@@bestintheworld568 What point was the original scene? The above edit actually makes more sense than the original version since Vader would have been able to sense that Kenobi was onboard the ship he had ahold of (much like he sense Kenobi being on the shuttle much later) and not get duped into grabbing ahold of a ship that has no lifeforms aboard it.
@@batvader6894 She didn't scream when before she tried to assassinate him. She screamed after he had already blocked her attack and knew she was there because she had no reason to hide her anger and resentment towards him anymore.
@@Robert_Westwood Like how lightsabers don't chop people up because Disney doesn't want to show it, and some time in the middle of the show a stormtrooper gets gruesomely split in half, and Vader snaps a kid's neck on cam.
@Nick to be fair, stormtroopers wear armor for a reaason, maybe you would have to swing alot harder than that. i mean the stormtrooper fell down onto the laser.
This is SO MUCH BETTER it's insane. It makes Vader actually imposing, rather than a blinded by rage idiot, and it makes her betrayal actually work, instead of her showing up AFTER he's no longer distracted.
I see your point, but I think what they wanted to do is highlight how emotionally charged dark side users are. Even Sidious has encouraged Darth Vader to be emotional through manipulation and other grooming techniques. Unfortunately, despite how powerful he may be, Vader's source of strength, his emotional nature, is ironically also his greatest weakness. Just my interpretation, but would love to hear others' opinions.
Idk if you guys have watched the Clone Wars series, but Anakin's emotional nature is highly emphasized as being the reason he turned to the dark side anyway. I may be preaching to the choir though so forgive me if I am.
@@0xdamian595 The dark side isn't about being emotionally charged nor letting ur emotions be rampant anymore than the light side is about having no emotions or completely controlling your emotions. The dark side is about channeling negative emotions into power. It's not about channeling any emotion or else the Dark side could just as easily be about how cute baby Yoda is. As for the Clone Wars and pretty much every single piece of Star Wars media it wasn't about Anakin's emotional nature being the reason why he turned to the dark side. It was his arrogance, headstrong stubbornness mixed in with the fact that he was unable to let go of his attachments that lead him to the dark side.
One of the best Vader moments in all of Star Wars is him tearing up the ship and that gets cut here. And it's not like Vader being too focused on one target to react to another wasn't literally set up earlier in the episode.
@@shearman360 That scene alone creates a massive plothole in the original trilogy and Rogue One. There are multiple instances where Vader clearly wants a ship and does nothing to try and stop it's flight. -The Tantive IV in Rogue One -Han fleeing on Hoth. Hell why didn't he pull down the second ship in the hanger from Obi-wan?!! It's taking off just like the last one and in the original cut Reva is nowhere near him. It's just bad writing all around, like most everything Disney has done with Star Wars.
@@dondoesdoodles9726 Vader isn't in his prime during the original trilogy. He loses a duel to a kid who trained in a swamp for a few weeks I doubt he had the strength to stop a moving ship. As I already said he doesn't stop the 2nd ship because he doesn't react in time. Kenobi literally tells Reva that he knows Vader won't be suspecting a surprise because he's so focused on how he thinks it will play out. Hell there's even flashbacks to prove his point.
@@shearman360 seriously, one of the best? I doubt it, especially considering he basically got fooled there... in fact throughout this show they make vader seem like a fool tbh
@@420K Yeah he got fooled, and? The flashbacks throughout the episode show that he's arrogant and doesn't plan for surprises. Vader isn't a genius, Palpatine managed to turn him against his best friend of 20 years in just a few days.
There was a second ship and Reva didn’t attack until after the ship got away … it was … bad. Vader ripping open the first ship with the force was a cool moment but not enough to salvage it.
It’s sort of what the script and narrative ACTUALLY set up, too, with Kenobi using Reva to distract Vader so they could escape. It was the whole point so it makes so much more sense this way.
That totally makes that scene much better. Looking forward to other fixes like showing where the speeders went, because they simply showed up, flew inside, and were back outside again. At the speed they were flying and distance to the wall, they should've splattered the wall like a bug on a windshield.
I like the idea of obiwan using brains to defeat vader, but this is more emotionally charged, and it gives a reason for Reva to reveal herself to vader
The ending of the last fight scene didn't make any sense either Anakin was already more powerful than obiwan and was only defeated by obiwan because he got outsmarted Vader is much more powerful than mustafar anakin and obiwan here is weaker than mustafar obi wan Obi wan should've won by outsmarting him again with a game plan (vader is still the learner and kenobi is the master would still fit very well) Rather than straight up overpowering which is just illogigal Obi wan shouldve won by outsmarting him, buying enough time for the refugees and escape himself at the end and fake his own the death maybe so vader/anakin stops the hunt for kenobi. The emotional dialogue couldve still happened in this alternate scene. This wouldve made much more sense than obi wan suddenly becoming immensely more powerful defeating vader by brute force but not kill him at the end.
@@rookyphenom1 I wouldn’t say it was brute force. It was simply better swordsmanship aside from the rock barrage thing. But that wasn’t what gave him the win. Just as the flashback dictated, Anakin always thinks he’s won, and let’s his Guard down to the point of having a loss. He thought he killed Obiwan by crushing him to death, left, and let his guard down again letting Obi Wan Larry Kenobi outsmart him again, using a Anakin’s over confidence to snag the win yet again.
This is the ultimate proof that giving an unchecked free hand to a single person to write stuff is a terrible idea. One meeting with "wait, what if we did it that way?" repeated multiple timees would fix a lot of problems of this show.
nonsense. this clip is the result of an unchecked free hand given to a single person. if anything, this is proof that no matter how creative or accomplished your team is (Lucasfilm), producers will override talent and get whatever they want.
@@Icemario87 no, because thousands of people thought that this was smarter when we watched the scene first, I for one always questioned why reva attacked when Vader was unoccupied, and why Vader didn't stop the second ship
You're right. The only thing is is how that ship tool of without a pilot, why couldn't we clearly see the other shop and how Vader isn't that stupid to stop a ship with no people inside. He should have been able to sense it.
@@exurii5844 he could sense a load of people and then saw a ship take off. Of course he’s going to be mistaken, you can also see the second ship in that scene. I don’t get what the issue is at all
@@fatihazzamal-ghifari7010 droid, preprogrammed flight, autopilot, a hack etc? All things we know exist in the universe. If it can be explained away by common sense it’s perfectly fine. We don’t need our hand held through every scene or everything explained to us when it doesn’t need to be
The ideal compromise in my opinion is he takes the ship, tears it apart, and when the second ship starts to take off, you have this happen where she interrupts him.
Honestly this was a better choice than having the second ship escape it’s like he still has access to the force there’s nothing taking up his force prowess right now he could just rip it right out of the sky. However having the inquisitors attack him from behind and having him stop her blade with the force was a good choice.
@@mindcraftful no it’s not. The entire point of the episode was to show Anakin/Vader’s impatience, hence the training at the beginning. And canon wise, all force users have a cool down on their abilities because it’s exhausting to use the force. As powerful as Vader is, he’s still a life support patient
@@iamchrispaezjr yes the more powerful a force maneuver is they get tired but A simple force pole shouldn’t make them that tired to the point to where he couldn’t quickly pull down a second ship or at least hold it in place. And I’m not disputing the fact that Vader/Aniken was inpatient (Aniken more so than Vader) but still Darth Vader should have been able to hold both of those ships in quick succession.
@@chudbud7788 1. You literally don't know what convoluted means. 2. How did it degrade the entire series as a whole when it makes perfect sense that force users have a cooldown on their abilities?
This is why it actually pays to have a good editor that knows how to take what was directed and knows how to tell the same story better by simply trimming something unnecessary or arbitrary. Not only does this make way more sense, it's actually a better story.
@WiiManElite what is woke about obi wan? you’re thinking to much about it. the writers don’t care. they can do anything and still make tons of money. same with marvel now. they don’t give a fuck about the script or story making sense. they’re lazy, not trying to promote some agenda lol
@@hello-wl7pk blame kathleen for it she the one who ruined the bloody script from the original author who was going to make obi wan movie before Deborah chow directed it
@WiiManElite Reva is anything BUT woke. A badly written character for sure, but DEFINITELY NOT an example of “woke”. Hell if we had a “male version” of Reva (Revo) the result would’ve been the same (save for lack of “woke” comments every time we have a female lead be on screen). Pitiful Not to mention that she’s very much disliked by the rest of the Inquisitors that were in the show; Vader (and by extension the Grand Inquisitor) used her ambition and anger for their own use until they had no use for her. Now should she have survived as a Padawan? No. But it does make sense for a dark sider to survive getting STABBED BY THRIVING ON THAT PAIN TO FAN THEIR ANGER INTO HATEFILLED FUEL FOR SURVIVAL if only to lay retribution on their foes responsible for their defeat. Hell Starkiller was stabbed in the back, bashed around like a ragdoll and thrown out the window into space and he didn’t even die (close but he survived).
It was hard because the higher ups and the numbskull in charge of writing this show didn’t care. The writer literally hadn’t seen RotS, nor did he watch it in preparation, and somehow got and kept his job.
@WiiManElite being black and/or female doesn’t make a character woke lol. I don’t think she even succeeded in a single thing she did the entire show. The issue with her character is that it, along with a lot of the show, was just not written super well and was kinda annoying at parts, and that she (like every other character) took up as much if not more relevant screen time than the person the show is named after.
I’m sure it’s hard being an editor at Disney. They probably have at least 25 different guys breathing down your neck at once, not to mention those 25 people probably interchange the editing process every hour so
This is not the editor’s fault. As you see here, an edit fixed this scene. Someone wrote that scene and someone approved it, shot it, and added vfx to it. They all followed the script. The original editor worked with what they were provided and edited based off the script. That said, a movie is made three times, first in writing, then shooting, then editing. They shoulda realized what they wrote and shot wasn’t working and cut it down to what we saw here.
Tbf, this scene did play into the overarching theme of the show and this particular episode in general by showing Vader is still blinded by his hate. It was a nice callback to the flashback in this very episode and his characterization in AotC and RotS. The only character this edit really benefits is Reeva since she had a much better chance at defeating Vader while he was distracted instead of taking a swing at him after the transport was gone.
When first watching this I was SO confused why Reva took so long to sneak attack Vader. She waited until AFTER the ship took off, when he was no longer distracted. She waited too long and missed her opportunity. Yeah, the entire episode focused on Anakin's need to win and ability to be blinded by rage (via flashbacks), but still. I thought the decoy ship was cool, and showed that Obi-Wan is still capable of outsmarting his enemies, but there had to have been a way for the decoy ship and Reva attacking on time to both happen. The writing in this show was a bit sloppy and had a lot of potential, but tbh I still enjoyed it nonetheless.
I still think the scene where Vader actually successfully pull down the first ship and force rip it open should have been kept, and that Reva should have been there to stop Vader from force pulling down the second ship (while he was trying to do so). It wouldn't make that much of a difference compared to this edit but the "Vader ripping the ship apart" scene just felt too badass to be left out.
I wouldn't mind ship-ripping if they explain why he can't/doesn't do it later in his lifetime. I'd sacrifice a "badass" scene for one that makes sense.
If you insist on having the ripping of the ship in. I would say that it’s still possible after he defeats Reva. Imagine it: This scene, Reva and him fight. He wins, but instead of just stabbing her and inquisitor comes and they leave her, he picks her up with the force, stabs her, force pushes her across the hangar and leaves her for dead. Out of anger he grabs the other ship and tears it apart. Grand inquisitor shows up behind and tells him to have patience and calm down. Nothing is lost, we will find them. Tbh, I would’ve loved it to go like that following this scene. Like if you agree haha.
@@laisensei6984 I feel that it would’ve given a punchier feeling and insight towards Vaders rage and also a “Ahhh” moment of the inquisitor was introduced as I mentioned. Really insinuating that they were working together, then all that Reva dialogue wouldn’t have been necessary you know…
I like this edit and it makes sense and give Reeva a bit more impact. I liked the original though, it showed how Vader was still Anakin with the negative emotions that ultimately led to his descent. How it connected to the training montage was very clever.
I think the problem is they wanted Vader to be beaten by his Character Flaw, but the execution was just dumb because they really wanted that moment of Vader acknowledging that Obi beat him.
This is great BUT I have to say I'd much prefer the ship finally taking off intercut much sooner than it was. In this edit its held in stasis for a good 5-8 seconds for no reason. Still, great idea and talented in execution here mate.
Thanks! Yeah I see your point, for sure. I did a version where Vader just pushes Reva almost right away and it cuts to the take off but it felt too rushed, there was no breathing room. In my head the rebels needed that couple seconds to regain control over the ship and properly prepare it to take off again.
@@spikul perhaps a scene inside the ship where Kenobi heads to the front of the ship to see what’s going on and the pilots find some way of saying this? Ik that is a completely new scene that isn’t filmed but in a world where we made the show from the beginning. Perhaps it would replace those scenes where we just see the people inside the ship and Kenobi sitting there after Vader is distracted? It would easily explain why the ship was there for a few moments. Maybe Kenobi goes to the front and is like let’s go this is our chance, then Roken asks Kenobi how he knows, then it cuts to Vader telling Reva that Obi-Wan was wise to use her against him
@@spikul I mean it could just speak to his strength that he can hold it for a bit even while defending himself, but I guess a small indication of that would help like cutting between the sabre-lock and the ship slipping away slowly until he forces her off then it takes off.
I'm still not a big fan of Vader being able to hold a ship like that in the first place (Millenium Falcon being the obvious example), but I do like that this does actually tone down the ridiculousness of his power in the show by making him very slowly lower the ship as if he's struggling, and it adds a lot more stakes and weight to Reva's betrayal. If they'd tweaked her character in the scenes just before this, they could also have leant into the idea that she was afraid to reveal herself too early in case it got her killed. Especially if she died here, her revealing herself here in this moment to save both Obi-Wan and all those refugees would have been a very nice character arc. At least in comparison to what we usually get nowadays
I showed this to my scriptwriting students as an example of how important motive is when creating narrative conflict and paying it off. The non-fans couldn’t believe that your version wasn’t the one used in the actual show.
Yeah, and when they kidnapped leia. Instead of doing that weird ass chase In the woods it was more believable if they took her when she wasn’t aware of their presence. Kinda cliche but would make more sense. Lol
A lot of times I roll my eyes at "I fixed it" videos on TH-cam, specifically with Star Wars content... but this plays a lot better. The entire Kenobi series suffered from pacing/editing/sequencing issues. The story is good. The vfx shots are incredible. The edit... meh. Good work.
Much better!! Not gonna lie, It was cool seeing vader rip apart a ship with the force but to let the second ship get away and watch it go didn't make sense. This works much better and makes sense that he would be distracted. Makes for a better reveal of Reva and her "turn" to help the ship get away and gives more sympathy for the character (although it makes the ending of her about to chop down luke much muddier from a narrative standpoint). Now if only you could work on the script for the entire series.....
This 'fix' only makes sense in the specific context of this clip. The whole premise is that Obi Wan realises they are hopeless to defeat the empire in any sort of combat or seige. The whole episode has flashbacks to him training with ankain for this specific moment. Obi Wan realises, because he knows ankain so well, that he can be tricked by blinding him with rage. He knows Vader is already angry and to see Obi Wan attempting to slip out of his grasp again would drive him mad, hence Vader getting fooled by the fake lift off. The entire flashback scene reflects this and even at the very end Obi Wan says something to Anakin (I forget what exact words) that explain the entire premise of the scene if people couldn't get it before. I think the editing on this is cool, but it annoys me when people say this scene makes no sense
I mean, sure you point out the show’s reasoning for why the decoy tactic worked, but the presentation just makes Vader look like an idiot. Even while blinded by rage, he 1000% would have noticed the other ship starting up right next to where the decoy took off. This still offers a better take where as Obi-Wan knows his attempted escape would blind Anakin, his plan for Reva to turn against Vader would have a much better chance at catching Vader off guard, but Vader is allowed to still appear competent as he’s able to at least catch on last second and preserve his own life which was in eminent danger and would take precedence over his need to capture Obi-Wan in that moment. And if we’re to say “how would Obi-Wan know Reva would actually go through with it?” this can be answered with “hope” making this take work not only logically but also thematically.
You still get that theme in this version tho. Vader is blinded by his hatred of obi wan and his obsession to get to him that he doesn't sense reva preparing to strike him till she is ready to, and she is stopped by Vader who has to let Kenobi slip through his grasp yet again to deal with her betrayal. Vader is still portrayed as arrogant and fooled for being such a powerful force user yet not able to sense her approach him, or her internations to kill him till the very last second. On top of that we get to Vader not make the same mistake the grand inquisitor made, which could hint at Vader knowing of her transgression against the empire and planned to dispose of her later once he had Kenobi dealt with. Don't get me wrong the original scene is still a good scene, this version conveys the same message and theme while fitting just a tad better narratively.
I do like the bit where he tears the ship apart though. Do that whole thing, where they trick him with the second ship, but then have him catch the second ship once it's a bit further out and start pulling them back. Make the audience relieved that they tricked him, then back on the edge of their seat as they realize he can just pull the second ship anyway, then have reva pop out and attack him to allow them to escape.
Normally I enjoyed this Episode's original scene But to be honest, fixing it made it so much better and logical That Vader almost had Kenobi but then interrupted by Reva
Yea I never understood why she attacked him after he tried to keep the ship from departing instead of during 😂 Would have actually surprised him for one and two it would make more sense as to how Obi wan gets away, also brings up a question why didn't Vader just try to pull down the second ship like he did with the first one ?
Honestly, not only does this edit scene makes sense, but she should have died in a poetic and ironic fate (her being stabbed as a child, only to die in a form of a premonition). But her dying is also her redemption and being no longer at Vader’s control.
The problem with this is that it throws away the fact that Obi knew what Vader was going to do and outdid one more time himself making Anakin use an empty ship with the one spend most of his strength and escaping with the second one. That is also cool, I think.
It's cool he outsmarts him and gives another reason for Vader to hate him BUT it makes little sense for a Force wielder the likes of Vader to NOT know the ship was completely empty. Especially combined with the fact that in RotJ he knew EXACTLY which Imperial shuttle Luke was on out of the 1,000s flying around. So to me both versions are equally as good
@@Celtic505 He learned the lesson for RotJ after this scene 🌝, and it makes sense if you think that Vader is blinded by the Dark Side when he uses the Force with the first ship he sees departing. I’m pretty sure he didn’t even think or tried to sense what was inside of it before doing what he does.
@@barrymendonca Exactly. Reading all these "omg so much better", "wow Disney can't even do this" comments are mind-boggling. Goes to show, people have short memories and really just like to hate on anything given the chance Literally the whole fucking point of the episode was having Padawan Anakin + Obi Wan juxtaposed current time Darth Vader + Obi Wan to show how Obi Wan understands Anakin and hence knows how he will think. Great episode. I remember when everyone was praising it, and all of a sudden we get this. Jesus christ, some Star Wars fans man..
@@On_Brannd It's kinda sad you hate on everyone else for YOU lacking common sense. Being able to sense where someone is in the Force doesn't just show up out of nowhere. Vader is RIGHT IN FRONT OF the two ships, and would easily be able to tell which one was full of life forms. Before you go and rant about how everyone else is stupid, maybe take 2 seconds to use basic critical thinking skills. Or at the very least quit whining about how every opinion you dislike must be some drone with no ability to keep an open mind.
@@Espartanica Maybe read my post. It's clear you don't understand the episode either. The flashback was meant to be juxtaposed with the current events unraveling between the two. It highlights the fact that even years later, Kenobi is still "the master" and knows how to counter Anakin (now Vader). And for your "but he's right in front of it and could sense it". Dude, he is literally enraged with anger. Idk about you, but it's very common for people - especially one with force abilities - to be overcome by their emotions and let their anger overtake logical processes. When emotions are high , logic is low. It again reiterates the fact Kenobi's cool head led to his ability to outplay Vader. You have to remember, this is a younger, inexperienced Vader. He's not the calm, collected, cerebral Vader from the OT. Makes sense? Let me know. Thanks pal
nice job with the scene but the badass moment of vader tearing through the ship was great too, maybe having shown the second ship in the background would have been better for the show mut well done on your editing skills
It is in the background. Its in the far right. I didn’t see it too until someone pointed it out. The problem is that they made the lighting so dark that the viewer could barley see it.
@brug master the purpose of the flashback in the episode was to establish Vader’s need to win blinds him. That’s why he’s not realizing the ship is empty and it’s a nice callback to why he lost on Mustafar.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 but it makes no sense. You bringing up mustafar destroys your whole point since mustafar is how Vader learned humility, to never underestimate his opponent no matter what, and that he needs to retool himself so that it never happens again. Why is Vader unlearning what he had learned? Why are we treading old ground? This series is so dumb.
@@unknownsith2071 tbf, it was never explicity showcased that the duel on Mustafar taught Vader anything. From what I’ve seen, he only learned not to underestimate Obi Wan from that duel and that is something that carries over into the Kenobi series. Keep in mind Vader underestimates Luke during their Bespin duel which was what allowed Luke to actually strike Vader on the shoulder. So Vader seemingly has difficulty learning from his mistake. One might even go so far as to call him a “slow learner”.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 Its impact on him is never stated bc it doesnt need to be. The effect SHOWN cannot be overstated though. Vader living in the suit is a daily reminder of that loss, it humbles him, which is covered in Lords Of The Sith. Why do you think Vader retooled his whole style afterwards? That fight taught him to never rely on raw power or skill, and to never underestimate his opponent regardless of Vaders own skill. The ANH fight made more sense originally since Vader says I'm the master now clearly implying hes been perfecting himself since and wont underestimate Kenobi again. But now the Kenobi series undoes all that and makes it make less sense and less interesting. Vader was so affected by mustafar that he was never the same mentally. Vaders confident, but he can never have the same overconfidence again as his most traumatic loss was due to arrogance.
makes 10x more sense with that edit. truthfully the whole show was riding nostalgia and sure it was nice and all but there were definitely elements that could have used improvement. another edit that would be great is seeing obi wan and Vader fight again but no shaky camera. like it isn't needed to intensify a duel. that's what made EPIII duel even better.
I disagree. The entire theme of the episode and the flashbacks was showing that anakins ambition and impulsivity is his undoing. Obi wan says to him in the flashback “your need for victory blinds you”. That was the point that once again he was blinded by a “sure thing” that he neglected to survey the scene and conserve his energy.
Completely agree but you know the Vader fanboys can't have their man looking like a dummy, even for character arc purposes. Even if they're the same ones who complain Rey has no character arc...oh the irony, it hurts.
Mustafar taught him that. This show makes no sense and only does if you only watch the movies. The comics show Vader learning humility after mustafar so the writers fucked up 💀
I love this but I also love the original scene. This isn’t the Darth Vader we know from the OT. He’s not there yet, and showing him grabbing the wrong ship really captures that. It showed that he was still being blinded by his anger, and he was still growing to become the Darth Vader we know.
My favorite part of the whole Kenobi show experience was getting chewed out on the internet for not liking this scene by people who did like it... This cut is TREMENDOUSLY BETTER!!!
Both are a problem, but I saw way more toxic positivity than negativity. If someone offers a fair criticism of the show they don't deserve to be called any type of "ist" or "phobe". We are losing track of how to speak to each other as people in general, and it's very concerning.
You know this scene would have been even better if when Vader was pulling the ship and about to get stabbed in the back, he managed to crush it partially which then results in the mysteriously and inconveniently damaged hyperdrive in later scene
Woooow this makes a thousand times more sense than her just walking up when he’s completely unoccupied and trying to strike him down as if he doesn’t have the force.. this makes him look stronger also for dealing with the ship and noticing her attack.
The problem with this show is that it mostly just requires many simpler alterations like this.
Yeah, i dont this show is bad, but it had potential to be so much better
The show works better as a movie. The Patterson Cut proves it, cutting away a large chunk of unneeded filler.
It's fine as it is. The scene had a point to it...
@@bestintheworld568 What point was the original scene? The above edit actually makes more sense than the original version since Vader would have been able to sense that Kenobi was onboard the ship he had ahold of (much like he sense Kenobi being on the shuttle much later) and not get duped into grabbing ahold of a ship that has no lifeforms aboard it.
@Darth Desec It does. It lacks too much of the original Star Wars music in it, the soundtrack is mediocre at best.
You even take out the Reva scream before she tries to kill Vader too. 10/10
I kinda like her scream tbh lol, awkward but awesome at the same time
@@mistera2834 for movie purposes, but doesn’t make a whole lot of sense
@@batvader6894 I mean she’s angry and trying to use her anger to fuel her strength in the dark side but obviously Vader is wayyyyy angrier
@@Autumnssslove I understand that, but common sense also says don’t scream before you assassinate someone
@@batvader6894 She didn't scream when before she tried to assassinate him. She screamed after he had already blocked her attack and knew she was there because she had no reason to hide her anger and resentment towards him anymore.
This makes a LOT more sense than what we got in the show.
There are a lot of things in that show that didn't make sense...
@@Robert_Westwood Like how lightsabers don't chop people up because Disney doesn't want to show it, and some time in the middle of the show a stormtrooper gets gruesomely split in half, and Vader snaps a kid's neck on cam.
@@cryokinesis420 funny, because a stormtroopers got split in half in this show
@@farawaygaming_ Exactly, if youre gonna go with it, do it with lightsabers as well
@Nick to be fair, stormtroopers wear armor for a reaason, maybe you would have to swing alot harder than that. i mean the stormtrooper fell down onto the laser.
I’ll inprint this scene in my memory as being canon.
Same
Nothing Disney has made and will make regarding Star Wars will be canon....... Nothing!
@@HelloMyFriend_ you do you bruv
@@HelloMyFriend_ Heh lol ok.
Hehe go watch Rey and Kylo get their freak on
This is SO MUCH BETTER it's insane. It makes Vader actually imposing, rather than a blinded by rage idiot, and it makes her betrayal actually work, instead of her showing up AFTER he's no longer distracted.
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I have something to tell you about Vader..........
I see your point, but I think what they wanted to do is highlight how emotionally charged dark side users are. Even Sidious has encouraged Darth Vader to be emotional through manipulation and other grooming techniques. Unfortunately, despite how powerful he may be, Vader's source of strength, his emotional nature, is ironically also his greatest weakness.
Just my interpretation, but would love to hear others' opinions.
Idk if you guys have watched the Clone Wars series, but Anakin's emotional nature is highly emphasized as being the reason he turned to the dark side anyway. I may be preaching to the choir though so forgive me if I am.
@@0xdamian595 The dark side isn't about being emotionally charged nor letting ur emotions be rampant anymore than the light side is about having no emotions or completely controlling your emotions. The dark side is about channeling negative emotions into power. It's not about channeling any emotion or else the Dark side could just as easily be about how cute baby Yoda is. As for the Clone Wars and pretty much every single piece of Star Wars media it wasn't about Anakin's emotional nature being the reason why he turned to the dark side. It was his arrogance, headstrong stubbornness mixed in with the fact that he was unable to let go of his attachments that lead him to the dark side.
The fact that they didn't do it like this is insane, IT WORKS so well, and makes so much more sense
That’s Disney Star Wars for you. One thoughtless mishap after another.
And what sense is that?
@@ddm62571 the sense in the fact that if vader brings down one ship with ease, why not do the same for the other
If u want to "fix" the obi-wan kenobi show just delete it.
The fact that this small change makes Vader and Reva look smarter is crazy. Well done!
It was good but isnt that crazy, the show was utter dogshit. It really isnt hard to think of many ways to make sense of many scenes that didnt.
It’s frustrating that simple little changes like this would make the show infinitely better. These mistakes could have been avoided so easily
One of the best Vader moments in all of Star Wars is him tearing up the ship and that gets cut here. And it's not like Vader being too focused on one target to react to another wasn't literally set up earlier in the episode.
@@shearman360 That scene alone creates a massive plothole in the original trilogy and Rogue One.
There are multiple instances where Vader clearly wants a ship and does nothing to try and stop it's flight.
-The Tantive IV in Rogue One
-Han fleeing on Hoth.
Hell why didn't he pull down the second ship in the hanger from Obi-wan?!!
It's taking off just like the last one and in the original cut Reva is nowhere near him.
It's just bad writing all around, like most everything Disney has done with Star Wars.
@@dondoesdoodles9726 Vader isn't in his prime during the original trilogy. He loses a duel to a kid who trained in a swamp for a few weeks I doubt he had the strength to stop a moving ship. As I already said he doesn't stop the 2nd ship because he doesn't react in time. Kenobi literally tells Reva that he knows Vader won't be suspecting a surprise because he's so focused on how he thinks it will play out. Hell there's even flashbacks to prove his point.
@@shearman360 seriously, one of the best? I doubt it, especially considering he basically got fooled there... in fact throughout this show they make vader seem like a fool tbh
@@420K Yeah he got fooled, and? The flashbacks throughout the episode show that he's arrogant and doesn't plan for surprises. Vader isn't a genius, Palpatine managed to turn him against his best friend of 20 years in just a few days.
This works so well I don't even remember what the original was.
Me either
There was a second ship and Reva didn’t attack until after the ship got away … it was … bad. Vader ripping open the first ship with the force was a cool moment but not enough to salvage it.
@@JumbleJammyJokes Sincere thanks for allowing me to skip rewatching any part of that show. I also had no recollection of what happened originally.
It’s sort of what the script and narrative ACTUALLY set up, too, with Kenobi using Reva to distract Vader so they could escape. It was the whole point so it makes so much more sense this way.
Yep this is exactly how I thought this scene should've went. Well done.
LOL this is even sort of what her and Obi Wan discussed they were going to do.
No you didn't
It still doesn’t work. Vader didn’t stop the falcon.
Now to fix the scene where Obi-Wan tries to smuggle a full 10 year old off an imperial base in a trench coat like a Looney tunes character
@@justinmacarrhur1924 thought that was how it should've went too
That totally makes that scene much better. Looking forward to other fixes like showing where the speeders went, because they simply showed up, flew inside, and were back outside again. At the speed they were flying and distance to the wall, they should've splattered the wall like a bug on a windshield.
Honestly, just cut ep4 entirely. It's unfixable. Just make Leia meet the pilot in ep3 without Reva teleporting and then make the Empire chase Obi-Wan.
which speeders?
@@niteshmurti The two air speeders that came to their rescue at Imperial base.
@@JohnFourtyTwo Oh okay 😁
@@niteshmurti wade and sully
I like the idea of obiwan using brains to defeat vader, but this is more emotionally charged, and it gives a reason for Reva to reveal herself to vader
Yep. Brains and clear mind.. the last fight was weird bc he was just using brute force
The ending of the last fight scene didn't make any sense either
Anakin was already more powerful than obiwan and was only defeated by obiwan because he got outsmarted
Vader is much more powerful than mustafar anakin and obiwan here is weaker than mustafar obi wan
Obi wan should've won by outsmarting him again with a game plan (vader is still the learner and kenobi is the master would still fit very well)
Rather than straight up overpowering which is just illogigal
Obi wan shouldve won by outsmarting him, buying enough time for the refugees and escape himself at the end and fake his own the death maybe so vader/anakin stops the hunt for kenobi.
The emotional dialogue couldve still happened in this alternate scene.
This wouldve made much more sense than obi wan suddenly becoming immensely more powerful defeating vader by brute force but not kill him at the end.
@@rookyphenom1 no Obi wan won because his usual style is defensive but he ent aggressive and Vader wasn’t prepared
@@rookyphenom1 I wouldn’t say it was brute force. It was simply better swordsmanship aside from the rock barrage thing. But that wasn’t what gave him the win.
Just as the flashback dictated, Anakin always thinks he’s won, and let’s his Guard down to the point of having a loss. He thought he killed Obiwan by crushing him to death, left, and let his guard down again letting Obi Wan Larry Kenobi outsmart him again, using a Anakin’s over confidence to snag the win yet again.
Uh, obiwan just sat there.
It’s such a small and simplistic change, but totally, it works so much better
right, because he would surely be able to feel the presence of obi in the ship. their force connection was very strong
He wouldn't have wasted his time on an empty ship, he can sense Obi-Wan from a LONG ways away
Why does this sound dirty may be my fucked up mind
@@God_of_the_cringeyou need to let the p addiction go my man it's not worth it
@@ikesters6697 look I said that for shits and giggles and it wasn't funny looking back at it
@@God_of_the_cringe I thought it was funny lol but I'm just looking out for a brother is all
This is the ultimate proof that giving an unchecked free hand to a single person to write stuff is a terrible idea. One meeting with "wait, what if we did it that way?" repeated multiple timees would fix a lot of problems of this show.
nonsense. this clip is the result of an unchecked free hand given to a single person.
if anything, this is proof that no matter how creative or accomplished your team is (Lucasfilm), producers will override talent and get whatever they want.
@@Icemario87 no, because thousands of people thought that this was smarter when we watched the scene first, I for one always questioned why reva attacked when Vader was unoccupied, and why Vader didn't stop the second ship
we're talking about creative license, what are you referring to?
@@ahumanperson231thousands of people didn’t come together and make this simple edit, one guy did
So literally every novelist ever is a bad idea?
I still loved when Vader pulled down the ship and rips it open
That scene is nice.
But the rest doesn't make sense
You're right. The only thing is is how that ship tool of without a pilot, why couldn't we clearly see the other shop and how Vader isn't that stupid to stop a ship with no people inside. He should have been able to sense it.
@@exurii5844 he could sense a load of people and then saw a ship take off. Of course he’s going to be mistaken, you can also see the second ship in that scene. I don’t get what the issue is at all
@@obiwankenobi687 Hi
@@fatihazzamal-ghifari7010 droid, preprogrammed flight, autopilot, a hack etc? All things we know exist in the universe. If it can be explained away by common sense it’s perfectly fine. We don’t need our hand held through every scene or everything explained to us when it doesn’t need to be
The ideal compromise in my opinion is he takes the ship, tears it apart, and when the second ship starts to take off, you have this happen where she interrupts him.
Dude I always knew that she should’ve attack when he is bringing the ship down, it just feels right
Honestly this was a better choice than having the second ship escape it’s like he still has access to the force there’s nothing taking up his force prowess right now he could just rip it right out of the sky. However having the inquisitors attack him from behind and having him stop her blade with the force was a good choice.
@@mindcraftful no it’s not. The entire point of the episode was to show Anakin/Vader’s impatience, hence the training at the beginning. And canon wise, all force users have a cool down on their abilities because it’s exhausting to use the force. As powerful as Vader is, he’s still a life support patient
@@iamchrispaezjr yes the more powerful a force maneuver is they get tired but A simple force pole shouldn’t make them that tired to the point to where he couldn’t quickly pull down a second ship or at least hold it in place. And I’m not disputing the fact that Vader/Aniken was inpatient (Aniken more so than Vader) but still Darth Vader should have been able to hold both of those ships in quick succession.
@@iamchrispaezjr It's stupid, convoluted, and degrades the entire series as a whole
@@chudbud7788 1. You literally don't know what convoluted means. 2. How did it degrade the entire series as a whole when it makes perfect sense that force users have a cooldown on their abilities?
Amazing how such a small change made two comically bad scenes into one badass and much more coherent scene.
This is why it actually pays to have a good editor that knows how to take what was directed and knows how to tell the same story better by simply trimming something unnecessary or arbitrary. Not only does this make way more sense, it's actually a better story.
Why is this so hard for Disney to do. This was spot on.
@WiiManElite what is woke about obi wan? you’re thinking to much about it. the writers don’t care. they can do anything and still make tons of money. same with marvel now. they don’t give a fuck about the script or story making sense. they’re lazy, not trying to promote some agenda lol
@@hello-wl7pk blame kathleen for it she the one who ruined the bloody script from the original author who was going to make obi wan movie before Deborah chow directed it
@WiiManElite Reva is anything BUT woke. A badly written character for sure, but DEFINITELY NOT an example of “woke”. Hell if we had a “male version” of Reva (Revo) the result would’ve been the same (save for lack of “woke” comments every time we have a female lead be on screen). Pitiful
Not to mention that she’s very much disliked by the rest of the Inquisitors that were in the show; Vader (and by extension the Grand Inquisitor) used her ambition and anger for their own use until they had no use for her.
Now should she have survived as a Padawan? No. But it does make sense for a dark sider to survive getting STABBED BY THRIVING ON THAT PAIN TO FAN THEIR ANGER INTO HATEFILLED FUEL FOR SURVIVAL if only to lay retribution on their foes responsible for their defeat. Hell Starkiller was stabbed in the back, bashed around like a ragdoll and thrown out the window into space and he didn’t even die (close but he survived).
It was hard because the higher ups and the numbskull in charge of writing this show didn’t care. The writer literally hadn’t seen RotS, nor did he watch it in preparation, and somehow got and kept his job.
@WiiManElite being black and/or female doesn’t make a character woke lol. I don’t think she even succeeded in a single thing she did the entire show. The issue with her character is that it, along with a lot of the show, was just not written super well and was kinda annoying at parts, and that she (like every other character) took up as much if not more relevant screen time than the person the show is named after.
I thought this would be a funny edit but you actually did fix this scene. Way more smooth and believable this way.
Wow. That was actually much better, and not overly burdensome. Simplified the scene without taking anything away. Fantastic job
I mean it took away the excellent shots of Vader violently ripping the ship apart
this makes WAY more sense but i loved seeing Vader rip the ship apart
Thats a good start. Now do that for every scene in the series and we'll be all set
It's like you were paying attention to the script. It's too bad the editors of the actual show were not. Well done my friend.
I’m sure it’s hard being an editor at Disney. They probably have at least 25 different guys breathing down your neck at once, not to mention those 25 people probably interchange the editing process every hour so
not the editor, it was just a bad script
This is not the editor’s fault. As you see here, an edit fixed this scene. Someone wrote that scene and someone approved it, shot it, and added vfx to it. They all followed the script. The original editor worked with what they were provided and edited based off the script.
That said, a movie is made three times, first in writing, then shooting, then editing. They shoulda realized what they wrote and shot wasn’t working and cut it down to what we saw here.
Tbf, this scene did play into the overarching theme of the show and this particular episode in general by showing Vader is still blinded by his hate. It was a nice callback to the flashback in this very episode and his characterization in AotC and RotS.
The only character this edit really benefits is Reeva since she had a much better chance at defeating Vader while he was distracted instead of taking a swing at him after the transport was gone.
@@GR33NY Oh well pick a new profession then.
When first watching this I was SO confused why Reva took so long to sneak attack Vader. She waited until AFTER the ship took off, when he was no longer distracted. She waited too long and missed her opportunity. Yeah, the entire episode focused on Anakin's need to win and ability to be blinded by rage (via flashbacks), but still. I thought the decoy ship was cool, and showed that Obi-Wan is still capable of outsmarting his enemies, but there had to have been a way for the decoy ship and Reva attacking on time to both happen. The writing in this show was a bit sloppy and had a lot of potential, but tbh I still enjoyed it nonetheless.
This just made the show more enjoyable, thank you
It's been a year and I still couldn't have imagined a more perfect edit.
As much as I love seeing him rip into a shuttle, this is SO MUCH BETTER
Wow! Makes kenobi look like he knows what he’s doing. Brilliant edit!!!
That makes SO MUCH SENSE!
Also, the way that you added John William's hypothetical score is great
I still think the scene where Vader actually successfully pull down the first ship and force rip it open should have been kept, and that Reva should have been there to stop Vader from force pulling down the second ship (while he was trying to do so). It wouldn't make that much of a difference compared to this edit but the "Vader ripping the ship apart" scene just felt too badass to be left out.
I wouldn't mind ship-ripping if they explain why he can't/doesn't do it later in his lifetime. I'd sacrifice a "badass" scene for one that makes sense.
@@SmallGreenPlanetoid Do you mean when the Millenium Falcon escapes from Hoth?
If you insist on having the ripping of the ship in. I would say that it’s still possible after he defeats Reva.
Imagine it:
This scene, Reva and him fight. He wins, but instead of just stabbing her and inquisitor comes and they leave her, he picks her up with the force, stabs her, force pushes her across the hangar and leaves her for dead.
Out of anger he grabs the other ship and tears it apart. Grand inquisitor shows up behind and tells him to have patience and calm down. Nothing is lost, we will find them.
Tbh, I would’ve loved it to go like that following this scene. Like if you agree haha.
@@pieterbernardus5511 Not a bad idea. Shows us how ill-tempered a young Vader is and his feats at the same time.
@@laisensei6984 I feel that it would’ve given a punchier feeling and insight towards Vaders rage and also a “Ahhh” moment of the inquisitor was introduced as I mentioned. Really insinuating that they were working together, then all that Reva dialogue wouldn’t have been necessary you know…
I like this edit and it makes sense and give Reeva a bit more impact.
I liked the original though, it showed how Vader was still Anakin with the negative emotions that ultimately led to his descent. How it connected to the training montage was very clever.
That was awesome editing skills congrats
I think the problem is they wanted Vader to be beaten by his Character Flaw, but the execution was just dumb because they really wanted that moment of Vader acknowledging that Obi beat him.
Well done :) This puzzled me as well but your attempt on fixing this is flawless!
THIS MAKES SO SO SO MUCH MORE SENSE
This is better for so so so many reasons
This so good i don’t even remember how the original went. Flowed really well💯
This is such a good edit. Perfectly fixes the weird discrepancy in the show.
This is great BUT I have to say I'd much prefer the ship finally taking off intercut much sooner than it was. In this edit its held in stasis for a good 5-8 seconds for no reason.
Still, great idea and talented in execution here mate.
Thanks! Yeah I see your point, for sure.
I did a version where Vader just pushes Reva almost right away and it cuts to the take off but it felt too rushed, there was no breathing room.
In my head the rebels needed that couple seconds to regain control over the ship and properly prepare it to take off again.
@@spikul perhaps a scene inside the ship where Kenobi heads to the front of the ship to see what’s going on and the pilots find some way of saying this? Ik that is a completely new scene that isn’t filmed but in a world where we made the show from the beginning. Perhaps it would replace those scenes where we just see the people inside the ship and Kenobi sitting there after Vader is distracted? It would easily explain why the ship was there for a few moments.
Maybe Kenobi goes to the front and is like let’s go this is our chance, then Roken asks Kenobi how he knows, then it cuts to Vader telling Reva that Obi-Wan was wise to use her against him
@@spikul I mean it could just speak to his strength that he can hold it for a bit even while defending himself, but I guess a small indication of that would help like cutting between the sabre-lock and the ship slipping away slowly until he forces her off then it takes off.
this is how i’m going to remember it in my head
I'm still not a big fan of Vader being able to hold a ship like that in the first place (Millenium Falcon being the obvious example), but I do like that this does actually tone down the ridiculousness of his power in the show by making him very slowly lower the ship as if he's struggling, and it adds a lot more stakes and weight to Reva's betrayal. If they'd tweaked her character in the scenes just before this, they could also have leant into the idea that she was afraid to reveal herself too early in case it got her killed. Especially if she died here, her revealing herself here in this moment to save both Obi-Wan and all those refugees would have been a very nice character arc. At least in comparison to what we usually get nowadays
And also the ship with Leia and the stolen plans in Rogue One.
That was beautifully fixed. Very well done my friend.
This is exactly what I was hoping someone was eventually going to make an edit of. Great job!
I showed this to my scriptwriting students as an example of how important motive is when creating narrative conflict and paying it off.
The non-fans couldn’t believe that your version wasn’t the one used in the actual show.
God it's kinda insane how a little change like this makes the moment like ten times better.
it's so easy, all it takes is very minor editing and the scene doesnt suck anymore. the power of editing.
This works so well. Some simple editing could of made this show great.
I liked the show but yeah, a lot of it could be improved and you fucking nailed it with this scene
Ok.
@@Marvelfanatic3658 Thanks SpongeBob I'm glad you approve
Yeah, and when they kidnapped leia.
Instead of doing that weird ass chase In the woods it was more believable if they took her when she wasn’t aware of their presence. Kinda cliche but would make more sense. Lol
@@HiroGamerXJ that was the worst scene in a star wars project I have ever seen. That it was approved is embarassing
@@paulmokros1766 nah hiding leia under the coat was the worst lol
A lot of times I roll my eyes at "I fixed it" videos on TH-cam, specifically with Star Wars content... but this plays a lot better. The entire Kenobi series suffered from pacing/editing/sequencing issues. The story is good. The vfx shots are incredible. The edit... meh. Good work.
The entire show needs fixes like this for all the illogical bs throughout. Great edit!
It's such a simple alteration, and it makes it so much better.
Much better!! Not gonna lie, It was cool seeing vader rip apart a ship with the force but to let the second ship get away and watch it go didn't make sense. This works much better and makes sense that he would be distracted. Makes for a better reveal of Reva and her "turn" to help the ship get away and gives more sympathy for the character (although it makes the ending of her about to chop down luke much muddier from a narrative standpoint). Now if only you could work on the script for the entire series.....
I'm still convinced he totally could've force held them both in place
This 'fix' only makes sense in the specific context of this clip. The whole premise is that Obi Wan realises they are hopeless to defeat the empire in any sort of combat or seige. The whole episode has flashbacks to him training with ankain for this specific moment. Obi Wan realises, because he knows ankain so well, that he can be tricked by blinding him with rage. He knows Vader is already angry and to see Obi Wan attempting to slip out of his grasp again would drive him mad, hence Vader getting fooled by the fake lift off. The entire flashback scene reflects this and even at the very end Obi Wan says something to Anakin (I forget what exact words) that explain the entire premise of the scene if people couldn't get it before.
I think the editing on this is cool, but it annoys me when people say this scene makes no sense
This comment right here perfectly sums it up
I mean, sure you point out the show’s reasoning for why the decoy tactic worked, but the presentation just makes Vader look like an idiot. Even while blinded by rage, he 1000% would have noticed the other ship starting up right next to where the decoy took off. This still offers a better take where as Obi-Wan knows his attempted escape would blind Anakin, his plan for Reva to turn against Vader would have a much better chance at catching Vader off guard, but Vader is allowed to still appear competent as he’s able to at least catch on last second and preserve his own life which was in eminent danger and would take precedence over his need to capture Obi-Wan in that moment. And if we’re to say “how would Obi-Wan know Reva would actually go through with it?” this can be answered with “hope” making this take work not only logically but also thematically.
You still get that theme in this version tho.
Vader is blinded by his hatred of obi wan and his obsession to get to him that he doesn't sense reva preparing to strike him till she is ready to, and she is stopped by Vader who has to let Kenobi slip through his grasp yet again to deal with her betrayal. Vader is still portrayed as arrogant and fooled for being such a powerful force user yet not able to sense her approach him, or her internations to kill him till the very last second. On top of that we get to Vader not make the same mistake the grand inquisitor made, which could hint at Vader knowing of her transgression against the empire and planned to dispose of her later once he had Kenobi dealt with.
Don't get me wrong the original scene is still a good scene, this version conveys the same message and theme while fitting just a tad better narratively.
This does the same thing without being as logically nonsensicle?
Except Vader can literally feel Obi Wan presence
I thought this was gonna be a parody, but that was a far better edit than the real one.
wow ! these little changes make the scene far more dramatic than the original. Good job
wow can you rework the whole show
I do like the bit where he tears the ship apart though. Do that whole thing, where they trick him with the second ship, but then have him catch the second ship once it's a bit further out and start pulling them back. Make the audience relieved that they tricked him, then back on the edge of their seat as they realize he can just pull the second ship anyway, then have reva pop out and attack him to allow them to escape.
Vader is not that powerful. If he can do that, why didn't he just rip people apart? Why didn't he stop the Falcon in ESB and Tantive4 in Rogue One?
@@Сайтамен force and stuff
@@praserdanser5407 bad writing and stuff
@@Сайтамен basically the force. Need a reason for Vader not to kill someone? The force
@@praserdanser5407 Plot armour you mean
jesus christ why do i see tons of videos where people who dont work for the billion company does better work than THEM!!!
Absolutely masterful... well done!
Dude,this is way better than the original cut
Normally I enjoyed this Episode's original scene
But to be honest, fixing it made it so much better and logical
That Vader almost had Kenobi but then interrupted by Reva
Reva is BOUND to be killed after this. So, this fixing leads us to another fixing of the whole ep 6 🤣
@@drugaddicter she should have been dead by now because of the fortress raid the episode before this
I literally paused it on my first watch and rewound to see where the FUCK this second ship came from. Such a dumb plan. Dumb dumb dumbbbbb.
Which makes this fixed scene a lot better
I did the same, for such a large ship the shadows "hid" it quite well...lol.
Yea I never understood why she attacked him after he tried to keep the ship from departing instead of during 😂
Would have actually surprised him for one and two it would make more sense as to how Obi wan gets away, also brings up a question
why didn't Vader just try to pull down the second ship like he did with the first one ?
Honestly, not only does this edit scene makes sense, but she should have died in a poetic and ironic fate (her being stabbed as a child, only to die in a form of a premonition). But her dying is also her redemption and being no longer at Vader’s control.
Nahhh what the hell, this is literally the perfect solution why the hell did all the writers on the show not think of this
The problem with this is that it throws away the fact that Obi knew what Vader was going to do and outdid one more time himself making Anakin use an empty ship with the one spend most of his strength and escaping with the second one. That is also cool, I think.
It's cool he outsmarts him and gives another reason for Vader to hate him BUT it makes little sense for a Force wielder the likes of Vader to NOT know the ship was completely empty. Especially combined with the fact that in RotJ he knew EXACTLY which Imperial shuttle Luke was on out of the 1,000s flying around. So to me both versions are equally as good
@@Celtic505 He learned the lesson for RotJ after this scene 🌝, and it makes sense if you think that Vader is blinded by the Dark Side when he uses the Force with the first ship he sees departing. I’m pretty sure he didn’t even think or tried to sense what was inside of it before doing what he does.
@@barrymendonca Exactly. Reading all these "omg so much better", "wow Disney can't even do this" comments are mind-boggling. Goes to show, people have short memories and really just like to hate on anything given the chance
Literally the whole fucking point of the episode was having Padawan Anakin + Obi Wan juxtaposed current time Darth Vader + Obi Wan to show how Obi Wan understands Anakin and hence knows how he will think. Great episode. I remember when everyone was praising it, and all of a sudden we get this. Jesus christ, some Star Wars fans man..
@@On_Brannd It's kinda sad you hate on everyone else for YOU lacking common sense. Being able to sense where someone is in the Force doesn't just show up out of nowhere. Vader is RIGHT IN FRONT OF the two ships, and would easily be able to tell which one was full of life forms.
Before you go and rant about how everyone else is stupid, maybe take 2 seconds to use basic critical thinking skills. Or at the very least quit whining about how every opinion you dislike must be some drone with no ability to keep an open mind.
@@Espartanica Maybe read my post. It's clear you don't understand the episode either.
The flashback was meant to be juxtaposed with the current events unraveling between the two. It highlights the fact that even years later, Kenobi is still "the master" and knows how to counter Anakin (now Vader).
And for your "but he's right in front of it and could sense it". Dude, he is literally enraged with anger. Idk about you, but it's very common for people - especially one with force abilities - to be overcome by their emotions and let their anger overtake logical processes. When emotions are high , logic is low.
It again reiterates the fact Kenobi's cool head led to his ability to outplay Vader. You have to remember, this is a younger, inexperienced Vader. He's not the calm, collected, cerebral Vader from the OT.
Makes sense? Let me know. Thanks pal
nice job with the scene but the badass moment of vader tearing through the ship was great too, maybe having shown the second ship in the background would have been better for the show mut well done on your editing skills
It is in the background. Its in the far right. I didn’t see it too until someone pointed it out. The problem is that they made the lighting so dark that the viewer could barley see it.
oooooooooooohhhh, thank you, this is the one thing i didnt know about this scene. bit odd tho
Never sacrifice the story for cool.
It removes the full wrath and awesomeness we see in Vader in this scene tho
@brug master the purpose of the flashback in the episode was to establish Vader’s need to win blinds him. That’s why he’s not realizing the ship is empty and it’s a nice callback to why he lost on Mustafar.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 but it makes no sense. You bringing up mustafar destroys your whole point since mustafar is how Vader learned humility, to never underestimate his opponent no matter what, and that he needs to retool himself so that it never happens again. Why is Vader unlearning what he had learned? Why are we treading old ground? This series is so dumb.
@@unknownsith2071 tbf, it was never explicity showcased that the duel on Mustafar taught Vader anything. From what I’ve seen, he only learned not to underestimate Obi Wan from that duel and that is something that carries over into the Kenobi series.
Keep in mind Vader underestimates Luke during their Bespin duel which was what allowed Luke to actually strike Vader on the shoulder. So Vader seemingly has difficulty learning from his mistake. One might even go so far as to call him a “slow learner”.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 Its impact on him is never stated bc it doesnt need to be. The effect SHOWN cannot be overstated though. Vader living in the suit is a daily reminder of that loss, it humbles him, which is covered in Lords Of The Sith. Why do you think Vader retooled his whole style afterwards? That fight taught him to never rely on raw power or skill, and to never underestimate his opponent regardless of Vaders own skill. The ANH fight made more sense originally since Vader says I'm the master now clearly implying hes been perfecting himself since and wont underestimate Kenobi again. But now the Kenobi series undoes all that and makes it make less sense and less interesting. Vader was so affected by mustafar that he was never the same mentally. Vaders confident, but he can never have the same overconfidence again as his most traumatic loss was due to arrogance.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 Also, Vader never underestimates Luke? Luke got a lucky hit on a toying Vader. That's not underestimating him.
makes 10x more sense with that edit. truthfully the whole show was riding nostalgia and sure it was nice and all but there were definitely elements that could have used improvement.
another edit that would be great is seeing obi wan and Vader fight again but no shaky camera. like it isn't needed to intensify a duel. that's what made EPIII duel even better.
This is actually a very good edit! Makes more sense and has a very good pace.
I disagree. The entire theme of the episode and the flashbacks was showing that anakins ambition and impulsivity is his undoing. Obi wan says to him in the flashback “your need for victory blinds you”. That was the point that once again he was blinded by a “sure thing” that he neglected to survey the scene and conserve his energy.
Bingo!
Completely agree but you know the Vader fanboys can't have their man looking like a dummy, even for character arc purposes.
Even if they're the same ones who complain Rey has no character arc...oh the irony, it hurts.
@@bestintheworld568 As a Vader fan, it's annoying when people think Vader perfect at everything he does.
Exactly!
Mustafar taught him that. This show makes no sense and only does if you only watch the movies. The comics show Vader learning humility after mustafar so the writers fucked up 💀
I love this but I also love the original scene. This isn’t the Darth Vader we know from the OT. He’s not there yet, and showing him grabbing the wrong ship really captures that. It showed that he was still being blinded by his anger, and he was still growing to become the Darth Vader we know.
"This isn’t the Darth Vader we know from the OT" yeah, the Vader fron the OT wasn't able to stop starships with the Force
In this scene and original scenes are great. We did see the full power of Darth Vader in the screen. So no one should complain about it.
This really did make the scene better 😅
Beautifully just made this show 10x better
My favorite part of the whole Kenobi show experience was getting chewed out on the internet for not liking this scene by people who did like it... This cut is TREMENDOUSLY BETTER!!!
People who liked this show had a similar experience being mocked by those who didn’t like the show.
Both are a problem, but I saw way more toxic positivity than negativity. If someone offers a fair criticism of the show they don't deserve to be called any type of "ist" or "phobe". We are losing track of how to speak to each other as people in general, and it's very concerning.
@@FirstCastMedia I was called a Disney shill by multiple people.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 Even if you liked it we deserved way better with this show... Like WAYYYY better.
@@FirstCastMedia it is what it is. It needed another draft to fix some minor stuff but overall it was a fairly enjoyable show.
Thank you! I've had this exact scenario in my head ever since the show came out.
This is so MUCH better
How am I only now discovering this?! This is PERFECT!!
Much better. Awesome job with the edit!
Yooo that works so much better!! The feeling is Way more intense
This was so simple, but it made a lot of difference
You know this scene would have been even better if when Vader was pulling the ship and about to get stabbed in the back, he managed to crush it partially which then results in the mysteriously and inconveniently damaged hyperdrive in later scene
Crazy how the editor for the show had all the possibility of making this change but didn't even bring it up. No one thought about it. What a shame.
This makes so much sense that I can't even remember what they did different.
This actually makes Kenobi much more smarter. He knows her hate so well, he knew she would strike at Vader’s most anticipated moment.
A nice elegant edit that just works, and should have been done in the first place by the actual filmmakers.
I don’t mind the og scene as much as others do but this fucking rules.
Woooow this makes a thousand times more sense than her just walking up when he’s completely unoccupied and trying to strike him down as if he doesn’t have the force.. this makes him look stronger also for dealing with the ship and noticing her attack.
I thought this was going to be a troll video but this is amazing. Like I never knew I needed this.
This is exactly what I assumed would happen and when it didn’t I was beyond disappointed
Actually makes so much more sense. I bet (guarantee) there's more in the series that could use this kind of cut
Yup. Watched the rest of the scenes.
Even the Patterson cut didn't pick up on this
The Force is STRONG in you, Spikul... Well done.
I feel like this must have been the plan at some point, but was changed for whatever reason. It's the obvious way to do it, and just makes more sense.
The fact that the original was saved in the edits is a valuable lesson these new generation of creators fail to understand