@@Terror1Void Don't ge wrong, I love SUVs. They've got their uses, especially when you live in an place where it floods a lot and you need ground clearance. I see what you mean though. For City folks like me. A minivan is the ultimate people hauler. I like the Sedona too. I always loved the aesthetic of minivans for some reason.
You two are the best ever ! I love to watch all your videos but when Father and Son work together it’s the best. I got to work a few years with my Father back from 1980 till 92 and I have many fond memories. He passed back in 2001 and I know you two will have so many memories and the best part is they are captured on video. Thanks for all your hard work guys you make my day !
I've been surprised to see automakers take so long to (re)introduce AWD to their minivans. I owned a late 1980's Mazda MPV with AWD. It was a magnificent vehicle that arguably saved my and my wife's lives when it slipped off a snow covered isolated logging road in the Washington Cascades into a ditch in the middle of a snowstorm. We were miles and miles from civilization in early spring. Leaving the vehicle on foot was a very risky option. I doubt I could have extracted a two wheel drive vehicle from the ditch where it sat at a 45 degree angle. With some diligence and persistence the Mazda climbed out. When I car saves your life you retain fond memories for a very long time.
Your reviews are always fair and honest. I leased the Pacifica when it first came out. It was the best road trip vehicle. I live in the NE and we average 102" inches of snow a year. My only complaint was even with winter tires it needed AWD. Looks like I can go shopping again. Keep up the great work!
We have an 2006 Chrysler Town and Country that I bought used when the family started to grow. The stow and go seating was such a great idea. It has over 180,000 thousand miles on it. We recently had to replace the transmission only because another car payment was not an option. I hope it will last a few more years until the kids are out of the house or we can afford something else. It is such a great family vehicle!!!
Back in the mid-90s I had a 1993 Dodge Caravan AWD, the short base. With five of us driving from Atlanta to our summer home in Hilton Head Island proving to be, ahem, restrictive, after only three months we switched to the long base one. What a difference. After my wife died in November of '94 I drove the van until I became an empty nester, about five years later. I, then, swapped my Caravan for Jeeps. What a difficult adjustments, in all aspects, this proved to be! It was like moving from a very large single-family house to a very small condo/apartment! Unforgettable! (Just like Nat King Cole sings it!).
You two father and son are so funny and resourceful. Thank you for bringing us so much information about cars and trucks. Please keep it up. Thank you!
You can't really hate on modern minivans. Myself, two adult brothers, and parents drove from NC to Miami for a cruise is a lower spec model and it was great.
I wish they would have shown a shot of what the interior looks like from the rear with all of the seats down. That flat loading floor / cargo bed is what sets it apart from everything else in it's class.
I’ve got a 2012 T&C and if the wife and kids aren’t around, I like to mess with people at stop lights because it is a quicker than you think. Also stow and go all four seats and you can get 4x8 sheets of drywall or plywood
Love to see any company, let alone Chrysler, go above and beyond with the interior quality and awd convenience! Especially love the overall design and the forward thinking features of the interior that you guys showed but would also love to see a review of how the Pacifica drives compared to others in its class. Looking at the specs, something with a hybrid awd drivetrain or more power would be nice with something that costs over 50k Maybe someday they'll make an electric one with even more interior space and power... Overall they gave it some really great bells and whistles tho!
You're kidding right? I have driven so many rental Pacificas and the amount of cheap plastic is staggering. Also the built quality sucks on those. They may look awesome but at the end of the day it's a Chrysler. No thank you, I'd rather get a Sienna that lasts.
@@tossmonkey1 alllll that mandatory safety equipment. That stuff ain't cheap to make. But it's mandatory by your local friendly politician and his buddies. Thanks Gub-ment!
@@johnnymichael1804 Yes the huge list which includes safety belts, a LATCH child safety seat system, electronic stability control, and front airbags. Wow so much Quit your BS
Roman and Tommy, Chrysler/Fiat/Peugeot/Stellantis always offers great 'features' and styling in their products, it is the #QDR that I worry about. This AWD Pacifica will have a heck of a fight with the 35 mpg AWD Sienna.
Not really; the Sienna will have 35 mpg, but it will also be significantly slower especially for a vehicle designed to hold the spouse, kids, and all of your shit. Also, the Pacifica's AWD system will be significantly more capable since it can send 100% of the V6's torque to the rear wheels all the while keeping the stow and go seats. From my mindset, if I can afford a $35,000+ Pacifica then I should easily be able to afford the gas, making the compromises of the Sienna less worth it just to get the Hybrid powertrain. Potential reliability is the only other major advantage I see with the Sienna, but since the Pacifica has been on the market for over 4 years I wouldn't worry about it. If this was a brand new design, then I'd give more credence.
But its been soooo unreliable, thats my concern. I know 2 people in my neighborhood who have had so many issues with this vehicles last generation. Also i see people on the side of the road with th hybrid ones often... Dear american brands, you can't just put great features if it won't do the basic stuff, we will still notice...🤷🏾♀️
The best grand caravan caravan/town & country was the 96-00 all wheel drive premium model. It was actually a reliable family mountain hauler. Hahaha i took so many friends snowboarding in my moms van and it handled the snow like a champ.
20s on a minivan? I have an '04 town and country and that has 16s and they are plenty good. Minivans are great for hauling plywood/drywall/etc. Just take out the middle/back seats and it is a pickup truck with a roof.
I hate the fact that you've got to lose traction in order for the rear wheels to get power... Once you've lost traction you've lost momentum and you're putting yourself in more danger and it's worse on tires. Just give us a button or knob to go from 2wd to 4wd... not this funky automatic stuff, I would much rather know how many wheels I'm powering at any time
My wife and I rented one of these for a roadtrip last year -- not the Pinnacle, obviously, but whatever the high-level trim was. It was a very smooth and comfortable ride. Even with low miles, though, I noticed the right half of the electric 3rd row would fold and unfold itself while the van was parked. Thankfully, it didn't do that on the highway while my kids were sitting back there!
The true selling point of this vehicle is Stow n Go WITH AWD. As a DJ/ family man, I can't tell you how excited I am about this vehicle. Can't wait to pick one up in 4-5 years depreciated to 50% of it's original value
Just a small correction: the stow n go was first available in 2005 model year not in the 2004 model year. I had a 2004 town n country limited and it was not yet available.
I'm not even close to considering buying a minivan, but credit where credit is due, it kind of looks nice for what it is; doesn't look 100% like a minivan but rather like a mix of van and wagon. I think it even looks better than most of the crossovers on the road today... At least this looks honest about its purpose, where most crossovers look "tough" but fail miserably on an inclined, rutted dirt road!
The all wheel drive on our 1995 for Aerostar was awesome. It was a super practical and roomy van, albeit uglier than sin. Seats were a huge pain to remove but when out, the interior space was cavernous. Used it like a pickup truck for years, until I got a real truck.
@@johnmerryman1825 I agree. That might be what they meant in the review, because GM beat Chrysler by almost 10 years offering a power sliding door on the passenger side in 1995 (Oldsmobile Silhouette), then Chrysler somewhat leap-frogged them in '96 with dual (manual) sliding doors on both sides, and again in 2001 with power sliding doors for both sides.
Do they have a turbo for the van? Like the interior but the last new van I bought was 2005 and I doubt I will ever buy a new vehicle again, unless I win the lottery but since I do not buy tickets I think never is a good chance. I was hoping to see how Blaze looked in it but you are out of town it looks.
Here's one reason to have a minivan or have a friend with one, I bought a big TV a few days ago from Best Buy and put it in the back flat and the Best Buy girl came running out and telling me that if I loaded it like that they would void my receipt and warranty so I had to spend like 5 minutes making it work and barely fit in standing up, I came this close to going home to my neighbor and borrowing her Honda Odyssey to go get the TV.
Since I use my minivan as a camper, that panoramic sunroof has me considering no-cut pop-tops. Then again, 5mars converts these to pop-tops in Quebec fairly affordably, complete with stove and kitchen sink.
The limited and pinnacle come w awd standard. So the $55k already includes awd. I agree - the pricing I getting out of control. The new sienna is also $50k+.
That's because people want all the options. It's considered a luxury vehicle, minivan or not, when fully loaded like this sample here. This is true for all vehicles. Pickup trucks can be so luxeriously equipped that they surely won't be used to WORK at a construction sites but more like a commuter vehicle to the construction sites.
America`s contribution to the environment, a V6 300+ bhp family carrier. Nice and very thoughtful. Love the 1996 Lancia glossy fake wood, and all the gloss piano black.
In Europe they actually sale android OS module for old 1st gen 8.4 Uconnect and up, the LR3 and LR4, It's not Android Auto, it's entire os which can download anything from Google Play... It's like 480 bucks and it's self install plugin
I'm pretty sure that the '94 Oldsmobile Silhouette was the first minivan to feature a power sliding door, and it could also be opened via the keyfob (Doug Demuro even reviewed one). I think Chrysler were the first ones with dual sliding doors (at first, a passenger-side only door was the norm).
Every brand has that one bread and butter product that dominates a segment. The Pacifica is that car for Chrysler. If you want a minivan there is nothing that comes close in terms of quality and what you get for your money. Also the ergonomics and user interface are perfect without any confusing gimmicks. I spent almost an hour test driving one. Honestly, if I had the money this would be my daily. In fact, if they let Dodge make an SRT version with slightly better brakes, suspension and front seats; I’d sell a kidney for a sleeper van 😄
Those lumbar pillows are for more than decoration or style. In order to make the Stow & Go seating disappear and sit flush with the floor, they had to remove a lot of the cushion material from the seats themselves, and many people complained that they were far too firm in comparison with those in the front.
I had a 1997 AWD with 537,000 klm. Then i got rear-ended in 2012, by a person texting, it got totaled. Can you do a review with this in the snow & the Toyota AWD
@@rightlanehog3151 My parents bought a 2014 Town & Country for $15k at a used Toyota dealership 3 years ago. It was the limited trim too with no accidents.
@@Aaronaitor Caravans and T&C's have had low resale value for years, although the 2008+ generation has fared better than the egg-shaped '96-'07 generation which you can get virtually for free now. Time will tell with the new Pacifica's, but I think they'll hold their value much better.
@@corionh4775 Probably. Their interiors are not made out of old refrigerator plastic like the Town & Country, but I’ve heard that they are a lot worse reliability-wise.
I’m so glad you correctly said oriented instead of the (inaccurate) orientated as is said by many. Orientation is ok but not orientated - oriented is the correct word. Yay. Go you guys. Tommy’s pants match the seats. Odyssey used to have an AWD and I’m upset they removed it. They also removed the V6 engine 😥
The Sienna is slow and sluggish without the six cylinder, (which is no longer available) and that mushy CVT. It can't get out of it's own way. Chrysler and Honda are smart in sticking with the six bangers and the conventional automatics. If you don't want a hybrid or a plug-in, I don't see why Toyota has to shove that four cylinder down your throat on all of the other trim levels. This is what I really appreciate with Chrysler / Dodge. If you want a Charger, Challenger, Grand Cherokee, Durango, or Ram truck, you can get them all with a wide variety of powertrain options, all the way up to the total insanity of the Hellcat editions and the T-Rex. From milquetoast to madness, it's your choice.
Back in 2004, I tried every way possible not to get a Chrysler minivan when renting a car. Now, I jump at every opportunity that I can get to drive off the rental car lot in a Pacifica as this might just be the best all-around all purpose mover of people and equipment that is available. Sadly, these are not as fuel efficient as you would want in a modern car and most Pacificas that I drive barely break out of the low 20's for highway MPGs.
Really like the Pacifica - especially post-facelift. Been driving Voyager and grand Voyager since '89 and you're right about the long haul qualities and the game-changer that stow-n-go is. However, it can be debated who invented the minivan, since Renault launched the Espace at almost the same time as the Voyager.
I’ve rented two of these one was basic and the other was loaded like the one you’re showing… would totally consider the purchase... but... there’s always a “but” with a Chrysler 🤣
@@jackle1999 Did you actually bother to look up the safety rating, let me answer that for you. Of course you didn't, see if you had then you would have realized it received a 5 star safety rating. Why do you even bother to make comments when you your knowledge is soo antiquated and out of date?
@@paulj9821 I can tell your not a pleasant person, and I do look everything up, maybe also learn how to be a little more on the respectful side then maybe we could have a conversation, have a nice day.
My mother had one of these from this newer generation. She bought it to have room for the grandkids when they were over and it was fully loaded. I believe the van spent more time in the shop than on the road due to electrical issues. It was unreal and eventually traded it in after one year with less than 3k miles.
Guys, thank you for the review. I am interested to know does it have anything like "lane centering" tech? to keep the car centered in the lane rather than ping ponging from the lane keep assist? Thanks.
Hello very important question for me at least you didn't show it but is the second row actually stow and go I know the hybrid isn't but you didn't show it on the gas model. And I think you're the first person on TH-cam who owns the Pinnacle.
I'm in the process of getting a 2018 Pacifica Limited. During the test drive, it road like butter - very comfortable. As for the 2021 - I am not a big fan of the new NOSE / front end. Now it looks like everything else on the road and rather boring. On the flip side, the new TAIL is awesome !
I haven’t even watched this video yet and I see awd minivan and I immediately think about the possibilities of you throw a bit of a lift and some beefy tires on it. Talk about a starter for van life or a family oriented overlander
Was never a big fan of the first FCA mini van...but this one is surprisingly great. This would be a close call between the Sienna. Resale value, reliability and pricing is going to be key.
I was actually leaning towards buying a Toyota Sienna. I test drove the 2021 Sienna and the 2021 Pacifica Hybrid. The Sienna was so under powered. If it was loaded with a family and luggage I think you would have some serious power issues for passing and climbing hills. The rear of the Sienna was so cheap as well. I could actually shake the whole back wall in the Sienna were the cup holder was. You could no remove the 2nd row seats in the Sienna either. Not very useful. This dad ran away from the not so great Sienna. Yes it had some great tech and great MPG, but you got that at a deep cost in power. With that said. I put a down payment for a 2021 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid today. Will pick it up in 2 weeks. Much better quality inside and more horsepower when needed. Not to mention great MPGs and able to use in EV mode.
2020 Just bought the launch edition with awd. with employee pricing and all the discounts at the time it came out $10k less than msrp. I'm not one to buy new but it was a screaming deal especially for all you get for the money. its a lot easier getting the kids in an out of than the LR4.
Yeah Doug Demuro did a review of a 1995 Oldsmobile Silhouette with one and it shocked me, especially since it could be operated by the factory keyfob (and still worked lol), I think that HAD to be the 1st.
@@corionh4775 If you remember those power doors were mitigated disaster. They were almost guaranteed to fail. Then again that is GM for ya. At the time, they called it the cadillac of Minivans as a joke.
@@paulj9821 Well the one in the Oldsmobile Silhouette minivan that Doug Demuro reviewed just this year still worked, and it's 25 years old now. It was a handy and impressive innovation for it's time and was an industry first, so all of the frivolous GM bashing and ranting about the reliability of 25 year old technology that was brand new at the time and that no other automaker had implemented until years later is frankly baseless.
@@corionh4775 No what is baseless is your comment. If you payed attention to when GM introduced the passenger side power door you would have realized that it took years for that system to actually catch on. The reason being is because they were very unreliable and expensive. That is why it failed for GM. Introducing a motorized sliding door is hardly a difficult task, making one useable in a reliable manner is, which GM horribly failed at which ment most customers never bothered to option it. Hence why GM abandoned it and copied Chrysler's assisted power door(a motor that unlatches the slide door pushing it slightly open) Oh big deal Doug demuro had a 25 year old model that someone had in working order which means it was either repaired or never really used. Talk about cherry picking to try to prove a useless point. Oh and let's address another point of yours. "that no other automaker had implemented until years later" If it's not evident by now, you clearly have no understanding or knowledge of what was going on during the 90's Minivan craze. In 1996 The dual-sliding-door Chrysler Minivan was hailed as the greatest automotive innovation in decades. In fact 2 years after all the new Chrysler's came with them, every Minivan manufacturer/competitor had a copy of the same thing. That right there tells you how much of a big innovative deal that was at the time. If the fully powered sliding door was such a great innovation, then why was there not one competitor that attempted to copy it? The answer was already explained to you. It wasn't until 2001 that the first "power dual sliding doors", was introduced by Chrysler allowing for minivan-first manual override, powered by an industry-first inside-the-door motor which set the industry standard that all other competitors copied. They achieved this with their parent company Daimler Mercedes. figures
Hey TFL, what do you think long term reliability will be on these? Especially the hybrid model? Just curious why no discussion on that - as it's a huge factor in the buying decision... ?
@@paulj9821 It kinda begs the question. Why doesn't FCA use the ZF 8 speed auto that is used in their other products like the Dodge Charger and Challenger as well as the RAM 1500? I feel like if something shows great success they should continue to use it. I feel like it may depend on the vehicle type but I suppose FCA has their reasons.
@@ZapFlashD Because they spent 980 Million Dollars building the ZF-9 manufacturing facility in Indiana USA. Got to put it to use. I personally refuse to buy any vehicle with a ZF-9 not because they aren't reliable but I don't like the downshift from 6-5th gear which is a dog gear clutch.
Not gonna lie, the dad in me drools over modern minivans.
Me too. I'm getting a 2021 Sedona this weekend, and can't wait to have all the utility. Only a fool gets an SUV to haul people.
@@Terror1Void I love trucks and SUVs but I have to admit, I know what you mean.
Me too and my kids are teenagers. They really dont want to be around me...I want one of these. Maybe not a Chrysler product, but you know what I mean.
@@flipper7687 the Chrysler is the best one.
@@Terror1Void Don't ge wrong, I love SUVs. They've got their uses, especially when you live in an place where it floods a lot and you need ground clearance.
I see what you mean though. For City folks like me. A minivan is the ultimate people hauler. I like the Sedona too. I always loved the aesthetic of minivans for some reason.
"... This is the pinnacle model and pinnacle is the pinnacle of the pacific lineup..."
....until the Pinnacle Platinum, or the Pinnacle XSE, or the Pinnacle King Tut versions come out next year.
Not my finest work -Tommy
Lol tommys great
You two are the best ever ! I love to watch all your videos but when Father and Son work together it’s the best. I got to work a few years with my Father back from 1980 till 92 and I have many fond memories. He passed back in 2001 and I know you two will have so many memories and the best part is they are captured on video. Thanks for all your hard work guys you make my day !
Still the best in design for minivans.....
As far as ugly minivans go🤣🤣
I disagree. Look up 2021 Kia Sedona
😂 jokes. #Honda
Sorry, but the Sienna takes the cake.
@@Chiderah100 Yeah but that design for the Sedona isn't in the US market, the one that is doesn't look good
Still waiting for the Pacifica Hellcat
The pacifier lol
Me too
I cane here for this comment
It’s coming, I have no doubt.
I would be in for that.
I've been surprised to see automakers take so long to (re)introduce AWD to their minivans. I owned a late 1980's Mazda MPV with AWD. It was a magnificent vehicle that arguably saved my and my wife's lives when it slipped off a snow covered isolated logging road in the Washington Cascades into a ditch in the middle of a snowstorm. We were miles and miles from civilization in early spring. Leaving the vehicle on foot was a very risky option. I doubt I could have extracted a two wheel drive vehicle from the ditch where it sat at a 45 degree angle. With some diligence and persistence the Mazda climbed out. When I car saves your life you retain fond memories for a very long time.
Proud to work in the plant that makes these! Thanks for the good reviews!
Tommy: Way back in 2004. Me: 2004 was yesterday😳
Lol, I feel you brother.
I sold caravans in 1983-1986.
Way back?! 🤣🤣🤣
Your reviews are always fair and honest. I leased the Pacifica when it first came out. It was the best road trip vehicle. I live in the NE and we average 102" inches of snow a year. My only complaint was even with winter tires it needed AWD. Looks like I can go shopping again. Keep up the great work!
We have an 2006 Chrysler Town and Country that I bought used when the family started to grow. The stow and go seating was such a great idea. It has over 180,000 thousand miles on it. We recently had to replace the transmission only because another car payment was not an option. I hope it will last a few more years until the kids are out of the house or we can afford something else. It is such a great family vehicle!!!
Back in the mid-90s I had a 1993 Dodge Caravan AWD, the short base. With five of us driving from Atlanta to our summer home in Hilton Head Island proving to be, ahem, restrictive, after only three months we switched to the long base one. What a difference. After my wife died in November of '94 I drove the van until I became an empty nester, about five years later. I, then, swapped my Caravan for Jeeps. What a difficult adjustments, in all aspects, this proved to be!
It was like moving from a very large single-family house to a very small condo/apartment! Unforgettable! (Just like Nat King Cole sings it!).
The best minivan in the market .I love the new Chrysler Pacifica !!! 😗😍
😂😂😂😂
Yes I love the new van, but I'd much rather the old model name badge. Town & Country was a much better name plate in my opinion!
Maybe I'm just getting old, but that van looks pretty good.
So sad that the whole of Chrysler's lineup has been reduced to this and the 300...
And the 300 has been pretty much left abandoned :(
I'm not sure why the Chrysler brand even exists, just call it a Dodge.
Blame someone
@Organic King Fiat saved the company from death.
@@godlyweirdo Fiat was/is life support and nothing more.
This is so adorable that it's a Dad and Son combo.
You two father and son are so funny and resourceful. Thank you for bringing us so much information about cars and trucks. Please keep it up. Thank you!
Just bought the 2020 Pacifica AWD last week, we just got a snow storm overnight, time to try out the AWD!!!!!
Same
How did it go
@@floof4444 it worked perfectly I put it a hill climb on TH-cam, called testing the awd system on 2020 Chrysler Pacifica awd launch edition.
@@jamespenner1412 I'll check it out. Might recommend to my aunt
@@floof4444 it's not a great video, but you get to see the system spinning all 4 wheels at least
You can't really hate on modern minivans. Myself, two adult brothers, and parents drove from NC to Miami for a cruise is a lower spec model and it was great.
I sold dodge mini vans back when they came out. Bought for myself in 1985 and kept it for 20 years, loved it.
I wish they would have shown a shot of what the interior looks like from the rear with all of the seats down. That flat loading floor / cargo bed is what sets it apart from everything else in it's class.
I’ve got a 2012 T&C and if the wife and kids aren’t around, I like to mess with people at stop lights because it is a quicker than you think.
Also stow and go all four seats and you can get 4x8 sheets of drywall or plywood
Very nice styling, interior and exterior (for a minivan).
Love to see any company, let alone Chrysler, go above and beyond with the interior quality and awd convenience! Especially love the overall design and the forward thinking features of the interior that you guys showed but would also love to see a review of how the Pacifica drives compared to others in its class. Looking at the specs, something with a hybrid awd drivetrain or more power would be nice with something that costs over 50k Maybe someday they'll make an electric one with even more interior space and power... Overall they gave it some really great bells and whistles tho!
I think Chrysler has proven, especially in the high end Rams, that they can do a true luxury interiors.
That leather looks cheap and still lots of hard plastic.
You're kidding right? I have driven so many rental Pacificas and the amount of cheap plastic is staggering. Also the built quality sucks on those. They may look awesome but at the end of the day it's a Chrysler. No thank you, I'd rather get a Sienna that lasts.
Looks like a Maserati inside lol I mean FCA does make them 😹😹
this was a great fun father and son review of a family vehicle. thanks for the fun! and great review
You guys looked like two kids making a blanket fort and it was great 😂
I live 5 mins away and I’m over there 3+ times a week on the mountain bike. Hate that I missed you, but keep up the good work! Great review!
WE WANT THESE IN ITALY !!!
New car prices are insane.... I will never buy new again
Agree with you, they have gone to a level that just doesn't make sense anymore
@@tossmonkey1 alllll that mandatory safety equipment. That stuff ain't cheap to make.
But it's mandatory by your local friendly politician and his buddies.
Thanks Gub-ment!
@@johnnymichael1804 Yes the huge list which includes safety belts, a LATCH child safety seat system, electronic stability control, and front airbags. Wow so much Quit your BS
@1% Evan Ł Oh, don’t kid yourself
Love how automakers are giving awd for everything now. Would have been nice like 10 years ago when we actually used to get snow
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You've been listening to the mainstream media climate hysteria instead of going outside.
Two things I’ll never do: 1. Buy a minivan. B. Pay $55k for a Chrysler product.
Fiat* hahahahaha
@@Lq32332 bisimoto has a 1000 hp Honda Odyssey. 6 speed stick.
Roman and Tommy, Chrysler/Fiat/Peugeot/Stellantis always offers great 'features' and styling in their products, it is the #QDR that I worry about. This AWD Pacifica will have a heck of a fight with the 35 mpg AWD Sienna.
Not really; the Sienna will have 35 mpg, but it will also be significantly slower especially for a vehicle designed to hold the spouse, kids, and all of your shit. Also, the Pacifica's AWD system will be significantly more capable since it can send 100% of the V6's torque to the rear wheels all the while keeping the stow and go seats. From my mindset, if I can afford a $35,000+ Pacifica then I should easily be able to afford the gas, making the compromises of the Sienna less worth it just to get the Hybrid powertrain. Potential reliability is the only other major advantage I see with the Sienna, but since the Pacifica has been on the market for over 4 years I wouldn't worry about it. If this was a brand new design, then I'd give more credence.
@@panzer_TZ Time will tell.
But its been soooo unreliable, thats my concern. I know 2 people in my neighborhood who have had so many issues with this vehicles last generation. Also i see people on the side of the road with th hybrid ones often...
Dear american brands, you can't just put great features if it won't do the basic stuff, we will still notice...🤷🏾♀️
@@LafemmebearMusic Chrysler Pacifica currently has the lowest possible reliability rating according to Consumer Reports. So yeah,no thanks.
No plug. No sale.
The best grand caravan caravan/town & country was the 96-00 all wheel drive premium model. It was actually a reliable family mountain hauler. Hahaha i took so many friends snowboarding in my moms van and it handled the snow like a champ.
20s on a minivan? I have an '04 town and country and that has 16s and they are plenty good. Minivans are great for hauling plywood/drywall/etc. Just take out the middle/back seats and it is a pickup truck with a roof.
I hate the fact that you've got to lose traction in order for the rear wheels to get power...
Once you've lost traction you've lost momentum and you're putting yourself in more danger and it's worse on tires.
Just give us a button or knob to go from 2wd to 4wd... not this funky automatic stuff, I would much rather know how many wheels I'm powering at any time
Hopefully there is a button that turns on/off 4x4. But yeah i don't necessarily want a program to decide what's best for me.
Gotta flip on the wipers when things look sketchy I guess. 😂
My wife and I rented one of these for a roadtrip last year -- not the Pinnacle, obviously, but whatever the high-level trim was. It was a very smooth and comfortable ride. Even with low miles, though, I noticed the right half of the electric 3rd row would fold and unfold itself while the van was parked. Thankfully, it didn't do that on the highway while my kids were sitting back there!
It’s a Chrysler! If that seats the only issue consider yourself lucky
That’s a handsome looking vehicle. Can’t believe I just said that about a minivan.
The true selling point of this vehicle is Stow n Go WITH AWD. As a DJ/ family man, I can't tell you how excited I am about this vehicle. Can't wait to pick one up in 4-5 years depreciated to 50% of it's original value
Just a small correction: the stow n go was first available in 2005 model year not in the 2004 model year. I had a 2004 town n country limited and it was not yet available.
I'm not even close to considering buying a minivan, but credit where credit is due, it kind of looks nice for what it is; doesn't look 100% like a minivan but rather like a mix of van and wagon. I think it even looks better than most of the crossovers on the road today... At least this looks honest about its purpose, where most crossovers look "tough" but fail miserably on an inclined, rutted dirt road!
Its about time they get AWD back. I had a 91 Plymouth Voyager AWD I bought when my wife and I had twins. It was a great vehicle for winter driving.
The Pacifica is the best Minivan in the market !
You guys are right, the AWD should have been hybrid.
Not when we talk about reliability oh and all that cheap plastic it got yeah no.
@@christiantamme8514 Not sure what you are talking about, it is the most luxurious minivan on the market
The refreshed is supposed to be quieter w acoustic windows and better door seals. Could you let us know how it compares? Thanks.
Yes, it is more of a hushed interior.
I read this in Andres voice. I have no idea why 😂
My Favorite Van ever.
Such gorgeous minivans. Might visit a dealership this week
The all wheel drive on our 1995 for Aerostar was awesome. It was a super practical and roomy van, albeit uglier than sin. Seats were a huge pain to remove but when out, the interior space was cavernous. Used it like a pickup truck for years, until I got a real truck.
Wasn’t the gm Dustbuster van the first with power sliding doors? Oldsmobile if I remember correctly???
I think GM did it first on the passenger side but Chrysler was first with power sliding doors on both sides of the van.
@@johnmerryman1825 I agree. That might be what they meant in the review, because GM beat Chrysler by almost 10 years offering a power sliding door on the passenger side in 1995 (Oldsmobile Silhouette), then Chrysler somewhat leap-frogged them in '96 with dual (manual) sliding doors on both sides, and again in 2001 with power sliding doors for both sides.
Do they have a turbo for the van? Like the interior but the last new van I bought was 2005 and I doubt I will ever buy a new vehicle again, unless I win the lottery but since I do not buy tickets I think never is a good chance. I was hoping to see how Blaze looked in it but you are out of town it looks.
On.this van where is the gas tank located at?😊😊
Here's one reason to have a minivan or have a friend with one, I bought a big TV a few days ago from Best Buy and put it in the back flat and the Best Buy girl came running out and telling me that if I loaded it like that they would void my receipt and warranty so I had to spend like 5 minutes making it work and barely fit in standing up, I came this close to going home to my neighbor and borrowing her Honda Odyssey to go get the TV.
Since I use my minivan as a camper, that panoramic sunroof has me considering no-cut pop-tops. Then again, 5mars converts these to pop-tops in Quebec fairly affordably, complete with stove and kitchen sink.
FCA is going wild with their prices!! $60k for a minivan?!?
Negotiate. That’s why they price them that way. The Sienna you’re lucky to get 1k off
I would wait for slightly used should be a nice 50-60% off
The limited and pinnacle come w awd standard. So the $55k already includes awd. I agree - the pricing I getting out of control. The new sienna is also $50k+.
That's because people want all the options. It's considered a luxury vehicle, minivan or not, when fully loaded like this sample here. This is true for all vehicles. Pickup trucks can be so luxeriously equipped that they surely won't be used to WORK at a construction sites but more like a commuter vehicle to the construction sites.
It's 60k for a luxury vehicle. If you want an FCA cheapo minivan they start at 27k...
Amazing vehicle, been driving a Pacifica for years now.
So does it have lane keep or lane centering. Thanks.
America`s contribution to the environment, a V6 300+ bhp family carrier. Nice and very thoughtful. Love the 1996 Lancia glossy fake wood, and all the gloss piano black.
I’m no FCA fan but this Pacifica is gorgeous in and out.
That's some clever thought process, the AWD/ wiper correlation. Hadn't made that connection before, but it's pretty obvious if you think about it.
Hopefully not when you're just using the wiper washers too though lol, wonder if Chrysler thought of that.
STOW N Go is only the Middle seast NOT the rear seats thats why ALL minivans have them so I guess Toyota Honda have Stow N Go as well
Damn! That's a beautiful vehicle. For that kind of luxury, it's worth the price.
The first minivan with a power sliding door I believe was the Oldsmobile silhouette. The Oldsmobile Dustbuster van with the plastic body.
No true. The Oldsmobile was the first with a remote fob sliding door.
In Europe they actually sale android OS module for old 1st gen 8.4 Uconnect and up, the LR3 and LR4, It's not Android Auto, it's entire os which can download anything from Google Play... It's like 480 bucks and it's self install plugin
I'm pretty sure that the '94 Oldsmobile Silhouette was the first minivan to feature a power sliding door, and it could also be opened via the keyfob (Doug Demuro even reviewed one). I think Chrysler were the first ones with dual sliding doors (at first, a passenger-side only door was the norm).
Does it tow? I think an ike guantlet with minivans would be awesome.
They just dont sell American cars in the UK bar jeep, its rare to see anything else and I dont know why looking at this, its a lovely vehicle.
Chris Rivers very simple! Narrow streets and high taxes (especially based on engine displacement; and, in the last few years, emissions!).
Every brand has that one bread and butter product that dominates a segment. The Pacifica is that car for Chrysler. If you want a minivan there is nothing that comes close in terms of quality and what you get for your money. Also the ergonomics and user interface are perfect without any confusing gimmicks. I spent almost an hour test driving one. Honestly, if I had the money this would be my daily. In fact, if they let Dodge make an SRT version with slightly better brakes, suspension and front seats; I’d sell a kidney for a sleeper van 😄
Those lumbar pillows are for more than decoration or style. In order to make the Stow & Go seating disappear and sit flush with the floor, they had to remove a lot of the cushion material from the seats themselves, and many people complained that they were far too firm in comparison with those in the front.
I've read that the PHEV gets nicer second row seats to make up for the lack of stow and go.
Please can you do comparison between pacifica 2007 and other cars
The front actually looks a lot like the '99 Voyager my parents had when I was growing up. Must be the narrower headlight design.
My thoughts exactly, although I think the nose looks closer in similarity to the 2001-2007 Chrysler Town and Country model!
I had a 1997 AWD with 537,000 klm. Then i got rear-ended in 2012, by a person texting, it got totaled. Can you do a review with this in the snow & the Toyota AWD
when do you take it off road?
I think it's been a while since TFL has been in a Pacifica, my 2017(purchase 2016) has the vacuum, power reclining back seats, panoramic sunroof.
I love rotary shifters I go to turn the volume up and change gears by accident !
I’m looking forward to seeing these at used Toyota dealerships for $15k in 3 years.
I don't think so
I don't think Toyota dealership like to keep any FCA ___ on their lots.
@@rightlanehog3151 My parents bought a 2014 Town & Country for $15k at a used Toyota dealership 3 years ago. It was the limited trim too with no accidents.
@@Aaronaitor Caravans and T&C's have had low resale value for years, although the 2008+ generation has fared better than the egg-shaped '96-'07 generation which you can get virtually for free now. Time will tell with the new Pacifica's, but I think they'll hold their value much better.
@@corionh4775 Probably. Their interiors are not made out of old refrigerator plastic like the Town & Country, but I’ve heard that they are a lot worse reliability-wise.
I’m so glad you correctly said oriented instead of the (inaccurate) orientated as is said by many. Orientation is ok but not orientated - oriented is the correct word. Yay. Go you guys.
Tommy’s pants match the seats. Odyssey used to have an AWD and I’m upset they removed it. They also removed the V6 engine 😥
On the Stow and go seat, are there sensors that will prevent it from folding when someone is trapped in the seats?
Yes. Like the sliding doors, once it detects an obstruction, it'll stop.
The Sienna is slow and sluggish without the six cylinder, (which is no longer available) and that mushy CVT. It can't get out of it's own way. Chrysler and Honda are smart in sticking with the six bangers and the conventional automatics. If you don't want a hybrid or a plug-in, I don't see why Toyota has to shove that four cylinder down your throat on all of the other trim levels. This is what I really appreciate with Chrysler / Dodge. If you want a Charger, Challenger, Grand Cherokee, Durango, or Ram truck, you can get them all with a wide variety of powertrain options, all the way up to the total insanity of the Hellcat editions and the T-Rex. From milquetoast to madness, it's your choice.
Back in 2004, I tried every way possible not to get a Chrysler minivan when renting a car. Now, I jump at every opportunity that I can get to drive off the rental car lot in a Pacifica as this might just be the best all-around all purpose mover of people and equipment that is available. Sadly, these are not as fuel efficient as you would want in a modern car and most Pacificas that I drive barely break out of the low 20's for highway MPGs.
Really like the Pacifica - especially post-facelift. Been driving Voyager and grand Voyager since '89 and you're right about the long haul qualities and the game-changer that stow-n-go is. However, it can be debated who invented the minivan, since Renault launched the Espace at almost the same time as the Voyager.
does the third row sunroof open, or is it a fixed glass thing?
I’ve rented two of these one was basic and the other was loaded like the one you’re showing… would totally consider the purchase... but... there’s always a “but” with a Chrysler 🤣
True. I'm waiting to see the reliability of this vehicle b4 I purchase one for my wife.
i personally would never buy one for Chrysler safety and reliability rating are not so hot
@@jackle1999 Did you actually bother to look up the safety rating, let me answer that for you. Of course you didn't, see if you had then you would have realized it received a 5 star safety rating. Why do you even bother to make comments when you your knowledge is soo antiquated and out of date?
@@paulj9821 I can tell your not a pleasant person, and I do look everything up, maybe also learn how to be a little more on the respectful side then maybe we could have a conversation, have a nice day.
1994 Oldsmobile Siluwet back side opened up with the key fob.
My mother had one of these from this newer generation. She bought it to have room for the grandkids when they were over and it was fully loaded. I believe the van spent more time in the shop than on the road due to electrical issues. It was unreal and eventually traded it in after one year with less than 3k miles.
The front reminds me of the 1996 model year Chrysler town & country but beefed up/ modern.
The rear looks like 2001 Odyssey or Sienna from 1991
Guys, thank you for the review. I am interested to know does it have anything like "lane centering" tech? to keep the car centered in the lane rather than ping ponging from the lane keep assist? Thanks.
so could you feel the awd kick on with the wipers on
Those automated stowing seats are so slooowww! Much easier quicker with the manual stow seats.
Consumers want motorized seats. This is the same with Lexus and even Merc, the automated folding is slow.
Hello very important question for me at least you didn't show it but is the second row actually stow and go I know the hybrid isn't but you didn't show it on the gas model. And I think you're the first person on TH-cam who owns the Pinnacle.
I'm in the process of getting a 2018 Pacifica Limited. During the test drive, it road like butter - very comfortable. As for the 2021 - I am not a big fan of the new NOSE / front end. Now it looks like everything else on the road and rather boring. On the flip side, the new TAIL is awesome !
I haven’t even watched this video yet and I see awd minivan and I immediately think about the possibilities of you throw a bit of a lift and some beefy tires on it. Talk about a starter for van life or a family oriented overlander
i would take a sienna instad for long term ownership but the Pacifica isn't bad for a couple years
Was never a big fan of the first FCA mini van...but this one is surprisingly great. This would be a close call between the Sienna. Resale value, reliability and pricing is going to be key.
Huh this is the first FCA minivan, Prior to that they were Daimler Mercedes Minivans.
Thanks guys, please could you tell us how it drives and handles
I was actually leaning towards buying a Toyota Sienna. I test drove the 2021 Sienna and the 2021 Pacifica Hybrid. The Sienna was so under powered. If it was loaded with a family and luggage I think you would have some serious power issues for passing and climbing hills. The rear of the Sienna was so cheap as well. I could actually shake the whole back wall in the Sienna were the cup holder was. You could no remove the 2nd row seats in the Sienna either. Not very useful. This dad ran away from the not so great Sienna. Yes it had some great tech and great MPG, but you got that at a deep cost in power. With that said. I put a down payment for a 2021 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid today. Will pick it up in 2 weeks. Much better quality inside and more horsepower when needed. Not to mention great MPGs and able to use in EV mode.
2020 Just bought the launch edition with awd. with employee pricing and all the discounts at the time it came out $10k less than msrp. I'm not one to buy new but it was a screaming deal especially for all you get for the money. its a lot easier getting the kids in an out of than the LR4.
I think the Oldsmobile silhouette was the first with a power door
Yeah Doug Demuro did a review of a 1995 Oldsmobile Silhouette with one and it shocked me, especially since it could be operated by the factory keyfob (and still worked lol), I think that HAD to be the 1st.
@@corionh4775 If you remember those power doors were mitigated disaster. They were almost guaranteed to fail. Then again that is GM for ya. At the time, they called it the cadillac of Minivans as a joke.
@@paulj9821 Well the one in the Oldsmobile Silhouette minivan that Doug Demuro reviewed just this year still worked, and it's 25 years old now. It was a handy and impressive innovation for it's time and was an industry first, so all of the frivolous GM bashing and ranting about the reliability of 25 year old technology that was brand new at the time and that no other automaker had implemented until years later is frankly baseless.
@@corionh4775 No what is baseless is your comment. If you payed attention to when GM introduced the passenger side power door you would have realized that it took years for that system to actually catch on. The reason being is because they were very unreliable and expensive. That is why it failed for GM. Introducing a motorized sliding door is hardly a difficult task, making one useable in a reliable manner is, which GM horribly failed at which ment most customers never bothered to option it. Hence why GM abandoned it and copied Chrysler's assisted power door(a motor that unlatches the slide door pushing it slightly open)
Oh big deal Doug demuro had a 25 year old model that someone had in working order which means it was either repaired or never really used. Talk about cherry picking to try to prove a useless point. Oh and let's address another point of yours. "that no other automaker had implemented until years later"
If it's not evident by now, you clearly have no understanding or knowledge of what was going on during the 90's Minivan craze.
In 1996 The dual-sliding-door Chrysler Minivan was hailed as the greatest automotive innovation in decades. In fact 2 years after all the new Chrysler's came with them, every Minivan manufacturer/competitor had a copy of the same thing. That right there tells you how much of a big innovative deal that was at the time. If the fully powered sliding door was such a great innovation, then why was there not one competitor that attempted to copy it? The answer was already explained to you.
It wasn't until 2001 that the first "power dual sliding doors", was introduced by Chrysler allowing for minivan-first manual override, powered by an industry-first inside-the-door motor which set the industry standard that all other competitors copied. They achieved this with their parent company Daimler Mercedes.
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@@paulj9821 I barely read any of that novel you typed. You are a troll, plain and simple. Go whine and complain about nonsense elsewhere. Goodbye.
When will do a Video Comparison between the 3 Van's? Pacifica, Sienna, and Odyssey?
Hey TFL, what do you think long term reliability will be on these? Especially the hybrid model? Just curious why no discussion on that - as it's a huge factor in the buying decision... ?
Probably not too good since it uses the 9 speed automatic. At least I think it does.
@@ZapFlashD It does use the ZF-9, you know the same transmission that Honda uses in many of their vehicles, even Acura.
@@paulj9821 It kinda begs the question. Why doesn't FCA use the ZF 8 speed auto that is used in their other products like the Dodge Charger and Challenger as well as the RAM 1500? I feel like if something shows great success they should continue to use it. I feel like it may depend on the vehicle type but I suppose FCA has their reasons.
@@ZapFlashD Because they spent 980 Million Dollars building the ZF-9 manufacturing facility in Indiana USA. Got to put it to use. I personally refuse to buy any vehicle with a ZF-9 not because they aren't reliable but I don't like the downshift from 6-5th gear which is a dog gear clutch.
Shouldn’t every car be hybrid in 2022? What’s the hold up?
The only minivan that's actually badass.