Browning BAR vs Benelli R1: Which Is the Best Semi-Auto Hunting Rifle?
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Mr Spomer, I'm 29. I spend a majority of my time taking care of my grandmother and myself. I went through hunters safety at around 12 with my cousin, it was a blast, I looked forward to my first hunt. Day never came however, got kinda sick and life took me for a ride. Now after everything i've been through the only thing that remains consistent to me is that I NEED to get back in the woods... I'm from Michigan, hunting is in our DNA here. Your videos provide an escape that otherwise would be inaccessible to me at the moment. Thank you, Sincerely.
You are most welcomed, sir. I hope you can return to the wilds soon and often to heal from its restorative calm.
From Michigan- hunting, in DNA- I hear THAT... grew up in G.R. area and hunted from a young age on grandparents and family land... Nothing like an 870 with multiple barrels! Old now, I left there decades ago for the Rocky Mtns, but the Michigan woods (MINUS the winters!) will be a part of me as long as I live on this space-rock... Best wishes and be well! 😊
That browning has an adjustable gas block in the front. Simply take off the forearm, and a turn of the screw in small increments until it ejects reliably will fix the issue. From time to time they come from browning not properly adjusted
Good to know
I really wonder if they oiled the rifle before testing. I know you shouldn't have to but it's good practice
I knew it had to be user error thanks for knowing what it takes to make the gun function properly
And there was me wanting a BAR. Now I don't think I do. I'm glad I watched this video.
I've got 17 rounds through my BAR Mk3 stalker and haven't had any issues. I know that's a tiny sample size, but I do like the rifle. Maybe this one just needed some oil
I have four BARS in four different calibers . 1968: in .270 Win, 1968 in 30'06, 1969 in 7mm Rem magnum, and a 1980 in .280 Remington . Never have I had a failure to fire, or extract . Looks like that gun's going to a Browning service center for warranty work .
@@rjwickland6557 might be a lemon, but a modern BAR isn't the same as an older one. The tooling has been changed, the workers are different, just apples to oranges.
This can also be the ammo used, auto loaders are very susceptible to weak ammo. Plus its a new gun they often need to be shot a few times before they really get honed in. I would conduct far better research than one video you happened upon.
Mine printed 2.5 inches at 200 yards
Thanks Ron. I grew up in a Western Washington camp. As a kid everyone in our camp and most of the neighboring camps ran Remington 742, 740’s and a 7400 all in 30-06. The two odd men out ran a Remington 760 in 270 win and the other a Winchester 88 in .308. I’ve seen piles of elk and deer killed with 180 corlokts and those autoloaders My Dad still runs his 742 and 180 grain bullets.
We use those rifles in Bosnia and Herzegovina a lof (I mean hunters use them in whole Europe, bit I am talking about my case) Almost all of them are Browning BAR new rifles and Benelli Argo rifles (they are pretty much in the same price point), a lot of people are happy with them, exactly like Ron said, people shooting running wild boars in the forest at 50 yards and they are made for that. If someone needs 1moa group than he should choose something else. We use also a lot of combination guns, also new production from Sabatti, FAIR, Antonio Zolli, CZ and they are in the most of cases chambered in 30-06 (bottom barrel) with 12 gauge 3 inch magnum on the top. You can actually choose between 308 and 30-06 in each gun. In the most of European countries we don't shoot over 150 yards and in my land and my terrain it is even a lot less than that. Even a good shotgun is enough, but we all want to have rifles because of big wild boars and brown bears so we do sometimes need more bullets and our accuracy is less important, because when you are staying at 30 yards from big aggressive brown bear even your 10 round magazine loaded with 180 grain Soft point bullets in 308 or 30-06 looks too small... I mean for me those rifles are okay, maybe they aren't precise enough for some people, but at 100 yards that is still dead Bear, Wolf, Roebuck even fox..
Bear Creek Arsenal makes an “AR-8” in 30-06. That would have been fun to throw in the mix!
My rem 7400 vintage mid 1980s prints 3/4 to 1" with a cold barrel and 180g rem core lockt..once the barrel warms up I get a flyer not more then 2 1/2 "groups though hunted with it 35 years no jams no issues
There is a gas block adjustment on the BAR. I have the mark 3 in 243 Win, it has never failed to feed and eject properly. There’s a guy on TH-cam that shows you how to make the adjustment.
I’m a Remington 760 GameMaster 30.06 guy and 742 Woodsmaster 30.06 man
I own a Remington 750 and a 7400 in 30-06 and both shoot flawlessly. I have recently a Winchester SXR2 in 300 win mag that shots as accurate as any bolt gun that I own.
Ron I’ve seen Remington 742 woodsmasters and browning mark three bar both in many different calibers shoot just as good groups as any bolt action,,I’ve had three and all three of them preformed flawlessly for many years and shot under one inch groups with many different kinds of ammo ,,,one was a 270 mark three , one was a 308 mark three ,,the other was a 742 Remington in 3006 ,,,all of them were very fine rifles.
The BAR probably isnt feeding because you are allowing it to push you backwards. If you push your shoulder into the rifle harder it might start cycling. A similar thing happens with pistols if you "limpwrist" them. If you dont have a tight grip you do not let the slide come back as fast because the velocity of the pistol/rifle going backwards takes force away from the bolt coming back.
I forget the physics terms as its been a few year since i took the class lol
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I didn't know that. My Baretta 12ga kicks my butt by ejects at least
There's a few guys from Big Woods Bucks that carry the Browning BAR MK III while tracking bucks and love them in the big woods of the Northeast for their accuracy, speed, variety of calibers, carry ability, dependability for a semiautomatic. Most of them cut them down to 18". Great video Ron! Always informative and entertaining! Keep'em coming!🤙🦌
Just got a new to me Remington 742 in .30-06
The M1 was a pretty good semiauto 30.06. In Army basic we shot popup targets at 500 yds. using the telescoping peep sights. We shot a few sight in shots that hit in the dirt short of the popup targets. Then we got to use tracer ammo to get zeroed in closer to the popup targets. It was amazing how many popups we hit.
Just started the video, can’t wait to see Ron run the Ohio Ordinance HCAR.
Or the BN-36
My dad's Browning i inherited shoots awesome it's a mark 2 in 270 win. he got in the early 70s,I believe .it has a 2.5 lb. Trigger pull made in Belgium.
I don't understand why you didn't include the Remington 7400/742 in your test, between the two models, there are about 2,000,000 in circulation. The Remingtons are easily the most prolific and among all the semi-autos, it's the rifle most likely to show up in deer camp.
Maybe the more accurate of all
Allot of folks complain about them for various reasons. My 742 carbine runs perfectly and is more than accurate enough.
I think they are mostly 4 MOA accuracy, the only thing they are good for is prominent civil rights leaders. That’s a joke don’t crucify me. I’m Jewish, that’s why I’m so funny.
My thoughts exactly… though the 7400/742 have massive problems due to the soft receiver .
Not sure if you have one or not , but if you do , strip it down and polish the bolt,lugs and receiver and if you can afford it , I’ve heard there’s a few gunsmith’s that can case harden the receiver.
He said they don't make them anymore, and they were doing production rifles.
Does a M1 Garand count as a good shooting rifle?
They can do pretty well, but in general not terribly. The nature of their construction and design doesn't seat them well in their stocks. Precision accuracy wasn't a part of their initial design. They can be accurized, but often they are three (sometimes 4) moa rifle. Handloading and bedding the stock can go a long way, and some can be incredible shooters. I knew a fellow who could consistently shoot barbed wire strands at just over a hundred yards with iron sights. The garand does have fantastic sights.
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@@sinisterthoughts2896 used them quite a bit shooting High-power matches, as have others. Never noticed our non-accurized Garands having trouble with accuracy.
I’ve hunted with mine , when sighting in at a hundred yards , it would group tight enough that’s I could cover all eight with a silver dollar , more then enough for elk , ,or as a coyote found out
Most folks can’t shoot less than 2MOA. Which is more than accurate enough for hunting. Not to mention quick follow up shots. Maybe not the best choice for a target rifle. But still many have been used to win tournaments with them.
I once had a Remington 740 that had barely any bluing on the receiver. It looked like a club. I had a cheap old scope on it. It would shoot 2” groups at 100 no matter the ammo I used. It never failed to feed or function. I hate myself for letting it leave my gun safe.
Do your research. The 1918 BAR isn't precursor of the modern non Browning designed BAR.
Yup...much different action.....fires from an open bolt, too.
Man he made the video. If you want to make a damn video go ahead.
And similarly the new Browning A5 is not based on the same action as the original Browning-designed Auto 5.
I bought a Remington 742 .30-06 in about 1978. It shot 3.moa groups with factory loads, and 1" groups with hand loads it liked.
I have friends that have old Browning Bar that puts hand loads 3 in one ragged hole. Always wanted one but now I will stick with my bolt actions.
That is a nice straight pull bolt action browning. Its illegal to hunt with auto-loaders in pennsylvania but this one should fit the criteria well
Exactly what I was thinking. Pretty slick looking for a Steyr M95, lol
I have my father's Remington 742 in 30-06, he told me he had it accurized, not sure what all that entailed, but I saw him shoot a cloverleaf group at 75 yards with it 25 years ago. I use it occasionally to this day.
Watching Ron handle an auto loader is like watching my grandfather use a smartphone
It looked like his first time on the range. LOL
And looked like it was a big Magnum as much recoil it had! LOL
The guys at Browning are not going to be happy.... bad PR for that rifle, nice looking gun, but if its not reliable its a no go. Probably an easy fix but it should function right out the box..
Ron, I love my BAR in 30-06. My dad bought me this rifle in the early 1970s (1970.)when we were in Mississippi so I could go deer hunting with one of his employees. Since then I’ve harvested a lot of whitetails in SC with no malfunctions. My rifle doesn’t have any gas adjustment that I’m aware of. Over time I had to clean the gas system. Once I got the piston moving freely I had no malfunctioning. I got my first buck, a 4-point in velvet, with this rifle. If you drop the floor plate with the magazine in, grasp the bottom of the mag and pull out and it will come out. I have a spare mag that always carry.
I’ve used factory ammo but the friend who taught me how to reload came up with the load I’ve hunted with all of these years. He came up with a 165gr Sierra HPBT using 46.5 gr of IMR4895. In my rifle it shoots about 4-6 inch groups at 100yds., but that’s me because I don’t shoot a lot anymore. It’s good enough for hunting and that’s what it’s for.
I set it aside in 2020 when I got a complete upper for my AR in 350 Legend and I’m trying to work that rifle up for deer in SC. Most of our shots are under 200 yards so I’m hopeful it will work using 165gr bullets too.
Like I said I love my 30-06 BAR, just trying something new.
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Great thing and information not too many people know. Is that the After Market parts for that BAR Battle Rifle that is currently made, will fit on the Browning BAR SA Hunting Rifle, and on the 1's Remington used to make. So, a Pistol Grip, Adjustable Buttstock, Higher Cap Mags are available for them. You are all welcome for that information.
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I used to collect BARs, still have a few Belgium made Grade IIs..
When they are brand new it takes a few boxes to break them in. Make sure when you put your scope mounts on that the screws are not to long as they will interfere with the bolt. Also, you have to check the forearm, the two charging bars sometimes rub on the forearm wood, just sand off the wood to obtain clearance… The BARs are prone to variations to heat buildup in the barrel. Space your shots out when sighting in. The originals made in Belgium BARs are much higher build quality and produce the best accuracy……
The breech bolt is not cycling all the way to the rear of the receiver which could signal a scope base screw which is too long. The bolt appears to "hit the wall" at the edge of the ejection port every shot.
Great break down...Would love to have a class with Ron on anything to do with guns/ammo and or firearm history!
Hello Ron. There are a few more autoloaders in 30-06 on the market. You should check German brands like Sauer and Merkel. There's the Merkel SR1 and the Sauer 303, both are available in 30-06. I bet you can find even more from smaller manufacturers if you do a little bit of research. Especially the Sauer is known for very high quality here in Germany.
I like the old 742 keep it clean and I never had a problem out of mine.
Took my Remington Model 7400 out for its first range day since I owned it. I had gave it a great cleaning, had to buy a good OEM magazine, a new front sight and she shot like a dream. I’m considering taking the old stiff Tasco scope off of it and running straight irons on it.
I have a Browning A-bolt in 300WM that I bought new in 1990. It has the same magazine drop as that autoloader. Took about five hunting seasons to realize the magazine actually removes from the floor plate. Yes you can get extra magazines. Good video, Thanks guys.
The problem with the browning is you cleaned the barrel before you tried it cleaning the barrel can push burnt powder into the gas port i turn my bars upside down when i clean the barrel if it still stops up pull the forearm off and blow the gas block out with air
that is a crazy reason for it not working, how would the gas not purge any debris? the gas block is simply not adjusted properly, bar have a adjustable gas system though it is factory sealed and the seal should be reapplied after adjustment.
I learned that with the old 742 Remington if you keep the gas port clean and don't mess with the magazine they never jam but the thing people think is its a magazine problem when it's just a dirty gas port and gas block I have had several browning bars I have a couple now and as long as I turn the gun upside down it helps keep the bore cleaner from washing gunk into the gas port but if it does get dirty just take the forearm off and use an air hose and a basketball needle with the tip cut off it will clear it out
@@larrycundiff8905 I can't comment on the 742 as I don't have complete knowledge of the system. Though good idea on how to blow out the gas port. I usually full strip when I clean the bar, which means the gas block get scrubbed as well, never ran into any issue.
I have a browning BAR safari II in 300 winmag. Love it!!! Never had issue with ejection, however I did have issue with Hornady whitetail ammo at a certain grain. Browning reimbursed me for the box of ammo and said it was a shim setting issue with that lot number. Other than that I’m happy with 1-2 inch groups!!!
My dad used a MK2 Safari in 3006 for a very long time. Great rifle, accurate, and never failed. I think you will find that the failures in this video will be corrected by a good oiling. BARs don’t like to run dry.
It's that receiver......it's not the same material as our Mark II Safari receivers.....
Yeah, I've had the Mk2 Safari and Mk1 both Belgium made, but never once a failure to eject or feed, still my favorite go to everything rifle, I'd love to hear a follow up on that issue.
I've taken dozens of whitetail over the last 20 years with a MK2 Safari. Accuracy is what I'd call... OK. I'm pretty sure I could do better if I spent more time with the barrel tuner or some load development. But I've never tried taking anything outside about 325 yards. Beautiful gun and smooth shooting, I'll still use it while sitting, and my 6.5 Grendel is now the walking gun, being almost 3 pounds lighter than the ought-6.
Love the Remington auto loaders.. had a browning bar mat finish synthetic stock gold trigger. Loved the trap door too and had 2 spare mags they pop in and out fairly easy. My go to ammo that always had good groups was Remington corlokt 180 grain.
Never had a feed issue with the bar but did with my 7400 and the cheap fix was a light coat of oil on the ammo.
But I'm sure the bar was just dry out the box and needed oil.
I inherited a Rem 7400. It’s great. Got my first elk with it years ago. Shoots sub 2 MOA with most ammo, though I handload, which gets it down to 1.75 MOA. Very reliable feeding.
It is not easy to disassemble so it gets a cleaning once every 3-4 years/100 rounds and still functions with no issues. It really likes the heavier bullets. 200gn Barnes LRX is accurate and very reliable.
Bear Creek Arsenal makes an AR style rifle called the “Huntmaster” and everyone who has one seems to be very happy with them. It might sound crazy but they make one in 300 Win mag as well. I have the 742 Woodsmaster that is incredibly accurate and very reliable. I know people called them the jamomatic but it has never failed for me.
Someone at Browning is getting fired for sending this rifle to Ron Spomer.
Seriously doubt that I’m pretty sure Browning knows these BAR’s are accurate shooting auto loaders from my person experience (see my comment posted earlier today on this post)
Bear Creek makes a fine auto loader in 30-06. Automatic reloaded that run on blow-back to eject and chamber a new round need to be held firmly in order to operate properly. Tuck the stock in firmly to your shoulder and stand fast. Recoil is the answer. It will work properly if this is done.
I’ve had a Dualventure on the front of my 701 and found it to be pretty good, pushed real hard on some serious descents in the Vic high country in February. The tire was heavily scalloped and shagged after the trip with about 4500kms on it. I’ve got a Rallyz on the front at the moment and early impressions are good.
I still have my dad's Remington 742 Woodmaster semi-automatic 306. Great rifle IMO and I have taken whitetail out to 100 yards no problem. Where I hunt on the East Coast 100 yards is about as far as you can see through the woods.
Got 3 bars. ..love them
Check the scope base screws if they are a thread or two long it will cause the ejection problem. And the barrel on the Benelli can’t be free floating because the forearm is attached to a lug welded to the barrel and secured with a bolt so it’s not free floating. And after 3 rounds with either one of them and the barrel heat will start moving the barrel so a 4 or 5 inch group is about the best you could hope for.
Dirty chamber will also cause fail to eject.
Hey Ron, just inherited my grandfather’s Remington 7400 Carbine in 3006-what an interesting and handy little rifle. A BAR or Benelli it ain’t, that’s for sure, but an autoloading ‘06 sure is a fun time. Hopefully I can take that little guy out this fall-it’s what my grandpa would have wanted! Thanks for the video!
Hi Ron,
I have a MK3 in 3006 and Remington Core-Lokt has been great for me but 180gr (round tip and green tip). Over 100 rounds and break-in was important. My dad hand loads and it definitely likes the 2800 FPS area. You also have to play with the screw on the front grip for the right torque. I get consistently 1 inch or slightly under groups at 100 yards.
Happy to connect about it if you need more information!
I have bar over 20 years.. one time there was problems. When it was new and had storage oils in... clean it and no single problem
After watching this episode I feel compelled to add comments concerning the groupings. The handling frustration displayed with the Benelli magazine wasn't understood either but either way preference is subjective. I've been using a Benelli R1 that I purchased new in 2003 for a long time. I've used three different caliber Browning BAR through the years also but ended up trading or selling them all. BAR rifles performed well for me but I still took the R1 hunting every hunting season because it satisfied. It tightened its groupings pretty fast after some time practicing and dialing it to use purpose driven ammunition. I've learned how to maintain and clean it's operating system and it's very reliable. My experience has been very different than what the episode suggests.. The Benelli isn't the only one I use but it gets hunted with every year without disappointment.
I had a Browning BAR with the BOSS muzzle brake in 7mm Rem. Mag. That gun loved every brand and weight of ammo. Never had a misfire nor case not ejecting. With the right hand loads I could get 1/2 min. groups, Loved that rifle but had to sell it to a friend. Every time I ask him how's my rifle, he just smiles from ear to ear.
The german company Sauer is producing an auto loader chambered in 30-06 (Modell 303)
Thanks for this. We missed that one.
I have a Browning Safari in 30-06. It shoots 3/4 inch groups of a rest all day long using a moderate load of IMR 4064 and Speer 180 grain boat-tail soft points. I've used it to take Whitetail Deer in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and on the plains of South Central Kansas. It is a little heavy for a walking around rifle, but for use on a stand its top notch. Also, I've never experienced the malfunctions shown in this video. Maybe they have some crud on the ejector? I've had similar experiences with the Remington 742.
I think you should redo this accuracy test with a Leupold or high end Vortex optic.
I’m a reloader and get 1” groups with my MK3 Bar. Same rifle in the vid. Never an issue feeding with factory or reloads. It takes some tuning. Did shoot 3-4” groups with factory ammo.
Very nice !
I have this exact rifle and I use it for tracking deer in the snowy mountains. My BAR shoots sub moa and has never jammed, even in freezing wet conditions. I dont run a scope on it tho, I run a skinner peep and front sight. Flawless rifle hands down
My uncle had a BAR in 270 Winchester made in Belgium back in the 70s. His favorite deer rifle. He took many white tails with it until he passed a few years ago.
I bought a bar in 300 win mag about 3 years ago. Long story short, it was a beautiful rifle (the most expensive boat paddle I’ve ever owned) and I was excited to take it hunting that fall. Mine had an adjustable gas block but warranty is voided if you mess with it without a certified browning smith. I sent that rifle back 3 times to browning for failure to eject and/or feed. I tried multiple ammo and loads. Browning’s answer was to keep mailing it in. I heavily invested in the rifle to get it to work; I believe I had a lemon. Browning and bass pro never backed the rifle for exchange after three trips to the browning factory for check and repair. I passed that rifle on after its last “browning certified” inspection. I don’t own a browning in the safe. I’m a bolt gun all the way guy now. Ask the lemon policy from the seller before you purchase. It matters in the end. I think browning makes beautiful rifles and great features; it’s the customer service that got me in the end. Good luck to anyone purchasing. Ron’s reviews and bench shooting of the rifle seemed spot on for the BAR you get today.
Thanks Ron for the video.
I have two Browning BARs. One is a Mk 3 and one is a DBM. They're in 308 caliber and function flawlessly. Sighted in the Mk 3 and it's 1 moa good, but haven't sighted in the short-barrel DBM yet. Working on it.😐
Those Winchester Ballistic Silver Tips are super hot!..that BAR never had any hang-ups with those in her!..
Do correction on how to adjust gas on BAR the BAR sure is beautiful
I knew of a guy who had the lugs sheer on a Weatherby shooting with his grandson. When the bolt sheered, it ended up embedded into his lungs, and they settled out of court. This happened in the late 90s.
I've had 2 Belgium Browning '06s "BARs" and they both still shoot flawlessly, I gave my Safari Mk2 to my best friend when my grandpa gave me his Mk1, I have no idea if it has a gas adjustment, but that was surprising to see. Are those Mk3 made in Japan nowadays too?
Wow I never knew!!
Browning made a pretty good semiauto rifle with a locking bolt that was very accurate. A friend had one in 7 Rem Mag.
That was when they were all steel. A friend of mine has one in 300winmag that will drive tacks at 100yrds.
U can adjust the gas block on the browning BAR to fix ur cycling issues i have one in 7mm mag and have never had an issue
There are a much larger variety of these "hunting" semi-autos available here in Europe. The demand is higher here because of the amount of driven shooting, as you correctly point out. Sauer make the excellent 303. In addition the Merkel SR1, Winchester SXR, Haenel SLB 2000 and Voere 2185 and others. These all resemble the BAR and Benelli and have small capacity mags only. They are ideal for fast moving game. In my experience 80m is a long shot on driven game. I brought my Benelli in 308Win calibre to a three position match (standing at 100m, sitting/ kneeling at 200m and prone at 300m,) a couple of weeks ago. I came second, so they also can shoot beyond the normal driven hunting distances. Enjoyed the video. Keep 'em coming!
17:44 thats literally the most common failure of the ar15. Maybe second most common behind the bolt splitting in half at the cam pin.
Also, the multiple small lugs vs 2 big lugs is less of an issue in machining, and more of a mechanical efficiency issue. With a bunch of tiny lugs, the bolt only needs to rotate a few degrees for full lockup.
Bear Creek Arsenal makes their version of an AR-10 rifle chambered in 30-06.
I bought a Browning auto when it first appeared on the market, Belgian made and beautifully finished, it seemed too pretty to hunt with and was a bit heavy with a scope. To my lasting regret, I sold it a few years later. Reliable and accurate it was.
742 bought in 1966 when I was nine from money I earned from putting up hay. I shot pre-date stamp military surplus which would ripoff the rim, and scatter primer into the action. Many, many more date stamped 1940s ammo. Didn't have a problem until the chamber erosion started causing occasional jambs. I have head that Remington had issues with the 742 and later versions, but Mine was great!
That browning is a high dollar single shot
I grew up around the 30-06 and that is what I use now. As a kid I remember my step father purchased a BAR chambered in 30-06 sometime in the mid 80's and initially had problems with it. If i remember correctly he sent it back to Browning to have it tuned at least once, maybe twice before it was anywhere near reliable.
I own a 270 BAR that’s Belgium made and runs like butter and absolutely perfect condition very lucky to find it that clean
Good to get honesty in gun review. My old 7 msg bar, shot the old Barnes 140 x and 160 PMC.
My guess having been around BARs not dried out or no lube in action.
The poverty teddy bear( Bear Creek Arsenal) just came out with an AR-10 chambered in 30-06, if I remember correctly about $1500. If I wasn't broke I would have already bought one😂😂
My dad has a Remington semi auto he took many deer with up to 2021 when he took the last one. He also had an M1 converted to M1D many years ago but I don't know if after that he ever used it in hunting.
Ron you forgot the Noreen bn36 it's a long action A.R. chambered in 3006 ‚300 win‚ 338ect...
This cross-generational collab just makes me so happy. What a kind teacher; what a humble student. Ron, you should go do a vid on his channel so he gets to be "the Master" for a turn! ... As to the rifles, I shoot Garands and M14s, and brother, tuning a semi-auto for match grade accuracy is part engineering, part gunsmithing, and part voodoo. Just too many interacting parts, tensions, etc. for repeatability unless you really obsess over every little thing. So, I'm not too surprised factory offerings are throwing pie plate groups. Tack driving from an autoloader definitely can be done, but it generally takes an obsessive's passion, a lot of money and even then, they tend to shoot themselves out of their sweet spot with time. I love them, but they just don't possess the inherent accuracy of a bolt action. But man, are they fun!
Ron, you might have to adjust the gas piston gas intake. There is a screw on the gas piston that you can adjust. Try ipening it up more to let more gas into the piston so the operating rod can fully push the bolt carrier back and eject the shell casing.
The BC-8 has been out for about two years and I think the GLFA GL10-LA which is available for pretty cheap came out at shot show a few years ago. I think they would probably be good examples of the modern auto loading 30-06.
I knew the R1s had reported accuracy issues in 300 win mag, so I tempered my expectations when I bought a used one. But man based on this I must have gotten a diamond in the rough. It routinely does 1.5" at 100yds with any ammo I feed it, and it eats any ammo I feed it without complaint from either of my two mags. Agreed on the mag engagement though. It can be rough getting that mag in without being aggressive.
My dad benelli is quite picky on its ammunition as well however we found 168gr ballistic silvertip and it now shoots a group slightly less dollar size group at 250yrds
My BAR with a BOSS in .30-06 was extremely accurate. I sold it as I am 77 and am cutting back on my collection. I suspect operator error re both rifles.
I have an old Belgium bar in 270 win. Ive been through and rebuilt it twice, first time before Hornady advertised superformance not for gas guns, yeah jammed my bolt into the back of the receiver, bent the timing latch, it was so annoying i havent hunted it since i fixed it last
somebody also made an AR style 30-06 a few years ago and there’s some videos of it here on the tubes. I “discovered” it because, I pretty much try to find out if anyone’s built an AR style rifle in any new (to me) caliber that I discover. haha. Turns out there’s an AR style rifle in many different caliber. Kentucky Ballistics even had a 45-70 AR once! there’s even a 300 mag AR out there.
My bar shoots 165 grain sierra game king with 71 grains of rl19 and I can fit A nuckle over a 3 shot group
That new Browning BAR is awfully purdy. Another rifle that I have always wanted, especially since Guns and Ammo magazine published an article of one converted to .458 in the 70s. They've become even nicer looking rifles now and 30-06 is just fine---if it doesn't malfunction and group sizes halve.
Ron I don't know what is up but in the late 60's I owned a steel received BAR in .270 Win that would hover around 1 inch at 100 yds with 130 gr bullets. Can't imagine they have gotten that much worst over time. Surprised!
Every rifle is unique unto itself, John, and this one might prefer ammunition we didn't try.
Hey Ron: I purchased a Browning BAR 30.06 about five or six years ago and had an unusual experience while breaking in the barrel. We thought we had it zeroed at 100 yards, but each time we let the barrel cool down, the first shot was 8”- 9” low. Something we later found out was called “cold bore shot”. I ended up sending the rifle back to Browning and they confirmed the issue but did not say why this was happening. I lost confidence in the BAR and bought something else in 30.06. Any thoughts on this “cold bore shot” issue. Maybe a topic for one of your episodes.
I've had a BAR and a Benelli R1. The BAR was fairly accurate and always ejected. The Benelli was initially as inaccurate as the one here but it took me a while to work on the trigger pull and holding it and working on the load it got much better. Neither one is a precision rifle.
That Browning looks beautiful, it jammed but that could be caused by several things. The benelli worked fine but it looks horrible and was pretty inaccurate.
After watching the bolt actions as well these scopes are very suspect to me.
John M. Browning patented the charging lever. Made early other auto loaders interesting.
BAR, worked with the Winchester ammo, the other may like 180 grain and above Europe tends to run heavier bullets. I think those are hand loading rifles only. What is so crazy is the old Rem. auto loaders were more accurate than the pump and bolt action of the same rifle. Rem. just under loaded the 280 Rem. for smooth operation, but if your breaking paper who cares if you bullets are 100 fps. slower than other rifles?? Great Show Ron.