The (Possible) Silver Lining Behind the NSO Situation
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The NSO Expansion Pack is a massive disappointment, but what if I told you things might (MIGHT) improve a whole lot moving forward?
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This whole video was speculative nonsense. Corporation does presentation. Corporation promises added value. This isn't substantive news. It's investor jargon. Love your videos, Arlo. This wasn't a great one though. lol
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Pokemon shinning diamond full review when?
wait you don't want your ISP to know your bank details?
@@ScutoidStudios Pokemon shinning pearl review when?
My biggest fear with this whole thing is that while they apparently have a lot of stuff on the horizon for NSO, they will make an even more expensive tier when those additions happen. While this tier that they just released continues to be neglected and drip fed over the rest of the switches life cycle. That was the big concern for me with this “expansion”, was this precedent for the high price point will set the next tier even higher and unreasonable. Inflation essentially.
I agree that what you said is definitely an option. I'm hoping what's going on is that Nintendo put the price so high to "future-proof" their pricing for a while. It seems high now until they actually add in what they want, then it will seem like a good deal. They put the price high now so they won't have it up again for a long while. I could very much be wrong but I hope I'm not.
@@Sir_Psych I want to agree with that but I mean we all said that about the original price too "oh they'll add more than nes and snes in the future so 20 a year is worth it"
My biggest fear is that everything is transitioning to a subscription based model and pretty soon we’ll only own all the old stuff that you could still outright buy for a flat fee.
@@PunsandPixels to me it seems they only care about the money now. Virtual console was and always will be vastly superior to a subscription service
@@Zachruff I honestly the nes and SNES are not missing many games.
I know its tempting to say "Nintendo Online isn't worth it now, but it will be better later so we need to support it now" but don't fall for it. Nintendo is not some struggling up-and-comer, and NSO is not a one-time purchase or even a legacy-pricing service that promises to never increase costs if you jump in now. You are only buying access to what is available now until the end of your sub - if what is available during that subscription time is not worth that much to you do not buy it. If and when the service give enough of what you want that it's worth the given price for that period of time, buy it then. You and only you get to choose how much your money is worth
I can't believe people need to be reminded basic consumer common sense.
yes yes yes thank you for this comment you’re like the only one in this comment section making sense and not licking nintendo’s boot lol
This should be common sense yeah, but I never heard Arlo say anything like this?
@@arieljourdan2375 Welcome to the horrific world of nintendo fans.
I think the problem with Nintendo fans (as a consumer group) is that they don't vote with their wallets. Just look at No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, and GTA Trilogy for recent examples of how expressing discontent through not buying or asking for refunds compels companies to apologize and start correcting their mistakes. Nintendo fans get mad at Nintendo for their decisions, but then buy the product/service anyway, and then they hope this is the last time Nintendo mistreats them. Nintendo does it again and the cycle repeats. At the end of the day, Nintendo's goal is to make money. "Building a long relationship with the customer" doesn't mean having them happy, but having them pay. If the customer is unhappy and still pays, then it's not Nintendo's problem. It will be Nintendo's problem once and only once the unhappy customers stop paying.
Not all of us are like that, but we are definitely out numbered.
Yeah, I didn’t get the expansion pack, voting with our wallets and using capitalism to our (the consumers) advantage is the best way to go about this.
The thing is, lots of people think capitalism only helps rich people. It doesn’t. It’s supply and demand, which means, the consumers can help the economy by making their own decisions. If the company is not making money, they will improve, but if they make too much money, they will try and cut corners.
That's not EVERY Nintendo Fan, there are like... There's also to factor in that some of those fans are kids or people who don't even really know or care about this stuff... And the people who think everything they do is perfect and they can do no wrong...
I agree with this 100%! Pokémon SW/SH are a total Shit show of games. They are awful with bare minimum effort. Everyone for the most part agrees. But it still sold 23M copies. Smh. 🤦♂️
Yup. Nintendo has cultivated perhaps the most toxically un-critical fanbase in the history of gaming, and it's hard for me to share Arlo's optimism that future "value-added services" will be any better than the likes of the NSO Expansion or Pokemon Home, or for Nintendo's future in general. No matter how low they stoop, the pushback is never enough to balance out the tens of millions of unquestioning consumers who will buy no matter what.
As a member of a marketing team, this all looks like standard marketing lingo. Hopefully you're right and they have some bigger plans.
Same as NordVPN hehe
As an observant normie, let them dream. After all, much like the American dream, it will stay a dream.
@@trithos7308 most accurate thing I've read today
He is just too naive or biased (not intentionally) to understand that all Nintendo said in those videos is they're going to continue doing the same thing regardless of any backlash because they know the fans will buy it anyways. Nothing from the video I heard matched what Arlo interpreted it as and that is because they purposely use that language to mislead intentions to the average consumer.
@@notneeded5777 yup, exactly that. Everything in those slides basically was just marketing speak for, we will continue to do more of the same stuff we're doing because it's working.
Expansion pack was one of the biggest excitement followed by "oh..." kinds of disappointment I've felt in a while
I saw the N64 emulation thing downloaded it tried to play it and an immediate “oh cash grab” came to my mind and i really wanted to play it
From the greatest Smash reveal to the worst software reveal....
I remember being like "even if it's double the price, I'll be there day 1 for Paper Mario, F-Zero and Banjo"
Then it was even more expensive and I'm not sure we'll get F-Zero before June. I'm not even renewing my standard NSO subscription.
@@TheDeathmail more like a trailer to the best Animal Crossing update and ended with a huge disappointment with that pricing for NSO+
Yeah, same here
"there's a reason you hear about nord so much"
Me: CAUSE THEY PAY YOU- oh.
Because they were in the news that their network had been breached for months before they informed their users. Will never support them because your data could be at risk and they'd never tell you until it was too late.
@@xersys2556 source: just trust me bro
Hey man they pay the bills, I can respect you for being so choosey but I can’t fault a muppet for wanting to eat
I heard it's big in Skyrim...
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I am assuming "Value-Added Services" means "more services to pay for". When they finally add Game Boy games to the service, we're going to be paying extra.
I just want to own them, not "own" them until the service goes down or I don't feel like paying for the subscrption.
This is correct. "value added" is just marketing speak for "paid for extras"
I'd probably be willing to go easier on nso if the connection for most Nintendos games was actually stable like other consoles. Even with my friends and I all using wired setups it can still be painfully laggy alot of the time, it's such an unacceptable standard for this era of gaming.
Agreed, honestly my Wii U has better internet connection. It sucks that Nintendo is making us pay for a basic service that isn't even as good as their previous console.
I’m guessing Smash Ultimate is one of the games you all play that is laggy even with a wired connection?
@@DBlue92_ Yes because they use a network connection called peer to peer and it depends on both connection not just one. When you go to quick play eventually you're gonna play against random people across the planet with various speeds of internet, ethernet or not while you can have fiber optic high speed internet and it won't even matter. And Smash online even a with high speed internet on both ends still feels like a completely different game.
@@Oceanandskylinevidss Is peer to peer just in Nintendo's games or all Switch games? Like, if you play a multiplatform game with decent netplay, is it worse? If it's just that Nintendo's games have bad online play, that's not really a problem with the service, but Nintendo's netcode.
@@kfcnyancat Yeah, NSO won't be able to fix that, games that don't use Nintendo's netcode like Rocket League works great for me, but Smash Ultimate is a gamble
It really feels like Nintendo is run by two competing factions: One faction that is passionate about creating fun products and games for the world to enjoy, and another faction of greedy suits whose only goal is to increase profits. And it's painfully obvious which faction is responsible for which decisions.
Almost like another gaming company which is currently in the wringer for how the greedy higher ups are mistreating their passionate workers for years now.
And the funny thing is, that one isn't even a Japanese company!
And it still is openly shitting on human rights
@@wight4991 If you are talking about Activision here, then that is not even close to comparable. Activision and it's development studios are rotten to the core. There aren't two factions that run this shitshow with a passionate and a greedy site. It's only the greedy, inhuman, and disgusting site that has power there. The passionate people there are the abused and mistreated working class.
I don't know for a fact how Nintendo treats their employees, but since i haven't seen any reports about bad work culture at Nintendo, i'm just gonna assume it's different there.
@@Smeik2901 that at the end is the kind of optimism that got ripped out of my soul 2 years ago when it comes to the gaming industry.
Kinda like Atlus. Dope games, awful DLC practices
@@Smeik2901 tbf Activision HAD passionate developers who cared about their work and their fans, and I say “had” bc they keep either firing or losing the few people who gave 2 sh*ts about their work, there’s barely anyone who cares about anything in that company anymore, Activision has really topped EA imo
Alro, your never ending hope in the face of Nintendo’s rock-brained despair will always astound and inspire me you wonderful nerd💙♥️
Well when you dedicate your whole channel around Nintendo, anyone would be on that COPIUM hard. You kind of have to be when it comes to dealing with Nintendo. But what I like about Arlo is that he never compromises his opinion just because he's a fan of things. He's always honest and I can at least respect that
Alro rules
We all love Alro
@Jacob Eubank None is better than one another. That kind of mentality is dumb. They each offer unique things that the other doesn't. They all are great
Microsoft has amazing legacy content with their backwards compatibility able to play quite a lot of games all the way back to the original Xbox on their latest console, amazing services like Gamepass,
Sony with their great PS store (way better than the E shop objectively), customizability of the Playstation consoles, custom themes, folders, music, etc. with banger exclusives and
Then there's Nintendo that has amazing exclusives, portability and accessibility options.
Sub to alro.
That Metroid with a Fedora is the cutest thing I have seen today!
Redditor metroid smh
*Tips fedora* M’etroid
Is that not a trilby?
I think the best way to have a good relationship with consumers is to not treat them like garbage at every opportunity
Or view us like walking money bags.
I'm not very optimistic about NINTENDO improving this service when it started being paid back in like late 2017...
I wouldn't support that, frankly your ideal situation sounds like my nightmare. Subscription exclusive games, no matter how good a deal, makes me sick. Stuff like Xbox Live is different since those games are also for sale individually. Make the service a good deal, include a lot of games with it, but the most important part is that the games are available individually on the EShop for real purchase.
Yeah I would gladly spend like 3-5 dollars on snes and 8 for n64
I've actually been buying n64 games on the wii u just because I like the feeling of knowing I have them and I can play whenever I want. I'd really rather buy them individually than pay a subscription, I don't wanna depend on something to let me play, I want to know they're there for me
@@katoshi6464 They're still on Wii U? Maybe my system will be useful for more than just HD Zelda games...
@@KoopaKontroller For now. Definitely buy them all while you can because I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo shuts down the Wii U eshop in a year or so.
@@KoopaKontroller you can also Mod it and run GameCube games from sd or usb roms without even needing to emulate them
Edit: unless you have a very powerful pc where you can run dolphin in hd no problem
This strategy to expand into merchandise and movies really reminds me of what Pokemon has been doing for years. And that makes even more sense considering Furukawa's connections to The Pokemon Company. I just hope Nintendo actually commits to quality games as they say.
Oh, God, I don't even want to think about Nintendo going the way Pokemon has gone, shifting its focus away from video games into mobile games and loads of merchandising...
@@fuyuseetaa I don't think it would be like that, think about all the other series that ARENT mario zelda and pokemon. They have almost zero merchandise of any kind officially at least I never see any of it besides statues not counting amiibo. Like I want a good Quality falco plushie that sounds cool but there isn't official stuff like that I can just find anywhere I think that's the real goal in the future
@@AlphaladZXA What are the chances that Nintendo would license Goodsmile to make Figma figures of Fox and Falco just like they did with Link and Samus because we really need more high quality Smash Bros. figures.
@@AlphaladZXA I need more K.Rool plushes in my life. Give me the kroc boi
Even at their worst Nintendo always provides quality games (for the most part), so I’m confident that won’t change anytime soon
Nintendo’s actions speak louder than their words. If they wanted to add a complete virtual console library, then they would have done it already. I believe they will try expanding in mobile games and merchandising, but their online services will always be limited/drip-fed for the sake of profit.
Exactly, they've had over four and a half years and the best they could do is nine N64 games? It's insulting.
@@jonathanwilliams1271 It’s pathetic
For the library it's just better to use emulation until Nintendo decides to do it for real, actually trying to implement every came they can afford from a licensing standpoint...
Which probably equals to using emulation forever
@@antusFireNova64 from a licensing standpoint they’re all owned by Nintendo. I highly disagree that it would take a significant amount of time
It fascinates me how people spend their lives imagining scenarios and then getting mad over them...
It would literally have to be halved in price for me to even consider this service.
For me to consider the service at all, it would at least need gamecube games - everything else I've played before. Nintendo seems determined on making Gamecube games difficult to play. To play gamecube, you need to A - buy a gamecube, and get the games you want, or buy a Wii U or other console and hope it has a port of the game you want. Or you could just get dolphin for free.
For me, they would need to "better emulate" the games that are on it. To make a long explanation short: there are free emulators out there that more faithfully recreate the original look of the games than the paid one that Nintendo is hosting.
@@WasatchWind I'm telling you now it's probably not happening. If anything those are what could potentially replace all the Wii U ports they have been doing and are almost out of, GC remasters resold for 60$
@@84warhead This. Wii and GC are practically the same console internally, so their remasters would go hand in hand.
@@AlphaladZXA lol no they didn't. First gc games were super rare as rereleases especially standalone. All I can think of off the top of my head is WWHD. Secondly they were still cheap. WWHD was $20 MP trilogy was 60 but 3 games and it dropped to 20 on Wii u. Sunshine was also with other games.
I think Nintendo continuing to ask us to trust them going forward is a huge leap of faith when they won't even tease a smidge of their future plans. At this point, it sounds like the Expansion Pack isn't going to be worth sticking with beyond this year.
I refuse to pay for even a year of this. This is such blatant anti-consumerism and should not be rewarded.
*beyond hearing about it
@@scratchsoft2347 Then i hope they still have enough money for themselves after purchasing it
Well, their games are good.
"or they could just add a whole lot of tears"
I think that's inevitable Arlo.
I think everyone is already dried up at this point.
I assume you know he meant 'tiers'.
@@davidpoketrainer that's the joke.
@@gregoryolenovich6440 Just checking you never can tell these days.
I'm pretty sure when Nintendo said "adding value" they meant adding value for them and the shareholders not for the customers. Meaning they are going to find more ways to charge us.
I think the issue is that the Expansion + is starting out of the gate charging for what it LATER will have. As in, eventually it will be very worth the price, however it's not worth that price right now. Or at least, theoretically it isn't. I'm sure a vast majority of people with even a small interest have stomached the cost if I had to guess.
Just like Kirby Star Allies 🥲
@@Premium_Jelly yeah this seems to be a common model for Nintendo's games this console generation. I don't mind it personally plus you can opt out of expansion+ if you don't see the value and still use online!
I think someone assumed that legally playing Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64 online was worth the $50. 😂
There's no reason to think they won't just start charging more once the value catches up with the current price. If people pay for being screwed now, Nintendo has no reason to stop screwing them. The only way the value will catch up is if people vote with their wallets and don't buy until it's a good deal.
@@hotdoggington6962 Well that's the interesting thing, something is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. Never more or less.
I'm honestly probably going to let my NSO expire this Christmas. Me and my sister have a family account but both of us have hardly used it. I can't even remember the last time I played online on a Nintendo game. Part of that is their crappy network, which isn't helped at all by my poor internet speed.
Same. The NES/SNES games were the only thing I was actually using, and I have most of those games on cartridge. Online would be for ... what? Splatoon? Not unless they actually solve the squid party problem (i.e., every match being decided by which team got the troll who paints 0p).
I really wish I had been paying for NSO, just so I could cancel it after that announcement lol
As soon as the announcement was made, I cancelled my subscription. I haven't touched my Switch in over a year, and I don't want to reward Nintendo for greedy business decisions. Piracy and emulation are only going to continue to rise as it offers a better experience than official releases.
I didn't like it, until a friend of mine offered to put me on his family plan and I was like, "YES!"
Same. I was on a family plan with just my girlfriend but we merged with a friend of mine's family so now we have a full 8-person subscription that costs me $10 a year.
When I don’t have it I hate it, when I do have it I love it. This truly says a lot about society.
@@notyageek Finally you don't have to hold on to your girlfriend anymore, just to keep the family plan! :D j/k
@@Frytoons manlike consumerism
@@Frytoons well in their case the price isn’t an issue to them, if you were to buy it normally with the 80 dollars a year, it would be worse. It’s alternate take on a product that uses external advantages, which shouldn’t be talked of when mentioning the value of said product.
It's crazy how much Nintendo disrespects their own legacy by making their older games so hard to play
They probably gotta sell the new ones.
@@SgtSega They can do both. Microsoft has made a big push for backwards compatibility on Xbox but is still offering Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, etc. The older games are not going to make the new games undesirable unless the new games are worse.
@@johnmarstall I mean pricing. Why give the fans older games to own for cheap when they can charge more for a service? Why even give them older games when they can buy the new ones for 60 bucks a pop? Nintendo is getting greedy.
This isn’t what Iwata would have wanted….
At this rate, they've been making Disney look good by comparison.
Hope that, with Paper Mario coming in a few days, we can finally get the exposure the series REALLY deserves. Seriously, if anyone of you were first exposed to Paper Mario via Origami King, i'd suggest giving the first game a try once it reaches the service, cause you're gonna be missing out on what made the series amazing in the first place.
I hope so too! Fav game in the series
Ehh I feel that TTYD is MILES better.
I have a quote for this NSO situation and it's future:
"Have confidence! No confidence!" - Inugami Korone
If Nintendo REALLY wants NSO to be better with + EP, they need to start listening to us.
yeah, but when's the last time they've ever done that, right?
sooo add every previous console's games to NSO?
@@swap9649 nah just the popular offsale ones
@@ScripulousFingore6133 probably the wii u era, and even then they made some dumb marketing decisions, but at least they dropped prices of consoles and games unlike now where besides the controllers they've only reduced prices in sales and they're very stingy with their first party games getting sales, especially if its not black Friday jfc
@@thotiusthemad5318 like how samus returns and kid icarus STILL haven't been ported to switch
I didn't like it, but then I downloaded dolphin and all my problems were solved!
Not surprising that Nintendo showcased the DS, Wii, and Switch on that slide. They were showcasing their successful systems. No chance they want investors even remotely thinking of the WiiU.
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Arlo in the bargaining phase of grief.
"Value-Added Services" makes my mind immediately think of the community-centric apps that Nintendo did on previous systems, like Swapdoodle, Flipnote Studio, Miiverse, Everybody Votes, etc. Something similar could work really well as part of NSO, and maybe give it some broader appeal compared to bundling in some oldschool games (although I think they should keep doing that too!). Seems kinda like a no-brainer?
I'd be all for a new service as a successor to Miiverse as part of NSO, I miss having the ability to communicate directly with other people playing my favorite games on the system. If they do eventually add something like this, It would be fun to see it integrated in future games like Miiverse was on the WiiU!
Also I have to add, this would mean we finally have a way to DM people on our friends list! Though I'm not sure how I feel about locking that behind an extra paywall in addition to the standard subscription...
@@Aidea._. Yeah I agree, the basic services that the Wii U & 3DS had should always be free and it should be console standard by now!
Value added services? I think of Microsoft gamepass.
Well having a paid account might discourage people from being disrespectful online, since three strikes could void their subscription- all the round making a very safe environment for gamers to chat. So less of a MIIverse problem, but still a MIIverse problem in case people decide to anyway.
erm... typical nintendo fan boy going to bat for reggie, talking about obscure mspaint clones like """flipnote studio"" :/
ngl you seem like kiiiind of a citizen of the UK. maybe buy an XBOX next time buddy...
I think adding more DLC would add value, like "what if paying for online meant never buying overpriced Nintendo DLC ever again?"
For context I live in Australia, so here Breath of the Wild bundled with the DLC is around $140, all Nintendo 1st party games are around $90 stand-alone, so if Nintendo turned around and said "because you bought the expansion pack every paid DLC for first party games are included alongside you 100+ retro games", then that's DLC for Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Smash Ultimate, animal crossing, Hyrule warriors AoC (Maybe) plus more alongside a selection of both the best and worst Nintendo has to offer. That screams value to me personally
I just want to play fun video games. I don't want to deal with subscription tiers and accounts and all that nonsense.
Honestly, to me, it just seems like a convoluted way of having consumers pay them consistently without actually letting us *own* anything, and I think that sucks.
My biggest concern is that they're charging a price now for how much content we'll *maybe* have in a few years, and I don't believe for a minute that the price won't increase further by that time
It just….dawned on me how MUCH Arlo is really an adult. Like, HE READS the financial reports. That’s….a LOT.
Of course! He has a lot of Arlos to feed. My man needs to be educated
One problem with this: I find it hard to see third parties and other companies basically just signing over their games for all of eternity. I'm looking at you Microsoft's Banjo Kazooie. Maybe they have agreed to take some agreed-upon percentage of the NSO membership fee for as long as it runs...but probably only for a system or two. Probably not forever.
Plus, Nintendo just...cannot stay on a single track most of the time. When the Switch 3's gimmick turns out to be VR goggles or something, which makes it incompatible with previous software types...they'll drop it for their fun new gimmick. And no software is 100% future-proof, so they'll have to change it anyway when we all move to...quantum computing or something.
One thing to consider.
It looks like Sony have had their hand forced by Microsoft into offering a better subscription service then what they offer now (at least if leaks are true). I wonder if the same is true with Nintendo, that Microsofts insanely good value game pass has forced their hand into offering something comparable
I wanna believe, I really do, but Nintendo needs to give out at least a breadcrumb of good faith. Until then, it’s a “believe it when I see it situation”.
You know I wouldn't mind paying for a monthly version of NSO Expansion or of they had offered a free trial version, especially to longtime subscribers like myself so I could at least try it. If they are actually going to add a lot more to the service then definitely make it worth the money.
I would not be nearly as upset with paying the same amount fo money on a monthly rate, since the weak currency where I live makes the annual rate ridiculously expensive. It's a lot of money to ask someone to drop at once. I only got it because the first year came with a big discount and I wanted to play N64 games officially that badly.
I do still really hope we get non-subscription ways of playing the games, like the Sega collections and stuff like that.
@@nataliejarosz9360 at this point you should just stop caring about officiality. I completely get it but in cases like this it's totally not worth it
Honestly I could forgive **most** of my grievances with NSO and the Expansion pass if Nintendo came out and said the reasoning behind the premium $50 price is because they're future proofing it for upcoming systems and content and etc.
If I KNEW gamecube was on the horizon, or coming next gen, or etc; and that's why the price is what it is, I'd honestly be able to swallow that pill quite well.
Just fucking communicate with us Nintendo 😭
Would you?
You're still paying for content you are not getting now.
Paying for the future so you can also pay then isn't good.
Getting the expansion pass adds 2.50 a month to the cost of NSO, with all the games you get, with online features added, that is in fact a great deal, only to become a better and better deal.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 why not? I did the exact same thing with the Smash Fighter passes. Seems like my investment paid off to me.
Telling me what to pay for and for what reason also isn't good lol
@@CBreezie the smash fighter pass you pay once and that's it. Paying for it 1 year ago vs paying for it now doesn't change the amount you pay.
The switch online is not like that, if you pay it now, you have to pay a certain amount now plus the same amount again 1 year into the future too, while if you wait 1 year you pay less.
With fighter pass, even if it took time for the stuff you really wanted, it could debatably still have been worth it; with switch online, if you have to wait for the suff you want, it makes 0 sense to pay it right away
@@WatchDoggyDog but if you don't care about the features that are available now it makes no sense, if it takes time before it actually has the things you want it's just better to wait, otherwise you spend more for no reason
They NEED to keep this going over the next systems. They CANNOT start from scratch again.
"We want to add value!" Ten years later you have to pay $300 a year for a NSO account, every game is broken down and sold in "episodes" to where they are more expensive as digital games than they WOULD BE as physical games... Which won't exist. Don't forget the problem that is the DLC problem. Devs finish a game, but rip out half of it to sell as DLC. From my point of view? It WON'T be better... Things SOUND great to the share holders, but it's padded fluff work. I don't trust that company anymore, hands down. They want to gain my trust again? They can send me a OLED WITH VK's joy-con drift fix applied because the scalpers and their bots keep buying ALL OF THEM! After they do that? I'll think about sticking around.
online sucks but dlc is fine. it teaches people to manage their money and not buy games without really being careful. instead of buying sword for 60 and then 30 you wait and then buy it for 30 30 for a very good experience. and trust me this adds to the dopamine 100%
This was the fear I had about 10 years ago, when the "twelve different pre-order bonuses" trend was at its utter stupidest, and DLC was just starting to make CEOs see the dollar signs. The fact that Nintendo is only _halfway_ to the dystopia you describe instead of _all the way_ is encouragement to me, at least. There's still some good stuff to squeeze out of it before they take the Nintendo we love out back and shoot it for good.
@@johnmarkson1998 This is like saying it is fine I walk into your house and shoot you in the leg. Then you don't take legal action against me because you were "Not careful enough"
This just ends up making it happen more often to more people and eventually it goes from "leg" to "In the head"
Am I the only one who wants to see Arlo branch out a bit? Like, a full video game variety channel? I’ll stay no matter what, but I’d like to see something new.
Every once in a while Arlo makes a video that get me thinking about how he does the recordings with that puppet. Lol. This time him bumping the Metroid did it 🤣
Nintendo: chances are not good
ARLO: So what are the chances
Nintendo: Well out of a million...
Arlo: So your saying there's a chance?!
What I don't like about the peoplethat are defending the expansion pack priceis that they're saying it's fine because of the price of base nso and you're getting more stuff so it's fine. Nobody is paying for nso for the nes and snes games. They're paying for it so they can play splatoon, smash bros, animal crossing, pokemon and whatever else online. It's just a bonus on top of it. That's why the price is so outrageous to most people.
This is exactly how I feel. I pay for NSO to play Splatoon and Animal Crossing. I couldn't care less about most of the NES/SNES games and the few I do care about I would rather just outright own on my Switch so I could play them offline. There are games in the expansion pack that I'd like to play but again I'd rather buy the games individually.
20 bucks for online and cloud is still cheap.
We should get used to expecting the worst from Nintendo. Anyone who has hope for them are fooling themselves. Nintendo is too rich to even consider making changes
I think that Nintendo is too rich to act this badly to their consumers.
They’re the only ones who own all of these older IPs, games, music, and yet, they’re still not doing anything with them. They’re wasting their time on things that nobody wants, and for no real reason 🤦
Nah
@@dankenstin8803 not true
@@WatchDoggyDog Fool!
@@ScripulousFingore6133 Dude just ignore him he is not worth your time and patience
I just thought of something...
Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door on Arlo Plays, PLEASE
Expansion Pack shouldn't JUST be emulation. The online needs to actually be good, voice chat shouldn't need a phone, it costs too much as is, lacks anything for third-party titles or indie games, it's just a BAD system that can't be improved unless it's basically revamped completely.
Voice chat could never work with purely the Switch unless a revision is made, the Switch doesn’t have a mic
Paying $50 a year to play one or two games you care about will always be a bad value. NSO will always be anti consumer as long as Nintendo puts everything behind a paywall without an option to buy select games individually.
#BringBackVirtualConsole
They've launched with nine N64 games. Two years of NSO+ will cost more than just buying them outright. That's crazy.
I think "value added" is just cooperate speak for up sell. I don't think it means move value for the service.
Zane still doing a bunch of lovely legal stuff for the world
I also love the references to noah the vaguely hipstery artist guy in the new Arlo video, on his desk he has Noah's hat on his metroid, and his camera off to the side
I was wondering who else was on his family account.
In 5 years, this video will be flooded by either "This aged like milk" comments or "This aged really well" comments
In 5 years, this comment will be flooded by either "This aged like milk" replies or "This aged really well" replies
Why wait?
I've always hated that NSO is the reason the Virtual Console isn't a thing on the Switch eShop. I would love to buy certain Snes and N64 games and not just rent them. Nintendo is probably afraid they would lose 30 to 55% of NSO subscriptions if they gave us the choice.
I like the idea that Nintendo wants to perpetually compound value onto their network-based gaming platform, but right now the platform they have is kinda shitty from the ground up. I don't know if I have enough faith in Nintendo and the system they have in place currently to handle an extended production plan. The Switch is a great concept device but it was outdated when it released. NSO is bad hands down, and Nintendo still hasn't really figured out the network infrastructure necessary to run an all-encompassing entertainment biz - cloud streaming in particular shouldn't stumble as poorly as it does. I really really wish they would solidify their foundations before cementing a long-term plan to integrate everything they make into this internet of bugs, glitches, poor performance, and ancient hardware. The latest financial report kinda rings hollow to me, a lowly western consumer
One of the first things I said when I got my hands on the switch in 2017 was that it felt like a beta console, or just something that felt unfinished, but I gave it the benefit of the doubt because it was new. Since then practically nothing has changed in the OS except adding a red NSO button that has absolutely no purpose. It's a very unpolished messy console, especially when you have tons of games on the thing (Impossible to sort through them). The 3DS had an incredibly optimizable home menu with themes, badges, folders, and even an internet browser. Anyways, point is, Nintendo only knows how to make games, everything else they have done lately is trying their best to piggy back off the competition and failing miserably.
@@pewpewmaster1 no one really cares about all that. its the games thats the focus. there is always a minority of fans in every comment section complaining about the themes and the icons etc. these comments do get likes but these people will never waste their time asking nintendo for that kinda stuff when the games themselves and online netcode are way more important.
@@johnmarkson1998 that’s true, games should be the main focus of course. For me though I care a lot about customization, and Nintendo lacks the most in that department, that’s really all I’m getting at
Sorry but NSO is worth 20 bucks for the games alone.
@@johnmarkson1998 eh, no one's bothered to focus on it because storage and functionality on the Switch is so limited you'll hardly ever have the space to use more than the first 5 programs on the start screen.
The only thing that slide makes me hope for is that the service MIGHT continue to the next console, but right now calling the current situation "drip feed" is being way too optimistic. We're currently at 6 months without a new NES game and 5 months without new SNES games. The feed is stopped and dry
Yeah it has officially stopped dripping
This would be a good way to re-invent backwards compatibility.
It would be like Steam, but classy.
I just hope they has better prices, stronger internet connections, allow
mods and fan games, and maybe even stream service wrights. It's strange to dream.
Zane the Computer Guy is the most dangerous man on Earth
love your videos arlo. Catching up on all of your new ones now!
I love, and I share, this optimism. Thanks, Arlo~
As much as I want to be hopeful on this silver lining for NSO as you Arlo, I strongly do not think the NSO will massively improve in the future.
Nintendo has had a reputation for always delivering bad or subpar online services since the Wii, and the only redeeming qualities of them being that they were cheap to use compared to the competition (free with the Wii and Wii U, and $20 dollars on basic NSO); but with NSO Expansion Pack being $50 dollars per year means the only redeeming quality of Nintendo's online services is gone, so now they have to massively improve the service to truly compete against PlayStation Plus's and Xbox Live Gold's $60 dollar annual plans.
Unfortunately, all Nintendo has done is simply add new games to NSO at a slow pace, never really improving the service itself. And the drip feed has just been confirmed to continue, as Nintendo will give us for the Expansion Pack service Paper Mario (N64) this December, and that's it. Great game, but only 1 new N64 game for NSO in this 1.5 month time frame since the Expansion Pack came out, it only tells me that we will be getting 1 N64 game per 1-2 months, which means for us to get all the leaked 38 NSO N64 games, we have to wait at least 2-3 years for NSO Expansion Pack to have enough N64 games for people to actually wanna play them. And this is not even factoring that we aren't getting NES and SNES games attached to Paper Mario this December, which sucks. You'd think they could at least include one or 2 NES or SNES games with Paper Mario (as they kind of did with the SNES games when those were first added, with those having a few NES games included), but no.
Also we gotta mention that even if we did get all 38 games in just 1 year and not 2 or 3, if the input lag, emulation issues (fog in particular), bad default control scheme issues, and more are not fixed before these get added, no amount of extra content will make these games on NSO good to play on and spend the $50 dollars for annually to play them.
I mean, imagine playing 007 Goldeneye (N64) or Perfect Dark with the current default control scheme, or playing Mario Golf or Fighting games with that extra input lag; it will ruin the games for even those people that didn't grew up with the Nintendo 64.
#BringBackVirtualConsole
I wish they would just charge $3 a month or so, with discounts for longer contracts, for access to online play, WITH VOICE CHAT… and then just let us moderately well-emulated ports of vintage games, like they’ve done for years on Wiis and Wuus and DSesss, and such… please?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Nintendo “adding value” meant adding value just for themselves by raising the NSO subscription cost
I...REALLY...don't understand how anyone can get excited from seeing a slide from a Nintendo investors presentation.
Thing is, I believe that this current drip-feed will continue into the next gen systems. It shouldn't start over like with the WiiU and 3DS. But not knowing the plan in advance isn't great either.
Arlo was all I needed today
Lol that little sorry to the hat was just great , I love your content Arlo 💘
Arlo's plant is looking so happy and I'm so glad 💚🌱✨
I reeeally hope that digital purchases on Switch transfer to and are backwards compatible with the next major Nintendo console.
LOL as if. The entire reason why they're doing this NSO emulation stuff instead of just bringing back Virtual Console like everyone wants is to make you keep paying for games you don't technically own. When the servers shut down you will have paid your subscription many times over and have no games to show for it. You will buy all of your games again on the next Nintendo console because why would Nintendo only take your money once for something they can charge you twice for?
@@ExaltedUriel this is the first generation of console especially for Nintendo where digital purchases are a big deal.
The biggest thing that bothers me is the Animal Crossing DLC being a "big" part of the expansion. I don't play Animal Crossing. I understand there is a huge install base, but not everyone plays it. I've avoided NSO since the Switch came out, and I wont touch it until, if ever, I think it's a real value. So show me more games or bite size adventures like Bowser's Fury and I'll tap in.
These intros have been so good lately! keep it up
Honestly I appreciate the positivity Arlo. Keep it up :D
What do I think?
I think I just watched a 15 minute video on our puppet friend trying to get us to sip the copium with them...
Thinking anything is changing from looking at this is just sad. They literally got sued multiple times over their controllers, and they STILL have not made a change.
And you think they're going to change their rollout?
More power to ya.
I get so excited whenever I see that Arlo has posted another video! Love ya buddy 😁
it is so cute that he has the green screen up and is clearly framed out so much as to not use it, oh you arlo you
This is all REALLY shooting for the stars. I really do Nintendo knows how much they've fumbled the NSO games.
This is a alternate dimension Cookie Monster who lives video games instead of cookies. I love it
Oh have you only just discovered Arlo? Fantastic.
Hacker Arlo unlocked 🔓
7:46 Wii U and 3DS did NOT use Nintendo Accounts. Instead they were “Nintendo Network ID” accounts. When the Switch launched Nintendo allowed people to convert from one account to the other, but in Nintendo’s eyes they were different things.
The Wii U didn't have Nintendo accounts, it had Nintendo Network IDs, that's why it's not represented under the Nintendo Accounts umbrella
I just want the virtual console back
The value added services wedge could also mean that they'll make new services that cost even more instead of adding value to the pre existing services
I think Arlo is the only guy I don't skip the adds on. They are so funny!
There needs to be a compilation of Arlo intros lol. I cannot get over them.
I do feel like something will have to give with the expansion pack, since from everything I’ve seen/heard I can’t imagine it’s getting THAT many subscriptions (even a decent amount of content creators have been skipping out on it from what I’ve seen), and it doesn’t seem like the expansion has much to entice the sort of people who “don’t know better”.
From what I see, only a little over a third of the console’s owners actually bought the service and a fraction of that bought the expansion pack. What I see is the most people couldn’t care less about getting NSO because most aren’t buying it for NSO. They’re buying it for Mario Kart, Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Pokémon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros., etc. Sure most of them do have online options (Splatoon 2 lives and dies by an active playerbase), but most look like they see online as an unnecessary hurdle.
I just can't have much hope when the current NES and SNES libraries are still so barren. How long has it been since we've gotten new SNES games? -and they were like...games I didn't even download when I was a naughty teenager and downloaded every ROM I could find that looked interesting.
That sponsored intro skit was so good!
Loving the props my guy!
Good job looking on the bright side Arlo it’s a nice change for once
I wonder if they're gonna start selling movies on their own, either for rent or an outright purchase, like how you could buy Shrek for GBA. They could start selling like, the Mario movie on the Switch digitally.
Quality VPN advertisement. Didn't hear any technical inaccuracies and it was very entertaining :)
Is there anyway I could get a link to that document?
On the subject of the online service, Paper Mario is coming out on the 10th! Any thoughts it being the first n64 game to be added and do you think it might reignite the fire of the paper Mario fandom for better or worse?
It could go both ways
I have the slightest feeling that Nintendo is gonna be like "hmmm yes it seems Origami King sold more than Paper Mario 64 on the Switch hmmmm uh-huh this must mean people like the Origami King better mhm let's make more games like it!"
It’s almost as if that origami king released on a console with a huge install base and near the middle not being at the end of the consoles life
Wow! At that pace they'll have the full N64 library in 2067! Just be patient guys!
Oh Hey, Zayne the Computer guy here telling you to........
SKIP TO 1:30
What is the name of the song that plays in the background at 1:31?
This is the first time I have entered Arlo into youtube search and came up with our blue buddy instead of a certian singer or some electronics.
Love the positivity arlo
Arlo, you have without a doubt the best sponsor segments of any game channel, I absolutely adore them. 🤣
The term 'value-adding services' sounds like it's more expansion packs and subscriptions, as to what surprise mechanics are to lootboxes.