A Review And Test Of The Panasonic GX80/ GX85 Micro Four Thirds Camera
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- A camera so good they named it twice!
A look at the Panasonic GX80/GX85 Micro four Thirds Camera.
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RIP Mr. Thorpe. Thank you for all the knowledge and memories.
David's reviews are always accurate and down to earth. A great photographer and teacher and a lasting legacy in these videos. R.I.P.
A new fan of David and sad to hear of his passing.
David - I've recently begun dipping a toe into the M43 waters, and I have to say that your thoughtful, pragmatic reviews are a really invaluable resource. Many thanks for devoting the time and energy into producing them - keep up the great work!
Love Love LOVE the Jason and the Argonauts animations! Great audio and images too. Very well done!
Thanks very much, John, it's nice to know it is appreciated.
The way he ends every episode, was unique. We miss you David.
David Thorpe, reviews are sharp, livin long he dont play no harp. cameras and lenses are his friendses but he keeps it real always to the endses.Lol boy that was baad , even for me. Appreciate your reviews, believe me I know the amount of time and effort it takes to shoot and edit a thorough review like this. Respect
It is a lot of work but comments like yours make it well worthwhile. Thanks!
Thank you David, it is always a pleasure to listen to someone so articulate and sophisticated - liked the box simile near the end.
Thanks Stef!
Usb charging, thank you for covering this detail. M43 is great for travel and this feature helps so much now.
Hadn't thought of that but yes, handy to charge in a hire car or external battery. I wonder if there is a solar charger capable of dealing with it?
This is hands down the most thoughtful and helpful review of this Camera, despite it being focused on stills and I'm interested in the video features. I rarely take the time to comment but you earned it. Very well done
I'm flattered - thanks very much Brandon.
Another great review, David. Like in my comments a short time ago on your Pen-F review, I added the GX85 to my collection a couple of months ago. This review also validates that decision. As for your review videos, they're absolutely the best I've heard, anywhere. So concise, well spoken, a true pleasure to listen to. Thank you again!
Thanks, Alan. Much appreciated.
Good review as usual.
Needed to upgrade from my old GX1, wanting Image stabilization and wifi filetransfer.
Was about to get a used GX7 but found a black friday deal getting a GX80 body for a bargin.
Thanks for a good review!
And another great and thoughtful review of a M43 camera from you David.
Always a pleasure to watch and hear your thoughts on this stuff...
As you can see, I'm becoming quite a fan of yours :)
Thanks very much, Andrea! It means a lot to me to hear that :-)
Once again, another awesome informative review. Love your style David. 1000 views so far, 162 thumbs up and no down. Thanks for the video! Useful information for real camera users.
Yes, that's what I aim for, a real world use of the camera. I'm still bemused by the popularity of my videos - but I like it! Thanks for the comment.
Been in youtube daily waiting for this review - thanks David !!
Nothing like a pop up flash that does ceiling bounce.
Thanks Jose - yes you can bounce the flash, though it has to be held back manually.
Thanks, David. Always enjoy your reviews. Just bought the now 2-year old GX85 (US) and your review was helpful in pointing out features I need to pay attention to!
There's not much the G85 can't do - and compact and light with it. Excellent camera, you'll love it.
David Thorpe - thanks, David. Comes tomorrow. Excited to try it out.
I enjoy your reviews quite a bit. Thank you for the effort you put into them.
Thanks! They do take a lot of effort but its fun and comments like yours just make it better :-)
Thanks again! for a superb review! This review make me consider a GX80 to complement my GX8!
thanks David - always appreciate your reviews. For me, the well-stabilised video on this for family/holidays is a big deal.
Thanks for that. At last Panansonic are catching (have caught) up on the stabilization front!
Good analogy at the end, David. This camera intrigues me for the potential for macro work (4k burst). Thank you for yet another thoughtful review.
Thanks Dustin. For moving insects 4k would be excellent.
Really great reviews and always spot on. Thanks David.
Thank you, Robert.
I really do like your down to Earth reviews.
Hi David, thanks for the review! Just a thought about your comment on the lack of tilting EVF. It was a "Who cares" feature when I bought my GX8 awhile back and while I still feel that way overall, I notice I pop it out of the detent every time it comes out of the bag now. When you mentioned the lack of it, I realized I use it to keep my nose off the screen and I think I will miss it now. And thinking about it, I'm not sure any of the reviews I've watched (I haven't watched any on the GX7) have given Panasonic credit for fixing the nose on touch screen problem.
As you are also a GX8 shooter, I'd like to ask you: While it would probably get criticized for being strange, do you think the GX80 would have been better to have fixed the EVF tilted at 10-15 degrees?
Nice review. Picked up mine as an upgrade from my GM1 and I love it. For me this is a truly great hybrid , very strong on stills and video alike. Love the OIS. I always feel as if Panasonic listen to their customers, and that encourages my continued loyalty to the brand.
You sometimes get the impression that they don't listen - over shutter shock, say. But then, suddenly, out of the blue, they bring out something that solves the problem all at one go. I'd always wondered how long they could hold out against body stabilization,then came one try, OK but not great, with the GX7. Next thing, dual stabilization, so no-one feels they've wasted money on an optically stabilized lens because it works better than sensor stabilization alone would. Clever thinking.
Indeed Panny has top grade engineers and the firm works like a true big dog--don't bark much.
I've owned this camera for about a month now (I bought it partly because of this review) and I'm still coming to this review just because I enjoy it, haha.
Thanks for making the video, David.
20mm 1.7 II coming tomorrow.
Glad you enjoyed it, Marcos!
Excellent review as always. And I like your sense of humour. Your jokes are said with a straight face.
Thanks very much Sanveer. What jokes :-)
Great review as always David ....Thank you
Thanks!
Excellent review of a great budget mirrorless camera. It's my go to one hand camera for video and photo.
Thanks!
This is why David is a must watch for anything M43.
Thanks!
thanks for the video. bought the camera because of it. Happy New Year.
You won't buying it - a lovely camera. Happy New Year to you too!
Another great video. which lens would you recommend, the Olympus 40-150 or Panasonic 45-150? thank you
I suspect the extra weight is due to heat sinks to allow the extended 4K video operation.
Hey David, I am missing your settings for the camera in the end like in the Olympus E-M10 Mark II Video. Can you help me find the best base to go with?
Terrific on-point review! I think you nailed it!
Good to hear that Zeus, thanks!
Hi, can you pls explain why the shutter sound so slow,i mean there is a lag between the press of the shutter and the actual picture taken like older GF2. How could I increase the speed like G6 or G7. I have all of them. No matter how fast is the shutter like 1/80 or 1/200 sec its sounds same to me. Pls help.
Nice review! How is the image transferring via Panasonic App? Can you transfer the RAW files or 4k footage to iOS or Android? Im buying one GX85 now in 2022 and im curious if its possible RAW transfer nowadays.
Great review David. This is the second time I bought a Panny based on your review (last one was a GH3, after you kindly answered my comments back in 2013).
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the GH5, I mean, the GXXM584%$ :)
Thanks Zhixi - yes, I'm looking forward to the GH5 too. Unless they change the name, of course :-)
Hi i like this video , have two fujifilm cameras xt1 and 2 was thinking about a 16 f .4 for fuji but have seen gx 80 for sale with a wide zoom 12 to 32 for sale at a third of the price do you think i am nuts to go for that just as a wide option ? cheers hope you can answer Thanks . mostly stills .
An excellent informative review. Thank you!
Glad you liked it, Mark. Thank you.
Excellent video review!! Thank you -- again!
And thank you again!
Just an awesome review. Thanks!
Thank you!
Awesome review David. Love your voice :)
Thanks, John!
As always a great review!
Thanks Terry!
Very nice cam and video, thank you! :)
Thanks!
Great review David, many thanks - just don't fall off that bike!
Hahaa! I certainly wouldn't chance it on a public raod :-)
Love the stop motion monitor flip. Nice.
Thanks Shannon!
Great review as always David, but maybe there is a problem with audio, coud it be the gate on your video editor chopping the start of many sentences?
Looks like a winner. Thanks.
Hey David... Would you prefer Panasonic over Olympus for capturing my playing daugter, or are they pretty much equal?
A review so good, I watched it twice. Hoping some of this makes it into the GH5. However, I may buy one of these too for an everyday carry.
Thanks! Yes, a GX80 would make an excellent second camera to a GH5, whenever it arrives.
I bought one-- a jewel. I almost hate to use it--it's so nice. It's a bit less convenient hunting through menus, than my GH4 but now that I' reprogrammed a few of the buttons, it has been a nice addition for a second camera. The smaller size is welcome. I can put the camera in one cargo pocket and a lens in another and leave the bag at home. With the 12-32 zoom on it, it fits in one large pocket. Last weekend, I used it with the 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 boating and was able to get some really nice photos on the boat and surprisingly good shots of other boaters. I'll have to try it with my 100-300mm. Pictures are very sharp with my better lenses. I'd like to do some tests to compare them.
Great review, David! Thanks for all the hard work! Do you think this camera would be a noticeable improvement over the Pany G7 in terms of getting sharper images with the new Panasonic 100-400mm f/4.0-6.3 lens? Thanks!
Thanks Linda. You'd have the dual stabilization with the GX80 but you'd want to use high shutter speeds with the 100-400 so not a radical difference. I like the little bit of extra crispness with the loss of the low pass filter too but again, not radical. Personally, a big lens like the 100-400 would, for me., sit better with a DSLR layout with a central EVF than the GX80's left side fitting. Also, the G7 has a better EVF which is important with a big long lens. All in all, I'm saving you spending your money again, Linda! Any more of this and you'll be firing me :-)
I love that you tell me your honest opinion! I kind of have you up on a pedestal and always follow your advice...(no pressure...LOL). THANKS!
Thanks for the review. Would you recommend a GX80/85 over the Fujifilm X-M1? Motorcycle travel photography (landscape/street/scenery, not action)
Sorry, I can't really help there. I stick to Micro Four Thirds equipment and it wouldn't be right for me to recommend anything I hadn't worked with myself. Lovely cameras, the Fujis.
Very well reviewed.
Another great review David, measured and accurate, very impressed. I bought the GX80 for my wife after watching some of your reviews. I use a full frame Nikon system and wanted a small but competent camera that would supply reasonable raw files for me to process. It is the first Micro 4/3 system I have used. I have been so impressed with its abilities at low ISO I have started borrowing it with the 12-32 & 35-100mm compact zooms and UltraPod II mini tripod/strap clamp for travel. The Panasonic remote app is a revelation to me! I have been using the GX80 for two months getting some great images and saving carrying 10kg of FF body, glass & tripod when travelling. My back & I thank you!
Thanks for the kind words! I think you summed up the GX80 very well as competent. There's not much it can't do and with those lenses (the same as I use with my GX when I'm away) you hardly know you have it in the bag. The remote app, yes, very useful and something that is relatively easy to implement with an all electronic camera. It will never attain the out and out image quality of your Nikon but like you, in a fight between an aching back and IQ, my back is he winner! Glad you find my stuff helpful, very pleasing to me, thanks.
My pleasure, thank you. How I would love to use an app like that with my D810, truly eye opening. Based on my experience of the GX80 my friend has just purchased the G80 with 12-60mm and the 100-400 for lightweight wildlife photography. He doesn't like carrying around 150-600mm glass on his APS-C Nikon.
That 100-400 focuses like lightning, great wildlife lens.
He/we went for the Micro 4/3 Panasonic G80 & 100-400mm based on your reviews. He's over tomorrow so I will get to have a play. If you get a chance have a look at the UltraPod II mini tripod. Not as rigid as your Manfrotto 709B and it will not take a FF dSLR & f/2.8 zoom but for lightweight city shooting with the GX80 and the compact zooms the ability to attach it to railings, small trees etc I have found very useful. I have an extra length of velcro that I can add to extend the size of objects i can attach it to and it only weighs 190g. I have just returned from a couple of days photographing The Shard and the More London area. After shooting all day and the blue hour/early evening with my Nikon gear I couldn't carry it anymore so I left it all at the hotel and just took the GX80, 12-32, 35-100, Ultrapod & the app out for night shots. Some of the best shots I got were with it in places a big tripod would have attracted too much attention. Off to Berlin in a week for two nights, only taking the Micro 4/3's gear, looking forward to travelling light. :-)
Net jon that tripod, very versatile. Have a good trip to Berlin.
I have a question: does it make longer videos? Like 30 minutes or more.
A great review. Thanks for the info.
Gad it was useful, Keefe.
Good review...I am curious to know that since the gx85 doesn't have a microphone port if you can possibly use the usb port with a headphone adapter to plug in an external mike
No, unfortunately the USB port is for charging and file transfer only. You'd need to use an external recorder/ mike.
Finally a proper review of the GX80/85, a camera worthy to replace the GX7. When my GX7 dies, I will surely choose this camera to replace it.
Regarding your comment on the GX8, I agree. The GX8 is anything but a GX7 replacement, and doesn't really have the GX7 "personalities". The GX8 is more suited as a "serious" body for us MFT shooters, sitting at the same place as the E-M1, E-M5 Mk II, and the GH4.
I can already imagine a perfect dual body setup, consisting of the GX80/85 as GX8's sidekick, both wielding two different focal lengths that can cover any photography and video opportunities.
Many thanks for the excellent review, David!
Glad it's helpful - thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, a GX8 and GX80 would make a good pairing. If I had a GX7 and was happy with it, like you I wouldn't be in a hurry to upgrade. The price is pretty reasonable but it will come down a bit as they all do. The GX7 was and remains, a sweet camera.
Thanks a lot David
Hei, and thanks for good work. I am bying a camera for taking shots of clouds, landscape and sun sets. Is the g85 with the stabilisator better than the GH3 without? Bea
Landscapes can often be at their best at dawn and dusk. You can shoot in lower light with stabilization, so the G85 would give you a greater time window in which to make your pictures. Ditto sunsets. Ideally, you'd use a tripod for those types of shots but whichever way, the much newer G85 will give you better detail due to the removal of the low pass filter.
great review! would you say the 5 axis stabilization would make the non stabilized panny/leica prime lenses that much more versatile? I typically keep my 12-35 f2.8 on my g7 just for the stabilization in case I need to shoot a video run and gun style, while my primes don't see much playtime and usually sit there unless I absolutely need the extra speed / shallow depth of field
Yes, I definitely would. A non stabilized lens on this camera has quite similar performance to a stabilized one on a non-stabilzed body. What is new is that the IBIS is available for video now.
Thanks for the nice review!
Thank you, kelvin!
Quick question if you have time David. I use a handstrap rather than a neckstrap for my GM1, but sometimes a neck one is useful. I noticed that you're using the same strap holder for your PEN-F, GX8 and GX80. Could you please let us know what strap is that one and if it doubles up as a hand/neck strap?
Thanks a lot!!!
Hi Jose - they're from a company called Peak Design. The main thing is that the fittings on the camera are quick release so can be used for straps or wrist straps and even your own strap if you wish. I put a pair on each camera so that I only need one strap or wrist strap for all my cameras. They're very quick to slip on and off and importantly, very secure.
Nice review. I got 1/250 sync with a manual flash. I agree- a swiss arm knife... bad at nothing... good to excellent at many things. I received mine 1 month ago, and I've been enjoying it a lot for both photos and video.
Thanks - yes, bad at nothing but with state of the art Micro Four Thirds capabilities . Remarkable for the money.
Great review! I love my GX7, but seem to always have major problems getting out linked wirelessly to my cell phone/tablet. I do a lot of solo pics and would love to use the app to get the apt just right with me in it but have been frustrated with connectivity issues, how does this model work worth wireless/panasonic app?
For some inexplicable reason the GX7 put out much less WiFi power than the other Panasonics. I found it limited the range to a couple of meters and made the connection unreliable. The GX80 has the same power as the rest of the range, connect easily and has a range of around 10m under most conditions. Thanks goodness for that!
Is micro 4/3 not a problem in low light conditions?
Great review Dave
Thanks very much, Ray!
Im really enjoying your reviews. Im trying to decide now between this and the OM10 mkii.
Glad you like the reviews, Mark, thanks. You'd likely be happy with either camera. The biggest single difference is the rangefinder or DSLR styling which is a personal preference. The GX80 has a smaller EVF, which I find perfectly fine but some don't like. On the other hand the Panasonic has better video. The Olympus is a safe choice if you don't do a lot of video - I see you would buy the Mark II. That would be my choice too for the metal rather than plastic body of the III. The Panasonic has better autofocus which may be a factor. It's not a big difference in day to day use but Panasonic's AFC is definitely more reliable. One more factor is that the GX80's shape makes it a bit more convenient for general carrying around in a shoulder bag, And with the 12-32, it's very compact and has dual stabilization. Add the 35-100 compact zoom and you have a highly capable, highly mobile outfit.
Perfect review. I was almost sold on the GX7 - perhaps from Ebay, and you've now thrown me back into confusion. I'm a Lumix point&shoot owner looking to get a bit more creative. From your excellent review I know you are going to recommend I try both and see which I like best - I just wish someone would make the decision for me! Lovely paced reviews. Big fan.
Thanks Tim! If I were you and if you are willing to spend the extra money I'd buy the GX80/85. The shutter and better stabilization are worth it alone and you get the other capabilities, 4K etc, as a bonus.
Hi, thanks for the review, it's a bit unclear to me the difference between GX85 vs Pen F regarding shutter sound, in term of loudness, are they the same? (I could tell they have different sound but couldn't tell which is louder). Thanks!
The GX85 has a very soft, whispery shutter, The Pen F is louder but still not loud!
Hi David, the best review of the GX80 I've seen/read so far, thanks as usual! I've got one question on the sensor and one on the flash :) 1. Have you had moiré issues because of the lack of low-pass filter? I shoot a lot of architectures and so it might be an issue. 2. Can you bounce the flash on the ceiling as it was possible with the GX1 and GX7? I love that feature on my GX1! Thanks again...
Hi Giorgio - thanks. I didn't have any moire issues and I believe the camera software is tweaked to get rid of it. The flash, yes you can bounce it but it has to be held in position, as with the GM1.
Excellent video as always. Are these lenses included with the camera good enough. What other lense would you recommend for street portrait and landscape use? Which for 4k video ?
The 12-32mm supplied is about the sharpest of the standard zooms and a real keeper. I like the Olympus 17mm f/1.8 with this camera, a sort of modern take on a Leica. Also with the Olympus 54mm or Panasonic 42.5mm f/1.7 for portraits. A good longer lens with this is the tiny Panasonic 35-100 f/4-5.6 zoom. That and the 12-32mm make a ridiculously small and light travel and out and about outfit.
Hi David. One of the photos in this excellent video has text saying 'Single AF tapping the screen to focus'. I cannot find this option on my Lumix GX80, I have found the 'Tap to focus and shutter release' though. Do you have any advice please.
If you go Custom Menu->Touch Settings, make sure that Touch Tab in ON. From the screen touch the centre tab. Touch the top icon (that is, not the AE one) and it will scroll through AF only, AF and fire shutter and Off.
I need to ask because I am conflicted between gx80 and olympus e-m5 II. I like the range finder style of the gx80, but according to dxomark em5 has better low light capability or noise performance. Is it that obvious for someone who enjoys occasional nigh sky photography while camping? BTW, I also like to know for only one lens which one should I get: panasonic 20mm f1.7 or olympus 17mm f1.8!?
In the real world away from charts and test rigs all the latest Micro Four Thirds cameras have similar overall image quality. There are many reasons to prefer one camera over another but IQ isn't really one of them. Regarding the 20mm and 17mm, I prefer the slightly wider 17mm focal length because i find it a bit more versatile than 20 or 25mm. You can usually move a bit closer to something but getting further away can be more difficult, in town, for example. However, the 17mm focusses more quickly than the 20mm and overall therefore, I prefer the 17mm.
David Thorpe thanks a lot. Your videos with their unique theme are really helpful. I will go for gx80 with 17mm then. I do not know but I like the rangefinder style more, probably because of my magnificent nose! ;-)
My GX80 and 17mm are a classic feeling combination for general purpose photography. The biggest down side of the GX80 is the EVF but I just set it to a 3:2 aspect ratio which gives a nice big view.
Tell me please. I want to buy a GX80 to shoot art videos for myself. Stimulated fotik. So, will the matrix stabilization of the GX80 work with lenses without O.I.S.? Or do you need a lens with O.I.S.?
The body stabilization works with any lens, stabilized or not in still and video and in video will use the E-Stabilization as well. If you have a Panasonic lens with O.I.S it will operate with dual IS, combining the two system but it isn't necessary.
Just bought this over the om-d e-m10 mark ii at 500 euro(body) from ebay.I chose it because i read that it focuses faster and better in videos and in low light,plus the stabilization that i might use for 2 lenses with dual is and the better video i need,i saw many pictures and read many reviews before i decide so do you think i made the right choise?I am coming from a v1 for the last three years and i use it a lot for videos of me doing bmx,so i need something to focus fast,i am goinf for the pana 25 mm 1.7 as my first lens and then for wide i am thinking the rokinon manual 12 mm lens,do you recomend that lens for landscapes?Or some other lenses?my third lens will be the 42.5 mm pana as i need the stabilizations.Great review and very thankfull thank you
Thanks Sakis - your prime lens choices seem excellent to me. The only thing is that the Samyang is manual focus which you may not find ideal given its wide aperture. The alternative, the Olympus 12mm f/2 is quite a bit more expensive but does have auto-focus. Fast wide-angles don't come cheap! If 14mm is wide enough, the 14mm f/2.5 Panasonic is a nice little lens. Ideally, I'd buy the Olympus but if you are comfortable with the manual focus, the Rokinon is a very good buy.
I've had the GX80 for a couple of months now, and given it a thorough work out. One thing eludes me - how to lock centre spot focus.
Whenever my nose or fingers brush against the screen it moves the focus point, and I often find myself shooting with it in a corner before realising the problem. I've even turned the screen off entirely, but touching it still moves the focus point. As someone who habitually locks focus on the centre spot before recomposing, this is a pain.
Am I missing something obvious, or is there no way of locking the focus point on the GX80?
All you can do is Custom Menu->Touch settings and turn off Touch Pad AF when using the EVF. If you leave Touch AF On, you can still use Touch AF when using the monitor. At any time, to centre the focus area box, take the camera from your eye so that viewing transfers to the monitor, touch it and press Disp. Also, you can set viewing explicitly to the EVF by toggling the Fn4 button which disables all screen functions (obviously). If you do that, you'll want to set Custom->Direct Focus Area on so that you can move the AF area box around the EVBF using the cursor buttons.
You probably know all that but it might be helpful for others.
I didn't know, and the info is much appreciated.
As mentioned in your review, the battery can be charged with a portable charger. I am wondering about the battery life. Would one fully charged battery be enough for one day trip?
I think I'd prefer to have a spare battery. I usually buy a couple of cheapies from Amazon as a back-up. I've never had any trouble with them though they don't give as many shots as the real thing.
My GX85 arrives tomorrow. I wonder if you could share your custom settings in a video. I'm curious about the scenarios a seasoned pro like yourself would set for and the settings for each. Thanks for the awesome review. Very excited about the camera, my first micro 4/3.
That's an idea, Mark and thanks for the kind remarks about the video. You've certainly started out in Micro Four Thirds with a great camera. I'll see about a settings video. I tend to set up a basic modus operandim, put it on Custom 1 and alter it temporarily from there if necessary.
Hi! I have a quick question. I currently own a GX80 but have recently been thinking whether getting the GX8 is a better option. Especially because it's weather-sealed and more than rainy conditions, I have been wanting to take it to the beach but I am a bit concerned (although not sure if I should be*). I have read about the GX8 having a low-pass filter unlike the GX80 and I am not sure if the difference in sharpness between both is actually noticeable.
Based on this, do you think the GX80 is still a better option or will the GX8 be an actual upgrade?
Thank you!
*not into the water tho! Justin the sand
I don't think you'd notice any IQ difference in the cameras in day to day work. I'd also say that I think care to keep dust and sand away from the camera is more effective than any 'weather sealing'. The sealing of cameras isn't to any agreed standard like it is with mobile phones. All in all, unless you really wanted the extra body size of the GX8, I'd keep the GX80.
Hello,
I have a question regarding RAW files - when switching into electronic shutter mode do we get 12-bit or 10-bit RAW files ??
Nobody from Panasonic could confirm that so far :(((
Thanks
There doesn't appear to be any way of finding out. I don't see any difference between eshutter and mech shutter quality but any difference would only be visible under extreme post processing which I don't do.
how does it fair at iso 3200?? I want to go for the gx85, but I am unsure about the low light performance and unsure about the lens sharpness of the Panasonic lenses, dxomark has given them very low sharpness resolution.
I use it at 3200 regularly without any problem and the GX80 (or any other recent Micro Four Thirds) is perfectly good at that speed. The idea that the Panasonic lenses are low resolution is absurd. They are among the sharpest I have ever used in decades in photography, as are Olympus. Those intensely technical tests tell you more about the testers and their methods than the lens itself. Someone pointed to me the other day that the site you mention gives different resolution figures for a given lens on different camera bodies. That is patently absurd.
Hi , how do you compare GX80 with 25 mm lens and kit 14-42 to nikon d500 with 18-55 in terms of image quality and iso
The D500 is 4x the price of the GX80 so it's not a comparison I'd make! On a phone/ tablet/ normal sized monitor you are not going to see much difference in image quality. The GX85 is about a stop behind the D500 at high ISO, 3200 on the GX85 being very similar to 6400 on the D500. If I made a lot of prints at 20" or more across, I'd prefer the D500 IQ but it's a half way house and for a worthwhile step up in IQ, you really need a FF camera or better.
For 100Euros difference I am between this camera and the sony a5100. This one having less mpx sensor but with 4k capability. It is going to be my first advanced camera (Ive only had low budget compact cameras in the past). Could you tell me press and cons of each please?
Jan Garcia
Ok for the camera. Do you have thought the cost of the lenses? Sony lenses are expensive big and heavy and with other lenses you will lose the automatisms of the camera. I also have a thought of Sony a series but I think at the end I will prefer the cheapest option. I will cry less after a couple of years my lost money.
Halo brother.. I’m newbie for photography, and I plan to buy the gx85, and which first prime lens you recomend for me? I plan buy it for my business (clothing merch), and for models photo. 🙏🏻
Hi - I'd suggest the Olympus 45mm f/1.8 for model shots provided you have enough space to work in. It enables you to get a pleasing natural perspective for people and gives good control over subject from background isolation. If you are going to be working in a confined space, any 25mm like the Panasonic 25mm f/1.7 will do but it won't give quite the same pleasing results.
On the strength of your reviews I have just taken delivery of a GX80 with Olympus 17mm 1.8. My travel bag now consists of said body and lens as well as an Olympus 45mm 1.8. Stunning results I must say and so wonderful to return to prime lenses. When I started as a pro I had two Nikon FM bodies, Nikkor 24mm 2.8, Nikon 105mm 2.5, Nikon 35-70 2.8 and Nikkor 300mm f4. I've been a pro snapper for UK quality nationals since 1992 and since 2006 have been using Canon DSLRs. I currently have a 5D MK3 and 6D MK1 full frame with lenses. Huge heavy bag to carry. Now, thanks to Mr Thorpe, I also have GX8+Olympus 12-40 2.8+Panasonic 35-100 2.8 all in a small Domke bag. Obviously on close inspection the full frames DSLRs have the quality edge but that is subjective. Compare the GX8/GX80 to my early Nikon D1/D1X/Canon 20D/7D/70D and the MFT win hands down. And I was getting half and full page pictures in colour in The Independent from a 2.74 megapixel Nikon! Keep on reviewing old chap and I'll beep buying.
Interesting, Thurston. It's often forgotten just how small a pixel count is really needed for most photographic outlets. I don't know how many editorial photographers are using Micro Four Thirds now - some use Fuji, I know. But professionals tend to be very conservative with their cameras, anything new has to really be up to it and earn its keep.
I'm afraid that from experience, many national 'snappers' refer to the MFT as toy cameras. They still prefer their huge lenses and camera bodies. More fool them! It's not how big it is, it's how you use it...as the old saying goes.
Absolutely. I use a Samsung S8+ phone and I reckon one of those properly used would be no different from a Canon in newsprint. But only for a limited range of subjects. Wouldn't care to rely on one in a riot or a half page landscape! I read somewhere that some Magnum people are using Micro Four Thirds in war zones.
Excellent review, as always. Thank you for the intensive work.
Though filming on a bicycle on a very wobbly path would not be my obvious choice to demonstrate the good dual stabilization.
It is time to swap my LX100.
I agree about the bicycle, actually but its hard to demonstrate that something _not_ shaking. So I thought showing something that ought to be impossible might do it. Given the price you get for used cameras these days, I wonder about selling them. I have to because otherwise I couldn't afford to buy the new one for review but might't it be worth keeping the LX100 in the car glove compartment or desk at work?
+David Thorpe Thanks for your response. You are right, I don't sell my LX100. I love it but the 4K videos I make are shaky. That is why the GX80 is so tempting. Actually I hope that soon there will be an LX200 that offers the same stabilization as the GX80.
It would make sense to add the 5 way stabilization to all their cameras gradually. We'll see.
Wonderful review, David! Though I am more interested in this cam (GX85 in US) as a video tool to continue my m43 lens collecting whilst waiting for GH5 (or newer) in future. Per other comment below, much respect for the work put into this review. Liked and subbed!
Thanks - much appreciated!
For one that use a lumix tz5 for almost 10years mostly for city houses, architecture and lanscape, what do you suggest for something better in photo quality with a use of one, maximum two lenses?
Thank you.
An Olympus e-M10 Mk2 or Panasonic G7 are good workhorse cameras. Take a look at a GX80 too. Those are in the mid price range and solid performers. I'd be inclined to a G7 with Panasonic 14-140mm zoom. That's what I've recommended to friends on the basis that it is a one stop solution. It'll give about the same wide angle coverage as your present camera too.
Thank you for the reply. I will look their characteristics.
does stabilization work for 4k?
Wonderful review, I enjoyed your dry humor! I love this camera but I'm disappointed with the lack of external mic. I will mainly use the camera for stills but will do some motion - did you think the built-in stereo mic was decent enough? I won't be filming concerts, mainly landscapes and family but the mic on my LX7 really leaves something to be desired even under those scenarios... Also, did you enjoy the E-M10 MII or G80 more?? Cheers.
Thanks for the kind words! Overall I prefer the feel of GX80. It feels more snappy to use and more modern generally. I find the built in mic does a decent enough job on insect noises, for example. It wouldn't be much trouble to buy a digital recorder and separate mic if you want better, they are simple to sync in video editing software, just line them up.
Hi there again. At 11.59 what are those red button like thing that are hanging on the side of the cameras?
They are the Peak Design fittings for quick release camera or wrist straps. I like them because you can use the same straps on several cameras.
I'm thinking if getting this camera in 2019.
Can you do a comparison with the GX9?
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I haven't got the GX80 now Gabriela, I have to sell one thing to buy another. I do go through the differences in this video but basically, if you are buying from new it's worth getting the GX9 for the 20Mp sensor and other incremental improvements. If you already had a GX80, I don't think it would be worth the quite high cost of upgrading since the improvements _are_ mainly incremental. I'd wait to see what a GX10 might have to offer in that case, in a year or two's time.
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Hey, thanks for your reply!
Hi David, again what a brilliant review ! I just have a quick question. Im having trouble to decide which body should I buy between emd5 ii, emd10 ii, gx8 and gx85. I would like to hear from your experience which one of these cameras has the best AF among them ? Thank you for your respond.
Thanks John! The best AF rests with the Panasonics at the moment, in my experience with Panasonic or Olympus lenses. Both makes are very fast by any standards but the Panasonic's S-AF lock on is so fast that it makes AF-C unnecessary for all but the fastest moving subjects. Of the bodies, I like the E-M10ii or GX8 personally. The E=M10ii because it fits my hands and handles so nicely, the GX8 because it is so well laid out and the gorgeous EVF.
For one camera to use all the time, I'd choose the GX8 overall. But if someone told me I had to use any one of these cameras, I'd be happy.
As always I love your simple straight to the point explanation ! thanks for the heads up David. After hearing from you I think Im gonna go with the GX85 since it has dual IS for 4K vid and the price is the best bang for the buck atm. I hope my decision is not wrong lol. Once again thank you David ! Appreciate it so much :)
You're welcome, John. There isn't wrong decision here - all are excellent cameras. The GX8 has dual stabilization too but the GX85 is certainly great value, especially with the new shutter which feels very pleasing to use. And, yes it has all the latest developments including 4K Crop which is a bit like having the camera on rails. Only works for FHD, though you shoot in 4K. Great camera and one I use a great deal.
Great review as always, David. I've bought this camera on three different occassions, first when it came out but I didn't like the handling as it felt a bit too heavily weighted on the right side of the body. The second time was to give it another whirl but I still couldn't take to it. So on the 3rd occassion I bought it primarily as a video camera and suddenly found myself warming to it.
Now I still have and use it for both video and stills and its great for both and I've gotten used to its handling. The only things I still don't like are the EVF and the screen doesn't flip up or fully articulate. That aside the GX80 is a great little camera.
I'm very fond of mine. It's a perfect size for an all round Micro Four Thirds camera and with the 12-32 and 35-100 gives an absurdly small but high quality outfit. I agree about the screen, though it is perfectly usable. Just a shame that it isn't native 4:3. When you set the camera to 3:2 (I don't use it, myself) the EVF is a much more useful size. And the monitor, there are a lot of people who prefer the flip up. I don't because it's no use for portrait orientation. On the other hand, if a fully articulated screen added much more depth to the body, I prefer to leave it as it is. As you say, a great little camera with a whisper quiet shutter and very good stabilization.
Excellent review Mr. Thorpe!
I bought my first ever system camera the other year, the Lumix GX800/850 and a Panasonic 25mm/1.7 lens instead of the included kit lens. I thought the slim package and low cost would be worth the lack of EVF. I want to keep things as minimal and cheap as possible, and I will try to master 50mm photography with one camera only. Had I seen this review before I would have gone for this one instead... Having an EVF and more robustness for a very small increase in price...
Thanks! For me the EVF is a crucial item but I know people who have never used one and it doesn't seem to hamper them too much. The results you get on the GX800 won't be any different, in any case.
lol @ the naming explanation, very good.
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Would you recommend getting this camera over the GX8? They're not too different in price now.
Difficult because the better stabilization and shutter are well worth having. On the other hand the 20Mp sensor and articulated monitor and superb EVF is worth having on the GX8. All in all, I'd prefer the GX8 for sheer usability. Probably the best thing would be to go much simpler and decide which camera's size you prefer.
David Thorpe Thank you! I think I'd prefer the GX8 because of my larger hands.
You answered my question there too David, but as I already have a GX8, it isn't that much of a choice. It's just nice to know that once again, your opinion mirror[les]s mine. I haven't really encountered the reputed shutter-shock issue, whether that's dumb luck or shooting style, I don't know.
The shutter shock is there from 1/60th to around 1/350th but at normal viewing levels is particularly really noticeable. I use the electronic shutter as standard, because it prolongs battery life and I can choose how loud it is so it's not really an issue for me. I don't think shooting style affects it, it's internal and occurs on a tripod just as much as handheld. It's better to have eliminated it, as the GX80 shutter does but at normal screen viewing or print sizes it's not a big problem/ All cameras with focal plane shutters suffer from it, it's just more apparent on Micro Four Thirds for some reason.
what make and model are the camera strap mounts (the red and black disc shape ones0 you are using ?
They are from Peak Design. You can see them at amzn.to/2j3kIBc (UK) and amzn.to/2itCCfl (USA). I fit them on all my cameras so that I can then just use one wrist strap and one neck strap for all of them.
Bonjour David. Thanks for your great reviews. I'm considering an upgrade of my OMD EM-10 mk1 while keeping my Oly lenses (17mm and 45mm). My goal is to do some basic videos while hiking (hand held), on top of stills. Would you do for an EM-10 mk2 or a Pana GX 80? Thanks for your advice!
Given your wish to make video, I'd be inclined to the GX80 which has 4k video. Its downside is the small (though perfectly usable) EVF but that doesn't matter in video where you'd be using the monitor anyway. You probably don't want to view 4k video but the advantage of shooting at 4k is the great scope it gives you in post processing. Being able to crop is very important with hand held video in difficult conditions,. Plus, it makes quite extreme digital stabilization possible in PP, again great for handheld footage.
@@DavidThorpeMFT Thanks for your response! Found a GX80 for 380 euros, which seems a good deal to me.
@@daviddechamps8840 Good price!