TH-cam has left a processing error in the video where the audio loops itself for around 1 second, half way through the video (Nothing Major), you may remember this from the old PS3 Video, where it also happened, hopefully it'll be sorted out by the time the video is processed...If not please enjoy me saying "The Mono Team" Twice.
Budget-Builds Official I will send you a PCI GPU! I have an old PCI GeForce FX 5200 that absolutely sucks. But it would be a great upgrade from those Intel GMA. Comment back to me if you want more info!
Lol, CD players don't have anything like that. Modern ones have a DSP, 4 bit, 3 MHz microcontroller, a tiny amount of SRAM (64K or less) and that's it.
Use something like this for long enough and eventually you'll be granted infinite patience with even the worst of computer performance. After having a Samsung NC10 (1gb of ram and a Atom N270 that failed to beat a pentium 4 with downclocked GMA 950 and a 25mb/s 80gb HDD) as my only computer for 6 years (2009-2015), I've gained the ability to even see 320x200 @ 10fps as enjoyable. So I guess there is a saving grace to this sort of performance and having the patience to deal with it
I found 15-20 fps acceptable for ages. But this was off the back of not having had a PC at all for close to half a decade, and being old enough to know a period where 3d games didn't just consider 12 fps ''acceptable', but actually considered it the target for an optimum, best-case type experience. We've come a long way since then. On the other hand I still mess with a computer first sold in 1979, so... ehh.
My old work had one of these for 5 years, we received update playlist CDs every season, also twice in 5 years had upgrade disks sent. When the supplier went under new company, owned by a former Radio 1 DJ, replaced that massive box with a glasses case sized box that had audio connector to our speaker system and Lan connector to our intranet, have been steaming shop Music for at least 8 years now.
Mark Wintle Meant for Royalties, legal sound in store and non private environments, he needs documentation, hahahahaha........ Do a Royalties museum, remember how we did that in 1995? any people need to see that museum? or know what royalties are?
lucas rem Yep, lower PRS fees meant 6 months after first getting player they sent disks out to replace original artists recordings we'd enjoyed with God awful cover versions I've never had so many customers complain as much as when that happened.
Mark Wintle i did work in the industry, we used systems as this, Arcade, UK market too, all over Europe. Arcade CD's you must remember, smash TV hits and may more.... i did all their internet 1993 business.....not that hard, BBS level.... Needed to travel a lot to setup that network for them to run their business....Corporate people all knew that the needed active data for Hit Top 40 lists, a fun job it was, internet back then was still fun and text. A&R people never needed to know how records were selling, only interesting in if the school youth like the records, the downtown clubs. Guess we all knew this was fake, 1980 Hit charges were not as real as sales did in shops, needing more time to count how many were sold for real....
Weaker doesn't even descibe it. Those Intel GMA were hardly usable for multimedia, don't even think about gaming. I got a setup from around 2000/2001 that runs the games just as good.
what do you mean not great lol the original halflife ran on a 233mhz pentium 2 with 32mb of ram, i played on a 500mhz amd athlon and had 64megs of ram and it ran half life great, that crappy pc is still more powerful than those.
Devin Hepburn I was going to suggest that myself, but I'll throw in booting 32bit Mint XFCE as it can install drivers for Nvidia fairly easy, and STEAM can run on Mint XFCE at least 64bit Mint XFCE, I've not tried it on 32bit, but would make for interesting video, as I'm honestly tired of TH-camrs defaulting to older versions of Windows on these older machines.
@@adwaitagnome I had a GT610 previously on a system with a Core i3 3220 and 4gb RAM(I recently upgraded the system to 8GB RAM and a GTX1650). The GPU severely bottlenecked the GPU for any gaming and, when rendering in Blender using Cycles, the CPU was actually four times faster than the GPU despite it having 48 CUDA cores. The only purpose of this graphics card is to be an HDMI adapter.
Dude! You should definitely go for gt 610. It would be really entertaining. I can already see the title: Can a 5 quid CD player benefit from having a dedicated GPU? Or something like: Should you upgrade a CD player by adding a gt 610? Is it worth it?
SinikkaL really? Used market in my country is flooded by those 610's. I can buy one right now, but sending it to the UK to Mr. Budget Biulds's door is not an easy task.
Imagesound and Mood Media boxes are actually still used in many chain stores. A lot of these Imagesound ones are used in satellite mode (why you see dishes on the back of stores) which means that they have to be connected to satellite internet for CD decryption. Interesting to see the specs and original OS of one and only you could install Windows on it and try out some games on it, lol!!! It actually never occured to me that you (or anyone) would ever do this 😜 GT610 PCI and RAM upgrade needs to happen 😉
Wow... An always online satellite uplink just to decrypt some muzak... That's quite over the top considering you can just record it from the PCs line-out to make pirated copies.
...why not just stream the actual encrypted music from the damn satellite Internet at that point and factor the physical disc out of the equation entirely?
weird but I was looking at the birds in the background at the beginning of the video, saw a robin and a chaffinch. The CD player seems to be wholly created for purpose so you certainly persevered in getting the awkward little thing working, don't think I have had the patience to do that especially with the performance you got out of it. But an interesting video none the less on PC hardware used for other purposes.
You can tell he's a real one cause he's got the portrait monitor. I feel that heavy. I used to run 9:16 portrait, with 16:9 in the middle and 4:3 on the right, now I do dual 16:9 with the 4:3, and my old pc has a 9:16 and 16:9 combo. Great for researching while typing a paper or something and watching worldstar hiphop videos in fullscreen on a computer
Budget-Builds Official actually I'm yet to see an ARM based CD player. Mostly it's m68k. Maybe nowadays Injenic, which is a copyright-evading MIPS look-alike.
Budget-Builds Official If it was an arm cpu, couldn't you theoretically install Android on to it then game with that? However I feel like trying to get it to boot anything would be either impossible or a complete pain. That is if it is an arm processor.
Oh sorry i misspoke. I meant m68k and injenic in DVD players, not CD players. Brainfart. So well opened up one CD player i had, because i was planning on doing it anyway - the sound is absolutely perfect from the line out, but the headphone out is annoyingly noisy, so i intended to re-engineer that bit. It was a cheap one, ran like that from day one, it's not like anything in it has gone bad or anything, there must be a simple engineering mishap in there, even though i'm not seeing it yet. I expected the processor to be a 8051 or Z80 derivative, because i had seen these in MP3 players before. It's not. The processor IC that i found in it is MLC3100A by Korean MCS Logic, which is described by the manufacturer as "new cutting-edge and high performance RISC-DSP CPU core" (well, would have been new in 2002 when this thing was actually made), which digging more into the company history and their other assorted statements they made about their other ICs, makes it likely to be either ARM7TDMI, the same processor used in Psion5 and Gameboy Advance, with an extra DSP hanging off the side of it, or the ARC core which had been a 16/32 bit RISC-DSP architecture to begin with. That one has an interesting history, it's by a spun off microelectronics division of Argonaut games in France, the first product of which was the Nintendo SuperFX chip! You don't hear much about it, but they have claimed at various points to have licensed out the logic to hundreds of IC companies and that it ended up shipped in hundreds of millions of products. Or it could be something else entirely that Koreans developed on their own. Anyway i don't see much of a way to confirm what it is for certain, as there is no obvious or known way to dump the firmware off the thing.
I can't even think of another channel that would find a CD player made for stores let alone try to use it for gaming. These kinds of unique videos are why I stick around, honestly.
Budget-Builds Official I’m serious, gaming on a CD player is truly “next level” stuff. Though I’m curious why a CD player would have Ethernet? Or does the term CD player have a different meaning in European countries?
These things were sent to shops so that they could play copyrighted media, which would otherwise not be decoded, it's essentially designed to play promos and locked down CDs. I think I said at the beginning of the video what it was for.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial credit where credit is due buddy, amazing knowledge and the way you give alternatives to 400 pound consoles to a system that will run the same games better for 50 quid, can't fault you 🏆
It would be cool to see you do a more in depth video on the stock Debian OS that was included. Maybe to get an idea of how the encryption was used etc etc.
I remember having a CD/DVD Player that comes with a CD full of NES games and 2 controllers to play on the TV. The chinese products of a couple of years ago were impressive hahaha Good video!
Have you tried using the oficial bios dev kits from intel? Almost every intel board from that time used to have a sdk where you can customize the bios and rewrite it with an "special boot mode" (setting a jumper for a few seconds then restarting).
lifehackertips yep, you can run Pac-Man and Tetris clones on a 1981 IBM PC 5150, the early revision "A" with the 1978 dated pre-bugfix version of the 4.77MHz Intel 8088 CPU, with the original MDA monochrome graphics on an orange phosphor monitor and that sweet PC beeper sound. Sorry I don't know what the FPS benchmarks are but they were definitely running at playable framerates - "Tetris" ran amazingly smoothly and "Pac-Man" only had very minor slowdown but that's to be expected for such an intensive game. The video I watched had the PC's RAM upgraded to 512KB though so your mileage may vary with lower amounts of RAM. I also can't remember whether it was running DOS 1.x or if a newer version of DOS had been installed, so again, you may need to upgrade to a newer version of DOS to run those games.
Gargoyle Named Lexington not really. Morrowind roughly requires something like a Pentium III or original Athlon CPU, 128MB of RAM, a GeForce 2 MX 3D graphics card, technically but not typically a Sound Blaster 16 card, and Windows 98. Whereas Doom (1993) only requires an 80486 CPU, 8MB of RAM, a VGA video card, an Adlib card to add the game's music to the PC beeper SFX which would be replaced with the "real" SFX with a Sound Blaster card installed, and IIRC DOS 5.0. Quite a big difference... And that's before you get to the storage. The 486 would only need a floppy drive to install Doom, but the Pentium III or Athlon would need an optical drive to install Morrowind. Morrowind would also require a larger hard drive in the newer machine to copy its files to, etc.
We used to use boxes exactly like this for local backups that would then sync with an offsite service. Identical cases, we had 2 differant models, one with a Via C7 cpu and the other Atom D525... They could handle a max of 2gb of ram. I've actually got the atom model collecting dust in my garage, no clue what to do with it
13 years ago we were going crazy about home theaters and dvd players, they were the must have thing atm, 10 years ago.... You needed to have a dvd player and a big ass Sony Genezi or something like that, big ass multichannel speakers lol. I remember these houses that looked pretty poorly made at my neighborhood, but they all had a nuce quality stereo.
I was so ready to see this motherboard, what type of CPU socket it ran, RAM slots, etc. I've seen a lot of LGA 775 motherboards support Intel Atom processors, was wondering if this was one, does it support other CPU types? Definitely a challenge and definitely right up my alley. Nice video. I hope you're able to do something with this proprietary mess. It would be nice to see if it's salvageable.
This is not a joke. The company is called Xamarin, and they did a pretty monumental job producing a free re-implementation of ECMA-334/335 runtime otherwise known as Microsoft .NET. And no, it's not necessarily THEIR fault the software is crashy and it says to contact them, though the error message is misleading. Microsoft also did a nice thing and open-sourced lots of previously commercial Xamarin code and tools under BSD license.
You need "Sherry". Chell (1.7b for XP) or "PHDGD" drivers ... PHDGD Sapphire made a hell of a difference on my Atom N450 - 3DMark 03 Wings of fury went from slideshow to moving quite well
wasnt there a bunch of voodoo cards available on PCI? also does the RAM slot allow for an upgrade? swap out the spinning rust for an SSD also, this could easily be a decent vintage gaming pc :-)
In general, probably, But that would be if you were using a potato to power an actual system because a potato has electrolytes (i think) and that probably gives it energy; correct me if you want.
I own one of this in the past acting as a router, updating the bios on this mobo is not straight forward, you have to upgrade to certain bios version first before you able to upgrade it to the latest bios
There was a guy who was able to write a Pong clone on a PCM decoder chip of a generic CD player. It was a feat of engineering since that chip is not Turing complete and is not programmable, so he had to reverse-engineer it and then clone a programmable version of it. It was also a challenge because about half of the chip's ROM and processing power went into just communicating with a custom I/O controller, so that the game could be played on a display with additional control buttons.
Best 'off the wall' vid ever!... Yes, a sleeper build, but with one caveat you MUST keep the CD. So a system capable of playing any game which came on a CD which judging from my collection could well have ended at Doom 3 :)
This was fun to watch. I believe there is a small faction of peeps out there that should be able to point you towards the atom overclocking software. Maybe a forced bios update MAY work. Throw more ram and an SSD at it. I do like to see these things struggle playing games... but most of the fun it getting it to do it.
I don't know why you started outside in the snow, you should have done everything inside from the get go. It has expandable Ram, and a PCI slot, so further testing should have been done (with more Ram and a PCI video card).
Have you seen the Voodoo patch for Doom 3? It basically eliminates all shadows and makes the textures super low res, it looks like if Doom 3 got onto the N64 or something. If that could actually be used on this computer, it might allow a playable frame-rate, but probably can't. :P
Thought it probably runs on pretty much anything with 32mb of video, I would have lovee to see how unreal tournament 2004 ran on this. I had a similar struggle to install an os on a motherboard, cup and ram item I got from my local recycling centre for £2, turned out the board was so old it didn't support SSE2, anyway, I got around the failure to boot install media by putting that target drive in another pc, started the install and removed the drive and disk when the install does its first power down before installing drivers. With the target drive and install CD back on the target motherboard, it powered up and continued to install drivers just as normal.
Hey hello there, I really enjoy your videos and i've seen in one of them that it seems you've got a powerMAC, I think it could be fun to make a review of AmigaOS and its variants, it's one of the interesting things you can do if you put your hands on one of these devices, of course that's if the topic interests you...
if you have the right skills with a soldering iron (or a soldering station) you could remove the bios chip from the mobo and use one of those $4 eprom programmers from aliexpress to update the bios. I would love to see this thing upgraded and running at least windows 7
The intel GMA3150 doesnt have hardware T&L. I'm 100% sure about that. There are some modded driver on the internet, but I dont think they fix that, but they sure help on the FPS.
Being honest, I’m a bit jealous^^ there’s just no tech scrap pile or someone who sells the stuff where I live. Anyway, the video is awesome, cause it somehow works (except games from maybe the 90‘s) thumbs up!
I know you have a real life but I really enjoy these videos and wish more came out alot faster than they do now. I understand though, just wanted you to know I do enjoy the vids!
I wish I was able to, but the videos take a lot of time, and I already dedicate all my spare time to making them, as I have studies and a virtually full time job all while doing this. However I do manage to get out 1 large video a week.
I know that micro-atx boards with an onboard atom processor soldered in because I unfortunately had one for a couple of years as my personal computer. Those were sold in Brazil for over $300,00 some years ago(PC, shitty keyboard, monitor and mouse), and you can still find them for sale if you look. Expect prices from $200,00 and over. You can't actually fit a GPU, not even the TOP DOLLAR sold GT610 ($100 in Brazil, new) on those because there are no PCIe expansion slots, just a single PCI slot just in case your onboard network card fails.
TH-cam has left a processing error in the video where the audio loops itself for around 1 second, half way through the video (Nothing Major), you may remember this from the old PS3 Video, where it also happened, hopefully it'll be sorted out by the time the video is processed...If not please enjoy me saying "The Mono Team" Twice.
but it sounds like you said it twice since both sounded different in pitch and speed o.o
Check the description. You wrote 612MB RAM instead of 512Mb RAM.
Very Strange, I certainly didn't record myself saying it, hopefully it's just a processing issue.
Budget-Builds Official I will send you a PCI GPU! I have an old PCI GeForce FX 5200 that absolutely sucks. But it would be a great upgrade from those Intel GMA. Comment back to me if you want more info!
Budget-Builds Official BTW I have a PCI GT 610...
I gotta say that that's an overkill machine for playing CDs.
not when the CDs have encrypted files on them
RWL2012 and that of course, the extra performance isn't really a waste since it doesn't pull too much power.
CD players usually would have a ARM CPU and Linux and no ports for monitors and stuff
Lol, CD players don't have anything like that. Modern ones have a DSP, 4 bit, 3 MHz microcontroller, a tiny amount of SRAM (64K or less) and that's it.
i dunno, try running itunes on somthing of such low spec... Spoiler: you gonna have a bad time
Next can you try Gaming on a 17 year old toaster
ThePyrofessional yeah!
Gaming on a WW2 era iron lung is probably coming soon
try a torture chamber from the medival ages
Yes
Apparently at the boot fair there was a 2.2 billion year old piece of grass for 0.27£. Some say it can run Crysis 2
I give you props for having the patience to even mess with this “CD Player” great video 👍
Hey
Horizon Gamers what up bro
Use something like this for long enough and eventually you'll be granted infinite patience with even the worst of computer performance. After having a Samsung NC10 (1gb of ram and a Atom N270 that failed to beat a pentium 4 with downclocked GMA 950 and a 25mb/s 80gb HDD) as my only computer for 6 years (2009-2015), I've gained the ability to even see 320x200 @ 10fps as enjoyable. So I guess there is a saving grace to this sort of performance and having the patience to deal with it
I found 15-20 fps acceptable for ages. But this was off the back of not having had a PC at all for close to half a decade, and being old enough to know a period where 3d games didn't just consider 12 fps ''acceptable', but actually considered it the target for an optimum, best-case type experience.
We've come a long way since then.
On the other hand I still mess with a computer first sold in 1979, so... ehh.
massive respect that you managed to get windows installed on something that is actively trying not to get formatted.
Hey, shoving the wrong os onto devices is a tradition as old as, well, devices and operating systems.
@@curvingfyre6810 true, but doesn't make it less impressive.
This thing is so odd... I need one. Great video Hamish!
I have lots of these as Check Outs on my work.
My old work had one of these for 5 years, we received update playlist CDs every season, also twice in 5 years had upgrade disks sent. When the supplier went under new company, owned by a former Radio 1 DJ, replaced that massive box with a glasses case sized box that had audio connector to our speaker system and Lan connector to our intranet, have been steaming shop Music for at least 8 years now.
Mark Wintle
Meant for Royalties, legal sound in store and non private environments, he needs documentation, hahahahaha........
Do a Royalties museum, remember how we did that in 1995? any people need to see that museum? or know what royalties are?
lucas rem Yep, lower PRS fees meant 6 months after first getting player they sent disks out to replace original artists recordings we'd enjoyed with God awful cover versions I've never had so many customers complain as much as when that happened.
Mark Wintle
i did work in the industry, we used systems as this, Arcade, UK market too, all over Europe. Arcade CD's you must remember, smash TV hits and may more....
i did all their internet 1993 business.....not that hard, BBS level.... Needed to travel a lot to setup that network for them to run their business....Corporate people all knew that the needed active data for Hit Top 40 lists, a fun job it was, internet back then was still fun and text.
A&R people never needed to know how records were selling, only interesting in if the school youth like the records, the downtown clubs. Guess we all knew this was fake, 1980 Hit charges were not as real as sales did in shops, needing more time to count how many were sold for real....
just as a sidenote, Morrowind was actually released in 2002, not 2000.
I will be sure to correct that.
I remember. "To be released" 1999 :D
That is really cool, it is basically a desktop that has specs from an old phone or as you said the original Xbox. Cool but not practical at all. :)
Klexco much higher CPU and RAM than the original Xbox but with a much weaker GPU.
Weaker doesn't even descibe it. Those Intel GMA were hardly usable for multimedia, don't even think about gaming. I got a setup from around 2000/2001 that runs the games just as good.
i think it can run cs 1.6
its got more than enough power to run 1.6
any pc can run cs 1.6
Ja mislim da može pokrenuti i nešto više...
Yeah, it can, but not great!
what do you mean not great lol the original halflife ran on a 233mhz pentium 2 with 32mb of ram, i played on a 500mhz amd athlon and had 64megs of ram and it ran half life great, that crappy pc is still more powerful than those.
Your videos is so entertaining and fun to watch this channel is an hidden gem of the youtube community i wish u the best of luck in the future
4:21 'I have no idea what the password could be...' XD
throw 2gb of ram in it and gt 610 for a later vid
Gladly, if I can find a PCI GT610.
Even a GT 610 would likely be severely bottlenecked by the CPU and PCI slot, so it would be interesting. You might also consider the PCI GT 520.
Devin Hepburn I was going to suggest that myself, but I'll throw in booting 32bit Mint XFCE as it can install drivers for Nvidia fairly easy, and STEAM can run on Mint XFCE at least 64bit Mint XFCE, I've not tried it on 32bit, but would make for interesting video, as I'm honestly tired of TH-camrs defaulting to older versions of Windows on these older machines.
@Krypto A.D.L: the GT520 was rebranded into the GT610.
@@adwaitagnome I had a GT610 previously on a system with a Core i3 3220 and 4gb RAM(I recently upgraded the system to 8GB RAM and a GTX1650). The GPU severely bottlenecked the GPU for any gaming and, when rendering in Blender using Cycles, the CPU was actually four times faster than the GPU despite it having 48 CUDA cores. The only purpose of this graphics card is to be an HDMI adapter.
Dude! You should definitely go for gt 610. It would be really entertaining. I can already see the title: Can a 5 quid CD player benefit from having a dedicated GPU?
Or something like: Should you upgrade a CD player by adding a gt 610? Is it worth it?
Yedige Moldagaliyev yes!!!
The PCI version of the GT 610 is extremely hard to get these days.
SinikkaL really? Used market in my country is flooded by those 610's. I can buy one right now, but sending it to the UK to Mr. Budget Biulds's door is not an easy task.
I think even that gpu would be overkill for this cpu & ram combo
Those PCI GT610 go for around 30-40€ here for the passive models and starting at around 45€ for actively cooled ones.
Can this be bought from anywhere else?
In what sense, this specific unit probably won't. But there are plenty of similar systems used over the last decade.
No lol. The production is discontinued.
get "fresh" debian (likely) CLI installed.
proceed to uninstall and install windows instead.
Savage level : 100000000000
Windows was installed to another HDD, so I still have Debian available.
Budget-Builds Official so you could swap the HDD back should you want to listen to some Caffe Nero Jazz...? :-P
Yes
Budget-Builds Official great, we should always stay geek lol
we need the low spec gamer to take a look at this
Knowing him he would get Crysis to run on it
yeah lol
Never even seen one of these...like why did it exist!? lol
Probably used for shop music or the displays you see with offers and prices, etc.
cheap media centers.
That was my thought...
Literally every store that plays music over the pa system used one of these machines. A lot of companies still do.
A store i worked in used a 5th gen ipod nano plugged into the PA system with and aux cable for music so not every store used them.
t h e m o n o t e a m
NO YOU SAID IT WRONG ITS *t h e m o n o t e a m*
SimpleGaming I prefer with ascetic scaling to make sense
The "mono" team is the owners of the mono project. The project that ports .net to linux. They exist.
The "mono" team is the owners of the mono project. The project that ports .net to linux. They exist.
The Halo version was like the kids version. "Pew pew, you're dead!" "Argh! I'm a grunt and I got shot to death." ...These are some hardcore kids.
Imagesound and Mood Media boxes are actually still used in many chain stores. A lot of these Imagesound ones are used in satellite mode (why you see dishes on the back of stores) which means that they have to be connected to satellite internet for CD decryption. Interesting to see the specs and original OS of one and only you could install Windows on it and try out some games on it, lol!!! It actually never occured to me that you (or anyone) would ever do this 😜 GT610 PCI and RAM upgrade needs to happen 😉
*or GT 520 PCI or HD 3450 PCI or HD 5450 PCI :-P
**or 6200 PCI or 8400 GS PCI or GT 530 PCI (if it exists)
Wow... An always online satellite uplink just to decrypt some muzak... That's quite over the top considering you can just record it from the PCs line-out to make pirated copies.
BinaryCounter yep, and i used to speak with someone who "may have" actually done that (for some reason).
...why not just stream the actual encrypted music from the damn satellite Internet at that point and factor the physical disc out of the equation entirely?
Can you install windows 10 on my grandpa's gramophone.....?
maybe...
Maybe Windows 2000
weird but I was looking at the birds in the background at the beginning of the video, saw a robin and a chaffinch. The CD player seems to be wholly created for purpose so you certainly persevered in getting the awkward little thing working, don't think I have had the patience to do that especially with the performance you got out of it. But an interesting video none the less on PC hardware used for other purposes.
You can tell he's a real one cause he's got the portrait monitor.
I feel that heavy. I used to run 9:16 portrait, with 16:9 in the middle and 4:3 on the right, now I do dual 16:9 with the 4:3, and my old pc has a 9:16 and 16:9 combo.
Great for researching while typing a paper or something and watching worldstar hiphop videos in fullscreen on a computer
for a sec I though it would be about the games on dvds that were mostly fmvs but saved some stuff about what you were doing
This runs better than my $700 CD player...
I’m guessing because yours isn’t a PC...? :-P
I just want to know how you were able to boot windows on a CD player at all. I can't even boot retropie on a portable DVD player.
This has a x86 CPU, you likely have an ARM CPU at best in a Portable CDPlayer, very different.
Budget-Builds Official actually I'm yet to see an ARM based CD player. Mostly it's m68k. Maybe nowadays Injenic, which is a copyright-evading MIPS look-alike.
Budget-Builds Official If it was an arm cpu, couldn't you theoretically install Android on to it then game with that? However I feel like trying to get it to boot anything would be either impossible or a complete pain. That is if it is an arm processor.
Siana Gearz However it being a DVD player, so it might need a slightly more powerful processor than the average CD player.
Oh sorry i misspoke. I meant m68k and injenic in DVD players, not CD players. Brainfart.
So well opened up one CD player i had, because i was planning on doing it anyway - the sound is absolutely perfect from the line out, but the headphone out is annoyingly noisy, so i intended to re-engineer that bit. It was a cheap one, ran like that from day one, it's not like anything in it has gone bad or anything, there must be a simple engineering mishap in there, even though i'm not seeing it yet.
I expected the processor to be a 8051 or Z80 derivative, because i had seen these in MP3 players before. It's not. The processor IC that i found in it is MLC3100A by Korean MCS Logic, which is described by the manufacturer as "new cutting-edge and high performance RISC-DSP CPU core" (well, would have been new in 2002 when this thing was actually made), which digging more into the company history and their other assorted statements they made about their other ICs, makes it likely to be either ARM7TDMI, the same processor used in Psion5 and Gameboy Advance, with an extra DSP hanging off the side of it, or the ARC core which had been a 16/32 bit RISC-DSP architecture to begin with. That one has an interesting history, it's by a spun off microelectronics division of Argonaut games in France, the first product of which was the Nintendo SuperFX chip! You don't hear much about it, but they have claimed at various points to have licensed out the logic to hundreds of IC companies and that it ended up shipped in hundreds of millions of products. Or it could be something else entirely that Koreans developed on their own. Anyway i don't see much of a way to confirm what it is for certain, as there is no obvious or known way to dump the firmware off the thing.
I can't even think of another channel that would find a CD player made for stores let alone try to use it for gaming. These kinds of unique videos are why I stick around, honestly.
Wtf. This is some next level stuff.
It took far too long to make this video.
Budget-Builds Official I’m serious, gaming on a CD player is truly “next level” stuff. Though I’m curious why a CD player would have Ethernet? Or does the term CD player have a different meaning in European countries?
These things were sent to shops so that they could play copyrighted media, which would otherwise not be decoded, it's essentially designed to play promos and locked down CDs. I think I said at the beginning of the video what it was for.
I legit thought he was gonna play doom on that tiny screen on the front of the cd player
Your computing skills are unreal learnt so much from your videos!!!!
Cheers man. Nice to hear something positive.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial credit where credit is due buddy, amazing knowledge and the way you give alternatives to 400 pound consoles to a system that will run the same games better for 50 quid, can't fault you 🏆
Happy 80 000 Subs MAN!! Also, it's cool (no pun intended) that you get snow every year, in South Africa, 2CM of snow fall once every 7 years!
Cheers man.
Razor MAN not every year... this is the first snowfall I’ve seen since I was 4.
I got to miss school that day
Every 7 years.
I saw it in 2007 and 2014.
i love this channel tbh keep up and i like ur narrator's accent XD
o he's back. nice video man
thomas kelly ou are still alive yay
Never failing to please with your videos man
3:11 why is it when i see the microphone i think it's wearing a toupee
This is my new favorite channel by far.
"Can we GAME on a £5/$7 CD Player from 10 Years ago? "
I thought you meant the original playstation
It would be cool to see you do a more in depth video on the stock Debian OS that was included. Maybe to get an idea of how the encryption was used etc etc.
0:56
RAM: 512MB DDR2 RAM
*[666 Mhz]*
I remember having a CD/DVD Player that comes with a CD full of NES games and 2 controllers to play on the TV. The chinese products of a couple of years ago were impressive hahaha
Good video!
How do you play Halo CE?
Got mine on a Disc.
Sentlee download it my dude
How do you get it on disc?
Halo had a PC release dude, just buy it and install it.
They have a few PC releases actually. also Halo 2 was made for PC and recently Halo 5: Forge
One of my favorite videos you've done
I have never heard anyone say 'Debian' like that...
I think its the British Accent.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial i think it's more than just a British accent
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial Deb-i-an :)
I love your vids man. Gaming on a cd player is weirdly such a cool thing to see.
can you put a low profile gpu in it?
If its PCI
Budget-Builds Official sooo will u try it? ;)
If I can find one.
Budget-Builds Official YAY
Have you tried using the oficial bios dev kits from intel? Almost every intel board from that time used to have a sdk where you can customize the bios and rewrite it with an "special boot mode" (setting a jumper for a few seconds then restarting).
You can game on any pc if you get a old enough game
lifehackertips yep, you can run Pac-Man and Tetris clones on a 1981 IBM PC 5150, the early revision "A" with the 1978 dated pre-bugfix version of the 4.77MHz Intel 8088 CPU, with the original MDA monochrome graphics on an orange phosphor monitor and that sweet PC beeper sound. Sorry I don't know what the FPS benchmarks are but they were definitely running at playable framerates - "Tetris" ran amazingly smoothly and "Pac-Man" only had very minor slowdown but that's to be expected for such an intensive game. The video I watched had the PC's RAM upgraded to 512KB though so your mileage may vary with lower amounts of RAM. I also can't remember whether it was running DOS 1.x or if a newer version of DOS had been installed, so again, you may need to upgrade to a newer version of DOS to run those games.
Awesome video as always. You should do a video on building the cheapest (but decent) gaming pc. It would be cool to see what you can come up with.
Morrowind is basically Doom 1993 in terms of just how easy it is to run.
Gargoyle Named Lexington not really. Morrowind roughly requires something like a Pentium III or original Athlon CPU, 128MB of RAM, a GeForce 2 MX 3D graphics card, technically but not typically a Sound Blaster 16 card, and Windows 98. Whereas Doom (1993) only requires an 80486 CPU, 8MB of RAM, a VGA video card, an Adlib card to add the game's music to the PC beeper SFX which would be replaced with the "real" SFX with a Sound Blaster card installed, and IIRC DOS 5.0. Quite a big difference... And that's before you get to the storage. The 486 would only need a floppy drive to install Doom, but the Pentium III or Athlon would need an optical drive to install Morrowind. Morrowind would also require a larger hard drive in the newer machine to copy its files to, etc.
We used to use boxes exactly like this for local backups that would then sync with an offsite service. Identical cases, we had 2 differant models, one with a Via C7 cpu and the other Atom D525... They could handle a max of 2gb of ram. I've actually got the atom model collecting dust in my garage, no clue what to do with it
Erik Beriault if you got pictures, and it works. I’ll buy it from you...
@@jackwalker7852 eberiault@gmail.com, email me
small correction: de-bee-an, not de-by-an. great video btw!
This reminds me of LGR's video on the airport mini PC thing. Really neat, great case for an ITX build, too. Great find.
the title is hilarious
13 years ago we were going crazy about home theaters and dvd players, they were the must have thing atm, 10 years ago.... You needed to have a dvd player and a big ass Sony Genezi or something like that, big ass multichannel speakers lol.
I remember these houses that looked pretty poorly made at my neighborhood, but they all had a nuce quality stereo.
duh-bye-ahn? xD It's Deh-bee-anne (Debian)
I was so ready to see this motherboard, what type of CPU socket it ran, RAM slots, etc. I've seen a lot of LGA 775 motherboards support Intel Atom processors, was wondering if this was one, does it support other CPU types? Definitely a challenge and definitely right up my alley. Nice video. I hope you're able to do something with this proprietary mess. It would be nice to see if it's salvageable.
Linux media center system would've been the best way to utilize this system with stock hardware IMO.
How did you have the patience for this, Nonetheless this was so interesting because these were everywhere growing up. :)
Yes, the Mono team exists and is currently employed by Microsoft.
This is not a joke. The company is called Xamarin, and they did a pretty monumental job producing a free re-implementation of ECMA-334/335 runtime otherwise known as Microsoft .NET. And no, it's not necessarily THEIR fault the software is crashy and it says to contact them, though the error message is misleading. Microsoft also did a nice thing and open-sourced lots of previously commercial Xamarin code and tools under BSD license.
You need "Sherry". Chell (1.7b for XP) or "PHDGD" drivers ... PHDGD Sapphire made a hell of a difference on my Atom N450 - 3DMark 03 Wings of fury went from slideshow to moving quite well
Now game on a VHS player
wasnt there a bunch of voodoo cards available on PCI? also does the RAM slot allow for an upgrade? swap out the spinning rust for an SSD also, this could easily be a decent vintage gaming pc :-)
But can you game on a *Potato?*
No because it doesn't have a system.
GN10Gaming - And more! It still have power
In general, probably, But that would be if you were using a potato to power an actual system because a potato has electrolytes (i think) and that probably gives it energy; correct me if you want.
Bro, LMAO, I love how you treat your equipment, and how you always show things dripping wet or in the snow in this case.
Can you game on a 40 year old record player
betarage of coarse we can easily get 1000+ FPS at 4k while playing any triple a title like crysis3
Yea if you manage to put Windows on record.
Nejsem tvuj tata! Nope no need to install windows I tried it myself it worked
Yes but requires extra hardware such as one of those 'ZX Spectrum' thingies.
Knuckles the Echidna nope no additional hardware required if u belong to illuminati
This made my day. I like your video's really much. This the only channel that I comment on. XD
Cheers man
Wanted to see minecraft on this
Been loving your videos recently. Keep them up!
Now I can play my minecraft parodies perfectly fine
huge shout-out to the robin in the background hahaha
great video dude
Nice man
I own one of this in the past acting as a router, updating the bios on this mobo is not straight forward, you have to upgrade to certain bios version first before you able to upgrade it to the latest bios
Trash Mac video please!
That's pretty badass hardware for just a CD player.
There was a guy who was able to write a Pong clone on a PCM decoder chip of a generic CD player. It was a feat of engineering since that chip is not Turing complete and is not programmable, so he had to reverse-engineer it and then clone a programmable version of it. It was also a challenge because about half of the chip's ROM and processing power went into just communicating with a custom I/O controller, so that the game could be played on a display with additional control buttons.
Best 'off the wall' vid ever!... Yes, a sleeper build, but with one caveat you MUST keep the CD. So a system capable of playing any game which came on a CD which judging from my collection could well have ended at Doom 3 :)
This was fun to watch. I believe there is a small faction of peeps out there that should be able to point you towards the atom overclocking software. Maybe a forced bios update MAY work.
Throw more ram and an SSD at it.
I do like to see these things struggle playing games... but most of the fun it getting it to do it.
I don't know why you started outside in the snow, you should have done everything inside from the get go.
It has expandable Ram, and a PCI slot, so further testing should have been done (with more Ram and a PCI video card).
Have you seen the Voodoo patch for Doom 3? It basically eliminates all shadows and makes the textures super low res, it looks like if Doom 3 got onto the N64 or something. If that could actually be used on this computer, it might allow a playable frame-rate, but probably can't. :P
Thought it probably runs on pretty much anything with 32mb of video, I would have lovee to see how unreal tournament 2004 ran on this.
I had a similar struggle to install an os on a motherboard, cup and ram item I got from my local recycling centre for £2, turned out the board was so old it didn't support SSE2, anyway, I got around the failure to boot install media by putting that target drive in another pc, started the install and removed the drive and disk when the install does its first power down before installing drivers. With the target drive and install CD back on the target motherboard, it powered up and continued to install drivers just as normal.
Hey hello there, I really enjoy your videos and i've seen in one of them that it seems you've got a powerMAC, I think it could be fun to make a review of AmigaOS and its variants, it's one of the interesting things you can do if you put your hands on one of these devices, of course that's if the topic interests you...
The Powermac needs repairing unfortunately.
Never expected playing game with CD player. Great video. :)
if you have the right skills with a soldering iron (or a soldering station) you could remove the bios chip from the mobo and use one of those $4 eprom programmers from aliexpress to update the bios. I would love to see this thing upgraded and running at least windows 7
The intel GMA3150 doesnt have hardware T&L. I'm 100% sure about that.
There are some modded driver on the internet, but I dont think they fix that, but they sure help on the FPS.
Great video! According to the Intel Ark page on this CPU, the maximum supported ram is 4gb.
I actually can't believe you managed to turn a CD player into a computer.
It's a bit like you know magic.
Finally believe it or not I've been looking for a video like this for years
I wish you had tested old valve games like ricochet, half life 1 or cs 1.6
Very impressive for a simple £5 cd player
Have you thought of doing a build with the CD player changing the components over making it better you should do this for a video
Being honest, I’m a bit jealous^^ there’s just no tech scrap pile or someone who sells the stuff where I live. Anyway, the video is awesome, cause it somehow works (except games from maybe the 90‘s) thumbs up!
5:05 I have that exact same guitar lmao did you get it from argos too?
Bought it for £10 off a friend.
great video! would have loved to see it run HL1, and maybe bumping up the ram :)
luv you bby! Keep up the good work! I hope you're enjoying the snow!!
I recommend using modded (ex: chell) drivers on these machines. fixes hl2 ,far cry performance+gfx problems
1:35 Hello there little Robin in the background.
I know you have a real life but I really enjoy these videos and wish more came out alot faster than they do now. I understand though, just wanted you to know I do enjoy the vids!
I wish I was able to, but the videos take a lot of time, and I already dedicate all my spare time to making them, as I have studies and a virtually full time job all while doing this. However I do manage to get out 1 large video a week.
I was gonna make a "but can it run Crysis" joke but you beat me to it
Thanks for crushing my hopes and dreams
What about turning that case into a sleeper build? That would be pretty neat.
I know that micro-atx boards with an onboard atom processor soldered in because I unfortunately had one for a couple of years as my personal computer. Those were sold in Brazil for over $300,00 some years ago(PC, shitty keyboard, monitor and mouse), and you can still find them for sale if you look. Expect prices from $200,00 and over. You can't actually fit a GPU, not even the TOP DOLLAR sold GT610 ($100 in Brazil, new) on those because there are no PCIe expansion slots, just a single PCI slot just in case your onboard network card fails.
Haven’t been to the channel in ages and your over 100k, well done dude, love the videos 🤷🏻♂️😋