+SerBallister a shader unit is not a mapping unit! A gtx1080 "only" has 160 mapping units. A shader unit is essentially a very small processor which can execute arbitrary shader code, while a shader map does nothing more then warp a texture so it can be mapped to a polygon.
While not deserving being called "extreme", it's definitely not that bad. He clearly has a performance issue. The processor is 266MHz faster in this video, but it can't be only that : th-cam.com/video/KektuzPKktQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cYItHCLMJxk_hBV4&t=1477
A large factor in Unreal's poor performance here was that this graphics chip would force you into using the infamous Direct3D renderer without modifying the game. To give you an idea of its performance, on my personal retro machine; a Pentium III 866 MHz, and a GeForce 4 Ti 4600 on the 45.23 driver, I would fairly frequently get dips below 20 fps in hectic battles even if I set the resolution to 640x480--but I never tested with lower settings than max because I felt that I shouldn't _need_ to lower settings with my overkill hardware. Oddly resolution barely helps (or hurts) at all with that renderer. (I ended up using an unofficial opengl 3.0 renderer that was _waaay_ better). The game was built to use either the software renderer or the Glide renderer, but software would not really reflect as a benchmark on this chip's performance (even though it would probably run _better_ at low resolutions), and this chip can't use the Glide API so Direct3D was the logical choice here.
While Glide was rad and 3dfx pioneered so many concepts with it (among other things), I disagree about being behind; we live in a great time for APIs imo when you have an open-source API like Vulkan that is getting actually decent support, and can go toe-to-toe or sometimes perform outright _better_ than Microsoft's best low-level efforts. (And DX11 or Opengl are fine widely-supported fallbacks if you just need something that works for a simple project.)
A workaround is an OpenGL wrapper. Got Unreal Gold and installed in PlayOnLinux with a Geforce 6150 (integrated and nouveau driver) and later an AMD Radeon HD 4350 and almost no issues at D3D.
It is! I had a crappy x550 and it did laps on the crappy i915 i had on the mobo. And it also wasnt full of missing textures and glitches. Even the drivers were crap.
@Order66 i had the 256mb 8600GT lol. 1024x768 medium was playable at the beginning with 30fps average. On the final level had to drop to 800x600 Low and still got like 10fps lmao
I went from a single core 1.8 ghz system with a 6200A to a dual core 3.1 ghz with a 9800GT bought with self earned money from my side job delivering newspapers back in 2008. It felt amazing!
I've actually done this, it's a pretty fun idea for a video. Not spoiling, but if you want an extreme bottleneck, the best AMD mobo with AGP slot is the Asus A8V Deluxe (supports Dual Athlon FX of socket 939) (loved by me and Phil from Phil's computer lab) or the Biostar K8M800 Micro AM2 (really shitty mobo, but to my knowledge, the only AGP mobo with AM2 CPU support and DDR2 RAM), good luck.
Janghan Hong the a8v deluxe is a terrible motherboard. I picked one up because it was one of the few left to support my orphaned Opteron 185, and all it did was corrupt the install within minutes of installing the accursed VIA chipset drivers.
VIA makes some of the best 9x chipset drivers, I don't know what use case you had.Get the normie socket 939 with a PCIE slot if you aren't planning to use it with AGP card and Windows 9x
yeah, forget what I said, that's the best AGP mobo by far, it's got Nvidia chipset too, which makes this a full RGB retro build with just CPU, mobo, and "GPU".
I'm overly obsessed with old hardware and old processors, so I love these kinds of videos, so much so I replicated the Scott CPU ("How a CPU Works" video, just search it if you're interested.) in the Lua programming language, except mine ran at 200Mhz after special compilation processes in which I compiled it down to a barebones assembly program.
Paul Frederick Thats because they used leaded solder. Since the EU's RoHS program forbade lead in any household appliance, all solder is now lead-free, which lead to more failures of solder points. Without doubt, leaded solder was superior in every way
I don't know why intel decided to make a gpu almost purposely bad, if theyre going to make something, do it well, seems to match their marketing today, over hype for something not as good as they say
@@nightcorevampire9169 Not all PCs are game rigs, dude. These setups were intended for general use - word processors, web browsing, watching video, and so on. They had SOME meager game capability, but anyone wanting to run really graphics-intensive stuff pretty much knew onboard graphics were not up to snuff, and you'd need an add-in board. When I built machines back in the 90s and early 2000s, boards with integrated graphics were the ticket to selling more-or-less modern computers at a competitive price (while still maintaining something of a profit margin) - and if the custy wanted game capability, an add-in card was the 'upgrade path' (along with a slightly better-spec CPU, some more memory, and a bump to a larger, faster hard drive).
The funny part is that my "gaming" pc has a 4mb onboard pci graphics chip and it doesnt even have 3d acceleration and it can do just as much as those intel igpus xD (Btw its a 200mhz pentiun mmx if you are wondering)
I had one of those back when they were new. Kept if for a week and returned it for an S3 Virge card which was much better for what I needed at the time (re: not playing games). The i740 was the worst graphics card I ever owned.
This was my first "GPU" ever, in my first ever PC. The board I had was IIRC a Packard Bell rebranded GA6WMM7. It didn't even have an AGP port, I was stuck with the i810 for a few years during high school. It could run the first CS, and I remember playing the first Soldier of Fortune on it, but almost completely without textures. Beat that game, too, but to this day I have no idea if it had good visuals or not :D
I have Intel Extreme Graphics 2 in an HP d530. It runs half-life(cd version) in 720p smoothly without a drop. Works perfecty with a 1440x900 monitor and Windows XP.
The PC cafe I frequented in 1999 had i740s installed on the PCs and it was quite capable of running games of that period. I mostly ran Half-Life mods (Counter-Strike Beta anyone?!?) and Quake 3 Arena with my friends and also some single-player focused games. (Homeworld ran not bad...)
Earliest motherboard you can get with PCI Express is Socket 939, so you could do a low power Athlon 64 or Sempron... those boards use regular DDR so you could use a 64MB stick and have that be an even bigger bottleneck than the CPU, needing at that point a miniscule commandline Linux or BSD and games you can launch from a tty...
This is cool, I just got a laptop with a Rage M1 mobillity chip looking forward to seeing what it can do, I remeber when I had my Q6600 system last year it had a Intel express fmaily chipset or something for its graphgics and I was really curious to see what Intle graphics were like before the main "Intel HD graphics" we all know these days
This card was good back in the day compared to competitors prices. I really enjoyed my i740 pci card back in the day. Nice video brings back good memories. Thanks.
The i752 was basically an improved i740, which was from back in the days when you were upgrading from like...a S3 Virge DX. The i740 was literally the very first AGP gpu ever on the market. The PCI cards were actually pretty good and had great image quality, just not terribly fast. We had a few successful UT2003 lan parties on some i810 graphics systems...on like 640x480 ultra low settings back in the day. 😂
The i740 was created to be the reference design for AGP Texturing(the usefulness of AGP Texuring was only ever really shown to be in synthetic benchmarks, as games tried to avoid texture thrashing and extremely poor performance on older cards like voodoo2's that could otherwise perform really well).The 16 bit color looked bad but if it had 32bit it would have been way too slow
I'm actually curious to see how well it'd compare to the Rivz 128ZX. Apparently its lacking some of the original 128's flaws, not that it performs well regardless.
Señor Dossier [Retro reviews, Coleccionismo & más] Sis was crap but whats the difference when the drivers were crap anywyas? I couldnt run most of my games on mine (i915). They would crash, or have missing textures or glitches moat of the times. And even low end card from ati or nvidia would do laps on it.
Now put this igpu in a fight with my 845G chipset igpu! >:) Also you should try getting the best PCI gpu possible cause It would be really cool to see how much the PCI slot would limit the card. :)
i810/815 vs 845G? Both support DX6 in hardware and got support for Vertex Shader 3.0 in software. The 845 got double the pipes and can benefit from DDR-266 memory. So yes, there is actually something slower than old Intel integrated graphics. To name it, even worse Intel integrated graphics :D On the other hand 845G theoretically offers support all the way up to very, very fast Northwood chips with HT....
Crazy enough, I just found a Compaq DeskPro from 1999 that has that exact chip. The craziest part is since my parents never used it it sat for 20 years without me or them knowing! And on top of that it boot right up! after 20 years
I have tested some time ago this iGPU (but the 810-DC100 one) in a Compaq Deskpro EN C500 with a 500mhz Celeron Mendocino the pirated version of Half-Life Opposing Force . It only ran in D3D mode at very low (but playeable) FPS. Fact: The first 810 ones can't run a PIII , it haves a incompatibility with SSE Instructions . This was fixed in Rev.A2 of the chipset , That Compaq PC had the older revision
An i810 based motherboard would probably be a killer DOS gaming machine. I have a mini-ITX i810 board with no graphics slots. Good candidate for a custom DOS mini-PC.
I had used my old P3 system with Intel 810E as my only system till 2011. Now it lies as a retro gaming PC. But I share many old memories with it. So, I kept it. I had 64MB RAM and Windows 98 which I later dual booted with Windows XP.
yeah, I have the Intel 845 "Extreme" chip in a few older computers, I absolutely hate not being able to get an AGP card, the boards didn't even come with AGP slots, just 3 PCI ones. Its extremely annoying trying to find a decent card for an ok price.
Remember having a friend with such a board. The fastest cards for PCI will be a Geforce GT 430 or GT 520/610, Zotac built some bit they are rare and expensive today. Then there are some GT 9400, 8400 GS and HD 5450 for PCI, and of course the dreadful FX 5200. Except for the later all of them. Even PCIe 1x will be way faster on them and they're beat by cards sometimes 5 years older. This are good examples about those: th-cam.com/video/yNEge5r6-mg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/LBgEW5cZ_9o/w-d-xo.html
I am pretty worse than that. My board has a shitty trident 3d blade, and donr have any agp. At least in your case you can run something without the pci card. But anyways, do you know a good pci card for retro gaming ?
Miguel Que The problem is that i cant seem to find these in my country for sale, only the pciex versions or the agp ones. Is there a very popular one that has a decent performance? I wanted two of these pci: One of the win98/2k/xp era for 98 and xp retrograming And a much newer one for pushing a old athlon xp system to its maximum limit, maxing out the processor to a 2.8ghz athlon, 2gb of ddr1 ram 400mhz, and the best vga i could get, but the system dont have a agp slot, only pci. Yeah, i have 2 motherboards that dont have agp and i will do some projects with them.
Ah, integrated cards. When my 8800GT died back at some point in early 2010, I spent a few months gaming on my mytherboard's integrated 7000 series Nvidia card (don't remember anymore if it was a 7050 or 7100 or what, but certainly not above 7100). Then, a few months after I plugged in a brand new GST 250, my motherboard and CPU both brailed out, and, lazy bum that I am, I spent the next 2-3 years gaming on a laptop with an intel 4500mhd chip. So many really old and indie games played in those days ... good times!
I have a IBM p3 pc that I found in a rain gutter completely submerged. Pulled it out, pulled it apart, let it all dry in the sun with fans blowing air across, put it all together, and it works. It was under the ground until a big storm revealed it
I... I mean I wasn't expecting much and I was kinda surprised, provided you knew what this could run you could have fun with this thing to tide you over to a new computer. Quake, Doom, Civ 2/3, some older DOS games, you'd be behind but I'd imagine somebody could springboard off of this to save up for say a PS2 or something.
I mean, the fact it actually ran the games that where launched from around the same year as the GPU already makes it way better than the newer Intel iGPU, smh
I remember when I got Q3A and I didn't have a good enough graphics card to play it. It refused to even boot on our Voodoo 2 (I think). It demanded at least Voodoo 3 and that was a really expensive card. Or that's what my brother told me at least...
Cyrix were first with an iGPU I think in 1997. The Cyrix Media GX has integrated video and audio processing in the CPU package itself. I didn't even know about it at the time.
Games which have some 3D include these: carmageddon, baldurs gate 2, nightmare-creatures, resident-evil, 7th-guest, deus-ex (software-mode). Running an AmigaOS might have some better written versions of games (hexen2, quake, wipeout, etc).
I used a i740 and it was fantastic..... with a voodoo 2 add on. The world of 3D and gaming was very different then as most 3D games had a software mode so you didn't need a 3D card, give me a big trinitron CRT monitor with my setup and I was the most envied gamer in my suburb.
Oh, this brings me back. the first PC I purchased was an HP pavilion 6835 with intel 810 and celeron 800, 128mb ram, and 30gb HD. Windows ME. back in fall 2001. I gamed the hell out of that unit. ignorance is bliss, they say, but I never knew any better. star craft brood war, doom and doom II, test drive 5 and test drive 6. It was good times. was this referred to as the original 'extreme graphics? I know the 865g had the "extreme graphics 2" moniker (nvm, you mentioned it at the 4 minute mark). The mpeg 2 decoding is real on the i810. I tested it in 2007 with the HP 6835, at that point long replaced and collecting dust. It required an old copy of power DVD, but I was surprised that the celeron 800 could do it with only 50% usage for DVD playback. without the hardware decoding enabled it would stutter. That HP 6835 lives on to this day, the case at least, now sporting an HP ITX board housing a baytrail celeron J1850, 4gb Low volt laptop ddr3 ram, and a 120gb ssd, on linux mint. I use it for office use only now.
My first new DIY PC was based on an ASUS i810 motherboard w/ Celeron 300A oc 508 which just feel like yesterday. Using that paired with two Voodoo2 12MB did give me a good time. Seeing those useless AMR slot is just funny, I've never see anything based on that slot on the retail market.
Now theres a classic game Fallout 2, along with Grim Fandango. Theres a lot of the older games that you young lot need to have a look at. Well this shows what older tech is capable of.
UKVamp Undead couldn’t agree more with you about the older games. They will always have a legendary status and cult following that is seldom seen now in modern gaming.
I had to stick with that gpu for a few months back in the day... It wasn't all that terrible, I could play Quake3 and watch divx. DirectX5+ games wouldn't even load xD
I think I had this on my first ever Windows XP PC. I just remember how it was terrible to use, and most of the games refused to even start up. I still have that motherboard around, but something is wrong with it, since I can't get any "sound" from it. But yeah, still fires up and works after all those years.
I bought a laptop for 1000€ and it barely rung fortnite in all low settings 600p with an averege of 40fps and in build battles it goes bellow 30. It has and intel core i7 7th gen, 16 gigabytes of ddr4 ram, intel hd graphics and amd radeon R7 445
I am assembling a retro pc i got the motherboard, 866mhz p3 processor , 512 mb ram , psu for 3 $ at a local market its working . But my question is should i buy a ati rage xl , will it give me more gaming preformence on 90's games.
I remember having had something similar to this or maybe even the same chip, with a 1Ghz coppermine celeron. playing standard skulltag deathmatch (Doom2) was a disaster with plasmagun spam it would slow to a crawl. GTA2 and rayman 2 ran fine tho albeit on lower resolutions. and my mobo had no AGP slot so no addon cards. dark times. and the worst part? i had it till 2010.
@@nathanhamman418 Probably dedicated onboard AGP video that can't be disabled. Those were the worst as you couldn't even add in an additional video card even if there was a PCI slot.
back then it was a hassle even running age of empires 3 because it had glitchy graphics... but nowadays igpus with edram has really good performance it even runs nier automata at almost 60fps
When I quit building PC’s and got away from them when *( Sata hadn’t come out yet SSD’s weren’t even an idea yet probably, and a dual core cpu? what’s that my last PC was a 3.2ghz athlon 1 core 1 thread ddr2 ram )* they were nowhere near as complex as today, I’ve learned a lot over the last 8 months of having a new cutting edge PC 5900X/3080 Ti/32gb of 3600mhz ram
I remember mostly playing Diablo 2, Quake 3 and CS 1.6 in 2003-2005 because my PC only had intel graphics and those were literally the only games it could run at a whopping 1024x768 resolution.
Intel graphics: "I expect nothing and I'm still let down."
When you multiply 0 by infinity
@@sm_1425 That actually works. 0 * infinity = Not Defined. You don't even get nothing. You get less information than 'nothing'. :P
lol
"My dissapointment is immesurable and my day is ruined."
@@rich1051414 That happens when you divide by 0. Anything multiplied by 0 is just 0.
Hearing "dual rendering pipeline and 1 shader map unit" is like when people from 2050 hear "6 cores and 12 threads"...
You’ll probably be alive when that happens...
Yet again, when kids at that time hear how powerful the 1080 was....
a 1080 has 2560 shader units :D
+SerBallister a shader unit is not a mapping unit! A gtx1080 "only" has 160 mapping units.
A shader unit is essentially a very small processor which can execute arbitrary shader code, while a shader map does nothing more then warp a texture so it can be mapped to a polygon.
6 cores isn't really groundbreaking now.
@@Jake1702 in 31 years dummy.
Can it run games is out of the question. CAN IT WALK GAMES?
Dude Guy
The chip doesnt even have legs! Its only there to suck power. Its a parasite!
it can crawl them
It actually ran quite a lot of games at the time.
@@scottrich976 I mean, we can see that in the video, albeit it seems it really struggled in titles which were recent when the iGPU was released.
Shit bro it’s paralyzed at this point
Calling it the Extreme...you have to admire their optimism lol.
Nice work man!
extremely "terrible" :P
The extreme series was the i845 and i865 igpus
Extreme ASF 😂😂😂👌👌
While not deserving being called "extreme", it's definitely not that bad. He clearly has a performance issue. The processor is 266MHz faster in this video, but it can't be only that : th-cam.com/video/KektuzPKktQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cYItHCLMJxk_hBV4&t=1477
@@GregoryKowalkowski XD
Can it at least show a screenshot of Crysis?
at around 96x64 resolution
oh yeah yeah
Nope
🤔🤣🤣🤣
Maybe. But maybe not in 32-bits colordepth ;)
A large factor in Unreal's poor performance here was that this graphics chip would force you into using the infamous Direct3D renderer without modifying the game. To give you an idea of its performance, on my personal retro machine; a Pentium III 866 MHz, and a GeForce 4 Ti 4600 on the 45.23 driver, I would fairly frequently get dips below 20 fps in hectic battles even if I set the resolution to 640x480--but I never tested with lower settings than max because I felt that I shouldn't _need_ to lower settings with my overkill hardware. Oddly resolution barely helps (or hurts) at all with that renderer. (I ended up using an unofficial opengl 3.0 renderer that was _waaay_ better).
The game was built to use either the software renderer or the Glide renderer, but software would not really reflect as a benchmark on this chip's performance (even though it would probably run _better_ at low resolutions), and this chip can't use the Glide API so Direct3D was the logical choice here.
Licentious Howler 3dfx glide was amazing for it's time. We're still behind on Api's now it kills everyone's experiences :(
While Glide was rad and 3dfx pioneered so many concepts with it (among other things), I disagree about being behind; we live in a great time for APIs imo when you have an open-source API like Vulkan that is getting actually decent support, and can go toe-to-toe or sometimes perform outright _better_ than Microsoft's best low-level efforts.
(And DX11 or Opengl are fine widely-supported fallbacks if you just need something that works for a simple project.)
My God we need more Vulkan games. Playing Doom with Vulkan enabled sold me on it. I think it performs better than DX12.
The original unreal I had to run software mode on my 740 back in the day....
A workaround is an OpenGL wrapper. Got Unreal Gold and installed in PlayOnLinux with a Geforce 6150 (integrated and nouveau driver) and later an AMD Radeon HD 4350 and almost no issues at D3D.
Ugh dude you're giving me flashbacks of the computer i was stuck with for a large bit of my childhood
The Minimum Wage
You should have asked for a radeon X300 for your birthday.
Big F
This is less of 'Can it run Crysis' and more 'Can It RUN?' 😄
*LAUGHING CRYING EMOJI* *LAUGHING CRYING EMOJI* *LAUGHING CRYING EMOJI*
@@laibaqureshi3310 I have no idea.
Can it walk
@@AlpineTheHusky it got its legs cut off =(. it still has its arms tho so it can crawl, but not walk.
@@Xader726 CAN IT MOVE
This makes the 8400GT seem like a GTX 1080 in comparison
It is! I had a crappy x550 and it did laps on the crappy i915 i had on the mobo. And it also wasnt full of missing textures and glitches. Even the drivers were crap.
@Order66 i had the 256mb 8600GT lol. 1024x768 medium was playable at the beginning with 30fps average. On the final level had to drop to 800x600 Low and still got like 10fps lmao
I went from a single core 1.8 ghz system with a 6200A to a dual core 3.1 ghz with a 9800GT bought with self earned money from my side job delivering newspapers back in 2008. It felt amazing!
This makes a 2060 seem like a Super Computer
Get the AGP Intel graphics card and put it on an AMD mobo.
I've actually done this, it's a pretty fun idea for a video. Not spoiling, but if you want an extreme bottleneck, the best AMD mobo with AGP slot is the Asus A8V Deluxe (supports Dual Athlon FX of socket 939) (loved by me and Phil from Phil's computer lab) or the Biostar K8M800 Micro AM2 (really shitty mobo, but to my knowledge, the only AGP mobo with AM2 CPU support and DDR2 RAM), good luck.
Janghan Hong the a8v deluxe is a terrible motherboard. I picked one up because it was one of the few left to support my orphaned Opteron 185, and all it did was corrupt the install within minutes of installing the accursed VIA chipset drivers.
asrock am2nf3-vsta is an am2 board that has agp. also supports ddr2 and am3 cpus too.
VIA makes some of the best 9x chipset drivers, I don't know what use case you had.Get the normie socket 939 with a PCIE slot if you aren't planning to use it with AGP card and Windows 9x
yeah, forget what I said, that's the best AGP mobo by far, it's got Nvidia chipset too, which makes this a full RGB retro build with just CPU, mobo, and "GPU".
*looks at the motherboard* oh sorry i was too busy looking at the clean motherboard to comment
I'm overly obsessed with old hardware and old processors, so I love these kinds of videos, so much so I replicated the Scott CPU ("How a CPU Works" video, just search it if you're interested.) in the Lua programming language, except mine ran at 200Mhz after special compilation processes in which I compiled it down to a barebones assembly program.
This video was about a graphics chip? I couldn't stop looking at the lead solder on that motherboard. It was so shiny.
Paul Frederick Thats because they used leaded solder. Since the EU's RoHS program forbade lead in any household appliance, all solder is now lead-free, which lead to more failures of solder points. Without doubt, leaded solder was superior in every way
You're spelling your name wrong, Captain Obvious.
If I keep anything for a while I re flow and ball it with leaded solder.
I don't know why intel decided to make a gpu almost purposely bad, if theyre going to make something, do it well, seems to match their marketing today, over hype for something not as good as they say
X Razorsz X Yep, still rocking a Skylake, as that is the last generation of CPUs that Intel supports for Windows 7.
Igpu from Intel isn't intended for gaming though..
ridwan rf If if can't even run these games on low then it's not really intended for anything... just being bad.
@@nightcorevampire9169 Not all PCs are game rigs, dude. These setups were intended for general use - word processors, web browsing, watching video, and so on. They had SOME meager game capability, but anyone wanting to run really graphics-intensive stuff pretty much knew onboard graphics were not up to snuff, and you'd need an add-in board.
When I built machines back in the 90s and early 2000s, boards with integrated graphics were the ticket to selling more-or-less modern computers at a competitive price (while still maintaining something of a profit margin) - and if the custy wanted game capability, an add-in card was the 'upgrade path' (along with a slightly better-spec CPU, some more memory, and a bump to a larger, faster hard drive).
The funny part is that my "gaming" pc has a 4mb onboard pci graphics chip and it doesnt even have 3d acceleration and it can do just as much as those intel igpus xD
(Btw its a 200mhz pentiun mmx if you are wondering)
I had one of those back when they were new. Kept if for a week and returned it for an S3 Virge card which was much better for what I needed at the time (re: not playing games). The i740 was the worst graphics card I ever owned.
Back in the 90s, integrated graphics were a bloody god send when I was building computer labs for my high school.
This was my first "GPU" ever, in my first ever PC. The board I had was IIRC a Packard Bell rebranded GA6WMM7. It didn't even have an AGP port, I was stuck with the i810 for a few years during high school. It could run the first CS, and I remember playing the first Soldier of Fortune on it, but almost completely without textures. Beat that game, too, but to this day I have no idea if it had good visuals or not :D
5:49 Benchmarking
I have Intel Extreme Graphics 2 in an HP d530. It runs half-life(cd version) in 720p smoothly without a drop. Works perfecty with a 1440x900 monitor and Windows XP.
Finally got a chance to watch this video. Loved the video, seeing these games brought back some good memories.
Ah, Bowserstone Market. Such a great track.
I had an i740 AGP back in the day it was so very very bad at everything.
Really ? Mine was quite awesome. 8 meg and a fan on the heatsink was added to cool it.
The PC cafe I frequented in 1999 had i740s installed on the PCs and it was quite capable of running games of that period. I mostly ran Half-Life mods (Counter-Strike Beta anyone?!?) and Quake 3 Arena with my friends and also some single-player focused games. (Homeworld ran not bad...)
Great video as always!! - always very interesting to see the history of everything you review
Imagine having a build with cpu being this and the gpu being the rtx 3090
Earliest motherboard you can get with PCI Express is Socket 939, so you could do a low power Athlon 64 or Sempron... those boards use regular DDR so you could use a 64MB stick and have that be an even bigger bottleneck than the CPU, needing at that point a miniscule commandline Linux or BSD and games you can launch from a tty...
@@BringMayFlowersthat's assuming you can install and run the drivers, if not then it's pretty much worthless
Ps1 gpu is better than that
In some cases ,yes
the PS1 is pretty amazing considering it has a 33MHz processor dating from the late 80s, with 2MB of RAM and even less VRAM lol
RWL2012 fyi PlayStation released on December 1994, and ps1 at year 2000
They had better optimization didn't they?
XDangerZone640X games are optimized specifically for consoles.
This is cool, I just got a laptop with a Rage M1 mobillity chip looking forward to seeing what it can do, I remeber when I had my Q6600 system last year it had a Intel express fmaily chipset or something for its graphgics and I was really curious to see what Intle graphics were like before the main "Intel HD graphics" we all know these days
That was a great vid Hamish. Though for the minute I'd suggest cutting your internet connection and hiding in a hut on Rackwick.
This card was good back in the day compared to competitors prices. I really enjoyed my i740 pci card back in the day. Nice video brings back good memories. Thanks.
The i752 was basically an improved i740, which was from back in the days when you were upgrading from like...a S3 Virge DX. The i740 was literally the very first AGP gpu ever on the market. The PCI cards were actually pretty good and had great image quality, just not terribly fast. We had a few successful UT2003 lan parties on some i810 graphics systems...on like 640x480 ultra low settings back in the day. 😂
The i740 was created to be the reference design for AGP Texturing(the usefulness of AGP Texuring was only ever really shown to be in synthetic benchmarks, as games tried to avoid texture thrashing and extremely poor performance on older cards like voodoo2's that could otherwise perform really well).The 16 bit color looked bad but if it had 32bit it would have been way too slow
These IGPUs have 16 or 24 bit color but not 32bit one of the most interesting things about them.
Damn, that thumbnail is quality
Blitzy it's fire
I'm actually curious to see how well it'd compare to the Rivz 128ZX. Apparently its lacking some of the original 128's flaws, not that it performs well regardless.
Brilliant as per usual. Worth the wait.
iGPU or bust
Great video bud loves videos about old comps like this i think its because i have so many of them lol!
Build them up, make them useful.
I have a system with this chipset. Perfect for a Voodoo 3 pci! Happy to see you covering late 90's hardware; aka my favourite period!
I started with this now I have a 1080 ti. We have come a long way.
5yr olds: can it run fortnite I do fortnite I am a grown-up
10yr olds: LOL ITS SOOOOO BAD
They were bad in the time but not sooooooo bad.
Summoner Arthur actually better than SiS 530 and SiS 620 igpus
A bit like nowdays
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Sis was crap but whats the difference when the drivers were crap anywyas?
I couldnt run most of my games on mine (i915). They would crash, or have missing textures or glitches moat of the times.
And even low end card from ati or nvidia would do laps on it.
@@SeñorDossierOficial remember the SiS 6326 ? Savage 4 8mb. Awesome cheap cards.
@@scottrich976 the sis 530/620 were based on the 6326
This was a nice trip down memory lane. Great video mate.
Now put this igpu in a fight with my 845G chipset igpu! >:)
Also you should try getting the best PCI gpu possible cause It would be really cool to see how much the PCI slot would limit the card. :)
+Lothaire Cliquennois I will!
i810/815 vs 845G?
Both support DX6 in hardware and got support for Vertex Shader 3.0 in software. The 845 got double the pipes and can benefit from DDR-266 memory.
So yes, there is actually something slower than old Intel integrated graphics. To name it, even worse Intel integrated graphics :D
On the other hand 845G theoretically offers support all the way up to very, very fast Northwood chips with HT....
Crazy enough, I just found a Compaq DeskPro from 1999 that has that exact chip. The craziest part is since my parents never used it it sat for 20 years without me or them knowing! And on top of that it boot right up! after 20 years
I have tested some time ago this iGPU (but the 810-DC100 one) in a Compaq Deskpro EN C500 with a 500mhz Celeron Mendocino the pirated version of Half-Life Opposing Force . It only ran in D3D mode at very low (but playeable) FPS.
Fact: The first 810 ones can't run a PIII , it haves a incompatibility with SSE Instructions . This was fixed in Rev.A2 of the chipset , That Compaq PC had the older revision
Can it run Crysis?
It can start Unreal.
Budget-Builds Official close enough.
AN dead meme?
It might run at 60 frames per hour.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial start but not run lul
Still runs better than my pc.
how???? what the hell do you have...a laptop variant of this???
Dosent sound like you have a pc then topkek
do you have the first personal computer or what?
r/ woossssh
I told you you should get 64mb of ram!
*Others*: look at my gtx19888 200gb ram 235599 hz new processor
*me , an evolved gamer* : intel 810
235.599 kHz is terribly slow, though... the CPU is probably the bottleneck there, but I’m not sure.
@@GRBtutorials A factory reject 286 is perfect for this system!
@@GRBtutorialsThat thing will take forever to boot dos.
Intel the computer inside. Man I remember those days. =) have a good one budget gamer
An i810 based motherboard would probably be a killer DOS gaming machine. I have a mini-ITX i810 board with no graphics slots. Good candidate for a custom DOS mini-PC.
I had used my old P3 system with Intel 810E as my only system till 2011. Now it lies as a retro gaming PC. But I share many old memories with it. So, I kept it. I had 64MB RAM and Windows 98 which I later dual booted with Windows XP.
yeah, I have the Intel 845 "Extreme" chip in a few older computers, I absolutely hate not being able to get an AGP card, the boards didn't even come with AGP slots, just 3 PCI ones. Its extremely annoying trying to find a decent card for an ok price.
the extreme 2 was barely better than a radeon 7000 based igp so even a fx5200 will make a nice upgrade.
Remember having a friend with such a board.
The fastest cards for PCI will be a Geforce GT 430 or GT 520/610, Zotac built some bit they are rare and expensive today.
Then there are some GT 9400, 8400 GS and HD 5450 for PCI, and of course the dreadful FX 5200.
Except for the later all of them. Even PCIe 1x will be way faster on them and they're beat by cards sometimes 5 years older.
This are good examples about those:
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I am pretty worse than that. My board has a shitty trident 3d blade, and donr have any agp. At least in your case you can run something without the pci card.
But anyways, do you know a good pci card for retro gaming ?
There are PCI variants of TNT2 M64, MX400, all the way up to GeForce GT610/710.
Miguel Que The problem is that i cant seem to find these in my country for sale, only the pciex versions or the agp ones.
Is there a very popular one that has a decent performance?
I wanted two of these pci:
One of the win98/2k/xp era for 98 and xp retrograming
And a much newer one for pushing a old athlon xp system to its maximum limit, maxing out the processor to a 2.8ghz athlon, 2gb of ddr1 ram 400mhz, and the best vga i could get, but the system dont have a agp slot, only pci.
Yeah, i have 2 motherboards that dont have agp and i will do some projects with them.
Ah, integrated cards. When my 8800GT died back at some point in early 2010, I spent a few months gaming on my mytherboard's integrated 7000 series Nvidia card (don't remember anymore if it was a 7050 or 7100 or what, but certainly not above 7100). Then, a few months after I plugged in a brand new GST 250, my motherboard and CPU both brailed out, and, lazy bum that I am, I spent the next 2-3 years gaming on a laptop with an intel 4500mhd chip. So many really old and indie games played in those days ... good times!
wouldn't the technical first *integreated* GPU be the GMA gfx on the i3 530?
It's a i7 so it must be GOOD!
I have a IBM p3 pc that I found in a rain gutter completely submerged. Pulled it out, pulled it apart, let it all dry in the sun with fans blowing air across, put it all together, and it works. It was under the ground until a big storm revealed it
wowww :)
Hey, I HAD ONE OF THOSE!!!! It actually wasn't that bad back in 98! I had it in my Hotwheels computer!
I... I mean I wasn't expecting much and I was kinda surprised, provided you knew what this could run you could have fun with this thing to tide you over to a new computer. Quake, Doom, Civ 2/3, some older DOS games, you'd be behind but I'd imagine somebody could springboard off of this to save up for say a PS2 or something.
What an entertaining video.
I never seen these kind of video around on youtube.
Now this is what we can call budget gaming!! *thumbs up*
I mean, the fact it actually ran the games that where launched from around the same year as the GPU already makes it way better than the newer Intel iGPU, smh
I remember when I got Q3A and I didn't have a good enough graphics card to play it. It refused to even boot on our Voodoo 2 (I think). It demanded at least Voodoo 3 and that was a really expensive card. Or that's what my brother told me at least...
My first GPU :) Ran AvP well enough to give me my first online gaming experience.
Cyrix were first with an iGPU I think in 1997. The Cyrix Media GX has integrated video and audio processing in the CPU package itself. I didn't even know about it at the time.
I have an ASRock P4i45GV, my grandfather gave me that board, still working fine with a Northwood Celeron 1.8GHz
Games which have some 3D include these:
carmageddon, baldurs gate 2, nightmare-creatures, resident-evil, 7th-guest, deus-ex (software-mode).
Running an AmigaOS might have some better written versions of games (hexen2, quake, wipeout, etc).
I remember having to use one of these to play Fable back in the day and all the water was yellow for some reason.
Someone must have pissed in it or something🤷
Texture rendering mismatch. I played unreal with silver water and purple bricks in the castle.
I used a i740 and it was fantastic..... with a voodoo 2 add on. The world of 3D and gaming was very different then as most 3D games had a software mode so you didn't need a 3D card, give me a big trinitron CRT monitor with my setup and I was the most envied gamer in my suburb.
Oh, this brings me back. the first PC I purchased was an HP pavilion 6835 with intel 810 and celeron 800, 128mb ram, and 30gb HD. Windows ME. back in fall 2001. I gamed the hell out of that unit. ignorance is bliss, they say, but I never knew any better. star craft brood war, doom and doom II, test drive 5 and test drive 6. It was good times. was this referred to as the original 'extreme graphics? I know the 865g had the "extreme graphics 2" moniker (nvm, you mentioned it at the 4 minute mark). The mpeg 2 decoding is real on the i810. I tested it in 2007 with the HP 6835, at that point long replaced and collecting dust. It required an old copy of power DVD, but I was surprised that the celeron 800 could do it with only 50% usage for DVD playback. without the hardware decoding enabled it would stutter. That HP 6835 lives on to this day, the case at least, now sporting an HP ITX board housing a baytrail celeron J1850, 4gb Low volt laptop ddr3 ram, and a 120gb ssd, on linux mint. I use it for office use only now.
I used to have one of those with 4mb on board ram(it makes difference). It was ok for its time. Played so many games.
My first new DIY PC was based on an ASUS i810 motherboard w/ Celeron 300A oc 508 which just feel like yesterday. Using that paired with two Voodoo2 12MB did give me a good time. Seeing those useless AMR slot is just funny, I've never see anything based on that slot on the retail market.
I’m sure it’ll do perfectly, providing you just stick to OpenTTD and UFO: Enemy Unknown 😂
Some good memories are coming back watching this...
My first PC ever was a 300 MHz Celeron with this beast. I played Fallout 1 on it and it still struggled sometimes in firefights.
I hope one day you'll look at the Intel 740, their early 1998 attempt to bring everyone over to their then new AGP slot technology.
Now theres a classic game Fallout 2, along with Grim Fandango. Theres a lot of the older games that you young lot need to have a look at. Well this shows what older tech is capable of.
Yeah, but remember Grim Fandango had that annoying bug if your cpu was too fast, where you got stuck unless you patched it.
UKVamp Undead couldn’t agree more with you about the older games. They will always have a legendary status and cult following that is seldom seen now in modern gaming.
I have this old graphics back in 2002 but its 82810e, of course its terrible.
But at least Max Payne and Unreal Tournament runs OK
As a teenager my family had a PII-400 MMX, with an intel i740 onboard graphics. Certainly an upgrade from the 486 DX 33.
Who else thinks that in 2050 every laptop for 200 dollas will have an i9 an a rtx 2080ti
I had to stick with that gpu for a few months back in the day... It wasn't all that terrible, I could play Quake3 and watch divx. DirectX5+ games wouldn't even load xD
Impressive mate!! Keep up the good work!!
Cheers man.
Omg quake 2
Childhood game 😅
I think I had this on my first ever Windows XP PC. I just remember how it was terrible to use, and most of the games refused to even start up. I still have that motherboard around, but something is wrong with it, since I can't get any "sound" from it. But yeah, still fires up and works after all those years.
Try changing the small capacitors on the board. Mine had the same problem and it was a small 10uf cap. Only tested at 0.6 uf
I bought a laptop for 1000€ and it barely rung fortnite in all low settings 600p with an averege of 40fps and in build battles it goes bellow 30. It has and intel core i7 7th gen, 16 gigabytes of ddr4 ram, intel hd graphics and amd radeon R7 445
TechnoGamer try disabling intel HD graphics
Your GPU is probably switched of to save power
Intel GPU is not for games, it's design to run mario
Intel 810 *_E_*
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nice setup you made there my dude
I am assembling a retro pc i got the motherboard, 866mhz p3 processor , 512 mb ram , psu for 3 $ at a local market its working . But my question is should i buy a ati rage xl , will it give me more gaming preformence on 90's games.
You should've tried C&C: Red Alert 2! That's a really heavy 2D game, since units are voxels and not sprites.
I remember having had something similar to this or maybe even the same chip, with a 1Ghz coppermine celeron. playing standard skulltag deathmatch (Doom2) was a disaster with plasmagun spam it would slow to a crawl. GTA2 and rayman 2 ran fine tho albeit on lower resolutions. and my mobo had no AGP slot so no addon cards. dark times. and the worst part? i had it till 2010.
No PCI slots?
@@nathanhamman418 Probably dedicated onboard AGP video that can't be disabled. Those were the worst as you couldn't even add in an additional video card even if there was a PCI slot.
some ppl will confuse i740 with Core-i7-40
*_Hold tight my girl whitney!!!_* - big shaq
back then it was a hassle even running age of empires 3 because it had glitchy graphics... but nowadays igpus with edram has really good performance it even runs nier automata at almost 60fps
I started on an SiS graphics card, it was pretty good in its day
Great video as always
What a relic! The oldest intel graphics accelerator i ever used is gma x3100 (which sucks too)
Such a nostalgia trip
love it
I love the humour in Grim Fandango :)
Man, this brings back memories of my old p3 and volari v3 "gaming" PC. Hint: it kinda sucked. I still have the v3 though, so yeah
When I quit building PC’s and got away from them when *( Sata hadn’t come out yet SSD’s weren’t even an idea yet probably, and a dual core cpu? what’s that my last PC was a 3.2ghz athlon 1 core 1 thread ddr2 ram )* they were nowhere near as complex as today, I’ve learned a lot over the last 8 months of having a new cutting edge PC 5900X/3080 Ti/32gb of 3600mhz ram
Last time i was this early dual core was more than enough :)
What is that "double size" AMR slot?
I remember mostly playing Diablo 2, Quake 3 and CS 1.6 in 2003-2005 because my PC only had intel graphics and those were literally the only games it could run at a whopping 1024x768 resolution.