MLB Has An Ace Shortage
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One guy who has priortized stuff and work over mqx velocity this year was Hunter Greene. He was averaging mid to late 90s on his fast ball this year versus max effort last year and he looks much better to boot
Greene has been great this year.
He also added a splitter to his repertoire. I'm excited for next year when's he able to put it all together as a reds fan
Mariners are just hoarding them... their pen threw the least innings of any team, by nearly 27 innings. likewise, it comes as no surprise that their SPs threw the most innings, while having the lowest ERA, most strikeouts, best opponent BA, and walking the fewest batters. Logan Gilbert led the league in IP with the lowest WHIP and nearly a 6 SO/BB rate. While only Woo has missed significant time over the past 2 seasons (knocking on wood right after I type this...).
It does help that they pitch in the worst park possible for hitters
Mariners play in a historically non hitter friendly park and the away and home starts back it up. There's a reason the braves beat them in team era
Real
@@RealCGH braves SP propaganda is hilarious fyi and like I said, go lol at m’s SP home/away splits.
It helps to play at one of the worst hitters parks in baseball
We still have aces, it's just there an epidemic of pitching injuries that's impacting most of them. Forget marketability, how about availability period?
What is required to be an ace now on the mound takes a massive toll on the arm. Pitches low and away get taken yard. Opposite field homers from guys who aren't clearly juiced. 5 foot 9 guys dropping nearly 40/40 seasons. Basically everyone can hit homers now and can do it on a pitch at any spot in the strike zone. Avoiding homers on contact is impossible, so the next thing would be to just avoid contact and reduce the volume of contact. The best way teams have found to do this is velo.
They need to drop velo under 80mph on pitchess. That's the answer to this issue. Slower pitchers will be the aces in 10-15 years
@@kenw2225bro I haven’t played since 13yo and I could hit 75mph u tripping
@@kenw2225 try doing with Judge or Ohtani in the box
@@kenw2225 That doesn't change a thing about batter approach.
Everyone is going for homers, so pitchers throw harder, so batters stop trying for base hits and only go for homers, so pitchers throw harder, so batters go for homers...
The real solution? SOFTEN THE BASEBALL so it doesn't fly as far. Oh, fans complained when they did that? Tough. It's for the long-term health of the game.
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Little cringe but you do you
I wonder if in like 25 years we'll look back at all these TJS surgeries and say "wow, that was avoidable. what were we thinking?" like we did with head injuries and CTEs. I keep hearing and reading its due to forced velocity but I mean... havent people always been throwing close to hard as possible? What's changed? Why do Japanese League pitchers have less arm injuries with way more innings?
BTW, the Tigers have been using a two man rotation for months, and they've been the hottest team in baseball. Baseballs a crazy game.
The Tigers haven't necessarily been using a two man rotation because they've had a rotating cast of relievers and openers covering the other three spots.
What’s up with the notion that degrom missed so much time, his injuries didn’t start until 2021 after both his cy youngs and in his age 33 season. About the time id expect to see some wear and tear on a pitcher tbh
Theyre throwing less and getting hurt more. Obviously theyre doing something wrong
For players yes, for teams no
They need to be throwing 95 tops and 82 on off speed.
@@kenw2225 Then they're gonna get lit up and be sent down to the minors because hitters are too good for that...
They’re also throwing harder.
no one would look for pitchers like that, and they would get lit up
Once Verlander, Scherzer, and Kershaw retire, 200+ innings season after season will be unheard of.
Logan Gilbert just cleared 200 innings
@@FrodohTBaggins Yes but that used to be over a dozen guys a season 15-20 years ago.
@@ryanrau6714 absolutely, I grew up in the maddux, Johnson, Clemens, etc era. Those were the days
Pedro . Don't forget the best pitcher of the era
And it won't even matter. It's not like anyone wants SPs to throw less innings, it just makes sense for them to throw less in modern times. The game changes, oh well, now we get to see more relivers with nasty stuff.
Reminds me of how the NBA load manages yet injuries are up more. But when I growing up some guys would approach 300+ IP. Guys these days are considered for Cy Young pitching well under 200 IP and that's why I can't support any pitcher winning MVP.
They're gonna have to call it the Blake Snell award from now on.
@@goblins2k5 Call it the Corbin Burnes award too. Zach Wheeler was robbed in 2021 despite pitching 46 more innings, having a much higher WAR and a comparable ERA. Corbin Burnes won the Cy Young despite pitching just 167 innings. Heck the year after Shohei pitched 166 IP, essentially the same as Corbin, but had comparable stats and a higher WAR and lower ERA but finished 4th. Not saying Shohei should've won it because there were 2 pitchers better than him in the AL that year, but the dude is a full time hitter as well. Burnes doesn't have to hit and only focus on pitching.
Helped back when hitters sucked so bad they struggled with 90...
It's hard to make a pitcher feel "dominant" when they're done by the 7th inning. They don't make them like Halladay anymore.
Yeah because they pitch way faster with more spin. The game is always going to change, changing rules to try and prevent that is the dumbest possible option. Every sport changes with time.
Because you can have a failed "ace" in the bullpen ready to throw one inning to lock up a game.
I call them failed aces because they didn't have good enough stuff to make it through the opposing rotation twice.
One season the Orioles had four 20 game winners….
They did, but nowadays pitchers just can’t get to 20 wins unless they’re lucky. It’s not that they’re “softer”, they have to throw harder, and less, because hitters are better. Hitters can hit low 90s with movement. The only way you sit in the low 90s with consistent success, you have to have the most break and extension in baseball. It’s just different from what it was
17:11 we love ourselves a good old "DUMBEST BOY ALIVE" reference
I grew up when it wasn't odd for 36 starts per year and 250 innings were normal for even pitchers that were not that great, Guys who'd go 14-13 with 4.45 ERA.
If you'd go 6 man rotation, were talking about 27 starts per season and if they average the same innings per start, you're seeing these stars lesss.
I miss when 34 starts was average and the off day meant the 5th man didn't have to pitch.
Pitchers now are so different and so unimpressive.
I'd rather see a guy out there for 7+ than these 5 and dive guys who can't get 200 innings.
I think MLB was way better post-steroid area until about 2017.
But even so, I think the steroid era was way more exciting than anything going on in today's game.
The constant changes of today's game, I don't even remember discussions of rule changes in the 90s or 2000s.
Also, it doesn't help when MLB's social media pages focus on mostly 1 player. They're really bad at highlighting so many others.
If it's not the nightly Ohtani post or 5, it's Judge. I get why they do it, they're incredible players.
But Anthony Santander crushed 44 homers in 2024, where's the press?
MLB just has a marketing issue period.
With the advent of social media, fans can get to know so many others players, it's all about marketing and MLB is failing.
It can be that easy. Think about it, Baseball Tonight on ESPN had Web Gems, perfect.
They had all the homers hit for the day.
I mean the NHL has 3 stars for their games. MLB having things like this for daily posts would be incredible to help market all kinds of talent.
But they're to busy promoting a few rather than the many.
I'd love to for MLB and help fix the problem...But I'm just a fan and a Banker by trade.
100% agreed
Honestly, I wonder if pitchers are getting hurt because they're growing up and ruining their arms in their teenaged years before going pro. It's been highlighted over and over in the community that high velo and filthy break is now the priority in pitching because a few guys make it work, but I can tell you this from experience: an adolescent's shoulder, elbow, and wrist are not done developing... You absolutely can screw up your career before it ever starts. My coaches told me not to throw a slider due to the wrist action there, it can permanently disfigure a kid and ruin their chance at a career.
So maybe what really needs to happen is that coaching needs to change from a low level up. I'd lay odds that these guys struggling with their elbows actually ruined them in the minors.
Stuff/Command/Mental Battle>Velo/Break
Now that's something you can do later on, you can lean into velo and break more after you've already made it to a higher level, then you have to ask yourself the question of "why does every fastball have to be max velo?" You can throw 93-94 and keep that 98-99 fastball in the pocket to surprise the hitter with.
I'm just speculating, all of this could be nonsense, but I just have a hunch the elbow problem is starting with young kids trying to do things they shouldn't do.
Early breaking stuff probably isn't great.
The UCL however doesn't really care how hard you throw. I've watched infielders in high school who threw about 80mph across the field blow an elbow out. If the UCL wants to go it's going to go.
@@TheGLORY13 then to me it sounds like a problem with technique. I'm sure there are all kinds of sports scientists and doctors working to figure all of this out.
3 relief pitchers allowed on a team would solve the problem. Same with outlawing batting gloves and other equipment batters and runners use would of speed up the game without a pitch clock
6:26 With Cone I've started to see lot of people consider him a snub and think he should get in through the Veterans' Committee due to him being one of the best strikeout pitchers of his era and being a key part of 5 World Series winning squads, he probably would've at least lasted longer on the ballot if he reached 200 wins.
It's amazing to me, how, in this era of load management injuries seem to be more common, not less. This applies to the NBA too.
Training and medical technology are better than ever before. Yet they get hert and miss time more than ever.
If load management was such a great and effective system. Why is this?
Guaranteed contracts and huge investment allow players to beg off because of a twinge. Not saying that's bad, but there is a difference in ouch and out. Also, I know that playing to not get hurt is the way to get hurt.
Meanwhile i cant think if any starting pitcher thats as cool as any closer, lol. In terms kf entertainmentor marketability or such.
The WWE entrances may be a factor there
Schwellenbach…
After these last few games I can absolutely see him getting 200 plus innings. He is phenomenal
Nah imagine how sick it would be to have 2 3 inning starters. Like a dynamic duo, they could pitch every 4th day or so and you could market them as a duo
Watching Glasgow talking about Thomas John being no biggie because you miss a year and don’t need another for 4-10 years kills me. Guys who need TJ are averaging another after 3 years. That first year the team will try to save their arm and we won’t see them as much. So we get two good years out of them every four years. Eventually teams aren’t going to want to pay top dollar for guys with this type of production.
The point he didn't want to say out loud is that he gets paid either way. Why would you want to go to work when you can get paid to stay home?
As with everything else in life, the market will correct itself.
Honestly assuming no new rule changes one day we might be talking about the last pitcher to throw 200 innings in a season
MLB Has an Ace Shortage
MLB Has an Ace Shortage
MLB Has an ace Shortage
All this coddling players started with the DH. if you want to replace a batter with someone better at batting , it should cost your team something. Eventually , shortstop will be replaced with a DH.... then second base...etc... shits weak.
"Incentivize max effort" my ass. Most guys 15 years ago couldn't dream of touching 95 if they tried
I can't remember which video it is, but Bailey had a bit of an lol moment at a 1990s video clip of the announcer referring to Todd Stottlemyre as "a power pitcher with a 90 mph fastball."
@@6thwilbury2331 Yeah. Back then, that got you into the HoF, the league was so shit then. Nowadays, that's what gets you into D-I
It’s because everyone is trying to throw 100 mph and it’s causing more injuries.
Y'know, if the old school counting stat guys are the ones who are absolute must see guys, maybe we should go back to valuing those stats more. Baseball is entertainment after all, easier to sell a guy who's chasing 200 wins than a guy whose spin rate and WAR are optimal.
Old school counting stats dont matter to the teams and for a good reason which is why they aren't incentivized to chase those numbers
Well they can't stay healthy and lose out overall. Need guys to throw 95 mph fastballs and 87 offspeed. Maybe even slower. Guys used to swinging at 100mph every at bat don't do well with 70s mph speeds
@@kenw2225 the league average velocity is 94 mph on fastballs, very few guys are actually throwing 100 consistently
@@elliskennedy9885 What would be good for the team is drawing a crowd and giving them the entertainment they want. Tell a crowd that the man on the mound is just 1 away from 200 wins and that generates excitement. Tell them that he's on track to have the lowest FIP ever recorded and half the stadium is gonna be asleep before the announcement is finished. Nobody goes to the ballpark for advanced metrics, they go for the counting stats.
That's great if you want to be like the Yankees and not win anything in the modern era
Sadly on videos like these the not so smart baseball fans come out and leave comments about “old baseball” like the game isn’t completely different than it was even 20 years ago. 🥴 Man casual baseball fans suck.
Remember when AZ won a WS by using R-Johnson as a closer as well as a starter?
Which do you want, an ace for a 78-84 club or a WS appearance w/ a team where the ace had 24 starts? Wins are important, not how they’re acquired.
Pitching is going to get worse (or overseas). The fathers of todays youth were told when they got to college that they couldn't hit. Now the pros don't let them hit. Kids want to hit. No Dad is going to coach his son to be a star pitcher because they know the kid will not be allowed to hit in the future. My son pitched 4yrs in college with zero AB's. He will not let his sons pitch. Every one of the other players he payed with & against are saying no to pitching. The camps & coaching all go into hitting & a positions.
Strider? 5:22
When teams are asking pitchers to throw more fastballs to the point where their arms are turning into shredded meat. Then, yes. We do have a shortage of Aces.
Analytics are causing a lot of the issues, it’s incentivizing young guys to throw hard as that’s the easiest way to get drafted and noticed for college. It really only takes one team to win a championship with a different philosophy to change the game. The perceived problem with pitcher duels is morons like Stephen A Smith and other talking heads would constantly talk about how boring it is or baseball in general is to watch. They implement pitching clocks to “speed up” the game, but they’re just trying to artificially generate action, hence bans on the shift, bigger bases and just about every other rule they’ve changed recently. If you want more aces stop making rules to go against pitchers at every turn. The leagues solution, let’s force a player getting hit early to stay out there until they hit certain innings or pitch count, again more things to hurt pitchers. Surely that won’t inflate eras. If you get pulled early cause of a tweak you have to go to the IL, so more pitchers will play through tweaks compounding issues. The simple solution is stop making rules to hurt pitchers.
I guess the bias of Yamamoto (in the US) is because NPB have the guys who can last longer than YY himself, such as his former teammate at ORIX, midget southpaw Hiroya Miyagi, his understudy at NT Hiroto Takahashi, and ofc, the "Monster of Reiwa Era", and close confidant of him, Roki Sasaki. Yet, the case against three of them--who are world champions before turning 25--- are plentiful. The first, Neither Miyagi, Hiroto, nor Roki can't be 'advertised' as much abroad not only because they are NOT in MLB yet, their pitching approach is far-fetched from the "american way of baseball", and it's due to the draconian copyright law of Japan.
We also need more consistency. No more 2 or 4 game series. 2 three game series a week with a dedicated day off.
Get rid of the DH. That eliminates a big hitter and does give pitchers a soft spot that can extend their innings each time out.
Move the fences back to where they were 30, 50, 70 years ago. Willie Mays had 500ft, Babe Ruth 490, and Ted Williams 468. Maybe not 500, but 425-430 with corresponding RF, LF and power allies.
Let these young pitchers learn how to pitch instead of just throw as hard as they can. I don't think Greg Maddux, Warren Spahn, Phil Niekro or Don Sutton (over 20,000 innings and almost 1,400 wins combined) would even get a look now days. Let them learn the craft of in-out, up-down, keeping the hitter off balance, and how to pitch out of trouble, instead of rushing them up before they can master anything but throw hard.
That's it
None of which will happen.
I just watch random games based on the best pitching matchups. Former Oakland fan...
Changing the schedule won't let teams line things up nicely to play their best starters on weekend matchups or something, they'll be minor injuries enough people take a day or two off from that it'd toss it around. The idea of an extra day of rest could do something to keep starters healthy, but ultimately I don't think much.
Many injuries for pitchers are caused by other minor injuries forcing them to alter mechanics. Pushing through trying to deliver 100% effort when something feels a little wrong. The day of rest can help with that a bit, but there's not much to say it'll save everyones elbows all of a sudden.
Kids in college are getting TJ like crazy, I'd love to see stats from Japanese leagues but I doubt TJ ain't looming over their pitchers too. I just don't think the extra day will save the starter role.
Human bodies reached its limit, we're really good at teaching kids out the pen, and know that 3rd+ time through the order is a giant issue. Until we get data that shows extra velo is bad (we won't), it'll just keep headed this way.
I’d muuuch prefer something that pushes back toward guys going 7+ more consistently but let’s say we have to live in this shorter stint world, what about moving the best pitchers to the 3rd/4th inning so they can alter to key innings of the game and work 6+ from there? Make the Opener a bigger thing, too. The Tigers did it out of necessity though Skubal was still throwing traditional starts to give the pen a break every fifth day
The babying stuff just doesn’t work at allll but it’s like punting in the NFL… you don’t have to answer for it the way you do going for and missing 4th downs.
Only four players threw over 200 innings this year: Logan Gilbert, Seth Lugo, Logan Webb, and Zack Wheeler. Only the Mariners and Phillies had more than one starter go over 190.
Adding an extra arm to the starting rotation is a great idea. I mean as a Cubs fan, Imanaga was brilliant-he was an ace. There are still aces-we just have an epidemic of pitching injuries ESPECIALLY Tommy John
Love the idea of ace day. I'd combine it with the double pull idea. Personally so sick of the over emphasis of random relievers that have a shelf life of 4 (often sporadic) years over building a quality rotation. Roster management has become almost random with health being the primary factor, and that makes baseball boring IMO.
I like the extra day, but also should implement a pitch count aswell, max 111 if there already isn’t a count ( 111 is the max for Texas HS at least), it also falls to mechanics and that’s more difficult to change, but the mechanics of today put immense strain on shoulders and elbows to the point where we see the TJ surgeries. The change should be a combination of these things mechanics, pitch cap, and 6 days of rest
As a Phillies fan, I’ve been very luck in that the org focuses on durability and longterm health with starters. Our starters don’t throw super hard, the fastest you’ll see is typically 97 (Zack Wheeler and that’s when he’s throwing gas), but they can eat innings and get strikeouts. We had five complete games this year and two of them were by one guy (Cristopher Sanchez). We owe much of our success this year to the org’s pitching development.
Baseball players will never receive NIL money when players can be recruited to the MLB in High School.
Everyone has some goofy ass idea to make starting pitchers go longer and they all suuuuuuuuck. How about we just admit the game has changed!? Why do we think we have to change the rules every damn season to try "fix" problems that don't exist?? Starting pitchers don't pitch as many innings and the only people who care are youtuber creators and sports writers, then they convince people to complain about something they don't actually give 1 shit about.
6 man rotations, and pre sticky balls like in japan. MLB owns rawlings so it should be super easy to do. Give the pitchers more grip, less pressure in the hand less injuries.
I think part of it's because when the current or well established aces were young they were expected to pitch as much as an mlb ace so they could develop faster when that workload needs to be steadily increased along with their body's development. I think some (not all) parents soiled some of these guys in that they pushed all those MLB talent appraisals onto them at a little league age. There's a sign at a primarily little league field near me that says "no scholarships will be handed out today" which I think is absurd to even have to say. There's also the rapid rise of kids 17 and under requiring Tommy John more than ever before at an alarming rate. The ace problem has to start by allowing kids to just be kids and steadily build up their workload and fitness level as they grow up if they want to seriously pursue baseball. None of these guys started just being able to pitch 9 innings from day 1 and I think a lot of people end up forgetting that once the talent appears.
An interesting idea I've thought about since "openers" became a thing is the idea of "duos" or "trios" - that being, you have like 6-8 "starting pitchers" who are paired up in twos or threes, and are limited to only going through the lineup twice, meaning they pitch more often, but are pitch/batter limited. It means starters can keep throwing hard without worrying about overexerting themselves or injury, batters don't get to ever face a pitcher a second time through the order, and they would in theory get to have more appearances overall, helping with name recognition. Of course, don't make that a rule, but I'd be interested to see a team try that theory.
6:30 there is ONE more pitcher that is a sure pick for HOF... ohtani...
MLB needs to establish more off-days for players, not just pitchers. Because the game is getting more and more intense and difficult, players need to exert more force and wear on their body. Injuries of course affect pitchers at a higher level than most positions(maybe catchers get hurt more) but allowing more off-days allows players to heal. How does MLB accomplish this, in all honesty, I don't have a concrete answer. The best I could think of is to start the season earlier or to end the season later as reducing the number of games isn't something that is ever going to be done on a year to year bases(2020 doesn't count for obvious reasons).
The only other way to reduce pitcher injuries is lower inning totals but that doesn't solve the whole "Ace Shortage" problem.
Great Video and an SRS Mike video is always great.
No star athletes, thespians, recording artists in general. Maybe the tide is turning toward education and philanthropy. I doubt it. 100 odd years is probably enough of this garbage.
Regardless of potential scheduling changes, six man rotations just feel inevitable. Teams are becoming obsessive with workload management for their arms and that would give them a built in form of it within their roster construction
Skubal only won the triple crown this year, to me he's an icon but I'm a tigers fan so I might be biased
We need to find a way to keep pitchers healthy before adding new rules forcing them to pitch more
I dont think the proposed rule changes will do anything at all. I think majority of pitchers would rather risk injury than have their pitches be less effective. Some pitchers just pitch better with throwing hard. They would basically have to change their mechanics to find an effective way to keep getting results they want.
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My boi framber valdez is about to turn into a Ace tomorrow when we shut down the tigers playoff run baby!!!
I think Aaron Nola may reached out 200 wins if the Phillies remain good for his contract, but it would require him to not miss any significant time so idk
There is plenty of data to show that length is not as valuable as throwing hard and throwing max effort. The third time through the order penalty shows exactly this. The simplest way to train starters to go long again is to limit how many pitchers teams can carry. Starters have to go long, they can’t go max effort all the time, starters become prominent again and maybe it also helps increase offense a bit. It’s a win win
I don't think it is ever going to really go back to "Aces" due to protecting injury.
As a Tigers fan right now, I'm not sold on needing to see a starter every game or adding rules to encourage that. However, I do agree that ace days would be a cool addition on the weekends, and I would enjoy the return of complete games from pitchers who have a potential no hitter going.
I mean when ohtani pitched last year was the only time I'd absolutely try to watch the game otherwise I'll see the recap
It makes no sense to wear out a starting pitcher when you have cannons waiting in the bullpen. I don’t know why it took so long for this to be a thing.
MLB should allow steroids that’s what it sounds like since the 90s was the best era 😂
It's just not right to literally expect guys arms to be destroyed. Sports has a big problem with making that seem normal.
Ok but Paul Skenes is popular also because he has a hot gf.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this. Thank you
The royals with HDH made the stellar bullpen a staple of a good mlb team
Looking at Tigers this year with only 1 real starting pitcher
Nolan Ryan was the last true Workhorse Pitcher.
As a mariners fan, sounds like a YOU problem.
Well, this is something. It's an underlying issue.
Yeah the mariners have all of em 👀👀 MARINERS REVENGE
Zach Wheeler could join this conversation
Problem is the overreliance of pitch counts and managers pulling pitchers once the opposing team goes through the 3rd time in the lineup
It got the 1st no-hitter in the World Series in 68 years
Pitchers should be forced to hit again. It's just not baseball having them not hit. Game has gone downhill since they rid mlb of pitchers hitting
Oh yes. We loved seeing a strikeout every time the 9-hole came up, with the occasional bunt when there was a runner on
Pitchers pitching harder and thus getting less reliable to make CGs doesnt help. Also like one popular commercial showed "chicks dig the long ball."
Right because getting lit up throwing slower and hitters seeing the ball better will help with CGs
ace day would be really cool
Having an ace gave teams that mental advantage. Which seems to be lacking in this era
What's lacking is any hitter that struggles with 90 mph fastballs...
I know I'm in the minority but I'm for getting rid of the DH.
Ah yes, a strikeout every time in the 9-hole with the occasional bunt attempt the times a man's on base. What a visionary
14:19 PAUSE 😂😂
Pitchers need to learn how to PITCH again, and not just THROW HARD
There's a misperception that players are the ones who dictate coaching and philosophy. This is wrong.
Most elite starters throw hard. Elite starting pitching is the most valuable thing you can have to win in the playoffs. Good teams want to win in playoffs, so they prioritize acquiring and developing those with the less teachable traits of ace upside (velo). Teams draft and sign players. Players want to be drafted. Players see that teams prioritize velocity when it comes to their upper tier free agency signings and draft picks. Players then prioritize velo in order to get drafted. Why would they not?
In order for the philosophy to change to one that doesn't prioritize gas, throwing hard with limited command needs to produce worse results than throwing 92 with great command. It doesn't currently. With how good batters are at hitting pitches in the bottom of the zone for homers, the best way to limit tanks is to limit contact altogether, and the most effective way to limit contact is to throw gas.
The biggest detriment to control pitchers is home runs. In high home run environments, these pitchers get bashed more (see Kyle Hendricks). If MLB wants home runs, its going to lose finesse pitchers. That's the trade off.
So by that logic you're saying batters need to learn to not hit again?
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Then came roki sasaki
I'm 41 years old. I grew up watching baseball in the 80s and 90s. I remember watching pitchers going 9 innings. Some of these pitchers could hit. Kerry Woods Zambrano Maddux Glavin Smoltz
Only one of those guys is above 0.190...
@@TyrannoJoris_Rex Zambrano. My Dad loved watching him play.
Not gonna lie, I would like to see a team use 3 pitchers per game, 3 innings per pitcher, pitching every 4 days, meaning a rotation of 12 pitchers in groups of 3, leaving 1 pitcher to help manage the load, teams could also use minor league options just to manipulate roster spots to have basically 1 extra pitcher by calling up and down 2 pitchers, this would have worked better prior to 2022 as they could've had 14 pitchers but now only 13 so you do what you can. But this way they would be able to have 12 relievers all throw high effort, and they could have relievers be both more dominant than having 5 guys eat most of the innings and also way cheaper. Plus you would have 3 guys in the team racking up a bunch of saves. Even the best hitters only hit 3 to 4 times per game (most games) and people still remember them among a lineup of 9 so why is it so hard to remember a guy among 12 others, who faces 12 batters per game every 4 days, averaging out to 3 batters per each game the team plays (pretty close to what hitters have)?
The tigers have been doing just that and they have had the best staff in the league for a while now
@@elliskennedy9885 Yeah they are close to it, they haven't totally removed starting pitchers as Tarik Skubal has been too damn good to not have him as an ace starter but they are going very much so on that direction, and I hope they or some other cheap team eventually does it.
Raise the mound back up
That just adds a premium to power pitching, which is the cause of all the problems.
That's what you get when you put a bunch of stat geeks in charge of baseball and have them demand Pitchers throw Max effort 100% of the time. Pitchers get hurt and throw significantly less innings.
I mean, that happens because it's the most successful strategy (although the quantity of injuries may be shifting philosophy, we will see in the coming years). It's the job for front offices and affiliated staff of teams to win as much as possible. It's what they're paid to figure out and if one organization won't someone else will. This is simply how strategies evolve, pitchers throwing harder for less innings made them more effective, which made teams switch over time, until the injuries stacked up so high they make another adaptation. It's the nature of competition.
Our pitchers are throwing every pitch like it's the world series, so we can have batters hit it straight to the shortstop and lightly jog their way to the easy out
The strategy is terrible. Just like the move away from batting avg being important. It is important and it's silly that it's been dismissed as an almost non factor. Just like wins for a pitcher being deemed unimportant, they are important. Pitchers getting wins are a good thing no matter what. Just like batting .300 is good no matter what
I prefer the Leo Mazzone philosophy of throw more often with less exertion.
And get lit up because hitters don't suck so bad to hit mid-80s?
@TyrannoJoris_Rex Leo had his guys do that during bullpen and side sessions to build durability.
Limit each game - 1 starta / 1 reliver / 1 kloza
Any thoughts on the pitch clock not allowing recovery between pitches?