The 90 looks so much better than the 110. I can actually see where they got the inspiration from the original one. Imagine configuring this one with the steelies and bench seat.
Half the time, the sensors and cameras don't activate in my parents 2018 Range Rover Sport. For being over $100k the car's electronic reliability is complete shite compared against my Honda Civic.
Look at the car's design, it literally has nothing in common with the iconic Defender which would be the only thing that could balance things out, given the car's awful reliability, especially now that it is stuffed with electronics... Also, have a read here: www.edmunds.com/land-rover/defender/2020/consumer-reviews/?rating=1
@@piemar97 I couldn't care less what the Defender looks like an old Jeep CJ walks all over the old tractor and can actually travel highway speed and on the modern side the JL Wrangler and the new Bronco are twice as capable as both sizes of new Defender and they have manual options, huge aftermarket support, and are more rugged with just as cool heritage and charm but for half the price. The detail of the review and the fun nature that Thomas and James show is what made me like this video so much
@@piemar97 I have a JKU Recon Edition and for about 45k all in it has 35s, raptor liner paint, trail doors and a soft top, and twice the capability of any new Defender and just as much for the old but with an even more special charm to it
I’m 100% okay with this defender as it’s better in approach and exit angles, more technologically advanced, WAYY more comfortable to sit and drive in, and very very good looking
Waitttt....let's talk about this fork. You guys are killing it and I'm loving that you're getting opportunities to drive some SERIOUS vehicles. Production quality is right where it needs to be. Don't change.
After a while, The Straight Pipes seems like the same thing over and over again. And once you realize that, it's hard to go back. Long live Throttle House!!
@@dhruvtanwar5942 I started at SP and find my way here. You're exactly right though. When I watch SP I'll skip through the video but pull out the popcorn for TH.
Looks cool make sure you have an extended warranty or hand it back after a 3yr lease... JLR designs are amazing, as are driving dynamics.... reliability is terrible. Its all about your willingness to deal all the issues for the few times you derive satisfaction from it.
Looking in TFLTruck's direction....didn't they have to get 3 brand new Defenders before they got one that didn't have any problems? But I'm sure adding a hybrid system will make it more reliable.
The first one was a lemon, the second one the dealer messed up and totaled it installing a winch, nothing to do with build quality. The third one hasn’t had any issues so far...
@@Tential1 I believe they ordered the first one straight from the dealer. It was brand new. A part failed and it wasn't available anywhere in the world. It's no secret that Land Rover reliability is questionable at best.
@@David-dx5wz Was it the second one that the radiator low light kept going on and that was right after they got it? Just an observation. They didn't have good luck with them.
@@GroundhogzGarage That was the first one I believe, the second one was totaled when the dealer tried to install the winch. They accidentally cut the frame or something and it ended up totaling the car.
Really torn between the 90 and the 110… I prefer the looks of the 90, but the ease of getting passengers in the back is a pain. The room back there is honestly no different once you’re back there (sat in both). It’s the tiny trunk of the 90 where the biggest sacrifice is made. I guess for big hauls you can flip rear seats down…. But a long road trip with 4 passengers and you’d barely have room for luggage. Tough call.
I've just been reading about how problematic recovering a Defender is, if it's in a truly offroad situation. Its owner's manual is very enlightening. "The vehicle should not be towed on all four wheels and should not be recovered with the front or rear wheels suspended. Doing so can result in serious transmission damage. The method for recovery and/or transportation of the vehicle is on a transporter or trailer designed for that purpose." "The recovery agent must activate the transmission park release before recovery commences. The procedure for activating the transmission park release is covered in a separate publication for service personnel." If you don't, the following happens: "If Neutral (N) is selected and the engine is then switched off, the transmission automatically selects Park (P) after 10 minutes has elapsed. If the transmission park release mechanism has not been activated and the vehicle is being towed, serious damage to the transmission will result." "If the vehicle cannot be recovered via the correct method, the vehicle can be towed on all four wheels for a short distance." " Do not tow the vehicle for more than 50 km (30 miles). Do not exceed 50 km/h (30 mph). Towing for a greater distance or at a higher speed may result in serious damage to the transmission." So you can only go offroad to places that are within 50-ish km of access to a flatbed truck. ... but you can't even go that far unless you've learnt how to activate the transmission park release. " Only tow the vehicle in a forward direction with all four wheels on the ground. Towing in a reverse direction, or with only two wheels on the ground, will cause serious damage to the transmission." What if pulling it out backwards is the only access to where it's stuck? " Do not tow the vehicle if the transmission cannot be set in Neutral (N)." "Do not tow the vehicle if the rear electronic differential has failed in the locked position." Crikey. With electrics that shut down the whole vehicle at the drop off a hat, how on earth does all THAT make it a good choice for serious offroading? Australia? Any continent except Europe? Hmm...
This thing is even MORE of a flex than the BMW X6 coz it takes price and impracticality to an even higher level. So it's really surprising that non-owners adore it so much. It's basically a rolling middle finger to all of us peasants, lol. But enjoy it while all of you can, coz when the BOC is forced to jack interest rates aggressively, bankruptcy court will have this thing towed away so fast your neck will be hurting.
I think the biggest issue with this SUV is it very limited in the aftermarket to add a real lift and tires especially since it isn't a body on frame. So for anyone who wants to modify it for real offroading can't (for cheap).
Awesome car, I just hope you didn’t destroy any killdeer nests when you were driving on the grass. I heard their calls in the background during the intro
Guys, why do you have to explain every time what is your extra chanel? Also, I believe if you flip up the seating cushion toward the front and fold the rear backrest the floor will be flat.
It is a nice suv for sure, but the bronco is going to be significantly cheaper and for a completely different group of buyers like yall said. Just did a build of a base for both.. 4 door bronco with the 2.7L Eco - $37235 (usd) and 4 door defender with the 3.0L starts at - $62700 (usd) lol *Did a build of a fully loaded 4 door WIldTrack version of the Bronco and it still comes out under a base 4 door LR at $57510 (usd) And Land Rover said they wanted to compete with the Ford and Jeep.
That's me! I drive a Subaru BRZ and a 2003 WRX. The BRZ fits perfectly - one of the main reasons I chose it. Although, I can't quite fit a helmet in my desired driving position. I have to tilt back a touch to fit with it on.
@@HarrisonDoesSound Very nice!! I’d love either of those! I think I’d really like a BRZ as a second car to my Camry if I could swing it in a couple years when my Camry is payed off.
A hard-core Jeep person would never consider this, because it isn't body on frame, the air suspension precludes any lift kits, and the independent suspension lacks articulation off-road. Plus it's too expensive and completely, woefully unreliable. A hardcore Defender person wouldn't consider one either, for the preceding reasons plus that it's basically a Discovery in a party frock. Taking one of these far off road is such an incredible risk that you'd be crazy to even consider it. So people who use Land Rovers for overland work have dumped them for Toyota Land Cruisers or Tacomas. The only people who buy these "Defenders" are soccer Moms or Urban hipsters, who want a car that looks "rugged", but don't want to be inconvenienced by real off-road capable hardware. And who have the money to buy one (and to pay for taxis or rental cars while it's in the shop--again).
It's like a 4Runner that's learnt to use a knife and fork, yep! In that process, however, it's forgot how to get up and go to work everyday ;) I was genuinely interested in this vehicle for a while, but it's amazingly unreliable. Check out what's happening to TFL cars for example. Fun video nonetheless. It's quite revealing to see the unscripted side of Thomas. He has got a child-like love for cars :) And James is so funny without even trying!
It's funny how the TFL adults hate land rover and they were also the only guys to have problems, but they also buy cars sight unseen and complain when it's wrong. I just find their content these day to be suspect.
@@xlthumper valid points, but I don't think TFL folks hate it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have bought their 3rd one :) Tommy actually seems to love it and honestly, I do too. But, I can't have a road-trip/activity vehicle that I can't depend upon. Even in this video, Thomas points out that the head-unit hardly works. JLR hasn't been stellar with quality-control lately. Being a unibody, this rig depends on a lot of electronics to match the capabilities of a truck-based SUV and those gadgets are not really reliable, esp coming from Land Rover. That said, I really wish well for them and hope that this turns out to be a solid product in its later years. Right now, it simply isn't.
Bronco owners are Wrangler people. So I'd say they will have the nod off road. Maybe the defender will do 90% of where a bronco and wrangler will go but with be much much better as a daily/on road.(where the extra cost goes)
Throttle House has the intro, Extra Throttle House has the cliff hanger.
The endings on extra channel are always so good
And unexpected
Why? Are you happy it's over? 🤣
@@alunesh12345 Absolutely.
2 doors Defender with front bench seats should be the craziest configuration in SUV history
Yeah, a 2 door SUV that can theoretically seat six people. Sounds crazy.
yeah but youd lose the Boss personal seat style bc the driving seat would no longer be Your Boss seat
@@damilolaakanniit’s also a wide configuration inside is it probably can fit 6 people 😂
We definitely need a bronco vs defender vs wrangler video when the bronco comes out
The bronco would/might come last
vs 4Runner
@@sorrowfulsatchel679 Sure, after the 2 door head 2 head though.
Having seen the Bronco itself, the Bronco would likely be more reliable, come out on top, and be cheaper!
@@gregpenetrante5734 Yes true, Bronco is looking a little more capable then the wrangler so far
James strengths: numbers, facial expressions, pronunciation, denim shirts.
Weakness: syntax
I have the same Levi’s one from the G70 video. Claim to fame.
The last strength…on the main channel of course: “AND I’M JAMES.”
and he can be referred to as "daddy"
“…stuck a fork up your-“
*end*
God I love these extra videos
You drove the heck out of that mound guys bravo
The 90 looks so much better than the 110. I can actually see where they got the inspiration from the original one. Imagine configuring this one with the steelies and bench seat.
7:28 in case anyone is wondering the defender 110 weighs exactly 335 lb more than the Defender 90.
Best starts on the main channel, best endings on the extra channel.
You guys are killing it!
This is a top tier mall crawler, not quite a G-Wagon but still quite up there.
It'd be cool to learn more about the history of your track and how you guys came across it.
I’ve been wanting to know that as well!
Popular track where they live. You can see it in the Speed Academy videos. Thomas was a track instructor at the race school there (Pinnacle?).
“Maybe if they put some more electronics back there it would actually work properly” 💀💀
Most underrated funny comment in the entire video! He threw that in there so subtlety
Half the time, the sensors and cameras don't activate in my parents 2018 Range Rover Sport. For being over $100k the car's electronic reliability is complete shite compared against my Honda Civic.
@@admiralprestoncole Reliability is horrible across the range and the customer service is bad.
@@anugranmathimugan2778 service depends on the dealership. Dependability is consistent - it's bad across the board.
Whoever disliked this needs to get their head checked. This was amazing keep it up guys
Thomas' cat, still not forgiving him for the thing with the fork
Look at the car's design, it literally has nothing in common with the iconic Defender which would be the only thing that could balance things out, given the car's awful reliability, especially now that it is stuffed with electronics... Also, have a read here: www.edmunds.com/land-rover/defender/2020/consumer-reviews/?rating=1
@@piemar97 I couldn't care less what the Defender looks like an old Jeep CJ walks all over the old tractor and can actually travel highway speed and on the modern side the JL Wrangler and the new Bronco are twice as capable as both sizes of new Defender and they have manual options, huge aftermarket support, and are more rugged with just as cool heritage and charm but for half the price. The detail of the review and the fun nature that Thomas and James show is what made me like this video so much
@@MrLlama-rc8nj I agree with you man, I have a JL Wrangler, that thing is a beast of a car!
@@piemar97 I have a JKU Recon Edition and for about 45k all in it has 35s, raptor liner paint, trail doors and a soft top, and twice the capability of any new Defender and just as much for the old but with an even more special charm to it
I’m 100% okay with this defender as it’s better in approach and exit angles, more technologically advanced, WAYY more comfortable to sit and drive in, and very very good looking
I’ve changed and accepted it and my family has had 4 defenders spanning from 1997 - 2016 model year with one currently. It’s cool this thing
I love how you guys end these videos, always makes me chuckle :)
I really needed this grassy relaxing experience after foolishly searching prices of Viper ACR’s on AT......😱
ONG your second channel better than A LOT of car channels that do it full time
Damn back to back keep it up!!!!!
The land rover defender intro of the older video is in my top 5 favourite intros. Now I have to watch it again😅
You guys just rock!
I loved the video, but I wish you tested the back seats and showed the trunk in comparison with the 110. Keep up the good work guys🙏🏼
Waitttt....let's talk about this fork.
You guys are killing it and I'm loving that you're getting opportunities to drive some SERIOUS vehicles.
Production quality is right where it needs to be. Don't change.
Thomas strengths: driving, car capability descriptions, hair, laughing.
Weakness: a boot
U guys are the best!
Awesome review... The ending caught me off gaurd 😂😂😂
I’ll be honest, ever since this car was released I think it looks like the villain from cars 2. The resemblance is almost uncanny
My thoughts exactly. However this does make sense because so Miles axelrod was supposed to be a Land Rover Defender 90.
Oh, you mean Sir Miles Axlerod of course
I swear that Land Rover did something to convince all the TH-camrs that this uncool car is the Coolest thing out there!
Love the channel guys
Seeing both you guys and Straight pipes pop up at once was one of the hardest decisions.
TH>SP
@@andrewkennedy9704 I agree I definitely chose this first
It's really not even close lol
After a while, The Straight Pipes seems like the same thing over and over again. And once you realize that, it's hard to go back.
Long live Throttle House!!
@@dhruvtanwar5942 I started at SP and find my way here. You're exactly right though. When I watch SP I'll skip through the video but pull out the popcorn for TH.
This would look reaaally good next to my evoque convertible
They should move the spare tire lower down so you can see out of the rear windscreen. The number plate can go on the side or something.
that mound is a solid 8/10. good mound.
I always laugh at the end of TH Extra videos.
W12 Bentley smooth is a big praise! Wanna drive this soon.
Love the look of those big 2 door SUVs. Trying to get my hands on an early 90's 2 door Mitsubishi Montero.
The “creep function” is how restraining orders are born.
Thomas just wasn't having that BMI joke today 😂
Did Thomas really check for traffic coming from the other direction while driving off-road at 3:11? Hilarious!
"...maybe if they put some more electronics back there it would actually work properly..."
I felt that.
I’m watching this eating breakfast
My hands are cramping with all of these cliff hangers..
You go to the main channel for the intros, the extra channel for the outrows!!!
WHERE DID THOMAS STICK THE FORK?!?! I NEED TO KNOW hahahaha love all the throttle house channels
Looks cool make sure you have an extended warranty or hand it back after a 3yr lease... JLR designs are amazing, as are driving dynamics.... reliability is terrible. Its all about your willingness to deal all the issues for the few times you derive satisfaction from it.
Looking in TFLTruck's direction....didn't they have to get 3 brand new Defenders before they got one that didn't have any problems? But I'm sure adding a hybrid system will make it more reliable.
Welcome to TH-cam, they get those types of vehicles on purpose to create drama / content
The first one was a lemon, the second one the dealer messed up and totaled it installing a winch, nothing to do with build quality. The third one hasn’t had any issues so far...
@@Tential1 I believe they ordered the first one straight from the dealer. It was brand new. A part failed and it wasn't available anywhere in the world. It's no secret that Land Rover reliability is questionable at best.
@@David-dx5wz Was it the second one that the radiator low light kept going on and that was right after they got it? Just an observation. They didn't have good luck with them.
@@GroundhogzGarage That was the first one I believe, the second one was totaled when the dealer tried to install the winch. They accidentally cut the frame or something and it ended up totaling the car.
Those blade shadows are neat!
Everyone wanted this a long time ago, so long ago, they used dial tones for the car notifications
I've gotta admit, that'll look really cool while you're waiting for a tow truck.
L
wow he went over grass. One word - Daring!
P.S. James May did that in a Lotus Espirit
Yeah, but can it do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke?
"look at it from the side, I can't get enought of it" absolutely zero shots from the side
The best mall crawler around.
I change my way. I sold all my Land Rovers and bought an 2021 Isuzu Dmax LSM - cost effective, reliable, cap price service, 6 year warranty etc
And a GVM upgrade to 3540kg…..you cant do that in a new defender!
LMAO at these endings every video; "which is more than I can say for you because you said you stuck a fork up your..."
Great video,, I like these small landies
Really torn between the 90 and the 110… I prefer the looks of the 90, but the ease of getting passengers in the back is a pain. The room back there is honestly no different once you’re back there (sat in both). It’s the tiny trunk of the 90 where the biggest sacrifice is made. I guess for big hauls you can flip rear seats down…. But a long road trip with 4 passengers and you’d barely have room for luggage. Tough call.
thank you for doing these
I've just been reading about how problematic recovering a Defender is, if it's in a truly offroad situation. Its owner's manual is very enlightening.
"The vehicle should not be towed on all four wheels and should not be recovered with the front or rear wheels suspended. Doing so can result in serious transmission damage. The method for recovery and/or transportation of the vehicle is on a transporter or trailer designed for that purpose."
"The recovery agent must activate the transmission park release before recovery commences. The procedure for activating the transmission park release is covered in a separate publication for service personnel."
If you don't, the following happens:
"If Neutral (N) is selected and the engine is then switched off, the transmission automatically selects Park (P) after 10 minutes has elapsed. If the transmission park release mechanism has not been activated and the vehicle is being towed, serious damage to the transmission will result."
"If the vehicle cannot be recovered via the correct method, the vehicle can be towed on all four wheels for a short distance."
" Do not tow the vehicle for more than 50 km (30 miles). Do not exceed 50 km/h (30 mph). Towing for a greater distance or at a higher speed may result in serious damage to the transmission."
So you can only go offroad to places that are within 50-ish km of access to a flatbed truck. ... but you can't even go that far unless you've learnt how to activate the transmission park release.
" Only tow the vehicle in a forward direction with all four wheels on the ground. Towing in a reverse direction, or with only two wheels on the ground, will cause serious damage to the transmission."
What if pulling it out backwards is the only access to where it's stuck?
" Do not tow the vehicle if the transmission cannot be set in Neutral (N)."
"Do not tow the vehicle if the rear electronic differential has failed in the locked position."
Crikey. With electrics that shut down the whole vehicle at the drop off a hat, how on earth does all THAT make it a good choice for serious offroading? Australia? Any continent except Europe? Hmm...
This thing is even MORE of a flex than the BMW X6 coz it takes price and impracticality to an even higher level. So it's really surprising that non-owners adore it so much. It's basically a rolling middle finger to all of us peasants, lol. But enjoy it while all of you can, coz when the BOC is forced to jack interest rates aggressively, bankruptcy court will have this thing towed away so fast your neck will be hurting.
You know.. the coolest thing about this car that most people don't know is that is has a
Quite a few running around North Vancouver, as for leasing, the agreements likley preclude using it off-road
I think the biggest issue with this SUV is it very limited in the aftermarket to add a real lift and tires especially since it isn't a body on frame. So for anyone who wants to modify it for real offroading can't (for cheap).
"Just calm down car" 😂😂😂
Great video content as always!!
Gorgeous SUV no doubt but, a vehicle not aimed to true off road enthusiasts that’s for sure.
OMG, will you guys recover after that harrowing off road experience ?
Awesome car, I just hope you didn’t destroy any killdeer nests when you were driving on the grass. I heard their calls in the background during the intro
When you reviewing the F150 Lightning????
It was literally just revealed, give them some time.
Great review on the awesome Land Rover, I want ☝️
Cool, you guys got to drive the 2-door Bronco this early!
Just want to add that you can get one of these equally optioned to a top tier rubicon for less money
Thomas always wants to drive
Guys, why do you have to explain every time what is your extra chanel? Also, I believe if you flip up the seating cushion toward the front and fold the rear backrest the floor will be flat.
th-cam.com/video/_PFk3mj_Mb8/w-d-xo.html
To Test a vehicle, first you have to know everything about it and then film it, not film Yourself
After James' comment, I'll forgo the 'heavy duty' option. 😂
Stop complaining about the gauge cluster Thomas. You finally have a legitimate excuse for speeding 😎😎
It is a nice suv for sure, but the bronco is going to be significantly cheaper and for a completely different group of buyers like yall said.
Just did a build of a base for both..
4 door bronco with the 2.7L Eco - $37235 (usd) and
4 door defender with the 3.0L starts at - $62700 (usd) lol
*Did a build of a fully loaded 4 door WIldTrack version of the Bronco and it still comes out under a base 4 door LR at $57510 (usd)
And Land Rover said they wanted to compete with the Ford and Jeep.
Have they improved their reliability because the one that the "fast lane car" has had nothing problems.
Ahhh wonder how many months this will stay in the dealership on it’s first year
I have an old Defender 110 and i’m going to buy a new Defender 110 as a every day family car - perfect combo…
The only car i’d trade my Land Cruiser for
Nice extra review! What does your sound guy drive at 6’7”? I’m 6’3” and have issues.
That's me! I drive a Subaru BRZ and a 2003 WRX. The BRZ fits perfectly - one of the main reasons I chose it. Although, I can't quite fit a helmet in my desired driving position. I have to tilt back a touch to fit with it on.
@@HarrisonDoesSound Very nice!! I’d love either of those! I think I’d really like a BRZ as a second car to my Camry if I could swing it in a couple years when my Camry is payed off.
The back seat does fold flat, just pull up the cushion and remove
*Doug has entered the chat*
Is the infotainment system from Lucas?
A hard-core Jeep person would never consider this, because it isn't body on frame, the air suspension precludes any lift kits, and the independent suspension lacks articulation off-road. Plus it's too expensive and completely, woefully unreliable. A hardcore Defender person wouldn't consider one either, for the preceding reasons plus that it's basically a Discovery in a party frock. Taking one of these far off road is such an incredible risk that you'd be crazy to even consider it. So people who use Land Rovers for overland work have dumped them for Toyota Land Cruisers or Tacomas.
The only people who buy these "Defenders" are soccer Moms or Urban hipsters, who want a car that looks "rugged", but don't want to be inconvenienced by real off-road capable hardware. And who have the money to buy one (and to pay for taxis or rental cars while it's in the shop--again).
Great video-do wish you’d shown the back seats lol
You guys should try my 85 samurai would love to see you driving it!
ok ok fine Ill buy one
Will we ever find out where Thomas stuck that fork?
As a expert on mounds, that was a classy mound
But the more I look at this defender tomorrow like it
It's like a 4Runner that's learnt to use a knife and fork, yep! In that process, however, it's forgot how to get up and go to work everyday ;) I was genuinely interested in this vehicle for a while, but it's amazingly unreliable. Check out what's happening to TFL cars for example.
Fun video nonetheless. It's quite revealing to see the unscripted side of Thomas. He has got a child-like love for cars :) And James is so funny without even trying!
It's funny how the TFL adults hate land rover and they were also the only guys to have problems, but they also buy cars sight unseen and complain when it's wrong. I just find their content these day to be suspect.
@@xlthumper valid points, but I don't think TFL folks hate it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have bought their 3rd one :) Tommy actually seems to love it and honestly, I do too. But, I can't have a road-trip/activity vehicle that I can't depend upon. Even in this video, Thomas points out that the head-unit hardly works. JLR hasn't been stellar with quality-control lately. Being a unibody, this rig depends on a lot of electronics to match the capabilities of a truck-based SUV and those gadgets are not really reliable, esp coming from Land Rover. That said, I really wish well for them and hope that this turns out to be a solid product in its later years. Right now, it simply isn't.
For some reason when I read the title I saw "It just oozes oil" and I was so confused...
It is a Defender, so it probably does that too.
Surprised it didn't break down during your filming guys! Haha
please do this 2 door Defender vs Jimny vs 2 door bronco vs 2 door wrangler
Bronco owners are Wrangler people. So I'd say they will have the nod off road. Maybe the defender will do 90% of where a bronco and wrangler will go but with be much much better as a daily/on road.(where the extra cost goes)
Do you guys own your test track, borrow it, or trespass?
Rent
But how does the D 90's ride with its shorter wheelbase compares to the D 110? I wish you guys would compare the 4 cylinder p300 as well.
the 4 cylinder is underpowered because of the weight of the car
But where? Where did the fork go James??? JAMES?!?!
its extra...again we get it🤣🤣🤣
0:38 “It’s probably the coolest SUV on the road today”
*The G Wagon has entered the chat*
So has the land cruiser ;P
At least at it's place of origin, the G is not considered a SUV. 😎
Id like to see a proper off road test with this car