QIDI X-Plus3 Redemption: They Actually Fixed It!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- QIDI just released the new, updated version of the X-Plus 3 3D printer. Let's test it and see if they fixed the issues we found in the original review.
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Original negative X-Plus3 review (unlisted): • QIDI X-Plus3 3D Printe...
Drain Bamage (Robert's video): • Drain Bamage! - The Shell
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00:00 Intro
01:57 Overview and Features
04:17 So Much Testing
07:15 Drain Bamage
10:43 Destructive testing
16:24 Software and security
18:48 Some nitpicks
21:28 My verdict
It's nice when a company listens, kudos to them for fixing the product!
I disagree. A company that produces a product with obvious problems that any reasonable user testing/quality control would not have allowed isn't 'listening to consumers' - it's taking advantage of them. Not to mention using reviewers as proxy beta testers in exchange for free products. It's also disappointing when some reviewers then excuse this behavior when said company resolves such problems after the fact. If reviewers boycotted companies that create sub-par products and told potential consumers to not buy from the company again, this would send a clear signal to companies to stop this nonsense.
Naw, they shouldn't have been selling them. It's fine if they send preproduction versions to the reviewers if they intend on fixing issues before production. Plenty of companies do that. What shouldn't happen is paying customers being beta testers.
More like shame on them for shipping a defective product in the first place
Before you accept the views of these critics, consider also this item posted by another commenter (@AwpShots1, see below for original post):
"right after you posted your old video, qidi reached out to all of the current buyers and offered 2 options, keep the machine and full refund, or keep the machine and 50% refund with full warranty for free parts. they really did right by their customers."
I've NEVER heard of a company offering either of those options to existing customers when a revised version is in the works! Qidi certainly deserves some serious points for that!
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Somehow I have a feeling the whole hand breaking of the test parts was added for no other reason than to allow him to show off his deadweight lifting strength. 😂😂
I was just about to comment the same thing!
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right after you posted your old video, qidi reached out to all of the current buyers and offered 2 options, keep the machine and full refund, or keep the machine and 50% refund with full warranty for free parts. they really did right by their customers.
orca slicer also has built in profiles for the qidi plus 3, they work great and i’ve been using orca exclusively for the past 2 or so months, it’s awesome it has klipper web interface integration right in the slicer
Oh, awesome! I might switch.
I've NEVER heard of a company offering either of those options to existing customers when a revised version is in the works! Qidi certainly deserves some serious points for that!
@@steveh8724 yup, i really couldnt believe it. i ended up taking them up on that partial refund because it didnt really feel right taking a full refund and keeping the machine when really it does work for everything i need it to do. ive yet to use the heated chamber once, and users with the old model report that if youre using it, after about 40 mins of preheating there are no issues whatsoever. qidi has been great sending over every new part that was added to the newer models as well
@@PrintingPress3D Thanks for letting us all know 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
you making this comment has pushed me too QIDI now sounds like great customer service. ive been tossing up between QIDI and Creality K1 Max. so thank you
I purchased the X-Plus3 in April before the redesign. I contacted QIDI Tech to see what they were willing to do for customers that purchased the initial design. It sounds like they are going to ship me a new printer. I'll keep you posted, but QIDI Tech has impressed me so far with their customer service.
If you can share your experiences with the new one that would be awesome. It is on the top of my list for a potential printer upgrade.
What's the word?
Any updates did they follow through?
youtube makes dialog difficult, many posts go unanswered and burried
Just started watching. Props for fixing the printer. Usually the response from most manufacturers is for the unfortunate purchasers to go pound sand.
Unlisting but not deleting the original video is a classy solution. Kudos!
Amazing review! Good to see we have a company that directly listens to their customers!
Enjoyed that, great review and glad to see that the company made serious strides in rectifying the issues!
Come for the machining, stay for the solid and approachable security advice.
Love your channel and mix of machining, electronics, CAD, etc and the reviews. I'm thinking that at well under £1000 in the UK, I may well go for one of these. And you have to congratulate Qidi on actually pulling the original printer to sort the issues that you highlighted.
As a newbie machinist, it's a great pleasure to see you involved in another of my passions with your usual degree of mental discipline. Keep it up!
Thanks for the upload and update!
I've had the X-Max lines and soon to get the latest and I have a couple X1C's and the small tinkering required is not so bad for me when I get their massive build volumes with pretty good/decent quality for some bigger stuff, but the X1C's are where my business does its production for PLA and some ABS ❤
Nice to see they to your advice. Your thoroughness and willingness to work with them makes a compelling argument for them to listen to your inputs. I'm thinking you're going to need a bigger shop at some point in the near future. I'm really hoping to see something on your Avid CNC soon.
James thank you for your honesty it shows you have great character and the knowledge to judge this printer. Thank You
I am glad you have an opportunity to have a positive effect on the company. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
Thanks for the great update and helpful info!
So awesome that Qidi listened to your feedback, pulled it from market, and implemented necessary changes. Really interested in the xmax3 now.
youre the only reviewer that actually mentioned the fluid console... I was wondering if it was available at launch.... AND checked the base of your model for flatness.... great stuff
Another great review. You were the reason why I hesitated to buy Qidi and you will be the reason why I will buy one. You have a great channel, wish you the best.
I am also so impressed with Qidi because they stopped selling it and went through a major revision of the printers before re release. Usually companies still sell the products and then just release a new updated version while causing quite a bit of frustration for the early adopters.
Thanks, this was one of the best review videos I've seen recently.
James….
Your ‘honesty quotient’ is off the charts 👏👏
Great review.
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Robert
Thank you. I know that reviewing isn't your main thing but since you pull no punches your opinion is very valuable to me. As a result, I am having fun learning about the X1-C in my den.
Very Respectable Review. Thanks for your honest opinions and for the quality of your videos.
The fact that you checked the Github, and told us that it seems like they're complying with the license, just took Qiditech out of my shitlist. I run a 3D Printer repair shop in Florida, and I won't recommend anyone who is violating open source licenses. They've got customers coming from me with this move certainly. I have a few regulars who have been looking for something with an actively heated chamber for a wider range of engineering materials and this looks like it's the printer for them. Thank you for the time spent with the machine, it is crazy appreciated! Do you ever attend any of the RepRap festivals? MRRF, ERRF, being the main two...
Very informative video, thanks ! Especially nice to see different material tests.
Another point to make for that printer is, and possibly most important, that they care about improving their product and are willing to listen to users to make it better. So many companies put out a product and have no intention changing the product until the next iteration or model, and that's if they ever intend on taking the customer feedback seriously in the first place. This was a great video. Thanks🙂
Fantastic review and your channel is going from strength to strength!!! 😎
Outstanding video James! Fantastic 3D printing content. Thank you.
Cool. When you posted your last video I canceled my X Max 3 pre-order. I’ll go ahead and get a new one on order now.
The funny part is I found your non scientific test to be more helpful than a lot of scientific tests I see on other channels (-8
So nice that we can now buy printers of this caliber for these prices!
Great video review James !! Thanks for the share!
A most excellent review. Well thought out. Thank you
Kudos to Qidi for fixing their issues. I’d love to see you try a full tungsten nozzle. It’s just a volcano right? I’m curious to see if you can get better volumetric flow than the steel nozzles.
also glad you mentioned that last comment about the Xcf was curious how you thought they compare.
Good! I ordered one today, thanks for the review.
I was about to order a Voron 2.4R2 kit, but this video has me rethinking... I can't build a Voron for this price in UK, but the spec is comparable and I love the open source software implementations. Qidi really seem to be a company working hard to build a reputation for listening and improving their products quickly. An exchange of messages on Reddit that I had returned numerous replies singing the praises of the company's responsiveness and helpfulness. This is what I personally want to hear. Thanks for the review and insights.
I watched your last review video on this and it was not pretty, there were a lot of issues and what we're they thinking moments with the biggest for me being the non-replaceable carbon fiber guide rods IIRC. But I love that they took your constructive criticism and went back to the drawing board and fix the issues.
It's really great when companies listen to and implement user/tester feedback!! Good on them. I know if I'm ever in the market for a 3d printer they would be one of my first go to's for that very reason.
Great video as always James, thank you for uploading! 👍👍
Edit: spelling
My Xmax 3 arrives tomorrow and I am pumped after seeing this video. Thank you for following up and being so thorough and honest. I really give them credit for listening to their beta testers and making all of these improvements. I really liked the non-scientific strength test of the materials. It is real world when you think about it. No 2 stresses are ever applied exactly the same in the real world. Only in a Lab are such things possible. I was very impressed with the PA12-CF, and will be using that for sure in the future.
How's it holding up?
@@kyky7kyle7 So far so good. Been printing around the clock since Wednesday morning without a single issue or bad print. Their new slicer based on PrusaSlicer is awesome as well. Not a fan of Cura and prefer PrusaSlicer so this is a bonus for me.
Ya sold me! Ordered mine from your link! Thanks for the good word!
I updated my 4 unit print farm at the beginning of the Covid Debacle. I came very close to buying Qidi because of the excellent specifications. I read the FB group for a while and am so glad I didn't get them. Maybe they are better now but I really dodged a bullet back then. Non serviceable heat break, not enough cooling for the heat break. Nah baby nah. Now to listen to your excellent content.
great review, thanks 👍
Just found your channel. Really excellent down to earth stuff.
My cf-x pro has been working pretty good for the last 2years
Dig the transparency
Thx for the update, kudos to the company for listening and adapting, but it is strange they did a bang- bang firmware control for the cabinet heater when it’s quite easy to setup a PID controller for that sort of things.
Great review
Good points
Thanks for sharing your experience with All of us 👍😀
Orca Slicer now has Qidi configurations built in. Works great!
Thanks for the heads up.
I have had my X-Plus 3 for six weeks now, after giving away my older X Plus. I'm now wishing I had kept the older model. Issues with my X-Plus 3 are numerous, reliability and print quality being the top issues. Also, after homing the system and I jog the table to the top, the "ZERO" position is actually about 1.5mm from the nozzle tip. Sometimes, when I jog it to the top, the Z axis will shut off when it's within 10mm, which results in the table drifting to the bottom. Other issues, NO fail-safe sensors to stop a inaccurately homed table from crashing into the nozzle or into the frame at the bottom. To top it off, there is virtually no documentation beyond a very basic quick start guide. Finally, the older X Plus made noticeably better parts.
If all you are going to make are low resolution parts (over .2mm per layer) then you might be okay with this machine. I have YET to make a .16mm layer part that isn't a huge FAIL! And this is from PLA. I'm not even going to try it with ABS or something else. IMO, the firmware on this machine needs work. When selecting parts to make from their thumb drive, the user interface NEVER displays the part on the first try. I have to make multiple tries (as in over 5 tries) before the user interface will display the part.
Update: I HATE this piece of crap! My two year old X Plus was slower but at least it WORKED. I loaded their new firmware (per their suggestion), and it now causes the extruder assy to crash into the finished part, with the last crash resulting in the extruder cover being knocked off. There are only two possibilities, either their firmware is crap or their slicer is crap.
This system is beta at best and should have never been released for sale.
Mine came in yesterday. Setup went very smooth except for Wifi. That took many tries before it worked. Everything else has gone great and the PLA Rapido prints coming off this are amazing using the presets. I have a few more of their filament types but I hadn't tried anything else yet. It's so nice to click start and not wrestle with crap for hours and hours before you get a nice, usable part. Thanks for the follow up review on this. It's too bad they didn't give this one a new name or revision because everyone will confuse it with all the reviews from 3 months ago.
Always happy when combat robots appear in 3d printing! Good review. I've had a great experience with my lower end Qidi, and as my hobby is combat robotics, and not 3d printing itself, I recommend them to others looking to make small bots, as mine just worked out of the box without a lot of fiddling. We are looking to upgrade into stronger materials, and the Qidi is a strong contender, maybe stronger than Bambu, because of the heating for materials that require it.
Thanks for the good review.
I thank you for the first video it was very needed. Many may be hard on you about it, but it was needed. I myself am a QIDI user and am debating if I should go x-max3 or i-fast. BUT any videos you can do on the best way to use PVA would be GREAT!!
Thank you for the destructive testing (no issues with science, but not using gloves is scary)! Steel nozzle with raised temps is exactly what I'm doing on my Bambu Lab printer for PLA, 245°C was the first section where the "pin" in the temp tower doesn't break off easily. I think that's just the worse heat transfer vs. the copper.
thank you so much for creating this video for us, very informative , very good things took place, because of your previous review and this video made a big difference , to me i am purchasing , another x-plus 3 , it seems like the choice to make , for the price , its worth it. thank you for the review.
I have been using Qidi printers in my printer farm for nearly a decade. "It just works" is the reason why, and it is what I expect from Qidi. I have tried a butt ton of other printers over those years and have just never found anything that is as reliable as my Qidi printers, so they have always ended up getting returned. I am glad to see that they are getting into the fast printing game.
I have a qidi imate -s, was considering purchasing 2-4 qidi max 3's, how many printers are in your farm?
Wow how awesome, and great video! I still have my older model of the X plus 3. I have issues with heat creep a lot but maybe the new hotend is a drop-in replacement that can fix that. It definitely has it's fair share of issues/nuances but Qidi gave me a full refund on the printer after seeing the negative feedback. I'm a huge fan of how Qidi handled this printer. They gave refunds, listened to the community, and made a great printer that fixed the issues it seems. Super awesome, especially in 3d printing where I feel like a lot of companies (minus prusa, bambu, qidi) will just release a product and then go radio silent. Overall very cool what's happened
im happy to hear
A really great review looking at the QIDI x-max
Be interesting to see if they fixed the x-max 3 as well.
I been using OrcaSlicer on my newly built Voron V0.2 and I like it.
Great video!! thank you
Have been looking to upgrade from my old Geeetech, and this looks like the ticket...ordered!
Props to all on this.
gotta say im really excited to try mine. gonna be 10 days until it arrives
Previously I was focusing to buy the qidi until i saw your first review. That's when i began to focus on the bambu x1c.
I've not purchased yet, but now I'm excited to see how this review goes 😊 (i just began watching and I'll update my comment here after viewing)
I see you forgot that update 😜
@Clough42 I agree with you on the Qidi PA12 carbon fiber filament. I use it all the time and really like it because it prints really smooth.
Glad your still making content i guess New law un Canada was keepin you off my algorithme
QIDI should be happy with this review.
There's another important point to come from this, the Klipper install, and its accessibility, make this machine useful to Linux users like myself.
In the past, proprietary slicers targeting Windows only, ruled them out for such users. QIDI have created themselves a new market segment and should be recognised for that (notwithstanding open sourcing the firmware and slicer also shows good intentions).
been waiting for a update on these machines been interested in the xmax3 and heard conflicting info but it seems they updated that model too.
Scientific or not this video helped me with an issue I've experienced with printing wood filiment as I bought a .6 hardened steel nozzle for it although I know hardened steel isn't needed for wood I just got it so I could maybe use it for other things anyway my wood prints where very brittle so a after watching this I tried them at a higher temp and now they are much better than before,, thanks👍
Nice review! I'm glad I can deadlift as much as Clough.
Are you 50 years old?
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@@conrad2468 keep it up! Being strong makes everything easier.
Ty Sir, nice video
Thanks so much for posting an update - it's great to see the improvements to the frame and heat creep issues. I am surprised that your ABS prints maxed out a flow rate of 12mm3/s even after you raised the temperature above the ABS profile. Do you recall how high your extruder temp was when you were limited to 12mm3/s? Also was that with a standard 0.4mm nozzle? Qidi claims 35mm3/s with their rapido PLA at 240C, so I would hope to get a lot closer to that with high-temp ABS.
Yeah, this was eSun. Their PLA Rapido goes much faster, but I don't know and 35mm3/s. That sounds like a lot.
Windows Vista did have the best version of Aero
The testing I have seen shows that fiber reinforced fdm prints are not stronger than straight up pla, it mostly helps with stability and warping in higher temp materials. (The lack of fiber connections across layers and the non isotropic strength of the print being the core issues)
Thanks for a good technical review Clough42. As a suggestion for future videos, I've done quick and dirty strength tests between parts by hooking them together so a pair of parts can be loaded and compared in a tournament kind of scheme. Basically a "Last man standing" kind of tournament. Alternatively if parts can be hooked together in a chain you can bust the weakest links one at a time to determine a ranking for each part strength.
It's not really suitable for the bracket type you're busting, but these are expedient means to compare process alternatives without having to deal with strain gauges and more complicated testing setups.
Great move on your part unlisting your previous video since they addressed the former issues. I was concerned about that after your first video, and had already ordered its bigger brother....
I'm using Orca with the X-Max 3, works great. Never even downloaded the Qidi slicer
I would like to see an upgrade kit for the original release version to the working version.
Looking at how the print using the hardend steel nozzle broke apart the layers had not completely fused together suggesting the nozzle didn't actually reach a high enough temperature.
Your work with this printer has been awesome. I have a question: when you printed with the various carbon fiber and glass fiber composite filaments, did you use an 0.4mm hardened nozzle or an 0.6mm hardened nozzle? I noticed that the hardened nozzle that comes with the printer is 0.4mm.
This is the most meaningful user review of the latest QIDI machines for me, because of your trials on different materials. One thing I would like to know is the layer thickness you used on the Drain Bamage parts that worked, especially the reinforced ones. Can you share that please?
I always enjoy your videos and I've learned a ton from you. Why isn't there a link to your Patreon on the description‽ 😁
I'm a little surprised that the heated chamber is a differentiating feature between this printer and the Bambu X1. I'm suddenly really tempted to buy one…
I actually just ordered the Max 3, which seems to be quite simular, but bigger build volume.
As the fimware is Klipper and therefore OpenSource, I wonder if an ERFC could be connected. Setting the z-offset once after a hotend change is something I see no problem with; but no multi material is definitly a downside. Esp. on ABS/ASA/PA12 you mention the overhang are problematic as no partcooling is used. This actually is the reason such a printer should have multi-material capability. If you need very good overhangs with theese materials, using soluble/easy removable supports is a must in my opinion. So it would be realy great adding an ERCF.
I've got 2 Vorons and 2 older non-working 3d printers, so my wife would have a fit if I tried to buy another, but I really enjoy seeing the advances in the latest printers. I have no doubt that if I hadn't built these 2 Vorons, I'd be buying a Bambu or something like this one. They are so much better out of the box than even just a couple years ago.
I super agree with how amazing the improvements have been. I have a 3 year old Sovol SV01 that mostly works for what I want, though I have had to modify it a good bit. I don't know when I'll buy a new printer, but I'm definitely going to go for one of these super fast models. Tinkering is fun but I also want something that "just works"
Yes, the WAF (woman acceptance factor) definitly is the main issue in 3d printing technology which is not solved for now. Only solution at the moment is to wait until it's solved before getting a wife.
But with 2 Vorons (if at least one of them is a 2.4) I do not realy see the need to buy a Bambu or a X Plus. They are mostly ready2use products for what you already have as diy. You can add an ERCF to a Voron for multi-material and of course you also could add an auxilary fan and an active chamber heater.
@@oleurgast730 Yeah, so long as at least one of my 2 printers can print ASA, I really, really don't need a third printer. It's just awesome looking at the advances. And an ERCF is really tempting, but I think I'm going to let that get a little more mature before I jump on it. I'll probably kick myself for waiting for so long once I do. ;)
@@Raytenecks Actually the AMS from bambu has a big advantage to ERCF and MMU2, as it rewinds filament back to the spool. The "filament buffer" for the AMS is very smal, practicly just telling the AMS to deliver or rewind filament. I realy hope someone reverse engeneer the communication protocoll of the AMS and make it possible to use it with klipper instead of an ERCF. Of course, a solution for perfect filament tip is also to be found, as the cutting bambu does, is done in the printhead...
@@oleurgast730 The principle is very simple, they use a tension spring.
Love your channel. Just wondering what your experience has been with this machine now that you have had it for a while now. any major issues or reliability problems? Thinking of getting one but cant see alot of reviews on the long term use for this machine. Love some insights if your willing to share
Good review, very informative. I don't get that in 2023 (when you've recorded this video), a 3D printer with an enclosure does not come with a camera and auto Z offset. That is basic stuff that should even come up before heated chamber and input shaper. Subscribed!
Everything just worked. Pretty much says it all.
Would be nice to see you do a comparison between this, the K1 max and Bambu
It's very pleasing to companies supporting their products like this. I've been on the verge of buying an X1C for the last couple of weeks, but the QIDI is a better fit for my requirements so I will agonise over this a bit more (built in heated chamber and no cloud integration are significant benefits). Spares look quite reasonably priced as well. The PA12 CF looks amazing!
Thermal dynamics. And physics theory applied, I understand why the steel nozzle printed pla stronger at higher temps. PLA needs to be printed at a specific temps for maximum layer adhesion which is what was wrong with the first model at default temps. The tool head temp is measured at the heat block, and brass has more even and efficient heating than steel sooo the steel nozzle doesn't reach the target temp as required. This is why temp towers are the best way to identify the optimal temps for a specific material.
Wish this had some way to not need to set z-offset but aside from that it looks like this has all the features I've been looking for and the company has a willigness to address concerns and fix them which is a huge plus. This also fixes some of the concerns I have about Bambu and Creality between the questionable IP stance and theft of IP issues respectively, as well as open-sourcing pretty much all of their software/firmware. As long as you can turn off SSH which it sounds like you can, I may have to pick this up. How easy is maintenance/part replacement or repair? That may be the final decider, if those are possible but a pain to do, I may wait for another similar printer.
is there a variable infill, where you can select where you expect the breakage to occur? in this case, at the inside corners on the U bracket, you could select a variable fill up to 50% or some other % from the normal base % on the rest of the print. This would be helpful.
thank you for the update. I have been waiting for the reviews of the fixed units to start coming out.
they didn't fix the ugly look tho, those white side panels are a bit off putting....
Yeah, I don't get it either. It also adds unnecessary bulk.
That's how you do a review.👍
Cool video
Would be nice to have links to all the used models.
This echos what I’ve heard from others about their customer service. It sounds like they really will work with you to get your problems fixed
you can print with steel nozzle, just bump up the temp. Sometimes when im lazy I just use the steel nozzle for everything, i just raise the temperature by about 15 to 30 degree.
Could you please compare this to the creality K1 max? I'm inbetween the plus 3 and that and I just cannot decide which would be a better buy for my little home printing business. I'm mainly printing more detailed fun stuff in PLA. But I need on occasion to print out ABS parts and CFNylon.
If you had to choose one, would you go with this of the X1C?
Hey, I really value your channel. As a new viewer, I’m getting a ton out of your content. I know you’re taking some time for your health (bravo), but when you get back, would you consider helping me decide between the X-Max 3, the P1S, or the X1C?