"Someone's living in my house. OsCorp doesn't exist. My son..." Man that line gets me. It really drives home how terrifying it is to be sucked into an alternate universe having no clue where you are or what to do.
@@BladedBearnorman does not know that Harry Osborn/New green was trying to kill tobey Spider-man and goblin teams with tobey Peter Spider-man sacrife and died by saving Spider-man from
... Or terrifying to suffer from a mental disorder that makes you lose your job, your house, your family. The fact the scene happens in a homeless shelter also aludes to this more general theme/issue.
Its interesting how well defoe brings this aspect of Norman to the front. He's a very ill man and does need help, it just happens to be one whose also very dangerous.
In the original movie, Norman was complicit in the Goblin's rampage and was highly neglectful of Harry which made it hard to sympathize with Peter 2's decision to honor his promise to not tell Harry how he actually died Which is why I'm happy NWH fixes this by showing Norman trying to cut out the Goblin and, after being reduced to homelessness, all he can think about now is seeing his son again
I feel like Tobey (Peter 2) kept his promise for Harry’s sake rather than Norman’s. Plus, I always felt like Norman did love Harry in his own way. Mostly because of his “ Do you know how much I sacrificed!?” line which also implies that time with Harry was one of those Sacrifices. But that’s just me.
Back then it wasn't popular yet to have villains with more than one side to their personality. It was easier to just make him a greedy business man losing it and making a deal with the devil. That doesn't work anymore, the audience demands more facettes from their bad guys now. Which is a good thing.
That’s not true at all as Peter 2 shouldn’t have told Harry that his dad was a super villain and killed a bunch of people and was going to kill even more innocent people like MJ, the girl that both Peter AND Harry liked. This should be obvious TO sympathize with him with here. That’s a good enough reason TO sympathize with Peter 2’s decision as no one wants to tell their best friend that they’re father is an evil person.
How is him actually took his son to school and even brought him his bag is neglectful even though his son is already old enough to not be accompanied to go to school He's really doting harry, it's just him going bat insane due to being betrayed and goblin serum He even joined when his son invited him for thanksgiving in aunt may's house
Fun fact, original drafts of Spider-Man 3 had Harry knowing the entire time. The butler scene would’ve opened to a wider shot with Harry being completely alone. Bernard had been gone a while more than likely. Harry was the one to clean the wound and realize who his father was that night, and he couldn’t cope, so he suppressed the memory. It would make sense because in reality Norman left a HUGE trail to himself as GG. Being the only one with access to different tech stolen, the board members firing him and immediately getting killed, etc. and although Sandman mentioning everyone knew of GG as Norman was probably a retcon for this movie, in the og scripts that was in fact the original intent.
Norman is a good man, we can see how vulnerable and scared he is in this scene. Despite being a scientist and a strategic person in some cases, he’s lost and has no idea what to do in a universe that’s not his own. Just imagine how he’s feeling, going to a universe almost similar to his own without warning, seeing he doesn’t exist and that his life, his own son, mean nothing there, it probably broke him mentally.
I mean, it'd be like if you were up and plucked from your universe and ended up being put in a different universe pretty much. Everyone you ever cared about doesn't exist. Everything you've ever known, gone. You are living but you don't exist. It'd destroy anyone mentally.
I'm not sure. While he did end up killing plenty of people under Goblin's control, he was still going along with Goblin's plan to hurt Peter by hurting Aunt May in the 2002 film.
@@malcolmmorin only cause he was influenced and didn’t have a choice. Not only that but he had been put through so much to the point where he didn’t think there was any other options.
Lol what? Norman is NOT a “good man” AT ALL, he’s a corrupted businessman who has problems with son and the people around him. Just because he’s scared and vulnerable in this scene, doesn’t mean he was a good person before hand. Use common sense here as Norman ultimately IS an evil person that caused the Goblin persona to come out and kill a bunch of in on wit people. He’s not a “gOoD mAn” AT ALL, you’re just being overly emotional and sappy. He was pure evil but he’s FAR from being a “saint” or a “good man” AT ALL as he’s had multiple showings he’s not much of a good person to the people around him or even his son that much as he neglects him. And it just looks like your being sappy and projecting your overly emotional feelings out here.
The moment Norman says he saw Spiderman is when he was plucked from his presupposed timeline. Also, I'm not suprised with the tattered purple hoodie he (still) wears later on, as that references both his comics-accurate style & the one he wore in the burning building.
He was likely taken while on his way to May's house. The spell pulled the characters around the time they each learn Peter is Spider-Man while they have their powers and costumes. When Norman found out Peter was Spider-Man his first thought was to go after May...Who's he with in this scene? May... The only one who is hard to explain is Electro, but my thought is that because the TASM movies revolved around the conspiracies around Peter and his parents at Oscorp, and Max was absorbing data from Oscorp, Electro found out just before he died in TASM 2. Lizard is easy he found out in the sewer with the camera. He does mention his device, which is a continuity error for some, but it's possible he just took context clues from Max saying what his future plan was and believed in his own future idea. Otto was pulled as soon as he grabbed Tobey by the neck after he was originally cured (Tobey didn't calm him down yet so he's still out of control and paranoid) Sandman is handled poorly in my eyes because he fights Peter even though he's supposed to have been taken after the Venom fight where Harry died. I personally think it would have been better thematically if he was taken the moment Tobey (with the Symbiote) mentioned Ben Parker. This would have been better because it would explain his reluctance to go back because he knows the other villains were killed in fights with Spider-Man and that fight with symbiote Spider-Man was Peter out for blood. I just wanted to further elaborate on the idea of when these guys were pulled. Venom fucks with all this unfortunately, but I do have a theory behind that mess even if I think it's kinda dumb.
@Gabe_The_Babe, have u not heard the evidence before u?! 1. He said he saw Spiderman, then was pulled out of his timeline & into the MCU. 2a. The Goblin was in control at the time, as he deduced it there. Norman, however, finds out ONLY when he takes back control (of his body) and unmasks himself. 2b. This means that around the time Norman was transported to the MCU, Goblin says "Please don't let him take me again!" 3. Norman mentions things that happen ONLY after he died, implying that the Goblin has told him of these things. Remember the Goblin cameos in Spiderman 2 & 3? Yep, kinda weird but it makes sense in the movie!
@@gabbpolicarpio1236 You're forgetting one major scene from this movie. Strange straight up says that only people who knew Peter was Spiderman would be pulled into the timeline. So Norman couldn't have been pulled during the building fight as by that time he didn't know Spiderman identity. It had to have been sometime after the Thanksgiving scene.
@@gabethebabe3337 I believe in the case of people who’re still alive it just plucks them from the current point of the timeline. So with Tobey and Andrew it’s just whatever day it was currently in their universe when the spell hit (end of the branch so to speak) same for Sandman as he’s still alive Only weird exception for that rule is Lizard because he seemed to come in most likely when he found Peter’s camera but seeing how Conners is alive in the TASM universe it should have just pulled him in at the same time as Andrew
It's pretty wild to know that prior to this, he tried going to his penthouse, but saw somebody else living there, tried going to his job, but likely saw a vacant lot or another company already existing in its stead, tried to contact Harry, but couldn't find his name/# in his contacts, and was just wandering around terrified until he saw Spider-Man on a billboard, and figured, "Wow, the only familiar face here, maybe he can help me understand where we are???"
Gotta say, Tom’s Peter looks good in that black inside out suit, better than how he worn the stealth suit. Couldn’t imagine how he’d be like in the actual black suit👀
No, as Otto had informed him earlier about Norman, and about how- to Otto- Norman had been dead for years. Peter also begins to say "I thought you were..." reinforcing that idea.
Goblin kinda had a point, Peter was all set to round everyone up to send them back like Strange told him too, but May guilts him into curing them instead/wants him to solve the problem her way(which Goblin calls them out on later), which I find a little unfair cos Peter would never wanna go against his aunt and she knows that. To be fair it's true the villains did need help getting better and Strange shouldn't have treated their welfare like a minor inconvenience, considering he's an actual medical doctor(a former neurosurgeon and not a psychiatrist but still a doctor who at least had dealt with physical mental disorders) and if he hadn't been so impatient to get rid of them maybe he could've done his part too.
Yep, the 3rd act was caused by may herself indirectly But the decision is still on peter, it was when he heard they were going to die is what drives him to try to help them
Sometimes you have to put yourself first. Ultimately, Peter was right about bringing them back to their universes. There was nothing they could do about them all being killed by Peter Parker. Also, it's bad in general to mess with someone elses fate in their universe. Sure might've not died when brought back to their universes but it would've affected the timeline and something even worse could happen.
He thought they'd live in the universe but when strange said they'll die. Peter remembered what may said but if Peter found Norman outside of FEAST he'd send him to sanctom sanatorium strange and pete wouldn't fight but the others protest when they heard "die" Peter was going take a dark route
@@rodrigomarcondes5857 how was it selfish, he was doing it to make sure Ned and MJ got into MIT he didn’t care if he got in he even kinda objected when the MIT Liaison said she’d get him in as well
@@mrcritical6751 He only talked to MIT Liasion *after* his first attempt to solve the problem blew up in his face. Yes it was selfish because it was a problem he created and he wanted the easy way out of it, he didn't even consult his friends on it and didn't care about brainwashing the whole world into the solution. The main premisse of the movie is that all of this happened because Peter wanted the easy way out of a problem, how can you miss that basic plot? did you watch the same movie?
@@rodrigomarcondes5857 I know he wanted the easy way out, doesn’t change the fact that he wanted it for others not for him. Even when he goes to Strange he makes it about Ned, MJ, Happy and May’s lives being wrecked not about his
He decides to resist Goblin, but he didn’t do much to try fighting him off in the 2002 movie, especially that scene with the mask on the chair, and it seems like he came from a time that’s not too long after that scene as he already knew Spider-Man’s identity.
The amount of trauma Aunt May ended up putting on Peter by shaming him into helping people he just met who he knows full well are dangerous. I love this movie. But this always felt like a very controversial thing for May to do.
Yeah unfortunately, that's something May has always been synonymous for doing being a proverbial weight on Peter's conscience resulting in him making some utterly disastrous decisions. What's odd is this movie, plays off of one of Spider-Man's most infamous stories Brand New Day where Peter gave up his marriage to MJ just to save May's life by making the world forget that he was Spider-Man... needless to say, this didn't go down very well. Yet here he gives up his life to protect those he still loves and loses May anyway. I think they likely took cues from the Spider-Man PS4 game which was the first continuity to kill May outright but actually had that death make an impact on who Peter is as a character.
No it's cuz they were all looking for the green goblin who was throwing around bombs so when May calls him he thinks the Green Goblin is gonna be dangerous only to be met by a depressed middle aged man who's very subdued.
Green goblin met aunt may and attack her twice from 2002-2022 in 2002 she is alive and 2022 in the MCU she is dead because she got sliced by his glider
Idk why but it made me so upset when she was like "For them or for youself" when Peter was talking about sending them back. Like! May! This kid has *seen some stuff* and he's just trying to do what Strange told him, like yeah it's his fault that they are there and yeah it's a noble thing she's trying to do, helping the villains, but like, please, Peter has enough on his plate at that point, more than enough. Idk it just made me upset
I felt the same way. While he is a super hero he can't fix everything in the word. He's so young and already has so much things to juggle from getting into to college to protecting the city. I felt like she was trying to make him out the be selfish.
@@kayalyssmay I'm wondering if we needed a conversation/debate between May and Strange about what needs to be done, probably unnecessary but since they're what pulls Peter into two opposing directions and they never even meet in this, just wishful thinking.
Yea like it's theirs to decide whether they died by the spiderman in their universe or to survive, especially after sandman told them they already dead, that alone is already fucked up so much of the multiversal canon events since they know they died by spiderman, they can just dodge him or have a different strategies to beat him. Now they got cured, it's even more anomalies to the systems.
I think time will tell. We still have spiderman freshman year and I think harry osborn is a good candidate to be new peter partner. Oscorp may not exist yet but doesn't mean it will never be founding in the future (or may be it's already secretly exist).
The last time he saw him he had just blown up a bridge, and Otto told him that if it was in fact Norman that he was a greedy, misguided scientist. Peter thought if the Goblin was at FEAST, he'd be there to kill everyone in the building. I swear y'all pay no attention.
When Aunt May talks to Norman, she should make him believe in himself, that he can take back control of his life with a vigorous, go-getter attitude, so that he can feel when the Goblin is starting to take over his mind. Norman will state he's never put in the effort to consciously feel the Goblin's presence before, always simply feeling at the mercy of his conversely, assured, confident existence. Peter can be alerted that Norman is feeling off, so that he then web-swings him away to a far away, deserted place e.g. a smaller, empty road. Norman will be onboard with the plan despite the web-swinging turbulence, as he's desperate to be normal again. Peter will still not send Norman back to his universe so that he doesn't die, unless the Goblin begins to harm others - An innocent until proven guilty approach will verbally take place. It is ultimately revealed in the film that Norman possesses no control for when the Goblin takes over.
As much as I would have loved to have seen that, maybe as a way to help the good guys, I assume they either couldn't get James Franco or didn't want to. Honestly, Normal Osborn felt like a way better major villain for the movie.
It wouldn't be good for his character. He would have to fight Norman Osborn, his father, and Andrew would try to kill him because his Harry killed Gwen and doesn't want that for Tom.
@@blueraccoon1088 what gets me is that since Norman found it so quickly, there's an implication it's at the exact same address here as well in his universe despite everything else being different.
Another family. Peter ran across the rooftop of the same building used for the Osborn residence in the original Raimi films during the ending of Far From Home. Norman would've went there, as it's the same address, but obviously he never lived there in this universe, so his lair is gone and someone else owns it.
Because he got his sanity back and though destroying the mask would keep the goblin from controlling his mind again. Unfortunately the goblin personality was with him all the time even without the goblin mask on.
This is how I imagine a Harry Potter version of the part where Norman destroys his mask: Quirrell from the real movies (or Wizarding Earth 1 for the characters in my imagination) is in Knockturn Alley in an alternate universe called the Wizarding Cinematic Universe (or Wizarding Earth 3 for the characters, an imaginary franchise where I set a 2nd Harry Potter reboot series I imagine) putting his turban with only 1 hand, since he lost his other hand by burning it by touching Harry in The Philosopher's Stone, and trying to escape from Voldemort, who got his body and mortality back as a secondary effect from that universe's Dumbledore's spell that caused them to get there Voldemort: coward! We have a new world to conquer. You make me sick Quirrell: leave me alone. Please Voldemort: hiding in the shadows. Hiding from who you truly are! Quirrell: No! Voldemort: You can't escape yourself! Although now that I have my body back I don't need you anymore! Quirrell throws depulso at Voldemort, Voldemort turns into a shadow and flies around the city and Quirrell runs away Voldemort: hahahahaha!
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"Someone's living in my house. OsCorp doesn't exist. My son..."
Man that line gets me. It really drives home how terrifying it is to be sucked into an alternate universe having no clue where you are or what to do.
@@BladedBearnorman does not know that Harry Osborn/New green was trying to kill tobey Spider-man and goblin teams with tobey Peter Spider-man sacrife and died by saving Spider-man from
@@BladedBear probably looking for anything resembling a familiar face to hook him back to reality and get him some help
... Or terrifying to suffer from a mental disorder that makes you lose your job, your house, your family. The fact the scene happens in a homeless shelter also aludes to this more general theme/issue.
That was so sad when Norman found out his son died
Its interesting how well defoe brings this aspect of Norman to the front. He's a very ill man and does need help, it just happens to be one whose also very dangerous.
Imagine if William Afton Had D.I.D and Had Tons of Money and Had Very "Very" Advanced Tech in Hands
Love how he started stealing the donuts as they were debating what to do with him
Otto's line of saying Norman was a greedy man only intensifies
I love the fact they look back he stops but when they turn around he keeps going 😂
I saw this movie 5 time already and I just barely notice he was doing that
I don’t think that was in the script lol 😂
Just like in Spider Man who he steals Thanksgiving food
"But you're not him...."
Crazy how that one line had so much baked into it, seeing as he was expecting to see Tobey.
Willem Dafoe is a master of portraying pathos and stress.
In the original movie, Norman was complicit in the Goblin's rampage and was highly neglectful of Harry which made it hard to sympathize with Peter 2's decision to honor his promise to not tell Harry how he actually died
Which is why I'm happy NWH fixes this by showing Norman trying to cut out the Goblin and, after being reduced to homelessness, all he can think about now is seeing his son again
I feel like Tobey (Peter 2) kept his promise for Harry’s sake rather than Norman’s.
Plus, I always felt like Norman did love Harry in his own way. Mostly because of his “ Do you know how much I sacrificed!?” line which also implies that time with Harry was one of those Sacrifices. But that’s just me.
Back then it wasn't popular yet to have villains with more than one side to their personality.
It was easier to just make him a greedy business man losing it and making a deal with the devil. That doesn't work anymore, the audience demands more facettes from their bad guys now.
Which is a good thing.
That’s not true at all as Peter 2 shouldn’t have told Harry that his dad was a super villain and killed a bunch of people and was going to kill even more innocent people like MJ, the girl that both Peter AND Harry liked. This should be obvious TO sympathize with him with here.
That’s a good enough reason TO sympathize with Peter 2’s decision as no one wants to tell their best friend that they’re father is an evil person.
How is him actually took his son to school and even brought him his bag is neglectful even though his son is already old enough to not be accompanied to go to school
He's really doting harry, it's just him going bat insane due to being betrayed and goblin serum
He even joined when his son invited him for thanksgiving in aunt may's house
Fun fact, original drafts of Spider-Man 3 had Harry knowing the entire time. The butler scene would’ve opened to a wider shot with Harry being completely alone. Bernard had been gone a while more than likely. Harry was the one to clean the wound and realize who his father was that night, and he couldn’t cope, so he suppressed the memory. It would make sense because in reality Norman left a HUGE trail to himself as GG. Being the only one with access to different tech stolen, the board members firing him and immediately getting killed, etc. and although Sandman mentioning everyone knew of GG as Norman was probably a retcon for this movie, in the og scripts that was in fact the original intent.
Norman is a good man, we can see how vulnerable and scared he is in this scene. Despite being a scientist and a strategic person in some cases, he’s lost and has no idea what to do in a universe that’s not his own. Just imagine how he’s feeling, going to a universe almost similar to his own without warning, seeing he doesn’t exist and that his life, his own son, mean nothing there, it probably broke him mentally.
I mean, it'd be like if you were up and plucked from your universe and ended up being put in a different universe pretty much. Everyone you ever cared about doesn't exist. Everything you've ever known, gone. You are living but you don't exist. It'd destroy anyone mentally.
He's also something of a scientist himself.
I'm not sure. While he did end up killing plenty of people under Goblin's control, he was still going along with Goblin's plan to hurt Peter by hurting Aunt May in the 2002 film.
@@malcolmmorin only cause he was influenced and didn’t have a choice. Not only that but he had been put through so much to the point where he didn’t think there was any other options.
Lol what? Norman is NOT a “good man” AT ALL, he’s a corrupted businessman who has problems with son and the people around him. Just because he’s scared and vulnerable in this scene, doesn’t mean he was a good person before hand. Use common sense here as Norman ultimately IS an evil person that caused the Goblin persona to come out and kill a bunch of in on wit people. He’s not a “gOoD mAn” AT ALL, you’re just being overly emotional and sappy.
He was pure evil but he’s FAR from being a “saint” or a “good man” AT ALL as he’s had multiple showings he’s not much of a good person to the people around him or even his son that much as he neglects him.
And it just looks like your being sappy and projecting your overly emotional feelings out here.
Green Goblin: "Take the Donuts Norman"
The moment Norman says he saw Spiderman is when he was plucked from his presupposed timeline. Also, I'm not suprised with the tattered purple hoodie he (still) wears later on, as that references both his comics-accurate style & the one he wore in the burning building.
He was likely taken while on his way to May's house. The spell pulled the characters around the time they each learn Peter is Spider-Man while they have their powers and costumes. When Norman found out Peter was Spider-Man his first thought was to go after May...Who's he with in this scene? May...
The only one who is hard to explain is Electro, but my thought is that because the TASM movies revolved around the conspiracies around Peter and his parents at Oscorp, and Max was absorbing data from Oscorp, Electro found out just before he died in TASM 2.
Lizard is easy he found out in the sewer with the camera. He does mention his device, which is a continuity error for some, but it's possible he just took context clues from Max saying what his future plan was and believed in his own future idea.
Otto was pulled as soon as he grabbed Tobey by the neck after he was originally cured (Tobey didn't calm him down yet so he's still out of control and paranoid)
Sandman is handled poorly in my eyes because he fights Peter even though he's supposed to have been taken after the Venom fight where Harry died. I personally think it would have been better thematically if he was taken the moment Tobey (with the Symbiote) mentioned Ben Parker. This would have been better because it would explain his reluctance to go back because he knows the other villains were killed in fights with Spider-Man and that fight with symbiote Spider-Man was Peter out for blood.
I just wanted to further elaborate on the idea of when these guys were pulled. Venom fucks with all this unfortunately, but I do have a theory behind that mess even if I think it's kinda dumb.
@Gabe_The_Babe, have u not heard the evidence before u?!
1. He said he saw Spiderman, then was pulled out of his timeline & into the MCU.
2a. The Goblin was in control at the time, as he deduced it there. Norman, however, finds out ONLY when he takes back control (of his body) and unmasks himself.
2b. This means that around the time Norman was transported to the MCU, Goblin says "Please don't let him take me again!"
3. Norman mentions things that happen ONLY after he died, implying that the Goblin has told him of these things. Remember the Goblin cameos in Spiderman 2 & 3? Yep, kinda weird but it makes sense in the movie!
@@gabbpolicarpio1236
You're forgetting one major scene from this movie.
Strange straight up says that only people who knew Peter was Spiderman would be pulled into the timeline.
So Norman couldn't have been pulled during the building fight as by that time he didn't know Spiderman identity.
It had to have been sometime after the Thanksgiving scene.
@@gabethebabe3337 I believe in the case of people who’re still alive it just plucks them from the current point of the timeline. So with Tobey and Andrew it’s just whatever day it was currently in their universe when the spell hit (end of the branch so to speak) same for Sandman as he’s still alive
Only weird exception for that rule is Lizard because he seemed to come in most likely when he found Peter’s camera but seeing how Conners is alive in the TASM universe it should have just pulled him in at the same time as Andrew
My heart broke for him in this scene.
Same
1:22 this part is so different now that Freshman Year has been revealed. now i don’t know if he was gonna say “i thought you were… dead” or black.
No way that'd be cool but clearly FY is in an alternate universe
He was going to say “I thought you were evil/the goblin” it’s pretty clear
It's pretty wild to know that prior to this, he tried going to his penthouse, but saw somebody else living there, tried going to his job, but likely saw a vacant lot or another company already existing in its stead, tried to contact Harry, but couldn't find his name/# in his contacts, and was just wandering around terrified until he saw Spider-Man on a billboard, and figured, "Wow, the only familiar face here, maybe he can help me understand where we are???"
And then to find out it isn’t even the Spider-Man he knows…
0:57 To whoever wrote that: No he wasn't!!!
Gotta say, Tom’s Peter looks good in that black inside out suit, better than how he worn the stealth suit. Couldn’t imagine how he’d be like in the actual black suit👀
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0:37 The Goblin was right. There's no escaping him.
"The decisions you take, the actions you follow are a reflection of who you are; you cannot hide from yourself." I didn't say it
2:25 I love how Norman’s just casually stealing donuts in the background.
2:26 yep, Norman is starving
And they didn't get him his burritos later.. he got hangry.
ya he hasn't eaten in like 20 years
The beginning of this video is a good example of battling intrusive thoughts
Noble things can sometimes lead to the worst consequences.
Moral actions can also be given as blessing
Poor Norman, he lost everything.
Norman just mentioned his son.
“This isnt my problem!”
Bully maguire smiles
Bully Holland; This isn't my problem
Bully Maguire; Gonna cry
2:36 Tobey reference
It's actually a Spider-Man curse.
1:20 confirms Spider-Man knows a Norman Osborne in the 616 universe. Why does no one talk about this?
Aunt may didnt meet him before since shes introducing to Peter.
Except it doesn't, by this point Otto already told Peter that Norman was the Goblin.
No, as Otto had informed him earlier about Norman, and about how- to Otto- Norman had been dead for years. Peter also begins to say "I thought you were..." reinforcing that idea.
When yuichi usagi meets human sprinter and shredder
Goblin kinda had a point, Peter was all set to round everyone up to send them back like Strange told him too, but May guilts him into curing them instead/wants him to solve the problem her way(which Goblin calls them out on later), which I find a little unfair cos Peter would never wanna go against his aunt and she knows that. To be fair it's true the villains did need help getting better and Strange shouldn't have treated their welfare like a minor inconvenience, considering he's an actual medical doctor(a former neurosurgeon and not a psychiatrist but still a doctor who at least had dealt with physical mental disorders) and if he hadn't been so impatient to get rid of them maybe he could've done his part too.
Yep, the 3rd act was caused by may herself indirectly
But the decision is still on peter, it was when he heard they were going to die is what drives him to try to help them
Sometimes you have to put yourself first. Ultimately, Peter was right about bringing them back to their universes. There was nothing they could do about them all being killed by Peter Parker. Also, it's bad in general to mess with someone elses fate in their universe. Sure might've not died when brought back to their universes but it would've affected the timeline and something even worse could happen.
He thought they'd live in the universe but when strange said they'll die. Peter remembered what may said but if Peter found Norman outside of FEAST he'd send him to sanctom sanatorium strange and pete wouldn't fight but the others protest when they heard "die" Peter was going take a dark route
@@blueraccoon1088 yea
@@rodrigomarcondes5857 how was it selfish, he was doing it to make sure Ned and MJ got into MIT he didn’t care if he got in he even kinda objected when the MIT Liaison said she’d get him in as well
@@mrcritical6751 He only talked to MIT Liasion *after* his first attempt to solve the problem blew up in his face. Yes it was selfish because it was a problem he created and he wanted the easy way out of it, he didn't even consult his friends on it and didn't care about brainwashing the whole world into the solution. The main premisse of the movie is that all of this happened because Peter wanted the easy way out of a problem, how can you miss that basic plot? did you watch the same movie?
@@rodrigomarcondes5857 I know he wanted the easy way out, doesn’t change the fact that he wanted it for others not for him. Even when he goes to Strange he makes it about Ned, MJ, Happy and May’s lives being wrecked not about his
Peter: “This isn't my problem!
Me(after I slap Peter) : You just cursed yourself by saying that, pal.
He decides to resist Goblin, but he didn’t do much to try fighting him off in the 2002 movie, especially that scene with the mask on the chair, and it seems like he came from a time that’s not too long after that scene as he already knew Spider-Man’s identity.
The amount of trauma Aunt May ended up putting on Peter by shaming him into helping people he just met who he knows full well are dangerous.
I love this movie. But this always felt like a very controversial thing for May to do.
Yeah unfortunately, that's something May has always been synonymous for doing being a proverbial weight on Peter's conscience resulting in him making some utterly disastrous decisions. What's odd is this movie, plays off of one of Spider-Man's most infamous stories Brand New Day where Peter gave up his marriage to MJ just to save May's life by making the world forget that he was Spider-Man... needless to say, this didn't go down very well. Yet here he gives up his life to protect those he still loves and loses May anyway.
I think they likely took cues from the Spider-Man PS4 game which was the first continuity to kill May outright but actually had that death make an impact on who Peter is as a character.
I think Peter would've still helped the villains even if May hadn't told him. He only helped them when he found out they were going to die
Man, aunt May does not give Peter any breaks whatsoever :D
Can't wait to see Dafoe in Beetlejuice 2
He's Probably Asking Kraven, Where's Vulture.
Spider-Man No Way Home Norman Osborn 😯
1:39
I was feeling really sad for Norman in this scene (and I still do) but then I saw him swiping the donuts in the background and I started giggling.
as much as ben was a big influence on pete, may was an even bigger one
May was feeding her future killer.
I wonder how Defoe felt about suiting up in thr old goblin suit after 19 years
SPIDER MAN ON WAY HOME LEDGED AND BOO BOO
Ha Norman stole donuts
Imagine you fainting tom Holland waking you up
@1:22 was Peter about to reveal something about the Norman Osborne from his reality??
No it's cuz they were all looking for the green goblin who was throwing around bombs so when May calls him he thinks the Green Goblin is gonna be dangerous only to be met by a depressed middle aged man who's very subdued.
How does Peter know Norman’s second name is Osborne when Aunt May only introduced him as Norman??
I thought he was too
they should've never let him live he has nothing back home when he realize his son is gone and oscorp is finished!
Green goblin met aunt may and attack her twice from 2002-2022 in 2002 she is alive and 2022 in the MCU she is dead because she got sliced by his glider
Idk why but it made me so upset when she was like "For them or for youself" when Peter was talking about sending them back. Like! May! This kid has *seen some stuff* and he's just trying to do what Strange told him, like yeah it's his fault that they are there and yeah it's a noble thing she's trying to do, helping the villains, but like, please, Peter has enough on his plate at that point, more than enough.
Idk it just made me upset
I felt the same way. While he is a super hero he can't fix everything in the word. He's so young and already has so much things to juggle from getting into to college to protecting the city. I felt like she was trying to make him out the be selfish.
@@kayalyssmay I'm wondering if we needed a conversation/debate between May and Strange about what needs to be done, probably unnecessary but since they're what pulls Peter into two opposing directions and they never even meet in this, just wishful thinking.
Yea like it's theirs to decide whether they died by the spiderman in their universe or to survive, especially after sandman told them they already dead, that alone is already fucked up so much of the multiversal canon events since they know they died by spiderman, they can just dodge him or have a different strategies to beat him. Now they got cured, it's even more anomalies to the systems.
Though I fully approve of how she has the best of intentions, honestly in any case I hate it when people are manipulative like that
Yeah all she did was guilt trip him its pretty messed up.
Peter : “Norman osborn i thought you...” he is not refers to sam raimi osbron..
Does it mean mcu has its version of
norman osbron?
no Doc Ock said prior to this scene that Norman is supposed to be dead so Peter is also assuming that he supposed to be dead
No, because he says "Oscorp doesn't exist." It's replaced by Stark Industries.
I think time will tell. We still have spiderman freshman year and I think harry osborn is a good candidate to be new peter partner. Oscorp may not exist yet but doesn't mean it will never be founding in the future (or may be it's already secretly exist).
The last time he saw him he had just blown up a bridge, and Otto told him that if it was in fact Norman that he was a greedy, misguided scientist. Peter thought if the Goblin was at FEAST, he'd be there to kill everyone in the building. I swear y'all pay no attention.
How does he change into norman osborn ?
When Aunt May talks to Norman, she should make him believe in himself, that he can take back control of his life with a vigorous, go-getter attitude, so that he can feel when the Goblin is starting to take over his mind. Norman will state he's never put in the effort to consciously feel the Goblin's presence before, always simply feeling at the mercy of his conversely, assured, confident existence. Peter can be alerted that Norman is feeling off, so that he then web-swings him away to a far away, deserted place e.g. a smaller, empty road. Norman will be onboard with the plan despite the web-swinging turbulence, as he's desperate to be normal again.
Peter will still not send Norman back to his universe so that he doesn't die, unless the Goblin begins to harm others - An innocent until proven guilty approach will verbally take place.
It is ultimately revealed in the film that Norman possesses no control for when the Goblin takes over.
you think
what if you dimension is destroyed
Harry Osborn should have been in no way home
As much as I would have loved to have seen that, maybe as a way to help the good guys, I assume they either couldn't get James Franco or didn't want to. Honestly, Normal Osborn felt like a way better major villain for the movie.
Yeah but James Franco got cancelled
It wouldn't be good for his character.
He would have to fight Norman Osborn, his father, and Andrew would try to kill him because his Harry killed Gwen and doesn't want that for Tom.
@@logger22 That's true. That would have been a very weird conversation to have.
@@logger22 the Harry Osborn I’m talking about is James Franco
Aunt may had good intentions.but its cost her life that when Tom peter .took off the gloves
OK
Who's living in Normans house?
So Norman was looking for his house and found it but not his so he left
@@blueraccoon1088 what gets me is that since Norman found it so quickly, there's an implication it's at the exact same address here as well in his universe despite everything else being different.
@@rebajoe the city has same name, same addresses but not residential ownerships
Another family. Peter ran across the rooftop of the same building used for the Osborn residence in the original Raimi films during the ending of Far From Home. Norman would've went there, as it's the same address, but obviously he never lived there in this universe, so his lair is gone and someone else owns it.
@Robert Lee he lives that far out of town
He’s been Mind control
Not Mind Control, lmao.
@@viscoselight2348for Peter, it is
@@鄧焯文 not really.
0:35 Why Did He Do That?
Norman feared the Gobin. He thought smashing the helmet would shut the Gobin up.
And yet the Goblin was still there. Wearing Norman as a mask
Because he got his sanity back and though destroying the mask would keep the goblin from controlling his mind again. Unfortunately the goblin personality was with him all the time even without the goblin mask on.
hasn't eaten in 20 years
Why is Green Goblin controlling Dr. Norman Osborn
to kill Peter
Dhlr
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This is how I imagine a Harry Potter version of the part where Norman destroys his mask:
Quirrell from the real movies (or Wizarding Earth 1 for the characters in my imagination) is in Knockturn Alley in an alternate universe called the Wizarding Cinematic Universe (or Wizarding Earth 3 for the characters, an imaginary franchise where I set a 2nd Harry Potter reboot series I imagine) putting his turban with only 1 hand, since he lost his other hand by burning it by touching Harry in The Philosopher's Stone, and trying to escape from Voldemort, who got his body and mortality back as a secondary effect from that universe's Dumbledore's spell that caused them to get there
Voldemort: coward! We have a new world to conquer. You make me sick
Quirrell: leave me alone. Please
Voldemort: hiding in the shadows. Hiding from who you truly are!
Quirrell: No!
Voldemort: You can't escape yourself! Although now that I have my body back I don't need you anymore!
Quirrell throws depulso at Voldemort, Voldemort turns into a shadow and flies around the city and Quirrell runs away
Voldemort: hahahahaha!
Isn't the spell repulso? Opposite of Accrio. Or something?
@@davidchism6081 no. The spell is called depulso. There's no spell called repulso. Sorry
@@matiaspereira9382 it gets confusing. It's been a while since I've looked any of that up.
@@davidchism6081 although yes it's the opposite of accio. You're correct in that
She gets her ownself killed because of this thinking
Norman Osborn meets May. @willemdafoe,marisatomei