Suggestion: add a snow stop just above the plumbing vent. If enough snow is shedding off the roof to damage a light fixture, the snow will eventually destroy that vent pipe as well. Snow stops (or diverters) above vent pipes are typically wedge shaped similar to a cricket above chimney. Great content and keep up the good work. 😊
I am fully impressed! It's just a complete th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!
Metalmasters in Mchenry IL manufacturers snow gems and various other snow retention products. The Dynamic fastener system is very good. We usually close a corner of the face of the bar so the black strip of metal doesnt slip out with the wind. Awesome video!
Always depresses me to watch how detail oriented you are. I shopped hard for my post frame builder and they still didn't do half the stuff you do to protect the building (muddy work boots on the roof, scratches everywhere from when they dragged panels across each other, etc). I hope your customers appreciate your efforts.
I tried throwing bars over individual doors and air conditioners in the past and it worked, but the part of the bar that is left unsecured floating on the ends always ended up bent up by heavy snow sliding next to it. In the end I just put bars down the entire line and haven't had any problems. Definitely agree that throwing something above the vent pipes can make sense as well. I've had a chimney pipe get ripped out mid roof one year. Anything at the bottom would have been long gone. Depends on how often and how much snow the roof gets before shedding as well. Usually here it would build up all winter and only really shed towards spring, so holding it a few extra weeks didn't really change much other than avoiding damages.
We use the S-5 system on all of our standing seam jobs, it's pricey but is a must here in PA. We warn all of our customers of the damage that is going to occur if they don't install it, crushed landscaping, torn off gutters, damaged porch roofs, and anything else that is under it.
This is DynaGard, which is a design that was stolen from S-5 when the patents expired. Snow guards are always a good idea, even though it seems counter intuitive sometimes. Crazy to see what all a snow avalanche can destroy.
Great video! My camp is in Boonville NY and winter snow load is 70 pounds per square foot. One winter the snow took out my chimney which is 2/3 of the way up the roof. Needless to say, I had someone add something to retain the snow above the chimney. Works great
Great instructional vid as always. You noted that the bottom row is suggested to be at 12" from the fascia, but your eave overhang should be considered. I believe the manufacturer says that the bottom row should be placed on the roof plumb with the wall below the overhang. This ensures the snow load doesn't cause any failures on long overhangs. I doubt this is much issue on a low slope like yours, but the snow on my 12:12 roof transfers a significant load to the snow guards. Just my $0.02
Very Helpful!! My house has a 12:12 pitch also, and was built in 1938! One of the best things about this antique (aside from 8' ceilings) are the 2 1/2' eaves. Very cooling in the summer. I need to look at the interior roof structure again, but to set bars too far out would definitely do damage. I was only about 5 minutes away from getting caught in a 4' deep snow avalanche myself. I know we need protection. Thanks!💜
Those work great. Sucks many in Tahoe this year with the high amount of snow we are getting, those are preventing the snow from coming off causing roofs to implode into houses.
For as long as I've watched your channel it's been intriguing to me how the rain gutters last. Around here when the snow slides off it usually takes the gutters with it. The stops aren't generally used because of the weight of the snow building up and stressing the trusses. Guessing because heavy wet snow is more common here than dry powder
IMO the gutter is mounted too high. Most installers want to be right up at the eave line to prevent overshoot of water. In snow conditions the gutter has to be in the sweet spot where water gets caught but snow can slide over the top. I’m in NW Montana and we get decent amount of snow and I’ve never had a gutter taken down.
@@bpdp379 yeah in Canada your gutter goes 1" below the roof line at the outside edge. Sliding snow should go right over the gutter that way. If you gutter is catching snow it is too high for sure.
Great intro. A most for all videos. About the installation, usually I place the first and last bracket and then align the middle ones with a string or a laser.
I have a built in 1900 farmhouse with a 8/12 pitch standing seam roof . Living along the Indiana/Michigan state line I can tell you that a single row snow dam is no where near enough . It does slow things down but I don't want to be standing under there when it lets go . Will have to look into adding a second row on my roof now , Thanks Guys !
One thing to take in to consideraton is the snowload. If you do live in an area with a lot of snow, you should have snowguards on each side of the roof, so you dont get uneven distribution of load on the roof. But as always, great vid:)
In Finland we install snow bars for the entire width of the roof and also two in row. If we do like you innthis video snow will pull those off.@@RRBuildings
I liked the mounting on those snowstoppers. We have some very slippery stone on our roof, and I had to change a few stones each year due to the force/ weight on the snow stoppers, until we had a company install a few extra snow stoppers “mid-roof” and above vents. Just having the forces a bit more distributed with more mounts and more stoppers on the roof made all the difference. I have not changed stones the last 4-5 years.
Nice job, we've used those with S5 clips in the mountains of washington state. We had one failure after an epic snow dump (similar to california this year) due to not having enough rows going up the roof. 26ga can only hold so much weight. In the mid-west i think your fine
This is DynaGard, which is a design that was stolen from S-5 when the patents expired. S-5! has a calculator on their website that can help make sure you get enough rows next time. 26ga is only so strong for sure.
Thank you for a great video. I live in Minnesota and no snow bars were put on when the steel roof installed. I get large blocks of ice falling off the roof. It damages the siding, can break light fixtures, etc. Plus removing these huge ice blocks off the porch is a pain.
Kyle, really like this product. I’ve had my roof for 2 years now. Originally I had a clip type of fastener and didn’t like it at all. This one is what I might get. Little pricey, but worth it in the long run. Thanks.
Finally an answer how to prevent this. We have an exposed fastener metal roof that is 25yrs old. We bought the house 5 yrs ago and have had 2 really bad snow winters since we got here - our first winter and last winter. OMG the avalanches of snow - have crushed 3 BBQs on the patio, ripped all our gutters off, ripped out all the vents on the roof (now venting through the walls). When we bought the house the seller had what they called snow breaks on the roof - turns out it was only drip edge that was used as a break. That wasn't good enough - the sliding snow has ripped almost all those off (a couple are hanging bent half on/half off. Wish I could get you to come fix ours.....
Yeah, well excuse me for being critical here dude-man-bro; but... OK. I got nuthin. You freakin rock man. I'm definitely putting these over my entrance on the new build that starts in 1 month. Thanks for sharing.
use sno-jacks or snow gaurds or sno jax there are a million names for them. The are a small plastic device about an inch and a half wide that looks like a self sticking out perpendicular to the roof. They are held on with an adhesive. They do hold the snow in place for a while, but what they are really good at is breaking up the snow sheet that is sliding down the roof. breaks up the snow, so it doesn't get heavy enough to do that sort of damage.
Great video. I am not very experienced installing metal roofs, my business partner is but I definitely want to get better so I can work on my own projects instead of passing them to him. My questions is, can you install those bars on Nor-Clad (screw down) roofs?
Any cheaper options for two 40' spans? Especially if two rows are needed? I aways thought metal roofs were the best option out there until I owned one. I live in northern Minnesota (A lot of snow). New seamless gutters in the summer, those are now bent flat and barely hanging on. My front porch has been ripped off the ledger and the amount of snow built up around the house is currently touching the flattened gutters. What a nightmare! With the prices I've seen for just an 8' section of this snow bar and the amount of them I'd need, I'm starting to wonder if I should just tear it off and put up shingles...🤦
Brandon, sorry you are experiencing these issues. It sounds like your contractor led you to believe that a metal roof was the greatest roof out there. I deal with this on almost a daily basis, misinformed customers. I explain all of the issues that you are describing to all of my customers and more often than not end up installing shingles. Metal roof's are great, but they come with a lot of extra expense. I.e. larger gutters and snow retention.
I have the same snap seam metal roof on my house. It's a 4/12 pitch. Do you have a recommendation for gutter guard that works? We rely on on our water for the cistern.
Great product designed for standing seam roofs, my only question would be the swinging sections inbetween each rib , do they move once the bar is secured and would there be any chance of the wind rattling them over time and wearing out the rubber seals causing alloy on steel friction?.
12 inch pounds = 1 foot pound. Need a different torque wrench but the easy way might be to tighten one screw down with the torque wrench once, then check which setting on the impact driver most closely matches it. 10-13ft. lbs = 120 to 156 inch pounds so there is some wiggle room. just a thought on it.
If ever you were worried about how much pressure you're applying with your impact driver. You could have a look after a few tries with a torque wrench. Great vid btw
Thats what i do, use the impact to tighten it just enough to hold there, and then another guy comes behind tightening it to the specific lb torque. Theyre a pain in the ass to set with just the torque ratchet
I would assume so. He said he doesn't really like using them because of that though. People should just minimize man doors on eve sides to eliminate some of these issues.
Kyle, do they make these systems for sunshine? I live in Arizona, and during the hot summers here, sunshine really accumulates up there and then just comes pouring over the edge of my roof. The rain gutters really do nothing to stop it. It can become quite uncomfortable if you get caught underneath it. I once saw a guy get an instant sunburn when he was caught under the sunvalanche. He was lucky he didnt get heat stroke. Plus then you have to spend hours shoveling that sunshine off your walk. Now if there were a way to catch all that accumulated sunlight with my solar panels... Anyways, thanks for the video guys. I enjoy and appreciate your content.
simple and minimally invasive ... the fixing system without drilling the sheet metal is excellent ... no water infiltration. generally in our area it is preferable to install the bars along the entire eaves line and shaped steel plates riveted on the rib of the plate are used. I'll ask you a question: here in Italy we have the obligation to install fall arrest systems on the roofs made up of poles and ropes or plates or hooks (at the designer's discretion) for any future maintenance. Don't you have this obligation?
I can see how those can trap water and create pools around joints and fastener holes. i don't have any entrances or vents on the sides that get snow and ice sliding off, would rather just have it slide off instead I am thinking of installing gutters though, installing them low enough for sliding ice to avoid would probably work
I'm sure you're right if one doesn't get you, the other one will my main issue is erosion, 40x60 pole barn structure on a very steep slope and clay soil. most of it from rain roof runoff. also thought about doing French drains or drainage channels where the runoff hits the ground to capture most of it. gutters probably would get wiped out by ice sliding off keep up the amazing work been watching you for years and learned so much
I've been told the snowboards serve not only to hold snow until it can melt away, but to break it up into smaller bits when it slides and hit the rails. I don't know, but that seems to make sense.
Grease the threads of the hardware. Steel into aluminum will corrode. Also, the plastic piece you slid in, what keeps that from sliding out over time? A little silicone when sliding it in would hold it.
Those clamps are specifically made for metal roofs, im sure that they have thought about that and changed something to prevent that. And the little pieces you slide in and usually tight to fit so they wont really slide out overtime as theres nothing to really have it slide out
Cool video. I just had a barn built in Wyoming last year and have a side load 8x8 garage door under an eve and I've built up about 5+ foot drifts next to it - something like this would be useful but my roof is the ribbed steel with fasteners so would probably need a different system than what you used.
Here’s an example. th-cam.com/video/O9aIdKkk0KE/w-d-xo.html I use this version here in Montana and it works perfectly. My first row is on the eave purlins and next row was second purlin up. If the roof has sheeting it’s less critical on where you mount to.
@RRBuildings We are starting a new post frame shop 36'x83' and I was wondering where you get the jugs to keep your chains in, all the chains we have found do not come with a jug or they come in a bucket....
Nice video I am clueless on these things. We had one fall off last winter on our Breckenridge home. I had no clue how they were attached Called a roofing company to come reattach They said all need to be replaced because they were installed wrong….$2500 bid $$$$$$ I just wanted the one put back up. I’m going to crawl up there and do it myself Everything looks just like what you installed on video Pretty simple How can they be installed wrong when all you do is clamp them to the ridge ????
I once worked in facility w/o snow bars. When the snow came off the roof it like an avalanche. A safety hazard and the gutters came down with the snow. $13,000 dollars to replace the commercial gauge gutters.
Guy in my area walked out of a Chik Fil A and was creamed by an avalanche off the roof - ice and it knocked him out. Consussion to boot. They acted like it happened all the time and it probably did since they had no protection to stop it. I lost trackl of him but I hope sued the hell out of them! My roof slides but onto another lower roof but it shakes the entire house when it goes!
If you are in say southern Indiana where we dont get as much snow as you can just install the 1' off the edge row or still do both rows? Do you have a link for this product?
@@RRBuildings yah, was just curious about a final walkthrough/overview. Unless I missed something, the last thing I remember about it was the door trims and countertops.
Hey Kyle, this is pretty much the exact same strategy we have when installing solar panels on standing seam. The product you used looks to be something that works hand in hand with S5! Clamps. They make a clamp for every profile of metal roofing you can imagine. Awesome product and always much more simple than what people would expect.
Fair is fair in the business world when patents expire. At that point the design is up for grabs, the inventor deemed to have made his money by then. It's not theft, but perfectly legal and indeed encouraged. Manufacturers, including American ones, regularly search the soon-to-expire patents, looking for opportunities. @@jonmoss4007
Having a metal roof and the snow and ice coming off and been a known item for years. On my metal roof I do not want the snow and ice staying up there. Over time you can get a build up which can lead to more problems then you want to deal with. So let it snow.
Be careful if installing solar panels, as they create a perfect slippery surface for snow to slide on. We had the beefiest snow bars installed for years without issues, then added solar panels and the first winter had a horrific roof avalanche that could have ended lives..
The person who built the house/apartment we live in did such a bad job. The shape of the house is very weird and kilos/tons of snow drop on our tilted wall/windows (bedroom) day and night - which makes it impossible to sleep without fearing broken windows and injuries. It's incredibly loud too. Can those avalanches break windows?
It almost looks like the bars should be the other way around. From a force perspective, the L brackets would hold back the weight of the snow better the other way around. Not as aesthetic, no doubt.
Kyle…convert foot pounds to inch pounds (= 156 inch pounds). Purchase an inch pound torque wrench, which are relatively inexpensive, and 1/2 the size of a 3/8” drive foot pound torque wrench and you’re good to go. The point made from another subscriber supporting the possibility of voiding the mfg. warranty is then eliminated. Simple solution and the correct application redacting any liability on your behalf.
Get yourself a couple of suitable torque wrenches, you may need to prove you used the specified torque values to ensure you validate the manufacturers warranty. Those battery operated drivers are good, but not for ensuring the torque values are correct
Here in Sweden “snörasskydd” are mandated to have over every entrance, so a lot of options exist. One popular example, for standing seam roofs: th-cam.com/video/0oFbZa92prQ/w-d-xo.html
Help me out here guys / gals: wouldn't you not want these in areas where snow loading could be an issue like in norcal right now? I mean I see the deliberate use here and think it's a non-issue in this case, but it makes me wonder.
I mean would you rather have the snow slowly fall off in small chunks, or after a heavy snowfall, a day later have all of it fall off at once? Like in socal it should be removed by hand when it gets to a point or trimmed off. But the stuff happeneing in socal is so unexpected no one was prepared for it so most metal roofs dont have them out there i think
@Josh re: norcal I think unexpected depends on how long you lived there - the old timers say this is normal - everyone else who moved into the hills in the last 10 years was caught off guard!
@Persistent Wind its just that it normally doesnt snow there every season. I live in vancouver bc, and we rarely get snow but with the small snowfall we do have, most people go crazy (i grew up in a place where it snowed 6 months of the year so im used to it) but even then its more common to snow here than over there and people are already thrown off here. So even though it does rarely snow there, if it hasnt snowed in the past 5 years there its still completely unexpected because i doubt anyone throws on their winter tires, etc during the "winter months" while there or store their exotic cars for the winter months.
Snow avalanches off those metal roofs can dent up cars. They can also injure people and kill small animals like cats and dogs. They should be required by code in snowy areas.
What brand do you recommend then? Planning to have somebody install standing seam metal roof on my house and we get a lot of dry snow up here in Southern Alberta, Canada. I probably need some snow guards too.
Too bad the website and company that makes these are a horrible company. They have bad customer service and when trying to buy these they won’t help you to get the right clamps. Oh well.. go with another company I guess
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Suggestion: add a snow stop just above the plumbing vent. If enough snow is shedding off the roof to damage a light fixture, the snow will eventually destroy that vent pipe as well.
Snow stops (or diverters) above vent pipes are typically wedge shaped similar to a cricket above chimney.
Great content and keep up the good work. 😊
That just happened to my new roof in the UP!
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I am fully impressed! It's just a complete th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!
Metalmasters in Mchenry IL manufacturers snow gems and various other snow retention products. The Dynamic fastener system is very good. We usually close a corner of the face of the bar so the black strip of metal doesnt slip out with the wind. Awesome video!
Always depresses me to watch how detail oriented you are. I shopped hard for my post frame builder and they still didn't do half the stuff you do to protect the building (muddy work boots on the roof, scratches everywhere from when they dragged panels across each other, etc). I hope your customers appreciate your efforts.
I tried throwing bars over individual doors and air conditioners in the past and it worked, but the part of the bar that is left unsecured floating on the ends always ended up bent up by heavy snow sliding next to it. In the end I just put bars down the entire line and haven't had any problems.
Definitely agree that throwing something above the vent pipes can make sense as well. I've had a chimney pipe get ripped out mid roof one year. Anything at the bottom would have been long gone. Depends on how often and how much snow the roof gets before shedding as well. Usually here it would build up all winter and only really shed towards spring, so holding it a few extra weeks didn't really change much other than avoiding damages.
We use the S-5 system on all of our standing seam jobs, it's pricey but is a must here in PA. We warn all of our customers of the damage that is going to occur if they don't install it, crushed landscaping, torn off gutters, damaged porch roofs, and anything else that is under it.
This is DynaGard, which is a design that was stolen from S-5 when the patents expired. Snow guards are always a good idea, even though it seems counter intuitive sometimes. Crazy to see what all a snow avalanche can destroy.
Great video! My camp is in Boonville NY and winter snow load is 70 pounds per square foot. One winter the snow took out my chimney which is 2/3 of the way up the roof. Needless to say, I had someone add something to retain the snow above the chimney. Works great
Great instructional vid as always. You noted that the bottom row is suggested to be at 12" from the fascia, but your eave overhang should be considered. I believe the manufacturer says that the bottom row should be placed on the roof plumb with the wall below the overhang. This ensures the snow load doesn't cause any failures on long overhangs. I doubt this is much issue on a low slope like yours, but the snow on my 12:12 roof transfers a significant load to the snow guards. Just my $0.02
Very Helpful!! My house has a 12:12 pitch also, and was built in 1938! One of the best things about this antique (aside from 8' ceilings) are the 2 1/2' eaves. Very cooling in the summer. I need to look at the interior roof structure again, but to set bars too far out would definitely do damage. I was only about 5 minutes away from getting caught in a 4' deep snow avalanche myself. I know we need protection.
Thanks!💜
Those work great. Sucks many in Tahoe this year with the high amount of snow we are getting, those are preventing the snow from coming off causing roofs to implode into houses.
For as long as I've watched your channel it's been intriguing to me how the rain gutters last. Around here when the snow slides off it usually takes the gutters with it. The stops aren't generally used because of the weight of the snow building up and stressing the trusses. Guessing because heavy wet snow is more common here than dry powder
IMO the gutter is mounted too high. Most installers want to be right up at the eave line to prevent overshoot of water. In snow conditions the gutter has to be in the sweet spot where water gets caught but snow can slide over the top. I’m in NW Montana and we get decent amount of snow and I’ve never had a gutter taken down.
@@bpdp379 yeah in Canada your gutter goes 1" below the roof line at the outside edge. Sliding snow should go right over the gutter that way. If you gutter is catching snow it is too high for sure.
Great intro. A most for all videos. About the installation, usually I place the first and last bracket and then align the middle ones with a string or a laser.
I have a built in 1900 farmhouse with a 8/12 pitch standing seam roof . Living along the Indiana/Michigan state line I can tell you that a single row snow dam is no where near enough . It does slow things down but I don't want to be standing under there when it lets go . Will have to look into adding a second row on my roof now , Thanks Guys !
One thing to take in to consideraton is the snowload. If you do live in an area with a lot of snow, you should have snowguards on each side of the roof, so you dont get uneven distribution of load on the roof. But as always, great vid:)
Trusses are typically (at least ours always are) engineered for uneven snow load
In Finland we install snow bars for the entire width of the roof and also two in row. If we do like you innthis video snow will pull those off.@@RRBuildings
I liked the mounting on those snowstoppers. We have some very slippery stone on our roof, and I had to change a few stones each year due to the force/ weight on the snow stoppers, until we had a company install a few extra snow stoppers “mid-roof” and above vents. Just having the forces a bit more distributed with more mounts and more stoppers on the roof made all the difference. I have not changed stones the last 4-5 years.
We used S-5 system when we bought our steel roof through Fabral. Same exact system
Nice job, we've used those with S5 clips in the mountains of washington state. We had one failure after an epic snow dump (similar to california this year) due to not having enough rows going up the roof. 26ga can only hold so much weight. In the mid-west i think your fine
This is DynaGard, which is a design that was stolen from S-5 when the patents expired. S-5! has a calculator on their website that can help make sure you get enough rows next time. 26ga is only so strong for sure.
Tyfs! I didn't know about snow bars. I plan on getting a metal roof on my new house. Definitely going to have snow bars put on!
How cool is that. I learned something today as I typically do when watching this channel. Well done sir!
Thank you for a great video. I live in Minnesota and no snow bars were put on when the steel roof installed. I get large blocks of ice falling off the roof. It damages the siding, can break light fixtures, etc. Plus removing these huge ice blocks off the porch is a pain.
Kyle, really like this product. I’ve had my roof for 2 years now. Originally I had a clip type of fastener and didn’t like it at all. This one is what I might get. Little pricey, but worth it in the long run. Thanks.
Nice bracket / adapter! Good Video!
They make standing seam anchors for fall protection that are like those brackets
Finally an answer how to prevent this. We have an exposed fastener metal roof that is 25yrs old. We bought the house 5 yrs ago and have had 2 really bad snow winters since we got here - our first winter and last winter. OMG the avalanches of snow - have crushed 3 BBQs on the patio, ripped all our gutters off, ripped out all the vents on the roof (now venting through the walls). When we bought the house the seller had what they called snow breaks on the roof - turns out it was only drip edge that was used as a break. That wasn't good enough - the sliding snow has ripped almost all those off (a couple are hanging bent half on/half off. Wish I could get you to come fix ours.....
Yeah, well excuse me for being critical here dude-man-bro; but...
OK. I got nuthin.
You freakin rock man. I'm definitely putting these over my entrance on the new build that starts in 1 month.
Thanks for sharing.
use sno-jacks or snow gaurds or sno jax there are a million names for them. The are a small plastic device about an inch and a half wide that looks like a self sticking out perpendicular to the roof. They are held on with an adhesive. They do hold the snow in place for a while, but what they are really good at is breaking up the snow sheet that is sliding down the roof. breaks up the snow, so it doesn't get heavy enough to do that sort of damage.
Great video. I am not very experienced installing metal roofs, my business partner is but I definitely want to get better so I can work on my own projects instead of passing them to him. My questions is, can you install those bars on Nor-Clad (screw down) roofs?
Any cheaper options for two 40' spans? Especially if two rows are needed?
I aways thought metal roofs were the best option out there until I owned one. I live in northern Minnesota (A lot of snow). New seamless gutters in the summer, those are now bent flat and barely hanging on. My front porch has been ripped off the ledger and the amount of snow built up around the house is currently touching the flattened gutters. What a nightmare! With the prices I've seen for just an 8' section of this snow bar and the amount of them I'd need, I'm starting to wonder if I should just tear it off and put up shingles...🤦
Brandon, sorry you are experiencing these issues. It sounds like your contractor led you to believe that a metal roof was the greatest roof out there. I deal with this on almost a daily basis, misinformed customers. I explain all of the issues that you are describing to all of my customers and more often than not end up installing shingles. Metal roof's are great, but they come with a lot of extra expense. I.e. larger gutters and snow retention.
I have the same snap seam metal roof on my house. It's a 4/12 pitch. Do you have a recommendation for gutter guard that works? We rely on on our water for the cistern.
Great product designed for standing seam roofs, my only question would be the swinging sections inbetween each rib , do they move once the bar is secured and would there be any chance of the wind rattling them over time and wearing out the rubber seals causing alloy on steel friction?.
It’s so interesting that that even is a consideration, at least as someone who lives where there’s zero chance of snow, let alone any build up.
12 inch pounds = 1 foot pound. Need a different torque wrench but the easy way might be to tighten one screw down with the torque wrench once, then check which setting on the impact driver most closely matches it. 10-13ft. lbs = 120 to 156 inch pounds so there is some wiggle room. just a thought on it.
i'm a mechanic and those ratchets are worth their weight in gold (though I use milwaukee's)
If ever you were worried about how much pressure you're applying with your impact driver. You could have a look after a few tries with a torque wrench. Great vid btw
Thats what i do, use the impact to tighten it just enough to hold there, and then another guy comes behind tightening it to the specific lb torque. Theyre a pain in the ass to set with just the torque ratchet
Love your channel
Very nice system guys!
Was the snow load rating for the roof taken into account for holding it back in those locations?
I would assume so. He said he doesn't really like using them because of that though. People should just minimize man doors on eve sides to eliminate some of these issues.
My father put a standing-seam roof on his house in Bangor, Me. He hasn't had to use the snow rake since. Pretty amazing.
Hi have you ever built a pole home barn requested in Florida
Kyle, do they make these systems for sunshine? I live in Arizona, and during the hot summers here, sunshine really accumulates up there and then just comes pouring over the edge of my roof. The rain gutters really do nothing to stop it. It can become quite uncomfortable if you get caught underneath it. I once saw a guy get an instant sunburn when he was caught under the sunvalanche. He was lucky he didnt get heat stroke. Plus then you have to spend hours shoveling that sunshine off your walk. Now if there were a way to catch all that accumulated sunlight with my solar panels... Anyways, thanks for the video guys. I enjoy and appreciate your content.
Lol haven’t seen anything to combat this problem. Sounds like a tough situation
simple and minimally invasive ... the fixing system without drilling the sheet metal is excellent ... no water infiltration. generally in our area it is preferable to install the bars along the entire eaves line and shaped steel plates riveted on the rib of the plate are used. I'll ask you a question: here in Italy we have the obligation to install fall arrest systems on the roofs made up of poles and ropes or plates or hooks (at the designer's discretion) for any future maintenance. Don't you have this obligation?
How do you fasten the metal down? Are the screws under the ridges?
Thumbs up Kyle! 👍😁
I can see how those can trap water and create pools around joints and fastener holes. i don't have any entrances or vents on the sides that get snow and ice sliding off, would rather just have it slide off instead
I am thinking of installing gutters though, installing them low enough for sliding ice to avoid would probably work
Most likely if your are low enough to avoid the snow you also will avoid a heavy rain
I'm sure you're right if one doesn't get you, the other one will
my main issue is erosion, 40x60 pole barn structure on a very steep slope and clay soil. most of it from rain roof runoff. also thought about doing French drains or drainage channels where the runoff hits the ground to capture most of it. gutters probably would get wiped out by ice sliding off
keep up the amazing work been watching you for years and learned so much
Could go with a hidden gutter system but that will probably cause a lot of ice dams (theyre used hevily on cedar shake roofs here in bc
We have issues with the snow ripping the whole gutter apart! Any ideas??
I've been told the snowboards serve not only to hold snow until it can melt away, but to break it up into smaller bits when it slides and hit the rails. I don't know, but that seems to make sense.
Have you done a video on that roof system?
Yes they have. I'm not real sure, but that might have been the "Cabin in the Woods."
Grease the threads of the hardware. Steel into aluminum will corrode. Also, the plastic piece you slid in, what keeps that from sliding out over time? A little silicone when sliding it in would hold it.
Those clamps are specifically made for metal roofs, im sure that they have thought about that and changed something to prevent that. And the little pieces you slide in and usually tight to fit so they wont really slide out overtime as theres nothing to really have it slide out
I add a 10x1/2 or 3/4 in top of snow shoe to hold in place!
Cool video. I just had a barn built in Wyoming last year and have a side load 8x8 garage door under an eve and I've built up about 5+ foot drifts next to it - something like this would be useful but my roof is the ribbed steel with fasteners so would probably need a different system than what you used.
Most of the big manufacturers make a version for ag panels. Usually looks like a half triangle with the right angle pointing towards the ridge.
Here’s an example. th-cam.com/video/O9aIdKkk0KE/w-d-xo.html
I use this version here in Montana and it works perfectly. My first row is on the eave purlins and next row was second purlin up. If the roof has sheeting it’s less critical on where you mount to.
These are my favorite style of snow guards...NON PENETRATING IS ALWAYS THE WAY TO GO
@RRBuildings We are starting a new post frame shop 36'x83' and I was wondering where you get the jugs to keep your chains in, all the chains we have found do not come with a jug or they come in a bucket....
Nice video
I am clueless on these things.
We had one fall off last winter on our Breckenridge home. I had no clue how they were attached
Called a roofing company to come reattach
They said all need to be replaced because they were installed wrong….$2500 bid $$$$$$
I just wanted the one put back up.
I’m going to crawl up there and do it myself
Everything looks just like what you installed on video
Pretty simple
How can they be installed wrong when all you do is clamp them to the ridge ????
Wish I had seen this before installing 3 rows of snow tabs (the snow tabs do work great though!!)
👍thanks for the video
Those mounts are great. Install snow bars, solar panels, tv/net dish, etc...
I once worked in facility w/o snow bars. When the snow came off the roof it like an avalanche. A safety hazard and the gutters came down with the snow. $13,000 dollars to replace the commercial gauge gutters.
Guy in my area walked out of a Chik Fil A and was creamed by an avalanche off the roof - ice and it knocked him out. Consussion to boot. They acted like it happened all the time and it probably did since they had no protection to stop it. I lost trackl of him but I hope sued the hell out of them! My roof slides but onto another lower roof but it shakes the entire house when it goes!
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If you are in say southern Indiana where we dont get as much snow as you can just install the 1' off the edge row or still do both rows? Do you have a link for this product?
Link in description
Should snow bars be put above all vents and such?
If u install first snow stopper first then it works like man stopper when u install the second line snow stopper and u slip.
Thats what we do haha, install the first row and then that first row helps with having something to lean on while installing the next
I see alternating the rube angle feet would stop that
Very cool
Who manufactured that metal roof?
That is an image II roof from metal sales manufacturing
Is it Bluetooth there sir
Where can I get floor plans?
Have you seen s5 attachments
Whatever happened to the large barndominium project?
What do you mean? It’s done just putting together the final interior walkthru
@@RRBuildings yah, was just curious about a final walkthrough/overview. Unless I missed something, the last thing I remember about it was the door trims and countertops.
What do you do abot ice because i typically get more freezing rain and ice than snow? It slides through the valleys and lays flat
Better use the Rees System. You can use normal 1" pipes. 1.2.or 3.👍🇩🇪
Have you ever tried installing the snow bars on an angle so the snow can still come down, but to one side or both?
No I’ve never done that
Need a 1/4” drive torque wrench it’ll go down even lower than you need.
Hey Kyle, this is pretty much the exact same strategy we have when installing solar panels on standing seam. The product you used looks to be something that works hand in hand with S5! Clamps. They make a clamp for every profile of metal roofing you can imagine. Awesome product and always much more simple than what people would expect.
This is DynaGard, which is a design that was stolen from S-5 when the patents expired. Cool to see you using S-5 to install solar, it's good stuff!
Fair is fair in the business world when patents expire. At that point the design is up for grabs, the inventor deemed to have made his money by then. It's not theft, but perfectly legal and indeed encouraged. Manufacturers, including American ones, regularly search the soon-to-expire patents, looking for opportunities. @@jonmoss4007
We use the TRA Snow and Sun products
If the blocks aren’t tight enough, the snow load will push a whole rail down. And the set screws wil gouge the seam The tighter the better!
Having a metal roof and the snow and ice coming off and been a known item for years. On my metal roof I do not want the snow and ice staying up there. Over time you can get a build up which can lead to more problems then you want to deal with. So let it snow.
Be careful if installing solar panels, as they create a perfect slippery surface for snow to slide on. We had the beefiest snow bars installed for years without issues, then added solar panels and the first winter had a horrific roof avalanche that could have ended lives..
Exactly, snow guards and solar panels dont mix very well unless you have the solar panels a good length away from the snow guards
The person who built the house/apartment we live in did such a bad job. The shape of the house is very weird and kilos/tons of snow drop on our tilted wall/windows (bedroom) day and night - which makes it impossible to sleep without fearing broken windows and injuries. It's incredibly loud too. Can those avalanches break windows?
It almost looks like the bars should be the other way around. From a force perspective, the L brackets would hold back the weight of the snow better the other way around. Not as aesthetic, no doubt.
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I like this country
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My snow retention coating actually lets the water drain without crating a icedam
Never forget the greatest example was the Cowboys stadium incident. Horrible. Have a great weekend.
Kyle…convert foot pounds to inch pounds (= 156 inch pounds). Purchase an inch pound torque wrench, which are relatively inexpensive, and 1/2 the size of a 3/8” drive foot pound torque wrench and you’re good to go. The point made from another subscriber supporting the possibility of voiding the mfg. warranty is then eliminated. Simple solution and the correct application redacting any liability on your behalf.
To add to this, some blue loctite and a tamper paint pen also helps to prove you followed spec
We get snow brakes
Get yourself a couple of suitable torque wrenches, you may need to prove you used the specified torque values to ensure you validate the manufacturers warranty. Those battery operated drivers are good, but not for ensuring the torque values are correct
Couldn’t you say proper validation of manufacturer’s torque specs is important for anything?
@@dylanjohnson3309 not if it’s a pecker pump
@@BeeHiverson this is true
Installed miles of S5 snow retention system over the years
Many failed
Will not use their system again
They don't stand behind their product
Here in Sweden “snörasskydd” are mandated to have over every entrance, so a lot of options exist. One popular example, for standing seam roofs: th-cam.com/video/0oFbZa92prQ/w-d-xo.html
Help me out here guys / gals: wouldn't you not want these in areas where snow loading could be an issue like in norcal right now? I mean I see the deliberate use here and think it's a non-issue in this case, but it makes me wonder.
I mean would you rather have the snow slowly fall off in small chunks, or after a heavy snowfall, a day later have all of it fall off at once? Like in socal it should be removed by hand when it gets to a point or trimmed off. But the stuff happeneing in socal is so unexpected no one was prepared for it so most metal roofs dont have them out there i think
@Josh re: norcal I think unexpected depends on how long you lived there - the old timers say this is normal - everyone else who moved into the hills in the last 10 years was caught off guard!
@Persistent Wind its just that it normally doesnt snow there every season. I live in vancouver bc, and we rarely get snow but with the small snowfall we do have, most people go crazy (i grew up in a place where it snowed 6 months of the year so im used to it) but even then its more common to snow here than over there and people are already thrown off here. So even though it does rarely snow there, if it hasnt snowed in the past 5 years there its still completely unexpected because i doubt anyone throws on their winter tires, etc during the "winter months" while there or store their exotic cars for the winter months.
Snow avalanches off those metal roofs can dent up cars. They can also injure people and kill small animals like cats and dogs. They should be required by code in snowy areas.
it's a crime against humanity not to have snow guards installed. It doesn't matter what the homeowner says.
I found a snow bar once. Ended up stumbling home hours later.
Just don't install any snow....problem fixed
For the record, those clamps SUCK!! fail the first time, every time. #askmehowiknow.
What brand do you recommend then? Planning to have somebody install standing seam metal roof on my house and we get a lot of dry snow up here in Southern Alberta, Canada. I probably need some snow guards too.
Don't like snow bars. I want a roof to shed load as efficiently as possible.
Such as?
I would agree hence why we rarely
Do them.
Too bad the website and company that makes these are a horrible company. They have bad customer service and when trying to buy these they won’t help you to get the right clamps. Oh well.. go with another company I guess
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