Scout Rush Build Order With Visual Overlay
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Hey guys, this is my 21 pop scout rush build order that is useful at pretty much all levels. I partnered up with NkoDragas, a graphic designer around the community with some sweet skills. He designed the overlay that will run as the video plays, which will hopefully make the build order easier to follow!
If you guys do like this style, let us know in the comments and we'll cover other builds in the future.
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Props to Nko Dragas for the overlay, highly recommend you guys check out his other work, I linked it in the description. Give us some feedback on this style of build order videos. If you guys like it then we will do more in the future!
The overlay is a great addition! Also, I will send 3 vils to wood now instead of 4, so hopefully my opponent won't be fully walled when I get there. Great video!
Looks good! The overlay really makes a difference for memorising and reference.
Any chance of a video like this for a good general build order to use in most games? As a noob, that'd be the one I'd most appreciate :).
Yes definitely do more. Using that type of overlay is a fantastic idea for build order videos.
Another great Hera video idea!
Awesome work on this Hera! Would love to see you cover a m@a build and a drush build in the future, this is a great format.
Came here from Spirit of the Law
Thank you for the tutorial. That is so helpful. I really like your style of teaching, it is very motivating!!! :)
No problem
Awesome tutorial! I'm thinking about entering online play and have checked out a few different build orders. This is the best I've seen and that overlay is phenomenal! Thanks for throwing this together - maybe I'll stand a chance in my first multiplayer games after all lol
So I watched multiple time to all understand, I'm gonna list here what he does:
- 3 to Sheep
- 3 to Wood
- 1 to Boar who's gonna be a sheepered
- 4 to Berries
- 1 to Boar and became a sheepered (1 lumberjack build an house during this time)
- 1 to Sheep
- 2 to Wood (spot 1)
- 1 to Sheep
- 1 to Wood (spot 2)
- Update Loom
- Update to Feodal
- Send 4 sheepered -> to wood (spot 2, so you got 10 at food, and 10 at wood)
- When Feodal is up to 60%, build the barracks with any of your peons
- Yours sheepered will be out of work, so give them the wood near TC
- When barracks finish, build a Stable with the help of an other peon (and resent him to work when finish)
- Build 2 houses (walling)
- Switch progressively ex-sheepered (at wood near TC) to farmer
- Product Scouts & houses if needed
Thank you, great tutorial, and overlay helps a lot.
Something need doing? Work work.
first is 6 to sheep, not 3 to sheep :)
@@huzandikaurinta4067 you start with 3 villagers. the first 3 vils out of the TC is what's listed :)
and what we do next ?
@@Megas_Alexandros survive
I'm not a beginner anymore, and know a scout rush but this was still very helpfull, the small tips about the second vil to the stable and some other small stuff. Liked it a lot! Thanks and props for Overlay Guy Kappa
Thats great man, sometimes its those little things that can make or break a game
Alto laburo Nico Dragas :) Bien ahí!
Came here from the spirit of the law video
Nice video Hera
Keep it up
Welcome bro, thanks will do!
build orders somewhat remind me of chess openings...
Old Aoe player used to be top player in DM in Aok. I dabbled I’m RM was about a 1400-1600 ELO player on zone and voobly. Started playing again on Xbox for fun and got sucked in. Currently top 100 on controller. It took a lot to get used to but with experience I’ve run over everyone I’ve played. 21-0 currently and loving it. Probably start playing on PC again to climb the ladder there. Thx for the tips I’ve won a lot of games with scout rush.
This is so beautiful, my inner child shed a tear ;) I always wondered if it was okay to put 5 vills on berries to have a smoother transition from wood to food when your sheeps run out.
Is that possible or is the loss in efficiency caused by the bumping on the berries too big?
Keep up the brilliant work, honestly I can`t word how freaking amazing this video is!
I wouldnt recommend 5 on berries unless you were lamed. Its actually best to keep as few on berries as possible to have them last longer. Just preamptively build farms with the foragers so they dont idle and you have a really smooth and constant food gathering. So gradually put foragers on farms.
I know ive done a good job when i clicked up to Castle and still have one forager.
If you do this you gonna be quicker to Castle age and need fewer farms to do so.
What i often see is ppl having way too many farms because of not doing this and adding farms too slowly. Too many vills on farms leads to an unbalanced eco fyi.
@@ashmonkey2572 Thanks for your answer.
But why would you take them away from berries before they run out? Don`t you want to use your free food source to delay the wood investement for farms? I`m not sure if the gathering rate for farms is so much higher that you`ll see a noticeable difference. The number of farmers in late feudal should be dependent to your transition in caslte age.
@@ashmonkey2572 For example Im fan of 5 on berries. The reason why is when your opponent plays aggresive and put preassure on your base and f.e. opponent builds a tower on your berries you gathered more food because of that 1 extra vill. It depends on a lot of things but for me I feel like 5 on berries usually pays off and when I know my opponent wont preassure me early I build early farms with them to keep the berries longer.
@@ageofnumbersyt8557 i think you misunderstood me you leave villagers on berries but remove them more and more and put them on farms as the berries are starting to run out. In the end you will have only one berry bush left and one villager on it. So you are using the free food but keep reducing vills to keep gathering efficient. Note that berries dont decay. Its a cleaner transition into farms as you have villagers constantly on food. If you dont do this you will have 4 idle villagers when the berries are finished.
The amount of farmers usually is the same when you click up to castle. Wether it be scouts or archers youll end up with about 17 farms when you click up. With scouts you add farms earlier thats why you dont need more farms than if you go archers. After you clicked up to castle you set up your economy again as you dont need as many farms for xbows for example. Its the same you do after you click up to feudal. You put the vills on the res you need. Its just that you needed lots of food to click up.
Remember it and watch the pros do it, especially Hera.
@@skullthronecz9723 its situational yes. But if you scout rush you want to prevent a tower on your berries because its so important. Without the berries making more scouts is hard.
You can put 5 on berries, you can do whatever you want, but note that berries is slower than sheep or boar and that you wont see top players put more than 4 on berries.
I came for the build order and stayed for Niko Dragas....
is it possible that we get this overlay as AOE 2 mod? it's really interesting
Hera, your AoE tutorials already are the best ones on YT. This makes them even better!
Thank you from korea. Could you make archer and fc BO as well? It would be so helpful
Top tier video; great stuff! Question though: why make a lumber camp at the end of feudal if only one vill is going to use it? I would have thought to either drop a second lumber camp with a few vills to spread them out, or to just send all vills to the same lumbercamp to start and build second camp later (so all vills get chopping immediately). Is this more efficient, since only one vill has to build and have the walking time to the new camp while all other vills continue gathering wood?
As soon as you start researching feudal you move some villagers from sheep onto the new lumber camp and end up with a nice 5 + 5 split
Building the lumber camp with 1 vil is the most efficient way to do it. Then u said the other vils to it shortly after
Would’ve like to see the actual rush as well. Specifically, you say to attack immediately while I usually wait for 3-5 scouts and use those to attack in group. I’d have like to see how much better your approach is an if my microing can handle it (I assume spearman will come chasing the scouts)
Hey mate. What happens if you’re going for fast feudal and scouts and your opponent is going for DRUSH
I didn't know who Hera was until NAC3 and now hes my favorite person in DE
Dude thats insane, and i almost didnt make it to nac3, the things i wouldve missed out on..
If you liked NAC3, I think you'll like hidden cup 2. Hera will participate and I think it's likely he'll surprise with a win
Love content like this! I’m a new player and can’t wait to see more of your stuff!
I think this might be the most educating guide I have seen on youtube, well done! Really expect to see a M@A Archers BO up to Castle Age cuz that one tends to be a bit confusing.
Im thinking of doing that one next, not sure if i will extend it to castle age tho
It's really necessary to click on the map and smash the kboard like fcnkg crazy ?? It's annoying. . .
I recall that the meta used to be 22 pop for scouts. This build order calls for 21 pop. I'm just wondering why it has changed.
Nico dragas work is amazing. I totally fell in love at first sight with his work in TheManko's TH-cam channel. Great to see you guys are partners! Good luck!
This is your best intro vid so far Hera. The video was the perfect length. I loved that you got right into it, kept it basic and only explained what you needed to. You are a great teacher!
Vine acá por The Manko - El Lado B // Came here from The Manko.
Would love to see the build order all the way to caste age. When to get gold, how many farms...
Yeah, because when Hera finishes the video, he hasn't food for the next village or for the next scout :(
I like the tutorial, but the thing is, how you do this and walling at same time? Which time ia perfet for start walling? And how to go after that to reach next age.
Great overlay! helps me refine my BO
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Hi, which mod allows you to see the units production / researches in progress on top left of the screen? That is apparently very useful.
Thanks for the tutorial, Hera! What do you think about the deer in that buildorder? Is it worth to push it with the scout early, or is it more important to scout?
I tend to go low on food when I do scout rushes, so hunting deer might be useful?
What do you mean by going low on food? Its quite tight build order but you should be able to keep producing scouts non stop.
Deer certainly helps, faster Castle time or quicker Upgrades on scouts, quicker Transition to ranges, but id prioritize scouting. At least find your starting resources. (It depends as always, but generally id say scout your base first)
If your quick at scouting you can push deer and still scout your enemy in time. But dont over do the luring.
Btw if you have trouble with food and cant keep making scouts, maybe skip horse collar. Biggest mistake is idle time. Try to optimize your boar timings and kill them right under the tc. If not timed perfectly better kill another sheep. Its better to waste some food than to have idle time.
For me it depends on what my opponent may do: if your opponent is going archers, I’d say scout them first so you can slow down their snowball by slowing down their wall off.
If your opponent is going scouts you can push deer to get to upgrades quicker.
But if your mongols I would suggest pushing your deer whenever you can to make use of their bonus.
Personally i wouldnt recommend luring deer till ur at least a top 100 player. Learn to scout and execute the build how it is. Luring deer will rarely win u the game,but scouting ur enemy's exposed ressources might!
Amazing idea. Thank you for this video.
I’ve also seen you do 20 pop scout guide, in what case would you do 20 vs 21 pop
Thank u hera!
It’s amazing how 1 villager can make the difference in a build order, I was always one vil short on wood and it would slow down my stable whenever I built walls.
Yes! Builds are really tight thesw days,and there is always a way to improve ur efficiency with them
Nice build order! Thanks Hera!
no problem!
Idk if this changed, but after building house number 4 I don't have enough for the lumber camp when I'm supposed to build it
Awesome video. I usually struggle to keep producing scouts so this video was really helpful. Also it’s really cool you respond to people’s comments, keep it up.
Very informative & clear, thanks Hera
Yeah super style. Continue
Everytime I try to do this I send in 5 scouts and they get killed off by a single pikemen. Fuck this game lol
This is good content. Straight forward and very helpful. Keep up the good work.
I'd be interested in fast caste build order. Btw, do you ever build walls or is it a waste of stone?
The overly at the bottom is really cool! Keep it going!
Thanks! We def will
Why standard difficulty?
Don't forget to spend your wood on farms as soon as you have it!
Muy importante. 60 wood ---> farm and dont touch the 10 vills in wood. Keep them there
Came here from AOE's FB page. Thanks for the vid
I amazed by the efficiency here. Love this style of video by the way! Is it worth it to get Forging/Bloodlines whilst you attack, and which one would you say is more effective for a Scout rush?
Id recommend attacking way before that. However if u have alot of scouts(6+) id say pick up bloodlikes or armor. U can pick up both if u plan to continue making scouts instead of going castle age, which is a very valid strategy btw
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 thank you! This helps a lot. I think my scout rushes are failing because I hit Feudal too late, or because I'm waiting to get too many (probably a mixture of both)
@@ShadowCrystallux usually 3 scouts on top of the starting one are enough to cause a ton of idle time, then you start considering if you wanna commit to feudal (in which case you can make more scouts then upgrades) or go castle.
@@afz902k interesting. I'll have to try it. I've been going for 6 scouts total as I find this number of scouts are fantastic for sniping villagers, but it's sub-optimal timing wise.
Could you do a DE version of your m@a into archers plzz?
Most likely next!
Awesome tutorial. Trying to become more efficient at AoE2 can be stressful xD and this was very helpful. Great job Hera and Nko! Looking forward to more!
Sooner than you think!
Is the decaying sheep food not worth picking with 1 vil? it seems like with the 77 leftover food you can go for that over the hunt right?
NKO DRAGAS ES UN GROSO
TY!
Played a hard ai with this strat, took 1hr to win.
Played a 1000 ranked player, took 30 minutes.
great combination of explanation and overaly. what would really interest me is: what is the advantage of a Scout opening over a Drush, MAA or Archer opening?
(you will probably do the other ones as weel I assume)
Map control through mobility and scouting info. Id say the latter is biggest advantage of scouts. You can dictate the fights, where and when they will happen.
But caution scouts are shit against walls. So dont over do them. If enemy is walled stop scout production.
Your mobility also makes it easier to surprise your enemy, and unlike archers scouts don’t need upgrades to be useful in castle age since they are perfectly fine at sniping monks.
Scouts also transition well in knights, camels or mounted archers (since you need a stable to upgrade them.)
I think the biggest advantage is the good eco. All upgrades and a lot of farms really early.
I'd like more videos of this style
i have to watch your videos on 0.75 speed most of the time to actually absorb the info
please make more
I'm going to try this thanks for the video!
Benchmarks for me:
9:42 feudal time sweet jesus (8:05 in video)
Wow! Great tutorial. The overlay is amazing!
When to build blacksmith & what upgrades should you get first, bloodlines / blacksmith attack / blacksmith armor?
the overlay is a great idea
how do you adapt this to a civ like mongols who hunt faster? doing it this same way leaves lots of idle time since my villagers are gathering faster
More tutorials with visual overlay :D
Isn't 20pop scout standard? Why are you going 21?
And extra two on wood is also not what I learned, I learned to keep it at 3 for all of Feudal. Thoughts?
Comparing this BO with the recent KOTD is brutal. Huge change in the meta, just in 3 years. Congrats btw :)
Thx Hera - hope this will rush me out of lel. Still struggling to find the perfect boar timing. keep the good work up - and congrats on winning tournaments lately :)
Can you do a video about what happens next? How to keep going your economy... Will be nice have a more advanced tips! Awesome video by the way! Thanks!!
Really like the build order videos, but as a new player, I'd like to know more about the goal of this build oder, and maybe why would choose this buildorder vs another build order (i.e. why you would choose scout rush instead of drush or fast archer or something). Also maybe when not to use this strat (i.e. any particular civ or map choices this build might not work for).
You should really do some different build orders videos. You are very good at explaining, and a pro player, so you really know what you're doing. Thanks.
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very nice !
This is my build and I still get shit on by anyone over 1000
Simple and clean explaining bro. I am a noob. I am at be pro noob in few min.
If you do nothing but this build, what elo do you end up on?
Thanks Hera!
I just started playing multiplayer games recently and i found this really useful!! please upload more videos like this!!
so what happened? did it work? you stopped in the middle
That was great. Would like to see a FC build in this style as I learned it from the art of war campaign and I've seen pros comment on how that one is not a good FC build.
one year practicing 4 hours a day and I beat you
Why do you sometimes garrison the villagers before sending them to another job?
You save walking time and instant drop off.
Is the overlay available for download?
I love this, Hera, I am a teacher and gotta tell you that this is great content. You explain really well and I am really learning with this. I love the 15 videos that you did explaining and every time you check your own games and explain what you did wrong etc. I would love more of these, this is like spirit of the law but practical, which is what we needed. Well done.
Is there anyway to get the overlays in game?
Dragas, the name of design!
love u
what hotkeys to get back to the scout cavalry?
Great video!!! that overlay shit is amazzzing!! greets from Chile
lol where is the saracen market scout rush?
Hello, when do i go for gold after that ? And how many for a FC after that
Would like to see what you do with your scouts and show that it is effective.
We need an update ! 18-19-20 pop! 🖤
Grande Nko Dragas!! sos un genio
This was super helpful thank you!
how many scouts for the rush?
This still work in 2021?
Can you do a 500 pop game pleaseee
Super nice video! HeraHype
Man, we need more of those videos! The most common strats now a days. Thanks!!
Don't you have part two?
Hera sos un maestro!