Yes, I actually HATE that this might be the norm now - where Secret Lairs sell out and get scalped. I predicted this previously here: th-cam.com/video/B1vsxlTEGSI/w-d-xo.html
@@daurgo2001Then they should print value in sets and not stuff that people are gonna scalp that's just a way to leave constant bad tastes in people's mouths
Fun fact: In Canada, we have to pay in USD which is 200 Canadian dollars, and then we have to pay for shipping (because the shipping deal on the US website only counts for within the US) and we have to pay for shipping in USD so we get dinged by the exchange rate again. 😂
I remember as a kid in highschool seeing $30 precons and hoping when I got older I could afford to buy one and now it’s even more out of my price range.
I've been slowly checking out of Secret Lairs over the last few years and this change was my cue to stop buying them entirely. I love it when WoTC saves money for you.
?? Why? You get more than you pay for and if you miss out then you didn't get it in the first place. Why just stop trying to buy them at all? I got 2 decks myself. Got the email from wizards, jumped in the que for 10min and bought it no problem.
@@Aigis31 pretty sure they were all $20, maybe $30 at first and once all the targets and Walmarts were raided for all the true name decks they might’ve raised it.
@@garmatey3816that set was $34.99. It was my first purchase for magic. Choice between a deckbuilder’s toolkit, commander 2013 or a phat pack. I chose the $39.99 phat pack. 1 year later I got into commander.
I somehow manged to snag one, and I feel so sorry for those who missed out. It should have been print to order. I for one would not have minded waiting a bit so that eveyone got one.
@@m1gr3nA These excuses make me way more mad at WotC than the stuff they actually do. This whole move is about cost efficiency. Which is absolutely okay. They run a business, I get it. But I effing hate being lied to.
I was thinking about it, I think it’s due to tax regulations in US, it depends on the state so most likely 150$ is without a tax that is added at checkout based on place you live in.
@@Kwain. That's correct I always see a lot of complaints in £/etc compared to US$ prices in goods however in the USA they don't include tax on prices of their items as advertised. Tax is always added after so the price isnt actually $149.99 becuase buyers do pay tax on top of that.
I for one am happy with no longer having to pay import taxes on top of the VAT. Converting 150$ to € and then adding 21% VAT is just a little over the actual selling price. So I’m happy. We do get the same price as the US. It’s just that in the US, taxes (VAT) are not added to the list price. Which is mandatory(?)/customary(?) in Europe.
No you didn't. Your money is just worth a different amount. You didn't get screwed by an exchange rate. You still paid the same amount of value. You just think so because the number is higher
Ah, I see, right. US pricing is always without taxes, so you got to add that sales tax depending on your state. Guess that adds u to about the same then, since the EUR 164.99 was including taxes.
Maybe the answer is just trading duplicates in for cards you need. Of course this only works in singleton formats or with cards that are restricted. I have A copy of ‘game pieces’ and proxy them into my decks. I bring some small binders with me when I play in case anyone wants to question it or would prefer I play with original cards.
You kept talking about the coin flip deck but didn't mention the angels or cute to brute decks, curious how you feel about those since this is more in line with those than the coin flip decks imo
I picked one up, and the deck does not run smoothly. Rin and Siri are a kill-on-sight commander. The deck doesn't include enough interaction to protect the comander. But you need your commander out generating tokens in order for the deck to function. There are no includes in the deck to untap your commander or to ramp or generate mana to take advantage of its tap ability. You can also get beat to death from flyers... This is all in addition with the fact that a 150$ deck has a bad mana base for the price and has filler chaff including commons in it. You could buy a kit kanto new capenna precon and have A good chunk of the cards that are in this deck list. The deck got stomped at a table with a fallout precon and a dr who precon
12:30 the Pokémon card game is actually dirt cheap to play if you don't care about getting the full art versions of cards. $50-$100 for top level competitive decks. iirc the deck that won worlds is $60 when buying the cheapest versions. Pokemon is actually really good at printing staples in affordable printings, having products that drive prices down with reprints, and having starter sets with cards that actually see play.
Yeah I also hate the limited quantity thing. Wish they did of you buy quick you'll get it shipped asap then print to order for a set amount of time. Also for the sl decks they really should be putting at least shock lands if not those and fetches. Also having the entire deck foil or non foil would be ideal, ideally have both options like with mosy sl's. But I love the sl decks (with the exception of the cute to brute deck that one sucked lol) so I bought this one as well
I bought the deck because i want those basic lands. And i made a quick calculation and concluded that 150€ minus selling the Sol Ring and the Anointed Procession and the Triome will most likely be the better deal than buying the basic lands as singles (which i expect to be 5-7€ each).
@@robert8984 - If you have any suggestion on how to get particular artwork at no cost, I'm all ears. But if 25 cents is a break the bank situation for you, then I don't think we're in the same financial class and your opinion won't matter much.
I made the decision to buy this when it was announced. But when the decklist came out, I was discouraged. I could make a way better cats/dogs deck for that money. Something I would be happy playing. Plus, I already had 80% of the cards in the deck. Nothing looked like I had to have it. I admit, I like the tokens.
I’m getting back into buying RL cards this year, still have some duals to get to the full set of 40. Just bought a FWB badlands for €200,-. Love vintage cards so much more than reprints.
I managed to snag a deck. The only reason I did is because Jinnie Fay was the first Commander I built a deck around after my cat passed away. It's my most beloved deck, for my most beloved kitty. My Jinnie only ever makes cats, and I wanted the basics and the flip cards for it. I wouldn't say it was worth it otherwise.
So maybe you'll get a ton of these kind of comments but it still bugs me enough to comment: "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose" was NOT $150. It was $100. So it came down to a dollar a card, and was actually a stellar deal. The price hike was for Cute to Brute, which was a lot of transform cards and generally had a better manabase and value. The third deck they realeased was Angels and had a memey name and was far worse in value than the past three. I agree that this is an annoying trend for Magic to take, but I don't think they'll be making Precons on shelves as expensive as the FOMO inducing Secret Lairs.
I know everyone posted it etc. But Euro it was 164,90 , on top of that remember that its with TAX for EU (and thats not small - ~ 20% across the EU ). That means 149$ would be with tax in EU ~ 178,8$. 179$ is near exacly 165 Euro ;)
one reasons accounting for part of the 150 pounds vs 150 dollars is that in the UK V.A.T. is included in the 150 pounds and in the US we'll get sales tax added onto the $150 dollars.
It's pretty sad there's no dachshunds. I saw one of you videos where you showed off the Dachshund play mat. I currently have a black and tan (Kinnick) and when I was younger I had a chocolate and tan (Snickers) so I insta purchased it lol. The fact the battle is happening in the dairy aisle was the cherry on top (in lactose intolerant lol). Dachshunds are the best!!! And that's my favorite play mat by far!
I got one. Wife suggested I sell it when it arrives, but I bought thos to play. The art is beautiful, and the deck is very similar to a rin and seri deck I used to have.
At some point, I think Magic players will need to organize against WotC like what happened for the M30 debacle to punish their outrageous pricing. Denying them revenue seems to be the only way to create change. £150 for a preconstructed deck is ludicrous, especially with how awful the mana base is.
Logged in Monday to get one. It was already sold out. Upset about it and unhappy about it but not much I can do unless I want to spend more money to get it from a scalper and I don’t want it THAT badly.
In the US, I paid: Taxes: $12.40 Total: $162.39 162 USD is 128 GBP, which is still less than British people paid for the lair but at least it is closer in price.
Ha! You should check out GWs price ‘structure’ for us down here in NZ! There is NO comparison with the deals you get in the UK and US… We call it the “Middle Earth Tax” 😂 So welcome to our world 😅
@PleasantKenobi just looked up the item description and it says that all the basics are the new art. I'll state here then, that all the forests are 1 art, all the mountains are another, and the same for the plains. 22x Foil Basic Lands with New Art
This was most likely recorded before the extra cards: 9 lives, and Yoshimaru were spoiled for the deck. Those reveals are actually why I bit the bullet and hit purchase, I was really on the fence until then.
I hate that the mana base was this bad, but I'll end up upgrading the deck anyway. Might as well upgrade the manabase for cheap, hell, might even add a couple of shocklands now that they're cheaper in my country.
I mean, I get you can't get fetches and shocks right out of the box, but at least the battlebond lands would be nice, or even the pain or slow lands... Even the Dr Who decks came with better lands.
I bought one SL, the tinybones one, and its the first and last. Wotc knows about the scalpers and they simply told us "we dont care, give us more money, we need more money, give money now" and well, to them i say my printer it's gonna do some extra work.
Do you mean "dachshund"? (pronunciation probably close to "ducks hoend") I love them too, grew up with two of them in the house. Here in Germany we usually call them "Dackel", the term "Dachshund" you use literally translates to "badger dog" (probably because they're often used as hunting dogs that can follow prey such as badgers into the burrow). Your dogs are enormously cute, and there should be more dachshunds on Magic cards.
The 'charge the English more' thing is probably for two reasons. 1) because they can (biggest reason) and, 2) because Brexit - unit costs for things like importing onto the island and taxes have gone up quite a bit. I wouldn't be shocked if, on a per-unit basis, after all expenses Wizards isn't making the biggest margin on the US lairs (assuming they're produced and distributed in the US). Of course, that guess breaks down if they're locally produced in each market.
Products like this are a big part of why I proxy everything now. I rarely play card games with other players IRL, so I cannot justify paying high prices for things I'll only get value out of once or twice. If they do a Secret Lair Deck for something I adore like Star Wars, Arcane (LoL), Marvel, etc. I will be extremely upset but not surprised.
I was going to wait until my next pay check to buy one (so Feb). I expected it to sell out, but not WITHIN SIX HOURS, with no email saying that it dropped. The deck is cool, the alt arts are nice...but the deck looks like it will play terribly. There's little interaction, little ramp, it looks like a deck I would have made when I was new to Magic if Rin and Seri was a commander then. I thought the land count in the Angels deck was bad but that deck actually PLAYS WELL. WotC absolutely bought hard into the theme to justify the price, and the fact that it was able to sell out in less than a day is a problem. If they're gonna push for it be pre-printed, they should have the ability to have it printed to order for at least two weeks after it sells out. Give the general population a chance.
It is very funny to watch this hobby just eat itself alive. The blind greed from Hasbro and the inability for players to restrain themselves from buying wildly overpriced product is a match made in some circle of hell. I wonder sometimes if we will ever see MTG return to printing cardboard, but I know it's so unlikely to happen. They have no interest in giving up so much as a sliver of margin for the sake of keeping their base appeal any wider than it could be. Side note, if you told me Anointed Procession was AI generated, I'd believe you.
To me, the wildcard in value is all of those basic lands with special art. It will be interesting to see what those settle at in price. Some SL lands are around $1 each, but many are $3-7 each.
@@MosesSuppose They wouldn't be $20 a piece if this Lair wasn't $150... Other comparable basics in Lairs haven't really surpassed $7-8. It's not necessary in the analysist IMO because their market price is artificially inflated because the Lair price is artificially inflated.
@@notapplicable6985 Ok. They like it. And they've demonstrated they'll pay about a maximum of $7-8 per basic land. Do you have evidence to back up your feelings that I'm wrong?
My problem with wildly expensive pre-cons like this is that the appeal is all in the theme and flavoring, but the deck is usually kind of crap. I think if their going to make a deck like this it should be at the very least highly optimized. After I inevitably have to change out half of the cards for better options the deck will quickly lose a lot of the theme and flavoring. WotC is already absolutely taking the piss with the $150 price tag and limited printing, at least provide all of the cards necessary to a deck like this. I had this problem with the 40k decks as well; at a certain point when making changes to the deck it stops being a 40k deck because so many of the 40k cards are mediocre.
you say it is not worth it but i have to disagree. buying it would have been very worth it. you could have bought it for 150£ and can probably sell it now for atleast 200£. with the profit you can buy anointed procession as a single. (for clarification: i dont do that and i dont like someone who does this but sadly wotc wants this to happen it seems and the point that it is financially worth it still stands even if it is morally questionable)
Wizards has been trending this direction for the last several years, I've completely stopped purchasing sealed products, and will stay that way until things change pretty drastically back in favor of the run of the mill player.
I am finding more and more than foil cards not as desirable it seems in general - been prepping a shipment for Card Conduit and keep seeing either the foil less or almost equal more than a stark difference upward - also could be foils don't feel as special anymore IE Collector Booster effect
Why do they just change the currency sign in front of the price when they release it in alternate markets? Because they can and people have paid it because of FOMO. I woke up at 4am here so I could get one. Including the not-free postage to Australia, it cost $270 in AUD. But then again I have been meaning to build a deck almost exactly like this, so I can just get this and take out the few cards I don't want in it and replace them. It's relatively economical in that way. At least it's not the local pricing on Warhammer, which is completely arbitrary.
Why do they just change the currency sign in front of the price when they release it in alternate markets? Answer: They dont. USA unlike every other western country doesn't include tax until you pay. So for them it's $149.99 + Tax on top. EU deck is actually €164.99 not €149.99
To start, I agree 100% that it SHOULDN'T be worth it to pay $150 for that product. The unfortunate part is that IF you bought it, and IF you bought 2, you would have been able to sell the 2nd copy on ebay today for $400 and got your deck for free. I did not do that, I think it's crummy that that is even a thing, but thing it is.
as a european. it was 165. also it it was in € and not $, which means its even more expensive. so yeah. no thanks. also, i already have a rin and seri deck. so i'll probably just try and find the sol ring, lands and tokens.
Another disappointing factor with these items is resale. A not insignificant number of buyers are just looking to turn a profit. There's always that divide between Magic players and Magic 'investors.'
Here's the thing, if the deck was printed on demand the deck would have never sold out. The other secret lairs that did sell out, the same, if they were print to demand they would have languished for the next two months. FOMO is a thing.
Honestly these $150 secret lair commander decks have always felt waaaay overpriced to me, even though I really liked a couple of the artworks in some of them. And now that Secret Lairs are limited print instead of print to demand it's likely going to reduce the amount of them I buy too. Hasbro had better be careful, players can only stretch their budgets so far and the more they're forced to skip products they otherwise would have been interested in because of greedy pricing and too much being released the more comfortable they'll become just cutting their spending on the game altogether. Had more than a few friends stop buying cards for that exact reason.
The value proposition outside of draft is terrible in magic now. Boxes of literal cardboard that cost as much as a PlayStation. And they raised the price of draft.
As much as I would've liked to own this deck I couldn't warrant £150 for one deck. Especially when you can get all 4 ixalan or karlov manor decks for less.
I didnt buy this either because I am primarily a dog person and was disappointed with the lack of dogs. I do want to try and get the sol ring and the secret card Yoshimaru alt art. The annointed procession would be great too but will probably be to $$ for me to justify.
As a US GW games player I need to bask for a moment in a Brit complaining about the cost difference just for being in a different country. Ok - basking done. Yeah its proper shite.
I didn't order this because my deck Reigning Cats & Dogs is better than this list already. I'm certainly not got to pay $150 to upgrade the art on my lands and a handful of cards plus two tokens. If I find singles for these at some point I may pick up the ones I want one at a time. Maybe I'll find a land pack that someone doesn't need to gouge for.
Was quite confused by the way he pronounced it aswell😂. It's originally a german word (lit. translates as 'badger dog'), the proper pronunciation is Daks-hunt, with a as in car, u as in pull and emphasis on the first syllable.
Just monetarily the Angels Commander deck alt art cards are skyrocketing. Gisela is now approaching 100 USD. Rin & Seri are about 30$ and scarse, anointed being one of the alt art almost guarantees its value. Of course WotC could reprint them into oblivion and the price could crash.
Agree with the video, but have a sidenote. is that how people say "Dachshund" in the UK? For reference, it's a two part german word: "Dachs" (eng: "badger") + "Hund" (eng: dog). Even pronouncing it like "ducks hunt" would be closer. What's funny to me is, that's not even the german name for these dogs. That's "Dackel". this isn't meant as criticism. it was just funny to me.
No you didn’t miss out if you didn’t buy it you saved yourself a 150 bucks that you can put elsewhere. As well as exercising good impulse control not buying everything that gets put out. down the road they will release another “must buy product” that’s just how this works
IMO the prices are set based on human psychology. The number 150 is the goal, not the buying power of that in your local currency. Which is kind of scummy in its own way.
I don't get it, it's like Wizards doesn't even want all the money they could get. I would buy this if it came to a local store at full price. I however am not gonna buy the deck online from some scalper. Why not just print a bunch of these to sell at stores?
Yes, I actually HATE that this might be the norm now - where Secret Lairs sell out and get scalped. I predicted this previously here: th-cam.com/video/B1vsxlTEGSI/w-d-xo.html
If you really are looking for a anointed Precession I’ve got an extra I don’t mind trading 😅
Value is good for the long term health of the game.
SLs that flatline and are worth nothing after months is not good for anyone.
@@daurgo2001Then they should print value in sets and not stuff that people are gonna scalp that's just a way to leave constant bad tastes in people's mouths
Fun fact: In Canada, we have to pay in USD which is 200 Canadian dollars, and then we have to pay for shipping (because the shipping deal on the US website only counts for within the US) and we have to pay for shipping in USD so we get dinged by the exchange rate again. 😂
Yup. I wasn't able to get it for this exact reason.
Exact same here in Australia 🥳
Its depressing. Had to do a double take at my cc statement.
Yup this is easy $260-300 canadian
That's rough
I remember as a kid in highschool seeing $30 precons and hoping when I got older I could afford to buy one and now it’s even more out of my price range.
I've been slowly checking out of Secret Lairs over the last few years and this change was my cue to stop buying them entirely. I love it when WoTC saves money for you.
or helps you make money if you get the chance to be in on it :/
It’s easy when a product isn’t for you. It’s for the wanna be flippers.
?? Why? You get more than you pay for and if you miss out then you didn't get it in the first place. Why just stop trying to buy them at all? I got 2 decks myself. Got the email from wizards, jumped in the que for 10min and bought it no problem.
He said he had two dachshunds and then he proved it, respect
I tell no lies.
We also pay a premium up here in Canada because our dollar is less but it gets egregious sometimes I’ve seen it way passed the conversion difference.
man, i remember buying commander decks when they were 20 bucks at walmart and had a $30 True-name nemesis in them
...didn't the True Name Nemesis commander deck cost $40? Or are you using a currency other than USD
@@Aigis31 handgun would get you all of them for free
@@Aigis31they started up charging once ttn got over 30€
@@Aigis31 pretty sure they were all $20, maybe $30 at first and once all the targets and Walmarts were raided for all the true name decks they might’ve raised it.
@@garmatey3816that set was $34.99. It was my first purchase for magic. Choice between a deckbuilder’s toolkit, commander 2013 or a phat pack. I chose the $39.99 phat pack. 1 year later I got into commander.
so on the price difference - it's about 20% increase over direct conversion - which makes me guess its VAT? but that's my only real Idea
I somehow manged to snag one, and I feel so sorry for those who missed out. It should have been print to order. I for one would not have minded waiting a bit so that eveyone got one.
the "to reduce delays" excause is bs. they could easily have initial batch preprinted and print more to order later.
@@m1gr3nA These excuses make me way more mad at WotC than the stuff they actually do. This whole move is about cost efficiency. Which is absolutely okay. They run a business, I get it. But I effing hate being lied to.
Small correction: In the EU it was EUR 164.99, so some closer to the £149 - but the point remains, compared to the USD we both paid much more.
I was thinking about it, I think it’s due to tax regulations in US, it depends on the state so most likely 150$ is without a tax that is added at checkout based on place you live in.
@@Kwain. That's correct I always see a lot of complaints in £/etc compared to US$ prices in goods however in the USA they don't include tax on prices of their items as advertised. Tax is always added after so the price isnt actually $149.99 becuase buyers do pay tax on top of that.
I for one am happy with no longer having to pay import taxes on top of the VAT.
Converting 150$ to € and then adding 21% VAT is just a little over the actual selling price. So I’m happy. We do get the same price as the US. It’s just that in the US, taxes (VAT) are not added to the list price. Which is mandatory(?)/customary(?) in Europe.
No you didn't. Your money is just worth a different amount. You didn't get screwed by an exchange rate. You still paid the same amount of value. You just think so because the number is higher
Ah, I see, right. US pricing is always without taxes, so you got to add that sales tax depending on your state. Guess that adds u to about the same then, since the EUR 164.99 was including taxes.
YANMO - You Are Not Missing Out
Maybe the answer is just trading duplicates in for cards you need. Of course this only works in singleton formats or with cards that are restricted. I have A copy of ‘game pieces’ and proxy them into my decks. I bring some small binders with me when I play in case anyone wants to question it or would prefer I play with original cards.
That’s lame tho I wanna play with real cards
@@Djm939 I have the real cards. Just not enough for all my decks…too many decks 🤷♂️😂
@@matthewollar9842 that's fair, its too hard not to build a new deck 😂
You kept talking about the coin flip deck but didn't mention the angels or cute to brute decks, curious how you feel about those since this is more in line with those than the coin flip decks imo
I picked one up, and the deck does not run smoothly. Rin and Siri are a kill-on-sight commander. The deck doesn't include enough interaction to protect the comander. But you need your commander out generating tokens in order for the deck to function. There are no includes in the deck to untap your commander or to ramp or generate mana to take advantage of its tap ability. You can also get beat to death from flyers...
This is all in addition with the fact that a 150$ deck has a bad mana base for the price and has filler chaff including commons in it. You could buy a kit kanto new capenna precon and have A good chunk of the cards that are in this deck list. The deck got stomped at a table with a fallout precon and a dr who precon
12:30 the Pokémon card game is actually dirt cheap to play if you don't care about getting the full art versions of cards. $50-$100 for top level competitive decks. iirc the deck that won worlds is $60 when buying the cheapest versions. Pokemon is actually really good at printing staples in affordable printings, having products that drive prices down with reprints, and having starter sets with cards that actually see play.
Another reason its more popular with kids and their parents, no wonder chain stores carry more Pokémon cards than Magic, if at all
Yeah I also hate the limited quantity thing. Wish they did of you buy quick you'll get it shipped asap then print to order for a set amount of time. Also for the sl decks they really should be putting at least shock lands if not those and fetches. Also having the entire deck foil or non foil would be ideal, ideally have both options like with mosy sl's. But I love the sl decks (with the exception of the cute to brute deck that one sucked lol) so I bought this one as well
I bought the deck because i want those basic lands. And i made a quick calculation and concluded that 150€ minus selling the Sol Ring and the Anointed Procession and the Triome will most likely be the better deal than buying the basic lands as singles (which i expect to be 5-7€ each).
Even cheaper is what I'm doing - counterfeiting them for about 25 cents each.
@@DerekScottBland You spend money for basic land proxies? Well, you do you i guess.
@@robert8984 - If you have any suggestion on how to get particular artwork at no cost, I'm all ears. But if 25 cents is a break the bank situation for you, then I don't think we're in the same financial class and your opinion won't matter much.
@@DerekScottBland Lets start with the simple question where i get 25cent foil proxies ...
@@robert8984 - nah, I prefer to find out just why 25 cents is so important to you.
I made the decision to buy this when it was announced. But when the decklist came out, I was discouraged. I could make a way better cats/dogs deck for that money. Something I would be happy playing. Plus, I already had 80% of the cards in the deck. Nothing looked like I had to have it. I admit, I like the tokens.
I’m getting back into buying RL cards this year, still have some duals to get to the full set of 40. Just bought a FWB badlands for €200,-. Love vintage cards so much more than reprints.
Love Dachshunds, yours are beautiful.
I managed to snag a deck. The only reason I did is because Jinnie Fay was the first Commander I built a deck around after my cat passed away. It's my most beloved deck, for my most beloved kitty.
My Jinnie only ever makes cats, and I wanted the basics and the flip cards for it. I wouldn't say it was worth it otherwise.
you forgot about the Cute to Brute secret lair precon, which I was sold on because the mana base was filled with the Pathways because of the theme.
Its due to VAT. That and international shopping charges are high. The $150 and Euro equivalent are pre-tax prices too
Great content as always. Loved seeing the dogs!
So maybe you'll get a ton of these kind of comments but it still bugs me enough to comment: "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose" was NOT $150. It was $100. So it came down to a dollar a card, and was actually a stellar deal. The price hike was for Cute to Brute, which was a lot of transform cards and generally had a better manabase and value. The third deck they realeased was Angels and had a memey name and was far worse in value than the past three. I agree that this is an annoying trend for Magic to take, but I don't think they'll be making Precons on shelves as expensive as the FOMO inducing Secret Lairs.
I know everyone posted it etc.
But Euro it was 164,90 , on top of that remember that its with TAX for EU (and thats not small - ~ 20% across the EU ). That means 149$ would be with tax in EU ~ 178,8$. 179$ is near exacly 165 Euro ;)
one reasons accounting for part of the 150 pounds vs 150 dollars is that in the UK V.A.T. is included in the 150 pounds and in the US we'll get sales tax added onto the $150 dollars.
It's pretty sad there's no dachshunds. I saw one of you videos where you showed off the Dachshund play mat. I currently have a black and tan (Kinnick) and when I was younger I had a chocolate and tan (Snickers) so I insta purchased it lol. The fact the battle is happening in the dairy aisle was the cherry on top (in lactose intolerant lol). Dachshunds are the best!!! And that's my favorite play mat by far!
I got one. Wife suggested I sell it when it arrives, but I bought thos to play. The art is beautiful, and the deck is very similar to a rin and seri deck I used to have.
At some point, I think Magic players will need to organize against WotC like what happened for the M30 debacle to punish their outrageous pricing. Denying them revenue seems to be the only way to create change. £150 for a preconstructed deck is ludicrous, especially with how awful the mana base is.
Logged in Monday to get one. It was already sold out. Upset about it and unhappy about it but not much I can do unless I want to spend more money to get it from a scalper and I don’t want it THAT badly.
In the US, I paid:
Taxes: $12.40
Total: $162.39
162 USD is 128 GBP, which is still less than British people paid for the lair but at least it is closer in price.
Heads I win tails you lose was actually only 100 dollars/pounds/euros
Ha! You should check out GWs price ‘structure’ for us down here in NZ! There is NO comparison with the deals you get in the UK and US… We call it the “Middle Earth Tax” 😂 So welcome to our world 😅
Oh, and your dooges are SUPER cute BTW 😊
They are! :)
It should also be noted that all the basics are also alternate art
All of them? Only some are the nee Cat and Dog art - what is the alternative art on the others?
@PleasantKenobi just looked up the item description and it says that all the basics are the new art. I'll state here then, that all the forests are 1 art, all the mountains are another, and the same for the plains.
22x Foil Basic Lands with New Art
Wotc is like: heads we win, tails you lose
This was most likely recorded before the extra cards: 9 lives, and Yoshimaru were spoiled for the deck. Those reveals are actually why I bit the bullet and hit purchase, I was really on the fence until then.
Where did you see 9 lives and Yoshimaru being in the deck? It's not on Wizard's own deck list.
@@Kingofnoodles It was spoiled in an EDHijinks video the same day as the deck release here on youtube
@@Kingofnoodles th-cam.com/video/SsaioLTgNtU/w-d-xo.html around the 48:00 mark
@@gsmastermike well, damn.
the basic lands are currently selling for 23-30$ per rn you're paying for the arts all the 5 double faced cards are 50+$
This is so dumb.
The deck was not 149,99€... the last one was but this one was up to 165,99€, so closer to the British price
We need more Dachshund representation!!!
I hate that the mana base was this bad, but I'll end up upgrading the deck anyway. Might as well upgrade the manabase for cheap, hell, might even add a couple of shocklands now that they're cheaper in my country.
Yea for a deck that expensive you shouldn’t have to upgrade the lands
I mean, I get you can't get fetches and shocks right out of the box, but at least the battlebond lands would be nice, or even the pain or slow lands... Even the Dr Who decks came with better lands.
I picked up 2. I might open 1 or leave them sealed.
I bought one SL, the tinybones one, and its the first and last. Wotc knows about the scalpers and they simply told us "we dont care, give us more money, we need more money, give money now" and well, to them i say my printer it's gonna do some extra work.
This cats and dogs is reselling for almost 400.00, ajd the angels decl is selling for 400.00
It was worth it to buy. I understand wanting more, but this was one of the best decks they have ever put out.
A video on the perception that wizards is blind to the secondary market would be interesting because it's hard to find concrete facts
Do you mean "dachshund"? (pronunciation probably close to "ducks hoend") I love them too, grew up with two of them in the house. Here in Germany we usually call them "Dackel", the term "Dachshund" you use literally translates to "badger dog" (probably because they're often used as hunting dogs that can follow prey such as badgers into the burrow).
Your dogs are enormously cute, and there should be more dachshunds on Magic cards.
The 'charge the English more' thing is probably for two reasons. 1) because they can (biggest reason) and, 2) because Brexit - unit costs for things like importing onto the island and taxes have gone up quite a bit. I wouldn't be shocked if, on a per-unit basis, after all expenses Wizards isn't making the biggest margin on the US lairs (assuming they're produced and distributed in the US). Of course, that guess breaks down if they're locally produced in each market.
Products like this are a big part of why I proxy everything now. I rarely play card games with other players IRL, so I cannot justify paying high prices for things I'll only get value out of once or twice. If they do a Secret Lair Deck for something I adore like Star Wars, Arcane (LoL), Marvel, etc. I will be extremely upset but not surprised.
High quality proxies it is and will stay by the looks of it
I was going to wait until my next pay check to buy one (so Feb). I expected it to sell out, but not WITHIN SIX HOURS, with no email saying that it dropped.
The deck is cool, the alt arts are nice...but the deck looks like it will play terribly. There's little interaction, little ramp, it looks like a deck I would have made when I was new to Magic if Rin and Seri was a commander then. I thought the land count in the Angels deck was bad but that deck actually PLAYS WELL.
WotC absolutely bought hard into the theme to justify the price, and the fact that it was able to sell out in less than a day is a problem. If they're gonna push for it be pre-printed, they should have the ability to have it printed to order for at least two weeks after it sells out. Give the general population a chance.
It is very funny to watch this hobby just eat itself alive. The blind greed from Hasbro and the inability for players to restrain themselves from buying wildly overpriced product is a match made in some circle of hell. I wonder sometimes if we will ever see MTG return to printing cardboard, but I know it's so unlikely to happen. They have no interest in giving up so much as a sliver of margin for the sake of keeping their base appeal any wider than it could be.
Side note, if you told me Anointed Procession was AI generated, I'd believe you.
To me, the wildcard in value is all of those basic lands with special art. It will be interesting to see what those settle at in price. Some SL lands are around $1 each, but many are $3-7 each.
The basics are currently preselling for over $20 a piece. Definitely a weird move to not consider that in the analysis
@@MosesSuppose They wouldn't be $20 a piece if this Lair wasn't $150... Other comparable basics in Lairs haven't really surpassed $7-8. It's not necessary in the analysist IMO because their market price is artificially inflated because the Lair price is artificially inflated.
@@danontheinternetsI disagree with that since having the basic lands be on theme is something comander players like.
@@notapplicable6985 Ok. They like it. And they've demonstrated they'll pay about a maximum of $7-8 per basic land. Do you have evidence to back up your feelings that I'm wrong?
A booster box went from 140 to 175 and now with play boosters a box goes for 210 in Canada. its insane at this point im think im done.
My problem with wildly expensive pre-cons like this is that the appeal is all in the theme and flavoring, but the deck is usually kind of crap. I think if their going to make a deck like this it should be at the very least highly optimized. After I inevitably have to change out half of the cards for better options the deck will quickly lose a lot of the theme and flavoring. WotC is already absolutely taking the piss with the $150 price tag and limited printing, at least provide all of the cards necessary to a deck like this. I had this problem with the 40k decks as well; at a certain point when making changes to the deck it stops being a 40k deck because so many of the 40k cards are mediocre.
you say it is not worth it but i have to disagree.
buying it would have been very worth it. you could have bought it for 150£ and can probably sell it now for atleast 200£. with the profit you can buy anointed procession as a single.
(for clarification: i dont do that and i dont like someone who does this but sadly wotc wants this to happen it seems and the point that it is financially worth it still stands even if it is morally questionable)
I love the Esika deck I got but all the other secret lairs just don't feel worth it.
Wizards has been trending this direction for the last several years, I've completely stopped purchasing sealed products, and will stay that way until things change pretty drastically back in favor of the run of the mill player.
I am finding more and more than foil cards not as desirable it seems in general - been prepping a shipment for Card Conduit and keep seeing either the foil less or almost equal more than a stark difference upward - also could be foils don't feel as special anymore IE Collector Booster effect
I need to pay for import too, so + 25% + 15 euro just for customs to import it :)
also it was 165 euro for me here....
Why do they just change the currency sign in front of the price when they release it in alternate markets?
Because they can and people have paid it because of FOMO.
I woke up at 4am here so I could get one. Including the not-free postage to Australia, it cost $270 in AUD. But then again I have been meaning to build a deck almost exactly like this, so I can just get this and take out the few cards I don't want in it and replace them. It's relatively economical in that way.
At least it's not the local pricing on Warhammer, which is completely arbitrary.
Why do they just change the currency sign in front of the price when they release it in alternate markets?
Answer: They dont.
USA unlike every other western country doesn't include tax until you pay. So for them it's $149.99 + Tax on top.
EU deck is actually €164.99 not €149.99
To start, I agree 100% that it SHOULDN'T be worth it to pay $150 for that product. The unfortunate part is that IF you bought it, and IF you bought 2, you would have been able to sell the 2nd copy on ebay today for $400 and got your deck for free. I did not do that, I think it's crummy that that is even a thing, but thing it is.
Yet another reason to keep banging the proxy drum
We use the extra money to hire tea pirates so we can steal and dump more English tea into the ocean.
as a european. it was 165. also it it was in € and not $, which means its even more expensive. so yeah. no thanks.
also, i already have a rin and seri deck. so i'll probably just try and find the sol ring, lands and tokens.
One of my cats chews my beard! Secret Lair: Beard-Chewers Unite!
I love dogs. My dog is my life. I had to buy this deck.
Yeah, I don’t feel like I missed out. I can get the 4 fallout decks for about the same price.
Another disappointing factor with these items is resale. A not insignificant number of buyers are just looking to turn a profit. There's always that divide between Magic players and Magic 'investors.'
2:03 - Premium? Laughs in Australian
yes
Here's the thing, if the deck was printed on demand the deck would have never sold out. The other secret lairs that did sell out, the same, if they were print to demand they would have languished for the next two months. FOMO is a thing.
Honestly these $150 secret lair commander decks have always felt waaaay overpriced to me, even though I really liked a couple of the artworks in some of them. And now that Secret Lairs are limited print instead of print to demand it's likely going to reduce the amount of them I buy too. Hasbro had better be careful, players can only stretch their budgets so far and the more they're forced to skip products they otherwise would have been interested in because of greedy pricing and too much being released the more comfortable they'll become just cutting their spending on the game altogether. Had more than a few friends stop buying cards for that exact reason.
Wait until you realize there are people listing it for $1000 now
@@enoesiw Those are the people who try to list it immediately and make a massive profit. It will settle to around $400-$450 at the most.
“A sucker is born every minute.’ - Hasbro
A dog deck isn’t just for Christmas…
Fleecing machine go burrr
The value proposition outside of draft is terrible in magic now. Boxes of literal cardboard that cost as much as a PlayStation.
And they raised the price of draft.
I grabbed one because I’ve been wanting to make my wife a cat and dog deck anyway.
As much as I would've liked to own this deck I couldn't warrant £150 for one deck. Especially when you can get all 4 ixalan or karlov manor decks for less.
i love those dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love all dogs!!!!!!!!!
Those flip art cards are great because its another thing that invalidates 30th anniversary edition
I didnt buy this either because I am primarily a dog person and was disappointed with the lack of dogs.
I do want to try and get the sol ring and the secret card Yoshimaru alt art. The annointed procession would be great too but will probably be to $$ for me to justify.
As a US GW games player I need to bask for a moment in a Brit complaining about the cost difference just for being in a different country. Ok - basking done. Yeah its proper shite.
I didn't order this because my deck Reigning Cats & Dogs is better than this list already.
I'm certainly not got to pay $150 to upgrade the art on my lands and a handful of cards plus two tokens.
If I find singles for these at some point I may pick up the ones I want one at a time. Maybe I'll find a land pack that someone doesn't need to gouge for.
PK you should look at how much the US and Australia each pay for warhammer models. The gouging happens both ways.
I'm already aware. I weep for my Australian brothers and sisters (and non gender conforming)
SpongeBob cards will change the game forever. We'll see amazingly powerful & cute Nickelodeon cards selling for Bitcoin prices.
Dachshunds are pronounced Dock-sun, at least here in the US
Was quite confused by the way he pronounced it aswell😂. It's originally a german word (lit. translates as 'badger dog'), the proper pronunciation is Daks-hunt, with a as in car, u as in pull and emphasis on the first syllable.
150$ bought me a TRex, Hunting Raptors, and Dino DNA… wait…. I still have money left!
Im glad it sold out before i could even think about buying it............
Just monetarily the Angels Commander deck alt art cards are skyrocketing. Gisela is now approaching 100 USD. Rin & Seri are about 30$ and scarse, anointed being one of the alt art almost guarantees its value.
Of course WotC could reprint them into oblivion and the price could crash.
I'm sorry... you're telling me I started playing competitive magic almost a decade ago? No way I'm that old. No. I refuse to accept it.
Agree with the video, but have a sidenote. is that how people say "Dachshund" in the UK? For reference, it's a two part german word: "Dachs" (eng: "badger") + "Hund" (eng: dog). Even pronouncing it like "ducks hunt" would be closer. What's funny to me is, that's not even the german name for these dogs. That's "Dackel". this isn't meant as criticism. it was just funny to me.
No you didn’t miss out if you didn’t buy it you saved yourself a 150 bucks that you can put elsewhere. As well as exercising good impulse control not buying everything that gets put out. down the road they will release another “must buy product” that’s just how this works
Yay, doggos! ❤
And it's almost immediately sold out
IMO the prices are set based on human psychology. The number 150 is the goal, not the buying power of that in your local currency. Which is kind of scummy in its own way.
I don't get it, it's like Wizards doesn't even want all the money they could get. I would buy this if it came to a local store at full price. I however am not gonna buy the deck online from some scalper. Why not just print a bunch of these to sell at stores?
You named one of your dogs Bovril? Like after the drink? Oh, and this thing is going to be 600 in no time.
I hate secret lairs, and now with their new sales model scalpers are gonna have a field day
Isn't the answer just double speak? I'm pretty sure WotZ acknowledged the secondary market officiously, and in roundabout ways multiple times...