Harry Finds Out Peter Didn't Kill His Father Scene | SPIDER MAN 3 (2007) Movie CLIP HD
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Starring: Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, Thomas Haden Church, Topher Grace, Bryce Dallas Howard, James Cromwell, Rosemary Harris
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Harry Osborn should have been in no way home
Indeed.
I think given some recent controversies James Franco has had, it would've been kinda awkward. Tobey's poker incident is one thing, but Franco allegedly tried to hook up with a 16 year old... Not very good PR having someone with that reputation in your movie.
@@anamericaninbusan9389 They rehired James Gunn despite all the horrible PR there
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp he made A joke 10 years ago, This was not that long ago and he did admit that he has a sex addiction....😬
@@rikupikkarainen2108 a joke? It was several. Then there were also some of the photos of him at that party with a p-do theme.
I just wish in this scene he said something like “I didn’t tell you before because I didn’t want to ruin the image of your father in your eyes. But I realize now it’s effected your friendship with Peter.”
Yea the writing is pretty bad in this haha and Kirsten dunst is the worst haha
@@kylefunk546 yes even Kirsten Dunst has said in an interview that she wishes they would’ve made her more than just a damsel in distress 😂
@@AnavaeebaeeTheydve needed a different actress to play mary jane. She was fantastic playing a character out of her depth but not a superhero sidekick. Then again, Toby was a great peter parker but an average spiderman so i guess they fit.
Well if that happened then it means Pete Identity would have been revealed to him
But I guess the writer didn't want that
@@heavymetallabrat that was the original idea of bringing Gwen into the film, but it got changed during production, that's why Gwen essentially disappeared the entire last act of the film. So they defaulted to Mary Jane
The reason why Harry's butler waited until 2007 to explain the truth behind Norman's death was because he didn't realize until now that Peter and Harry's friendship was being threatened, and he was also afraid to tell him the truth, because he was worried how he would react when he found out that his father was the Green Goblin.
It makes perfect sense Bernard waited so long, especially since how he worried Harry would react to the news about Norman, and as he saw what was happening to Harry and Peter, he just knew he had to step in.
So in other words he was afraid of how he would react that his father was the Green Goblin so he told him before he became Green Goblin, made MJ leave Peter, huge grudge against Spiderman, messed up his face, slapping Peter in the face in front of everyone, and helped Doctor Octopus just so he can kill Spiderman. I mean he basically ruined Peter's life.
So he waited to see how Harry would react...by seeing all of this unfold instead of saying something when he had the chance, therefore ruining two lives in the process. Not sure that was the defense you were going for because ouch.
Wait. So the butler also knew Peter was Spider-Man?
@@squallofthedai hindsight is 20:20
James Franco was perfect for the role of Harry Osborn. I wish we saw him in no way home.
Agreed he should’ve been in no way home
@@tonyleidyiii1652 he is dead after spider man 3 timelinewise the peter of that universe in no way home is much older than he is in spider man 3
@@diam0ndcs They literally have green goblin
He couldn’t because James is under a lot of bad controversy, so they don’t want to ruin the mcu public image
@@sirjojohuizarii8321 MCU's reputation is already in shambles with all the new movies and shows that were not good.
i think Harry reacted so minimally because, on some level, he knew his father was a monster the whole time. Deep down, he likely believed Peter's story about his dad killing himself. He just didnt want to admit to himself that Norman was a self destructive maniac, because doing so meant he would have to confront Norman's neglect of him too, which was far too painful for Harry to admit to himself.
Not to mention the fact that his dad almost killed him when he blew up that balcony and didn't even care.
@@brittain7327dude, I never even put that together but you’re right
Just him running away from himself, huh.... You know, truth hurts, indeed. But face it, and get stronger from it. Don't run away from it. Running away from the truth by lying, especially to yourself will only make you weaker, and more pathetic.
So, even if that's a life like Hell you're walking into, and a life dripping full of hypocrisy, you still need to face it, cry, and stand up again, don't run away from it.
FACE THE TRUTH AND CONFRONT YOUR SINS AND MISTAKES. MAKE ATONEMENTS FROM IT.
@@faytesaurelius350 Uh, i'd just like to enjoy the tragedy of the character without the great value sigma grindset copypasta, thanks.
@@jackmcmorrow9397 sigma? Uh.... I dunno what you're spitting about but.... Anyways, instead of trying to run away from things that are traumatic to you, why don't you face it? That's what I am trying to say. Winning or die while trying to win. But never give up even in despair. Make it into a way of life.
I always love how it’s the butler that is the wisest of everyone in the family :)
But not wise enough to tell Harry b4
@@stavomatias3047Harry was arrogant and driven with rage I doubt he would’ve listened
You could say he is his uncle Ben lol
@@stavomatias3047Harry just lost his father on spider man 1 you think he would listen. So little glad the butler waited too tell him. When it was good timing
Sort of like Alfred for the family of Batman
Boy, he sure took his sweet time before finally just telling the truth.
No Way Home thankfully retconned this scene to imply that the whole city knew about how Osborne died and Harry was simply in denial. Harry just needed to hear the butler uplift him.
@@thatperformer3879 Again... Sure took his sweet time. Lol
"I TOOK A GRENADE TO THE FACE DUDE!"
If I was that Butler, I’d just count my losses and tell him in the first movie
Haha HISHE reference 😂
"I understood that reference"
@@RAYMOND75600 I understood this reference.
the one thing that came to my mind
Honestly when harry finally came to save peter. His whole attitude changed back to the spiderman 1 happy harry mindset. The fact that thinking peter killed his father made him a grumpy person and it was a sense of relief when he finally knew the truth about it.
Yeah, in the first movie when MJ was clearly insulted by psycho Osborn, Harry said she isn't worth a half of this man and he'd rather leave her than abandon him. Harry respected his father so much it was blinding him. And of course realising his best friend was his murderer is a nightmare taking form to him and made him into the worst version of himself.
I think "grumpy" is a bit of an understatement lol
Imagine that you really believe your best friend killed your father, that would be traumatic
Harry's father dies. His girl leaves him for his best friend. His best friend also causes his face to get disfigured. Then in the end he dies too.
The poor guy
My headcanon is that Bernard tried several times to tell Harry, but Harry would either not believe him or stop him. Then, when Peter tried to kill Harry with the symbiote, Harry realized “this isn’t Peter, something is wrong, he wouldn’t kill me…he couldn’t have killed my father.” There is a deleted scene of him looking at a picture of himself, Peter and MJ, which is where I think this thought process would’ve played out. After this, I think he finally listened to Bernard
No
Hmm
I think it's more A) He didn't know Spiderman was Peter and B) Didn't know Harry knew about Green Goblin.
He was okay with Harry hating a faceless Spiderman to protect his image of his father, but upon learning that Harry knew about his father's image and that it was his best friend he blamed... He chose them to set things straight.
No Way Home thankfully retconned this scene to imply that the whole city knew about how Osborne died and Harry was simply in denial. Harry just needed to hear the butler uplift him.
@@thatperformer3879 I never really interpretted it that way. I reckoned that Osborn being green goblin was released sometime post... like in Harry's death, they explained that his father was green goblin and the reason harry showed up on the same glider to die fighting Sandman and Venom was because he was trying to make amends for his father's mistakes. I mean... Harry arriving and dying using all the green goblin's tech would definately lead to some inquiries.
Harry Osborn was the most pivotal character in the whole trilogy
Mary Jane is the most pivotal in destroying relationships in the entire trilogy.
@@cheesyvoid3143 she also get pivoted in some beds
@@charly30petitnicolas lmao
Harry Osborn should have been in no way home
The one from amazing Spiderman 2, green goblin, should have been in no way home as well
one thing i have to give credit for is rhe dynamic brotherhood between harry and peter. it's something truly wonderful to experience over all 3 movies
James Franco's Harry and Tobey's Peter are the perfect image of Cedric Diggory and Harry Potter for me. From the appearance, James is perfect sunbright handsome, nice and pride at the same time, and Tobey more shy and lowkey. Also the chemistry between them, perfect awkward bromance when they are best friends but also rivals in love, they respect and admire each other but also jealous with each other.
Still the best Spiderman trilogy 😌
@Lorne Stinnett the new ones are pretty good bro but you can't say they're better than the og trilogy ,3 was kinda mid but still
The first one most of the times is the most iconic ❤
@Lorne Stinnett this is the best trilogy idk what your thinking
@@rice.burger8227 I wouldnt call it the best, it is good, dont get me wrong. The amazing spiderman was way better in my opinion.
@@slowtalker Uhm i think you missunderstood me. I did a typo and said "i would call" it instead of "i wouldnt".
This scene always made me both sad and happy. You can see the immense guilt both Peter and Harry feel for hurting each other and I think most people have felt this way before or have gone through something similar, obviously not this convoluted, but like done something to hurt a friend or sibling that they regret. It’s what makes this scene brilliant and very emotional and the part where Bernard tells Harry the truth you feel a sense of relief, that he can now see Peter was right
Harry: you are so fired
Butler: w-what?
Harry: you know that all this time and you pick now to tell me
Butler: I thought that this would be the best time to tell you the truth
Harry: I took a grenade to the face dude
That sounds like it came from HISHE, but I'm not certain.
@@Ben_Kimber it has came from hishe
@@redt3788 I knew I'd heard it from somewhere before. Also, is that a keyblade in your pfp?
@@Ben_Kimber yes
@@redt3788 Noice
The moment he said the blade that pierced his body was from his own glider, you can see Harry is immediately being struck with regret, guilt and remorse.
Then he decides to make it up to Peter and still holds him in his heart as his best friend, no matter what he is or what he does.
In the end you know that he was Bound to a fate better then that of his father but his father was also Crazy because of the poison that was in his body where Harry wasn't as crazy
2:24 Harry in his mind: Peter was right all along
2:27 Harry still in his mind: I better go and save him
If you’re gay. Reply to my comment
Also Harry in his mind: “I’ve been a wizard all along”
@Arty Muñoz and? what is your point? what he said still applies lol. you only need to be told something one time if you believed the opposite from the moment he said that until now.
@@JokerxDragon I knew it
@@artymunoz5060 nice try buddy I’m not falling for it
When Harry had that mirror repaired, that was probably the best time for the butler to break his oath to Norman and tell Harry that Norman wasn't murdered.
Oh he was murdered, just by his own hand. It's not a suicide because he didn't intend to kill himself, while he did intend to kill Peter. The wrong person died is all, and that would still constitute at the least 2nd Degree Murder. But you can't charge a dead person.
@@Kmmlc sometimes it’s okay to admit you have no idea what you’re talking about bro
@@Damphouse Suicide is an intentional act. Being the cause of your own death such as in this situation wouldn't be suicide. Disregarding the superhero portion of things, had Norman survived, he would have been charged with either attempted capital murder (since it was clearly planned beforehand) or more likely attempted second degree or first degree murder. It would really depend on the prosecutor and how much money gets thrown around.
@@Kmmlcdude please stop.
Why are you mean to him @@Damphouse
Sad fact, the actor who plays the Butler was struggling mentally at this time, and they had to redo this scene a bunch of times because of it.
Really ? Didn’t know that
John Paxton, the late great Bill Paxton's father
Respect.
Not sad, testament to his commitment to perfection. He nailed the most iconic scene of the trilogy.
Respect
Respectfully don’t ask for my help after throwing a grenade at me
i mean harry did try to throw it at him first
@@marcosherrera30 Peter pulled up to harry crib with nothing but ill intentions when that happened
@@cten350 peter knew harry was gonna attack him sooner or later anyway like he did in the beginiing of the movie when harry fell and lost his memories
@@ulfjohansson-tr2ne Peter even said to harry that he’s done tryin to convince him after every failed attempt to do so, he kept brushing Pete off, he even brushed him off after MJs play hell he even used MJ as a scapegoat practically to attack Peter mentally
@@cten350 But he was also possessed with the bully maguire symbiote, so it might have caused him to want to fight harry.
That’s so sad he found out the truth why he try to kill his best friend Impasse away after he saved his life
I have almost no idea of what you are trying to say.
@@goat6inboots I’m trying to say that it’s sad it’s because he found out the truth that Peter didn’t kill his father
@@angrybrother ah, thank you that was kind of you to explain it to me again. And I agree with your comment too.
James Franco is so underrated he can do comedy and drama roles with ease
apparently he can get a bit grabby with the females as well... lol
These guys made my childhood. The best Spider-Man Cast imo
From the end of Spiderman 1, the most important plotline was the beef between these two best friends… to see it get patched up & resolved, to see Peter & Harry fighting side-by-side to save the city, after everything they’ve been through good & bad.. was the single biggest payoff of the Raimi trilogy.
The way the Butler said "Theres no question that he died by his own hand," hits me hard till this day😢
this face of harry kinda made him look so bad ass not ugly.
Because he handsome, If I get that I'm cooked😭
All I can think of is HISHE's "Get out." Harry line after the butler tells him HAHAHAHAH
“Hey Harry, I probably should’ve told you this right after your dad died but I wanted to watch you use your dads gadgets, fight your best friend in the mansion and get your face blown the hell up before telling you this…. It wasn’t Peter… talk to ya later”
To be fair: it’s possible Bernard did not know Harry’s friend Peter Parker was Spider-Man until one or two scenes before this. So Bernard would not realize how Harry’s beef against Spider-Man could continue harming Harry’s life at anytime before that moment
Gotta love how the butlers are the ones that are the most important part in movies (especially hero movies) they wait for the right moment to explain things
Butlers have motherly nature. This is why they become butlers in the first place. Plus they are serving the emotional and material needs of rich kids.
I watched this in the theater when it 1st came out. The audience cheered and clapped when the butler told Harry about his father.
Even if he's a villain, Venom didnt forget the hyphen in Spider-Man and neither should you.
That's because he could break the fourth wall.
Source- reddit.
I was shocked that Peter didn't say anything about Harry's burnt face
It would have made things worse.
James Franco is such a brilliant actor in most of the characters he plays, he needs spotlighting.
He is... But sadly he's a menace irl
Man I wish James Franco returned in No Way Home, that would have been amazing.
“Why didn’t you speak of this before?”
“Because Master did not ask!”
The Master never did ask afterall.
Every rich guy needs an alfred
The butler was the true villain for not telling harry the truth this whole time if he knew
I feel like butler must have seen Norman's secret before off screen or maybe Norman told the butler not to tell Harry and that's what he did. Even Norman told peter not to tell Harry before he died. idk that's just my theory of why he didn't tell harry the truth
I remember that line from the first movie. He told Peter with his last breath not to tell Harry. If Peter told Harry what happened, it would’ve made things worse. It is probably true Norman told the butler not to tell Harry until when the time was right. Harry knew his dad was the green goblin but he didn’t know what happened and how he died and why. He blamed it on Spider-Man/Peter Parker because he saw Spider-Man put his dad on the couch in the dark and pinned on Spider-Man. Harry was driven by revenge and wanted Spider-Man to pay for something he never did. He learned the truth from the butler and after refusing to help Spider-Man/Peter Parker against Sandman and Venom, it has made Harry feel bad blaming his best friend for something he didn’t do and he did the right thing to go help save MJ. Sad to see he died as a hero.
Harry: You are so fired
2:08 is sooo powerful!!!
If Bernard hadn't told Harry the truth about his father's death, Harry wouldn't have come for helping Peter and this last one could have diede because of Venom and Sandman
And had he told him a hell of a lot sooner, Harry may not have had his face blown off with a grenade. Bad Bernard!
@@tonyj9743it’s possible Bernard didn’t know Harry’s friend Peter Parker was Spider-Man until after Harry had part of his face blown off
@@CraigMcGuinn The Peter being Spiderman part is irrelevant. Harry already knew that when Bernard spilled his beans.
The fact that Norman was the goblin and killed himself was shit Harry didn't know and probably would have pushed him away from his obsession.
The outtakes of the butler flubbing his lines are hilarious.
One of the best scenes in the entire trilogy.
"The blade that killed your father came from his own glider."
So? The grenade that destroyed half of Harry's face was his own, but Spiderman still slingshotted it back at him.
HISHE had the perfect reaction to this: "...You are SO fired..."
So much emotion in this scene. That why this one my favorite
Harry is beyond forgiveness now he's heartbroken but is still willing to do the right thing in the end.
In no way home he should have been, and meet his father again, and backing home together with him, in another line of time, together imagine that. He dint't deserve die, he deserved a second chance
He couldn’t have told Harry before his face got messed up lol
“I took a grenade on my face, dude”
The butler wiats 5 years to tell harry the truth about his fathers dad. Is he kiding me?
"Don't tell Harry"
Norman asked him to
@@Asconistialthough I feel that when he said to Peter don't tell Harry, he didn't mean not to tell Harry that he killed himself, I believe he actually meant don't tell that he was the green goblin
2:21 that’s all he needed to hear this entire trilogy
Butler: Your father’s death was his doing.
Harry: And you waited until now to tell me this because…?
“Don’t tell Harry” -Norman Osborn
Butler: Because I had no idea your friend Peter Parker was Spider Man and Norman didn’t want you to know he was the Green Goblin
Because the writing was bad and could not come up with a better way to script the next scenes
The end of this movie and how harry die saving hes friend still hits me
I love sam Ramis spiderman ❤
I get the feeling that they were going for a sort of 'ascended extra' moment where Bernard, who has basically meant nothing in this trilogy...steps up and has 'a moment' that is very important and pivotal. I don't think the final result gives the desired impact.
I think it ends up feeling a bit more random and weird that this character who doesn't really mean much to the viewer all of a sudden has to hold Harry's hand and walk him to redemption.
I think the Editor's Cut which make it Harry's choice just might be the better interpretation. I also think THIS scene really telegraphs Harry's decision, really spelling it out that he is going to come to the rescue.
I think the small moment of Harry just looking at the picture, leaves it a bit more up in the air. It shows that he is making the decision, but is brief and ambiguous enough that you don't automatically assume he will help.
@TvRF I think it’s only in the blu ray collection. It’s Spider-Man 3.1. Changes the order of scenes much better and adds/removes scenes that make the movie better in my opinion.
no it DOES give the desired impact. Also they pulled the ascended extra moment perfectly
it wasn’t random or weird and the character did mean much to the viewer and the editor’s cut where it was Harry’s choice wasn’t better it sucks. This verison is the better interpretation. Also no it isn’t ambiguous enough dude and it shouldn’t
@@BIGD-cc7ru No it doesn’t change any scenes better. The theatrical scenes are much better
@@firestrikerii810 I agree with you, the person you're replying to decided to put no stock into this character because he was meaningless to him. But in that universe and in that household Bernard is a very important person, having built trust and been there from the moment Harry was born. It was meaningless to the person that made this comment but not to Harry, obviously.
The bloopers from this scene are great.
“The blade that pierced his body… came from his Trailer…”
Wait whaaaaat??
damn that butler couldve said this to harry way earlier... butler is the real criminal lol
who is he though never seen him up until then did he introduce himself as a butler
this harry was the best always helped pete whenever he was in trouble
2:17 love the goblin score when he agrees with his butler.
Behind a good man stands a strong butler.
16 yrs ago harry Osborn still my heart 😢❤😊
Honestly I kinda like the retcon made in No Way Home that Goblin’s death was known citywide, it implies that Harry was simply in denial of the truth about his father for many years despite Peter trying to convince him, and finally when the butler gave him the speech about loving his friends his hatred subsided. It would explain why the butler never said anything.
I still don’t see why this movie gets so much hate, it’s one of the best Spider-Man movies in my books.
It had many things going on that weren't well developed, the guy behind Venom was a whinny, so, hard to look at him as an antagonist, Venom the less developed character, he died as the guy behind that, in a non-impressive way. The Dark Spiderman moments have sense, based on how the personality of Peter was, so when he was with Venom, instead of creating a very evil version of himself, it created at times a goofy version of himself, if someone doesn't understand that, they think the whole scene is out of place and that's also a reason why people don't like this movie, only when he pushed Mary Jane is when you realize that thing was making him become evil.
Movie is entertaining, but, that's it, it's flawed in different parts. They tried to show a conflicted Mary Jane that her personal life and dreams weren't going well, but, the result felt more like she was only being egocentric and selfish.
@@JemDewto be fair, Peter was being very dismissive about MJ’s acting troubles and told her that he didn’t need her help pretty aggressively when he was looking for Flint even before the symbiote. It’s not surprising that she would want to distance herself from him even just a little bit because of how he’s acting
I liked the HOW IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED clip when he went “And you’re telling me this now!? 😡 DUDE I took a grenade to the face! You’re so fired!! 😤” 😅lol
To be fair: Bernard probably didn’t know Peter Parker was Spider Man until after the most recent time he spoke to Harry before this scene
or he could´ve JJJ´d him:"Pack your things. Get out of my building. YOU´RE FIRED!"
When the old butler talked to him at the end.. hit right in the feels
The fact that Peter walks away IMMEDIATELY after Harry tells him to leave shows how much he respects Harry as a friend and how he values his boundaries ❤️
If Harry’s butler waited years to tell him this wasn’t a big enough plot hole already, in No Way Home, Sandman said that Goblin’s death was all over the news, and that the glider was the cause of it. If this was the case, Harry should’ve known all along.
Maybe sandman from a close universe?
It could have been in the news after events of Spider-Man 3
"you are so fired ...."
"wwhat ?"
"you knew this entire time and you chose now to tell me ?"
"I thought it would be best not to"
"I took a grenade to the face dude"
HISHE
That grenade that Harry threw at Peter must've been a hell of a lot weaker than the one that Norman used on that balcony.
It’s also the fact that Harry took a newer version of the formula, which gave him a healing factor - possibly another contribution to him regaining his memories much quicker.
We already knew Harry was very angry at the wrong person the entire time, He finally realized that now.
That scene is good but the deleted one is better. When harry just looks at the photo of him, MJ and peter and goes to save them
Unpopular opinion: This movie aint that bad
It's better than mcu spider man movies for sure
You’re right. It’s not bad at all. Flawed, but not bad
Peter: I don't kill you father
Harry: Shut up
Bluter : Peter didn't killed you father Mr Osborne
Harry: oh no I need to save him
2:00 Harry: You.... are so fired! 😠
Butler: 😮
Harry: All this time and you pick NOW to tell me?! I took a grenade to the face!!
James Franco as harry was poetry in motion, perfection
He should’ve been in no way home
@@tonyleidyiii1652 Well, considering what he did... no.
This Harry Osborn is one of my favorites.
0:43 why is he standing there like the “welcome to chili’s” guy?
00:50 Pizza Face 😂
You're telling me this now. I took a grenade to the face dude!
I don’t care what people say about this I love this movie
Man James Franco was a tremendous actor. The best Harry.
I’ll say this forever, Toby is the only Spider-Man.
One of my favourite scenes
Harry learning the truth is heart warming it brings me tears every time I see it
Best example for a Deus ex machina :-)
"Ive seen things in this house ive never spoken of", including Norman cackling maniacally while pacing
1:27 When I saw this in theaters and Bernard said "If I may Sir, I've seen things in this house" the auditorium burst out laughing. It was such an unintentionally funny moment for them that this butler deals with the Green Goblin and Spider-Man's BS on a regular basis, probably sweeping up the windows they break, and dusting their secret lairs without acknowledging the absurdity of it all until now.
I would like to know how the butler had the chance to clean Norman's wound when Harry caught Spider-Man dropping off the body of Norman at the house and most likely never left his father's body until someone showed up to take the body away.
Harry probably didn't examine his father's body
0:49 obito uchiha 0:52 kakashi
Nice reference
this is a bit different buddy
James Franco looked like he could've played an interesting Two Face.
Harry lookin at this Nigga like “Goddamn you wait until all this time to tell me?” He had the whole look on foenem 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Okay but one thing I never understood about this is how did Harry not know? I mean he found all the goblins equipment in his own house, most of the goblins targets were people who wronged or opposed his father, and when his dad died the goblin also died. Also, if spiderman actually murdered him, why would he bring his body home?
The only answer I can think of is that maybe Harry actually did know, and was just so upset about everything that he didn't care that his dad was in the wrong. And maybe hearing Bernard say it all out loud enabled him to see it from a less vengeful perspective. However, that means that Harry would've also known that his dad almost killed he and MJ at the festival and probably should've seen it differently. Either way, the whole thing has some holes in it.
Or you’re thinking/looking into it way too deep 😂😂
Or more realistically, he assumed that someone else stole one of the Goblin suits
What I've never understood all these years was how did Bernard conclude that Spiderman didn't use the glider to stab Norman since all he saw on Norman were the glider wounds?
Maybe he knew that Spider-Man wasn't the one who kills
It’s not like he was ever given any indication that Spider-Man was involved. Harry might’ve told him but again, no indication
You waited all of this time to tell Harry about the death of his father, Bernard
#IBlameAviArad
The Butler really watched Harry become an entire supervillain before deciding "Y'know maybe this is a little too far"
Definitely rules out the possibility that Peter could’ve slammed the glider into Osborn. Like, the dude threw your own grenade back at you. You think he can’t redirect a flying glider back into its dismounted rider the same way?
Harry could've said that "what if Peter picked up the glider with the blades still on, and then stabbed his father with it"
That would still mean that the blade that pierced his body, came from his own glider.
I believe Harry didn't truly believe at that point anymore that Peter had killed Norman, he just wasn't ready to face the truth.
Venom is an absolute beast in this movie in fact he reminded me more of Carnage than anything else
“You are so fired.”
Is that really enough to assure him, 100%, that Norman died by his own hand. How does he know Peter didn't kill him with the glider, like he almost did in no way home?
Probably because the glider still working, while on nwh already broken, that butler think there's no way spidey can use the glider without the controller that was on green goblin hand.
yeah, it is. when you trust someone without question as they trusted their butler that had worked for them his whole lives, plus what exactly does the butler have to gain by lying? nothing but he has everything to lose if Harry decided he didn't believe him. That's what would sway me and i'm sure what swayed Harry.
@@Nematoda4evergiven how bad the writing is in this movie, that excuse would not be out of place 😂😂😂
😅imagine harry would have a little kid,died like he died and this buttler would be like "i clened his wounds. That blades that pierced his body came from his own glider. There is no question that your father died by his own hand."
I think Harry knew that Peter never killed Norman deep down, he was best friends with Peter and knew his personality. Reasons why Harry likely had some kind of suspicison that Spider-Man wasn't responsible include:
- He knows Peter personally (Peter is a good guy, even his landlord calls him a good boy when he has his outburst, which he is ultimately correct about, Peter apologizes later).
- He knows Spider-Man doesn't kill people (for his father to be an exception likely bothered Harry at least a little bit and created some doubt).
- Peter never made any moves against Harry despite Harry's open hostility, and kept insisting Norman killed himself.
Harry likely harbored some doubts about his belief in Spider-Man being the killer, but his butler essentially corroborating Spider-Man's story (without hearing it mind you, Peter made his claim while fighting Harry while the butler was absent) was likely what finally made it all completely click and allowed for Harry to put his grief aside and start looking at the bigger picture.
Harry's story isn't necessarily about him not having enough information to put it together until the very end, it's about how his grief clouded his judgement and destroyed the life he could have had with his friends (grief which was largely rooted in an emotionally abusive relationship). The only real reason his butler is there to tell him the facts about the glider aren't necessarily to give a puzzle piece, narratively speaking, it's to show that Harry has moved past his grief and is going to go save his friends. It's there to make the transition seem a little more solid, without it the story stays basically the same, but having Harry just change his mind without a last piece of evidence would maybe seem less believable for an audience member.