Liquid Metal Laptop Cooling - 20C LOWER!
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- Can the lower temps of liquid metal be worth the chance of bricking your laptop?
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"If you mess up the application, you'll fry the device.
So, we chose a $3000 laptop!"
of course they would , who wants to liquid cool a $500 laptop...
@@zuboy4272 actually I am thinking about it. Do I need to? no. DO I want to see what happens? yes.
Its way cooler to watch a $3000 laptop burn than a $200 laptop.
Oh yeah , let's go down ,but with more style
@@zuboy4272 us poor people. we still exist outside of your bubble
i7 8750H the H stands for Hell, as in this thing keeps Hell warm.
No shit sherlock
@@tommybro5313 6 months late kid
Way too true this thing is hotter than the sun
hits 100°C regularly for me. had to undervolt to -0.165V! performs at about 85° after
@@ethaningoa7461 , I use Noctua NT-H1 for the CPU and GPU and I also removed all the thermal pads and replaced them with Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8. 100c to 65 to 70 while gaming. Definitely worth it. Alienware 17 R5, I7-8750H and GTX 1070.
Literally gave me a heart attack when I saw that Premature Ejaculation.
I felt my heart stop for a solid second
I screamed😂😂😂
I jumped in my chair haha
@@TerribleToaster me too.
Saw the video yesterday and watched again today to review and my heart still skipped a beat when I saw it like I saw it for the first time... guess I was more alert today
Liquid Metal, the heroin of the tech world.
LeBeautiful true mate 🐧
If you dont care of cleaning it each month
I WONDERED WHY CORTANA AKED ME TO INJECT IT IN HER CPU
Well it fucks up your CPU fast - just like heroin does to people.
The hell is your profile pic?
Warning: the black plastic end piece is meant for REMOVAL only (that's why it splattered everywhere in the video). The thin curved metal end piece 0:27 is meant for APPLYING. Also, the drop applied in this video is WAY bigger than recommended and will surely lead to seepage into surrounding components over time. I fried my old laptop applying this stuff the wrong way so hope this message saves at least one laptop from dying. (Update) Use minimal Acrylic Conformal Coating and apply to exposed metal only as it will act as an insulator.
Sean Gurney i will not do it anyway ;)
Kostanj42 someone will in the future.
i always wanted to use this stuff, but knowing my luck i would fry something.
Sean Gurney do you know a video or guide that shows it the right way
Gamers Nexus did a guide not too long ago.
Holy shit. When I saw that metal splash onto the mobo, I thought it was done.
Good job cleaning it up and great results.
they took out the laptop and the motherboard battery so there is no electric charge
yea dude.. i shit myself!
If they didn't completely wipe all of it off, it can still short out components when they try to turn it back on.
The gallium is what will find its way into something maybe a month or so later....
some* dont understand that without electricity, electronics cannot be harmed by water or other conductive fluids. i wash my motherboards in the sink every other year and air dust every 3 months. just need to make sure it is 100% dry before putting electricity back into it
@5:07 I actually had a physical reaction watching that. That might have literally been the worst possible case scenario when working with that stuff. And sarcasm aside, "we did it on purpose to show you what to do" is a totally legit response. I can only imagine how much more carefully every single person who watched this and attempted the same procedure was when pushing down on that plunger.
Kudos for keeping it in the video and owning up to it. None of us are perfect.
I don't get why they dont make the applicator a twisting plunger instead of a push plunger... If it was twistable, it would be far less prone to slipping and even just the smallest amount of liquid metal could be applied.
literally the reason i didn't even apply it directly... put it on a q tip and spent hours, painting it on and taking it back off when i think i applied too much, making absolutely sure it wasn't going to seep out and still had 100% coverage. probably outright wasted half a gram, which is trivial compared to the 1400 price tag of the laptop. Acer Nitro 5, playing EVE after an hour or 2 it would hit 85-90 with only Zkillboard running behind it but the thermal grizzly keeps it below 75 at all times. CPU wont exceed 73 and GPU wont exceed 63 when i have TH-cam, discord, EVE, and Zkillboard running simultaneously.
update: i use 2 monitors on a regular basis now and even after extended periods of time with youtube discord Zkill and EVE running simultaneously it will not exceed 78 degress C with an ambient of between 75 and 68 F. this is a laptop.
no, i have not had to do anything but clean the fans and radiators. i have not had seepage. i have not had a leak. i have not had shorts. the laptop was frequently put into a backpack and jostled around.
(this isnt a recommendation to do so, its anxiety inducing knowing what can happen. please for your own sanity dont use this stuff unless you plan on keeping it where it sits or youre using something you dont care to lose)
@@leonidas1187 Considering that I have the same laptop, these three comments of yours might make me change my mind after all..
This is just like porn.
You start with normal stuff, like building your own PC, then go to harder stuff, like liquid cooling and suddenly you're deliding and using liquid metal and your friends don't know what you are talking about anymore.
Vinicius Zucareli I think you meant drugs.
Liquid metal instead of water
Vinicius Zucareli as long as you don't fall into mineral oil cooling lol
No. You are on drugs.
Yeah. That's how I got into dwarf porn.
Finally, Linus is truly supporting liquid metal thermal paste.
What, does this not count from 2 years ago?
th-cam.com/video/WhvqhRlIf9U/w-d-xo.html
ICdiamond was a bit crappy a least for me i change to carbon base thermal paste Artic MX4 and it was a lot better than IC
MX4 is a good cheap TIM, I was disappointed with it's performance compared to my NT-H1 that came with my cooler but at $10 it's hard to find anything better.
10 year tube of arctic silver 5 still going strong...
I'm not subbed to NCIX so I never saw that video, with that being said, he used to not believe in the benefits in LM and called their gains minimal for the amount of risk, though he never used the product for delidding where everyone was having success. This was back a long time ago during some WAN I can't remember. Remember when he would delid a CPU just to use a standard thermal paste? Kind of defeated the purpose of delidding in the first place. Also note, in that video you linked, he never delidded the CPU in the first place because he was using a 5820k which has a soldered IHS and is not the CPU's that were having issues with heat management. I ran a 4790k naked die on a h100i with CLU and dropped 30C with the same fan speed, with others having results like mine is why people became obsessed with CLU/CLP etc. So while you are right, he did try this two years ago, he did not try it on the processors which had issues nor did he apply the LM in areas where the poor thermal conductivity was thus he didn't realize it's true benefit.
5:07 Is the best part
I keep clicking your timestamp!
I actually gasped
I laughed my ass off haha
Money shot
Bust a nut!
Pro tip, warm the syringe in your hand before appyling the liquid metal. That makes it flow much nicer and helps prevent sudden splurts.
in the michael wave
As someone with this laptop, I plan to do this sometime in the near future
Wish me luck, comrades
I'm considering undervolting and underclocking my cpu for now. Until a year or so passes atleaset. I won't risk my laptop warranty as of yet. Not worth it with my mid- range-demanding games and programmes.
Same here.
For me i just use a regular thermal compound. Im too poor to buy a new laptop if it broke
I'd also like to know how it went - I have this laptop as well and I've already done a keyboard replacement (so many tiny screws), SSD install, and I'm about to replace the battery. I'm going to repaste it when I open it up to do the battery and have some Arctic Silver, but 20 C is enough to make me consider the liquid metal...
@@Dreznin I have done liquid metal on my Acer Predator 21X and it holds up really good. It has been 3 years since then and I have redone the liquid metal 4 times. You have to absolutely open up the laptop after 2-3 months of first apply as the liquid metal seeps into the copper heat sink which is normal. From 92C on CPU and 88C on GPU to 78C and 71C respectively. Worth it even though I tried it on a 9000 USD laptop :D
"this could easily make your PC go boom boom.... Sooooooooo let's go ahead and use this 3K laptop!!"
LTT style XD
to be fair, they could've went with 5k if they had one
Now it’s probably only worth 2K.
to be fair my pc never seen something else than liquid metal (except my gpu where i had to swap it)
AlmostAllNetworkNewStationAreYellowJournalism should have used the predator 21x
0:16 Linus, I wanna see this for Realz! A Noctua Monster CPU Cooler on a working laptop!
Careful what you wish for. They've done more dumb things before...
They should use their new laser cutter to make a custom laptop bottom plate (well replace the bottom plate with a bottom "box") for notebooks with removable bottom (like the clevo p65x) with liquid cooling for the cpu, dedicated desktop gpu (you can actually use the pcie lanes from internal nvme m.2 slots for this) and a kickass raid for storage.
I don't like apple జ్ఞా ఞ send this to all people with apple phones
Pickleman
Corey Watford
They ought to revisit this machine to see how the gallium held up. I hear you have to reapply like every year or so.
You'll have to reapply to copper coldplates once, as the galliumm will alloy with it. After that it should be saturated.
@@3of12 How long afterwards? Also he used Electrical tape to protect the cpu... wont that melt and leave sticky residue that will be worse?
@@albundi2k101about 6 months to a year. however, if you can afford the downtime, you can prep the copper surface by leaving a relatively large amount on the copper for a few days. You can also lengthen life by sealing it with a foam dam.
i delidded and applied liquid metal on my 8700 around spring 2018 and never touched it again. Temps haven't changed a bit since then.
@@Bennedict929 your 8700 had nickel IHS, but on laptop we got copper plates.
Worked great on my Zephyrus. Also makes everything quieter since the fans don't spin up like crazy when everything is cooler. Also, you can get a lot better thermal pads and grease on the memory. ThermalGrizzly stuff is insanely good.
No joke that gave me a heart attack 5:08
same.
Ra1ny LOL yeahhh 😂
Ra1ny
Did you survived?
Auke Kaptijn yeah he did that's why he commented ;)
I just face palmed with both of my hands
5:05 when you do it after several months
After a several day*
Adrian after several minutes*
When you finally do it*
Love u all ahahah
when you do it for the first time*
5:06 I jumped out of my skin there for sec. Holy fuckballs did that just happen??
man that liquid metal busted a nut all over that board and I lost it. Talk about "firmly grasp it" ahahaha
5:07
Burst of Laugh
Made my day
What are manufacturers waiting for!
High end machines need this!
To expensive.
High End conventionell thermal paste is on nearly the same level (like the Kryonaut).
When you manufacture thousand laptops/hour (or whatever) on a sem-automatic assembly line. You don't want to risk playing with liquid metal. Of course you could engineer a solution to the problem, but that costs money, time, effort and there probably isn't that much market demand for this.
Believe it or not. But 90% of the people do not care about this stuff, nor the performance increase. They probably won't even notice or care about these issues.
I know it sounds dull and boring. But having worked with automatic manufacturing (tho with sheet metal parts) one extra step can increase cost and time spent quite significantly, sometimes you might even need to plan the product in totally different way for a small minor thing.
They are not using this as the liquid metal actually corrodes the copper cooler over time.
This is good thermal compound if you do not mind buying new components when they are corroded...
Liquid metal is not as durable as the thermal paste that is used in laptop manufacture. They stuff that comes stock in your laptop lasts decades.
Thanks Stopasking. It seems to be the explanation. Is Linus paid ? Why isn’t he mention it ? It’s a really important information.
Great video...tbf all your vids are great!! Production levels are off the charts!! Enjoying it all the way in the UK!
I goodness! that's great......probably i need one for my laptop too!
I was waiting for this to be sponsored by Tunnelbear
Philip Pham you are so right
Same
don't worry hundreds more after this video will not disappoint
i would love to see a liquid metal aplication on a desktop GPU next
MrTheSmoon it is done exactly the same way and gives a similar boost.
tommihommi1 a full gpu usually doesn't thermal throttle as much as a laptop. A boost in fan speed usually helps get rid of thermal issues on most gpu's
Alex V.D.H. similar improvement in temperature or noise normalized performance, and really big improvement on radial fan style cards, which are limited by cooling performance most of the time.
you can easily improve temps by removing the shroud and ziptying a cooling fan or two
SeventySeven ah yes, a very elegant, compact, price-efficient and good-looking method. /s
5:08 my first time with a girl
Lmao
Ohhhh wohhhhh
I am still waiting for this to happen
Lamo
LMFAO
I'm waiting for the T-1000 to come out of the laptop and start gaming.
Tell me that would not be the most bad ass advertisement video EVER!
... very carefully..... ... SPLURT!!! ... Welp. its not a LTT video without some sort of screwup. Still love you guys. though.
H&NKinsha We all have the built up to let go off.
I actually burst out laughing when that happened
5:07 A surprise in a square video. Refreshing.
I actually jumped in terror
And the way he made excuse for that 😝
Nice job !! a big plus for performance, fan noise and battery life ... also to remember that the first thing to do after opening the case is to disconnect the battery ... especially if we will play with a liquid conductive above the motherboard: D thx for All your experiments it's always a pleasure To watch your videos !
Hi, I have applied thermal grizzly liquid metal to my P56XT like this video says and CPU temp dropped from 96 deg C to 76 deg c. Thanks for the great tutorial.
I jumped 5:08
My heart almost dropped. lol
Someone is getting fired 😂
I was shocked omg xD
I literally gasped
Yoordan UUUUFFFFF
Liquid Metal Compound *DO NOT MIX WITH ALUMINUM*
Following AD: All Aluminum EK Watercooling Kit
Memes were born
liquid metal cool laboratories or this stuff is primarily gallium.
Gallium is that dirty gigolo metal that likes to get with every other metal. It spends one night with aluminum and the next thing aluminum knows it is pregnant the tv is gone and her bank accounts drained and gallium nowhere to be found and her car is gone...
Ahh. Everyone loves crumbly aluminium.
The blocks would have a nickel coating on them.
But they're made from aluminum rather than copper.
We have flowed many liters of Gallium-Indium-Tin in our research liquid metal magnetic loop and it once leaked onto the aluminum support structure and it steadily began to consume it like some kind slow but powerful super acid. It never stopped, requiring a complete disassembly so what remained of the aluminum support frame could be disposed of.
Application in any kind of electronic device should absolutely include 100% containment/sealing with minimal quantity (a drop or less) to protect components. It also begins to react with air, oxidation etc...
8:19 oh my OCD seeing that AC cable...
😤 I felt that
I’m pretty sure any sane person regardless of mental disorder would be frightened at that.
IKR, but... Im pretty sure will help with the airflow
I just did thus on my HP Omen. Worked out well. Cooling an does not ramp up so much you think it will take off. Thanks for this video and showing what not to do. shooting all over the mother board. Always despence some where other than right on the cpu/gpu. Great heads up.
"A physical barrier is always the best line of defence" ;)
I think I got that refference.
Oh shit
You can't use an aluminum heat sink because gallium destroys aluminum.
I was looking for this, thanks man.
More than destroys, it literally eats aluminium.
It doesn't _literally_ eat aluminium. It diffuses into the grain boundaries, forming a very weak and brittle amalgam.
Would consume work for you?
if you look real close, you can actually see tiny gallium mouths chewing on the aluminum
We'd love to see this demoed on a few laptops which have are notorious for heat! Super curious to see the temp changes.
Especially asus rog strix laptop
6:31 that was the BEST boot sound. Woooow...
Manufacturers will never ship items with liquid metal underneath their IHS' due to the risk of jostling it and making it spill out onto other components during shipping and handling
on a desktop cpu they just solder it, on a laptop solder isnt practical
AMD already does this, Intel used to. Go look at an older i7 2600k and you'll see that the processors were soldered to the IHS which is nearly as good as liquid metal TMI
Ghosted Talking LIQUID METAL not solder.
5:07 #TheMoneyShot
Linus Tech Tips, you guys seem to the only channel who keeps their sponsor messages short and sweet, and because they're more closely related to what your channel is about I really don't mind hearing about it and usually have some interest in what they're telling you to push. Especially since I'm trying to upgrade my old desktop. I only found out about your channel yesterday but I love your videos.
I have an old laptop, do you have any videos on a project for it? I'd love to see what ideas you guys have for old laptops
i can't hold my laught each time linus starts to talk about sponsors
"We decided that the BEST LAPTOP for this job was the three-thousand dollar Acer Predator Triton 700."
Linus, you kill me dude. Keep up the killer work.
Finally LMG... using LM on laptops is almost mandatory, as is undervolting/overclocking using thorottlestop
Could you tell me how often should I change the LM in a laptop if I clean and re-apply say, a GC Gelid Extreme about once a year?
yesterday applied gc gelid on my 960m and 4710mq got 20c drop
You don´t need to do it very often. I do it every 4-5 months because I feel better, but there is no change in doing so. It holds up better than normal paste.
daily...
I was thinking the same, two months ago i change to liquid metal on my notebook and did some undervolting of the cpu (7700hq) and overclock/undervolting of the gpu (nvidia 1060) and i went from 30 fps on shadow of war with a lot of stuttering to almost 60 fps smooth AF. Temps also lower between 15 and 20° less than before. Ah the 1060 is overclocked to 1935 mhz @ 0.9v with a +200mhz of vram. I used MSI afterburner for that, if you press CTRL + F you can set a curve profile and limit the voltage for each clock.
Dude, I almost died of shock @ 5:07 when you spilled all that LiquidMetal on the board and CPU, even surroundings.
Hahah the background for the stats is sooooo cool
*OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS*
MunkeyChips
I loved that episode of ask GN!
Yes, Tech Jesus gave us a glorious meme.
came here for this comment, not idsappointed
Hahaha I was hoping someone else picked up on it.
Came down to do this. XD
Money shot at 5:08
"OH. OOHHH"
hahahahahahha OMG.... I was thinking the same thing
keep up the good work good Candian Sir!
best
linus video ever
I saw that spurt of liquid metal coming a mile away
OrkGold1 it gave me a heartattack
OrkGold1 I wonder if jokes like that will be sentient robots' version of innuendo? Lol
OrkGold1 squirt
cuming from a mile away
cumming* I'm very sorry... I'll take my leave.
One thing you may need to consider when doing this is that over time under the influence of oxygen the gallium may react with the copper especially if you use the laptop a lot if this happen you will get a dry crust of the other metals mixed in. This is not as bad as with aluminium but it can still happen over time and heat. If this happens you can remove the crust from the heatsink and reapply the liquid metal.
AWESOME VIDEO WHAT SOFTWARE DO YOU LIKE TO USE TO DO STRESS TEST ON THE COMPUTERS?
Linus in the future finally!! Welcome!!
Linus is finally on the delid train
Also some of them are soldered to the MB.
Well, one wouldn't have thought the bottleneck here (super thin laptop) would be standard thermal paste. (Rather moving the heat out of that thin case)
This irrelevant, laptop BGA and LGA CPU, GPU & chipsets do not have an IHS. Only desktop Clevo and all alike laptop the desktop CPUs would one. And it is recommend to delid the those laptops as the reseller will commonly offer a delid service before shipping is you choose.
I needed to delid my cpu and apply liquid metal to get better temps while playing minecraft
I love how jolly linus was this video
I'm digging the new background music
Pls put NSFW tag for the "application" part. XD
No.
After having watched Hardware Canuck’s video about speeding up a MacBook by reapplying the thermal paste, I wonder what this would do to a MacBook Pro...
I think this is not a coincidence that they both have similar videos. Especially since Dimitri's results were not as impressive. I would even assume that Dimitri's video was a parody, after he saw this one on floatplane
jur4x They're not *that* similar, I definitely don't think it's a parody though
Mac... Seriously?
Dimitri is a visuals first, tech second channel. He would've killed the laptop if he tried any sort of LM cooling..
in my old pc i had a corsair h80 watercooling
shit came wiht thermal paste on it, ran at temp x
needed to replace something, thought by myself lets change the paste for fun
8 degrees lower.
and i went from supershit to a little shit paste
do you still have this laptop and have it been used since it was repasted ? if so could you do an update on how the metals have reacted with each other over time ?
For someone who is considering this, just to let you know that every device will have a lot of different outcomes. Mine just got 3c cooler than Noctua NTH2 repaste (15c cooler than original) and some will get 20c like in this video depend on the thermal design of the laptop.
Hey, I used NTH2 atm, do you think Kryonaut will be worth applying?
I think at the price they are selling at this should really be standard :/
It reduces the life of other metals and needs reapplication every year or so
How much is it
glitch gamer it’s literally just gallium do you don’t even need to get expensive stuff if you wanna do it yourself
@@RekzysTheTitan its not "just gallium" - its an eutectic alloy of gallium indium and tin. considering the given density of 6.24g/ccm of conductonaut and the denisty of 6.44g/ccm of galinstan, its probably a really high gallium variant in the 75% Gallium, 17.5% Indium and 7.5% Tin ballpark.
@@ericvauwee4923 Dude, you clearly just read the information on the back. You wouldn't have any idea what "eutectic" even means without googling it first. Shut the hell up.
5:08 - "I SAW IT COMING" - That's what she said.
I wonder, could you create a thin 'border' on the outer edges of the cpu heatspreader with normal thermal paste so the liquid metal can't run out onto the board over time, or would the liquid metal react with normal paste in unfortunate ways?
Thanks for giving me flashbacks Linus
4:58 "it is crucial"
i am wondering if you get any drop on outside temperatures of the case? I'm afraid that won't make any difference and make it even worse due to the slower fan speeds. Anyone should consider damaging laptop internals and even causing dangerous battery explosions most probably on macbooks. I guess laptop manufacturers are well aware of that. Only sinful solution could be undervolting the CPU without damaging anything which reduces the power consumption in Watts and results lower temperatures (if you are not planning to overclock). If you still wanna do that, make sure you decrease fan trigers in bios advanced settings ( there is a hidden combination in most laptops where you can also set your stable voltages after trying on Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Of course there is some cases you will get temperatures over the safe margin which can cause damage where repasting could be usefull. Just avoid high external temperatures on laptop.
That Purple Protector ad.... was actually enjoyable to watch.
Linus can you replace the heat paste in an hp compaq nc8000 with the liquid metal. And see if you can make the laptop a laptop.
Naked internals of that sexy laptop was too much for that tube of liquid metal, same happens to me when I see my Nicole Aniston.
Yes if we could only have read Linus brain when it shot its load all over the guts. I am sure it caused his blood pressure to soar, and his emotions to just spaz out all over the place....
This is an excerpt of a comment on another video, and the reason why I think you just gave that laptop the equivalent of terminal cancer.
bobsagget823 5 months ago
Leaving this as a top level comment so more people can see it:
I did more reading about this stuff since I'm interested in using LM for my own laptop, and it seems corrosion is not out of the norm.
Typically when LM is used under the IHS of a desktop CPU (often necessary for intel chips since they bond the IHS to silicon with toothpaste instead of solder) the results are pretty good even after a year. The IHS (which is made out of copper, then nickel plated) does get stained by the LM but nowhere near what happened to you. This is because your contact (in a laptop) is silicon die LM copper heatsink. In the desktop scenario, LM is often applied underneath the IHS so the contact is silicon die LM nickel plating copper.
To be even more clear, the key differences in your application of LM is that
1. Your application was silicon-copper instead of being silicon-nickel as you would find in the 'delidding' of a desktop CPU
2. Your application was not insulated against air (read: oxygen)
1 is important because the electrode potential of gallium is -0.53V, nickel -0.24V, and copper +0.34V. Obviously, all liquid metals are made out of gallium (because Ga is liquid at room temp, and is also nontoxic unlike mercury) plus small percentages of other metals to reduce the melting point. When gallium is in contact with pure copper, the differences in electrode potential favors the gallium and copper to alloy, which will eventually consume the gallium completely[1] (Ga + Cu → CuGa2 [67%] + Cu3Ga [11%], and both products are stable until 175C)[1][2].
The liquid metal will literally into the copper until the gallium is gone, which causes the copper to turn silver-ish. The non-gallium components (indium, tin) of the liquid metal[3], which are solid at room temperature, get left behind - and that stuff is hardened deposit that you were trying to scrub off the heatsink.
Note that at higher temperatures, the reaction between gallium and the copper heatsink only gets faster.
2 is important because the gallium based LM components can and do oxidize. This is the reason why people generally recommend sealing your contact as much as possible. With a desktop chip under an IHS that's already halfway taken care of by the IHS itself, so if you've never seen a liquid metal tutorial for a laptop you might have not even known that sealing the LM was important. I'm not making this stuff up, gallium begins to oxidize at 25C and fully oxidizes at 75C[2] (Ga2O3, mass fraction 0.12) which is a totally achievable temperature range. This is not even considering the fact that the other components on the LM can oxidize, and they likely will.
Other interesting things to note:
1. The thermal conductivity of CuGa2 (the principal alloy of gallium and copper) at 20C is 98 W/(m⋅K). Copper's thermal conductivity at 20C is 400 W/(m⋅K).
2. We have no idea what exactly is in LM, the formulations are proprietary - but it's been said that the consistencies of Coolaboratory CLU & grizzly conductonaut are not the same so clearly whatever is in this stuff varies and lead to different results.
3. Simply buffing the residue off the copper heatsink and reapplying the LM might be OK. The GaCu alloy is obviously not as good of a heat conductor as pure copper but it's not clear how deep the gallium will attack. If eventually you keep reapplying LM and the gallium can't penetrate its own pitting then it's effectively self-limiting and you end up with a 'stable' LM application.
These papers are interesting if you want to learn more about the process:
1. www.ipme.ru/e-journals/RAMS/no_81808/grigoryeva.pdf
2. sci-hub.ac/www.scientific.net/DDF.326-328.227
3. forum.notebookreview.com/threads/something-to-think-about-liquid-metal-compatibility-with-copper-heat-sinks.800890/
TL;DR
Liquid metal pastes react with copper heatsinks (aggravated by oxidation and higher temperatures) until the gallium in the paste is totally absorbed by the copper heatsink and you end up in thermal runaway. The damage to the copper is permanent, but if you keep reapplying the LM whenever this happens you may end up with a stable LM application. LM is much more stable when used under the heatspreader of a desktop CPU, since the heatspreader is nickle-plated and way less reactive to the LM.
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Ok, from the top, but this time explained like I was a 10 year old. 😂
Thanks for this. Totally forgot that the nickel IHS was the only reason why it was safe for the long term on desktop and not laptops.
@@mikeoxlong6351 10 year old kids doesn't have chemistry lessons at school fyi
Omg
NICE Video love this channel, i just made a video where i liquid metaled an M14xR1 that was hardly working. liquid metal made the thing usable again
one of the best vids ever
"...a memetic poly-alloy".
"What is that?"
"Liquid metal".
The apocalypse is coming, my friends.
I dropped 32C on my cpu and 22C on gpu with konductonaut. Laptop was an eluktronics 17" with i7-7700k and gtx 1060
Did it even have thermal paste to begin with?
Hey, Linus team! I hope we can see a video with more mainstream laptops while using something less risky! And try like three different kinds of thermal compound! I'm really considering this on my VivoBook! (And don't forget TunnelBear.)
Linus. Can you do a review on what's the best thermal paste for both laptop and desktop? And can you clarify which one is excellent and which one is for the budget?
If they still have that laptop and didn't touch the CPU/GPU, I'd love to see how the LM held up over the past 2 years.
Acer Predator G5-793 -15°C and is silience!!! U are my hero!
I heard you should paint-on some clear coat nail polish to protect the exposed resistors. That stuff can be dissolved with a bit of acetone if you need to remove it.
Thanks for the video guys!!!! I wanna try it on my Alienware 17R5.
Do you think they ever set google chrome as their default?? 2:02
no
Is that heat sink copper? A galvanic reaction may happen between the gallium and the copper, eating away at the liquid metal. May damage the heat sink and require reapplication every few months.
aeroengpilot just watch the 1 year after vids all over TH-cam regarding copper heatsinks.
3 years?? I ended up repasting my 7 year old i7 MBP with Kryonaut and saw good results. No thermal throttling and about a 5 degree drop. Was that a delid or a laptop? The lid on a desktop CPU is nickel plated so there are no issues with liquid metal.
By heat spreader do you mean you delidded your laptop or did you add an extra part? Sorry I'm not a computer expert but if you can get it to work and have the liquid metal stay liquid for 3 years I may have to try it too. Are you getting those massive 20 degree temp drops? Have you opened it up just to see what it looks like?
I’d really like to see how this would effect the unibody MacBooks Pro if you used it between the cpu/gpu cooler and the bottom plate of the MacBook . As well as it’s traditional spot. I mean if it’s designed to cool the laptop with the body then wouldn’t some kind of thermal compound help that?
What you did here is similar to what Im going through my MSI GS63VR with a GTX 1060 runs games like butter... At least when it's cool. Once I start a decent game it heats to the 90s in seconds I'm gonna try this.
It sounds like “liquid metal” is just some form of gallium considering they’re warning against use with aluminum.
Gallium soaks into aluminum and makes it extremely brittle and weak.
Edit: 3:02 he does say it’s made from a gallium alloy.
Use gold leaf, works even better.
Really?
Since it's not liquid, I think the surface contact can't be as good?
Wouldn’t silver be better and ~50x cheaper?
TheDutyPaid are you serious? Does it actually work?
Sorry, I have to 1up you. I would use Graphene Sheets.
I run a razer blade 15 2018 base model
With Lm whent from 98c to 75c
23 degree drop crazy.It's been just less than a year and I just applied my second coat of liquid metal. It was a little dry but I believe that was because I applied to little to be safe once it really soaks in your good haha I put 4 coats of conformal coating the first time before my second application I added two coats. Just go slow and be patient. Totally worth it.
I did some research and there is one more thing to be considered. Gallium (main metal inside LM) in contact with copper gets into it over time, that's why sometimes people can't get rid of it when it "dried out" - it doesn't really dry out. It created sort of an alloy, bacame "one", like sunk into it. Of one thing I'm not sure - if this is a bad thing or not... What I'm sure of is that it won't be a pure copper anymore (heatsink, at least a part of it), more of a "CuGa". That's the only thing keeping me away from applying it to my A17R4...
Using some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut I got my i7 4700HQ running 15°C cooler under load, and my GTX 850m about 10-12°C cooler too bringing some performance back thanks to no CPU throttling
But why?
Mechanought the fuck do you mean "but why"???
Nick Faber It's a question. Broad, granted, but pretty straightforward. Why go through the whole process to squeeze a tiny bit more performance out of a mid-range laptop-grade 4th gen i7 and low-end mobile GPU? I'm all for keeping things running, but at this point min-maxing your performance on a laptop like that makes no sense to me. Just curious what the reasoning is.
That's interesting, thanks for sharing! My laptop is with the same processor, i7 4700HQ and with the GTX 880m. With my last paste AC5, my gpu can get 82ish°C and my cpu 80-85°C max. I wonder if I can lower those numbers down to 75°C, but not sure if I would risk it yet :)
+levleboss can you tell me what was your maximum temp. of ur CPU and GPU before Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and after?
I just kept thinking about T-1000.
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I always crack up when Linus goes full Billy Mays 😂
Gallium has a neat way of interacting with aluminium. It basically melts aluminium. It can take hours for it to really have an effect, though, so that laptop might actually be dead now. It mostly depending on if the solder points had a long enough contact with enough gallium, how much tin was in the solder, how much of the "liquid metal" was gallium, and if there wasn't some material keeping the gallium away from the tin (like a cleaning solution used on the motherboard after the soldering process).
5:18 after this I genuinely freaked out
ProTips: A solder wick will soak up the liquid metal.
Great idea
About to get a bucket of these and dip my whole pc in this baby
Please try this on a Noctua cooler, NH-D15 and smaller ones too!
Linus could you make a video about how to activate the display option in nvidia control panel on laptops because on every laptop I had it did`t have the display option.
Try it you will be suprised.
P.S. I am using a acer predator 17 G9
P.S. I relized that in the video "GTX 1080 in an ULTRABOOK??" the option was`t there.