I agree I used all the premium characters and recently have just started using basic and I don’t even notice a difference, maybe slightly but the basic is 100x better than msfs atc. So now unless I’m doing career mode, or flying vatsim I always have beyond atc on
@@TheGarlicMan well tbh with you BeyondATC is what gave me the confidence to try Vatsim, I was able to practice speaking for myself. And from my experience if youre honest you are new the ATC are mostly patient.
@@legendkiller456 No cons that are deal breakers as most bugs are quashed pretty quickly and there's regular updates & improvements. I don't know everyones financial situation but it's worth every penny. Couple it with FSLTL models (you will lose some FPS depending on your rig) and it's just a fantastic experience. Also, no need to use the "premium" atc voices they offer, the basic package is absolutely fine.
@@nomadman_84 Why does it have larger fps hit on injected traffic over fsltl? I'm little bit worried about this. I had to tweak ai traffic a lot with fsltl to have stable performance even in heavy AI traffic areas.
@@Izmael1310 It's just that they are rendered into the sim and need more memory/juice for it to do so. But maybe I didn't explain it well, I do not lose more using BATC than I did using purely the injector from fsltl, it's almost identical and in some cases better and easier to tweak via batc, as they only grab the models used by fsltl but have their own injection running. As for a comparison of sims, I lose a little less fps in 24 than I did in 20 but I appreciate that means nothing as everyone seems to have differing experience re-performance in '24. It's way better for me than 2020, which I was surprised about (i5-11600k, 32gb ram, rtx 3070).
@@nomadman_84 Ok. Thats is the way it should be. Asobo promised with new sim new approach to modern multiple core cpus - multithreading works much better and thus we can have better results = fps with the same HW. I'm still with MSFS2020 and thinking about going for BATC. I'm just little bit worried with the AI traffic, because I truly love the FSLTL. It is very accurate from the injection viewpoint only default ATC butchers it big time. For example I see an aircraft on FR24 and really the aircraft is moving for take off in real life or its on approach, BUT if the aircraft holds too long in game, msfs traffic engine removes it. The same applies on the landing aircraft - if go around is performed msfs engine removes this aircraft and this aircraft is usually injected within few minutes back and tries it again. I saw this happen 3 times with the same aircraft. Once it was third time successful landing the second time it was not successful and after 3rd removal the injector spawned this aircraft at the gate - basically like it already landed and arrived at tge gate. Which I dont mind. I think it is nice touch, but this is not the fsltl issue but msfs traffic ai engine issue. I'm telling myself well if the batc ai traffic wont work for me at least I will have better ATC and I can still inject traffic with fsltl, but still I'm cautious about all of this.
6:35 unfortunately I was in a nose to nose situation at Atlanta Hartsfield when ground told me to pushback and face north there was a plane facing me and ATC just told us both to hold and we were stuck. Has only happened once so its whatever no big deal. Beyond ATC is still amazing and a must have for immersion
I installed the FSLTL, just the base model pack of airplanes (big download) and I ran it with BATC and it shows the aircraft, and BATC injects them in to the sim. They work fine. Also, I wanted to pushback off the gat but the ATC from BATC told me to hold there was another plane pushing back first beside me. It's really a great program!
It’s an amazing product. Been using it with traffic on experimental for a while and it just gets better and better! Kind to frame rates too. I’m only using it in 2020 for now cos I’m only ever doing VFR in 2024 for now.
I bought while on MSFS 2020. I love that it recognizes which MSFS version you are using and works perfect on both 2020 and 2024. Best money I have spent.
BeyondATC is a real gamechanger for me, both the ATC and the traffic injection. When a Vatsim flight is largely unicom, i use BeyondATC. Good to hear that it already works in 2024. I'll wait for a few more months to dive into MSFS2024 though.
First flight with traffic was absolutely flawless. And extremely fun. One of the best software i bought for FS so far, even with some little recognition issue due to me not being english native speaker.
Traffic injections working great thus far, had to turn the enroute density down a bit as I couldn't get a word in edgeways. My two wishes for BATC are quality of life things, have 'always on top' set on by default/remember my preference and add the app to the sim toolbar, so no more Alt Tabbing.
Batc has a vr addon I'm not sure if it works with 2024 yet but I think that's what you're looking for it should make the program accessible from the tool bar in the sim
@@alon4634please provide source for download! I bought BATC upon release, but yet to use it while I await a toolbar addon or something. This will help me to finally use it in VR.
FSLTL (with AIG as fallback) working great here in 2024. I just added the necessary community folders as symbolic links into the 2024 community folder. :) As a consequence BATC also working fine.
I installed BATC. It then asked me to install FSLTL, which I did. But I'm getting a mix of default and real liveries, often two aircraft at one gate, and weird things like gliders at the gates of Berlin Airport! Did you change any settings in fs24 to avoid this?
I bought the supporter version of BATC simply because of this excellent injector, using the FSLTL models. But what's better than any other injector is, as you point out, all the radio chatter, plus the highly accurate airline injection points etc. Heck I might even start to play with the ATC aspect (it's just too much hassle most of the time).
Been trying this out at various European airports in 2020 yesterday and today (I haven't done a full flight yet). It's not perfect, bugs exist, but this is still revolutionary. I think this is equally as game changing as MSFS2024 will be to the airliner simulation experience. Perhaps even more so.
@Lonsome1223 not sure I understand the question. I'm still on 2020 because I'm waiting for 2024 to stabilise and for more add-ons to move over before I jump to 2024.
Like many got so hooked that I bought the supporters version as well and am over the moon that it works with FS2024. We've learnt to address and cope with the occasional BATC crashes and know when a plane is 'stuck' on the tarmac and when it's 'really' waiting. I have been very impressed with the support you get and the feedback on discord. You can tell it's written by a team and not by an individual.Hearing all those different languages - the fast French, the articulate German, the patient Italian etc when at EGLL makes you feel completely immersed in the action.
Great work. Been working well for me on the Exp. for ages, and in 2024. Until Say Intentions (a far superior overall pacakage) nail the traffic, BATC is still a great tool for me.
Thanks for this review. BeyondATC is an excellent product. I've been using it with FS2020 for a while now. I have noticed (and this is a very minor complaint) that the AI aircraft do not connect to airport jetways. But as far as directing traffic and immersion, this is by far the best option for traffic simulation in MSFS
We totally agree - this is due to MS/Asobo not giving us access to the jetways via an API. The second they give us an endpoint to call jetways via an API we will add in this feature because we want it just as much as you! :)
Beyond ATC has being great for me. It's giving me the practice to get the correct terminology in different stages of the flight ready for "maybe" a leap towards vatsim. Love the traffice injection too, as said you don't come nose to nose with another aircraft. I don't understand tho how a third party can out do the main developer (microsoft/asobo) when it comes to developing things like this. Surely it would be slightly embarrasing for them. The whole idea of being a developer is you want to be the best of the best. Airbus Vs Boeing for example. Thankfully we have a dedicated team like beyond atc that produce a great product!
I'm currently loving flying GA in FS2024, mainly in Career Mode, but will definitely be investing in BATC when I inevitably move back to flying the excellent Fenix Airbus A3** series aircraft. I fly in VR, so will almost certainly need to tweak my settings to retain a reasonable frame rate, with the more demanding aircraft and more live traffic. :)
I have the FSLTL base models in my Community folder for FS2024 and FSLTL set as #1 on my model matching priority, but when I launch BATC, I still see the generic aircraft and very few real world liveries. Is that because BATC is still looking for the base models in my 2020 Community folder?
simmers have too many "dealbreakers" these days. lame excuses to not use a product simmers like this are simply never happy and seem to want a product with features and expectations no product will EVER be able to meet
@@pieterduplessis6906 i have no issue in 2020, I can fly over an airport and see planes spawn in as close as 500m and disappear just as fast as i fly past in 2024. I have a 9800x3d, max specs, everything set to max. I have been flying sims since microprose f19 stealth fighter so am quite able to compromise with single figure frame rate. But why should I use this product over another one that works perfectly well and does not have an immersion breaking streaming system like this. I have game pass so it is a case of using one over the other.
@redsaints the static aircraft pop in at airports is the most annoying thing to me about msfs 2024. Tried all sorts of settings but still the same issue, must be related to the streaming of assets.
Hi Gavin. If like me some weeks ago I shrunk the FSLTL folder from 42gb to 15gb(4k-1k). This does not work in 2024, so you have to download a fresh base file and point it to the 2024 community folder then all will be ok. Really pleased with BATC now..
I was thinking whether to buy BATC or GSX at last i boughth the gsx but im looking forward for buy beyond atc soon as well because i know thus is a great software for a really good price
So when taxxing after a landing you can tell BATC which gate you want to park at and it will give you directions. But then you use GSX to tell your parking and then the marshall will be there awaiting you. BATC doesn't have that yet.
Does anybody else have the situation I find? I have the BATC traffic all parked nicely with correct liveries and so forth. But nothing moves. No taxiing, no departures, no arrivals. What do I have to do to set the injected world in motion?
So far I absolutely Love BATC, but I can't for the life of me find the settings to disable ingame ATC. I can turn down the character voice volume and turn off the captions, and that works, but that seems more like a work around than an actual fix. I'd rather just be able to turn off ATC.
Hi, Ive just purchased BATC and I'm loving it. I bought their £$29.99 version....question....I have FSLTL traffic already.....Do I have to run FSLTL as well in the background once BATC is up and running ? Thanks.
i think he isnt going to do this as he is more batc biassed. I have them both and both work fine in 2024. Traffic with aig gives me models without animations on both programs. With fsltl models i have to check in batc. For me fshud is still the better functioning program at the moment. But batc is getting there. I use fshud on my tablet to handle the atc, so nothing on my screen while flying which is great. Batc sometimes looses track of your plane in flight which is annoying. So for now I would say fshud is the better option inspite of the broken aig models.
@ yeah thats what I was thinking. Because I have only FSHub and I can’t imagine a better software - it’s perfect imo. That’s I was asking what can be better than perfect :D. Btw. FSLTL is not working with FSHud atm and AIG is being updated soon with the animations and wheels. That’s a limitation with AIG and 2024 and the developer is on it. Thank you for your sharings
I use FSHUD with FSLTL and it is brilliant. Handles everything from start to finish. When in flight AI aircraft are directed and on approach you get the spacing. I really do recommend FSHUD. I also have BATC and it was problematic for me and nothing like or as good as HUD. I am using FS2020 at this time
If you already own FSHUD for a while then you have to pay an Upgrade Fee to make FSHUD FS24 compatible. Its 17.50 Euro. I kept on FS 2020 Compatibility only so cant comment on FS 24 use. BATC works on both & is tied to your account. FSHUD & BATC both give you a good experience. The big difference is you can choose what runways you want to use in FSHUD. BATC selects runways from ATIS.
Please help me my Fenix a320 won't move even if I checked the imputs and the is no parking breaks and no chocks the sensor says that tzere are no breaks
@@Easyjetsimpilotif you turn off the live traffic, wouldn’t that get rid of the ships too? I thought unchecking both aircraft traffic options in the graphic setting would do?!
I love that they finally realeased it to the early access branch. However, Gavin your guide from "How To Gain FPS & Performance With New AI Traffic" does not work with beyond ATC sadly. They say on their support pages that downscaling is not supported and indeed you wont see any planes with downscaled models. FSLTL on the other hand says they are not planning to release lower resolution textures since they dont see a need for it (lol).... i would love for any of them to help us with this.
Great video mate! Just bought it now - in terms of getting Just Flight Traffic working, do I just put the folders into my MSFS 2024 community folder the same as FSLTL - I personally like the FSTraffic models over FSLTL, bit more higher quality.
@@Easyjetsimpilot I've just set it all up - do I always need a flight from simbrief to get this working? What if I just want to see the traffic injector etc?
@@PracticallyGeek If you don't download the flightplan in Simbrief, BATC will not recognize the flightplan. It will simply download the last flightplan from Simbrief.
Hello is the software can tell help to fly the plane ? Is there co pilot function mean we ask him to take all control of the plane via communicate with their atc and he will follow the atc said can success land the plane in destination airport
Ive been using this for last few days. Its brilliant and there is no where near the same reduction in FPS that you get with FSLTL. Dont get me wrong ive loved using the latter one but once i started using BATC it got on my nerves a bit that the two things had no relation to each otheR , ie getting cleared for take off while another aircraft was only a few seconds away from landing. Now those issues are gone for me and the immersion is back in the sim again.
Also im using FS2020. I hated 2024. It just doesnt look as good or run as smooth. While 2020 works for me i cant see me going over to 2024 anytime soon.
@slizzy418 its not though. Ive noticed at least between 3 and 5 fps improvement using BATC over FSLTL. Its justbworks better somehow. Dont ask me how they did it because ive no idea but BATC really is better.
How do you actually get the aircraft to spawn? I hear the chatter in beyond atc and see the traffic on the map/EFB but i don't actually see the aircraft. I have FSLTL in my community folder
I was only using FSLTL with BATC and it seemed to work nicely. I tried to download FS Traffic to join fsltl, and I can’t get the fs traffic fleet to be noticed by fs 2020. Everything else unzipped fine accept the livery bundles. Not sure how to fix it.
Compared to FSLTL.. it’s worse like 25% less performance with the same exact number of planes that you would have on FSLTL And I suspect lying from BATC team since they claim that the program is controlling the traffic apparently it doesn’t if it does, it should not affect the performance this heavily. Just flight of fast traffic is the one that really controls the traffic from within the App itself and not hand it over to a MSFS engine which is the case sadly with BATC.
I assume that the default settings are based on LIVE traffic.. I can't seem to confirm this anywhere. Also I assume that ATC Assistance must be turned off in FS2024 settings. And its not really obvious.. do I start B-ATC prior to running FS or is it allowable to load the program when I'm in the world map in FS2024?
So FSLTL traffic injector is not needed when using BATC? What about the injection radius and traffic despawn after xx seconds setting which FLSLT has? Thanks.
@@chilo7331 How does BATC view an outdated AIRAC? For example, it assigns me STAR VIICE3A, but since I don't have a navigraph and I use the default AIRAC simbrief, which is unfortunately already a year and a half old, I have VIICE2A, for example, in the freeware 787 and pmdg 737. Does BATC understand this thing that I don't have the latest AIRAC? Often the STAR or SID does not change in terms of points, and altitude or speed restrictions, it just changes its name, however, I don't know if BATC understands this.
I play on Xbox s, why aren’t the planes showing up? I only see the old A330’s with pointy noises flying… is this supposed to happen to Xbox? Please respond 😊
It can technically be used for career mode if you file the flight plan in simbrief. You will lose a few points for not using the ingame ATC but it still works and you will still get an A or S rating
I am using FSLTL with Beyond ATC. I noticed that you have your AI traffic densities to mainly seven's. But, what about my FSLTL settings??? Does Beyond ATC density settings override this? Or, is there a specific setting for FSLTL that is recommended to be used with Beyond ATC? Unless maybe you don't have to load FSLTL in the normal fashion??? Apologize in advance if this question was answered.
Yes, but you have to install FSLTL by FlyByWire. BATC will use that to populate the airports. And you got to turn off communication ATC from Mircrosoft.
@@ColinDyckes I tried that but there is some weird windows BS going on with the files being encrypted in the community folder because of store version. Had to download the base from GitHub and then it worked
Is traffic injection based on live traffic? If so, i dont understand the "density" options. If live then wouldnt density follow live traffic, or is this AI traffic only? Either way sounds awesome, but i love the idea of seeing real flights in msfs.
@easyjetsimpilot: I copied fsltl-traffic-base folder to my MSFS 2024 community folder.. but in-game I only see the default liveries from MSFS on the planes. Not the reallife liveries.
The BATC injection is fine but, despite turning off any other injected traffic (settings/general/online/aircraft traffic type/OFF) there is still MSFS 2024 injected traffic spawning at the airport. When I then start up BATC and it injects its own (realistic) aircraft there's a lot of piggy-backing at the gates. Is there a way to start up an airport/flight with absolutely no injected traffic, before starting BATC?
@@daviddanser8011 Yes, I finally did it. You have to set: Settings/Graphics/Global Rendering Quality/Traffic Airport Quality to OFF.... ALSO same path/Air Traffic to OFF....ALSO Settings/General/Online/Aircraft Traffic Type to OFF. Having done all that, the MSFS2024 injected trafic disappears. Now, using BATC (with a flight plan loaded, won't work without), the authentic traffic is injected by BATC alone. But wait! There are plenty of properly-liveried aircraft parked. But nothing is happening! No taxiing, no landings, no take-offs. What's the secret to making them move???!!
@@brianking5058 Verify in Option if you have the AI Traffic On and that each slider is activated accordingly. Oh and the planed can't move if ATC doesn't give them autorisation :) It also takes a couple of minutes for the planes to actually start moving.
Do you mind sharing how to get it running for FS2024? I downloaded after I saw your video but upon connecting it says I need to have FSLTL or FStraffic installed.
@ericvandorp Cool thanks. I have a midrange laptop, the only thing high about it is the CPU (i9-14900HX) so hopfully it can handle it. But I'll definitely check it out Thank you.
@@Philmo888 I dont think their injectors work. I dont have Beyond ATC myself but considering it now. I am gathering BATC works as the new injector but inserts the models from FSLTL and AIG
EVERYONE KNOW THIS ALREADY BECAUSE MANY SIMMERS LIKE YOU keep expecting a platform like this to be 100% correct from the get-go. and you will not shut up about it go back to the sandox and wait for everyone to be perfect . we will in the meantime grow with this platform
It's good, but ATM, I'm getting a lot of planes parked on top of each other at the gate. Also, planes with the wrong liveries. Ie. Easyjet marked plane with another carriers liverie.
Best 30 dollars I’ve spent. Incredible software, and the basic voices work just fine.
I agree I used all the premium characters and recently have just started using basic and I don’t even notice a difference, maybe slightly but the basic is 100x better than msfs atc. So now unless I’m doing career mode, or flying vatsim I always have beyond atc on
Good for you. I’m just glad you’re not on Vatsim if you can’t handle it 😂
@@TheGarlicMan well tbh with you BeyondATC is what gave me the confidence to try Vatsim, I was able to practice speaking for myself. And from my experience if youre honest you are new the ATC are mostly patient.
@@Youn6Jdoes Beyond ATC not work in career mode?
@@stevehoff i dont think so, Ive only tried in free flight since, The ATC is part of the mission in career mode
best addon i've ever bought for a flight sim, its a 10/10
I'm considering it. Do you notice any cons and have you use the traffic injector yet?
@@legendkiller456 No cons that are deal breakers as most bugs are quashed pretty quickly and there's regular updates & improvements. I don't know everyones financial situation but it's worth every penny. Couple it with FSLTL models (you will lose some FPS depending on your rig) and it's just a fantastic experience. Also, no need to use the "premium" atc voices they offer, the basic package is absolutely fine.
@@nomadman_84 Why does it have larger fps hit on injected traffic over fsltl? I'm little bit worried about this. I had to tweak ai traffic a lot with fsltl to have stable performance even in heavy AI traffic areas.
@@Izmael1310 It's just that they are rendered into the sim and need more memory/juice for it to do so. But maybe I didn't explain it well, I do not lose more using BATC than I did using purely the injector from fsltl, it's almost identical and in some cases better and easier to tweak via batc, as they only grab the models used by fsltl but have their own injection running.
As for a comparison of sims, I lose a little less fps in 24 than I did in 20 but I appreciate that means nothing as everyone seems to have differing experience re-performance in '24. It's way better for me than 2020, which I was surprised about (i5-11600k, 32gb ram, rtx 3070).
@@nomadman_84 Ok. Thats is the way it should be. Asobo promised with new sim new approach to modern multiple core cpus - multithreading works much better and thus we can have better results = fps with the same HW. I'm still with MSFS2020 and thinking about going for BATC. I'm just little bit worried with the AI traffic, because I truly love the FSLTL. It is very accurate from the injection viewpoint only default ATC butchers it big time. For example I see an aircraft on FR24 and really the aircraft is moving for take off in real life or its on approach, BUT if the aircraft holds too long in game, msfs traffic engine removes it. The same applies on the landing aircraft - if go around is performed msfs engine removes this aircraft and this aircraft is usually injected within few minutes back and tries it again. I saw this happen 3 times with the same aircraft. Once it was third time successful landing the second time it was not successful and after 3rd removal the injector spawned this aircraft at the gate - basically like it already landed and arrived at tge gate. Which I dont mind. I think it is nice touch, but this is not the fsltl issue but msfs traffic ai engine issue. I'm telling myself well if the batc ai traffic wont work for me at least I will have better ATC and I can still inject traffic with fsltl, but still I'm cautious about all of this.
6:35 unfortunately I was in a nose to nose situation at Atlanta Hartsfield when ground told me to pushback and face north there was a plane facing me and ATC just told us both to hold and we were stuck. Has only happened once so its whatever no big deal. Beyond ATC is still amazing and a must have for immersion
I installed the FSLTL, just the base model pack of airplanes (big download) and I ran it with BATC and it shows the aircraft, and BATC injects them in to the sim. They work fine. Also, I wanted to pushback off the gat but the ATC from BATC told me to hold there was another plane pushing back first beside me. It's really a great program!
Yeah I've got FSLTL working on 2024 no issues at my end that I can see.
It’s an amazing product. Been using it with traffic on experimental for a while and it just gets better and better! Kind to frame rates too.
I’m only using it in 2020 for now cos I’m only ever doing VFR in 2024 for now.
I bought while on MSFS 2020. I love that it recognizes which MSFS version you are using and works perfect on both 2020 and 2024. Best money I have spent.
BeyondATC is a real gamechanger for me, both the ATC and the traffic injection. When a Vatsim flight is largely unicom, i use BeyondATC. Good to hear that it already works in 2024. I'll wait for a few more months to dive into MSFS2024 though.
Great video and demo of the features, love the way you do that ! Thanks for your hard work mate it is appreciated
Thank you
First flight with traffic was absolutely flawless. And extremely fun. One of the best software i bought for FS so far, even with some little recognition issue due to me not being english native speaker.
Traffic injections working great thus far, had to turn the enroute density down a bit as I couldn't get a word in edgeways. My two wishes for BATC are quality of life things, have 'always on top' set on by default/remember my preference and add the app to the sim toolbar, so no more Alt Tabbing.
Batc has a vr addon I'm not sure if it works with 2024 yet but I think that's what you're looking for it should make the program accessible from the tool bar in the sim
@@alon4634please provide source for download! I bought BATC upon release, but yet to use it while I await a toolbar addon or something. This will help me to finally use it in VR.
i just had my first flight and i was quite impressed, its really inmersive
FSLTL (with AIG as fallback) working great here in 2024. I just added the necessary community folders as symbolic links into the 2024 community folder. :) As a consequence BATC also working fine.
I installed BATC. It then asked me to install FSLTL, which I did. But I'm getting a mix of default and real liveries, often two aircraft at one gate, and weird things like gliders at the gates of Berlin Airport! Did you change any settings in fs24 to avoid this?
I bought the supporter version of BATC simply because of this excellent injector, using the FSLTL models. But what's better than any other injector is, as you point out, all the radio chatter, plus the highly accurate airline injection points etc. Heck I might even start to play with the ATC aspect (it's just too much hassle most of the time).
Been trying this out at various European airports in 2020 yesterday and today (I haven't done a full flight yet). It's not perfect, bugs exist, but this is still revolutionary. I think this is equally as game changing as MSFS2024 will be to the airliner simulation experience. Perhaps even more so.
I've just got a refund back to 2020
What are you seeing that makes this a better sim?
@Lonsome1223 not sure I understand the question. I'm still on 2020 because I'm waiting for 2024 to stabilise and for more add-ons to move over before I jump to 2024.
Like many got so hooked that I bought the supporters version as well and am over the moon that it works with FS2024. We've learnt to address and cope with the occasional BATC crashes and know when a plane is 'stuck' on the tarmac and when it's 'really' waiting. I have been very impressed with the support you get and the feedback on discord. You can tell it's written by a team and not by an individual.Hearing all those different languages - the fast French, the articulate German, the patient Italian etc when at EGLL makes you feel completely immersed in the action.
Great work. Been working well for me on the Exp. for ages, and in 2024. Until Say Intentions (a far superior overall pacakage) nail the traffic, BATC is still a great tool for me.
Thanks for this review. BeyondATC is an excellent product. I've been using it with FS2020 for a while now. I have noticed (and this is a very minor complaint) that the AI aircraft do not connect to airport jetways. But as far as directing traffic and immersion, this is by far the best option for traffic simulation in MSFS
We totally agree - this is due to MS/Asobo not giving us access to the jetways via an API. The second they give us an endpoint to call jetways via an API we will add in this feature because we want it just as much as you! :)
I have been using this under its experimental licence for several months in 2020 and 2024 and it is supurb.
This is a great preparation to get „serious“ on VATSIM. It even understand my bloody german accent :)
Only Englishmen say "bloody"
@ That fits. I got that word from a Guy in Buckingham :)
That's funny I just couldn't wait any longer and got the supporters package last week!
And me :(, but I'm more than happy to support these guys. 60 pounds well spent
Beyond ATC has being great for me. It's giving me the practice to get the correct terminology in different stages of the flight ready for "maybe" a leap towards vatsim. Love the traffice injection too, as said you don't come nose to nose with another aircraft. I don't understand tho how a third party can out do the main developer (microsoft/asobo) when it comes to developing things like this. Surely it would be slightly embarrasing for them. The whole idea of being a developer is you want to be the best of the best. Airbus Vs Boeing for example. Thankfully we have a dedicated team like beyond atc that produce a great product!
I'm currently loving flying GA in FS2024, mainly in Career Mode, but will definitely be investing in BATC when I inevitably move back to flying the excellent Fenix Airbus A3** series aircraft. I fly in VR, so will almost certainly need to tweak my settings to retain a reasonable frame rate, with the more demanding aircraft and more live traffic. :)
Awesome!
Beyond ATC didn't work for me in 2024, I assumed it wasn't in but must have been on my end and I'll give it another shot... did love it in 2020
I have the FSLTL base models in my Community folder for FS2024 and FSLTL set as #1 on my model matching priority, but when I launch BATC, I still see the generic aircraft and very few real world liveries. Is that because BATC is still looking for the base models in my 2020 Community folder?
Still on 2020 here, might need this.
If there are any awards for Flight Simulator 3rd party apps, then BATC should get the top award!
That pop in at such close range is still a deal breaker for me with 2024.
My LOD is set quite low to keep fps performance.
simmers have too many "dealbreakers" these days. lame excuses to not use a product
simmers like this are simply never happy and seem to want a product with features and expectations no product will EVER be able to meet
@@Easyjetsimpilot I have set mine to max and everything else, turned off the 30fps performance and have the same issue, but no issue in 2020.
@@pieterduplessis6906 i have no issue in 2020, I can fly over an airport and see planes spawn in as close as 500m and disappear just as fast as i fly past in 2024. I have a 9800x3d, max specs, everything set to max. I have been flying sims since microprose f19 stealth fighter so am quite able to compromise with single figure frame rate. But why should I use this product over another one that works perfectly well and does not have an immersion breaking streaming system like this. I have game pass so it is a case of using one over the other.
@redsaints the static aircraft pop in at airports is the most annoying thing to me about msfs 2024. Tried all sorts of settings but still the same issue, must be related to the streaming of assets.
Hi Gavin. If like me some weeks ago I shrunk the FSLTL folder from 42gb to 15gb(4k-1k). This does not work in 2024, so you have to download a fresh base file and point it to the 2024 community folder then all will be ok. Really pleased with BATC now..
I'd stopped using BATC as I couldn't get on with it. I've updated it, downloaded and installed FSLTL, so I'll give it a go again.
I was waiting this before a purchasing it.
That’s why I’m still fly in msfs2020
I was thinking whether to buy BATC or GSX at last i boughth the gsx but im looking forward for buy beyond atc soon as well because i know thus is a great software for a really good price
So when taxxing after a landing you can tell BATC which gate you want to park at and it will give you directions. But then you use GSX to tell your parking and then the marshall will be there awaiting you. BATC doesn't have that yet.
I turned the FS24 traffic off and use the FSLTL. It works great for me atm.
BATC traffic is the only solution to fixing the terrible default AI in FS2024
and fshud
Does anybody else have the situation I find? I have the BATC traffic all parked nicely with correct liveries and so forth. But nothing moves. No taxiing, no departures, no arrivals. What do I have to do to set the injected world in motion?
Give your PC a good kick.
So far I absolutely Love BATC, but I can't for the life of me find the settings to disable ingame ATC. I can turn down the character voice volume and turn off the captions, and that works, but that seems more like a work around than an actual fix. I'd rather just be able to turn off ATC.
Hi, Ive just purchased BATC and I'm loving it. I bought their £$29.99 version....question....I have FSLTL traffic already.....Do I have to run FSLTL as well in the background once BATC is up and running ? Thanks.
No. BATC will use the FSLTL models and inject the traffic for you. You do not need to run the FSLTL traffic program.
@@Easyjetsimpilot understood many thanks Gav.
Would you be able to do a post on what 3rd party add ons you have and rate?
This is great post, been thinking about getting this.
At the moment, not many for MSFS 2024. Just airport scenery and the Fenix A320, IniBuilds A300.
Just copied FSLT to 2024 community folder. BATC and all seemed to work so far. I also set Traffic On and set all settings to 2 for now.
Since the traffic injection by beyond atc I have two aircraft on some parking positions, how can this problem be solved?
Nice! What version of BeyondATC are you using? Is BeyondATC traffic injector included in $29,99 Basic Version? Or $59,99 Supporter's Pack only?
So traffic injection using FSLTL is working in FS24 as well? How do I install the FSLTL base models into FS24?
@@phillipelster9791 you can configure the Flybywire installer to select the 2024 community folder.
just bought it, should i install fsltl traffic models too?
Can you make a comparison with FShud ?
i think he isnt going to do this as he is more batc biassed. I have them both and both work fine in 2024. Traffic with aig gives me models without animations on both programs. With fsltl models i have to check in batc. For me fshud is still the better functioning program at the moment. But batc is getting there. I use fshud on my tablet to handle the atc, so nothing on my screen while flying which is great. Batc sometimes looses track of your plane in flight which is annoying. So for now I would say fshud is the better option inspite of the broken aig models.
@ yeah thats what I was thinking. Because I have only FSHub and I can’t imagine a better software - it’s perfect imo. That’s I was asking what can be better than perfect :D. Btw. FSLTL is not working with FSHud atm and AIG is being updated soon with the animations and wheels. That’s a limitation with AIG and 2024 and the developer is on it. Thank you for your sharings
I use FSHUD with FSLTL and it is brilliant. Handles everything from start to finish. When in flight AI aircraft are directed and on approach you get the spacing. I really do recommend FSHUD. I also have BATC and it was problematic for me and nothing like or as good as HUD. I am using FS2020 at this time
If you already own FSHUD for a while then you have to pay an Upgrade Fee to make FSHUD FS24 compatible. Its 17.50 Euro. I kept on FS 2020 Compatibility only so cant comment on FS 24 use. BATC works on both & is tied to your account. FSHUD & BATC both give you a good experience. The big difference is you can choose what runways you want to use in FSHUD. BATC selects runways from ATIS.
Please help me my Fenix a320 won't move even if I checked the imputs and the is no parking breaks and no chocks the sensor says that tzere are no breaks
I assume I would turn off Live Traffic and AI Traffic in the settings to use this now?
Correct.
@@Easyjetsimpilot THANKS!
@@Easyjetsimpilotif you turn off the live traffic, wouldn’t that get rid of the ships too? I thought unchecking both aircraft traffic options in the graphic setting would do?!
Big FPS hit
This is my concern. Please elaborate. What settings are you using?
AI traffic will always be a framerate killer. It”s always been like that.
Not at all.
@@Arden_Axle I guess my 4090 is too weak😂
@@mlaakie Im running a 6800xt, and the fps hit is definitely not bad. If you feel that its bad, just put hte sliders down a little.
With BATC can you hear traffic control talk to the AI planes?
Yes.
Hello!! I m using AIG modelmaching..with BATC .
There Is a reasons why all my traffic does not show the wheels?
Excellent! So must I first set up a flightplan in SimBrief in order for beyond ATC to recognize it?
That is correct
@@Easyjetsimpilot I got it loaded in. Only problem is now I don’t have the menu in VR. 😢
@@EasyjetsimpilotAlso, do I have to start the FSLTL traffic injector as well?
You don't need to run the FSLTL injector. FSLTL provides the models, BATC does the injection.
Forgot, vr download is in Discord 👍
I love that they finally realeased it to the early access branch. However, Gavin your guide from "How To Gain FPS & Performance With New AI Traffic" does not work with beyond ATC sadly. They say on their support pages that downscaling is not supported and indeed you wont see any planes with downscaled models. FSLTL on the other hand says they are not planning to release lower resolution textures since they dont see a need for it (lol).... i would love for any of them to help us with this.
I’ve been using a 2k version of downscaled FSLTL planes for months without issues.
@ i was down to 1K. Will try with 2k tomorrow. Maybe there’s a magic border 😅
I certainly used lower textures with BATC.
Tried several times this weekend. Only with the original download of the base models it seems to work. I guess you guys are lucky.
Great video mate! Just bought it now - in terms of getting Just Flight Traffic working, do I just put the folders into my MSFS 2024 community folder the same as FSLTL - I personally like the FSTraffic models over FSLTL, bit more higher quality.
Correct. That's all I did.
@@Easyjetsimpilot I've just set it all up - do I always need a flight from simbrief to get this working? What if I just want to see the traffic injector etc?
@@PracticallyGeek If you don't download the flightplan in Simbrief, BATC will not recognize the flightplan. It will simply download the last flightplan from Simbrief.
Whats the performance hit like?
Hello is the software can tell help to fly the plane ? Is there co pilot function mean we ask him to take all control of the plane via communicate with their atc and he will follow the atc said can success land the plane in destination airport
I see only the co pilot with communicate to atc can help to fly the plane automatically
Ive been using this for last few days. Its brilliant and there is no where near the same reduction in FPS that you get with FSLTL. Dont get me wrong ive loved using the latter one but once i started using BATC it got on my nerves a bit that the two things had no relation to each otheR , ie getting cleared for take off while another aircraft was only a few seconds away from landing.
Now those issues are gone for me and the immersion is back in the sim again.
Also im using FS2020. I hated 2024. It just doesnt look as good or run as smooth. While 2020 works for me i cant see me going over to 2024 anytime soon.
What she saying about the fps being a lot better with BATC is just pure BS
@slizzy418 its not though. Ive noticed at least between 3 and 5 fps improvement using BATC over FSLTL.
Its justbworks better somehow. Dont ask me how they did it because ive no idea but BATC really is better.
How do you actually get the aircraft to spawn? I hear the chatter in beyond atc and see the traffic on the map/EFB but i don't actually see the aircraft. I have FSLTL in my community folder
Ensure it is a fresh install into msfs 2024 for FSLTL and not just copying the community folder over.
For the people who bought it. How big is the performance impact?
I was only using FSLTL with BATC and it seemed to work nicely. I tried to download FS Traffic to join fsltl, and I can’t get the fs traffic fleet to be noticed by fs 2020. Everything else unzipped fine accept the livery bundles. Not sure how to fix it.
How is performance affected by the program?
Compared to FSLTL.. it’s worse like 25% less performance with the same exact number of planes that you would have on FSLTL
And I suspect lying from BATC team since they claim that the program is controlling the traffic apparently it doesn’t if it does, it should not affect the performance this heavily. Just flight of fast traffic is the one that really controls the traffic from within the App itself and not hand it over to a MSFS engine which is the case sadly with BATC.
@slizzy418 so you recommend fsltl over batc?
@ i requested a refund after seeing how badly their traffic is implemented & performed.. so yes currently FSLTL is the better option
@slizzy418 but does it also improve ATC or just Traffic?
I assume that the default settings are based on LIVE traffic.. I can't seem to confirm this anywhere. Also I assume that ATC Assistance must be turned off in FS2024 settings. And its not really obvious.. do I start B-ATC prior to running FS or is it allowable to load the program when I'm in the world map in FS2024?
So FSLTL traffic injector is not needed when using BATC? What about the injection radius and traffic despawn after xx seconds setting which FLSLT has? Thanks.
Don’t need it, just need the base model liveries
@@chilo7331 Is that traffic injection somehow realistic - based on flightradar24 data?
@@chilo7331 How does BATC view an outdated AIRAC? For example, it assigns me STAR VIICE3A, but since I don't have a navigraph and I use the default AIRAC simbrief, which is unfortunately already a year and a half old, I have VIICE2A, for example, in the freeware 787 and pmdg 737. Does BATC understand this thing that I don't have the latest AIRAC? Often the STAR or SID does not change in terms of points, and altitude or speed restrictions, it just changes its name, however, I don't know if BATC understands this.
Do we heard atc and other plane speaking together on the frequency we are in this soft?
Yes you do
can it still only be used with Live Weather?
so the traffic it injects is based on real world schedules? like how FSTL pulls the data from FR24?
Yes and no. It isn't 'live' traffic, but based on real world schedules
Is this only for Airliner type traffic? No GA ?
Look, I just want there to be a VR menu option for this and I’m fully sold. Why not yet, I don’t know.
Found the ingame panel on their Discord site
Are planes visible in littlenavmap ?
can you make a video how to set it up! Your the best!
There is already a video on the channel detailing how to use BATC 👍
@@Easyjetsimpilot Sorry, I mean how to set traffic injector up.
I play on Xbox s, why aren’t the planes showing up? I only see the old A330’s with pointy noises flying… is this supposed to happen to Xbox? Please respond 😊
ITS PC only. No Xbox & wont be an Xbox version. Welcome to Xbox Gaming for Flight Sim. You get about 25% of what PC gamers have access too.
FSLTL is working fine for me in FS2024 - but who knows maybe the next patch will change everything..
Que opciones hay que cambiar en el Sim (2024) para que funcione ?
Hi Is there anyway to see the traffic on a map , like Little Navmap or similiar? Thank you ;-)
Can you use Beyond in the career mode instead of the default ATC or is it just for free flight?
It can technically be used for career mode if you file the flight plan in simbrief. You will lose a few points for not using the ingame ATC but it still works and you will still get an A or S rating
do we have to run FSLTL with this new version on beyond ATC to get traffic?
Yes
@ with injector?
I am using FSLTL with Beyond ATC. I noticed that you have your AI traffic densities to mainly seven's. But, what about my FSLTL settings??? Does Beyond ATC density settings override this? Or, is there a specific setting for FSLTL that is recommended to be used with Beyond ATC? Unless maybe you don't have to load FSLTL in the normal fashion??? Apologize in advance if this question was answered.
You do not use the FSLTL traffic injector at all. No need as BATC is injecting the traffic using FSLTL models.
Do I have to turn off the default traffic i guess?
Yes, but you have to install FSLTL by FlyByWire. BATC will use that to populate the airports. And you got to turn off communication ATC from Mircrosoft.
Does it also work for a career, or only for a free flight?
Was the voice in the start an Norwegian women speaking?
How do I use the FSLTL models with 2024? I have them installed (for 2020) but BATC says it can't find them when running 2024.
Delete them, and re-install them. I've also had to do this.
Add a symbolic link in the FS2024 Community folder to the FSLTL models in FS2020. That way you only need one copy.
@@ColinDyckes I tried that but there is some weird windows BS going on with the files being encrypted in the community folder because of store version. Had to download the base from GitHub and then it worked
Is traffic injection based on live traffic? If so, i dont understand the "density" options. If live then wouldnt density follow live traffic, or is this AI traffic only? Either way sounds awesome, but i love the idea of seeing real flights in msfs.
No, it's based on real world schedules, but not 'live' traffic.
I am using FSHUD which also injects the traffic. Is there a reason to switch to Beyond ATC?
@easyjetsimpilot: I copied fsltl-traffic-base folder to my MSFS 2024 community folder.. but in-game I only see the default liveries from MSFS on the planes. Not the reallife liveries.
You need to install fsltl directly to your msfs 2024 community folder.
The BATC injection is fine but, despite turning off any other injected traffic (settings/general/online/aircraft traffic type/OFF) there is still MSFS 2024 injected traffic spawning at the airport. When I then start up BATC and it injects its own (realistic) aircraft there's a lot of piggy-backing at the gates. Is there a way to start up an airport/flight with absolutely no injected traffic, before starting BATC?
Turn off all traffic in MSFS 2024 settings, also airport traffic
@@daviddanser8011 Yes, I finally did it. You have to set: Settings/Graphics/Global Rendering Quality/Traffic Airport Quality to OFF.... ALSO same path/Air Traffic to OFF....ALSO Settings/General/Online/Aircraft Traffic Type to OFF. Having done all that, the MSFS2024 injected trafic disappears. Now, using BATC (with a flight plan loaded, won't work without), the authentic traffic is injected by BATC alone.
But wait! There are plenty of properly-liveried aircraft parked. But nothing is happening! No taxiing, no landings, no take-offs. What's the secret to making them move???!!
@@brianking5058did you make it work?
@@brianking5058 Verify in Option if you have the AI Traffic On and that each slider is activated accordingly. Oh and the planed can't move if ATC doesn't give them autorisation :) It also takes a couple of minutes for the planes to actually start moving.
Do you mind sharing how to get it running for FS2024? I downloaded after I saw your video but upon connecting it says I need to have FSLTL or FStraffic installed.
Of course they release it a week after I buy the supporters Lol all good though love beyond atc
Does vatsim work with msfs 2024?
I'm getting tired of 12 hour vatsim flights with no traffic or atc. I might look into this.
Still on 2020 til we get a decent boeing to fly
blowing sucks
@tonyodoul5679 i appreciate the productive comment
If i use FSTLTLwich soft do i have to download(Base model or injector or both). Not clear for me. Sorry for my english
Base model only.
Does what it says on the tin
What kind of impact does it have on 2024 performance?
for me it has almost no impact. maybe 1 or 3 fps. And I have a midrange system.
@ericvandorp Cool thanks. I have a midrange laptop, the only thing high about it is the CPU (i9-14900HX) so hopfully it can handle it. But I'll definitely check it out Thank you.
Can I ask if, with BATC traffic being injected and all speaking with ATC, that my ration of Premium Characters will be used up much more quickly?
Can confirm as early supporter, yes the premium characters do get used up faster. But, there is a toggle for traffic to use basic voices
Is it GA ready or I have to do ifr?
Where can I buy this for my PC game pass version of 2024?
Link in the video description.
I asked too soon - and wrongly assumed it was 2024. Looks like a wait - as not sure any of the free or paid tools work with 2024.
This was filmed in MSFS 24, but works with both 20 and 24.
@ ah thanks so FSLTL and FS traffic do work with 2024 ? I had read that both come with problems (with 2024). Thanks.
@@Philmo888 I dont think their injectors work. I dont have Beyond ATC myself but considering it now. I am gathering BATC works as the new injector but inserts the models from FSLTL and AIG
Is that iniBuilds EGLL you have on your MSFS2024? Thanks!
No, I haven't installed that yet. This is default msfs.
is beyondATC Better then sayintentions ai? or is this To compare apples and oranges?
Is vmr file require for beyond atc
How’s the performance?
Bit better than fsltl injector
A not yet finish app for a not yet finish simulator
EVERYONE KNOW THIS ALREADY BECAUSE MANY SIMMERS LIKE YOU keep expecting a platform like this to be 100% correct from the get-go. and you will not shut up about it
go back to the sandox and wait for everyone to be perfect . we will in the meantime grow with this platform
@@pieterduplessis6906 sure man, keep licking their boots
It's good, but ATM, I'm getting a lot of planes parked on top of each other at the gate. Also, planes with the wrong liveries. Ie. Easyjet marked plane with another carriers liverie.
Did you remove traffic in MSFS options. Don't activate FSDLT injection.