaky EV battery, they're not consumer serviceable.
"this week we've brought a £15,000 battery pack to Leeds to see if we can get this Kia Soul out of the garage it's been sitting in for 7 months"... not the same really s it?
In London, it has become very costly to drive classic/older cars. An increasing number of older drivers have already been price out. ULEZ is a big contributor to that, but the authorities are constantly looking for new ways to make driving even more costly, such as Controlled Parking Zones. The authorities will keep pushing their agenda until it becomes prohibitively expensive to drive anywhere in an older vehicle.
Any vehicle over 40 years old is tax,mot and ulez exempt. The now rampant control parking zones is a nightmare when visiting my housebound elderly mother straight from work on my motorbike as they don't have motorbike bays as in central London.
@@AutoAndChill Yes, but at 33 years old my car won't qualify for classic car status for another 7 years. That's a lot of ULEZ charges before it becomes exempt. And that assumes they don't phase out classic status by that point.
Modern Day Diesels with Euro 6 are so clean that if you drive them in London or Paris, it will actually CLEAN the air in those cities. Soon Euro 7 is about to come out and those engines are even cleaner by a huge margin. Petrol engines are actually dirtier than Diesels these days.
None.of that matters, it's not like government policies are actually based on facts, the real world or God forbid anything that would benefit their electorate. Applies to everything not just cars......unfortunately
You ae incorrect. While emissions from diesels are very low, they are complex machines to achieve this. Certain emissions from diesel are carsonagenic and emit sulphur di-oxide and carbon particles which are known to be harmful. The diesels also burn off the collected emissions in one go by adding fuel to these which emits black smoke.
My wife’s car a Mazda Miata is 35 years old but is only used during our Canadian summers for obvious reasons. She loves the car as it is simple with no bells and whistles, she is also disabled but has no problems with the stick shift.
I have a 1989 NA and absolutely love it, my second between owning one in the UK and Australia. Gear shift is sublime and I hope she gets to enjoy it for many years.
I mean TG/GT had run out of steam several years ago, they did well to keep it going, and the presenters were getting too old for the gruelling schedule
Well said Geoff.I lease a 2023 ICE car & also own a 1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 Vogue SE.Don't get me wrong the Skoda Kodiaq is a nice drive & has all the bells & whistles but other than topping up the washer fluid don't do anything to maintain it so feel no connection to it whatsoever. The RR on the other hand has caused me so much frustration, stress & cost me a fortune over the years to keep running but as soon as I fire her up & rev that beautiful V8 engine all is forgotten & could never part with her.
Before I retired in April this year, my employer's company car policy required drivers to choose a BEV, unless there was a very good reason not too. As my work took me all over the UK mainland, including to some remote places, I was able to avoid this choice. But, the vehicle list was so biased towards BEVs my choice was limited. Ended up with mild hybrid Seat Leon as there were only about 5 suitable cars for me out of the list of 50! Retired now and bought myself a diesel Skoda Octavia Scout. Whenever I've needed a personal car, I've always gone for a diesel estate; suits my needs perfectly. Keep up great work, Geoff
Put it another way. How far would an EV get in ANY of the Top Gear or Grand Tour challenges? There is a bigger world than the western one out there and EV are not up to snuff in most of it.
@@Treeesmithagain absolute non sense. The peak UK Elec usage is way below what it was 10 years ago and the grid can cope. Most EVs charge at night when overall demand is low. It would be helpful if you researched what you are claiming.
@@galloway9707 Yes, the grid can absolutely handle the amount of vehicles that are required to charge, especially overnight. But it is difficult to argue that this EV adoption is prominent in the Western world and in already developed countries. It requires much more than just time for 3rd world countries with other priorities to develop the infrastructure, especially if we haven’t even managed to do it properly yet.
The goal is no cars for anyone. They want you stuck in one place, unable to travel for new opportunities, transport goods or tools or anything else you need to make money or start businesses, move to a larger home further away from the city so can start a family, nothing whatsoever.
They, they being people in the UN and other international organizations, exactly so in documents that have been publically availible for decades. None of this is secret, they just rely on idiots like you not to pay attention
International organizations like the UN say these are their goals in publically availible documents. Why should generally be obvious but since we need a firm argument to counter people who'll attack disengously because they consider themselves political allies of the establishment (you aren't in the club), they want total solidification of social and economic class. Private ownership of things that drastically increase your capability, like vehicles, make you a threat to centralized power. A small business owner is always going to want less regulation and smaller government. They keep money in local communities rather than the majority of it being siphoned off to a mega-corporation. Depending on the market and conditions, they might even be able to disrupt corporate dominance. They want your paycheck to just cover your rent and subscriptions with nothing left over to cause trouble.
This is the video you need to watch.... Geoff and Barrie discuss how second hand EVs are destroying the car industry
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Took my son back to Uni yesterday. His new digs are 20 to 50 feet inside the Clean Air Zone.
Pssssst! Geoff ... one word ... motorbikes. Fast, visceral, cheap, you own them, affordable to run, you can maintain them yourself, no tech overload ... its time. Get yourself a toy and get your leathers on. It will scratch all your itches. I never looked back and I'm not renting a £70,000 car for the same kind of enjoyment.
@@markhutton6055 remove your plates.
@@mrscreamer379 roads are far too dangerous for me to buy a bike!
@@GeoffBuysCars students aren't known for washing up
As Tony from EV Carnage says "the future my arse". Clarkson is a legend and that Wilson fella in a nob. 👍
Wilson is a World Class 🍆 with bows on it 😂
Something tells me "future my arse" won't age well
@@stevewest131The future certainly won’t age well. It’s looking rank already.
Proper knob!
Clarkson is a legend & speaks the truth..
paulschofield985
Does he really speak the truth or is he biased
@@andypicken7848 Every one is biased we all have opinions however electric cars do not do what is written on the tin.
He's a drunken racist thug. Nothing more.
@@andypicken7848Clarkson may well be biased, but that doesn't mean to say it's not the truth.
Clarkson is a self centred twat who speaks whatever will get him publicity.
Quentin Weasel 😂😂😂 fully charged W⚓️!!
Follow the money, all will be revealed
Grease nipple. Leaks lubricant.
I live in a terraced house how the hell am i supposed to charge it, Does Quentin know...
@@MrRaffles1234 hi rise flats ???
exactly right!
It is a shame this video got demonitised. Watching this again just for the sake of it.
Does anyone ever get a lower price renewal quote for their insurance anymore, despite not having any accidents, claims or convictions. There’s definitely a scam going on.
All us ICE car drivers are paying over tha odds for our insurance in order to pay for the losses on electric vehicles. A bloody outrage.
@@BULLEAD I saw a video on TV of an Asian gang provoking accidents by stopping at clear roundabouts making the car behind run into them,then claiming for personal injury . Someone in adjacent office building noticed how regular it was and the Police caught them.
I know, they are really hammering this now. I am in my early 50s, nice area, classed as retired, no points and my no claims is intact. A couple of years back I got a Audi TT convertible and managed to get insurance for it that was the same per month as my previous, much smaller engine Mx5. And for the last three years my renewal quote has been astronomical. Just an increase that is out of all proportion, and NOTHING in my circumstances have changed. If they can insure me for a year, fully comp with all the bells and whistles at less than £30 a month, then why think I will stay with them if they suddenly decided they want £95 a month!!! And that is with yet another year of no claims. Nothing you say will budge them on price, so I cancel and go elsewhere. This keeps happening. Just renewed in September again this year and I am now down to £18 a month with AVIVA compared to what my last company wanted to up my payments to...and it was more than three times that price....I am sure next September I will be axing Aviva to go elsewhere as they will renew quote me something like £150 a month....
@@bonalba20I do question that. I had an EV, a Tesla Model 3 Performance, I know I know, I was a fool. I now have a 2010 Civic Type R before you judge 😅 Anyway, I pay £350 for that but… the Tesla was £800 plus! I agree, we are paying more for ICE these days but EV owners are certainly getting shafted too, it doesn’t make sense.
car prices are going up to much.
sealed unit headlights that cost £1000 to replace instead of 200, wing mirrors that cost 800 quid instead of 300.
It's pretty obvious why the insurance prices keep going up.
EV's add to this with crap battery tech that car makers charge far too much money for.
I used to shake my head at the local boy racers, but now I'm bloody glad to see them. There are young people who really do love their cars.
Same. I grew up around car culture, and I sort of hated it at the time, but I don't think you realise what you lost until its gone. Cars represented a kind of freedom, one part of it. I don't see that we're replacing car culture with anything meaningful
@@HowToSpec The same guy's I'd see in corsa's, polo's and fiesta's are now all driving financed M2's and A3's. Just to give them back in a few years or however long they can afford it.
Saw a herd of older diesel VAG cars/wagons with untasteful mods and that tractor sound mod fly past the other week, that made me smile.
I'm in America and it's becoming more and more rare to see car enthusiasts in the lower and middle class. For most that aren't upper class cars are their entire lifestyle.
Ho ho ho. There's a local youth here who's gone full bore with the popping exhaust etc etc. I feel like waving as he goes past.
Eh? Are you arguing the case for dangerous driving? This is desperate stuff
It's an end of an era. I'm 50and grew up with Clarkson and Co. My world has changed so much from the innocence of my childhood, through the implementation of computers and tech, the preaching of deviance and wokery, the change in our culture has been a slow march and this show ending highlighted it to me. I fear for our children.
Who's children?
They will be programmed to know nothing else but a globalist woke culture.
@graememckay9972 💯 Same here, my friend; it's a truly sad state of affairs. The worst part about it is watching it all unfold and not being able to do a damn thing about it.
The state of the world is quickly spinning down the drain. 😢
Has it occurred to you that every generation has said that?
EV’s are crap, you want one buy one, but don’t force this shit down my throat!
@johnblack9037
> EV’s are crap, you want one buy one, but don’t force this shit down my throat!
I'd express exactly the same sentiment to Geoff:
If you don't want one, don't buy one, but don't force this anti-EV shit down people's throats.
@@anonnona8099 you don't have to watch this channel
@@redmile999
> @anonnona8099 you don't have to watch this channel
And Geoff doesn't have to think it's OK to make a living by lying to people, and yet here we are.
I watched the last episode of the Grand Tour, and Clarkson was spot on. Driving an EV is as appealing as driving a fridge freezer.
I am a 59yo retired professional who has never owned a brand new car. Both of my children for the last few years have been driving around in leased brand new cars. Geoff, bless him, is wholly correct and folks need to listen to him.
I am not sure. I have a 1968 ex army land rover called kit. Tax exempt, mot exempt. I have a Kia picanto, 1 litre. It is about 15 years old, also tax exempt on the small cars break since new. So in both cases tax breaks have swayed me in the way of classic/ small petrol vehicles. I agreed, I would never lease, but I wouldn't say no to an ev if I get tax break. Like it could work the other way. If a small ev tax exempt beat the Kia in running costs. I could use the extra money for a Alfa gtv..
@@alexgreen1767 People always look at the running costs, ignoring the purchase costs, and future costs.
Yes, you won't have to fill your car up with 50 quids worth of fuel every week or two. You won't have to spend £50 on a gallon of oil and some filters every year or so either, but you'll have to have a charger installed, which will probably cost a grand or two, and the electricity isn't free. Neither's the cost of a new battery in 10 to 15 when it's got a range of 43 miles.
Stick with the Picanto. It may be 15 years old, but it's still likely to out live any new EV.
@Snipes1702
> Both of my children for the last few years have been driving around
> in leased brand new cars.
THEIR CHOICE.
Do you really want a world where the finance sector is told what products they may, and may not offer?
Do you really want a world where car makers and dealers are told how they may and may not transact the sales of their products?
Do you really want a world where people are told what they may and may not borrow money for, or how they may and may not spend their money?
@@anonnona8099 errrrm, all those things are true already.
@@anonnona8099 FCA states that financial products must be tailored to investors financial position, i.e - only high net worth individuals are alowed to invest in high risk assests.
Well said Clarkson!!
@@supersaabclaire EV’s are in fact, domestic appliances
EV's and leasing is just a stepping stone to removing cars altogether.
Destroys the secondhand market too. Current EVs are totally disposable. We could have low-emission petrol cars that were good for 300,000 miles by now. But you got to own nothing and be happy.
Oh yes, the Chinese government invested billions in electric cars so they could get rid of them? Be serious
You say that but really the public bought car leasing into themselves. Our generation is so materialistic now that they’d far rather get into debt to drive a flash car to flex in, rather than own an older one. And no one forced that onto them. I own a 66-reg VW polo in Mayan Blue and will keep it and run it until the bottom falls out
@@AutoAndChillEVs do 300,000 miles easily on the same battery
So, a cheap and efficient method of transport, and a way to fund it, were developed to take cars off you? Yeah, that makes sense.
Only 1 in 11 EV buyers are private buyers. Says it all.
Yes isn’t it great; businesses are taking the hit of the initial depreciation so private buyers can buy really good EVs at terrific prices when they are 2 or 3 years old. Most have 100,000 mike warranty on the battery which is typically enough for the next 2 or 3 owners…
@@markgarnett3521 yes businesses being able to claim 100% capital allowance for EVs seems a very big hit to me lol
@@markgarnett3521 if anyone wants buy a second hand EV they really need to see what the worlds largest hire car company dumping 10’s of thousands of year old Teslas on the second hand market has to say.
In short incorrect charging of an EV by renters kills the battery (which is why Hertz are left with a fleet of cars that have unusable range).
Getting a car that has depreciated massively may sound like a bargain but if Tesla won’t honour the warranty the batteries on the fleet of their biggest customer, they sure as hell aren’t going to honour the warranty on a car Joe Public has bought off of Auto Trader with no proof of how the previous owner respected the charging rules.
Clarkson summed up EVs perfectly. They are white goods and as such are considered disposable after a few years. No problem with that but it’s hardly a message that’s environmentally friendly.
Yet you seem to be ignoring that fact that represents only 16% of leased cars. So 84% of leased cars are ICE. “In the first nine months of 2023, Leasys registered over 169,000 new contracts in Europe, with 16% of those being for electrified vehicles.”. i.e. many ICE cars are not bought by private buyers!
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534 I'm specifically referring to EV buyers only in my comment.
My daughter is doing a masters in Architecture and she asked me to help her choose a studio in Uni, one of them has a theme called "RE-Use". In that studio is a paragraph of "The greenest building is the one that already exists" (Carl Elefante). Why can we not just change "buildings" to "cars" ? Why the push to force everyone into EVs when alot of people simply don't want them ?
Because, as Geoff would say, choice, or even the EVs themselves, is/are not the point.
The point is to simply phase out personal travel altogether.
A lot of people don't but a lot clearly do. Makes no sense to me to buy an ICE car if I were in the position to buy a new car. After 45 years of car ownership I bought my EV in 2019, the only new car I have ever bought. No way I am going back to having to handle a smelly fuel pump and pay the oil billionaires for the privilege..I charge at home, 100 miles pf driving costs me £1.90 and after 67,000 miles I have never had to change brake pads or discs. I am only on my second set of tyres, making nonsense of the EV haters claim that EVs get through tyres quicker than ICE. No oil changes of course and so far no range loss at all. The car is smoother, quieter and quicker off the mark than any similar sized and priced car powered by fossil fuels. No one forced me into buying the car, that's just conspiracy theory nonsense
Because ICE cars are bloody killing us ! Good enough ?
Because building construction is very carbon intensive, and the existence of a building isn't usually associated with any significant emissions other than maybe increased heating costs with poor insulation. A car on the other hand will produce most of it's emissions during use, and because this pollution is released locally it is concentrating and affecting more people in cities instead of just being absorbed by the environment. The carbon emissions of making an EV are about twice that of an ice car, and it takes between a few weeks to nearly a year of average driving (depending on electricity sources) to break even so an changing to an EV will always be beneficial in the long term.
@@maksrambe3812 EV's are not lasting long enough to make the difference. you can build a diesel truck and drive 200,000 MILES to make the same co2 as it takes to build an EV. and thats ignoring the fact you need about 100x more rare earth metals that are mined by destroying the environment they are mined from. (and by slave labour no less). the only upside is yes, in cities the pollution is moved elsewhere. (until there is an EV on fire anyways).
There would be no EV market without government interference.
There would be a very small market for city runabouts/short commute cars I reckon. Small city delivery vehicles too. Like that Citroen Ami that you don't need a full license for & you can park in tiny spaces. But no more than that.
@@tomfuller4205 there would also be no fibre optic broadband network, 4g, world wide web, oil drilling and many other area the government has subsided over the years. That comment isn't as smart as you think it is
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@@darrentaylordigital lol wut?
@@papalegba6796 what part didn't you understand? The government has subsided all of what I said. All new tech gets subsidised. Let me know what part you didn't understand, I'll be happy to explain it to you
A fake solution to a problem that doesn't exist."You will own nothing and you will be happy"
The EV movement is about giving the Government the ability to control whether your car will even run!
No there is no movement.. there are no grassroots groups , everything is top down
Rubbish, Just charge your car using solar.
@Xsommer....
Are you sure you didn't just smoke way too much cannabis 🌿
They're going to control us with EVs and cameras I tell ya! They can turn them all off when they want! 🤣
@Tyreman22 good luck having control over that in the future, when the grid "wants" your energy. It'll be made an offence to interfere with the management software.
Totally agreed Geoff. When I first got an EV in 2021, it was due to the zero company car tax and cheap electricity. All that love soon ended when winter arrived, and found that I could go as far as Birmingham from Beaconsfield.
No noise. No excitement. Poor charging network. Hours wasted of my life charging. Costs equivalent to a diesel or hybrid petrol. Having to hire ICE cars to go further than 180 miles, as the charging time is ridiculous. And, they are no more reliable than an ICE.
Basically, as Clarkson said, this is no more exciting than my washing machine.
Car goes back in 3 weeks. It will be replaced by a diesel.
Yes, so range and network are the main issues. It’s improving slowly.
The boringness of ev is just as important anyone that is a car enthusiast will tell you that part of the fun is the road of the engine
A 50y/o member of my family can’t afford to pay for urgent dental treatment, yet have a new car on the drive to travel 10 miles each day 🙄. PCP is a devils handshake between financial credit and consumerism …..pure delusion.
A car equals freedom, freedom equals independent thought. Independent thought equals agenda questioning 😮
Assuming there is an agenda not just that you want to believe there is.
A bicycle equals freedom, freedom equals random associations, random associations equals 90s rave culture.
Point made perfuctly.
Legs equals freedom, and freedom equals independent thought 😂.
( Most sheePeople don't have independent thoughts they got J@Bed locked in houses and keep waching sports news as they are being programmed )
that is simply absurd.
And that is a corner stone of a well functioning society.
Clarkson is a national treasure and is totally right
😂😂😂😂
The froggies will not be bullied by their government. I know, I have lived amongst them and survived.
time to take some carpentry lessons also a bit of blacksmithing for the moving part
No one mandated the use of gasoline powered engines and our government did not use tax dollars to build gas stations. Anything the government wants, I automatically question their (real) motives.
😂 oh yes there was. The gasoline/oil companies was very succefull in lobbying.
so misinformed, a huge amount of government money was pumped into gasoline infrastructure, and still is. if cars weren't subsidized nobody would be able to afford them
@@matswessling6600 True, the LA electric Tram system was killed by car makers, it's an interesting story!
In america the prohibition was put in place to destroy ethanol alcohol fuel and replace it with gasoline.
@@Theweouthereforrealclub- Good point.
Hammering us on the insurance. Mine's gone up £100 on renewal.
He's absolutely spot on brilliant well said 👏.
EV'S, an Impractical solution to an Imaginary problem
🎯💯
I think some are good. Tesla makes some good vehicles (sans the "truck"), and there's a secondary market and parts breeding used for custom projects.
BUT... they aren't the be-all, end all, of cars. And the infrastructure to support them is a HUGE problem. If wants one, fine. Everyone forced have them... not going to work (unless you're some vile Government type that had an agenda that has NOTHING to do with the environment or whatever.
Underrated comment
Have you seen the floods in Europe? Hottest year on record? What is imaginary about this? Tell that to the dead in Austria this week…
Jonny Smith is right! At least he has a functioning brain… unlike this channel…
Quentin Wilson… Is he that fully paid propaganda agent who is currently getting paid to promote WEF EVs in order to support the end of private motoring?!
@@Angus_____ I thought so!
You need to check under your bed. Klaus Schwab is waiting for you... you guys are hilarious
Robert Llewelyn and Dan Caesar are his partners in the Ed Miliband lobbying group…
@@justanothername5199 How many jabs have you had?
@@Weird.Dreams Klaus schwab Was under my bed... that's how i know you need to check. It's Real. They arw after you. Trust me bro
funny enough, i'm not a car person at all - but, I like motors (bikes). Clarkson saying EVs are white-goods (with a pricy badge, I'll add) is brilliant!!
My son, now 22 made the decision some years ago to buy his first car a 1990 Toyota Carina. My friends daughter of similar age has bought a similar 90’s Toyota. They both see completely through the EV cult and a happy with their real cars. There is hope. I’m curious to know how it is a cheaper for someone to lease an electrical car rather than buying their own? That doesn’t make any sense. Love your channel, keep up the good work. Paul.
Across Zimbabwe in an EV, now there's a good 30 second programme.
Noting wrong EVs mate.Just fix your country.
Wilson was a dodgy second hand car dealer that was prosecuted for clocking vehicles back in the day he’s only pushing the agenda for the💰 and Smith all he ever does is review EV’s then go on about how classic ICE vehicles are so wonderful,two face springs to mind.
That makes sense, he's always seemed very greasy and something about him isnt right
Did know that about him but I've always thought I wouldn't buy a car from him.
i really liked him in the old top gears but hes sold his soul to the devil.
Absolutely true. I recall being told by a very high up guy at BCA Brighouse in the late 1990s that he was banned from all BCA auctions. For exactly that.
I dunno man, you can like both I say that as a guy with a clapped out meriva 😂
Ronald Regan once stated: "The 9 most terrifying words are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help !!!!!
One thing stands out from this particular clip from Geoff and that is Quentin Wilson. The man is an absolute reptile. I think he would sell his own grandmother if she was still alive. He is probably the worst motoring journalist in the entire history of the automobile. Not to mention he is absolutely very dislikable and
slimy - he is like a double glazing salesman who will not go away. Also the wrong kind of people are on these select committees they should be balanced from both sides but that’s far too much to ask isn’t it.
Very well said.
I like QW, he talks about cars intelligently and he understands the damage burning fossil fuels is doing to our world. Clarkson, his former colleague on Top Gear by contrast is an entertainer and not to be taken seriously.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 incorrect - he has been paid. Clue is in the name - “motor”ing journalist. Quentin Wilson is now merely a promoter of white goods on wheels. No wonder the “select” committee (🤣🤣) invite that slug in human form to advise them as he just tells them what they want to here. The government is just a giant advert for eco maniacs who are making massive amounts of money out of it. If someone wants to go and buy an EV fine but the rest of us with a generous cluster of working brain cells should be about to go and buy what we want with what’s left of out money after Starmer has had his slimy tentacles on it.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270Quentin Wilson spends all his time talking about investment and ££££s in relation to classic cars, it's the wrong attitude and does nothing for the enthusiast, owning a classic should be a passion with any appreciation as a bonus.
This is bigger than just cars. Our freedoms and anything that makes us individuals is being taken away. Modern cars suck even the petrol/diesel ones. They are all basically the same.
never buy a car with remote shutoff. one day they will just stop you from driving.
I run a 27 year old C15.
50 to the gallon, over a 500kg payload, cheap parts that are still produced, easy to work on, not elctronic gubbins to go wrong, cheap tyres, cheap insurance, and so on.
Total control, no cars and locked in 15 minute citizen
Only if you give in to there whims man or mouse comes to mind 😂😂
@@nonecomformistme932 *their
*cities
Advanced technology doesn't mean they're going to control you mate. Calm down and cheer up a bit
All controlled through carbon credits (as wef spoke about on stage) and digital currency…..you will be controlled over every aspect of life….what you buy, food included, travel, holidays….
Not just car ownership. You will own nothing.
And they will be happy.
You will own nothing and ........ there you go 🤷♀️
Interesting take Geoff. I think I'd like to have a conversation with you about this.
I'd definately watch that! Won't be hard to poke holes in his retoric. 🤷♂️
Today's kids won't be able to buy a classic car when they're 60 because every car from today will be scrap. Parts won't be available and the engine won't start because the subscription for the heated windscreen has expired.
Not entirely right...
(1)...My 7 year old grandson is a petrolhead already
(2)...EVs are not white goods, they're shyte goods.
Carry on....
"My 7 year old grandson is a petrolhead already" erm, he can't learn to drive for another 10 years. Petrol will be gone by then 🤣
When a fridge can be more interesting than a modern car we have problems 😂
@stevewest131 lol of course it won't, 2035 is when they ban the sale of new cars with ice engines, but there will still be plenty of second hand ones being driven around
@@Markcain268 Yeah you are right. It was a tongue in cheek comment. But I think new ICE will be as good as gone long before 2035. Manufacturers are ceasing production of ICE cars already, petrol prices will rise and petrol stations will start to close. Owning an ICE will be inconvenient and expensive pushing people more to EVs.
Just a thought...when all cars are EVs what noises will young children make when playing with toy cars 🤔
EVs have no soul they are just a tool. That is fine, but dont take away the machines people love.
To be fair, most ICE cars are just the same in that regard.
They have just as much soul as any other car, your attitude towards it gives it "soul", there are plenty of EV enthusiasts out there that tinker and rebuild their own
They are though. I've driven most evs and they are all so boring to drive and leave me feeling the same way as a new TV. Year it's shinier and slightly sharper. In terms of driving pleasure they are not enjoyable. Once the straight line speed novelty wears off they leave me completely cold.
Even my old mx5 was way more fun and enjoyable that an ev. They are white good much like modern ice cars are too.
And a pretty useless tool at that, over £50k for 2 ton of endless inconvenience!!
EVs are a tricky tool needing a lot of work and thought by the owners. You only have to look at the endless detailed records regurgitated by the owners in threads with having to track and plan every parameter for every mile of their journeys.
If electric cars were not a purely political decision, maybe they could be made to work.
Doesn't really matter mate, they could never have made the special if even a single presenter had took an EV.
@@dodgywheelsandropeywiring5697 I'm definitely not a supporter of electric cars, but I think free market forces would do a better job than politicians.There are actually people who appreciate electric cars and can live with them, and I wouldn't want to take that away from them.But if you depend on a working car all year round, electric cars are not an option, especially if you live in countries with sub-zero temperatures
@@klimatbluffen Guaranteed.
@@klimatbluffen you do know there is no car ever that has not been made with government subsidies don’t you? Free market is just BS
Bolloticks ( W3f w ⚓️s) should stay out of the open market
I'm with Jeremy on this... EVs are soulless boxes for which I have no interest and zero desire to own.
How DARE you desire freedom. You will own NOTHING, and you WILL be happy. And remember, Big Brother LOVES you.
Only electric car I have is radio control for a tenner
You wuz robbed!
WEF: "You will own nothing and be happy". It's not a secret.
No, it's not a secret. It's called a conspiracy theory
@@stevewest131 The reason why my comment is in italics is because that is a direct quote from Klaus Schwab, the leader of the WEF.
@@karlp8484 I'm aware of the quote you have taken out of context. He was referring to consumerism changing to renting rather than owning.... subscription services, mobile phone plans, TV streaming services ie typical example streaming a movie rather than buy a DVD... nothing to do with ICE cars or EVs.
Either way people will continue to own things and be happy, so fundamentally it is wrong especially when taken out of context
@@stevewest131No context needed, there is decades of the W.E.F/Davos meetings online telling us exactly what they want to do with the world and us peasants, they want to own everything and we rent it from them, Blackrock and Vanguard having been buying up new houses for the last decade and they own a lot of the companies of the products we use. Are you the sort of person who thinks the W.E.F is a force for good ?.
@@stevewest131that’s rubbish Klaus stated on video during a Davos speach that in the future we will not own cars you will simply call for a self driving electric vehicle to pick you up.
In another WEF public (agenda2025?) it states that after the 15 minute cities are established there will only be community cars that you share with your neighbors. This is where the far left ideology is taking you.
Consume. Waste.
Consume. Waste.
Consume. Waste.
Consume. Waste.
Not just cars.
yep, they never talk about this and how electronic manufacturing is a colossal polluting industry - the most toxic processes.
EV bordering on useless here in Australia. Even in the UK there is insufficient electrical infrastructure to support the wholesale adoption of them.
EVs are perfect for getting groceries or other short errands. There is no way I would chance it driving one long distance.
As soon as someone starts calling for ‘misinformation’ to be censored you know that they are losing the argument. People have a right to say what they like on social media, providing it does not break laws and incite violence, (actual violence not hurty words/feelings).
Please don't censor the conspiracy theorists, I think they're ace 🤣
@@stevewest131 ok chatbot 😂
"Who daily drives a sodding 70's Lancia?" I don't, I daily drive a sodding 70's Saab.
The concept of owning a car encapsulates personal freedom, independence and ownership, three basic things the elites don't want you to enjoy. That is why EV's are being pushed upon us, not the environment.
An EV can be charged off grid via solar. That sounds like freedom to me. The ICE/EV argument is just a distraction from the real problem of all the extra tracking/ subscriptions/ monitoring that seems to be built into everything these days.
@@Dan-qd6gc...a couple of solar panels strapped to the roof rack?
@@phildavies6020 sure, so long as you don't want to drive far.
@@Dan-qd6gc Ah, But would you have to sit in a lay-by and wait for some sunshine if it was overcast or raining?
But they will continue to enjoy theirs ! Charles the Turd had his AM V8 converted by Aston Martin free of charge to run completely ( literally 100%) on grape peelings and bull excretia ! Well thats what he said and he should know.
I asked Mercs to do the same to my old mercs but they told me to F off.
Well there is a 20 something running round near me in a Morris Minor - he uses it a lot and its in very good condition
Thanks to the fact they make almost every part for a Moggy you can want. I personally never liked the shape but its a classic and for that alone you can appreciate it.
Great loved them served my mechanics apprenticeship while they were still on the road I would love Morris traveller remember removing the grass and weeds from the rear frame. 😢
I bet his mates rip the piss out of him something rotten. He's got the slowest most unreliable car in his town
My 25 year old son drives a reliant robin.
Geoff, I always enjoy your videos. Share your love of old cars, Mercs, in general, but also Volvo 240’s, and your assessment in today’s video is spot on. Keep up the excellent and intelligent work!
An EV is not the way forward.
Uses electricity which costs a bomb to charge.. you struggle to find a charger without an EV parked in it & not charging.. mined cobalt & lithium are destroying this earth at an alarming rate..you can’t destroy them at end off life or the batteries will bankrupt you if you need new ones..funny how vehicle manufacturers are slowing the EV market & yet trying their hardest to offload them all.
EVs are good for low mileage city dwellers. Not all cobalt mines use child labor. I don’t believe in banning ice, my next car will probably be a hybrid, but as Elon said, eventually we will run out off oil so we need to start developing EVs now to push the technology forward so we can extend the life of oil deposits for those that really need it.
@@nigelliam153 Nonsense ! Synthetic fuel is already here ....!
Apart from the fact that everything you said is total BS, thanks for the comedy comment.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
I’m sat here thinking, this chaps been sold the dream.. probably sat in the E.V thinking what have I done.
Bit like when you buy something expensive & realise it’s crap, but carry on denying so & telling everyone it’s great.
Tell me if I’m wrong?
@@henchy3rd You're wrong. Next question
EV are destroying private ownership
You will own nothing and be happy....
So are the wefminster lot
UrbanoDagrippino
How so ?
@@andypicken7848 possibly because they tie you into a life cycle of lease payments.
@@drd6416wefminster 😂 love it gotta use that one
People who like EV’s have already bought one and they need to save face . The majority don’t want an EV . Manufacturers are stock piling these cars .
I don't think it's EV owners vs ICE owners. My personal car is ICE but my company car is an EV. I save over £300 a month with the EV and absolutely love it but would not personally buy one
@@welshravensfan5237 fundamentally I think you agree with me . A friends son has a Tesla company car and has been quoted £27 K for a new battery !!!!!!
@@ColinGarner-h1t exactly, great as a comapnay car not so great to own
Nonsense. The EV market will continue to expand as batteries get more range, can be filled quicker with more places and the costs move to parity with ICE cars through time. The savings on fuel cost and servicing are significant.
@@galloway9707 around £300 savings per month for me. Most it comes from the very low BIK figure attached to EVs
Electric cars of the early 1900's originally was built for wealthy woman to use around towns .No need for starting handles ,maintainace or smelly fuel .The Model T killed them off . Electric cars are still only good as town cars and only need low tech recyclable lead acid type batteries .That's why the milk float was such a success until petrol and diesels did a better job.
Jay Leno has a few early electric cars
Milk floats were actually very good for their job. Supermarkets killed off milk delivery, and the milk float with it.
@@_dude..Some places still have milk delivery but it's very rare today. The milkman today drives a bread truck.
@@theodorgiosan2570just got a flyer through from a milk delivery company the other day. Was nice to see it. My supermarket milk goes off pretty quickly and having fresher milk delivered daily or every other day is better than me driving to the supermarket just to get milk.
Ev is ok with sodium ion batteries
Owners of electric cars should have some cost responsibility towards the eventual battery disposal they plan on lumbering everyone else with.
The batteries will be recycled into new ones and used for battery storage 🤷♂️
@@chargeheadsuk off course they all will.
@@bunning63 prove me wrong 🤷♂️
@@bunning63 nice PS13 BTW. I've had 3 x S14's and an R33 GTSt.
Best ranter -with 100% mirror perspective of my own thoughts - on YT 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Taught my now 28 year old daughter to drive in my 89 mx5. After the starter clutch brake gears coordination, took her out on twisty flowing country road. Top down, sunny day, wind through the hair and i caught a look when she developed this massive grin and then i knew she got it.
I had two mark 1 mx-5s (not at the same time😂) and drove mine to Switzerland with my late father. Great memories!
Wish mine was still on the road, especially today 😥😥😥
@@lynndonharnell422 The MX-5 is perfect for that
a lucky man indeed
Plus you can get a well cared for older MX5 for very little money.
Want to play with numbers? Cannonball run records for ICE vs EV. For those not familiar, the Cannonball Run is Red Ball Garage in NYC to Portofino Hotel in Redondo Beach, California. That's ~2800 miles or 4500 km. Some background. The original run was done in 1933 and completed in 53 hours, 30 minutes. The original run was also done on 2 lane and dirt roads as the US Interstate system did not exist, and the distance far exceeded the current 2800 miles.
Currently the records for ICE vs EV. ICE: 25:39. EV: 42:17. Every bit of that 16+ hour difference is time at charging stations + being forced to avoid a couple of strategic shortcuts. The Audi holding the current record also made a couple of unforced errors that cost them some time.
In the personal experience category. Jan 2022, Cincinnati Ohio to Orlando Florida. Usually a 13 hr drive in an ICE vehicle. Not quite so short when it's hovering around freezing for most of your trip and you're in an EV. 33+ hours in a Model S due to crap range and inablity to get a decent charge in cold weather.
Sorry, I don't purchase a car so I can sit at a charging station for half my trip.
So back in the real world, driving for more than 24 hours non-stop (even with multiple drivers) is not a requirement for 98% of the motoring public. Normal people stop every 4 hours or so and a decent EV on the appropriate chargers can pretty much go indefinitely with modest stops similar to the human needs to pee, eat and drink.
@@markgarnett3521but that’s a very expensive one on very expensive chargers that cost the same amount as buying fuel.. why would anyone want to do that? On long journeys a lot of people just swap drivers after a couple of hours, can’t do that in an ev. What’s your answer to that?
@@markgarnett3521 You don't like to read do you. 33 hours to drive what should have been a 13 hr trip. Cincinnati to Orlando because the Tesla Model S couldn't handle the cold. Normal people do drive in cold weather.
Brilliant post sir 👏 Beautifully researched and written. Stay strong and keep up the fight for personal freedom and independence 💪
There's a better form of transport for long distance travel. It starts with a T and ends in rain.
Subscription model is the goal for everything. Even water & food.
Honestly feels like the worst possible future.i see absolutely zero point in working hard if all I get to do is rent someone else's stuff. Will destroy society this movement being pushed on us. I have my own house and business. Might aswell live off the state if my hard work means nothing.
you will own nothing and you will be happy.
Rent your TV programs, music and the devices to play them on.
Rent your car, rent your home (ownership is for the elite, you rent from them), subscribe to get water, food and heat, subscribe to every high street shop or else you will pay 40% more (data collection = ownership of your person).
@@thistimeimherethat's the idea, work is for fools in upside down world has been since thatcher and Regan
@@BobCarolgees-p8f yip what better way to have a slave nation than take away our ability to better ourselves. Obviously this only applies to the proles. The elite still get to own everything and live a free life.. Its the stupid people buying into their slavery that gets me.
and air
Great analysis Geoff. I think you're right on the money!!
Like i say among my group "EVs work great for people who probably dont need cars in the first place"
We are currently living thru peak ice.
And - sadly we have yet to reach peak Starmer. 🤦♂️
No. Starmer peaked just before he made his first policy decision. It's a very, very long downhill 5 years from there.
@@TheSpuggiehawk my point exactly - we haven’t had peak starmlin cos we’ve still got 4 yrs of him, and his govts tyrannical overreach.
I would not get in an EV I would rather avoid the EMF's and walk.
The EMF will be very harmful to children.
Same reason you don't buy a house under power lines.
Just rich people arguing over which of their car's they are going drive, Ev's are dead like their batteries
This is luddite thinking
@@galloway9707 Speak clearly boy don't use old man hip hop terms.
Look the word up in google. Every day can be a school day unless you are stuck in the past.
@@galloway9707 I'm not STUCK in the past!, i'm stuck in the NOW, the future is not even here!.
@@galloway9707 Ludidte is someone who is opposed to new tech which is wrong think we have the technology works just fine pal.
Well said Jeff. The uk is almost determined to run all cars off the road.
5th Gear have actually $h!t the bed as far as viewers are concerned.
0-60 in 3 seconds?
How long from 20 to 30 and back to 20, is a lot more important in todays traffic.
A better one for EV's is full retail price to scrap value.
Best get an EV then
@@zippyatrainbow One pothole.
As soon as the battery box gets scratched, it's scrap.
How many EV drivers crash because they fall asleep through being bored shitless? We need to be told.
EVs are a big con…these cars will not save the environment…they have limited range, takes ages to charge one, very expensive to insure and service, they are very heavy and cost a ton of money to buy….
And manufacturing them (especially the batteries) does much more damage to the environment than ICE cars.
They don't save the environment they reduce emissions, are more efficient and you can recycle the batteries, you cant recycle ICE emmissions. The range is plenty you just choose the right EV for your purpose and servicing is very little compared to ICE 🤷♂️
@@chargeheadsuk But they don't reduce emissions overall for the respective life cycles!
Producing EV's are much less energy efficient in the production cycle, and the batteries are ridiculously so! The energy required to mine, transport and process all those minerals and metals needed just for battery production is insane! And the energy needed for battery production is just bonkers!
And when your new EV, that requires enormously more energy all in all to build goes out in the world for being used as intended, you need to charge it.
How is that electricity produced? Hydroelectric power? That's good, but the massive rivers and power dams required aren't around everywhere.
Nuclear power plants? Pretty good, but not perfect. Mining is an issue, and there's a massive push for closing them all down.
Solar or wind power? Very good! I'm theory... In practice it's full of problems, like producing the amount needed when it's needed. Balancing the power grid frequencies. Hot days without wind? Long, cold and dark winters?
Oil and coal power plants? That makes diesel cars seem like environmental heroes in comparison! It's way more eco friendly to drive a modern diesel than an EV charged from oil or coal plants.
@@chargeheadsuk Recycling the batteries aren't really cheap, nor easy.
And the analogy with can't recycle emissions is utterly flawed. Batteries are storage units for energy, just like a petrol/gas/diesel tank.
It's the properties and origin of the stored energy that decides.
One for the road - was fvcking awesome - had me getting tearful - that relationship has been inspirational.
They’ll be sadly missed but not by the youngsters.
17 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not watched the Clarkson and co video, I need to watch it now! I have driven a Tesla a few times to Switzerland and back to the UK but I wouldn't buy one! I try not give China a penny but its not easy!! I own too many classic cars so I do see the future is not good for them?
@@ThomasHaynes-c9f it’s just fantastic - get to a screen NOW - but make sure you got tissues/bog roll….
Enjoy 👍🌎
And thank you for doing your bit to save some classics 👍👍
Somebody already calculated the self combustion and fire stats of current EV data that shows if there were to be 300 million EVs on roads today that would be 46,000 EV fires around the world every day 🤷♂️
EVs are not the future. Tech will find a better solution. The oil industry has always fought against other solutions and many inventors have been mysteriously "terminated", with their patents disappearing into oil company archives, never to be seen again.
"You can't review them." That spoke volumes.
I like clarkson and TG but they haven’t actually reviewed cars for 15 years.
They probably have too few ‘quirks’.. You’ll end up reviewing the upholstery, loudness of the whine it makes and how much noise comes from the tyres on the road.
I like Johnny Smith's barn finds, but other than that, I never watch any of his electric car videos. Same Johnny Smith who ran an old Mercedes-Benz W124 on used chip fat years ago.
Agreed.
Does he do ev barn finds ?
@@royblackburn1163 😅😅😅
@@royblackburn1163 that's another reason. They want us I an ev. You won't be able te recommission a ev after 20 yrs in a barn
He's boring, and his content is boring. Probably why he finds EVs so interesting
Mr Money Thicko here. How is a £30,000 car cheaper than a £1200 car?
He didn't make it clear, but he was talking about the cost to insure them.
And maintenance/ tyres/ servicing etc. if you buy your car, you pay for all of those things from taxed income, and if you are top end tax bracket with a pension trap attached to your earnings, each £1 of taxed income requires you to earn over £2.
If you lease the £30k EV, you buy a package that includes VED, maintenance, tyres and insurance into one monthly fee, which you pay before tax- so effectively at a 50% discount rather than a 100% markup. And you reduce your tax liability and the possibility that your pension will trigger a tax minefield after the fact.
And finally, it runs on electricity so it costs 3p/ mile to run (if you charge overnight with Octopus at 9p per kWh) as opposed to petrol at 15-20p per mile depending on how old the engine is …
If you are going to drive into central London every day.
Because you don't have to find £1200 up front, pay "road" tax and buy the insurance before you put it on the road. The contract lease includes all that and EV contract lease for business use are subsidised by tax relief and you pay the first months lease costs and you drive it away. In the longer term it will cost you more but you do have a shiny new car to impress the neighbours.
@@gothmog2441you're making that very complicated. VAT is an immediate tax write off, depreciation on a business asset -20% for first year, 10% for next two years (might be a bit different, its been a few years since I did taxes) all costs are recoverable against taxman. This is the reason many taxi drivers will drive expensive cars or run second/third vehicles. Also the reason that Thrifty was, although technically a car rental firm also the biggest second hand dealer of BMW in the UK.
I will never own an ev as long as I live !
They want 'everyone' in EVs because they can be remotely controlled. As can the power supply.
I've enjoyed Clarkson since forever. And last night was poignant and touching. His statements were well within truth and he could have gone a lot further. I don't see the ICE going. They won't if we say they won't.
All the EV supporters should start thinking long & hard on the production of emissions Vs emissions of production.
And are they sure when they plug in their EVs it's guaranteed the electricity is produced via green means?
A site yesterday explained that EV chargers short change the amount supplied by 14% due to ac to DC and the highest short change was over 30%! Daylight robbery at the charger.
It has been well proven that the life of an EV is better for the enviornment than the equivelent ICE.
@@galloway9707where did you get this bull crap from , it has already been established that it takes more than 5 years to break even on the co2 emissions- Hyundai Kona ev versus Kona ice, and that was only if you recharged at home, using renewable energy, longer if you used fossil fuels, and didn’t take into account recycling at end life of the car. Anyone who thinks ev’s are green, need to have a better look at facts, oh I mean real facts, not made up ones by evangelists.
@markziff7234
What makes you think EV supporters are all interested in the environment? Could just be a fan of EVs for the current company car tax system. For example, a 20% tax payer, £40k Tesla, annual benefit in kind calculated on 2% of value, £800, annual cost of car to that individual, maintenance, tax, insurance, etc, £800 x 20% = £160. That’s equivalent to the vehicle tax alone of a band D petrol car built before 2017.
They should stop thinking about emissions entirely and start concentrating on what is the right car for them.
5:55 "Reminds you of a time you were free." Right, and we're not free anymore.
... says the grumpy old man....
The Government has lost out on 22 billion in fule tax duty, due to people buying EVs, so we will be paying for that.
Jolly good then. I pay no tax on my EV and I fill it up at home. Thanks for supporting me.
He heh. I was driving my mate's Boxter on a twisty B road. Had a pillock in a Tesla move up right up my six. I figured he was trying to goad me into flooring it, but we came to a lovely sweeping bend and I showed him what his milk float couldn't do. He backed off after that.
@@sussertheoriginal Nice invented story. Do explain what “your mate’s Boxter” could do on this, imaginary, “sweeping bend” that the Tesla “couldn’t do”!
Tesla Model 3 , 0-62 mph in 2.9 seconds. Top speed 163mph.
“Your mate’s Boxter 0-62mph 4.6 seconds. Top speed 177mph.
Tesla has a lower centre of gravity too, so would stick to your “sweeping” road better.
Seems to me that the “milk float” would match your “mates Boxter” easily.
Next invented scenario please!
@@geoffersvoiceofreason2534Your Tesla needs a longer braking distance than an oil tanker and weighs almost as much 😆😆😆 ⛴ so fitting for you as you're a bit of a w⚓
@@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt Your nappy disguised as a loincloth needs changing, old pal! I do not own a Tesla. Or, are you not aware there are other makes of EV available?
Tesla model 3 (after Ota update) stops in 133’ from 60 mph, which is comparable to any of your carcinogenic, fume spewing, gas guzzling, 19 century technology, ICE jalopies.
The ‘24 model Y stops in 112’. The model S comes to a standstill in 104’! Not too shabby.
The average for a medium sized SUV / car is 134’ larger SUVs stop in 143’.
You need to check your facts and stats before posting your rude, petty comments.
Oh, and it seems typical of your brand of anti EV Luddite types, to descend into name calling! I think you will find that learned people in the psychology field would tell you that is the response of those that are losing the argument.
Try again, Shakespeare.
@@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt Your nappy disguised as a loincloth needs changing, old pal! I do not own a Tesla. Or, are you not aware there are other makes of EV available? Tesla model 3 (after Ota update) stops in 133’ from 60 mph, which is comparable to any of your carcinogenic, fume spewing, gas guzzling, 19 century technology, ICE jalopies. The ‘24 model Y stops in 112’. The model S comes to a standstill in 104’! Not too shabby. The average for a medium sized SUV / car is 134’ larger SUVs stop in 143’. You need to check your facts and stats before posting your rude, petty comments. Oh, and it seems typical of your brand of anti EV Luddite types, to descend into name calling! I think you will find that learned people in the psychology field would tell you that is the response of those that are losing the argument. Try again, Shakespeare.
@@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt Your nappy disguised as a loincloth needs changing, old pal! I do not own a Tesla. Or, are you not aware there are other makes of EV available? Tesla model 3 (after Ota update) stops in 133’ from 60 mph, which is comparable to any of your carcinogenic, fume spewing, gas guzzling, 19 century technology, ICE jalopies. The ‘24 model Y stops in 112’. The model S comes to a standstill in 104’! Not too shabby. The average for a medium sized SUV / car is 134’ larger SUVs stop in 143’. You need to check your facts and stats before posting your rude, petty comments. Oh, and it seems typical of your brand of anti EV Luddite types, to descend into name calling! I think you will find that learned people in the psychology field would tell you that is the response of those that are losing the argument. Try again, Shakespeare.
I thought Jonny Smith's barn find videos were about the tinkering to get the old cars running, not going to be much tinkering changing a 13 amp fuse in a plug.
There won't be any EV barn finds because once the battery is kaput, that is the end of it unless someone comes up with new battery technology. Even then, I don't know how much the enthusiast will be safe taking apart something like a leaky EV battery, they're not consumer serviceable.
"this week we've brought a £15,000 battery pack to Leeds to see if we can get this Kia Soul out of the garage it's been sitting in for 7 months"... not the same really s it?
He see's the benefits in EV's as well as ICE
EV's will never get old enough to be a Classic, Meaning Even an classic Allegro will be worth more.
Funnily enough, Johnny Smith has a pretty nice Allegro
In London, it has become very costly to drive classic/older cars. An increasing number of older drivers have already been price out. ULEZ is a big contributor to that, but the authorities are constantly looking for new ways to make driving even more costly, such as Controlled Parking Zones. The authorities will keep pushing their agenda until it becomes prohibitively expensive to drive anywhere in an older vehicle.
Can't you get free tax and ULEZ if you have an over 40 year old classic? Thought that was a loophole.
Any vehicle over 40 years old is tax,mot and ulez exempt.
The now rampant control parking zones is a nightmare when visiting my housebound elderly mother straight from work on my motorbike as they don't have motorbike bays as in central London.
@@AutoAndChill Yes, but at 33 years old my car won't qualify for classic car status for another 7 years. That's a lot of ULEZ charges before it becomes exempt. And that assumes they don't phase out classic status by that point.
What a boring world it will be… with EVs buzzing around?!! 🤬
@@fiona8646 Not to mention quieter and no health endangering pollutants flying about ruining kids lungs.
Absolutely Spot on Geoff!!!!
Modern Day Diesels with Euro 6 are so clean that if you drive them in London or Paris, it will actually CLEAN the air in those cities.
Soon Euro 7 is about to come out and those engines are even cleaner by a huge margin.
Petrol engines are actually dirtier than Diesels these days.
None.of that matters, it's not like government policies are actually based on facts, the real world or God forbid anything that would benefit their electorate. Applies to everything not just cars......unfortunately
You ae incorrect. While emissions from diesels are very low, they are complex machines to achieve this. Certain emissions from diesel are carsonagenic and emit sulphur di-oxide and carbon particles which are known to be harmful. The diesels also burn off the collected emissions in one go by adding fuel to these which emits black smoke.
Problem for euro 6/7 sure super clean emissions but you find the engine sooting up. Diesel engines become expensive headaches in that regard.
@@russellhenderson4608 Our Euro 6 diesel doesn't soot up, have you ever owned one?
@@yngndrw. Sadly yes the egr been replaced twice under warranty. Now out of warranty. Next time it fails I get it cleaned. Easy enough to take off.
My wife’s car a Mazda Miata is 35 years old but is only used during our Canadian summers for obvious reasons. She loves the car as it is simple with no bells and whistles, she is also disabled but has no problems with the stick shift.
I have a 1989 NA and absolutely love it, my second between owning one in the UK and Australia. Gear shift is sublime and I hope she gets to enjoy it for many years.
He is free to have his opinion and if he doesn't want to carry on because he doesn't like the way things are going you can't force him to review them.
I mean TG/GT had run out of steam several years ago, they did well to keep it going, and the presenters were getting too old for the gruelling schedule
Well said Geoff.I lease a 2023 ICE car & also own a 1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 Vogue SE.Don't get me wrong the Skoda Kodiaq is a nice drive & has all the bells & whistles but other than topping up the washer fluid don't do anything to maintain it so feel no connection to it whatsoever. The RR on the other hand has caused me so much frustration, stress & cost me a fortune over the years to keep running but as soon as I fire her up & rev that beautiful V8 engine all is forgotten & could never part with her.
Before I retired in April this year, my employer's company car policy required drivers to choose a BEV, unless there was a very good reason not too. As my work took me all over the UK mainland, including to some remote places, I was able to avoid this choice. But, the vehicle list was so biased towards BEVs my choice was limited. Ended up with mild hybrid Seat Leon as there were only about 5 suitable cars for me out of the list of 50!
Retired now and bought myself a diesel Skoda Octavia Scout. Whenever I've needed a personal car, I've always gone for a diesel estate; suits my needs perfectly.
Keep up great work, Geoff
Put it another way. How far would an EV get in ANY of the Top Gear or Grand Tour challenges?
There is a bigger world than the western one out there and EV are not up to snuff in most of it.
The national grid can't cope with everyone putting the kettle on during ad breaks so how the heck could it charge all the milk floats
@@Treeesmithnever seen a 400+bhp milk float 😂
Give it time....
@@Treeesmithagain absolute non sense. The peak UK Elec usage is way below what it was 10 years ago and the grid can cope. Most EVs charge at night when overall demand is low. It would be helpful if you researched what you are claiming.
@@galloway9707 Yes, the grid can absolutely handle the amount of vehicles that are required to charge, especially overnight. But it is difficult to argue that this EV adoption is prominent in the Western world and in already developed countries. It requires much more than just time for 3rd world countries with other priorities to develop the infrastructure, especially if we haven’t even managed to do it properly yet.
Geoff, you are absolutely spot on, remember the days when you could tinker with your car on a Saturday. Not anymore. 🙁
The goal is no cars for anyone. They want you stuck in one place, unable to travel for new opportunities, transport goods or tools or anything else you need to make money or start businesses, move to a larger home further away from the city so can start a family, nothing whatsoever.
No cars for anyone I tell ya! It's going to happen I tell ya!
They, they being people in the UN and other international organizations, exactly so in documents that have been publically availible for decades. None of this is secret, they just rely on idiots like you not to pay attention
Why on earth would that be a goal for any government?
International organizations like the UN say these are their goals in publically availible documents. Why should generally be obvious but since we need a firm argument to counter people who'll attack disengously because they consider themselves political allies of the establishment (you aren't in the club), they want total solidification of social and economic class.
Private ownership of things that drastically increase your capability, like vehicles, make you a threat to centralized power. A small business owner is always going to want less regulation and smaller government. They keep money in local communities rather than the majority of it being siphoned off to a mega-corporation. Depending on the market and conditions, they might even be able to disrupt corporate dominance. They want your paycheck to just cover your rent and subscriptions with nothing left over to cause trouble.
@@staticoverlay You really are barking mad.
Quentin Wilson used to be a car dealer selling petrol and diesel and classic cars😮😮 hypocrite