Lovely improv! Thanks for sharing that with us, Amelia! One thing I love about these videos is that we can not only hear what Amelia, Mike, and Dave are playing, but we can also see their fingerings and technique in general. Technique I find interesting because Lumatone key geometry does put limits on how thumbs can be used, and to a much lesser degree 5 (pinky) fingers. A few other things about it can affect fingerings too. Those technique considerations are of interest to me since, although I’ve played a variety of woodwind and stringed instruments seriously over the years, not until I got my Lumatone did keyboards have enough appeal to me to spend time on - and indeed, it’s my main musical interest now!
Another neat thing about these videos: I’m glad to see that Amelia re-colored her 12-tone-per-octave keyboard layout to (essentially) black and white. I did that on my Lumatone as well. Obviously, we can’t directly hear each other’s color mappings, but that tells us a bit about how we think of the tunings we use with them.
@@newsavefile no, however there are only 12 notes, so a normal keyboard would suffice as long as it can be tuned, as any midi keyboard can using the right software.
Thank you, Amelia, for this. Of all the videos here, yours has helped convince me to get a Lumatone because for me, every composition project is a stream-of-consciousness event where a seed idea planted by chance grows and sends out tendrils of possibility which eventually lead to theme, form and sonic sensations worth experiencing. Using a Lumatone to accomplish all of these goals looks as natural and as much fun as keyboard playing can be.
In my other comment I mentioned technique ramifications of playing the Lumatone. I think that would make a good topic for a video. The comparative shortness of thumbs is one topic, but also, ramifications of reaching keys mapped to continuous controllers, hand position and posture for effective use of poly-aftertouch, and perhaps even more interesting still, any tricks for how to reach unusual (but interesting!) chord shapes.
Every instrument has its limitations. For me the beauty and power of isomorphic layouts such as Lumatone or Linnstrument is the repeatable pattern. So much easier to play and improvise once you're familiar with the shapes for the "important" intervals, and then everything else falls into place around those. I suppose it all really depends on what tuning system you have loaded up!
Can you elaborate on what 12-NEJI is? I like this sound a lot, but it's hard to find precise information on this specific tuning based solely on "12-NEJI". Thanks!
The Xenharmonic wiki describes it as: "a circulating temperament which approximates an equal tuning dividing a JI equave with a subset of a mode of the harmonic series. It is often informally used for a harmonic series approximation of any non-JI scale, e.g. "neji Lydian"." Beyond this explanation, Amelia is far better suited to dive into its merits and magical ways in which it works. There will be more talk on our channel about this tuning in the coming weeks and months!
It's not a precise description of the tuning on its own, there are a whole bunch of near-equal just intonations. Amelia typically likes to construct them by picking a set of the higher harmonics of one particular note far in the bass (not what you'd usually consider the tonic). Those harmonics are chosen in such a way that they come close to some equal temperament. Effectively you obtain a bunch of ratios of the form n/p for some fixed number p which is usually prime, but doesn't strictly need to be (based on the video description, maybe this is a NEJI over 15?). As a consequence of doing this, you get nicely aligned difference tones that give the tunings a very distinctive flavour depending on what p was chosen. See her video titled "Theory of Primodality" for more detail on how it works. Maybe we can get her to chime in on what ratios this particular scale is.
@@cgibbard Thank you - I had the same question, and this explains the general idea really well. And yes, it would be cool also to hear the motives behind this particular one.
Judging by the 15/11 in the description of this video (and also the near 12-tone vibe I'm hearing), it's most likely the tuning you can view in the description of this one: th-cam.com/video/4BBdJly4-OY/w-d-xo.html
The idea of basing a tuning off of a 'family' - let's say /11 - gives more unison in the melodic and harmonic sensations of a tuning (and more rotational freedom). In a way you're emulating the nature of the harmonic series from a different starting point.
Watch out for tornadoes Hoosiers! That sample set makes the Lumitone sound like the worst creaky piano sound I've heard. Is it a celesta? Hard to listen to with all that clacking. I know it's not really there, but it makes the sale bad. I am interested in it.
Funny, I love the sample (i think it might be a Dulcitone?) that she's using. Love that percussive attack on those instruments!! Just shows ya everyone likes different things...
For whatever it’s worth, the Lumatone itself is a MIDI controller, meaning that it has no particular sound in itself. It can make any sound you care to connect it to!
Totally a matter of taste. I happen to really like this sample. It makes me think of an instrument somewhere between a handpan and a tongue-drum that's somehow metallic, wooden, and glass at the same time.
@@AramaxTheHuman actually I have played on such scale hooked system that is why I am giving this informative insight. Have you played other keys than your laptop's keyboard warrior
@@AramaxTheHuman I am noy saying she does not have skills elsewhere but here everything is hooked to a scale, like a water drum in Lydian. It is kinda addictive actually.
this is one of the many things a lumatone can do, it's also not mass produced so that's why it's so expensive. if you're just gonna come here to say how you wouldn't buy one then don't.
Imagine thinking a musical instrument has to be tied to a particular aesthetic. Bruh, are you a joke? Do you literally not understand what this instrument allows?
Who's doing the camera work, your boyfriend? Tell him camaras aren't musical instruments and no matter how hard you try you'll never be able to play it like one. Cameras are for observing. That's all they're good for. All that floating around ruins the performance. You can't observe something unless you focus your object in the center of the frame. Basic, 101 law of filming
Lovely improv! Thanks for sharing that with us, Amelia!
One thing I love about these videos is that we can not only hear what Amelia, Mike, and Dave are playing, but we can also see their fingerings and technique in general.
Technique I find interesting because Lumatone key geometry does put limits on how thumbs can be used, and to a much lesser degree 5 (pinky) fingers. A few other things about it can affect fingerings too.
Those technique considerations are of interest to me since, although I’ve played a variety of woodwind and stringed instruments seriously over the years, not until I got my Lumatone did keyboards have enough appeal to me to spend time on - and indeed, it’s my main musical interest now!
This is downright BEAUTIFUL. One day I hope to have a lumatone to get lost in sounds like these. This track is seriously so pretty I'm shocked.
Another neat thing about these videos: I’m glad to see that Amelia re-colored her 12-tone-per-octave keyboard layout to (essentially) black and white. I did that on my Lumatone as well.
Obviously, we can’t directly hear each other’s color mappings, but that tells us a bit about how we think of the tunings we use with them.
Beautiful. Only wish I could afford the Lumatone
You don't need a lumatone to play 12 tone
@@108Rudi this is near equal tuning or whatever. Not basic 12 edo.
@@newsavefile no, however there are only 12 notes, so a normal keyboard would suffice as long as it can be tuned, as any midi keyboard can using the right software.
Thank you, Amelia, for this. Of all the videos here, yours has helped convince me to get a Lumatone because for me, every composition project is a stream-of-consciousness event where a seed idea planted by chance grows and sends out tendrils of possibility which eventually lead to theme, form and sonic sensations worth experiencing. Using a Lumatone to accomplish all of these goals looks as natural and as much fun as keyboard playing can be.
This is magical. So beautiful.
A lovely sound. Wonderful!
this feels like im being serenaded by an alien in the K-hole
Look in the mirror. The alien has already arrived
Absolutely gorgeous - thank you for creating this luminous tuning and music!
SOUL CRUSHING BELLS!!!!
Nice one
You look at home with the Lumatone Amelia, a most beautiful way to express your musical flair, Love from Petra Brown ❤❤
In my other comment I mentioned technique ramifications of playing the Lumatone. I think that would make a good topic for a video. The comparative shortness of thumbs is one topic, but also, ramifications of reaching keys mapped to continuous controllers, hand position and posture for effective use of poly-aftertouch, and perhaps even more interesting still, any tricks for how to reach unusual (but interesting!) chord shapes.
I’m working on this video :)
@@stephenweigel, looking forward to it then! Not as “flashy” a topic as a new tuning, say, but very useful!
Every instrument has its limitations. For me the beauty and power of isomorphic layouts such as Lumatone or Linnstrument is the repeatable pattern. So much easier to play and improvise once you're familiar with the shapes for the "important" intervals, and then everything else falls into place around those. I suppose it all really depends on what tuning system you have loaded up!
What a cool instrument!
Lovely!
Yes
This is amazing!
Hearing a Limotone played by someone so lovely is like the dimension we call Heaven Amelia, so melodic. ❤ from Petra Brown
beautiful..amazing music..can imagine Alice Coltrane playing one of these in heaven..
Same here
Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! =)
Beautiful Z as always :) How can I find more info about 12-NEJI ?
Can you elaborate on what 12-NEJI is? I like this sound a lot, but it's hard to find precise information on this specific tuning based solely on "12-NEJI". Thanks!
The Xenharmonic wiki describes it as: "a circulating temperament which approximates an equal tuning dividing a JI equave with a subset of a mode of the harmonic series. It is often informally used for a harmonic series approximation of any non-JI scale, e.g. "neji Lydian"." Beyond this explanation, Amelia is far better suited to dive into its merits and magical ways in which it works. There will be more talk on our channel about this tuning in the coming weeks and months!
It's not a precise description of the tuning on its own, there are a whole bunch of near-equal just intonations. Amelia typically likes to construct them by picking a set of the higher harmonics of one particular note far in the bass (not what you'd usually consider the tonic). Those harmonics are chosen in such a way that they come close to some equal temperament. Effectively you obtain a bunch of ratios of the form n/p for some fixed number p which is usually prime, but doesn't strictly need to be (based on the video description, maybe this is a NEJI over 15?). As a consequence of doing this, you get nicely aligned difference tones that give the tunings a very distinctive flavour depending on what p was chosen.
See her video titled "Theory of Primodality" for more detail on how it works. Maybe we can get her to chime in on what ratios this particular scale is.
@@cgibbard Thank you - I had the same question, and this explains the general idea really well. And yes, it would be cool also to hear the motives behind this particular one.
Judging by the 15/11 in the description of this video (and also the near 12-tone vibe I'm hearing), it's most likely the tuning you can view in the description of this one:
th-cam.com/video/4BBdJly4-OY/w-d-xo.html
The idea of basing a tuning off of a 'family' - let's say /11 - gives more unison in the melodic and harmonic sensations of a tuning (and more rotational freedom). In a way you're emulating the nature of the harmonic series from a different starting point.
Can you make tubular bells
Does your Spiritual Bells instrument beat conventional piano sound Zheana? Petra-B xx
👍i LoVe !
💙⚪❤
Could the ratios for this tuning be provided to us so we may make use of it ourselves?
is this undecimal?
Watch out for tornadoes Hoosiers!
That sample set makes the Lumitone sound like the worst creaky piano sound I've heard. Is it a celesta? Hard to listen to with all that clacking. I know it's not really there, but it makes the sale bad. I am interested in it.
Funny, I love the sample (i think it might be a Dulcitone?) that she's using. Love that percussive attack on those instruments!! Just shows ya everyone likes different things...
@@lumatone, curious indeed! I also rather liked that timbre, personally, but everybody’s tastes are different of course.
For whatever it’s worth, the Lumatone itself is a MIDI controller, meaning that it has no particular sound in itself. It can make any sound you care to connect it to!
Totally a matter of taste. I happen to really like this sample. It makes me think of an instrument somewhere between a handpan and a tongue-drum that's somehow metallic, wooden, and glass at the same time.
I assumed it was going for a gamelan thing
Sort of a melodic percussion orchestral sound?
But a real gamelan might get about 800 times louder I think?
it is so easy to play that you can play on random and achieve the same results
if it’s easy, then give it a try!
@@AramaxTheHuman actually I have played on such scale hooked system that is why I am giving this informative insight. Have you played other keys than your laptop's keyboard warrior
@@liorsilverstein9802 well i'm glad you think it's easy to play :)
@@AramaxTheHuman I am noy saying she does not have skills elsewhere but here everything is hooked to a scale, like a water drum in Lydian. It is kinda addictive actually.
3k for this basic music, no thx
this is one of the many things a lumatone can do, it's also not mass produced so that's why it's so expensive. if you're just gonna come here to say how you wouldn't buy one then don't.
Imagine thinking a musical instrument has to be tied to a particular aesthetic. Bruh, are you a joke? Do you literally not understand what this instrument allows?
3k for the music... huh?? the instrument is 3k, not the music lmfao
Who's doing the camera work, your boyfriend? Tell him camaras aren't musical instruments and no matter how hard you try you'll never be able to play it like one. Cameras are for observing. That's all they're good for. All that floating around ruins the performance. You can't observe something unless you focus your object in the center of the frame. Basic, 101 law of filming