Titania McGrath: satire in the age of social justice

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  • ‘Humour is a weapon of the patriarchy.’ So says Titania McGrath, the Twitter superstar who describes herself as an activist, healer and radical intersectionalist poet. Titania has become famous for her ‘woke’ words of wisdom. Titania is of course fictional - a satirical character dreamt up by author and comedian Andrew Doyle. In this engaging conversation with Ella Whelan, filmed at the Battle of Ideas festival, Andrew Doyle discusses life as Titania, conformism and more.

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  • @MichaelYoder1961
    @MichaelYoder1961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    "If you want to tell people the truth make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." Oscar Wilde

  • @Marc-ty5mk
    @Marc-ty5mk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    In the '00's I studied Portuguese, and during a course on post colonial literature, the professor (the head of the faculty) was commenting on a picture taken during the Portuguese colonial wars. It showed Portuguese soldiers with captured fighters. The way one soldier held his weapon, was presented by the professor, as a sign of racism. A student from N-Ireland stood up, and told him, that he had seen this in N-Ireland, and this was actualy a safety measure. That moment showed me, how anyone can see what they want to see.

    • @zxyatiywariii8
      @zxyatiywariii8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yes, "confirmation bias".
      You can interpret almost any picture to "prove" whatever you want; but they seem to be doing this subconsciously.

  • @TheRealValus
    @TheRealValus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    My favorite:
    "End the gender pregnancy gap."
    ~ Titania McGrath

    • @gerardmulder7656
      @gerardmulder7656 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What if I don't have a pregnancy gap in my body, does this mean it ended?

    • @bradmowreader5983
      @bradmowreader5983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Working on it!

    • @TommyGlint
      @TommyGlint 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      My favorite might be a retweet but still funny;
      “Boris Johnson is NOT my president!”

    • @kukalakana
      @kukalakana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Have you never seen "Junior"?
      Or "Life of Brian"... "We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, Brother."

    • @sebastiansanchez-cabello456
      @sebastiansanchez-cabello456 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @r.veldhuis2473
    @r.veldhuis2473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    My eyes were opened after a discussion with a former colleague who literally said: 'The person who is offended, is always right'.

    • @NatasjavanDijknah
      @NatasjavanDijknah 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh jee, zijn sommigen in NL ook al zover? :(

    • @r.veldhuis2473
      @r.veldhuis2473 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He recently immigrated from England years ago, and is an avid reader of the Guardian.

    • @honestjohn6418
      @honestjohn6418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Yes. I have an old friend who studied Gramsci and Adorno at SOAS in the 90s. Recently, when I asked him how we ascertain guilt, when someone is accused of racism, he said “the victim decides”.
      If that isn’t the most Orwellian thing ever?
      And the scary thing is. Under British law he is correct. If I absentmindedly stare at a person with a protected identity, and they interpret the direction of my eyes as racially hostile, that can be recorded as a “non-crime hate incident” and not to only be used as evidence of how hateful post Brexit Britain has become; but feature on my record as an act of racism.
      It’s subjective and the “victim” decides.

    • @DavidMorley123
      @DavidMorley123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Offense is often taken yet rarely given.

    • @kathyde1906
      @kathyde1906 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@r.veldhuis2473 THAT explains his views.

  • @kind-hearted-thievesjoe1512
    @kind-hearted-thievesjoe1512 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I could listen to this guy chat all day. He is my anti depressant.

  • @vagabondwastrel2361
    @vagabondwastrel2361 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Some muslims can't take a joke, it just sets them off.

    • @AtticAurel
      @AtticAurel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      like some leftists, like some christians, some communists, some conservatives, some capitalists, some liberals, some socialists, some jews etc. you get the idea. (you might be right in: that the 'some' part among muslim is slightly bigger in relation.)

    • @redwall1521
      @redwall1521 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@AtticAurel It was a joke, chill.
      I get you're being semantic on the word "some", but it's still a joke

    • @AtticAurel
      @AtticAurel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redwall1521
      Uh-oh! I just 'some-muslimed' myself... 😉😆

    • @just83542
      @just83542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well, considering their special "vested" interests, it seems that the intention is to "set them off". Even among the crowded Marketplace of ideas.

    • @Lopfff
      @Lopfff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's not fair. Islam is the bomb!

  • @lolzhammer8281
    @lolzhammer8281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The worst thing about trying to satirize the Woke is that they take it as advice on what to push forward next.

  • @LHA8925
    @LHA8925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    I bet he was an awesome teacher. So much time for Andrew.

  • @HerbertDuckshort
    @HerbertDuckshort 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Titania McGrath is the Dame Edna of our age. Brilliant observation by Doyle.

    • @copferthat
      @copferthat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wonderful analogy Tony and I strongly suggest everybody look her up and especially Sir Les Paterson, that's how it should be done, no prisoners.

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm glad Titania's physical embodiment isn't a man in drag.

  • @Lopfff
    @Lopfff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Andrew Doyle is one of the great minds of our time. Ella Whelan is awesome too

  • @markncl100
    @markncl100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Ella & Andrew you are both fantastic. The way you think, articulate and reason is so thought-provokingly brilliant. A truly gripping interview.

  • @Rankbaajin
    @Rankbaajin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Titania McGrath is my spirit animal

  • @YaxisX
    @YaxisX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Titania Mcgrath and Andrew Doyle---I just saw my first Titania McGrath video, and she is hilarious and I loved it. I must have more and more.

  • @Funkywallot
    @Funkywallot 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Andrew Doyle the Jordan Peterson of Satire. Thanks for this. Excellent discussion and a reminder why Satire still is the preferable weapon when it comes to counteract bigotry.And great host Ella

  • @jhart1127
    @jhart1127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I never understood this concept of punching down. Who decides who is down? I’m a woman, I’m not a victim. If it’s a clever joke then it’s clever! It makes you think.

  • @DJsleng06
    @DJsleng06 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "Shakira's hips are incapable of deceit." LOL

    • @DlcEnergy
      @DlcEnergy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, person, when you talk like that...
      You may or may not make those who identify as a woman go mad.
      Especially, if they're not interested, in the genitals of your body...
      Iiiiim playing pacman in africa on tonight...

  • @ilfautdanser9121
    @ilfautdanser9121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    "the woke culture is an infantilized culture". yep

    • @merdanethubar-sarum9031
      @merdanethubar-sarum9031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know if that is a fair representation. Many people don't choose to become 'woke', they simply feel that it is the best answer to their emotional troubles. You don't call people with an eating disorder 'infantile', even though their view of certain aspects of the world is at odds with facts, logic and common sense.

    • @ilfautdanser9121
      @ilfautdanser9121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@merdanethubar-sarum9031 i would call someone with an eating disorder mentally ill--which is not an insult. And you're probably right about infantile, it's suggestive of something benign which wokism is not. I understand the impulse, in my youth i took part in marches and signed petitions. What i never did was try to destroy those that disagreed with me or call them names that would have spoke volumes about my intelligence and nothing about their beliefs.

    • @fridgemagnett
      @fridgemagnett 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      An infantilized cult, even.

    • @HiltonBenchley
      @HiltonBenchley 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@merdanethubar-sarum9031 So what you're saying is that the woke are mentally ill? You make a very good point.

  • @peacemaker6662
    @peacemaker6662 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This has become a Dictionary war. We can no longer define words like Racism, Oppression, Privilege etc. therefore we cannot discuss them properly.

    • @otsoko66
      @otsoko66 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a disingenuous argument: the so-called 'woke' people have specific and well-defined meanings that they are using for 'racism', 'oppression' , 'privilege' etc. which are based on well-argued theoretical models (eg, that racism is acting on systemic, institutional systems; so based on their definition, Black people simply cannot be racist towards Whites; they can be hateful, biased, bigoted and/or prejudiced -- just not racist). You can disagree with those definitions and models, but you cannot argue that they are not being clear about how they are defining them. Going to a dictionary and picking the definition that serves you best in the moment and then insisting that this is somehow 'truth', and pretending that they haven't defined their terms, is dishonest to the core. To be honest, I have never heard ANY speaker call his opponents 'racist' more often than Doyle does -- it is his go-to dismissive insult (so, you know: pot, meet kettle.)

    • @peacemaker6662
      @peacemaker6662 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@otsoko66 Interesting argument you have there. Can you point me to a reputable dictionary definition that would support the 'woke' definition you describe? Honest question :-)
      My understanding of a dictionary is to simply define the meaning of words, if we have dictionaries that define the word differently then I would suggest we have real difficulty in having an honest and open discussion.... don't you think so?
      You use terms like "acting on systemic, institutional systems" I'm sure you are not using those terms in a way I would understand but if you can please give examples of this in the West?
      You say "Black people simply cannot be racist towards Whites; they can be hateful, biased, bigoted and/or prejudiced -- just not racist" I would suggest the vast majority of Joe public would say those thing's are the very definition of racism. Should it not matter how the vast majority define words and how they understand them? How did MLK define it?
      I have heard people say 'Black people can't be racist' before, usually backed with 'they are in a white majority country'. Is that your opinion and if so, can White people not be racist in South Africa....can they just be hateful, biased, bigoted and/or prejudiced -- just not racist"?

  • @NatasjavanDijknah
    @NatasjavanDijknah 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I saw the latest livestream of Posie Parker the other day wherein she said that now primary school childeren can be labeled with a hate crime if they say something not nice to a minority and that minority kid persieves it as racism or transfobic and all that good stuff :(

  • @DavidMorley123
    @DavidMorley123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I live (uncomfortably) with a woke woman who simply lacks a sense of humor. She's smart as a whip, ivy league educated even, but unless a joke is explained to her, she's unlikely to understand it as a joke, and even then she won't be amused. I've never heard her tell a joke. I've known (less well) several smart people who seem to lack a "sense of humor". Too literal, as you put it.
    Thanks for a fun interview. and thanks to your tech staff for a great production.

    • @dirkbogarde44
      @dirkbogarde44 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Leave her.

    • @kbeetles
      @kbeetles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She is functioning only from her left brain - see Iain McGilchrist's bilateral mind. Do not be fooled by her education - if she takes everything too literally, she has no imagination and no open, daring outlook on the complexity of life. Clever people like that can deaden everything around them.

    • @keithhanson2783
      @keithhanson2783 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      women seldom have a sense of humour, if they laugh and you ask them why they dont know!!

    • @kbeetles
      @kbeetles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Keith Hanson- leave it Keith - I am a woman and I have a good sense of humour - but you are right we, individually, often find different things funny..... I laugh on TH-cam political videos and comments can be so witty and hilarious sometimes!

    • @keithhanson2783
      @keithhanson2783 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kbeetles You may be the exception that proves the rule

  • @EtherDais
    @EtherDais 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That insight after 1:12:29 is on point. Class consciousness and woke are mutually exclusive

  • @Maelli535
    @Maelli535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    53:00: "literal mindedness". Try explaining to a feminist that men who tell jokes about women are actually parodying themselves, by adopting the persona of the "male Chauvinist". You will be met by utter humourlessness.

    • @vagabondwastrel2361
      @vagabondwastrel2361 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is how Trump has said the same joke a few times and the journalists/activists bought it every time.
      Question: what does the J in Donald J Trump stand for?
      Answer: genius.
      Once you know Trump has a sense of humor most of his rhetoric just sounds like jokes. Well, that and he counter punches people more than blindsides them. In negotiation it is one of three things. First it is everything is the best. Second I will flay your skin and wear you like a glove to sign the contracts. Third we made a deal and it will benefit All parties. How more people haven't seen this is beyond me.

  • @lorenza2589
    @lorenza2589 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Whatever you do, keep Titania alive please! We need her ridiculous voice now more than ever.

  • @BLINDTUBEMARES
    @BLINDTUBEMARES 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    15:40- Exactly! This is why the 'middle classes' were worried about cinema in it's early days, because 'working class' people were huddled together in the dark watching things they wouldn't understand and could lead to rebellion against their masters

  • @MsElke11
    @MsElke11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "sorry kid, that's life!" Gosh, how I'd love to say that to my students nowadays.

  • @Rankbaajin
    @Rankbaajin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I needed to hear this just as much as I needed to hear Dr. Peterson

    • @konfunable
      @konfunable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Petersons's fans are the most pathetic losers ever. Just don't try to change the politics and nothinig in the world just blame the marxists for everything and clean your room! :DDDD

    • @deanerhockings-reptilianhu8701
      @deanerhockings-reptilianhu8701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's refreshing. And the fact that more people articulate enough to call this nonsense out is growing is seriously encouraging.

    • @deanerhockings-reptilianhu8701
      @deanerhockings-reptilianhu8701 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      sorry mate - I didn't get a word of that...

    • @er9779
      @er9779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@konfunable 100%!!!

  • @toshiyaar7885
    @toshiyaar7885 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was wonderful! Thank you for your beautiful mind!

  • @GLOKD
    @GLOKD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ella Whelan is an excellent orator. Spiked have some real heavyweights in their camp.

  • @Martin_Adams184
    @Martin_Adams184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    An excellent discussion. It provides plenty of food for thought; and as your blurb says, it's engaging. Thank you!
    I would have liked to hear more of Andrew's response to the questioner who asked to what extent the rise of Woke culture is connected to the decline of Christianity as a provider of cultural and ethical norms for the West.
    It seems to me that they surely must be connected. Instead of the righteousness imputed by God, we have self-righteousness, grounded on a literalistic adherence to the new faith. (Christians can sometimes be equally literalistic - but that's a comment on human nature, not on the teachings of Christ or of the church.) This new faith is a kind of replacement - a quasi-Christian heresy that human behaviour, and therefore human nature, can be shaped by human effort and legislation. By contrast, it is fundamental to Christian teaching that human nature is inevitably flawed, and that the consequences can be ameliorated not by self-fulfilment and self-righteousness, but only by denial of self - one of Jesus' most fundamental teachings. Of course, there's a lot more to it than that; but that will have to do for a start.

    • @carolwolf9614
      @carolwolf9614 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Great comment

    • @Martin_Adams184
      @Martin_Adams184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@carolwolf9614 Thank you.

    • @Go2Matthew
      @Go2Matthew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Jordan Peterson has talked about Nietzsche's statements on the "death of God" presaging a bloodbath in the 20th century. Seems like precisely what you bring up.

    • @Martin_Adams184
      @Martin_Adams184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Go2Matthew Thank you for that suggestion. I hadn't thought about that connection; but from what I know of Nietzsche, I suspect you could be right. I think I'm right to say that, while Nietzsche had a very low opinion of the church as an institution, he recognised that Christianity was a powerful restraint on the behaviour of individuals. I don't know enough to say any more about his views; and I'm also aware that his views developed over time. Food for thought - so thanks!

    • @mathewhale3581
      @mathewhale3581 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Martin Adams - it’s a guilt relieving tactic. The real question then becomes - what are we feeling guilty about? In a nutshell, it could be described as simply as Blake wrote in Tiger “did he who made the lamb make thee?” Are we worthy of the divine ideal or are we base, ravening beasts of destruction.
      It’s the guilt of the human condition - are we good or evil, because we all are capable of both. To relieve that knowledge (and the crushing depression it brings to those brave enough to think about it) we take on guilt relieving tactics and virtue signal them to others to show that we are go(o)d, worthy human beings. Other systems popped up since religion took a back seat (so you are correct, it is a kind of quasi religious replacement faith) which do a similar job including: animal welfare, new age, feminism, environmental, spirituality, PC culture and now extreme Woke. All of which are feel good about yourself replacements. So... why are we feeling bad again?
      Ps these are not my ideas. I read them 16 years ago and they surface today reading your thread which l liked

  • @snakesocks
    @snakesocks 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a pleasant surprise to see Ella Whelan conducting the conversation.

  • @honestjohn6418
    @honestjohn6418 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Theresa May looks like an NHS poster warning about dehydration 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @georgeorwell6682
    @georgeorwell6682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad I don't know anyone like Andrew describes but I'd love to meet one and see for myself.
    I enjoyed the show.
    Thanks

  • @charlytaylor1748
    @charlytaylor1748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I agree about wokeness driving potential lefties away from the left. I like to think I'm in the middle somewhere, but any hint of woke drives me away from the left for sure. I've tried to have conversations but I end up with thes sense of whatever I do or say I can't win ('cause I'm white and male and straight, in case you hadn't guessed. I do apologise).

  • @61citystars
    @61citystars 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant discussion

  • @bobbyshaftoe45
    @bobbyshaftoe45 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So lucidly tangible it actually gives one chills.

  • @ManuelBTC21
    @ManuelBTC21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    25:00 "What's been very eye opening, is how many people that I'd been told were monsters, have been the loveliest people I've ever met".
    Reminds me of my sister who converted to Catholicism over the past few years and changed her stance on abortion accordingly. It's telling how feminists treat women like her or somebody like Margret Thatcher for example. They pretend like they don't exist, that only Feminists speak for women and that anybody who is against them is a "patriarchal oppressor".

  • @chrispaul9035
    @chrispaul9035 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sticks and Stoes may break my bones, but Names will never hurt me.

  • @markkavanagh7377
    @markkavanagh7377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    So many empty seats!!!! Hope Ella and Claire didnt lose money on this and that it will happen again next year.

    • @littleshoemaker
      @littleshoemaker 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There were loads of sessions going on at once so they were all competing for audiences.

  • @merdanethubar-sarum9031
    @merdanethubar-sarum9031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "I don't understand this", is what I'm hearing a lot. You can understand it. Let me explain by use of a metaphor: imagine you are talking to an anorexic person. Do you think you are able to convince them that they're really not fat? With logic or with facts? Do you think they would understand an obvious joke about their weight or misrepresent it and take it very seriously?
    People who are very emotionally invested in their self image, warped as though it may seem, really do not see logic or understand jokes if it touches upon their particular area of sensitivity. They just don't. To defy logic even to the point of self-destruction. Most of them not deliberately, but because the emotional rewards of following their vision or philosophy keeps them afloat. It allows them to feel in control and not victimized.
    If you think about it, it is not that hard to understand. It is perhaps the more difficult question: how did this come about and why are so many people, especially in media, feel attracted to this source of emotional stability and control.

    • @mathewhale3581
      @mathewhale3581 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Merdaneth Ubar-Sarum - nice observation. I’ve seen this phenomena, described it a little differently, but it’s the same thing. It’s like having an ideology becomes a part of who you are as a person, inseparable from your psyche. Now, if I attack, query, satirise or comment on that ideology then that is basically a direct assault upon you and there will be retaliation. It’s the same mentality as religion and politics

    • @tomcarl8021
      @tomcarl8021 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My answer to your question of how did this come about is Cultural Marxism. It's a continuation of the radical Left's agenda to destroy Western Civilization. The collapse of the Soviet Union and East Germany did not defeat them or their agenda.

  • @sjm6963
    @sjm6963 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely love this guy. Thanks Andrew and Ella. Not forgetting Clare Fox too. XXX

  • @ACColorado
    @ACColorado 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey Britain, forget Europe and join us. USA + UK = we could be the first Galactic Empire!

  • @edwardhoulton8725
    @edwardhoulton8725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    6 months old and look how bad things are now.

  • @ienekevanhouten4559
    @ienekevanhouten4559 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That thing Emma Goldman said, about not wanting to be part of any revolution where she could not dance? I feel that way about humor.

  • @Mungo658
    @Mungo658 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    needs way more views

  • @EmperorsNewWardrobe
    @EmperorsNewWardrobe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20:53 Wow. What a point.

  • @justinbrown691
    @justinbrown691 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Long Kiss Good Night is one people should see. Fun action flick.

  • @caram6061
    @caram6061 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic interviewer well done

  • @Imforeverenglish
    @Imforeverenglish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It been a long time since I have heard so much common sense in one video ....what a breath of fresh air!

  • @Swellstew
    @Swellstew 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing talk. But what's with the 3 or 4 questions at a time?

  • @adrianmichaelkelly277
    @adrianmichaelkelly277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    17:30: spot on.

  • @dianamills5243
    @dianamills5243 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the things I find interesting is that there are lots of discussions about the relationship between exposure to 'social media' and reading 'screens' and 'phones'. But there seems to be a lack of discussion between what is actually consumed. I am spending several hours a day reading Les Mis (Victor Hugo), but no distinction seems to be made between that and selfies.

    • @charlytaylor1748
      @charlytaylor1748 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm a classic 'I don't watch TV, me' then watch 3 episodes of Only Connect on YT from 5 years ago, 'cause that doesn't count.

  • @tensevo
    @tensevo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Godfrey Elfwick was a triumph

  • @weechid9784
    @weechid9784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just love this guy. He talks so much sense.

  • @jittmet7766
    @jittmet7766 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It was actually BDS promoter Rashida Tlaib (as well as BDS promoter Ilhan Omar) who wasn't allowed into Israel and then she was and made a big song and dance about not going. But yes, her grandmother would have been the winner there.

  • @valkyriesardo278
    @valkyriesardo278 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Listening to this discussion on lack of humor, I am reminded of my dogs. Buzz never understood playful teasing. Dinah knows immediately when I'm trying to be a pest. And you have to be on guard because she will pay you back. The main difference between dog and human is that dogs have no malice in what they do.

  • @JureS
    @JureS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This ...was... TOP!
    Not just Andrew, but top marks imo go also to Ella Whelan and... (I do now say that often) the audience!!!!
    Long and yet not boring conversion with sensible questions from the audience? I mean... it's almost like it's not #currentYear

  • @reallyoldfatgit
    @reallyoldfatgit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m told that I’m a Boomer and a Gammon, in this talk we hear about Millennials and Generation Z. My suggestion is that we abandon all groups, including the other groups that are used such as Male, Female, White, Black, People of Colour (which actually means “people who are not white”), Upper Class, Middle Class, Lower Class etc. Surely we are all individuals (queue Monty Python).

  • @dontpanic1812
    @dontpanic1812 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love it. Satire, whether it comes from the liberal perspective or the conservative, places a mirror up to our faces, showing us our own ridiculousness we're hardly ever aware of. It dare us to recognize where we're going wrong, how we're screwing up, prodding us to change for the better, get back on track and improve. It is hopeful and optimistic and isn't just mockery or ridicule; any of us are capable of acting like the subjects to whom it is directed.
    In our politically-energized state, my favorite is liberal satire critiquing liberals, with conservative satire on conservatism a close second. Libs on cons and cons on libs land in realms of condescension and antagonism, but the self critiquing itself has qualities of self-effacement, commiseration and constructiveness to compliment the anger-- real power for changing minds, behaviors and ideologies. Plus, it's great PR for re-defining the perspectives of how counterparts see each other, killing polarization and stereotypical, generalized thinking.
    After the past four years, I'm looking forward to a surge in dramatic satire-- the Captain Fantastics, the For All Mankinds, the Dr. Strangeloves, Titanias and Jonathan Pies. Such an amount of fodder has been created recently, it seems absurd it won't happen. Maybe, insider films on the media critiquing the media, political vehicles exploring their own contradictions, a series about how academia turned and turned and some about how corporations and governments have done the same will come to light. Could be a new Golden Age in film and television is just around the corner, that this past year has clued studio and network execs, screenwriters and producers in on the ridiculousness of what's been going on. Figure things like "Idiocracy," "The Death of Stalin" and "Iron Sky" are on the way, too.
    Mirrors. Gotta love 'em.

  • @MsElke11
    @MsElke11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LITERAL INTERPRETATION starts with social networking not being able to translate SARCASM in the print.
    We either need a FONT that means "JOKE" or we need to educate people with limited LANGUAGE COMPREHENSION to understand satiric language.

  • @lowandodor1150
    @lowandodor1150 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andrew! Andrew! Andrew!
    I love this man! And i say the same thing: no one noticed, no one cared...and those few who were mean or awful about it, got shunned by everyone.

  • @raynarks
    @raynarks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The police investigated a joke.
    It sounds like a Monty Python sketch.

  • @btjmrp
    @btjmrp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andrew has a beautiful mind and lovely expressive hands

  • @juliantaylor8777
    @juliantaylor8777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A voice of reason. Funny and eminently sensible 👍😃

  • @crystalroche2168
    @crystalroche2168 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy... I love this guy

  • @sandybottom6623
    @sandybottom6623 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing is perfect, Always getting better. Building up personal and societal capital.

  • @punjab135
    @punjab135 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem has been the transition of the generation who went parents - school - college - transnational corporation.
    They are essentially children mentally. They have always lived under a protective structure, and believe that this is what they are creating.

  • @bobbyshaftoe45
    @bobbyshaftoe45 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    NAILED IT: "Unless you're a Racist you're a racist"

  • @abug5004
    @abug5004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The thing is that critical thinking is what the liberal arts were designed to do. If you teach these subjects like history, government, philosophy properly it does that already. It's such a mess right now.

  • @wowwowwow185
    @wowwowwow185 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    off the gulag with you ! they left the working class in the gutter . not victim enough for them ,, they woke up to them .. can't . pat them on the head,,,, poor little victim ...give us your money and vote! ! so they had to import new victims to survive

  • @martinjohnson5498
    @martinjohnson5498 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Re question around 51:00 about "do they really believe what they say?" Ideology makes people stupid because it stops thinking.

    • @idolcruisefix71
      @idolcruisefix71 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ideologies? ideas stop thinking? you have not sold me on that one.

    • @73Goodfellow
      @73Goodfellow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@idolcruisefix71 Ideology is more like a mindless dedication to one specific set of ideas.

    • @idolcruisefix71
      @idolcruisefix71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@73Goodfellow That's just like your dedication to ending the parameters of the ideology... man. Just kidding. I was thinking more of the second definition. Thanks for reminding me of the more common usage.

  • @jonathantwort6980
    @jonathantwort6980 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We were always taught….. STICKS AND STONES MAKE BREAK OUR BONES BUT NAMES CAN NEVER HARM YOU! Such a sadness that this generation is offended by everything!!!

  • @dontpanic1812
    @dontpanic1812 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gory, another part of all this literal-mindedness is people not taking others at their word, distrusting the face-value of what someone had said and spinning it into something they suspect it's saying or something they prefer it to say-- all for the purpose of not discussing what they've said. It's a convenient way to avoid discussing a topic by discussing something else or assuming it's cloaking it's very opposite.
    This dysfunction in society we're seeing may be stemming from two areas: a lack of education, of experience, of coddling people's psyches and a willfulness to ignore the obvious for something more personal or irrelevant.
    Don't know how we've done it, but we've managed to prioritize the subjective over the objective. We've made both metaphor and the literal into tools of emotion rather than of intellect. The consequence of all of this is we've zapped all the fun in life into selfish non-existence, whereby individual expression is not only paramount, but threatening, unless it comports with the collective.
    Figure we really need to start ignoring the ignorant again and just do what we do, paying no mind to those who want to distract us into playing their superficial, egotistical games. Maybe, with more experience they'll abandon their moral and judgemental junior high school furor, but until that happens, maybe the only attention we should give them is our pity and a referral to a mental healthcare professional.

  • @StarlasAiko
    @StarlasAiko 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Issue with jokes inciting behaviour is conflating correlation and causation. The people who act violently after a comedian makes a joke that, if taken literally, would be an incitement, would have acted violently anyways, they just use the joke as excuse...or rather, critics claim that as reason.

  • @julianlord5366
    @julianlord5366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "half-understood version of Foucauldian theory " -- bullseye !!

  • @sosaysthecaptain5580
    @sosaysthecaptain5580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for defending the word “left”, and maintaining its association with class consciousness.

  • @ralphdavidson9542
    @ralphdavidson9542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoyed that, but taking several questions at a time always results in questions not being answered. I reckon at least 5 good questions got no answer.

    • @jk3838
      @jk3838 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree, I found that frustrating to not have those questions answered, hopefully those asking were able to get an answer from Andrew on the day

  • @stevenesbitt3528
    @stevenesbitt3528 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My God this guy is spot on

  • @StarlasAiko
    @StarlasAiko 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You didn't predict those events, you created them.

  • @cliffjamesmusic
    @cliffjamesmusic ปีที่แล้ว

    To avoid getting into Nebulism in political discussions that refer to left-wing and right-wing, it would be helpful for the interviewer and interviewee to define what they mean by these terms at the outset.

  • @jonathantwort6980
    @jonathantwort6980 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andrew be like the Queen……. Never explain, ever complain.

  • @godetotoro
    @godetotoro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is brilhant ABUSOLUTELY ON THE SPOT headshot on the mark

  • @punjab135
    @punjab135 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is a man who knows how to scan a sonnet. I've said it before and I'll say it again

  • @carmelmulroy6459
    @carmelmulroy6459 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shakira's hips incapable of deceit. This guy is so funny.

  • @akstandup7912
    @akstandup7912 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    127 Improper use of public electronic communications network
    (1) A person is guilty of an offence if he-
    (a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
    (b) causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
    Just had to look this up. And I think it's grossly offensive to assume the gender pronoun 'he'. (A person is guilty of an offence if he-
    )

  • @NicoSmets
    @NicoSmets 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh great it's Ella Whelan. Haven't seen her for years.

  • @cjamthepatricianakabilldoo7852
    @cjamthepatricianakabilldoo7852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If someone had thrown acid brand would have been the first to celebrate that’s the difference between woke people like brand and other people

  • @vagabondwastrel2361
    @vagabondwastrel2361 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    But people are getting silenced. He has interviewed some of them. I think it would be more fair to say his focus is on the self censorship.

  • @nicknomski8399
    @nicknomski8399 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Smart dude

  • @normlenhart9565
    @normlenhart9565 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This whole mess only gets fixed when people grow a spine, tell the snowflakes "NO" and make it stick. Expect to fight against the cancel culture BS they will pull and fight to win. Your rights depend on it.

  • @JayJay-wg5ex
    @JayJay-wg5ex 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They might feel less "unsafe" if they had the skills to formulate a counter argument or articulate their thoughts.

  • @thepuredrop79
    @thepuredrop79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think free speech erosion predates Brexit. Look at the child grooming scandals.
    Never heard Andrew Doyle speak before though I knew of his 'alt-right' reputation! Enjoyed this discussion.

    • @danielspillett5393
      @danielspillett5393 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      doyle is left wing not right he writes for spiked a left wing publication he's just not as dumb as your average left wing socialist as Churchill said if your 25 and don't vote liberal you ain't got a hart if your 35 and don't vote conservative you ain't got a brain.and we the working classes can not stand middle class leftists

    • @kbeetles
      @kbeetles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No "grooming" scandal - it is "raping groups" scandal!! Let us call things by their real name!

    • @user-gv5um9ej8o
      @user-gv5um9ej8o 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      by "child grooming scandals" do you mean the muslim grooming gangs?

    • @thepuredrop79
      @thepuredrop79 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielspillett5393 his reputation has nothing to do with him personally, it's what he was labelled as.

    • @thepuredrop79
      @thepuredrop79 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kbeetles sorry that you can't read between the lines of what the grooming scandals involved: the rape of children.

  • @helleboros
    @helleboros 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, we don’t think we have an empire anymore. So what do you want ?

  • @michaeldent3669
    @michaeldent3669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    id rather sleep in than being woke

  • @dorjedriftwood2731
    @dorjedriftwood2731 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Three questions at a time is a terrible format, I do like how it keeps people from hogging the mic.

  • @jam99
    @jam99 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find it surprising that an intelligent man like Andrew Doyle appears so innocent when it comes to modern media coverage. Of course journalists intentionally misinterpret under the disguise of taking things literally. Why so much now than ever before? Many reasons I expect but talk to an average American about satire; not many get it. 'Oh, I get it now, you Brits, that's sarcasm isn't it?' American culture has permeated our culture more and more over decades. You could also say it is because Spitting Image stopped! Brass Eye was allowed to become reality. Our modern mainstream media is a disgrace and truly damaging to our society. Their main aims are to invoke fear, anger and/or division. Why? Well, it may be partly political but, quite simply, these are commercial companies out to make money and want your attention. When they invoke these emotions in people, it boosts sales, viewing figures and makes their brand more popular. It gives them more power. They incite fear and outrage for their own benefit. The problem is that it is far easier for busy politicians to pay more attention to these false self elected representatives of society when what they should be doing is talking to the real people they are supposed to be representing. What really disgusts me is that most of the public are blind to this and that they get away with doing it under the guise of information outlets. Stop being so gullible, people.

  • @Smudgie
    @Smudgie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andrew gets to speak from 3:30

  • @AustimosPrime
    @AustimosPrime 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    No matter what they say British people always sound more articulate than us Americans. I have a southern accent so I already sound like an idiot to half of my country anyways.

  • @houndofzoltan
    @houndofzoltan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I couldn't agree more with the whole didn't used to recognize color and now I just assume the people are there because of quotas.!

  • @TwoOnions275
    @TwoOnions275 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you Andrew and Ella, for constantly reassuring me there are still 'Lefties' who don't buy into the worse excesses of identity politics. As a young man in the 90s, I used to 'half-joke' that identity politics was an interesting distraction from the real work of equality, but it would eventually destroy the Left.

  • @donaltaaffe6934
    @donaltaaffe6934 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍