When a calvanist speaks, the language is called calvanese, another dictionary, another grammatical composition, it's like klingon only it makes no sense lol....
42:50 Re: Calvinist zero day viruses--my wife and I just boxed up 2 large bookshelf units, stuffed with "Evangelical content" starting from the late 1980's. Handling and deciding on each book gave me a chance to reflect. Here's how I summarized our collection: - 85% Fluff laced with Calvinism; - 14% Serious stuff laced with Calvinism; - 1% Serious stuff not laced with Calvinism.
Yes. I've been purging a lot of books out of my library and it's interesting how each one reminds you of where you used to be. Interesting how certain things become irrelevant that we previously thought were important enough to spend our time and money on.
I’m not one of those Baptists who yells “yeah preacher!” during the sermon when they make a good point, but felt like doing that during parts of this video.
I too noticed your absence, Kevin, as i usually get your recent offerings in my feed. I'll add to a hearty, "Glad to see (hear) ya... Keep on keeping on..." 😊
I wish the audience felt that way as much as my secular job does. The health care company I work for doing cybersecurity remediation values my perspective a lot more than this audience does in the aggregate. Something’s got to give eventually. The effort is not sustainable.
Thank you for your work - you challenge me and although we clash at times we are both doing this for the same reason. To glorify God and seek the truth. Keep it up.
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17:38... Regarding logical fallacies. ... "If you had all the logical Fallacies located in one place, the name for that is Calvinism"🤣🤣that's a good'ern, Kevin! I'm stealin' it.
I like the perspective. Don't focus on free will. focus on the Bible - If the Bible says that I can repent then I can. This is true regardless of weather there is free will or not. So refreshing.
The map analogy is perfect. It really does seem like Calvinists will deny the reality of the world around them and the plain reading of tScripture before they'll deny the map of their theological system. The result is eisegesis on a grand scale and the dismissal of a primary test of truth, the Test of Correspondence.
Is it any wonder why Calvinist denominations are either extremely liberal progressive or extremely legalistic and works-based compared to biblical Christianity?
What you say about Calvinism having leaked it's presuppositions into the rest of Christianity is so true! Most people in Evangelical circles have some idea of Unconditional Election in their mind even if they avoid thinking about it and would reject the name Calvinist. It becomes fertile ground for full blown Calvinism when exposed to enough teaching from a convincing Calvinist teacher.
I've been studying the big five (also the Myers Briggs stuff). Feel like this content is a lot easier to follow having some knowledge of the vocab. Great video!
This lesson ( video) is a Huge Atomic bomb dropped right into the Calvinism theology and the "logical word games" they have been playing for the last 15 hundred years or so . Lets pray thousands of Calvinists who see this video come to their ( God given ) senses and return the Lord and his Gospel as it is Written in His Word . Amen Brother
So... I've been kind of rasslin with what presupositions I've been taking to the table with me to things like sanctification: Rom 6,7,8 It's kind of silly to see how many Augustinian world view assumptions are just placed on all this without even realizing it (even as someone ardently opposed to Calvinism) CRAZY! this is more pertinent than I realized to what I've been thinking about lately. GLAD YOUR BACK MAN!
My pastor is a recent convert to Calvinism. He isnt manipulative like this, at least not on purpose. He doesnt understand the philosophical concepts underneath tulip, but he does teach the Bible, most of the time. Let God preserve our churxh, so far we have been moving in a healthy direction, and we have some elders that are pretty strongly against Calvanism. So far we are doing ok.
Calvinism seems innocent at first. However, the subversive nature of Calvinism cannot help but rear its ugly head after a certain amount of time. I would start rallying the troops to address the coming problems sooner rather than later.
If their are people in the chat who don't understand biblical predestination then they should watch Kevin's video's on the subject. Don't expect to have all of your questions answered here.
Thankyou Kevin My 1st time ever watching your channel I’m 2yrs into faith ( late in life ) but pretty sussed already as I’ve Not been indoctrinated into Churchianity and false doctrine false theology like many Where would be a good start point on your channel This was brilliant but little too Advanced for me The 1st 1/2 was fine the 2nd 1/2 was tough I couldn’t quite follow all the terminology Is it based in psychology ? Behaviour therapy ? I’m not and never will be a Calvanist already been educating myself in this subject for 6 months ongoing i recognise they are different and I’ve been called an Arminian so many times etc I do not think it’s even Christianity And the calvi god is not Jesus that’s for sure I have no idea how I fell upon your material but feel I’d like to explore I didn’t get but stance on free will as you don’t seem to hold to it So I need to understand this And I need more education on armenienism
We don’t market explanatory power here nor pretend to offer any kind of faux certainty to anyone. So the typical kinds of questions that one might ask those kinds of so-called “ministries” are inappropriate here. Is there a passage you would like to discuss?
@@KevinThompson1611 I am not sure what you mean, but I am trying to understand what, if anything was inevitable or fixed in time. I am not sure anything is. Daniel prophesied the date of the crucifixion quite accurately, so did that mean Israel did not have a good faith offer or a real choice to make? Was there an alternative timeline to the one that happened, where they did accept Jesus as Messiah, and he died some other way? And I ask about political leaders because Paul called the powers “ordained.”
@@BlastHardcheese194 knowledge that something will happen is not the cause of it happening. It is a category error to conflate knowledge with causality, a modal fallacy.
@@joefrescoln Romans 13:1 is what I have in mind. I don’t think he is saying that political leaders are forknown or predicted. Maybe just authorized, but maybe set in place or selected. I am trying to understand just how “open” or contingent everything is. Has the Father already decided when Jesus will return, or is that contingent?
@@BlastHardcheese194 I don't think Romans 13 has this in view, but even if everything is decreed/decided, it wouldn't necessarily rule out contingency. If God has middle knowledge of everything that would obtain in any circumstances (if he is omniscient, this would be the case imo), he could "decree/decide" things that take into account the agency of man. In this way, one would have libertarian freedom in a meticulously providencial world.
I definitely don't agree that christians would be better off at Bethel than they would at John mccarthur's church. I'm actually really surprised do you believe that. But maybe you really don't know what's going on at Bethel.
Maybe you don’t know what Johnny Mac preaches. My wife and I didn’t. We attempt to eat the meat and spit out the bones. He’s such a good preacher, it’s so sad that he perpetrates lies. It’s like rat killer 99.9% truth and just a itty-bitty bit of poison.
@@atyt11 Yes I agree with you. But if you really understand what is going on at Bethel you might say there is much less poison at John Macs church. That's all I was meaning. Like I'd rather have 99.9% than 75.5%.
@@jolookstothestars6358 i know you know. Poison is poison. I do believe your dead either way. I think the core at bethel is better than you have been told. Crazy aside (and every church has some crazy) Top Bethel beliefs are...... 1. There is only one true God, the Creator, Redeemer, and Eternal King 2. God is holy, loving, truthful, and just 3. God has revealed himself to be eternally self-existent in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit 4. The Bible is the only infallible and authoritative Word of God, and is inspired by God 5. Humankind was created in the image of God to know and enjoy Him 6. God is eternal, the creator of time, and the origin of all things 7. The eternal Son of God came to earth to manifest God to men, fulfill prophecy, and become the Redeemer of a lost world I do not think a calvinist church, if you could pull the truth from them, would honestly actually affirm each of these. What are your thoughts?
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Welcome back! You were missed
thank you. missed you guys too.
When a calvanist speaks, the language is called calvanese, another dictionary, another grammatical composition, it's like klingon only it makes no sense lol....
Haha...calvinese, that's good. Mind if I use that?
42:50 Re: Calvinist zero day viruses--my wife and I just boxed up 2 large bookshelf units, stuffed with "Evangelical content" starting from the late 1980's. Handling and deciding on each book gave me a chance to reflect. Here's how I summarized our collection:
- 85% Fluff laced with Calvinism;
- 14% Serious stuff laced with Calvinism;
- 1% Serious stuff not laced with Calvinism.
Yes. I've been purging a lot of books out of my library and it's interesting how each one reminds you of where you used to be. Interesting how certain things become irrelevant that we previously thought were important enough to spend our time and money on.
Glad you’re back! Had some time to catch up on all the recent content. Appreciate your continued work edifying the Body.
I need this disclaimer. So good.
I’m not one of those Baptists who yells “yeah preacher!” during the sermon when they make a good point, but felt like doing that during parts of this video.
Amen brother
I too noticed your absence, Kevin, as i usually get your recent offerings in my feed.
I'll add to a hearty, "Glad to see (hear) ya... Keep on keeping on..." 😊
It’s good to see you upload again brother. Your perspective is invaluable
I wish the audience felt that way as much as my secular job does. The health care company I work for doing cybersecurity remediation values my perspective a lot more than this audience does in the aggregate. Something’s got to give eventually. The effort is not sustainable.
Thank you for your work - you challenge me and although we clash at times we are both doing this for the same reason. To glorify God and seek the truth. Keep it up.
Excited to hear of your glossary! I’ll purchase!
It’s free, and constantly being updated:
beyondthefundamentals.com/glossary.html
But you are more than welcome to donate to the cause:
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17:38... Regarding logical fallacies. ... "If you had all the logical Fallacies located in one place, the name for that is Calvinism"🤣🤣that's a good'ern, Kevin! I'm stealin' it.
Good content, like always.
thank you!
I like the perspective. Don't focus on free will. focus on the Bible - If the Bible says that I can repent then I can. This is true regardless of weather there is free will or not. So refreshing.
The map analogy is perfect. It really does seem like Calvinists will deny the reality of the world around them and the plain reading of tScripture before they'll deny the map of their theological system. The result is eisegesis on a grand scale and the dismissal of a primary test of truth, the Test of Correspondence.
Allowing Calvinist to redefine words makes them just like the trans activists trying to redefine words
Is it any wonder why Calvinist denominations are either extremely liberal progressive or extremely legalistic and works-based compared to biblical Christianity?
What you say about Calvinism having leaked it's presuppositions into the rest of Christianity is so true! Most people in Evangelical circles have some idea of Unconditional Election in their mind even if they avoid thinking about it and would reject the name Calvinist. It becomes fertile ground for full blown Calvinism when exposed to enough teaching from a convincing Calvinist teacher.
Kevins long intro seperates the wheat from the chaff... lol love the Dream Theater acoustic
I've been studying the big five (also the Myers Briggs stuff). Feel like this content is a lot easier to follow having some knowledge of the vocab. Great video!
So, so glad Kevin is back safe and sound.
Great to see you again. Thanks.
This lesson ( video) is a Huge Atomic bomb dropped right into the Calvinism theology and the "logical word games" they have been playing for the last 15 hundred years or so . Lets pray thousands of Calvinists who see this video come to their ( God given ) senses and return the Lord and his Gospel as it is Written in His Word . Amen Brother
Yes, glad you are back
Talking starts at 4:36, if you want to save some time.
Thanks
I think that Calvin also had access to The Cathar Book of the Two Principles, from the Manicheans that still lingered from Albigenses in Calvin's Day.
I decided to just take everything said in this video...
And apply it to EVERYTHING I'm holding onto...
I kept expecting to hear the bass and keyboards come in... boom!
So... I've been kind of rasslin with what presupositions I've been taking to the table with me to things like sanctification:
Rom 6,7,8
It's kind of silly to see how many Augustinian world view assumptions are just placed on all this without even realizing it (even as someone ardently opposed to Calvinism)
CRAZY! this is more pertinent than I realized to what I've been thinking about lately.
GLAD YOUR BACK MAN!
My pastor is a recent convert to Calvinism. He isnt manipulative like this, at least not on purpose. He doesnt understand the philosophical concepts underneath tulip, but he does teach the Bible, most of the time. Let God preserve our churxh, so far we have been moving in a healthy direction, and we have some elders that are pretty strongly against Calvanism. So far we are doing ok.
Calvinism seems innocent at first. However, the subversive nature of Calvinism cannot help but rear its ugly head after a certain amount of time.
I would start rallying the troops to address the coming problems sooner rather than later.
Highly doubt he just turned to calvanism, and if you have strong elders uproot, that tulip. There is no clean fruit from a poisoned tree...
I would pay careful attention to what he is saying from here on out. At some point the word may actually come up. Stand your ground.
Today I learned Kevin is a metal head!
30:00 Love the brain-eating fungus analogy! ❤😅❤
31:00 Oh no, now you're "analogy stacking": Green/Blue ball analogy. Love it 😂
At first, I thought you said like a drowning man wants hair, and I was wondering how you knew I was bald.
😢missed you bro
Misrepresenting correctly😅. I am loving that
If a calvanist tells me again that i dont understand Calvinism I'm going to scream.
If their are people in the chat who don't understand biblical predestination then they should watch Kevin's video's on the subject. Don't expect to have all of your questions answered here.
What is meant by presumption of the human will.
.cloud with no rain..
Great Video!
Thankyou Kevin
My 1st time ever watching your channel
I’m 2yrs into faith ( late in life ) but pretty sussed already as I’ve
Not been indoctrinated into
Churchianity and false doctrine false theology like many
Where would be a good start point on your channel
This was brilliant but little too
Advanced for me
The 1st 1/2 was fine the 2nd 1/2 was tough I couldn’t quite follow all the terminology
Is it based in psychology ? Behaviour therapy ?
I’m not and never will be a Calvanist already been educating myself in this subject for 6 months ongoing i recognise they are different and I’ve been called an Arminian so many times etc
I do not think it’s even Christianity
And the calvi god is not Jesus that’s for sure
I have no idea how I fell upon your material but feel I’d like to explore
I didn’t get but stance on free will as you don’t seem to hold to it
So I need to understand this
And I need more education on armenienism
The logical fallacies in Calvinism are too many to explain.
I am not a Calvinist because I do not want to misrepresent Jesus.
Tropophilic or Tropophilia...
Looks like I got some homework
full preterism is obviously true, RC probably meant well but is a false religionist
Did God predestine our political leaders?
We don’t market explanatory power here nor pretend to offer any kind of faux certainty to anyone. So the typical kinds of questions that one might ask those kinds of so-called “ministries” are inappropriate here.
Is there a passage you would like to discuss?
@@KevinThompson1611 I am not sure what you mean, but I am trying to understand what, if anything was inevitable or fixed in time. I am not sure anything is. Daniel prophesied the date of the crucifixion quite accurately, so did that mean Israel did not have a good faith offer or a real choice to make? Was there an alternative timeline to the one that happened, where they did accept Jesus as Messiah, and he died some other way? And I ask about political leaders because Paul called the powers “ordained.”
@@BlastHardcheese194 knowledge that something will happen is not the cause of it happening. It is a category error to conflate knowledge with causality, a modal fallacy.
@@joefrescoln Romans 13:1 is what I have in mind. I don’t think he is saying that political leaders are forknown or predicted. Maybe just authorized, but maybe set in place or selected. I am trying to understand just how “open” or contingent everything is. Has the Father already decided when Jesus will return, or is that contingent?
@@BlastHardcheese194 I don't think Romans 13 has this in view, but even if everything is decreed/decided, it wouldn't necessarily rule out contingency. If God has middle knowledge of everything that would obtain in any circumstances (if he is omniscient, this would be the case imo), he could "decree/decide" things that take into account the agency of man. In this way, one would have libertarian freedom in a meticulously providencial world.
Sophistry; a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.
I definitely don't agree that christians would be better off at Bethel than they would at John mccarthur's church. I'm actually really surprised do you believe that. But maybe you really don't know what's going on at Bethel.
Maybe you don’t know what Johnny Mac preaches. My wife and I didn’t. We attempt to eat the meat and spit out the bones. He’s such a good preacher, it’s so sad that he perpetrates lies. It’s like rat killer 99.9% truth and just a itty-bitty bit of poison.
@@atyt11 Yes I agree with you. But if you really understand what is going on at Bethel you might say there is much less poison at John Macs church. That's all I was meaning. Like I'd rather have 99.9% than 75.5%.
@@jolookstothestars6358 i know you know. Poison is poison. I do believe your dead either way.
I think the core at bethel is better than you have been told. Crazy aside (and every church has some crazy) Top Bethel beliefs are......
1. There is only one true God, the Creator, Redeemer, and Eternal King
2. God is holy, loving, truthful, and just
3. God has revealed himself to be eternally self-existent in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
4. The Bible is the only infallible and authoritative Word of God, and is inspired by God
5. Humankind was created in the image of God to know and enjoy Him
6. God is eternal, the creator of time, and the origin of all things
7. The eternal Son of God came to earth to manifest God to men, fulfill prophecy, and become the Redeemer of a lost world
I do not think a calvinist church, if you could pull the truth from them, would honestly actually affirm each of these.
What are your thoughts?
Nobody knows what he's talking about
God has three wills.....as does his children.