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- The New Starlink "Standard" Non-Motorized Dish with a kickstand and Router combo is available. Today we look at the price, size, power consumption, and other factors that might have you rethink buying this new Starlink offering even as an RV mobile user.
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The New Starlink "Standard" Non-Motorized Dish with a kickstand and Router combo is available. Today we look at the price, size, power consumption, and other factors that might have you rethink buying this new Starlink offering even as an RV mobile user.
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FYI The one with the actuator only costs $250 USD in the Philippines and then only $45 a month for about 250 down and 50 up. They would not be providing equipment and monthly internet at a loss for large amounts of people on a regular basis. Other countries also get lower prices as well....
Do you know that the chipset does not come more robust to compensate for mobile? It could be using a much more powerful processor to calculate phased array use. Do you KNOW what is inside it? Motors may not be the only extra cost.
You said why would they want why would somebody want to put it on a pole because of snow obviously if it can't move how's it supposed to stay clean to be able to see the satellites if the snow is coming down and covers it
Now that one should be a lot cheaper I should be under a hundred bucks if I have to manually do it myself that's kind of BS
Totally agree it's definitely cheaper build but you're having to spend the same money
I've had my gen 2 dish since June of 2022. The service has only gotten better over time. I use roughly 1.5 TB a month. I've had no issues with live streaming or gaming. Overall it's been one of the best ISPs I've had. Even better than Xfinity when I lived in the city.
Likewise. 24 months of service so far here.
1.5TB a month, wholly crap. We have two people working from home (WebEx, Zoom and Teams meetings galore) and three/four people on the internet, streaming etc and barely ever approach 1TB.
@@jefferyshallI use 2-3 usually a month
@@jefferyshallI download a few games per month. Live stream multiple times per week, and upload videos often. I think downloading games is the biggest contributer.
We use over a TB too I hope they don't start doing the data caps and charging for going over everything is digital now so we use more data then what we used to. What was 500 gb was alot that's now what 1 TB is or more. It's crazy
Original dish, early beta tester. Still going strong through many Wyoming winters.
I like the idea of fewer moving parts, thus even more reliable.
Higher power almost certainly to power the additional antennas. It has to be able to go further off optimal angle in some cases, and now it can only do that via beamforming with stronger signals to compensate for lobing losses.
Yep
I think it's hard to beat the autonomous self aiming antenna for signal strength and ease of deployment
😂😂😂😂😂 you deploy the kickstand one time during setup and that’s it………….
the app is really good at helping you point the dish ONCE. Pretty sure cost reduction removed the cool robotics.
As usual, J, perfect content and delivery…. For all experienced and new SL customers, we thank you. BTW, I have the mobile backpack, with “standard” set up for mobile subscription. I have used the for work off a roofed porch hotels, parking lots, woods, building roofs, etc. I am wary of losing the automated set up where the motor moves the dish to the best spot per location. I do not have to fiddle around for hours pointing the dish. Motorized works better when there is not complete clear sky. And, depending on time of day and sats overhead, it will adjust to keep signal and improve it.
Lower power draw is better. Many of the times in use for mobile, I am using smaller solar generator to power the mobile kit. It will last for more than 13 hours (or much more) with no sun to recharge. Even cloudy days is enough to recharge plus run system. Adding more power to allocate may dictate larger solar cells and generator for mobile apps. Here is what I think…. Test them both in mobile setting. Same exact location. Might have to do test back to back (possible interference with two close together). Make the test where the sky is not 100% unobstructed from SL perspective. See how they compare in set up/tuning, and performance. I volunteer to bring mine to FL and test at a location with you J. We should figure out a way to get a new mobile set up for testing. We will be in your neck of the woods early December for short time. And during month of Feb-first half of March. Let me know if this makes sense.
You get a wider field of view, you can use it while moving (not recommended with the motor) you get the ethernet (already $30 off), it is lighter and way easier to handle, got a 24V dc plug, got a detachable cable (not fixed as the old model) and I think way worth the money. Also, as it is a phase array inside, orienting electronically I could not care less how much Space X has to pay (they are paying on top anyway) because the build cost has nothing to do with the consumer price.
I think the new model is the better one, as test show faster downloads even while moving and not perfectly aligned.
You're forgetting 3 important things:
- Articulation was absolutely necessary when there were many times fewer satellites in the air, and they were harder to find.
- SpaceX does not like unnecessary moving parts, so if adding more antennas and a wider view will work, then they will do that, and it will only improve as they add thousands more satellites over time.
- Once the stationary panel has a wide enough field of view to match the available satellites, it seems to be better as indicated by its use for commercial connections, and Musk's claim that his own aircrafts connection tends to have impeccable speed and reliability.
Edit: Independent engineering analysts suspected that they were subsidizing the cost of the original antennas, due to the cost associated with phased array antennas usually more common for military uses etc than residential.
That was my guess, is that the original antenna design was a loss leader. They probably cost more to make than they were selling them for and making up the difference over the life of a subscription. The new design makes it more affordable to manufacture and no longer sells at a loss. By increasing the usefulness of it, minus the one-time extra steps when setting it up (using an app to aim it), I think it's an overall benefit. And as noted, less parts means less that can break. Those motors would eventually wear out or break, and as SpaceX says, the best part is no part.
@@ytmadpoo Exactly. I can't remember which channel it was, but someone tore down the original antenna and explained how it works pretty well, and why most companies would choose to save the cost and use a dish instead.
I ordered Starlink a few days ago, and I love it! I can game as it has a very low latency, I downloaded 50 GB in two hours; very fast.
They actually lose a lot of money on the Gen 2.
The argument that they have more Sats as time passes is a sound argument but at the end of the day who knows what will happen years from now. I would rather have it be able to move if it needs to.
@@Dreadlk Starlink has almost 5,000 satellites in orbit. As time goes by, Space X plans to have 42,000 in orbit.
Thanks for the thoughtful review. For the last year, we’ve have the standard articulating dish mounted flat on our camper’s roof, which disables the motors. I did a couple of tests before mounting it and found that allowing the dish to aim itself made no significant difference.
The more streamlined design of the new dish is great, but I just wish Starlink would offer the router without the router part! Many have reconfigured the articulating system to use 12V power so they can use a low-power 12V router. It would be great to have a dongle that consisted of a power supply and an ethernet port to connect to any router.
(But at least this one has a power brick - it’ll be interesting to see what power consumption will be if the power brick is replaced with a 12V buck booster.)
With the high monthly cost, the purchase point is not a tipping point. (Especially when we’re all carrying around $1,000 cell phones.) How long until Starlink is bundled with Starlink Cell? :)
For me, the decision to get the new dish will hinge mostly on performance. If it’s even better at piercing through tree cover (which is rarely a problem with our current dish) I’d strongly consider it.
100% agreed.
I like how much more simpler and thinner it is but like you said it has the big con of it not having the rotation mechanism. I also do agree it should be cheaper because it doesn't have the self-adjusting system.
I do agree that this might be good for somebody who has an RV, plane or boat. Yeah I also am a little bit skeptical because I don't know how it'll do if it's mounted in a singular place. At least on an RV and a boat because they are much lower in the atmosphere compared to a plane. So I could see how a plane might perform better than residential or RV and boat.
Hi JCristina!
Thanks for your informative videos! When Starlink started sending out the round dish and then the first rectangular dish, the cost to produce was quoted at maybe $3000 per unit. It was projected to reduce over time, I have not heard for a while what their cost per unit is now. Maybe at this point each unit is still sold at a loss, so maybe it's still a deal.
I got my rectangular dish in February 2022, later that year the motors froze and could not change position even though degraded service was still adequate (I use it on my RV) After complaining to Customer Service, they sent another unit at no charge (and asked to return the original). My take is that the motors are a complication (Musk: The best part is no part) that increases the cost to Starlink.
I agree that the increased power requirement is an issue for many RV'rs, especially dry camping. I hope they can reduce the power comsumption in the future.
Thanks
Max
I'm coming up on my first full winter with Starlink. I usually get 2 or 3 snowfalls of nearly 2 feet so I have dishy on a 3 foot pole on the roof of a 2 story house. If the heater can't keep up with a brisk snowfall, I can put it into the nearly vertical stow mode momentarily to clear the face. Not going to be able to do that with the fixed one.
Completely agree. I was excited about the new unit and not having to carry the large stand would be a big plus for me but wish there was a DC option. Can't imagine using the new version and fuss with trying to align on a pole but while traveling/camping, the new one have great potential but not worth the extra spending to trade it until they come out with a no stand and DC option.
There’s quite a few videos of people showing how to run these things off of batteries and other types of power
@@shockingguy Yeah. It uses POE, which is in itself DC, and is a widely understood standard that's been around for ages in the IT world.
So the question that comes to mind - is if the old one consumes less power, but has to power the motors to move it, why is the new one more expensive to operate? It's an antenna - it sits there.
I'm a trucker. The roof of my sleeper is fiberglass, and any antenna I'd use will be mounted up against the inside of the ceiling, pointing (more or less) straight up. Since price isn't a factor, I'll likely go with the new dish due to its wider field of view.
The inside unit is irrelevant, as I'll go with a direct Ethernet connection via a modded cable. (I'll need to shorten the 50 foot cable by about 40 feet.)
Here in New Mexico, after you conveniently set your new dish on a table, you may come back an hour later and have to follow the cables across your lawn to track down where your dish sailed away to. That's true with most states in the West. The wind blows and at times blows hard. Even sandbagging it would be tentative.
Stake it!
Where did you get the model (.stp file) for the Gen 3 router? Thank you, Sir.
I’m SO HAPPY I purchased the 2nd Gen 2 months before they first changed the price (mine is locked in at discounted $90 rate) about 3 months ago! I decided to mount it to the eves on the side of my roof and will most likely purchase a mobile high performance unit if needed. Also picked up an ASUS AX11000 PRO GT using its 10g WAN port. I originally set it up on my front lawn and was experiencing about 15% obstructions (bottom portion hitting top of trees) but since we put it on the roof its been super fast and NO spinning wheel of death. I LOVE MY GEN 2 for its built in snow melt heater and self articulation! Thanks J for creating great content for everyone to enjoy all while getting the best info needed to make the best informed decision. (I am also located in New England and the dish pretty much stays at its original 33 degrees NE).
Awesome.
I would just prefer to use Disy v2 with Router v3. Give me that option please>>>
"Not $599 hardware." Based on the wider scan angle, the new Standard Dishy has to have more active elements. (This tends to be supported by the higher power consumption.) So the savings from the removal of the mechanical movement is offset by the higher cost of the additional electronics. I'm actually surprised the new Dishy isn't priced higher than the current one.
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Interesting and informative video. I just found out that Starlink is now available in my country - Malaysia- and have been looking for information and reviews on this. Thanks!
Congrats.
Just setup my fixed transceiver. The obstruction part of my app was not above orange on anything. Im doing 20ms 200-300mb down and 15+mb upload.. So far- Its been much better than my Xfinity. No rj45's for my network is a bit of an issue, but I can work around it for now. So far, I am amazed and couldnt be happier considering the price.
I currently own two of the second Gen dish and I can tell you that I can totally see how everything has improved over time. I don't see this new dish being better than the second gen, so I won't be upgrading. I agree with everything you say, it doesn't feel like an upgrade, plus I enjoy the convenience of the dish to automatically adjust itself.
Given the three actuated dishes that have failed for me, maybe the simpler dish would likely be more reliable. But climbing up two stories to adjust is a PIA. Maybe the kickstand dish with an old fashion antenna rotator would work. Just a thought.
How did they fail for you? Trying to gather some rationale to justify my desire for the hp dish lol
On all three cases the router lost communication with the dish. Heater was turned off in the last two cases, which were also refurb units with new attached cables. Starlink never said what failed, they just send a replacement refurb unit.
@@kenbo80 I just went through the same experience with Starlink , I purchased my original set up in July of 23 worked fine till March 24 , reached out to Starlink , they said my router needs to be replaced , sent a new one , still didn't work , reached out again , they sent me a refurb unit , sent back old setup , so far working fine and using the second router as a mesh extender
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Great Info! Out of curiosity what software do you use for video editing?
I've had the Gen 1 Dishy since Feb 2021 and its been great at re-orientating itself. The new router is WiFi 6 which is better than my current WiFi 5 but I have Starlink because our thick stone-wallled house is in the countryside so can't use mesh and the Ethernet ports are important to have my own wired repeaters which are Tri-band WiFi 6 so I have that covered a different way.
I think I'll stick for now with Gen 1 Dishy.😊
We RV with our Starlink, often times it is quite heavily wooded. We use a 30 foot telescopic pole and let the dishy do its thing! Can’t imagine using the other one too much.
Im thinking about starlink how ever / i have a question/ if i got thats say 3 antenas and hooked them all together would i get better internet and faster up and down loads / or what would it make this go faster as i work buying and selling stocks/ also im moving way way up north to alaska
If I was mounting it on my roof then the older one and the new one does need to be cheaper in price. What about the internet speeds like is it enough to play the online game such as world of warcraft?
Is it possible that the higher cost and power requirements is due to a better amplifier being used in the dish? Or is it the router that your saying requires more power.
I have Gen2 and will be bypassing Starlink’s router and running it all on 12V and 12V to 48V PoE…
When I manage my starlink on a pole I found an antenna pole that slid right inside the bottom of the starlink Mast and I used two Automotive hose clamps it's been that way for a couple of months it's rock steady
I have gen one And i always Tilt in a Pacific direction. That means I can make it tilt towards North or the South. But I noticed there's more Satellites north so I make it point towards north
I wonder if the new router is compatible with the articulated dishs, also, wonder if the router has upgraded wifi, or, other features we don't know about yet ...............
My thought is they kept the price the same as the other units so that people wouldn't buy the wrong dish for them just because of the price. Unless I was going to be mobile, I would not buy the new unit. Even then, the self-actuating unit is not that much of a burden to take with you in an RV.
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I bought the new version and love it - best internet we've ever had here in NW corner of Illinois. I like the fact there are no motors simply because they can fail & then what do you have? I thought of the positioning of the dish before installation and decided mounting it on a mast attached to our 2nd floor deck post was the better idea than the roof, just in case it would need to be re-aligned. In addition, we had a very heavy, wet snowfall that the heater couldn't keep up with. A simple wipe off by hand without a ladder took care of that. As for your pricing issue... since when is any product priced according to production cost? It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned and more related to a lack of competition than anything else. Being a technology leader has its advantages. I don't think Teslas are priced according to actual cost either but that's one reason Musk is as wealthy as he is.
I think more emphasis should be brought to bear that there are more Active Elements on the larger Sq inch dish that will improve reception both in angle of view, and clouds / tree cover. That would also account for the additional power usage. And put less emphasis on lack of motor movement. That would also account why no change in price. ie: more electronics, less mechanical = same price, more reliable.
I have heard this about why your dish rotate, that starlink is sending up new and more satellite's in the sky, so they rotate when they find a better satellite that are closer to you.
I would love to know if there is a data connection (speed or stability) advantage between the first generation dishes compared to the new one.
Yeah, my thoughts as well... however, I think at least in my case, that my OG dish is rate limited anyway because of the residential plan I'm on. Well, rate limited during "business" hours. Cause at night I seem to get 200+Mbps... during the day it's a bit more all over the place, 80-180Mbps (I work from home)... I think they QoS to allow priority access. However, during the beta and even though my service was way more unstable, I'd get 300 - 450Mbps. It would be interesting to see though, as you said.
Well, it depends on what percentage of the cost the motors represent. I have a feeling they probably don't represent much; maybe 5% of the cost. Why? Well, these antennas are synthetic aperture, which means hundreds of tiny receivers, each with its own tiny antenna, amplifier, tuner, and a programmable nano-second delay line, so as to point the phase coherent angle to the exact spot in the sky you're communicating with by adjusting the delays dynamically. That all has quite a bit of cost; I don't even understand how they manage to make it as cheap as they do. Synthetic aperture was only used by militaries, before SpaceX. Having said that, I would have put a discount on the motor-less unit, just for the aesthetics.
Yes, I would agree. I am in Alaska my dishes on a 20 foot pole at the peak of my roof. Be hard for me to get up there in manually adjust that for me I guess just have to stick with generation two.
One possible explanation for the higher power usage (wattage) is the snow melt system. I live in Colorado and have noticed some reduction in performance during heavy snow with our articulating gen2 dish. SpaceX may have increased the snowmelt ability of the dish by using higher capacity heaters?
As far as adjustment the old direct TV dishes had to be aligned on poles and roofs. One thing you didn't consider on the price, since the new dish is bigger and requires more power my thinking is that it has more cells or is a stronger receiver and transmitter to compensate for being slightly off alignment. So you may actually be getting more for the money
Yep. Could be.
True you had to align them yourself, but that alignment never changes.
@@jcristina As someone who has 2 decades in the industry as an engineer, the lack of actuators in the new dish is NOT a big deal & a non-issue. First & foremost, the actuators in Starlink dishes did NOT play a role in them tracking satellites. Their main purpose is general aiming during setup. To aim at an optimal path NOT the satellite per se. In other words the actuators just makes setup as easy as possible. Also unlike DirecTV & Dish Network dishes which just stamped pieces of metal that must be aimed directly at the satellite, the Starlink dishes are phased array antennas. That means these are beam steering dishes. Starlink dishes can steer it's beams precisely at an overhead satellite and even track it as the satellite moves across it's arc in the sky.
Second, given that the new dish is larger, that most likely means they've added more elements to the new dish increasing the width of the arc it can steer it's beam. Adding more elements but removing the actuators equals out the price tag.
Lastly, given that Starlink has been steadily increasing the number of satellites in it's constellation, finding an optimal arc (path) is even easier now. The main take-away is phased array technology was only available to the military; Then it came to commercial applications like cell towers in the 2000s. Now that same technology is now available to consumers. Phased array antenna technology allows the steering & pointing w/o having to physically orient at the endpoint. All that is required is to point in the general direction.
@@TheWallReports From another engineer with 2 decades of experience in the industry I recommend everyone to read this post before making your own post. If you still aren't clear about how the Starlink system works, google a definition of phased array and one of Starlink System Operation.
I basically agree with you. Personally, I would go for the motor and lower power consumption model -- even if it is an older model. Who wants to keep running outside and adjusting the antenna when your internet drops. In the Philippines, they are selling the newer model with the higher power consumption. However, in the Philippines, where I live, electric power is extremely expensive. If my monthly power bill is $200 to $250 here, it would probably be $70 - $95 in the US. People try to avoid buying electrical appliances here. So I would want the lowest wattage unit I could get. They are significantly reducing cost to the units, and giving you a couple of crumbs in return. I really can't believe they took the self-adjusting motors out of the Antenna.
I want the old version but with Ethernet. What dongle would I need to add my access point with the older version?
Thank you so much! I was just getting ready to buy a mobile starling,😅
I think that these dished actually cost Starlink more than $1000. They are selling these at a loss to get you to signup. They eventually make up the different through monthly fees. So I think that why the two dishes are priced the same.
I heard that they are now making money and now longer upside down on the kits, Patrick.. I believe that happened a few months ago.
The phased array antenna is a pretty expensive piece of hardware. I used to work at a high end circuit board manufacturer and the material cost was high on that type of board because of the application. The antenna is the circuit board is almoat the size of the dish.
@@frederickstirnkorb3094- good info 👍
@@jcristina You are a 💯 percent correct sir, in my Ed McMahon voice ... 🕊️
@@stable-shadow "Ha Ha -- YES!" also in Ed McMahon's voice ;-)
I have been watching your channel and waiting for this new dish to be available, but now I really need more concrete evidence on its operation and performance. Thank you Jay for posting this info. Please keep the updates coming, I am only getting 1.5 mb and getting very anxious.
Thank you for being here!!!
Great video Joseph. Keep them coming
You give great information 👍
Our dish direction is northwest from South Missouri. Also been getting a buzzing noise from dishy. Contacted support and they say this is normal. Haven't noticed any connection or performance issues. I agree with the new kits. Great video.
I was thinking about buying one for work vehical. Which one and will a 12V inverter power it?
Is it possible to buy the new router as the main one with the ethernet built-in and Wi-Fi 6 and use the existing main router as a mesh system
Hi. I took the motorised one. Just bought the ethernet adapter. I bypassed the Starlink router with a TP-Link Archer AX55 to get better wifi performance for my tablet and my smartphone and other accessories. Every other connections, is with cable Rj45 Cat7. Thanks for your video. Hello from brussels, BELGIUM.
I'm thinking of getting the Flat High Performance dish for better heavy rain performance. Do you think this new dish is as good as the flat performance dish? Also I like the High Performance (Not Flat) dish as well because it will use my current eve mount on my house. So I'm between the Flat High Performance and the High Performance dish currently. Have you tested these? Awesome video btw.
No. The high performance would preform better and if you get the business package you would get faster speeds too.
It looks interesting and I guess it would be easier setup and takes up less space when storing in an RV. Not sure I would want it for home use. By the way been getting a 26ms ping with 151 down and 17.5 up here in central VA.
No. I’m definitely 100% not going to “upgrade”. Should mention too that with the actuated receiver, not only will it align itself in the background for best connection, it can sense when snow or ice accumulates on it and will automatically run the melt function. This is FANTASTIC tech for me where I live. Especially seeing how it’s mounted 3 stories up. Won’t have to worry about in any weather. Not sure if this new one has that or not.
What about maintenance/replacement of the motors. I'm in St. Louis MO and it gets very cold and things that move, don't after a while. Good thoughts on the diffidence's of the unites. I'm getting ready to buy. Keep up the good channel.
I'm getting the version 2, here in the french countryside. Last of these units at 250 euros, on sale, with the ethernet adapter at 40 euros, standard monthly of 40 euros. I have to fix mine on top of the chimney and so your info was crucial to my situation, well done and thank you. PS, my adsl is the same per month and gives me, at best, 5 Mbit down and 1 Mbit up - I'm hoping to see some considerable improvement.
Pls let me know how it goes. I’m looking at it for a house in Normandy.
Where can I research Gen 4 dish and using it on a boat in the Great Lakes? I hear you talking about RV’s for nomads…what about boats? They continually move around. What is your take on the Gen 4 and being on a boat at anchor?
If you are in RV out of cell coverage, how would you optimize the new dish.
I am glad they got rid of the stupid right-angle connections on the cables. I had to cut a 1" hole in my wall to fit the cable through using the old one.
Absolutely spot on.. you are 100% correct
The flat version is easier to mount on an RV/Van without cutting out the back etc.
I have the new unit with kick stand, new router, and power supply. It was pretty much plug and play once I had a user name and password set up and used the phone app to orient the antenna. My orientation here in Southern Wisconsin is almost straight North.
Unfortunately on the second day of use my power supply seems to have failed. The little LED indicator on the power supply doesn't light up. I tried reconnecting every thing and it still doesn't seem to have power. You are right about the power source being AC to a DC power supply and I thought that I was getting a power supply that could connect directly to a battery system because I ordered the "roam" unit. Duh. There are after market battery kits out there but that is an added expense. Of course there are many RV's and boats that have dual AC and DC capability. My boat has AC while at a marina but otherwise I have to use an inverter or small generator for AC. If I'm motoring no problem using an inverter but it's a sail boat and the engine only is used once in a while.
I might be mistaken about the power supply failure as the modem was in sleep mode. I changed the timing on that and the modem eventually booted. Or maybe my disconnecting and reconnecting solved the problem.
Buy the hardware that suits your use case. The roam package can be paused, the cheaper residential subscription can't. Is the additional power consumption all to do with the new dish format, or is a significant proportion of that related to the Gen 3 router that it comes with?
Dish Network got smart as they matured, and moved to leasing the equipment. What that did for Dish Network was allow the equipment to remain on the books, increasing the accrued assets of the company, allowing Dish to obtain secured assets loans which they used to build even more dishes, and fund the building and launching of more satellites and ground stations, which allowed them to add Locals via use of regional spot beam technology which allowed the reuse of the same transponder downlink frequencies multiple times for local tv channel distribution across the USA.
Here in Australia, where I live, I've watched mine change position at least 3-4 times a day as it tracks satellites for the best signal. It will be a complete pain if I have to get up on my roof every few hours to adjust the dish to maintain the best signal. I'm still annoyed that if you want to use the new router, it's not directly compatible with gen 2.
Ditto here in Montana.
Only as an AP I believe.
thank you for our reviews. really helped. i will settle for the second gen. i loved it when i saw it could alter itself, so reduces the stress to find out it wasnt aligned to do so manually
I like the motorized (2nd gen), I’d be concerned about anchoring of the kickstand for high winds, than if for some reason you have to re orient the dish you’d have to drill new holes on your roof, and this one anchors real solid,and I wonder if the new one has a built in heater. Just something to add which has nothing to do with this particular conversation, but I noticed one person talking about his dish buzzing and was wondering if anyone else’s does, mine also buzzes.
I got an offer for the new Gen 3 unit yesterday. I'm considering getting the new unit because it offers WiFi 6 and should have 3x-4x higher speeds.
But, your comments about the superiority of the Gen 2 with motors is a great point. I have mine on a pole and so I could easily have alignment problems and have to twist the pole like it's 1963 all over again.
Would you do a video about the speeds of Gen 3 compared to Gen 2? I'm in the Midwest with a lot of customers in my cell and better speeds are always welcome. I have 6 more days to decide if I want to upgrade and get a month of service for free.
Thanks
Why you need a pole? Just set it on the ground.
If the output from the AC to DC Adapter is 12 to 13.8 Volts, then the modem can be directly powered by vehicle accessory power.
Yes, that’s the new Gen3 router, and it will not get so ‘warm’ and should work better in hotter weather. The Gen2 router is slower over 30C
My daily does of starlink much appreciated
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What happens if I put in on a sloped roof ( most roofs are sloped ) will is slide off especially in high wind?
Ive had the 2nd gen dish for 4 months now its beautiful! non peak hrs pulling 250+ mbps peak hrs drops between 20-60 mbps but never any buffering or loss of service. I did purchase a 3rd party router for wifi 6 though
I wish it was WiFi 6E or 7 personally.
I’m thinking about installing one in my boat, but I’m in doubt about how the gen 2 actuators would work on a boat. Do you think the antenna will keep realigning as the boat moves, even at anchor? I’m abroad and here they still sell the gen 2 antenna. The less power hungry gen 2 is a plus, but I don’t know if this is the best option (due to the presence of the motors) or if it’s better to wait for the gen 3 antenna. Disabling the motors would not be the ideal solution for me as I intend to also use the antenna at my house.
I live on a boat, there’s so many satellites at this point that the antenna never moves. I’m converting it to 12v and cutting the back off to place it in a Starmount to hard mount on my radar arch. Not concerned about issues.
Really glad I bought two awhile back one for standard one for roam at 199$ cdn each. Although to deactivate mobile now, they charge you 80$ a pop each time you re -activate. I think the flat new ones are good for the people wanting to integrate ( mount) to the roof of there campers.
Today
46 down
7.7 up
Not bad..
I have it and it is excellent. Works perfectly!
Thank you.
Hi J., I won't look for my speed, and recognized I couldn't, it showed me (Starlink-Disconnected, Router-Disconnected) I have no idea what's going on, do you!?
The thinner antenna probably has more active phased array technology for catching and send the data - higher-resolutions ADC's and DAC, maybe more, just sitting there on the PCB. Just guessing but you need faster electronics (newer FPGA's) to work better beam-forming.
I'm in the process of ordering Starlink but wanted to see more of your videos before deciding on the final product. After watching this video, you now have me thinking of which dish I would be better off with. I plan on installing this on the roof where I have the Viasat dish and mount still there after cancelling that service several months ago. However, after viewing the Starlink Residential Service Plans, the only choice available for a dish is the new recommended standard dish (unless I'm missing something). The previous one is no longer on the web page. Plus with this new dish I'll have to visit the Starlink shop and order the proper mount(s). Thanks for the video!!
So do they discontinue the previous dish when they make a new one if so I would want them to allow us to get the og dish it seems to be best performing one.
That would be cool but I doubt they will
I agree with you. It would be better to have the older style for an RV or I. Am an RV or also I agree with you about the power supply. Even the older style could be switched to running on on 12 V for an RV or that would be fantastic. Otherwise you've got to run an inverter or your generator in order to keep it going. Anyway, keep it up the sad thing is. I just ordered mine a week ago now. I hear your video call will. Have a good one, thank you for keeping us in posted. I'm really enjoy your posts thanks bye bye
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No, the new antenna does not have to cost less just because there are fewer (as in no) moving parts. I have a Gen 3. I’ll be using it for RV and travel use. It can and will be run on 12V without the use of a inverter. Plus, I never point the antenna in any specific direction when I setup. The antenna is mounted to my RV and is pointing straight up. It has worked perfectly each time.
The units are still heavily discounted compared to their manufacture cost. At least with the new one you’ve latest WiFi and phased array tech and because this is meant for RV use so many installs serving flat on the roof of their truck anyway, so the motors are actually a hindrance.
All models use Phased Array tech.
I wonder if it’s possible to use the motorized gen 2 dish with the new router.
You can, but still need the Gen2 router as a dish psu, in bypass mode, with the Ethernet adaptor to the Gen3 router
can you use the GEN2 dish and a GEN3 router?
Do you think they are using the higher power to overcome not being able to track the satellites when sending?
that and the extra 10 degree field of view.. Possibly.
my early beta version still working fine old round one should I upgrade ??
Don’t fix what is not broken. 😉
I had "bad connection" in yellow on my online account. They sent me a new cable that i received last friday. Today(Tuesday), it went offline. Now it says "bad connection" in red. They are sending me another cable.
What are the chances that both cables are bad?
Update, they changed their mind and decided to send another kit. It will be a refurbished gen 2. I have to send the old kit back. It lasted 7 months.
So you think I should stay with my gen 1 the round dish. I was going to upgrade. It would’ve cost me 499.
I checked out a couple of RV life videos and they took their starlink dish and basically it's mounted flat on the roof of their rig. It's pointing straight up and they're getting good service. With the size of the constellation nowadays I don't see any reason to go through all the nonsense. You just need to fabricate a housing for it to make sure it's secure in that flat upward position and you're done.
Every watt does count! I laughed at that part of your video....I agree totally!
The SL video mentioned mounting it perm..how do they expect you to do that?
I used to setup large ( 10 foot ) and small Satelite dishes ... You had to manually adjust the position using the Sat reciever setup functions... basically fine tune it by hand moving it while watching the screen and listening to a tone... not hard and took a few minutes and after that the actuator would move it ( as you had to point at different satelites ).. setting up the non moving dish would be as easy....and one time in most cases ( if you mount it where it doesn't get moved / bumped. )
Yes it is more harder for most people..but i'm sure alot could figure it out... I'd recommend the moving self aligning dish to anyone of course... the newer dish would be more useful for a traveling setup....and you could have both ..one for at home..the new dish in your travel location...or RV etc... depending on cost of an extra dish? plus cables ( you would want one cable at each setup anyways ( for ease of installation and setup )...Routers would be one used everywhere..or you could upgrade the home to Gen 3 router and use your Gen 2 router at the Lake or RV travels?? If Starlink allows that usage??
Love to hear from someone that was in the thick of the things. Thank you.
@@jcristina
I didn't do it as a Career...lol...i did it for my family or friends mainly and self taught... it was pretty simple anyways as i had a lot of skills that made me understand it easily.... and the manual explained it perfectly....i repair many things and was into Stereo equipment and Electronics in general...so i liked doing stuff myself ( as my Dad did too )... building home computers and learning Software was easy too.... I just saw the setup similar to what i had done.... setting up my Gen 2 was also made simple by Starlink...but some may need help...even when it is so easy now to get Free Help online....which i didn't have when younger ( 66 now )... just following beaten paths like most of us..🇨🇦🤓👍
I've had my Gen 1 dish for a couple months short of 4 years and it has never changed orientation. The gen 1, and I assume the gen 2, always cost more than Starlink charged for them because they needed to get them deployed. If they are breaking even or making a few bucks on the new one I am OK with that. If my gen 1 died I replace it with a gen 3 simply for the fully replaceable cable with standard RJ45s on both ends.
I have the second generation and is mounted on the roof secured by bolts. The wind blows here quite fierce in the Spring. Since this antenna is solidly mounted and the dish orients itself I do not worry about dish moving out of alignment. SpaceX has changed the dish orientation over time, started out oriented NNW and has migrated to NNE over the past two years and likely has been reoriented to other positions I was unaware of. I am in central NM. The new version dish may be an advantage for mobile operators to quickly orient and move their dish and its large surface area able to overcome obscured sky by trees or buildings.
Perfect
Definitely version 2, Iwill be off grid, then I can buy a RV Mount and let it configure without me going back and forth.
Hey Joe , So I was , at first , under the SAME impression regarding the manual alignment on Gen3 Dish. I fought with Starlink and wanted ( preferred ) a refurb Gen 2 over the Gen 3 for my Van which I camp in many locations. So I did a test. My findings are : Then Gen 3 after INITIAL alignment seems to have some type of Gyro inside to retain your signal once it initially is aligned for max reception. Well of course I did not believe this UNTIL a group in California who builds Gen2 flat conversions for mobile use and in motion use CONFIRMED they also tested the Gen 3 and found only a 10-15% degradation in signal while in MOTION. So other than my mounting pole base on the side of my van I used with my Gen 2 , There is little to no difference in the Gen 3 performance ONCE you initially obtained the Max Alignment. I asked if they had cut open a Gen 3 and if I could see this Gyro they attest to , and they refused stating Proprietary Technology agreements they have with Starlink. Hmmmm
But anyhooters , I will do a few Mobile tests with Gen 3 soon and report back MY OWN analysis and let you know if its the same as the DishMount guys findings. Thanks Joe !!
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Hi - so I have a question for you, please. Do you pay for the RV roaming dish, or can you get the "residence" dish and mount it on the RV or sailboat? I don't understand the differences in the prices because I assume all types "roam" to find the satellites? Unless it has to do with the AC or DC power. Sorry, total newbie to this topic so I'm trying to understand before ordering. Would love to have it for both home and RV... same dsh. :) Thank you!
@Jcristina, Was hoping they add the on off , reset connection leds to the routers, strange that new routers do not have them at all.
I've got the actuator Dishy. Sailed from Vietnam to Canada with it mostly on the deck getting washed by waves. 7500nm. Worked fine. Back home it's reinstalled on my boat and running just fine. It's a very good piece of hardware. The kickstand just seems like a bad idea. Maybe a ball joint for permanent home locations.
What I'd like is to have two Dishys and one account. I've got a boat, and a home. I am at one or the other, so it would be very easy for me to turn one server off before I drive to the other one. It took me two months to get through to Starlink about an additional $25/month Roaming fee tacked on to my $150 Roaming plan. They gave me back $25 (I guess the other $75 is???)