So much camera for the money. Still in love years later. The kit lens is also the best kit lens I've ever had with a camera and I've been doing this a very long time.
Hello my friend from Atlanta Georgia wow that Panasonic is packed with features Panasonic is number one I don't care what anybody says they make a great camera and mostly they have a viewfinder on their compact cameras where Canon and some of the other manufacturers don't even give you that and I believe in having a viewfinder specially in sunlight I don't depend on the screen in sunlight you have to have 20/20 vision to look at that screen in sunlight because of the glare but the viewfinder is really great I have a couple of their cameras the ZS 85 and ZS50 and to me these are both great cameras they work excellent but this camera that youour showing looks a little more beefier and heavy just by looking at it thank you so much for your presentation I thought it was excellent
You cannot beat the B&H deal of the camera with kit lens, a telephoto lens (45 to 150 mm), UV filter, 32 GB memory card and camera bad... all for $497.99. Bough mine last month and love it.
Thank you for the wonderful and comprehensive review! This is our first mirrorless camera (first camera with any interchangable lenses, actually!) and you summarized our thoughts on it very well :)
Happy New Year! I've just bought this camera complete with the 12-32 compact kit lens. I think it is great for its compact size. The best part and what persuaded me to buy is the current price after the £200 Cashback offer. It nets down to £247 for body only and £347 with the single kit lens. That's half the price Mathieu thought was one of the best deals available back in June or July. I'm quite familiar with Lumix G series cameras, my last one being a G7 with a G6 preceding it. I'm amazed at the extra features they incorporate with each new generation. As far as the GX80 goes, I love the in-body image stabilisation, extra 4K still features, its compact size and its price. Not so keen on losing several Fn buttons or on the rear control wheel. This camera will replace my Fuji X20, as they are both about the same size as long as either the kit lens or one of several other compact ones available are fitted. The GX80 feels much heavier though. Its also far more advanced [than the X20] and, of course, has the versatility of fitting any M4/3 lens on it.
Sam Chikowore I bought mine at a local camera shop, Carmarthen Cameras. Its as local as it gets here, being about 30 miles from home. Cashback finished on the 9th January. Which reminds me that I can now claim.
Great review - I'm wavering between the Panny and an Olympus - I have no Olympus cameras so desperately want to try one - but right now the GX80 is marking an awful lot of cards..... Olympus needs to get their pricing on the Pen or Pen type cameras into more reasonable territory. For now it looks like the GX80 is the smarter buy... in my opinion of course
Great review, many thanks for the comparison between the GX80 and the GX7. I was thinking about upgrading, but will stick with the GX7. I don't need many of the 4K features and focus bracketing. I like the new shutter and better IS and DFD but wont trade it against the tilting viewfinder, the better grip on the GX7, the MF/AF switch and the better body material. In fact, practically none of my GX7 photos are not in focus or show problems with IS. And BTW, I consider the GX7 as one of the best looking cameras ever. This year I will invest in lenses instead and wait for next years mft lineup.
+Arne Brüning investing in lenses is a wise decision ;) I agree the GX7 AF is very fast, we even used at a contemporary dance show once and it did great.
Hi Mathiew. GX80 or EM-10 Mark II. Gonna be my first mirrorless and also a step into photography and video. Keep in mind the kit, gonna be on kit lens for both if I get either platform.
Good stuff +Mathieu Gasquet! Your comments on MU-43.com helped convince me to get the GX85, and now I want a second! I suspect that the missing features were left out for cost-control and to not make the GX8 look so bad. Keep up the great work!
+John M Flores : Do you get the twitch or jerky movement when panning as shown on review? My copy (so far) doesn't have this problem. Wondering if I got lucky or if it's a telephoto lens thing? I've panned with kit 12-32mm and 25mm 1.4 Fotasy in 4k. I have telephoto lenses but I'm waiting for a converter. I'm surprised by the results. Kit lens is lovely and stable. I wasn't expecting much as I have shaky noodle arms. Initially, I was searching for a cam + a gimbal but now I don't need that combo. I really love the inconspicuous minimalist boring box design. Personally not a fan busy retro multi dial look. I would say the grip is iffy even with my kid sized hands. It's not deep enough. Maybe add a hot shoe handle for video? But the other stuff, like in camera USB charging, electronic shutter, the extras makes thing easier. I love it so far.
Line Push Yeah, horizontal pans are not the best. I tried to set stabilization for panning (like in photo modes) but that feature is not available when shooting video. I suspect that longer lenses magnify the problem, literally. "Shaky noodle arms" LOL. I feel the same way and I was also considering a gimbal for an upcoming motorcycle trip but I think I'll make do without one. My brother has the GX7 and the grip is much better. I walked a mile with the GX85 yesterday and at first my fingers got tired because I was holding on tightly. Once I relaxed my hold and let my fingers and thumb press lightly against the camera things were better. And the wrist strap is there, just in case.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) that means it can be avoided using faster shutter speed? Anyhow great video! I'm on business for this camera as a second body together with 6d
+Simone Summa thanks. Rolling shutter isn't affected by a faster or slower shutter speed, it happens because the sensor is scanned from top to bottom (one line at a time instead of all lines at the same time). Only certain cameras that have a global shutter can avoid this.
Do you still consider this camera to be a good choice in 2017 ? I suspect Panasonic is going to release a refresh relatively soon but I can't wait ahah.
Thank you, great review. I'm trying to decide on my first mirrorless. The idea is to get a camera that does everything not best in class, but well for the next couple of years. The purpose is to have it as a walk around/travel camera with small zoom and a 17mm prime. Would you say gx80 is better than e-m 10 m2 aside the 4K capability?
Hello, I have a question regarding RAW files - when switching into electronic shutter mode do we get 12-bit or 10-bit RAW files ?? Nobody from Panasonic could confirm that so far :((( Thanks
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I just bought one recently too. Going to use it mainly for everyday street photography and taking reference photos for my watercolours. Mine is coming with bundled 12-32mm. What’s your recommendation for next all round lenses? On budget. Read few places that 20mm or 25mm from panasonic is good choice. It’s my first real camera 😊
I would choose the GX85. There is more lens choice, the camera has a lot of nice features and excellent image stabilisation. The M50 has a better autofocus however.
Just subscribed! Really enjoy your honest, straightforward reviews ... I was all set to jump on a GX8 (esp. now they are nearly half what they used to be..) but I have concerns about the shuttershock I've heard about. But I'm wavering on a GX80 because the EVF on the GX8 looks to be better than the GX80 (I too wear glasses and it makes a difference). Also, the weather sealing, while not a huge deciding factor sure would be nice...What are your thoughts? Which would you choose with limited funds? Thanks!
The EVF is definitely better on the GX8 and weather sealing is a welcome addition. The shutter shock is quite annoying. Personally I sold my GX8 and bought the GX80. I'll use it mainly for product shots and for my youtube videos as it has everything I need (4K, IBIS, compactness etc). I guess it depends on what your needs are and what kind of shooting you are planning to make. For example if you shoot lots of outdoor sports or wildlife where the weather is not always on your side, weather sealing can help.
probably the G7 can be more versatile. The mic input is helpful if you don't want to record the audio on a separate device and I like the Cine-Like profile. The only real advantage of the GX85 is in-body stabilisation but it depends if you shoot a lot hand held or not (and you can always use a lens with OIS on the G7, not the same result but acceptable).
A fantastic review! Thank you. I'm very interested but I don't like a few things: 1st.: the plastic body and the low variety of lenses. The 2,8 zoom lenses from Panasonic 12-35 or Olympus 12-40 are to big for this body. But I will think about more about this camera before I will make a decision to buy.
Brilliant review, I have been waiting for this. My idea is to get this body only and a lens 20mm/15mm/25mm(panny/Oly), though not sure which one. The outdoor location with Heather wondering around looks interesting, where was this shot?
+Mahesh Gogtay I love the 15mm. Great sharpness and very interesting angle of view for street, reportage, travel (if you like to get close to your subjects too).
+RusticKey I would say it depends on what you like to shoot the most. The GX85 has better stabilization and is smaller. The GX8 has a better grip, better build quality with weather sealing and a larger EVF.
Mathieu Gasquet I will mostly shoot handheld (and probably with the kit lens on the respective cameras), constantly moving camera and object. Also I need a _killer_ grip because my hands are weird.
The GX8 grip is definitely better so the camera should be a better fit for you. The in-body stabilisation is excellent for stills especially if you use it with a Panasonic lens compatible with Dual IS (should be the case for the kit lens). The main difference concerning stabilisation is that the GX8 uses sensor stabilisation for stil only and not for video (but you can use the lens OIS+electronic stabilization).
Is the EVF good? Because I read a review from DP that said the EVF was bad because of the 16:9 ratio, like the color tearing was really noticeable in bright light. And is the image really small since it's in 16:9 compared to 4:3? In your review you didn't mention it so I'm hoping it isn't a big issue. I'm looking to purchase my first mirrorless camera, and I'm considering this camera, the Olympus OMD-EM10 mk. II, and the Canon EOS M3.
The 16:9 ratio didn't bother me too much. The color tearing is noticeable in strong backlight situations if you pan quickly. The E-M10 II EVF is slightly larger.
Great review! But to be honest, if they would have put in the AF/MF dial and the tilting EVF as well as an external mic input (I think you forgot this one, big one for me) instead of deliberately leaving these things out, then they might as well completely stop selling the GX8... I think it is already a better camera then the GX8... better IBIS and much better shutter (no more shutter shock)
+STEHH87 Yep, I think that they tried to not make the camera too close to the GX8 otherwise because of the lower price it could have become a too "dangerous" competitor. But then at the same time you downgrade one product so that you can have two. I guess there isn't a perfect solution. Too many cameras out there :D P.S.: you are right about the mic input, but I guess the smaller size of the camera makes it more difficult in terms of hardware to include that as well.
Which one do you recommend to someone who use only manual settings on an really old lady (Leica V-lux 1, 2006) for landscapes, food photography, animals and portraits ? A GX80 or a G7 ?
The IQ is basically identical on both cameras. You get a little bit of extra sharpness with the GX80 because it lacks the AA filter. The G7 has a moe substantial grip, the GX80 is more recent and more advanced concerning certain features (5-axis stabilisation). This article could be of help as well: mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/gx85-vs-g7/
Hi! I want a second camera for using as a travel/onthegocamera. I have my another one when I do some photo works but a bit big to bring everyday and on travels. Im looking for a camera good in both stills and video but there is a jungle:) I had looked into to just start up with a GM1, kit with the 12-32 mm as many has liked that camera. But then after watching some reviews maybe the GX 80, the lx 100 or even the tz100 is an option. The LX 100 seems nice but misses some of the good stuff in the GX85. Do you think it comes a new LX model in september? Hope you can advise me here and thanks for all of your nice reviews.
Rumors suggest that a new LX camera is coming but even if it is true, between the announcement and the actual release, it probably won't be available before fall. The GX85 has everything you need: good IQ, excellent video, in-body stabilization, small and compact. It's one of the best quality/price mirrorless camera on the market right now (all brands included).
Mathieu, when using EF or vintage/manual lens, do you double the focal length? There seems to be 3 camps, the double camp, leave it as is and some even suggest half? Focal length is fixed therefore it doesn't matter if it goes on full or crop frame argument makes sense to me, but I am not certain. What do you suggest? Great review, btw.
Thanks for reviewing this. Love your videos and reviews ! One question I noticed in the video that when talking about the new shutter and how it sounds, you cut away showing the shutter sound of the gx7 and not this camera :(. Can you upload a video with an example of this new shutter sound please :) Also does it have first curtain E shutter ?
+Valkyrie743 The funny thing is that I watched the video three times before publishing it and I didn't notice that it was the wrong shutter sound!! As Homer Simpson would say: D'oh!! Anyway, the real one is here now: th-cam.com/video/XHGvLtsnVYM/w-d-xo.html Thanks for pointing it out. The camera doesn't have the E-first curtain option.
Hi, atm I'm shooting with me mobile phone and I want to step up. Would you think that this camera would be a good camera to go for, plus how much difference in image quality would it be?
Mathieu thanks for this review I was eager to see something like this, definitely I will purchase the gx 80. I'm just wondering if I want to shot a video with a person, do you think that the gx 80 is capable of track an human face without any problems? I know that is impossible to have a performance like Canon eos80d but just to know. Cheers
+Nuno Rodrigues you would get mixed results I think. If you have a look at my IBIS comparison between the GX80 and the Pen F, there are a few shots where I follow a person walking and some of these GX80 shots are sligthly out of focus because I was using C-AF. It's worst with Olympus lenses but still it's not 100% accurate.
Great review. I' m thinking about my first real camera.What model you recommend gx85 or omd em10 iii ? I wonder which AF model works better? I read, that contrast AF is not so fast, but Panasonic provides DFD technology that theoretically works faster. Have You seen any differenses in AF speed of this models?
Yes you can charge via USB. I don't think you can save files with date format. The main difference with the E-M10 II is better video for the GX80 (4K, more options and settings, etc). The E-M10 II has a better viewfinder.
Tell me please. I want to buy a GX80 to shoot art videos for myself. Stimulated fotik. So, will the matrix stabilization of the GX80 work with lenses without O.I.S.? Or do you need a lens with O.I.S.?
The sensor stabilisation (5-axis) also works with olympus and panasonic lenses that lack OIS. You can even adapt third party lenses and still use in-body stabilisation (you need to set the focal length manually).
I have the GX85 and only take photos. When I try to use the 4k video it always jumps when replayed in Lightroom Library mode. Is there a book that would help me learn to use this wonderful feature.Thank you,David
Thank you for the video. I'm using canon d700 for years now and I'm looking to move to a smaller size camera that has at least the same quality. I noticed that the sensor size in gx80 is smaller than the one I'm using now. How does this effect the quality? Thank you
+danit elgev a larger sensor can give you more dynamic range and better high ISO performance but often the difference between APS-C and micro four thirds is not his huge. There is also the shallow depth of field factor: with the same aperture and field of view, you'll have a shallower result on the the Canon. One solution is to use fast primes on the GX80 which give you excellent results wide open already.
I found that panning is a little jerky in 4K video even on a tripod, as you know scaling it down to 1080p works wonders... The little jerkiness that it has greatly reduces if my goes away in MP4 or AVCHD 1080p 60 fps. That's my experience videoing dressage, the slower you pan the better you will be. BTW I looked at SONY's camera and it didn't have nearly all the feature that the Panny has other than the megapixels and ability to take and shot in really low light...but you can;t beat the price. The only thing I DO NOT LIKE is the little plastic door and the locking mechanism which requires you to manually move it to close... I wish it was spring loaded ... but that's the worst of it for me. Oh yes one more I wish the 4K was in 60 fps too. Great review and thank you
+carmas54 thanks. more fps can help with panning but often it is a matter of finding the optimal combination between fps, focal length used, speed and duration of your movement.
Love the review! I want to get one..but I'm not sure if I should get the kit lense (32mm) or the Panasonic 42 mm lens. In my country the price is almost the same..any suggestions ?
Hi Mathieu, I've been watching your videos and they are great, thank you. Got a quick question. Which camera do YOU recommend, RX100 iv OR G7 OR GX85 for 4k videos and stills please? I've heard GX85 is not so good for videos, what do YOU think please?
The GX85 is good for video but the G7 has more options (Cine-Like profiles, mic input, fully articulated screen). The quality is similar (you can see a comparison video here: th-cam.com/video/fjsnNmuh7M4/w-d-xo.html) The RX100 IV has great slow motion capabilities but I wouldn't use it as my main camera for video: battery life drains really fast and 4K is limited to 5min per clip.
Nice review. A question for you. Stills from 4K footage are jpeg. I'm not great on the tech side, but is there any way that a .raw still could be pulled from 4K footage or am I missing something? I probably am.
As some1 starting with photography and who wants to make some 4k videos of a baby growing up should i pick this one of the Sony a6300 ? or is there another alternative?
The a6300 will give you better low light performance and more accurate and faster AF for video, otherwise the GX85 has more interesting functions (stabilisation being the most relevant one). The a6300 can also have some overheating problems at time when shooting 4K.
I believe you have the GX8 in your camera arsenal. I have a G7 and shot no video, I like the camera but because of my early onset of Parkinson Decease, I feel that the Stabilization in the GX8 and GX85/80 would be beneficial. I have the 14-140 and 12-32 OIS Lumix lens. There seems to be some great pricing on the GX8 all of a sudden. What camera would you recommend my getting? Thanks, David
The GX85 has the best stabilisation but the GX8 does well with OIS lenses that are compatible with Dual IS. The GX8 has a larger EVF and better grip. However it has sever shutter shock between 1/50 and 1/320s (an issue that Panasonic solved in the GX85).
Matthew, Is the G85 (new G7) a step up to the Gx85? what besides weatherproofing is the advantage? also, how does the range finder style work for videos?
The sensor and AF system are the same for both cameras. So the real advantage is weather proof, more ergonomic body, bigger battery, mic in and more settings for video (Cine-Like profiles). Dual IS should be a little bit better on the G85.
There's no mic input unfortunately. The G7 has the mic input so if that is what you are looking for, the G7 might be a better choice. 4K quality is the same but the GX80 has the advantage of 5-axis stabilisation. I am sure something will come in September for Photokina (maybe the GH5).
I haven't tested the 60D so I can't really compare, but Panasonic Lumix cameras always have excellent video capabilities. The GX80 also has good in-body stabilization that works for video too.
Hi Mathiu, great review! I am planning to buy my first mirrorless camera. Considering Lumix GX80 or Sony Alpha 6000. Which one is better to you? Thanks!
Hey Mathieu! Loved, LOVED the review! It was well worth the wait. One question: Since the AF/MF dedicated switch is gone, can you assign that to a custom Fn function instead? Or do you have to do it on the screen every single time?
Ah, fantastic! Not a problem for me at all, then. I was really worried about that. Thank you so much for your content. It's fantastic. And your interaction with your audience is second to none. -Marcos.
Hi Mathieu. Great video, thanks. I currently have the GX7 and just ordered the new Panasonic 100-400mm for wildlife photography. Can I ask your opinion - you mentioned that the IBIS is particularly good for telephoto lenses. Is it worth me upgrading to gx80 from gx7 for the benefit of IBIS and lens stabilisation? Or would the differences be insignificant?
with the GX80 you would benefit of the Dual IS system with that lens so there is a significant improvement. The new camera also has a new shutter mechanism that eliminates any problem of shutter shock. That being said, the GX7 has a better grip in my opinion. I would try the lens with the GX7 first to see if the lens OIS is enough. If you are satisfied with the combo then you can wait to upgrade.
Excellent video. I spoke to Panasonic and they told me that 4K photo sequence composition and auto tracking. Is this the case? In addition have tried the gx9? What do you think?
I think the sequence composition mode is not available on the GX85. As for the GX9, I recently tried it. It's a good upgrade but the GX85 can be found for less money now.
Excellent review! You concentarted on the thing that are unique to the GX80 which is really good as there are now so many 16MP m43 cameras around. I regret the stupid 16:9 viewfinder on a camera that has a 4:3 format (which is one of the very few things I dislike about the m43 system, albeit it's a huge thing, sadly...).
The most obvious advantage is sensor stabilisation. If you use a lot of non-OIS lenses it can be interesting for you. The compact size is another advantage but perhaps a better question is: is there something about the G7 that doesn't satisfy you?
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) not greatly, mainly I like no aa filter/ l monochrome / OIS to assist with lower iso handheld. Also, I hear the jpeg engine is slightly better on the gx80?
The lack of AA filter is noticeable only in a few situations (fine texture/textile in a close-up shot for example), but most of the time there is no difference. The JPG engine is good but I haven't compared it side by side with the G7 so I can't confirm.
The M50 has a larger sensor, so you may get something extra in terms of high ISO performance. The Canon has a faster AF system as well so it will be more reliable in C-AF mode, and with face detection. The GX85 has more lenses to choose from.
Thank you for this exelent review. I have a question about video shooting: Can you power the camera with an external power (i.e. a power bank) while shooting video?
there is the possibility of buying an optional AC adaptor and DC coupler to power the camera without worrying about battery life so there could be the possibility with a power bank as well.
Excellence review!! I am interested in this one since my EM5 just broke down and I need to find some camera to use. What do you think? Well, tilt EVF is not a big problem to me since EM5 doesn't has it from the beginning but it will be very useful for my beloved area (Macro). No built-in wireless flash trigger and no weather seal is quite a pain for me as well. Light composition is grey area for me because I think it will be the same as Olympus's. How about the quality of RAW file? I use it so often before the camera broke down.
+Kunut Manathanya the RAW file is good and overall the IQ is superior to the original E-M5 that has an older sensor (especially at high ISO, past 3200). However since you know Olympus cameras already, why not consider the E-M5 II? It's weather sealed and has wireless flash trigger with the supplied FL-LM3 flash. If you want the spent less, there is also the E-M10 II (but you loose weather sealing).
I am thinking about EM5 mkii as well, I really love the design. Here are the reasons why I look at Panasonic; 1. They got panorama in-camera (still curious why Olympus didn't make this function?) which I think I may use more frequent than flash trigger. 2. Focus speed is quite better for me but most of my lenses are Olympus's, not sure it will be any difference. 2. GX80 got a built-in flash 3. The body size is quite similar (GX8 is too big for me) and also got IBIS 4. I afraid of camera fault and other QC problems. For 2 years of use EM5, I got shutter curtain fault twice (one after warranty end and second one is after extra 6-month warranty end but this time I didn't fix it but will find a new camera instead). This is not include other faults that I face on the first year of use. I love EM5 but with this annoying problems, if there are any better option, I would take it. I guess I need to go to some shop and try this GX80 myself to see if I like it or not. Anyway, thanks for your suggestion and any further suggestion will be very welcome :)
Hi Mathieu, again what a brilliant review ! I just have a quick question. Im having trouble to decide which body should I buy between emd5 ii, emd10 ii, gx8 and gx85. I love the design of the olympus cameras but I think without the 4K it is a deal breaker. I would like to hear from your experience which one of these cameras has the best AF among them ? Thank you for your respond.
The GX85 has a sligthly faster AF in comparison to the other cameras but the difference is not huge. If you are interested in 4K, the simple answer is: GX85. It's the best bang for the buck you can find right now.
Thank you for such helpful review! Just a question that I am struggling on, I was planning to get the LX100 for daily and street photography, but then I just found out there is this GX80... It makes me so undecided now, which one should I go for?
The LX100 is a nice camera with an excellent lens. It doesn't have some of the features you can find in the GX80 (tilting screen, Dual IS etc) but I enjoyed using mine for several months and I did lots of videos with it as well. I sold it mainly because I review cameras and I can't keep everything :) The GX80 gives you more flexibility if you want to use different lenses, that's the main difference so the decision factor should be: are you also interested in using telephoto lenses or extreme wide angle lenses. Would you prefer to work with fast prime lenses or the LX100 lens is enough for your needs?
Thanks a lot for the helpful reply :) I believe the GX80 is worth spending the extra bucks on. Especially after seeing the varieties of MFT lenses and the features that this camera brings, it is definitely worth investing in. Thanks again for your helpful review and reply!
It should be one of the button on the rear, I think it's the Fn2 button that brings up the quick menu on the screen, and there you'll find the AF/MF setting.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons There I find only the options for phto style,motion pic set,picture setting,quality,,metering,,exp comp,,sensitivity,and white balance. I probably have to use an autofocus lens to find this option.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons It bothers me that I do not have the whole focus area in the frame, even with the help of the focus peaking function. I can't move the focus point where I want to. And the photos come out mostly out of focus
Great review, Thank you!! I am debating between the Panasonic GX85 and the Olympus EM5 II. I suspect that the dynamic range on the Olympus looks better then the GX85, am I right? Do you find the shadows on the GX85 to be too dark ? and if so then I wonder if there is a way to fix it within the camera settings.
+ofer3877 dynamic range is very similar on both cameras. The vivid profile on the GX85 has strong shadows but you can change the highlights and shadows intensity and also the contrast of the picture profile.
+ofer3877 I like the colours of Olympus cameras better but if you work with the RAW files that matter less. But maybe just for stills I would go with the E-M5 II. Better EVF, nice design and ergonomics, weather sealed etc.
Mathieu Gasquet thanks for sharing this with me. I guess I will go with Pen-F. Is there anything better in same price range and size? I have been doing lots of research and your reviews were the most helpful. Thanks again.
Great review, thank you! A question about the built-in flash, does it perform well (as much as an internal flash can)? I would use it for fill-in flash shots indoors with the head bounced upwards.
you can't tilt the head upwards, plus I don't think it would be powerful enough to give you good results. But it also depends how close the subject is, but if I were you I would invest in an external flash.
The G85 has the best ergonomics and is weather sealed. IQ is the same as the GX85 but the G85 has a larger EVF than the GX85. The GX85 however is smaller. The GX8 has an excellent EVF but can suffer from shutter shock.
Mathieu Gasquet Thanks! I already found out about shutter shock, so I think it is a bit of a deal breaker. Thanks again! I think I will go for the G85 for the ergonomics and the viewfinder, also the back dial is much nicer. Thanks bro, and Nice review you have here!
+Pannawit Mohprasit I couldn't compare them side by side but for me the answer is no. Most m4/3 cameras have the same IQ and the little differences, if there are, are irrelevant.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) I just found some issue. GX80's evf has 0.7 magnification, but it's in 16:9 aspect ration. Anyways, what's evf magnification in 4:3 aspect ration?
Great review - a litle surprised you havent reviewed the GX9 given that it addresses all the "downgrades from GX7 to GX80" plus adds 20MP sensor etc .. would that mean the GX9 is a perfect camera for you?
I compared the GX85 and GX9 on our website: mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/gx9-vs-gx85-gx80/ The GX9 has some nice improvements, but it's not drastically different from its predecessor.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thank you so much its a great review & I'm v impressed you can get decent images at up to 2 secs hand held on certain lens on the GX9 vs max 0.5 secs GX85 (like my EM5ii). Now the price diff between the GX9 & GX85 has dropped to £100 (£450-£350) vs £200 at time of review (£600-£400) the GX9 seems a compelling buy altho both great cameras, cheers Rich
Ciao Alvaro, ci sono differenze sul design e l'ergonomia (il grip della G80 è più comodo con obiettivi più grossi) e anche sulla qualità del mirino (più grande sulla G80). Ovviamente la GX80 ha il vantaggio di essere più compatta. Sensore, AF e stabilizzazione sono identici. Anche la batteria se non ricordo male dura di più sulla G80.
Trust me, I've seen more or less every gx80 video review and this is one of the best, by far. Great work.
Thanks!
So much camera for the money. Still in love years later. The kit lens is also the best kit lens I've ever had with a camera and I've been doing this a very long time.
Hello my friend from Atlanta Georgia wow that Panasonic is packed with features Panasonic is number one I don't care what anybody says they make a great camera and mostly they have a viewfinder on their compact cameras where Canon and some of the other manufacturers don't even give you that and I believe in having a viewfinder specially in sunlight I don't depend on the screen in sunlight you have to have 20/20 vision to look at that screen in sunlight because of the glare but the viewfinder is really great I have a couple of their cameras the ZS 85 and ZS50 and to me these are both great cameras they work excellent but this camera that youour showing looks a little more beefier and heavy just by looking at it thank you so much for your presentation I thought it was excellent
You cannot beat the B&H deal of the camera with kit lens, a telephoto lens (45 to 150 mm), UV filter, 32 GB memory card and camera bad... all for $497.99. Bough mine last month and love it.
Thank you for the wonderful and comprehensive review! This is our first mirrorless camera (first camera with any interchangable lenses, actually!) and you summarized our thoughts on it very well :)
This is an excellent review. Thank you! I had to suffer through a few useless videos on other channels before discovering yours. Well done!
Great review 👍
Bought it in 2021 and still a great camera.
I still use mine from time to time.
Great review :) Really liked the intro too, very well done!
Happy New Year!
I've just bought this camera complete with the 12-32 compact kit lens. I think it is great for its compact size. The best part and what persuaded me to buy is the current price after the £200 Cashback offer. It nets down to £247 for body only and £347 with the single kit lens. That's half the price Mathieu thought was one of the best deals available back in June or July.
I'm quite familiar with Lumix G series cameras, my last one being a G7 with a G6 preceding it. I'm amazed at the extra features they incorporate with each new generation. As far as the GX80 goes, I love the in-body image stabilisation, extra 4K still features, its compact size and its price. Not so keen on losing several Fn buttons or on the rear control wheel. This camera will replace my Fuji X20, as they are both about the same size as long as either the kit lens or one of several other compact ones available are fitted. The GX80 feels much heavier though. Its also far more advanced [than the X20] and, of course, has the versatility of fitting any M4/3 lens on it.
Happy new year to you as well! Glad you are enjoying the new camera ;)
Huw Williams where did you buy yours ?
Sam Chikowore
I bought mine at a local camera shop, Carmarthen Cameras. Its as local as it gets here, being about 30 miles from home. Cashback finished on the 9th January. Which reminds me that I can now claim.
Thanks, I will check it out Huw Williams
Great review - I'm wavering between the Panny and an Olympus - I have no Olympus cameras so desperately want to try one - but right now the GX80 is marking an awful lot of cards..... Olympus needs to get their pricing on the Pen or Pen type cameras into more reasonable territory. For now it looks like the GX80 is the smarter buy... in my opinion of course
excellent and very detailed review Mathieu, keep up the good work :)
many youtubers should learn from this channel so detailed
Thank you so much!
Great review. Can't wait for Panasonic to put some of these new features in GX9/GH5
Great review, many thanks for the comparison between the GX80 and the GX7. I was thinking about upgrading, but will stick with the GX7. I don't need many of the 4K features and focus bracketing. I like the new shutter and better IS and DFD but wont trade it against the tilting viewfinder, the better grip on the GX7, the MF/AF switch and the better body material. In fact, practically none of my GX7 photos are not in focus or show problems with IS. And BTW, I consider the GX7 as one of the best looking cameras ever. This year I will invest in lenses instead and wait for next years mft lineup.
+Arne Brüning investing in lenses is a wise decision ;) I agree the GX7 AF is very fast, we even used at a contemporary dance show once and it did great.
Thank you, Matthieu. Just bought the GX85 and your review was helpful.
Hi Mathiew. GX80 or EM-10 Mark II. Gonna be my first mirrorless and also a step into photography and video. Keep in mind the kit, gonna be on kit lens for both if I get either platform.
+officespace if you are interested in video too, the GX80 is a better choice and excels for stills as well.
Thx for the quick reply Mathiew. Now I'll just have to wait for it to be launched in Singapore. Gonna Have a feel of both then decide, can't wait.
Good stuff +Mathieu Gasquet! Your comments on MU-43.com helped convince me to get the GX85, and now I want a second! I suspect that the missing features were left out for cost-control and to not make the GX8 look so bad.
Keep up the great work!
+John M Flores thanks!
+John M Flores : Do you get the twitch or jerky movement when panning as shown on review? My copy (so far) doesn't have this problem. Wondering if I got lucky or if it's a telephoto lens thing? I've panned with kit 12-32mm and 25mm 1.4 Fotasy in 4k. I have telephoto lenses but I'm waiting for a converter.
I'm surprised by the results. Kit lens is lovely and stable. I wasn't expecting much as I have shaky noodle arms. Initially, I was searching for a cam + a gimbal but now I don't need that combo. I really love the inconspicuous minimalist boring box design. Personally not a fan busy retro multi dial look. I would say the grip is iffy even with my kid sized hands. It's not deep enough. Maybe add a hot shoe handle for video? But the other stuff, like in camera USB charging, electronic shutter, the extras makes thing easier. I love it so far.
Line Push Yeah, horizontal pans are not the best. I tried to set stabilization for panning (like in photo modes) but that feature is not available when shooting video. I suspect that longer lenses magnify the problem, literally.
"Shaky noodle arms" LOL. I feel the same way and I was also considering a gimbal for an upcoming motorcycle trip but I think I'll make do without one.
My brother has the GX7 and the grip is much better. I walked a mile with the GX85 yesterday and at first my fingers got tired because I was holding on tightly. Once I relaxed my hold and let my fingers and thumb press lightly against the camera things were better. And the wrist strap is there, just in case.
Is the stabilization in video ugly like in minute 12:55??
+Simone Summa yes it can be, that's distortion effect because of rolling shutter.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) that means it can be avoided using faster shutter speed? Anyhow great video! I'm on business for this camera as a second body together with 6d
+Simone Summa thanks. Rolling shutter isn't affected by a faster or slower shutter speed, it happens because the sensor is scanned from top to bottom (one line at a time instead of all lines at the same time). Only certain cameras that have a global shutter can avoid this.
Thank you for the review. Choosing your very first camera is hard lol.
Just bargained one for 320 euros, I'm so looking forward to using it!
How does this camera fare in 2023? I see the prices are around 500€, would you recommend any other for the same price?
Damn, the IS seems incredible! Thanks for the review!
has the shutter wheel stopped working properly yet like it has on my gx7 poor designed. not happy
Great work, I’ve just picked this up after watching this video! Cheers
+chris aldridge thanks! Enjoy the camera;)
Mathieu Gasquet thanks man!
Do you still consider this camera to be a good choice in 2017 ? I suspect Panasonic is going to release a refresh relatively soon but I can't wait ahah.
Yes it's a great choice now, lots of features and quality for a competitive price.
Thnaks Mathieu for your answer.
Excellent review, thanks for the information. I'm hoping that maybe a firmware release for the GX8 will give us focus merging.
Thank you for another excellent review!
Thank you, great review. I'm trying to decide on my first mirrorless. The idea is to get a camera that does everything not best in class, but well for the next couple of years. The purpose is to have it as a walk around/travel camera with small zoom and a 17mm prime. Would you say gx80 is better than e-m 10 m2 aside the 4K capability?
They are both excellent cameras. The GX80 is sligthly faster with AF, but the E-M10 II has a better EVF.
Hello,
I have a question regarding RAW files - when switching into electronic shutter mode do we get 12-bit or 10-bit RAW files ??
Nobody from Panasonic could confirm that so far :(((
Thanks
Chose my first camera after watching this, thanks a lot! Shot my first short film with this camera :)
Thanks, glad you liked it!
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I just bought one recently too. Going to use it mainly for everyday street photography and taking reference photos for my watercolours. Mine is coming with bundled 12-32mm. What’s your recommendation for next all round lenses? On budget. Read few places that 20mm or 25mm from panasonic is good choice. It’s my first real camera 😊
The Panasonic 25mm f1.7 is a good one, or the 20mm f1.7 II if you want something a bit wider.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thanks :)
Which one is better deal between canon M50 and Panasonic gx85 for travel and family photography?
Thank you
I would choose the GX85. There is more lens choice, the camera has a lot of nice features and excellent image stabilisation. The M50 has a better autofocus however.
Just subscribed! Really enjoy your honest, straightforward reviews ... I was all set to jump on a GX8 (esp. now they are nearly half what they used to be..) but I have concerns about the shuttershock I've heard about. But I'm wavering on a GX80 because the EVF on the GX8 looks to be better than the GX80 (I too wear glasses and it makes a difference). Also, the weather sealing, while not a huge deciding factor sure would be nice...What are your thoughts? Which would you choose with limited funds? Thanks!
The EVF is definitely better on the GX8 and weather sealing is a welcome addition. The shutter shock is quite annoying. Personally I sold my GX8 and bought the GX80. I'll use it mainly for product shots and for my youtube videos as it has everything I need (4K, IBIS, compactness etc). I guess it depends on what your needs are and what kind of shooting you are planning to make. For example if you shoot lots of outdoor sports or wildlife where the weather is not always on your side, weather sealing can help.
Does it merge the postfocus images to get a fully focused shot? Or you have to join them later in lightroom?
you have to joined them later with Photoshop or a software that can do stacking like helicon focus
Can you attach the Oly 12-40 and mount the combo to a tripod? The forward position of the tripod socket makes me wonder.
+Billy Burg yes I was able to attach it on my sample, but if you want to remove the lens you have to loosen the tripod plate a little.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thanks very much! Got the camera and so far loving it. The 12 - 40 has been on my want list for some time.
you guys make me happy
thanks for your explain
god bless you
Nice video!
I can trade a canon m with Meike adapter,50mm 1.8,55-250 is stm and a peak design clutch for a gx80.
should I do it??
Would you pick this or the G7 (mainly for video)? The lack of a mic input and the Cine-like D profile is annoying. What do you think?
probably the G7 can be more versatile. The mic input is helpful if you don't want to record the audio on a separate device and I like the Cine-Like profile. The only real advantage of the GX85 is in-body stabilisation but it depends if you shoot a lot hand held or not (and you can always use a lens with OIS on the G7, not the same result but acceptable).
A fantastic review! Thank you. I'm very interested but I don't like a few things: 1st.: the plastic body and the low variety of lenses. The 2,8 zoom lenses from Panasonic 12-35 or Olympus 12-40 are to big for this body. But I will think about more about this camera before I will make a decision to buy.
the m4/3 system has lots of lenses, it's the best selection among mirrorless cameras.
Brilliant review, I have been waiting for this. My idea is to get this body only and a lens 20mm/15mm/25mm(panny/Oly), though not sure which one. The outdoor location with Heather wondering around looks interesting, where was this shot?
+Mahesh Gogtay I love the 15mm. Great sharpness and very interesting angle of view for street, reportage, travel (if you like to get close to your subjects too).
Hi buddy,
Can you explain me more about the function of the "fn3" button. and do more videos of how we can do the set up to get really good photos?
I have a question... if the GX85 and GX8 here only differ $60, which one should I get?
+RusticKey I would say it depends on what you like to shoot the most. The GX85 has better stabilization and is smaller. The GX8 has a better grip, better build quality with weather sealing and a larger EVF.
Mathieu Gasquet I will mostly shoot handheld (and probably with the kit lens on the respective cameras), constantly moving camera and object. Also I need a _killer_ grip because my hands are weird.
The GX8 grip is definitely better so the camera should be a better fit for you. The in-body stabilisation is excellent for stills especially if you use it with a Panasonic lens compatible with Dual IS (should be the case for the kit lens). The main difference concerning stabilisation is that the GX8 uses sensor stabilisation for stil only and not for video (but you can use the lens OIS+electronic stabilization).
Mathieu Gasquet Thank you for the detailed response! You sold me on the GX8, I'm set.
Again, thanks!
Is the EVF good? Because I read a review from DP that said the EVF was bad because of the 16:9 ratio, like the color tearing was really noticeable in bright light. And is the image really small since it's in 16:9 compared to 4:3? In your review you didn't mention it so I'm hoping it isn't a big issue. I'm looking to purchase my first mirrorless camera, and I'm considering this camera, the Olympus OMD-EM10 mk. II, and the Canon EOS M3.
The 16:9 ratio didn't bother me too much. The color tearing is noticeable in strong backlight situations if you pan quickly. The E-M10 II EVF is slightly larger.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thanks man! You da best!
Great review! But to be honest, if they would have put in the AF/MF dial and the tilting EVF as well as an external mic input (I think you forgot this one, big one for me) instead of deliberately leaving these things out, then they might as well completely stop selling the GX8... I think it is already a better camera then the GX8... better IBIS and much better shutter (no more shutter shock)
+STEHH87 Yep, I think that they tried to not make the camera too close to the GX8 otherwise because of the lower price it could have become a too "dangerous" competitor. But then at the same time you downgrade one product so that you can have two. I guess there isn't a perfect solution. Too many cameras out there :D
P.S.: you are right about the mic input, but I guess the smaller size of the camera makes it more difficult in terms of hardware to include that as well.
Hi. If I right understand this camera has 3 stabs. First 5 Axis. Second otical in lens. And digital. Can I disable only digital? Sorry for my eng.
+Ivan Vasyliev it's 5-axis, Dual IS (5-axis + lens stabilisation). Electronic (digital) stabilisation works for video only and yes it can be disabled.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thank you.
Mathieu, does the EVF/LCD show a stabilized image even when using a non-stabilized lens?
yes it does when you half press the shutter release button.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thank you!!
yeah man thanks for the review I wonder if can use this camera with the 14mm and 20mm that would be great
you can use the camera with any micro four thirds lenses.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thank you
Which one do you recommend to someone who use only manual settings on an really old lady (Leica V-lux 1, 2006) for landscapes, food photography, animals and portraits ? A GX80 or a G7 ?
The IQ is basically identical on both cameras. You get a little bit of extra sharpness with the GX80 because it lacks the AA filter. The G7 has a moe substantial grip, the GX80 is more recent and more advanced concerning certain features (5-axis stabilisation). This article could be of help as well:
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/gx85-vs-g7/
Finally i'll spend a little more and go with the GX8, thanks for your help and keep going.
Hi! I want a second camera for using as a travel/onthegocamera. I have my another one when I do some photo works but a bit big to bring everyday and on travels. Im looking for a camera good in both stills and video but there is a jungle:) I had looked into to just start up with a GM1, kit with the 12-32 mm as many has liked that camera. But then after watching some reviews maybe the GX 80, the lx 100 or even the tz100 is an option. The LX 100 seems nice but misses some of the good stuff in the GX85. Do you think it comes a new LX model in september? Hope you can advise me here and thanks for all of your nice reviews.
Rumors suggest that a new LX camera is coming but even if it is true, between the announcement and the actual release, it probably won't be available before fall.
The GX85 has everything you need: good IQ, excellent video, in-body stabilization, small and compact. It's one of the best quality/price mirrorless camera on the market right now (all brands included).
Mathieu, when using EF or vintage/manual lens, do you double the focal length? There seems to be 3 camps, the double camp, leave it as is and some even suggest half? Focal length is fixed therefore it doesn't matter if it goes on full or crop frame argument makes sense to me, but I am not certain. What do you suggest? Great review, btw.
+Line Push I set the real focal length, not the equivalent. If you double the focal length the IBIS can overdue and create more shakes.
Thanks for reviewing this. Love your videos and reviews !
One question I noticed in the video that when talking about the new shutter and how it sounds, you cut away showing the shutter sound of the gx7 and not this camera :(. Can you upload a video with an example of this new shutter sound please :)
Also does it have first curtain E shutter ?
+Valkyrie743 The funny thing is that I watched the video three times before publishing it and I didn't notice that it was the wrong shutter sound!! As Homer Simpson would say: D'oh!!
Anyway, the real one is here now: th-cam.com/video/XHGvLtsnVYM/w-d-xo.html Thanks for pointing it out.
The camera doesn't have the E-first curtain option.
fantastic review..! and yes, the tilting EVF was the AF switch was supposed to be retained but..
Hi, atm I'm shooting with me mobile phone and I want to step up. Would you think that this camera would be a good camera to go for, plus how much difference in image quality would it be?
It's definitely a nice step up from your phone, better dynamic range and low light performance. Plus there is a vast selection of lenses.
Mathieu thanks for this review I was eager to see something like this, definitely I will purchase the gx 80.
I'm just wondering if I want to shot a video with a person, do you think that the gx 80 is capable of track an human face without any problems? I know that is impossible to have a performance like Canon eos80d but just to know.
Cheers
+Nuno Rodrigues you would get mixed results I think. If you have a look at my IBIS comparison between the GX80 and the Pen F, there are a few shots where I follow a person walking and some of these GX80 shots are sligthly out of focus because I was using C-AF. It's worst with Olympus lenses but still it's not 100% accurate.
How is the rolling shutter compared to the Sony a6300? better or worse?
+Jacky Fonteles Eriksson slightly worse on the a6300.
Great review. I' m thinking about my first real camera.What model you recommend gx85 or omd em10 iii ? I wonder which AF model works better? I read, that contrast AF is not so fast, but Panasonic provides DFD technology that theoretically works faster. Have You seen any differenses in AF speed of this models?
It is a bit faster yes, especially in S-AF, but it doesn't make a huge difference in my opinion, especially with these two models.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thank You and which model in Your opinion is better choice ? I want to mix photo and video in travel situation.
* microUSB charge ?
* does it save photo in date format such as 20160726_025343 ?
* how do you compare it to Olympus OM-D E-M10 II?
Thanks
Yes you can charge via USB. I don't think you can save files with date format.
The main difference with the E-M10 II is better video for the GX80 (4K, more options and settings, etc). The E-M10 II has a better viewfinder.
hi ! is normal to feel the internal sensor moving when the camera is off and I move/shake it ? is that the stabilization system? thanks !!
Well mine does so I hope it's normal ;-)
The first detailed review I've seen for this camera. Thanks.
Would you say the rolling shutter is the same as G7 or is it worst?
+ferlinmogot to be honest I don't remember exactly how it is on the G7 but I would say they are similar.
hello ! im looking for a light travel camera, cant decide between this one and Son a6000, wat do you think?
The a6000 has better AF and image quality, but the GX85 is nicer to use and there are more lenses to choose from.
Ehi! Good video! I have a question: Can I use the camera connected to the charger? It is a feature I need, because I often make stop-motion video.
The USB charger won't work to power the camera without a battery inside and when the camera is on, the battery won't charge.
Tell me please. I want to buy a GX80 to shoot art videos for myself. Stimulated fotik. So, will the matrix stabilization of the GX80 work with lenses without O.I.S.? Or do you need a lens with O.I.S.?
The sensor stabilisation (5-axis) also works with olympus and panasonic lenses that lack OIS. You can even adapt third party lenses and still use in-body stabilisation (you need to set the focal length manually).
I have the GX85 and only take photos. When I try to use the 4k video it always jumps when replayed in Lightroom Library mode. Is there a book that would help me learn to use this wonderful feature.Thank you,David
It could be the computer that struggles to handle the 4K video if it is old or maybe the software. Which computer/versions do you use?
I have a Gateway computer about 3 years old, Windows 7 and Lightroom version 6.10.1
Thank you for the video. I'm using canon d700 for years now and I'm looking to move to a smaller size camera that has at least the same quality. I noticed that the sensor size in gx80 is smaller than the one I'm using now. How does this effect the quality?
Thank you
+danit elgev a larger sensor can give you more dynamic range and better high ISO performance but often the difference between APS-C and micro four thirds is not his huge. There is also the shallow depth of field factor: with the same aperture and field of view, you'll have a shallower result on the the Canon. One solution is to use fast primes on the GX80 which give you excellent results wide open already.
I found that panning is a little jerky in 4K video even on a tripod, as you know scaling it down to 1080p works wonders... The little jerkiness that it has greatly reduces if my goes away in MP4 or AVCHD 1080p 60 fps. That's my experience videoing dressage, the slower you pan the better you will be. BTW I looked at SONY's camera and it didn't have nearly all the feature that the Panny has other than the megapixels and ability to take and shot in really low light...but you can;t beat the price. The only thing I DO NOT LIKE is the little plastic door and the locking mechanism which requires you to manually move it to close... I wish it was spring loaded ... but that's the worst of it for me. Oh yes one more I wish the 4K was in 60 fps too. Great review and thank you
+carmas54 thanks. more fps can help with panning but often it is a matter of finding the optimal combination between fps, focal length used, speed and duration of your movement.
Love the review! I want to get one..but I'm not sure if I should get the kit lense (32mm) or the Panasonic 42 mm lens. In my country the price is almost the same..any suggestions ?
do you mean the 42.5mm 1.7?
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons sorry I mean the 14-42mm 5-5.6 II
Hi Mathieu, I've been watching your videos and they are great, thank you. Got a quick question. Which camera do YOU recommend, RX100 iv OR G7 OR GX85 for 4k videos and stills please? I've heard GX85 is not so good for videos, what do YOU think please?
The GX85 is good for video but the G7 has more options (Cine-Like profiles, mic input, fully articulated screen). The quality is similar (you can see a comparison video here: th-cam.com/video/fjsnNmuh7M4/w-d-xo.html)
The RX100 IV has great slow motion capabilities but I wouldn't use it as my main camera for video: battery life drains really fast and 4K is limited to 5min per clip.
Nice review. A question for you. Stills from 4K footage are jpeg. I'm not great on the tech side, but is there any way that a .raw still could be pulled from 4K footage or am I missing something? I probably am.
The camera would need to record in Cinema DNG (RAW sequence for video) but that would be lots of GB to write every second.
As some1 starting with photography and who wants to make some 4k videos of a baby growing up should i pick this one of the Sony a6300 ? or is there another alternative?
The a6300 will give you better low light performance and more accurate and faster AF for video, otherwise the GX85 has more interesting functions (stabilisation being the most relevant one). The a6300 can also have some overheating problems at time when shooting 4K.
Mathieu Gasquet gx85 sounds more beginners friendly and also is slot cheaper. is There a big difference in micro 4-3 and Sony E lenses?
M4/3 has more lens choice, including many and affordable fast primes (45 1.2, 25 1.8, 25 1.7 etc) from Panasonic and Olympus.
I believe you have the GX8 in your camera arsenal. I have a G7 and shot no video, I
like the camera but because of my early onset of Parkinson Decease, I feel that
the Stabilization in the GX8 and GX85/80 would be beneficial. I have the 14-140 and 12-32 OIS Lumix lens. There seems to be some great pricing on the GX8 all of a sudden. What camera would you recommend my getting?
Thanks,
David
The GX85 has the best stabilisation but the GX8 does well with OIS lenses that are compatible with Dual IS. The GX8 has a larger EVF and better grip. However it has sever shutter shock between 1/50 and 1/320s (an issue that Panasonic solved in the GX85).
Matthew, Is the G85 (new G7) a step up to the Gx85? what besides weatherproofing is the advantage?
also, how does the range finder style work for videos?
The sensor and AF system are the same for both cameras. So the real advantage is weather proof, more ergonomic body, bigger battery, mic in and more settings for video (Cine-Like profiles). Dual IS should be a little bit better on the G85.
Can you plug microphone to this camera? Is it better then g7 only for filming? If not is there something better atm or coming up soon? :)
There's no mic input unfortunately. The G7 has the mic input so if that is what you are looking for, the G7 might be a better choice. 4K quality is the same but the GX80 has the advantage of 5-axis stabilisation. I am sure something will come in September for Photokina (maybe the GH5).
Thank you very much! :)
whether wise if I switch to lumix G80? My previous camera Canon 60D and whether the video could be better than than the 60D?
I haven't tested the 60D so I can't really compare, but Panasonic Lumix cameras always have excellent video capabilities. The GX80 also has good in-body stabilization that works for video too.
ok thanks, but when compared with the sony a6300 you will choose which one?
Maybe this video can help ;)
th-cam.com/video/BmNk_aon7k4/w-d-xo.html
I'm looking for a travelling camera, would the Panasonic GX85 or the Panasonic GM1 be a better buy?
+Maisha X I would choose the GX85 for its video quality and 5-axis stabilization.
Hi Mathiu, great review!
I am planning to buy my first mirrorless camera. Considering Lumix GX80 or Sony Alpha 6000. Which one is better to you? Thanks!
Hey Mathieu! Loved, LOVED the review! It was well worth the wait.
One question: Since the AF/MF dedicated switch is gone, can you assign that to a custom Fn function instead? Or do you have to do it on the screen every single time?
+Marcos Codas Yes you can assign that to a custom button and choose one of the four AF modes: AFS, AFF, AFC and MF.
Ah, fantastic! Not a problem for me at all, then. I was really worried about that.
Thank you so much for your content. It's fantastic.
And your interaction with your audience is second to none.
-Marcos.
There is an AF/MF switch on at least some lenses - my Summilux 15mm f/1.7 has one.
Olympus omd em10 ii / Lumix Gx85
For photography
Good review, thanks! And you sure test the stabilisation while you talk with shaking the camera like that all the time..;)
Hi Mathieu. Great video, thanks. I currently have the GX7 and just ordered the new Panasonic 100-400mm for wildlife photography. Can I ask your opinion - you mentioned that the IBIS is particularly good for telephoto lenses. Is it worth me upgrading to gx80 from gx7 for the benefit of IBIS and lens stabilisation? Or would the differences be insignificant?
with the GX80 you would benefit of the Dual IS system with that lens so there is a significant improvement. The new camera also has a new shutter mechanism that eliminates any problem of shutter shock. That being said, the GX7 has a better grip in my opinion. I would try the lens with the GX7 first to see if the lens OIS is enough. If you are satisfied with the combo then you can wait to upgrade.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) thank you I really appreciate your response and advice!
Excellent video. I spoke to Panasonic and they told me that 4K photo sequence composition and auto tracking. Is this the case? In addition have tried the gx9? What do you think?
I think the sequence composition mode is not available on the GX85. As for the GX9, I recently tried it. It's a good upgrade but the GX85 can be found for less money now.
Mathieu Gasquet strange its a 4K photo feature and they said that it works maybe is hoffen or need the software upgrade
Certainly possible, but the latest firmware update for the GX85 is more than one year old. Perhaps they will release a new one later on.
Excellent review! You concentarted on the thing that are unique to the GX80 which is really good as there are now so many 16MP m43 cameras around. I regret the stupid 16:9 viewfinder on a camera that has a 4:3 format (which is one of the very few things I dislike about the m43 system, albeit it's a huge thing, sadly...).
+Markus Koller thanks. I guess they choose the 16:9 viewfinder because of the video features but I would prefer a 4:3 VF as well.
Great review! Does this camera support shooting hyperfocal with panasonic lenses?
Hi Mathieu, would you say the gx80 is a worthwhile upgrade from the g7 for a still centric shooter?
The most obvious advantage is sensor stabilisation. If you use a lot of non-OIS lenses it can be interesting for you. The compact size is another advantage but perhaps a better question is: is there something about the G7 that doesn't satisfy you?
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) not greatly, mainly I like no aa filter/ l monochrome / OIS to assist with lower iso handheld. Also, I hear the jpeg engine is slightly better on the gx80?
The lack of AA filter is noticeable only in a few situations (fine texture/textile in a close-up shot for example), but most of the time there is no difference. The JPG engine is good but I haven't compared it side by side with the G7 so I can't confirm.
wich one do you think is better in photogrphy this one or the m50?
The M50 has a larger sensor, so you may get something extra in terms of high ISO performance.
The Canon has a faster AF system as well so it will be more reliable in C-AF mode, and with face detection.
The GX85 has more lenses to choose from.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thanks!!
Hello, can you charge the camera while recording video/taking pictures?
No the camera must be turned off in order to charge the battery.
Thank you for this exelent review.
I have a question about video shooting:
Can you power the camera with an external power (i.e. a power bank) while shooting video?
there is the possibility of buying an optional AC adaptor and DC coupler to power the camera without worrying about battery life so there could be the possibility with a power bank as well.
Excellence review!! I am interested in this one since my EM5 just broke down and I need to find some camera to use. What do you think?
Well, tilt EVF is not a big problem to me since EM5 doesn't has it from the beginning but it will be very useful for my beloved area (Macro). No built-in wireless flash trigger and no weather seal is quite a pain for me as well. Light composition is grey area for me because I think it will be the same as Olympus's.
How about the quality of RAW file? I use it so often before the camera broke down.
+Kunut Manathanya the RAW file is good and overall the IQ is superior to the original E-M5 that has an older sensor (especially at high ISO, past 3200).
However since you know Olympus cameras already, why not consider the E-M5 II? It's weather sealed and has wireless flash trigger with the supplied FL-LM3 flash. If you want the spent less, there is also the E-M10 II (but you loose weather sealing).
I am thinking about EM5 mkii as well, I really love the design. Here are the reasons why I look at Panasonic;
1. They got panorama in-camera (still curious why Olympus didn't make this function?) which I think I may use more frequent than flash trigger.
2. Focus speed is quite better for me but most of my lenses are Olympus's, not sure it will be any difference.
2. GX80 got a built-in flash
3. The body size is quite similar (GX8 is too big for me) and also got IBIS
4. I afraid of camera fault and other QC problems. For 2 years of use EM5, I got shutter curtain fault twice (one after warranty end and second one is after extra 6-month warranty end but this time I didn't fix it but will find a new camera instead). This is not include other faults that I face on the first year of use.
I love EM5 but with this annoying problems, if there are any better option, I would take it.
I guess I need to go to some shop and try this GX80 myself to see if I like it or not.
Anyway, thanks for your suggestion and any further suggestion will be very welcome :)
+Kunut Manathanya if you can try it in a camera shop, that's definitely the best thing to do ;)
A lovely camera but have you found a way to open Raw files yet?
+Malachi O' Doherty Iridient Developer opens them (if you have a mac computer).
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) Thanks.
Hi Mathieu, again what a brilliant review ! I just have a quick question. Im having trouble to decide which body should I buy between emd5 ii, emd10 ii, gx8 and gx85. I love the design of the olympus cameras but I think without the 4K it is a deal breaker. I would like to hear from your experience which one of these cameras has the best AF among them ? Thank you for your respond.
The GX85 has a sligthly faster AF in comparison to the other cameras but the difference is not huge. If you are interested in 4K, the simple answer is: GX85. It's the best bang for the buck you can find right now.
thanks for the heads up. Appreciate it so much :)
Good review. You convinced me to buy it.
+Grampasso Films thanks. We're still using it ;)
Mathieu Gasquet Hope It will pair well with my LX100 :D
Thank you for such helpful review! Just a question that I am struggling on, I was planning to get the LX100 for daily and street photography, but then I just found out there is this GX80... It makes me so undecided now, which one should I go for?
The LX100 is a nice camera with an excellent lens. It doesn't have some of the features you can find in the GX80 (tilting screen, Dual IS etc) but I enjoyed using mine for several months and I did lots of videos with it as well. I sold it mainly because I review cameras and I can't keep everything :)
The GX80 gives you more flexibility if you want to use different lenses, that's the main difference so the decision factor should be: are you also interested in using telephoto lenses or extreme wide angle lenses. Would you prefer to work with fast prime lenses or the LX100 lens is enough for your needs?
Thanks a lot for the helpful reply :) I believe the GX80 is worth spending the extra bucks on. Especially after seeing the varieties of MFT lenses and the features that this camera brings, it is definitely worth investing in. Thanks again for your helpful review and reply!
When in manual mode how do you set manual focus?
It should be one of the button on the rear, I think it's the Fn2 button that brings up the quick menu on the screen, and there you'll find the AF/MF setting.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons There I find only the options for phto style,motion pic set,picture setting,quality,,metering,,exp comp,,sensitivity,and white balance. I probably have to use an autofocus lens to find this option.
Ok, it you have a manual focus lens, then you don't need to set the camera to MF. If you turn the focus ring you should see focus change.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons It bothers me that I do not have the whole focus area in the frame, even with the help of the focus peaking function. I can't move the focus point where I want to. And the photos come out mostly out of focus
which lens/adapter are you using?
Great video review! Would you advise this camera in 2019 as first entry level mirrorless?
Yes absolutely, you can find it for a very good price.
Absolutely - I happened to see it advertised yesterday for £320 WITH the kit lens... or £399 without. Go figure!
Great review, Thank you!!
I am debating between the Panasonic GX85 and the Olympus EM5 II.
I suspect that the dynamic range on the Olympus looks better then the GX85, am I right?
Do you find the shadows on the GX85 to be too dark ? and if so then I wonder if there is a way to fix it within the camera settings.
+ofer3877 dynamic range is very similar on both cameras.
The vivid profile on the GX85 has strong shadows but you can change the highlights and shadows intensity and also the contrast of the picture profile.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) But based only on photo quality would you command the Olympus over the Panasonic?
+ofer3877 I like the colours of Olympus cameras better but if you work with the RAW files that matter less. But maybe just for stills I would go with the E-M5 II. Better EVF, nice design and ergonomics, weather sealed etc.
I can't decide between this and PEN-F. The price difference isn't an issue but is it worth it?
I wrote an article about these two cameras, it might be of help: ;)
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-olympus/gx85-vs-pen-f/
Mathieu Gasquet thanks for sharing this with me. I guess I will go with Pen-F. Is there anything better in same price range and size? I have been doing lots of research and your reviews were the most helpful. Thanks again.
Hi, what's the difference between gx80 and gx80k?
GX80K comes with the 12-32mm kit lens
Great review, thank you! A question about the built-in flash, does it perform well (as much as an internal flash can)? I would use it for fill-in flash shots indoors with the head bounced upwards.
you can't tilt the head upwards, plus I don't think it would be powerful enough to give you good results. But it also depends how close the subject is, but if I were you I would invest in an external flash.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I can tilt the built-in flash upwards on my GX85 just as easily as on an LX15, RX100M & 4, Sony a6300, etc.
Panasonic GX8 or G85 with 12-32? What would you choose? Or the Panasonic GX85 wih 14-140?
Thanks! Im really doubting...
The G85 has the best ergonomics and is weather sealed. IQ is the same as the GX85 but the G85 has a larger EVF than the GX85. The GX85 however is smaller.
The GX8 has an excellent EVF but can suffer from shutter shock.
Mathieu Gasquet Thanks! I already found out about shutter shock, so I think it is a bit of a deal breaker. Thanks again! I think I will go for the G85 for the ergonomics and the viewfinder, also the back dial is much nicer. Thanks bro, and Nice review you have here!
Great review!! Anyways, I really miss the AF/MF button that miss from my G7. However, does image quality are different from G7?
+Pannawit Mohprasit I couldn't compare them side by side but for me the answer is no. Most m4/3 cameras have the same IQ and the little differences, if there are, are irrelevant.
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) thanks :)
+Mathieu Gasquet (MirrorLessons) I just found some issue. GX80's evf has 0.7 magnification, but it's in 16:9 aspect ration. Anyways, what's evf magnification in 4:3 aspect ration?
+Kevin Davis I prefer the Oly colours and JPGs better. If you don't need 4K and better video quality, I would keep the E-M10 II.
Great review - a litle surprised you havent reviewed the GX9 given that it addresses all the "downgrades from GX7 to GX80" plus adds 20MP sensor etc .. would that mean the GX9 is a perfect camera for you?
I compared the GX85 and GX9 on our website:
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-panasonic/gx9-vs-gx85-gx80/
The GX9 has some nice improvements, but it's not drastically different from its predecessor.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thank you so much its a great review & I'm v impressed you can get decent images at up to 2 secs hand held on certain lens on the GX9 vs max 0.5 secs GX85 (like my EM5ii). Now the price diff between the GX9 & GX85 has dropped to £100 (£450-£350) vs £200 at time of review (£600-£400) the GX9 seems a compelling buy altho both great cameras, cheers Rich
Ciao Mat, ti seguo sempre su i podcast di saggiamente, tra la gx80 è la g80 ci sono reali differenza, a parte la tropicalizzazione? Grazie
Ciao Alvaro, ci sono differenze sul design e l'ergonomia (il grip della G80 è più comodo con obiettivi più grossi) e anche sulla qualità del mirino (più grande sulla G80). Ovviamente la GX80 ha il vantaggio di essere più compatta. Sensore, AF e stabilizzazione sono identici. Anche la batteria se non ricordo male dura di più sulla G80.