Merely painting a satellite black is not a cure all. All that can happen to a photon striking an opaque object is it can either be reflected or absorbed. That's it. If the starlink satellites are painted 100% perfectly black the photons of light are going to all be absorbed. Well they don't just disappear from the universe. Light is a form of energy and absorbing 1 KW per sq meter of that energy onto the surface of a satellite in perfect vacuum is going to HEAT that satellite A LOT. Hot things radiate light depending on their temperature. A Satellite with a coating heated to 100-200 C is *going to radiate a shitton of infrared light* . The satellites are going to become even brighter in the infrared than they would have been in the visible range. HUGE amounts of astronomical observation are conducted in the infrared. That becomes impossible with a satellite constellation of tens of thousands of satellites in orbit covered with this substance.
@@Muonium1 I also wondered if Vanta Black coating was the perfect solution. Conservation of energy is key to understand that isn't, thanks for your answer 👍
Vanta Black will not work. The more you make something not reflect light, the more light it absorbs, the hotter it gets. In sunlight, these are already 550 degrees. It's hard to lose heat in space. Vanta Black will most likely make these melt.
A few moving stars right after sunset and right before dawn is not going to cause mass whale beachings. We mostly dont understand why whales beach anyway and this starlink thing is being blown so far out of proportion. The ESA was looking for some publicity, they preformed an action with their satellite that is routine and done multiple times a week without notifying anyone.
You aren't overreacting. It really makes me sad sometimes that my kids never got to see the original state of a lot of areas here on earth that have been overdeveloped during my lifetime. Now the night sky is about to undergo the same type of change. Not all change is good, and not all "progress" is worth the price.
There are already companies that do this via 1 big geo-stationary satellite, you don't need a constellation of cheap crappy ones with a 20% failure rate and a 5 year life span, there are also other land based options as well like internet via the mobile phone networks, as a good chunk of the semi developed and developed world has coverage nowadays.
straight up i recently visited the philippines with my family and my dad was telling me how beautiful manila bay was back when he was a kid, there wasnt any trash the bay was way bigger, and most of the places were full of farmland
Found you after seeing craziness in the sky this morning (a string of 30 lights crossing the norther sky, west to east, in south central Kansas) and looking for an explanation of what I saw. It was amazing and I was glad we weren't being invaded or having missiles shot over, but it made me so sad to learn our night skies are becoming more cluttered with these things.
G James electronic waves are way back on the photon spectrum it is so not powerful that it can't harm you. You're terrified of 5g? 5g's frequency is 6 to 26 gigahertz (which is a complicated topic so you can just call it power) and do you know how "powerful" normal seeing light is, yeah its 405-790 TERRAHERTZ which is 81000 or more times power. If you don't sit near your internet modem for a week you won't experience any side effects. And if you do when you stand up you'll die because of blood clots formed in your leg veins caused by sitting for a week and not because the modem. So shut up about your conspiracy theories.
A few weeks ago I was in a semi remote part of South Australia. Having no pre warning of the magnitude of the starlink operation the spectacle of it actually terrified me. It was so alarmingly bright and uniform that I wasn't sure exactly what I was looking at. Thoughts of atomic warfare or alien invasion were not so easy to dismiss when confronted with this awe inspiring event. I counted at least 50 and the night sky was completely split it two by the impressive trail. It's something I'll never forget.
It's a TEMPORARY train before they spread out and raise orbits, which they have to wait for a permission to do so. Why aren't you calling the license givers and urge them to do the paperwork like yesterday and rather complain like an old lady on the internet?
@@strategicthinker8899 Oh God! you're so off base it's hard to imagine what kind of pea brain formulated that response. I wasn't complaining. Your great lesson is wasted as a brief Wikipedia search gives a very comprehensive explanation as to what I was seeing. I was simply sharing my perspective as I saw it at the time. Hard to imagine what the inhabitants of North Sentinel Island might make of it either. Be my guest to introduce your critique of their primitive responses personally. I'm sure that at least they'll show you the appreciation you desurve.
Yeah. Unless you follow spacex like a few nerds, including me, you would have never had a clue. My dad (60 y o) a day once told me it was the second time in two days he spotted this train of lights and couldn't understand. When I showed him the starlink project and the landing of the falcon heavy I could see him react very surprised. I'm actually surprised knowing how nerdy he is, that he never known
@@superandreanintendo Cheers, I've been an outdoorsy kinda guy my whole life. I think I was particularly lucky to see it as clearly as I did. In this video they're spread out further than what I witnessed. I really fought a runnaway imagination at the time as I've never experienced anything like this. The funny thing was that in the process of trying to understand it I asked myself "who might have the resources to do something like that. Elon came to mind. We're living in extraordinary times. I think I'm going to buy a Cybertruck.😁👍
Grant Frith : Yours was EXACTLY the first reaction of a pal of mine who msgd me to say he and his missus had just seen them, bout a week back (Derbyshire).
You know, at first I thought people were making a big deal out of nothing but you brought up some good points. The space x satellites themselves aren't too much of a problem but with other companies trying to add their's to the mix and no regulation to keep things safe and minimize the visibility, it could add up to a big problem.
@@matt309 they don't get their satellites have boosters to destroy by re entry others will have nothing since most of them are 💰 hungry and won't care for environment.
TheVicar Around 70 years ago, Isaac Asimov wrote a short story about an experiment being run on the moon. They were going to eject a giant disk of gas (in a short burst) from the dark side of the moon, and when it came into sunlight, the scientists were going to study the disk as it suddenly became a brilliant reflector of sunlight. They got most of the people on earth to watch (obviously only half with their eyes), because it was going to be a brilliant night-time display, suddenly appearing right next to the moon. What happened was that one of the “cola” giants (Asimov did not say “Coca-Cola” or “Pepsi”) paid off a technician to put a mask of their logo over the outlet of the tube spewing the gas. Without air turbulence, the logo emerged perfectly. While surprising, it didn’t interfere with the science at all. They tracked down the technician, fired him & sent him back to Earth. He didn’t care because he already had his retirement funds, courtesy of the cola company & the greatest advertising stunt in human history. Something like this is almost certain to happen in the future. Not on THIS scale, probably. But there are just too many opportunities. __ Along those lines, there have been about 50 (my SWAG) women who have flown into space. All of them young, healthy, incredibly accomplished, incredibly competitive & very adventurous women. Each one of them has had the opportunity to be 1/2 of “the first humans to ever have sex in space”. I cannot believe that some man & woman has not already plucked that prize. The evidence is sitting in NASA & Roscosmos data bases. You just have to look for about a 20 minute interval when TWO astronauts’ (one man, one woman) heart monitors “failed” at the same time.
LemonD ok kid, thanks for telling us you smoke weed, you don’t see anyone talking about smoking cigarettes in chat, no you idiots are in here talking about weed all the time.
People need to realise though that these satellites are constantly raising their orbits. When they've reached their final positions they will be pretty much invisible.
They will still be awfully disturbing the sky view with the naked eye, the optical observations with long exposure and the sub-millimeter radio observations as well. It’s going to be a disaster. International regulation is urgent and compulsory to stop this insane project.
I've only just seen them for the first time over Nottingham England. October 19, 2024 @ 7:45 pm. Pretty neat. I knew immediately what they were as I'd seen them on TH-cam before. I'd read comments that this man who owns this channel has passed away in the past year. I hope that isn't the case! If true, RIP, and I'm grateful for the interesting content.
I completely share your concerns. I watched them go over a few weeks ago, before I knew anything about them. It was freaky! I’m usually a complete technology fan boy, but the thought of scaring the night sky like this is horrible.
been watching for well over a year now but this was the first video I ever watched of yours. instantly got me into astrophotography cuz then I binged watched all your other astrovlogs and eventually bought myself a DSLR. thanks for the inspiration brother. please keep it up!
If you're into deep sky objects, another great resource is Nebula Photos here on TH-cam. While he's all over the map, doing a lot of gear reviews as well, his tutorials are nice and easy to follow.
I’ve been saying for years that Light pollution is something that needs to be seriously addressed. Somehow we need to have a global conversation about this and have feedback from that filter down to a minimum of state levels to effect a positive change. It’s my #CitizenWish
@007ElSenor Used to be able to see the milky way from my backyard a couple of years ago, but just faintly. I live in a Bortle 4 zone. Nowadays, I see nothing at all. I live between two small cities (in the US those would probably count as towns), with all the sky glow that brings. And now my local municipality is starting to replace those older yellow street lights by new LED monstrosities that give off a TON more light, some of which gets reflected upwards. Not even sure whether my light pollution filter would filter their light out, as it's a different colour: white. If you're curious, I live in Belgium. Which, like most of Europe, is a disaster when it comes to light pollution. Comparable to the US east coast.
Hahaha that was me last night. Only thing is me freakin out lookin at them scared the crap out of my son, nieces and nephews as we walked back to our campsite from the beach in the dark. My wife and my sister were telling me to chill out because how scared the kids were getting. 😂😂😂😂
@@Amused_Comfort_Inc the heliocentric model. It's a lie we live in a geocentric model. It'll literally change your life if you do the research and understand all that. It's like neo in the matrix, he was lost until he found the truth and everything came together.
I saw five one night quite late travelling east across the sky over NZ, and I was just looking up at the heavens as I do and watched them as they disappeared from eye sight, didn't know what they were at first until I watched another astrophotographer explain it. You do amazing work, thank you!!
Hi great video I'm trying to video record starlink train in 4k rather than a time lapse as I wanted it in real time recording. I'm new to cameras and photography. I've got a Nikon Coolpix b700 as it's supposed to be simple for a beginner. Have you any tips on settings to video the night sky rather than use the pre set time lapse night sky setting. When I try video record it's very dark and doesn't capture much thanks in advance
10:15 It's funny that the good Chilean astronomers had their observations 'ruined' by the Starlink satellites. Currently about 100 out of the 5000 satellites out there are 'Starlink' but, of course, it was the Starlinks that ruined those observations.
Yet the starlinks were the only ones bright enough to show up, and are we going to ignore the fact that Musk plans to send up 12,000 starlinks in total? That nearly triples the number of satellites in orbit!
@@nerdzy8454 these were prototypes with no measures taken to reduce reflectivity just like most satellites out there. Futures launch will take that into account and will be less visible then whats out there right now because of the coatings used and their small size
@@diadlo13 The coating isn't even a guarantee. He said he'd said up a single satellite with the coating in the next batch, and if it causes thermal issues, they'll simply scrap the idea. Besides, the solar panels are what cause a large portion of the reflection on most satellites.
huh, so those new multiple dotted lines were not from the new satellites? is that what you are saying about not being "ruined" image? Look, the issue is not going against spacex or elon, i honestly support their work. it's just that they were the first ones who had resources and capabilities being how good they are to put those satellites to space. hence the issue created by this will be blamed on them, but like the video, we are trying to highlight the current issues with satellite restrictions which we didn't even know would have existed.
@@arnabbiswasalsodeep I have no doubt that the multiple dots were satellites. Who do you think I am? A flat Earther? :) However, IF those were the Starlink satellites which currently make up less than 0.5% of all satellites orbiting the Earth, then someone must have sought them specifically so they could be bothered. Now, as far as the future is concerned, 'phase 1' for Starlink deployment involves about 1000 satellites. Still about 20% of all existing satellites in orbit but yes, a substantial increase. Phase 2 should add another 10,000 and it's possible that there may be up to 42,000 satellites, eventually. Add to these the several competing 'constellations' and there might be 'hundreds of thousands' of satellites in low Earth orbit 10-20 years from now. So, yes, sky will look different but it's not clear to me whether there's a way to prevent it because people are going to want/demand their Internet and then there's 'the business world' and the world's militaries...
Those satellites are smaller than airplanes and we have all seen how tiny an airplane looks at seven miles altitude. This proves that these weather balloons and high altitude aircrafts that nasa fan boys call satellites are flying no higher than 10mi in altitude. That’s what you call a slam dunk debunk.
That’s how I used to feel about the dozens of windmills that dotted the skyline in West Texas, until they started numbering in the hundreds, now closer to the thousands.
Yip, precisely so, and exactly how human nature is... Once the novelty has worn off then it'll be a seriously bad "curtain" of hardware we have to live with...
You can only see them until like two hours after the sun set. After that timespan the sattellites will already be in the shadow of the earth and not be visible. They might block out the sight of a star for a split of a second but this will bother us less than a plane flying up in the sky.
@@McPlayHD but that only works like that when you observe with your eyes. The problem comes when you start to take long exposure photos with your camera or telescope.
40000 of them in the sky? I saw 40 go past last night at 21:50, lasted half an hour. It was very strange and I can’t imagine how it would be if there were loads more.
5:20 this morning, driving to work, had never heard of these "satellites" before. Pulled over, turned out my lights and marveled at what I was seeing. Somehow disappointed to find it was just man polluting God's beautiful creation.
One thing that's interesting to me about the astrology argument is in one shot you had 3 airplanes going over. Not once did you complain about the airplanes but you don't like the satellites even tho you say they will be further up and less noticeable.
THE TRUTH elan valley is the best you’ll get really, just keep checking the forecast as I’ve gone many times and it says clear sky’s, then you arrive and it’s a blanket of clouds!
@@xJCole22 I've had the opposite experience! I got family living over there and seen clouds on the forecast so I don't take my equipment only to turn up to clear skies
The junk that’s already there, these new thousands which will go up and the impossible light pollution - in my part of the world, in and around Singapore, I’ve already lost the night sky. I didn’t realize the impact till I moved here and it’s progressively gotten worse. This is a discussion/ debate - constructively ofcourse - we need to have now!
hi Alyn , i’m relaxing, and i’m watching this again. it’s one of your best. i’m not a photographer.....but appreciate what all of you have to go through because of LP. and the Science Community as well.
some points in favour of satellites to remember: systems like this will not be around forever. these satellites will come down eventually. ubiquitous global internet and funding the mars missions both in one is worthwhile for all of humanity. also, astronomy will be done more from space in future anyhow. like others have mentioned, lunar astronomy labs or even many public access satellites in orbit beaming the data back to earth in real-time could become the norm in time with enough progress. if you have the will to think outside the box, this is nothing but a big positive outcome for all of us
the problem is though most of us want to do astrophotography by ourselves and we all love stargazing.... light pollution and all these satellites aren't helping that now, also i don't think i'll live that long to see all those come true and even if i do, i don't want to wait that long, i wish we had found a way to reduce light pollution in urban areas so that people like me can shoot the milky way at least once a week
This is biblical and the system will be set up for the mark of the beast. Judgment day is near. We have all sinned and fallen away from God because of our sins. Ask for forgiveness out loud for life. Believe in Jesus Christ who's real name is Yahua who gave his life for us. Seek God and you will find. Ask for forgiveness and you will be saved.
oh yes, like these satellites wont be invisible to the naked eye today. Try to find the ones first put up there now. Exactly, can't. You can only find the newer ones they launched. So stop bitching and give time. You probably dont want them to go to mars either. Smh you're part of the reason the human race cant go further
Hi there Hope you can help me identify what i may have seen the other night while gazing at the clear night sky. I couldnt record anything at the time but now i wish i could have. What seemed like a star just apeared, it then started moving then disapeared, then it lit up again still moving . It did this on and off 5 times then totally didapeard??? I tryed convincing myself it was a shooting star sort of maybe trying to shoot but failed ??
Alyn, I saw these about a week ago, most of the people present had no idea what these were. I wonder what affect they will have on the already difficult task of tracking incoming asteroids if any. I am a photographer myself and have recently started doing a lot of night sky photography. It is a concern to the purist mindset to think there will be that many in the sky from the standpoint of astronomy and it’s photographic documentation. Also was there any special adjustments made in order for you to capture these on camera or in video? Martin Sutton
I've just got out of the hot tub having seen two string clusters of starlink satellites go over my head for the first time. And so many other single satellites going in ever other direction, it took my breath away. Came on here to check. I recently bought myself an 8" dobs, and have to admit I'm rather peeved at how cluttered the sky is now. 40 years ago, you were lucky to see a shooting star. I dread to think where this will end.
Can anybody say why one of the satellites is traveling on a different path ? i counted 5 all in a distinct line ..I guess they are "in orbit" why wouldn't they ALL be in a straight line? Why is the 6th one on a different path ? Also why is there a need for a blinking light AND what is the power source to keep such a strong strobe light blinking ? THANK YOU for your answers!
@OhHecking Frick with Starlink it will look a lot more like that. Since the total numbers will grow up, space trash will probably follow the same scale.
Thanks Alyn for shedding light on these issues, which are concerning. Definately a good discussion to have, and while there will be lots of benefits from more satellite coverage it needs to be done responsibly and we ought to preserve our dark sky, and more importantly our ability to continue to study the universe from earth. I suspect that not before long this topic will be on the radar of climate activists as well.
They will find Starship development and construction. The price of a launch will fall from 450 million of the Space Shuttle to 3 million, while at the same time putting 150 tons in LEO. This will allow a new age of space exploration and a new age if astronomy, with radio telescopes on the far side of the moon, telescope probes sent to the sun gravitational focus at 550 AU to image exoplanets with resolution of 25 km per pixel. So you want to observe the moons of Jupiter? Do it from the asteroid belt. Or from another Jovian moon
I think your video is spot on and I am going to recommend it to anyone who will listen. I just finished reading the article titled "Satellite Swarms Threaten Astronomy" in the February 2023 issue of Scientific American magazine. As occured to you in your video, it made me sick. I've decided to try and foster a grass roots reaction to this problem. Initially through the any Astronomy Clubs throughout the U.S. I found it a little naive of you to expect large corporations to show any empathy to this problem. When it is a choice between Astronomy or their bottom line, Astronomy loses every time. I understand that we really have very little chance of stopping this, therefore we must focus our energies on seeing to it that they do as little damage as possible. I seriously doubt that we can expect them to do this on their own.
Yes, I'm very glad that you are informed and helping others understand this terrible situation! Light pollution - and the impact...the loss of our night skies is tradgic! Thank you for your active presence in the community about these serious issues! Your heart shows and you glow- thank you for caring! Let us know how to get vocal about it-- how is Earth citizens can say" we care" and "stop feeling that you money entitles you to mess things up!!" , If you have any information regarding this! Thank you!
Personally I'm feeling a bit optimistic that they'll make sure all the satellites don't cause major problems for other people. As the new satelites start going up, they'll address the problems that the previous had. And I agree with the light pollution problem, that one is already a lot more omnipresent and has more immediate consequences, but since it's been going on for so long people started getting used to it. Honestly I really hope solutions can be found without having to completely get rid of satellites or street lights, because both have their benefits.
They wont cause any major problems. Fucking up the pictures of some people is not a problem compared to providing internet to the whole globe. And maybe some people will find a real jobs.
@@sorenkair we don't see the first batch at all anymore I dont think we really see the latest batch a lot too. and theyre actively making the satellites darker and adding coatings and what not. so the next couple launches theyll appear on pictures for a couple days before theyre in their final orbit, and the launches after that you won't notice them at all anymore.
Thing to realize is that the "launch" of an individual StarLink sat takes months... When you see the "train" you are seeing the ones that have not REALLY launched fully yet. This is evidenced in this video very well in that several had already gone by before the poster saw fit to even press the record button. The sats you never see in videos like this are the ones that are parked and spread across the sky during the few minutes they are visible in the fleeting moments of twilight. It takes time for an individual sat to boost to it's final orbit. The "train" is all the sats waiting for their turn. It is HARD to catch these things. You have to be on the right spot on the globe at exactly the right time with NO clouds or haze in order to see them. Learn before you post! All that being said... 2020 will be the year of StarLink sightings since they will be putting them up faster than it takes for them to enter final orbit. It will all be over a few years from now and we will all be looking back on these times wishing we had all went outside at the right time in the right place and looked up to witness history every bit as important as Sputnik!
@@thomaswijgerse723 Ya know there is the possibility that the hobbyists are complaining because their groups are not getting that money used to fund this satellite network.. Just saying.
@@danlargent You are forgetting that we are dealing with a generation of entitled twats too that do not respect historical events, only smart devices and bullshit posts on social media.
Is there a app to track where these are live because They are supposed to going over my house tonight but I’ve still not seen them again,,,I’m in the uk
The first time i seen this i was on a deployment in the Middle East and i no shit thought they might have been missiles 😂, ive never seen so many satellites at once
Thankfully they heard the outcry and are now experimenting with painting them dark so they reflect as little light as possible. A step in the right direction if you ask me; asking to stop progress is just not going to happen, it's not in our nature. At least in my opinion. I personally hope that they piggyback some telescopes into some of their launches and let people reserve time on them, getting images without earth's atmosphere obfuscating the view would be nice.
halting progress is indeed not good, though i personally think using less no of satellites at high altitude would be better, similar to how airplanes and cruiser ships get internet. ofc the tech needed to be used would be completely different but with different standards like nfc, bluetooth, wifi, etc it can be its own different version.
@@tempname8263 pros vs cons of it. And seriously? When not having Internet is the main issue not the latency. Quick response isn't much issue unless you are living in luxury and interested in things like gaming. Take Australia for eg, being so separated means internet prices as well as latency is high compared to rest of world and latency issues would be present always. Providing world with internet means to areas where they don't even know what ethernet or wifi are (speaking from experience, I live in India and in villages people still barely know how to use touch screens. In other countries people can't afford it at all)
@@nateman10 Sure sure xD Where's Will Smith when you need him ha? xD it wouldn't surprise me, theose in power love war and people dying, that's why they're selling weapons to both sides and staging false flag attacks and even Regan and Bush senior spoke about how maybe an alien invasion would bring us closer together. After wikileaks, 9/11 etc. nothing surprises me, but Elon's beyond fishy, and the military giving him 4 billion dollars is never a good sign.
can you explain if ther is already 5000 satellites in the sky.. why didn't they show up in your camera? why does a handful of starlink satellites have so overwhelming representation in comparison to already existing satellites?
It's like the walls are closing in on us more and more every year. If Starlink is going to block up the sky i say FUCK THAT SHIT Scrap it Its not worth it.
If the trend continues as is, there WILL come a point, where earthbound astronomy will no longer be possible. Then, only a select few will be able to study the night skies by using space based observation systems. All in the name of profit.
Tell that to the 3 billion who can’t get Internet because they live in areas that don’t have infrastructure. Internet is more important than a handful of people having a hobby. If you don’t think having Internet isn’t important go a month without it, now imagine going 20 years without it.
Randy Rollings A hobby? The Nobel of physics this year is for astrophysicists studying black holes. People in those countries without internet are more worried on what they are going to eat that day or not having access to a good health care system rather than using the internet
Emiliano Castro ahhh yes, black holes are very important to humans. Internet on the other hand is just to play Angry Birds, not to communicate and research billions of things. Internet is thousands of times more important than ground based astronomy having a perfect view of the universe, even when Starlink is complete, astronomers will still be able to research, yes sometimes there will be interference, but it’s worth it, as I already started above.
@@trust1952 Spoken like a true narrow sighted internet junkie. Do you not realize that majority of those 3 billion people you're referring to, can't even afford a computer? But yes please, do go ahead and celebrate the fact that you'll be able to stream TH-cam from the middle of the Amazon. Because in the scheme of things that is SO VERY IMPORTANT.
Juan Turcios you’re stupid. I’m not selfish, I have internet and make a living off of it. My kids use it for school research and communication. You obviously want to keep the poor, poor. I want everyone on earth to have access to Internet and all the information that comes with it. Selfish prick.
That was most likely an airplane, actually. An airplane with blinking lights will appear as a dot train in your exposure. Starlink would appear as a long streak through the sky, as they are lit at all times while you see them.
Just saw the train tonight in Sedona AZ, it felt terrifying and feels like this will get out of control. The Hopi prophesy tells of when the world will be surrounded by a web.
Alyn Wallace Maybe not desert status but I’ve seen it with little light pollution and it’s pretty But I’ve seen all the stars they’re not going anywhere i don’t think I’ll ever get sick of seeing a line of stars moving across the sky especially knowing it’s bringing us closer to a connected world
it is really and a lot of people contemplating suicide everday since the virus started the world is going crazy. its scare the hell of me gossh what is life?
What’s sad about this? Right now there’s about 2000 sats in space, everyone with a mobile device uses them, we are young I’m sure we will find a way to clean up, and probably increase efficiency, like being able to return the entire rocket to earth, remember we used to walk days from point A to B now kids are driving and don’t even know of the IC engines work.
i dont mind these satellites too much, eventually astronomy and telescopes will be moved into space or the moon so in the long run this isnt a real problem for scientists, maybe for the average amature but whatever, there are bigger issues on this planet then some satellites that will be giving cheaper internet
Starlink is looking at ways to minimize satellite reflectivity using darker surfaces that are pointed towards Earth. One of the last 60 launched has a darker surface to test this out. Starlink does sound like they are working to minimize this problem.
@@pppparanoidddd - Since these face the Earth they will only be visible to the sun for maybe 20% of their orbit and half of that will be at a shallow angle. Adding some extra heat radiators should handle that heat load for a small weight cost.
Yeah, but for us poor Astrophotographers amateurs night skies will remain shitty here on earth.. is it fair? In thousands of years mankind enjoyed the most darkest skies ever, and now in only 60 years we ruined forever our beautiful night sky in the name of money... 🤬🤬
Thank you, Alyn, for making this video, and raising your concerns about Starlink. I had no idea this was going on. As an amateur astronomer living in a significantly light-polluted city, I must also thank you for talking about that. I've been madder than hell for years about light pollution, and how it's so easy to fix, yet the masses seem not to care (though a slow awakening seems to be happening). Yes, the massive amounts of problems affecting the biodiversity on our planet due to lighting up the night sky, is a huge issue. I'm glad other people are talking about it. Heck, there were times, recently, where I started feeling so crazy about the artificial light, that I started wondering if dark skies were even real...only for a little bit, and then I came back to my senses. A slight touch of delirium, perhaps, based on extreme passion. Anyway, you've got a new subscriber. Thanks again.
Nice video. I agree 100% on the light pollution issue. So many cities pay it no mind. I lived in San Jose California for a while and thought it was cool they made considerations for Lick Observatory in their ordinance for city lights. More cities should do that.
Ok. I live in a dark sky rural area. I have a large telescope and do some astrophotography. I also can't get decent internet, and hope to use Starlink. One thing Elon is doing is reducing launch costs drastically, as well as increasing payload capacity. Professional astronomers will benefit in the long term as it enables much better and cheaper space telescopes. Starlink will be paying for this capability. I think the benefits exceed the downside.
Not to mention that half the world’s population does not have access to the internet. Around 3.5 billion people. So for a large portion of the world this will be the first time their kids can get access to a real education, etc. As much as i love astonomy, it is a first world problem to complain about it compared to billions of kids having a decent education. Plus, just purely survival wise, for the first time in history, because of population issues and the side effects of technology, we face truly existential level problems, from food production and climate change, to complete ecosystem collapses, ai, automation, etc that will only be that much harder to solve when a great percentage of humanity are not educated or even aware of the issues. So Elon is doing what has to be done, for survival on a planet with limited resources that has essentially just ran out of time to be able to ignore it. Make the world a smaller place communication wise, in order to all understand the ramifications of feeding 10-12 billion people with less and less ariable land, ocean ecosystems that are collapsing left and right, and possible more as lifespans increase with medical breakthroughs, all which will lead to mass migrations and possible war if people cannot find enough food. So i hate seeing titles of videos like this which only see the issue from frankly a pretty self-centred point of view....we can live with unoptimal nighysky viewing, but it is doubtful we can say the same if climate change has to be reversed and there are 4 billion people who never even heard of it...
@@Arrogan28 You will ALWAYS have those people that fear change and they will make up tall tales and bullshite to justify why this change is bad. Only until those people realize they can make money with this change their tune will change. We saw it in the 90 with the rise of the internet.
The Journey Those same 3.5 billion people don’t have access to clean drinking water either. As a result, six million people per year die from preventable water borne diseases. I think they have more important priorities than better internet connections.
I hear you, BUT it's not just the astronomers, it all of human kind who love the night skies, but to see masses of dots moving all over the place, and we are talking about over an additional 100,000 of them with Bezos and OneWeb, it'll be a terrible mess!!
My wife and I thought we were under attack... I'm glad we found out what it was. I am disheartened and sick to learn this may become a regular thing. How can massive corporations take away one of the FREE GIFTS of our planet; night sky. We moved further out to the country in part to rid ourselves of light pollution. My first Xmas gift to her our first year here was a telescope. Please keep our skies NATURAL and clutter free!
not saying what spacex doing right now is best, but im glad it was spacex who's the first one doing these LEO satellites because we know more about them and their long term goals than other companies, so its easy to communicate with them
There were already THOUSANDS of satellites polluting our view and the skies that don't belong to us! It breaks my heart and causes feelings of anger for the selfish greed that never seems to end.
I was out early in May and they ruined some of my shots in Western Australia, and I didn't know about them but I just hope SpaceX in the words of the Rolling Stones Paint it Black!
The Problem is, that even a few of thousands visible at twilight or in the night, will make it hard to take pictures of objects without having them in there. For amateur astronomers who operate with a 500 - 2500€ telescope, trying to get a clean picture of a planet or galaxy can be destroyed by just one satellite moving through while taking the pictures. Also the reflecting light makes it harder to pick up weaker lightspots in the sky.
Also they are flying with their solar sails parallel to the earth until they gain altitude when they will turn to be way less visible so don't judge them by what they look like now.
I have a bad feeling about those because now people can call off the whole alien theory where if you see something in the night sky they can say it’s Elon Musk
If ET has the tech to traverse the immense galactic time and distance to get here, he/she won't be worried about/afraid of/hiding from, a species that still uses it's fingers to count to ten. 100,000 light years just to cross our galaxy.
Finally, a legitimate use for Vanta Black.
Merely painting a satellite black is not a cure all. All that can happen to a photon striking an opaque object is it can either be reflected or absorbed. That's it. If the starlink satellites are painted 100% perfectly black the photons of light are going to all be absorbed. Well they don't just disappear from the universe. Light is a form of energy and absorbing 1 KW per sq meter of that energy onto the surface of a satellite in perfect vacuum is going to HEAT that satellite A LOT. Hot things radiate light depending on their temperature. A Satellite with a coating heated to 100-200 C is *going to radiate a shitton of infrared light* . The satellites are going to become even brighter in the infrared than they would have been in the visible range. HUGE amounts of astronomical observation are conducted in the infrared. That becomes impossible with a satellite constellation of tens of thousands of satellites in orbit covered with this substance.
@@Muonium1 I also wondered if Vanta Black coating was the perfect solution. Conservation of energy is key to understand that isn't, thanks for your answer 👍
@@Muonium1 Do you think we could convert that energy into motion before it generates enough heat to get in the way?
@@Muonium1 maybe convert it to electricity and then if it is still too much electricity, shoot a laser beam with the excess
Vanta Black will not work. The more you make something not reflect light, the more light it absorbs, the hotter it gets. In sunlight, these are already 550 degrees. It's hard to lose heat in space. Vanta Black will most likely make these melt.
Land light pollution is a major problem but recently I have realised that sea light pollution is going to be a massive issue before long too,
Gareth Mon Jones not to mention sound pollution. Whales beaching n all. Ehhh. Too much.
Not sure i know anything about this. Is this just due to shipping?
A few moving stars right after sunset and right before dawn is not going to cause mass whale beachings. We mostly dont understand why whales beach anyway and this starlink thing is being blown so far out of proportion. The ESA was looking for some publicity, they preformed an action with their satellite that is routine and done multiple times a week without notifying anyone.
Just put the telescope on the moon. Relay the images from moon satellites to Starlink.
Gareth Mon Jones
Sorry for my ignorance here but how is Sea light pollution a bigger issue then Land light pollution?
You aren't overreacting. It really makes me sad sometimes that my kids never got to see the original state of a lot of areas here on earth that have been overdeveloped during my lifetime. Now the night sky is about to undergo the same type of change. Not all change is good, and not all "progress" is worth the price.
I agree.
But starlink will be able to give people in remote areas internet access
There are already companies that do this via 1 big geo-stationary satellite, you don't need a constellation of cheap crappy ones with a 20% failure rate and a 5 year life span, there are also other land based options as well like internet via the mobile phone networks, as a good chunk of the semi developed and developed world has coverage nowadays.
We DO NOT need cell internet coverage in every corner in the globe making billions for MORE BILLIONAIRES.
straight up i recently visited the philippines with my family and my dad was telling me how beautiful manila bay was back when he was a kid, there wasnt any trash the bay was way bigger, and most of the places were full of farmland
Found you after seeing craziness in the sky this morning (a string of 30 lights crossing the norther sky, west to east, in south central Kansas) and looking for an explanation of what I saw. It was amazing and I was glad we weren't being invaded or having missiles shot over, but it made me so sad to learn our night skies are becoming more cluttered with these things.
I read online that they plan to launch over 40,000 of these in the coming years. They’ve only started. The sky will never be the same.
lol he said it
@@lad458 Yes, he did mention...lol. I commented before the watching the entire video. There has been lots of articles online about this lately.
Why? I don’t get it?
it's so sad if they pollute the sky - just them yesterday, which was cool tho
They have launched many of those by now, and the sky still looks the same
I just saw them over Poland today, amazing view... my dad was screaming that aliens are coming
Am from poland but i live in london when i go to poalnd i love far from citys and the view is amazing
@@user-op1tq9ur3t ur acc wired its not ionizing radioation get of youtube man ur too funny
G James electronic waves are way back on the photon spectrum it is so not powerful that it can't harm you. You're terrified of 5g? 5g's frequency is 6 to 26 gigahertz (which is a complicated topic so you can just call it power) and do you know how "powerful" normal seeing light is, yeah its 405-790 TERRAHERTZ which is 81000 or more times power. If you don't sit near your internet modem for a week you won't experience any side effects. And if you do when you stand up you'll die because of blood clots formed in your leg veins caused by sitting for a week and not because the modem. So shut up about your conspiracy theories.
@@user-op1tq9ur3t *KAREN*
@@user-op1tq9ur3t Haha funny.
A few weeks ago I was in a semi remote part of South Australia. Having no pre warning of the magnitude of the starlink operation the spectacle of it actually terrified me.
It was so alarmingly bright and uniform that I wasn't sure exactly what I was looking at. Thoughts of atomic warfare or alien invasion were not so easy to dismiss when confronted with this awe inspiring event. I counted at least 50 and the night sky was completely split it two by the impressive trail.
It's something I'll never forget.
It's a TEMPORARY train before they spread out and raise orbits, which they have to wait for a permission to do so. Why aren't you calling the license givers and urge them to do the paperwork like yesterday and rather complain like an old lady on the internet?
@@strategicthinker8899 Oh God! you're so off base it's hard to imagine what kind of pea brain formulated that response. I wasn't complaining. Your great lesson is wasted as a brief Wikipedia search gives a very comprehensive explanation as to what I was seeing. I was simply sharing my perspective as I saw it at the time. Hard to imagine what the inhabitants of North Sentinel Island might make of it either. Be my guest to introduce your critique of their primitive responses personally. I'm sure that at least they'll show you the appreciation you desurve.
Yeah. Unless you follow spacex like a few nerds, including me, you would have never had a clue.
My dad (60 y o) a day once told me it was the second time in two days he spotted this train of lights and couldn't understand.
When I showed him the starlink project and the landing of the falcon heavy I could see him react very surprised.
I'm actually surprised knowing how nerdy he is, that he never known
@@superandreanintendo Cheers, I've been an outdoorsy kinda guy my whole life. I think I was particularly lucky to see it as clearly as I did. In this video they're spread out further than what I witnessed. I really fought a runnaway imagination at the time as I've never experienced anything like this.
The funny thing was that in the process of trying to understand it I asked myself "who might have the resources to do something like that. Elon came to mind.
We're living in extraordinary times. I think I'm going to buy a Cybertruck.😁👍
Grant Frith : Yours was EXACTLY the first reaction of a pal of mine who msgd me to say he and his missus had just seen them, bout a week back (Derbyshire).
OK, thats got to be the most creative intro ever! I like your style.
Indeed, I think this one is the best intro on TH-cam at the moment.
You know, at first I thought people were making a big deal out of nothing but you brought up some good points. The space x satellites themselves aren't too much of a problem but with other companies trying to add their's to the mix and no regulation to keep things safe and minimize the visibility, it could add up to a big problem.
exactly, spacex isnt harming anyone but the ones who just want to jump in dont really care about the rest of us
So spacex gets a free pass and everyone else doesent?
@@matt309 99% percent of people dont give a damn fuck about the controversy on spaceX, all of us just want broadband
@@matt309 they don't get their satellites have boosters to destroy by re entry others will have nothing since most of them are 💰 hungry and won't care for environment.
@@masochistboy653 I'm pretty sure every satellite can de orbit
Rest in peace. Be one of the bright stars in the beautiful night sky.
Just wait until there's a big McDonald's advert on the moon...
rAiD sHaDoW lEgEnDs.....m
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Not McDonald's. It'll be Canon or Tesla.
@@gpdude22 - It was a joke.
TheVicar Around 70 years ago, Isaac Asimov wrote a short story about an experiment being run on the moon. They were going to eject a giant disk of gas (in a short burst) from the dark side of the moon, and when it came into sunlight, the scientists were going to study the disk as it suddenly became a brilliant reflector of sunlight. They got most of the people on earth to watch (obviously only half with their eyes), because it was going to be a brilliant night-time display, suddenly appearing right next to the moon.
What happened was that one of the “cola” giants (Asimov did not say “Coca-Cola” or “Pepsi”) paid off a technician to put a mask of their logo over the outlet of the tube spewing the gas.
Without air turbulence, the logo emerged perfectly.
While surprising, it didn’t interfere with the science at all.
They tracked down the technician, fired him & sent him back to Earth.
He didn’t care because he already had his retirement funds, courtesy of the cola company & the greatest advertising stunt in human history.
Something like this is almost certain to happen in the future.
Not on THIS scale, probably.
But there are just too many opportunities.
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Along those lines, there have been about 50 (my SWAG) women who have flown into space.
All of them young, healthy, incredibly accomplished, incredibly competitive & very adventurous women.
Each one of them has had the opportunity to be 1/2 of “the first humans to ever have sex in space”.
I cannot believe that some man & woman has not already plucked that prize.
The evidence is sitting in NASA & Roscosmos data bases.
You just have to look for about a 20 minute interval when TWO astronauts’ (one man, one woman) heart monitors “failed” at the same time.
No wonder my horoscope has gone all wonky!
that's funny
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😂🤣😂
Lmao please tell me you are joking
TacShooter try, Coronavirus
i went out smoking some weed and saw this i thought was tripping balls it was insane
LemonD ok kid, thanks for telling us you smoke weed, you don’t see anyone talking about smoking cigarettes in chat, no you idiots are in here talking about weed all the time.
Hahah dude I had exactly the same thing
The Face lowkey tough its about to end😂😂
same... just a moment ago hah also my dad thought that those are alien ships LuL
@@polandspaceprogram3521 i thought the same thing haha
"It's okay. You can take your astronomy and astrophotography at Mars" -Mlon Eusk
😂😂😂😂😂
SpaceX is also making Skylink on Mars 😭
Elongated muskrat
@@aidenmaves5537 😂😂😂😂😂 and now this Elongated Muskrat has his girlfriend Amber Rose (Rose has become Amber) with him 😄
@@sarahphyllis5782 You mean Heard ? Anyway he's with Grimes, equally as dense, with whom I think he has a child, whom I feel sorry for.
When you hear blackbirds singing at 2am due to light pollution you get a sense of the scale of the problem for wildlife.
THIS... thanks mate for getting the topic out there. My job would be doomed if this is going to continue without coating...
People need to realise though that these satellites are constantly raising their orbits. When they've reached their final positions they will be pretty much invisible.
THANK YOU!
They will still be awfully disturbing the sky view with the naked eye, the optical observations with long exposure and the sub-millimeter radio observations as well. It’s going to be a disaster. International regulation is urgent and compulsory to stop this insane project.
And future starlink satellites supposedly have some cool mitigation technology.
Also they're gonna reorient their solar panels so you won't see them
@@corrick4339 Correct. They start with a low drag configuration until they get into a higher orbit.
I saw hundreds overhead near Tulsa Oklahoma approximately 43 minutes ago.
Ontario canada at 11:15pm
Saw them last night around 10pm in Malibu California
I've only just seen them for the first time over Nottingham England. October 19, 2024 @ 7:45 pm. Pretty neat. I knew immediately what they were as I'd seen them on TH-cam before. I'd read comments that this man who owns this channel has passed away in the past year. I hope that isn't the case!
If true, RIP, and I'm grateful for the interesting content.
Subscribed as soon as the intro rolled 🤩🤩 It's amazing 💯🔥
Totally agree with everything you said Alyn.. I’m 50 and remember the sky as a child..
I’ve seen these from India but couldn’t find out what they were and now I know 🤙🏻
Enormous number of scientists th-cam.com/video/Tly5hVvvTC0/w-d-xo.html
Britains second empire t.co/RRaALsB1N2
I completely share your concerns. I watched them go over a few weeks ago, before I knew anything about them. It was freaky! I’m usually a complete technology fan boy, but the thought of scaring the night sky like this is horrible.
been watching for well over a year now but this was the first video I ever watched of yours. instantly got me into astrophotography cuz then I binged watched all your other astrovlogs and eventually bought myself a DSLR. thanks for the inspiration brother. please keep it up!
If you're into deep sky objects, another great resource is Nebula Photos here on TH-cam. While he's all over the map, doing a lot of gear reviews as well, his tutorials are nice and easy to follow.
@@EvenTheDogAgrees love Nicos videos. I’ve been watching him as well for a bit now
Which app are you using btw
I think I just saw them outside Sacramento & thought I was going crazy. It was 4:29AM when a train of around 30 bright lights went by west to east
Just saw them over Sacramento last night around 9:00 to 9:30. Disgusting.
I’ve been saying for years that Light pollution is something that needs to be seriously addressed. Somehow we need to have a global conversation about this and have feedback from that filter down to a minimum of state levels to effect a positive change. It’s my #CitizenWish
@007ElSenor Used to be able to see the milky way from my backyard a couple of years ago, but just faintly. I live in a Bortle 4 zone. Nowadays, I see nothing at all. I live between two small cities (in the US those would probably count as towns), with all the sky glow that brings. And now my local municipality is starting to replace those older yellow street lights by new LED monstrosities that give off a TON more light, some of which gets reflected upwards. Not even sure whether my light pollution filter would filter their light out, as it's a different colour: white.
If you're curious, I live in Belgium. Which, like most of Europe, is a disaster when it comes to light pollution. Comparable to the US east coast.
The first Starlink trail I've ever seen was when I was high as fuck, so I was losing my mind at the sight of it.
Hahaha that was me last night. Only thing is me freakin out lookin at them scared the crap out of my son, nieces and nephews as we walked back to our campsite from the beach in the dark. My wife and my sister were telling me to chill out because how scared the kids were getting. 😂😂😂😂
That was me a few hours ago!
High as a mf having one of those “meaning of life” discussions with my mate and this train slowly appeared in the sky.
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This comment makes since on this dumb channel you guys are all just high believing everything you're told.
@@YHWH711 What are we believing that you take issue with?
@@Amused_Comfort_Inc the heliocentric model. It's a lie we live in a geocentric model. It'll literally change your life if you do the research and understand all that. It's like neo in the matrix, he was lost until he found the truth and everything came together.
miss this dude
I saw five one night quite late travelling east across the sky over NZ, and I was just looking up at the heavens as I do and watched them as they disappeared from eye sight, didn't know what they were at first until I watched another astrophotographer explain it. You do amazing work, thank you!!
Welcome to Skynet!
Exactly.....
Ah, I remember "Skynet" in the movie Terminator.
@@sunandsoul24 mad times
lets find sarah conner lol
Flat earther : earth is flat
Elon : here's starlink, checkmate
Flat earther : *surprised pickachu face*
Mc Chadwick Comeros this is not funny
You weren't over the top at all. You did a fantastic job at catching them on camera. Great video dude.
Imagine what it will be like when aircraft are invented. Flying everywhere randomly... ruining star gazing.
Hi great video
I'm trying to video record starlink train in 4k rather than a time lapse as I wanted it in real time recording. I'm new to cameras and photography. I've got a Nikon Coolpix b700 as it's supposed to be simple for a beginner. Have you any tips on settings to video the night sky rather than use the pre set time lapse night sky setting.
When I try video record it's very dark and doesn't capture much thanks in advance
10:15 It's funny that the good Chilean astronomers had their observations 'ruined' by the Starlink satellites. Currently about 100 out of the 5000 satellites out there are 'Starlink' but, of course, it was the Starlinks that ruined those observations.
Yet the starlinks were the only ones bright enough to show up, and are we going to ignore the fact that Musk plans to send up 12,000 starlinks in total? That nearly triples the number of satellites in orbit!
@@nerdzy8454 these were prototypes with no measures taken to reduce reflectivity just like most satellites out there. Futures launch will take that into account and will be less visible then whats out there right now because of the coatings used and their small size
@@diadlo13 The coating isn't even a guarantee. He said he'd said up a single satellite with the coating in the next batch, and if it causes thermal issues, they'll simply scrap the idea. Besides, the solar panels are what cause a large portion of the reflection on most satellites.
huh, so those new multiple dotted lines were not from the new satellites? is that what you are saying about not being "ruined" image?
Look, the issue is not going against spacex or elon, i honestly support their work. it's just that they were the first ones who had resources and capabilities being how good they are to put those satellites to space. hence the issue created by this will be blamed on them, but like the video, we are trying to highlight the current issues with satellite restrictions which we didn't even know would have existed.
@@arnabbiswasalsodeep I have no doubt that the multiple dots were satellites. Who do you think I am? A flat Earther? :)
However, IF those were the Starlink satellites which currently make up less than 0.5% of all satellites orbiting the Earth, then someone must have sought them specifically so they could be bothered.
Now, as far as the future is concerned, 'phase 1' for Starlink deployment involves about 1000 satellites. Still about 20% of all existing satellites in orbit but yes, a substantial increase. Phase 2 should add another 10,000 and it's possible that there may be up to 42,000 satellites, eventually. Add to these the several competing 'constellations' and there might be 'hundreds of thousands' of satellites in low Earth orbit 10-20 years from now. So, yes, sky will look different but it's not clear to me whether there's a way to prevent it because people are going to want/demand their Internet and then there's 'the business world' and the world's militaries...
Those satellites are smaller than airplanes and we have all seen how tiny an airplane looks at seven miles altitude. This proves that these weather balloons and high altitude aircrafts that nasa fan boys call satellites are flying no higher than 10mi in altitude. That’s what you call a slam dunk debunk.
I think it would be pretty cool to see them the first few times but after that it would get quite annoying.
That’s how I used to feel about the dozens of windmills that dotted the skyline in West Texas, until they started numbering in the hundreds, now closer to the thousands.
Yip, precisely so, and exactly how human nature is... Once the novelty has worn off then it'll be a seriously bad "curtain" of hardware we have to live with...
You can only see them until like two hours after the sun set. After that timespan the sattellites will already be in the shadow of the earth and not be visible. They might block out the sight of a star for a split of a second but this will bother us less than a plane flying up in the sky.
@@McPlayHD but that only works like that when you observe with your eyes. The problem comes when you start to take long exposure photos with your camera or telescope.
40000 of them in the sky? I saw 40 go past last night at 21:50, lasted half an hour. It was very strange and I can’t imagine how it would be if there were loads more.
7:14 what site / program is that?
Stuffin.space
The fact that the people smart enough to make these and get them up there didn't think of this (didn't care?) absolutely blows my mind.
5:20 this morning, driving to work, had never heard of these "satellites" before. Pulled over, turned out my lights and marveled at what I was seeing. Somehow disappointed to find it was just man polluting God's beautiful creation.
One thing that's interesting to me about the astrology argument is in one shot you had 3 airplanes going over. Not once did you complain about the airplanes but you don't like the satellites even tho you say they will be further up and less noticeable.
EM why not?
Planes dont cover the entire night sky
@@matt309 this doesn't either
@@eclipse369. Starlink doesn’t run on 5G lmao
@@eclipse369. you know nothing about technology. We're talking about internet, not phone service
I've been wanting to go to wales for a while now just to look at the sky it's amazing around there on a clear night any recommendations?
THE TRUTH elan valley is the best you’ll get really, just keep checking the forecast as I’ve gone many times and it says clear sky’s, then you arrive and it’s a blanket of clouds!
@@xJCole22 I've had the opposite experience! I got family living over there and seen clouds on the forecast so I don't take my equipment only to turn up to clear skies
The junk that’s already there, these new thousands which will go up and the impossible light pollution - in my part of the world, in and around Singapore, I’ve already lost the night sky. I didn’t realize the impact till I moved here and it’s progressively gotten worse. This is a discussion/ debate - constructively ofcourse - we need to have now!
What is the App at 3:08? That seems useful, I'm trying to track the train.
hi Alyn , i’m relaxing, and i’m watching this again. it’s one of your best. i’m not a photographer.....but appreciate what all of you have to go through because of LP.
and the Science Community as well.
some points in favour of satellites to remember: systems like this will not be around forever. these satellites will come down eventually. ubiquitous global internet and funding the mars missions both in one is worthwhile for all of humanity. also, astronomy will be done more from space in future anyhow. like others have mentioned, lunar astronomy labs or even many public access satellites in orbit beaming the data back to earth in real-time could become the norm in time with enough progress. if you have the will to think outside the box, this is nothing but a big positive outcome for all of us
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What the hell. You are in all comment sections of videos I watch. We need more Half-Life 2 trick videos!
the problem is though most of us want to do astrophotography by ourselves and we all love stargazing.... light pollution and all these satellites aren't helping that now, also i don't think i'll live that long to see all those come true and even if i do, i don't want to wait that long, i wish we had found a way to reduce light pollution in urban areas so that people like me can shoot the milky way at least once a week
progress is a myth. Starlink is a prison.
On the other hand, it completely ruins the night sky and gives ever more power to giant corporations over our lives.
The majority are asleep, anyone remember "Skynet?"
The Last Stand isn’t sky net monitoring china’s social credit score? Google it
Musgaros yup clocked that a while back... shit getting crazy real quickly
This is biblical and the system will be set up for the mark of the beast. Judgment day is near. We have all sinned and fallen away from God because of our sins. Ask for forgiveness out loud for life. Believe in Jesus Christ who's real name is Yahua who gave his life for us. Seek God and you will find. Ask for forgiveness and you will be saved.
@@ambassadorofjesuschrist351 lol yeah the same text your enemy provided, history not story.
Was brought on line last night 9-6-21 by Amazon.
Were we the Residents of Earth asked if it was ok to visually polute our skies?????..... NO!
Nobody requires your permission Karen. Allow innovation, ffs. Who cares if there are hundreds of thousands of satelights?
Private sucks to suck.
Private One word. Capitalism!!
oh yes, like these satellites wont be invisible to the naked eye today. Try to find the ones first put up there now. Exactly, can't. You can only find the newer ones they launched. So stop bitching and give time. You probably dont want them to go to mars either. Smh you're part of the reason the human race cant go further
What kind of video camera that recorded this video?
Hi there
Hope you can help me identify what i may have seen the other night while gazing at the clear night sky.
I couldnt record anything at the time but now i wish i could have.
What seemed like a star just apeared, it then started moving then disapeared, then it lit up again still moving . It did this on and off 5 times then totally didapeard??? I tryed convincing myself it was a shooting star sort of maybe trying to shoot but failed ??
Alyn,
I saw these about a week ago, most of the people present had no idea what these were. I wonder what affect they will have on the already difficult task of tracking incoming asteroids if any.
I am a photographer myself and have recently started doing a lot of night sky photography. It is a concern to the purist mindset to think there will be that many in the sky from the standpoint of astronomy and it’s photographic documentation. Also was there any special adjustments made in order for you to capture these on camera or in video?
Martin Sutton
Having these is a way better solution than digging things down under the ground.
Did you get that from Space Jesus’ Twitter feed?
@@thethirdman225 Do you have no arguments? You keep repeating the same thing, like a robot.
I had the same "I feel sick" reaction when seeing them as well
I've just got out of the hot tub having seen two string clusters of starlink satellites go over my head for the first time. And so many other single satellites going in ever other direction, it took my breath away. Came on here to check. I recently bought myself an 8" dobs, and have to admit I'm rather peeved at how cluttered the sky is now. 40 years ago, you were lucky to see a shooting star. I dread to think where this will end.
Can anybody say why one of the satellites is traveling on a different path ?
i counted 5 all in a distinct line ..I guess they are "in orbit" why wouldn't they ALL be in a straight line? Why is the 6th one on a different path ? Also why is there a need for a blinking light AND what is the power source to keep such a strong strobe light blinking ? THANK YOU for your answers!
The opening of the Pixar movie Wall-E when you see the Thousands of satellites orbiting Earth , that's the future.
@OhHecking Frick with Starlink it will look a lot more like that. Since the total numbers will grow up, space trash will probably follow the same scale.
Thanks Alyn for shedding light on these issues, which are concerning. Definately a good discussion to have, and while there will be lots of benefits from more satellite coverage it needs to be done responsibly and we ought to preserve our dark sky, and more importantly our ability to continue to study the universe from earth. I suspect that not before long this topic will be on the radar of climate activists as well.
They will find Starship development and construction. The price of a launch will fall from 450 million of the Space Shuttle to 3 million, while at the same time putting 150 tons in LEO.
This will allow a new age of space exploration and a new age if astronomy, with radio telescopes on the far side of the moon, telescope probes sent to the sun gravitational focus at 550 AU to image exoplanets with resolution of 25 km per pixel.
So you want to observe the moons of Jupiter? Do it from the asteroid belt. Or from another Jovian moon
Finally some good ducking food.
I think your video is spot on and I am going to recommend it to anyone who will listen. I just finished reading the article titled "Satellite Swarms Threaten Astronomy" in the February 2023 issue of Scientific American magazine. As occured to you in your video, it made me sick. I've decided to try and foster a grass roots reaction to this problem. Initially through the any Astronomy Clubs throughout the U.S. I found it a little naive of you to expect large corporations to show any empathy to this problem. When it is a choice between Astronomy or their bottom line, Astronomy loses every time. I understand that we really have very little chance of stopping this, therefore we must focus our energies on seeing to it that they do as little damage as possible. I seriously doubt that we can expect them to do this on their own.
Yes, I'm very glad that you are informed and helping others understand this terrible situation! Light pollution - and the impact...the loss of our night skies is tradgic! Thank you for your active presence in the community about these serious issues! Your heart shows and you glow- thank you for caring! Let us know how to get vocal about it-- how is Earth citizens can say" we care" and "stop feeling that you money entitles you to mess things up!!" , If you have any information regarding this! Thank you!
Wednesday, June 17th 4:20 a.m. Auburn, California.
I just saw these above me!
Personally I'm feeling a bit optimistic that they'll make sure all the satellites don't cause major problems for other people. As the new satelites start going up, they'll address the problems that the previous had.
And I agree with the light pollution problem, that one is already a lot more omnipresent and has more immediate consequences, but since it's been going on for so long people started getting used to it.
Honestly I really hope solutions can be found without having to completely get rid of satellites or street lights, because both have their benefits.
They wont cause any major problems. Fucking up the pictures of some people is not a problem compared to providing internet to the whole globe. And maybe some people will find a real jobs.
most are invisible to the naked eye now. Only the new ones being launched are the ones you see.
Great topic, very well covered Alyn. There is a serious debate to be had.
cause there's no regulation for it
@@sorenkair we don't see the first batch at all anymore
I dont think we really see the latest batch a lot too. and theyre actively making the satellites darker and adding coatings and what not. so the next couple launches theyll appear on pictures for a couple days before theyre in their final orbit, and the launches after that you won't notice them at all anymore.
Thing to realize is that the "launch" of an individual StarLink sat takes months... When you see the "train" you are seeing the ones that have not REALLY launched fully yet. This is evidenced in this video very well in that several had already gone by before the poster saw fit to even press the record button. The sats you never see in videos like this are the ones that are parked and spread across the sky during the few minutes they are visible in the fleeting moments of twilight. It takes time for an individual sat to boost to it's final orbit. The "train" is all the sats waiting for their turn.
It is HARD to catch these things. You have to be on the right spot on the globe at exactly the right time with NO clouds or haze in order to see them.
Learn before you post!
All that being said... 2020 will be the year of StarLink sightings since they will be putting them up faster than it takes for them to enter final orbit. It will all be over a few years from now and we will all be looking back on these times wishing we had all went outside at the right time in the right place and looked up to witness history every bit as important as Sputnik!
@@thomaswijgerse723 Ya know there is the possibility that the hobbyists are complaining because their groups are not getting that money used to fund this satellite network.. Just saying.
@@danlargent You are forgetting that we are dealing with a generation of entitled twats too that do not respect historical events, only smart devices and bullshit posts on social media.
Child asks: Grandfather, tell us again what the night sky looked like before Sputnik and greedy industrialists.
Is there a app to track where these are live because They are supposed to going over my house tonight but I’ve still not seen them again,,,I’m in the uk
The first time i seen this i was on a deployment in the Middle East and i no shit thought they might have been missiles 😂, ive never seen so many satellites at once
Thankfully they heard the outcry and are now experimenting with painting them dark so they reflect as little light as possible. A step in the right direction if you ask me; asking to stop progress is just not going to happen, it's not in our nature. At least in my opinion. I personally hope that they piggyback some telescopes into some of their launches and let people reserve time on them, getting images without earth's atmosphere obfuscating the view would be nice.
halting progress is indeed not good, though i personally think using less no of satellites at high altitude would be better, similar to how airplanes and cruiser ships get internet. ofc the tech needed to be used would be completely different but with different standards like nfc, bluetooth, wifi, etc it can be its own different version.
@@arnabbiswasalsodeep High altitude = high latency.
I saw and counted 34 of those things a week ago i was wondering what it is.
@@tempname8263 pros vs cons of it.
And seriously? When not having Internet is the main issue not the latency. Quick response isn't much issue unless you are living in luxury and interested in things like gaming.
Take Australia for eg, being so separated means internet prices as well as latency is high compared to rest of world and latency issues would be present always.
Providing world with internet means to areas where they don't even know what ethernet or wifi are (speaking from experience, I live in India and in villages people still barely know how to use touch screens. In other countries people can't afford it at all)
@@nateman10 Sure sure xD Where's Will Smith when you need him ha? xD
it wouldn't surprise me, theose in power love war and people dying, that's why they're selling weapons to both sides and staging false flag attacks and even Regan and Bush senior spoke about how maybe an alien invasion would bring us closer together. After wikileaks, 9/11 etc. nothing surprises me, but Elon's beyond fishy, and the military giving him 4 billion dollars is never a good sign.
Already had photos ruined this winter in Australia, I was devastated and thought "oh well thats astrophotography over with for good.
can you explain if ther is already 5000 satellites in the sky.. why didn't they show up in your camera? why does a handful of starlink satellites have so overwhelming representation in comparison to already existing satellites?
Size and reflection labido of the satellites and also orbital height. Starlinks are low earth orbit and shiny af
@@AlynWallace got it, thanks
@@timohaikarainen3957 maybe most of these satellites are in stealth mode
How is this possible if the earth is flat? Ok I'm calling the police
It's like the walls are closing in on us more and more every year.
If Starlink is going to block up the sky i say FUCK THAT SHIT
Scrap it
Its not worth it.
If the trend continues as is, there WILL come a point, where earthbound astronomy will no longer be possible. Then, only a select few will be able to study the night skies by using space based observation systems. All in the name of profit.
Tell that to the 3 billion who can’t get Internet because they live in areas that don’t have infrastructure. Internet is more important than a handful of people having a hobby. If you don’t think having Internet isn’t important go a month without it, now imagine going 20 years without it.
Randy Rollings A hobby? The Nobel of physics this year is for astrophysicists studying black holes. People in those countries without internet are more worried on what they are going to eat that day or not having access to a good health care system rather than using the internet
Emiliano Castro ahhh yes, black holes are very important to humans. Internet on the other hand is just to play Angry Birds, not to communicate and research billions of things. Internet is thousands of times more important than ground based astronomy having a perfect view of the universe, even when Starlink is complete, astronomers will still be able to research, yes sometimes there will be interference, but it’s worth it, as I already started above.
@@trust1952 Spoken like a true narrow sighted internet junkie. Do you not realize that majority of those 3 billion people you're referring to, can't even afford a computer? But yes please, do go ahead and celebrate the fact that you'll be able to stream TH-cam from the middle of the Amazon. Because in the scheme of things that is SO VERY IMPORTANT.
Juan Turcios you’re stupid. I’m not selfish, I have internet and make a living off of it. My kids use it for school research and communication. You obviously want to keep the poor, poor. I want everyone on earth to have access to Internet and all the information that comes with it. Selfish prick.
I did my first astro long exposure a few weeks ago and had no idea about the satellites. Was bummed when they showed up as a train thru my capture.
That was most likely an airplane, actually. An airplane with blinking lights will appear as a dot train in your exposure. Starlink would appear as a long streak through the sky, as they are lit at all times while you see them.
I literally just saw this same thing 8n osgood Indiana... how do I figure out when it will go by again . Never seen anything like this in my LIFE
Hi,
Which app you are using to track starlink satellite.
Please share link.
Thanks.
Just saw the train tonight in Sedona AZ, it felt terrifying and feels like this will get out of control. The Hopi prophesy tells of when the world will be surrounded by a web.
Yeah the irony ,the world wide web and were caught in it .It will be our downfall😰
Thanks for sharing this with me. ❤️🇨🇱
They were correct, about a lot. More to come.
That intro is amazing
Someone should ask Elon to build observatories on the moon since we will no longer be able to on Earth.
it's just going to affect image quality not the actual analysis and starlink isnt going over polar regions
lisa thaxton It does now
Honestly the most amazing thing I’ve seen in my life and people still find ways to complain 😂
Sounds like you've never seen a truly dark sky before
Alyn Wallace Maybe not desert status but I’ve seen it with little light pollution and it’s pretty But I’ve seen all the stars they’re not going anywhere i don’t think I’ll ever get sick of seeing a line of stars moving across the sky especially knowing it’s bringing us closer to a connected world
What camera settings did you use to get this footage?
I don’t like the direction the world is going in, it makes me sad
it is really and a lot of people contemplating suicide everday since the virus started the world is going crazy. its scare the hell of me gossh what is life?
If people don't wake up soon it will be too late
What’s sad about this? Right now there’s about 2000 sats in space, everyone with a mobile device uses them, we are young I’m sure we will find a way to clean up, and probably increase efficiency, like being able to return the entire rocket to earth, remember we used to walk days from point A to B now kids are driving and don’t even know of the IC engines work.
i dont mind these satellites too much, eventually astronomy and telescopes will be moved into space or the moon so in the long run this isnt a real problem for scientists, maybe for the average amature but whatever, there are bigger issues on this planet then some satellites that will be giving cheaper internet
Starlink is looking at ways to minimize satellite reflectivity using darker surfaces that are pointed towards Earth. One of the last 60 launched has a darker surface to test this out. Starlink does sound like they are working to minimize this problem.
Eric Johnson SpaceX*
Yeah, glad SpaceX is at least listening to Astronomers when they didn't have to.
Also thinking maybe there 'ruining' the sky for observatories so they get business from more companies that need to launch in orbit telescopes
I doubt the darker surfaces will be put into production, absorbing all that heat from the sun will cause big problems
@@pppparanoidddd - Since these face the Earth they will only be visible to the sun for maybe 20% of their orbit and half of that will be at a shallow angle. Adding some extra heat radiators should handle that heat load for a small weight cost.
I feel like most future astronomy would be happening on a lunar base. Hopefully.
They are putting up shade things on them to hide the light. Same thing could have been said about airplanes but no
Yeah, but for us poor Astrophotographers amateurs night skies will remain shitty here on earth.. is it fair? In thousands of years mankind enjoyed the most darkest skies ever, and now in only 60 years we ruined forever our beautiful night sky in the name of money... 🤬🤬
Hit thanks for the upload, and information. Do you happen to know how long each satellite is visible from horizon to horizon?
Thanks
Thank you, Alyn, for making this video, and raising your concerns about Starlink. I had no idea this was going on. As an amateur astronomer living in a significantly light-polluted city, I must also thank you for talking about that. I've been madder than hell for years about light pollution, and how it's so easy to fix, yet the masses seem not to care (though a slow awakening seems to be happening). Yes, the massive amounts of problems affecting the biodiversity on our planet due to lighting up the night sky, is a huge issue. I'm glad other people are talking about it. Heck, there were times, recently, where I started feeling so crazy about the artificial light, that I started wondering if dark skies were even real...only for a little bit, and then I came back to my senses. A slight touch of delirium, perhaps, based on extreme passion. Anyway, you've got a new subscriber. Thanks again.
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Cool intro graphics!
Nice video. I agree 100% on the light pollution issue. So many cities pay it no mind. I lived in San Jose California for a while and thought it was cool they made considerations for Lick Observatory in their ordinance for city lights. More cities should do that.
Ok. I live in a dark sky rural area. I have a large telescope and do some astrophotography. I also can't get decent internet, and hope to use Starlink. One thing Elon is doing is reducing launch costs drastically, as well as increasing payload capacity. Professional astronomers will benefit in the long term as it enables much better and cheaper space telescopes. Starlink will be paying for this capability. I think the benefits exceed the downside.
They are pissing off providers in the US too as well as flat earthers now. lol
Not to mention that half the world’s population does not have access to the internet. Around 3.5 billion people. So for a large portion of the world this will be the first time their kids can get access to a real education, etc. As much as i love astonomy, it is a first world problem to complain about it compared to billions of kids having a decent education. Plus, just purely survival wise, for the first time in history, because of population issues and the side effects of technology, we face truly existential level problems, from food production and climate change, to complete ecosystem collapses, ai, automation, etc that will only be that much harder to solve when a great percentage of humanity are not educated or even aware of the issues.
So Elon is doing what has to be done, for survival on a planet with limited resources that has essentially just ran out of time to be able to ignore it. Make the world a smaller place communication wise, in order to all understand the ramifications of feeding 10-12 billion people with less and less ariable land, ocean ecosystems that are collapsing left and right, and possible more as lifespans increase with medical breakthroughs, all which will lead to mass migrations and possible war if people cannot find enough food.
So i hate seeing titles of videos like this which only see the issue from frankly a pretty self-centred point of view....we can live with unoptimal nighysky viewing, but it is doubtful we can say the same if climate change has to be reversed and there are 4 billion people who never even heard of it...
@@Arrogan28 You will ALWAYS have those people that fear change and they will make up tall tales and bullshite to justify why this change is bad. Only until those people realize they can make money with this change their tune will change. We saw it in the 90 with the rise of the internet.
I suppose these people are flat earthers too?
www.sciencealert.com/starlink-is-being-an-absolute-nuisance-to-astronomers
The Journey Those same 3.5 billion people don’t have access to clean drinking water either. As a result, six million people per year die from preventable water borne diseases. I think they have more important priorities than better internet connections.
They are at it again over California
I saw them before I heard about them truly didn't know what to think but I couldn't take my eyes off them
I love the effect you did in the beginning of the video
if spaceX succeeds with this, launching telescopes to space will be so much cheaper that astronomers won't have any complains
I hear you, BUT it's not just the astronomers, it all of human kind who love the night skies, but to see masses of dots moving all over the place, and we are talking about over an additional 100,000 of them with Bezos and OneWeb, it'll be a terrible mess!!
My wife and I thought we were under attack... I'm glad we found out what it was. I am disheartened and sick to learn this may become a regular thing. How can massive corporations take away one of the FREE GIFTS of our planet; night sky. We moved further out to the country in part to rid ourselves of light pollution. My first Xmas gift to her our first year here was a telescope. Please keep our skies NATURAL and clutter free!
Being honest the connectivity those sats can provide outweighs your minor inconvenience
Modest Pragmatist although I get where you are coming from. I think the iinternet of billions of people matter more then what you can see in the sky
not saying what spacex doing right now is best, but im glad it was spacex who's the first one doing these LEO satellites because we know more about them and their long term goals than other companies, so its easy to communicate with them
There were already THOUSANDS of satellites polluting our view and the skies that don't belong to us! It breaks my heart and causes feelings of anger for the selfish greed that never seems to end.
I was out early in May and they ruined some of my shots in Western Australia, and I didn't know about them but I just hope SpaceX in the words of the Rolling Stones Paint it Black!
There won't be "thousands in the sky", there will be thousands over the whole globe, and they will only be visible at twilight.
The Problem is, that even a few of thousands visible at twilight or in the night, will make it hard to take pictures of objects without having them in there. For amateur astronomers who operate with a 500 - 2500€ telescope, trying to get a clean picture of a planet or galaxy can be destroyed by just one satellite moving through while taking the pictures. Also the reflecting light makes it harder to pick up weaker lightspots in the sky.
Also they are flying with their solar sails parallel to the earth until they gain altitude when they will turn to be way less visible so don't judge them by what they look like now.
I have a bad feeling about those because now people can call off the whole alien theory where if you see something in the night sky they can say it’s Elon Musk
If ET has the tech to traverse the immense galactic time and distance to get here, he/she won't be worried about/afraid of/hiding from, a species that still uses it's fingers to count to ten. 100,000 light years just to cross our galaxy.
What else are these satellites gonna do? What are their capability's?
Spying I guess
I just seen this but at one spot it just disappeared and didn't seem anymore why?