Especially weird since the card works in other systems and the HD4670 was the only thing to run in this one. Which should be a x16 card, and most can easily run x8, x4 or even x1 if thats all they can handshake with.
Did you try to wash the board in the dishwasher? Make sure there is no rinse aid or detergent and take the cmos battery out. Let it dry for a few days in ambient air and you're set.
I've had lots of hardware that happened to be temperamental like this, seeming to defy common logic and work in situations that just seem almost stupid to explain at all.
For real though , I had so many problems with older hardware that literal made me go insane and close to a mental breakdown. I then watch some TH-camrs play around with older hardware SEAMLESSLY and PROBLEM-FREE and I wonder what kind of blessings they have got going on. To this day , am still reluctant to go anywhere near older hardware , I'd rather pay more for a newer component , seriously. This video did feel kind of good though. Finally I can see someone sharing my pain and experience hahahah
@@mabeSc its very important to attach yourself to a group of people who shares the same values. i came in UK a few years ago and i had no friends. i knew nobody. I bought every soldering tool from iron to BGA station and i join a few forums. made a TH-cam channel and kept me from not going insane. I mean i had 0 time free. Always doing something. You know what? best choice ever. You really want to learn how a PC works? buy DMM and start probing. You found something with a electronic PCB inside on the street? take it apart. try to understand how it works. at one point you will will have different type a view about everything around you.
@@DanielCardei I do have experience with PCs , is just that , for some reason , I have always had CURSED old hardware. Even older Android phones would refuse a new ROM , no matter what I did. I built my PC myself but it was all newer components. Am planning on a huge build next year which will be composed of both older and newer components. A Xeon E5 V2697 v3 (or something similar which will allow for faster clock speeds) and the motherboard + RAM (64GB DDR4) will be coming in the same bundle for under £350. Planning on building a custom cooling system and modifying my case and motherboard (especially cooling all of the motherboard evenly) which I will need since I want to overclock (especially the CPU). The GPU will also most likely have a custom cooler , thinking of a CPU-style cooler modified to fit the GPU better.
@@mabeSc I love messing with older hardware. Trust me, it isn't anything like what you see on TH-cam. I have an old Windows 98 PC that the front USB ports won't work the first time I plug something in. I have to plug it in, unplug it, plug it back in, wait for Windows to tell me it detected it and reject it, unplug it, and plug it back it back for it to finally work. Older hardware is quite cantankerous, but oh so fun.
Dude, my heart goes out to you having to handle a smoker's PC. It's never been quite so satisfying watching you hose down a case as it was this time 'round.
My previous PC used to have the same problems. As it turns out, my PSU's 12V rail only had 11.20V at idle and would drop all the way down to ~10.95V under load, probably due to weak capacitors or something. For comparison, ATX specs recommend at least 11.40V under load. Hence it's usually a good idea to test old PSUs with either a multi-meter or one of those fancy PSU testers before putting to good use.
I have a 2TB HDD, a 1TB HDD and a 500GB SSD in my tower PC :) the only reason I don't have any more is because I'm out of SATA ports (the 4th is for a DVD drive). I also have tons of spare 2.5 and 3.5 hard drives scavenged from various sources (mostly satellite and cable TV boxes).
I have to keep managing my 2+2TB setup by keeping less used files and games off my M.2 and put them on a 2TB constellation hard disk (so its not too bad for speed but 180 MB/s versus 3000 MB/s for a M.2 is slow in comparison). if I had more money I'd love to have another M.2 or a larger rust spinner to store less used files.
Well I know I would - a drive for games, a drive for music, and a drive for documents/photos/videos. that's the three hard drives. and of course the OS and programs go on the SSD :)
Great video yet again, well done for putting up with the PC. I feel for you, PCs can be so strange sometimes. Anyway its great to have you back making content again.
Just updated my old Pc (i5 760 with GTX 750ti to an i5 4660 and GTX 1060 6Gb off my stepson) and that came in an Antec 900 case with the Artic 7 CPU cooler. I ran Manjaro KDE on it and it flew compared to Win 10 which was on it previously. Try a linux distro and re-install the Radeon 7870 in it. You never know. Great video and welcome back.
Great video right here. I remember having the same problem of having weird graphics card issues with a PC I built months ago. The card works in my main PC, but not on the new one. The slot is working fine since I installed another card on it. You can be fiddling with PCs for a long time and still encounter weird stuff like such to happen.
While too bad about the HD 7870, the revelation of the HD 4670 doing yeoman's work and doing it well was the real star here. The reason behind the finicky nature of the motherboard is likely not worth anyone's time but I suspect it may have to do with reason the RAM slots were gunked up. Whatever was causing that may well have interfered with the GPU slot as well.
At least the HD 7870 was tested and confirmed good, meaning that GPU can be used in something more worthwhile than what this PC was! Personally I think the £30 paid was worth it for the CPU, GPU, RAM, ODD, and various HDDs/SSD. Oh, and the PSU as well, assuming it was still capable enough. The motherboard and case would have probably been binned if it was mine...
I feel for you. As a person who like to play around with systems and older parts in my spare time. Sometimes things just don’t make sense and won’t work when they just should. If you didn’t make the disclaimer about trying to update the bios you would have had a billion people posting it in the comments section I bet.
Hello There, a decent video and it was fantastic to hear your perspective on it, a very interesting project indeed. Great camera angles as well. Cheers Peter :) p.s. A really decent restoration video throughout. p.p.s. It's interesting to see how that AMD Radeon HD 7870 didn't actually work at all with that build at all.
Gosh, the £112 gaming pc video was 3 years ago? Doesn't seem that long ago that it popped up in my subscription feed. 😅 Anyways, great video as always. I always love seeing computers being restored back to a presentable state.
I understand the problems of old prebuilts and custom builds. I even wasted months on an i7-970 build (mostly long because I was trying to save money waiting for parts, case/power supply cables being frankensteined, and inability to boot Windows 10 from USB as Windows To Go). I also encountered the issue of many older computers not supporting USB booting. Plop Boot Manager can semi-help. I recommend you replace all case feet with new ones.
Given the amount of issues you had with that PC, specifically with the mainboard, I would guess at some point it was involved with some sort of power related issue like a power surge or lightning strike. I've seen some computers do some wacky things because of that! Many years ago I fixed a custom built PC that took a power surge via a phone line. Blew out the modem but the rest of the machine appeared to be fine. Funny thing is it had a Celeron 566 mhz CPU in it and the machine would only consistently POST and boot properly if the FSB was changed via jumpers from 66 mhz to 100 mhz which overclocked the CPU from 566 mhz to 850 mhz. I never understood why that started happening but the machine ran for years afterwards with a CPU overclock. Took me a couple of days of swapping out almost every part except for the main board to figure that one out. The person who owned that machine appreciated the extra speed boost too!
G'day BBO, I have found quite a few of the same weird problems with older PC parts over the years (Mostly freebies), but I do get enjoyment when I clean them up & get them working 😁
Nice barn find! I've got a bunch of laptops that are in varying condition that I would also class as 'barn finds' as some are really filthy and even have dead spiders inside!
If a few of of the back PCIe x16 pins are bust, maybe an x8 card would work? The RX460 comes to mind. Maybe you can fix it troubles by cleaning the hell out of the slot, and reflowing the board with a heat gun.
Nice find :D Weird that the rear fan and CPU fan are configured for positive pressure. Don't usually see that config. You forgot to reverse the rear fan though when you reversed the CPU fan though so its blowing inwards while the CPU is blowing towards it ;)
I actually have the exact same case for my personal PC and I see why he did it like that, It is because that case has option only for one case fan on the front and it is on the place where he has these hard drives and DVD drive and you can't even put fans on the top or the bottom of the case so if you block the front of the case you got basically no aiflow. But from the back you got space for one case fan, one GPU fan and maybe get some air from the PCI slots if you remove the covers and one fan on the case panel, seriously if you had that case you would understand
If windows won’t install next time just install it using a different pc then unplug it after it will restart for the first time (so before making devices ready) and you should not have any issues. Also these older 1156 sometimes won’t work with a gpt partioned drive but only mbr. You can easily create a bootable mbr usb installation stick with Rufus.
i love taking the old rigs and stuffing them full of components to see what would've actually worked back then . sound cards, pci/e, proprietary, cards and dodgy mods , so cool out there.
I still own a socket 1156 motherboard with a Xeon X3460. The problem you have with booting is that you did not set the primary boot device in the BIOS as the USB stick, let windows set things up and after the requiered reboot that the install ask for, go back in the bios and set the primary boot device the SSD/HDD where you installed windows. All the boards I worked on from friends and my own needed this to be done on socket 1156. Good to have you back again, I missed these budget builds.
I'm so happy that you are back. Was worried a bit, especially when even your Twitter went silent also for like 2 weeks... but it's over now. New video, yaaaay!
Much appreciate all the time you spent on this computer and since i also build computers i know the struggle you went through since i have some (cursed) parts lol
HD 7870 would do alright today still, roughly gtx 1050 performance. Guessing the motherboard having a spill on it near the ram ports has damaged it enough so it doesn't send power too the pci-e port properly, so either cpu or motherboard swap should resolve that if you have confirmed the powersupply can power the gpu in another computer already. Also possible the power supply has partially died if it can't power anything with pci-e power connectors in another motherboard if its a multi 12v rail powersupply. Also as the HD 4670 is working using roughly 65w out of the pci-e slot but other cards are struggling or not working at all I'm thinking its something too do with the pci-e slot on the motherboard itself, specifically the detection pins if you have tried another powersupply already. Check the pci-e slot if that has anything spilled into it as well.
If I'm not mistaken, the bit of music in the background is from Ty the Tasmanian Tiger. Loved that game! Loved the restore! So much tech gets thrown out before it goes kaput!
I'd wash the mobo under water, but first, take the battery out and PSU cables, let the electricity drain out fully, and go with some soap and a soft brush. I'm an electronic engineer and we do this all the time, just let it drain out a couple of days and be sure that there's no moisture, also spray it with some WD 40 so that there's no chance at all corrosion could strike, and hope that this could fix the PCI-E issues, if not probably some of the signal/power lines are down OR there is an issue with MOSFETs/power diagram scheme...
Hi, first time on your channel, nice to find another UK based tech channel as TH-cam always seems to recommend the USA based which is fine but it's refreshing to find someone who is also in the UK. You earned a sub, you did a great job with this PC and the video was entertaining to watch ^_^ Greetings from Scotland
That was actually a good buy for £30. The 8GB RAM, SSD and all those random HDDs were worth it on their own, in my opinion. And yes, on my desktop PC, I do have multiple hard drives. It's always nice to have that bit of extra storage; especially for videos (I am now doing more TH-cam stuff), music (it's still nice to have lots of MP3s that you can play anywhere, even without an internet connection) and the odd game or two. I'd be interested to know what the specs of each of those HDDs were - given that I have a ton of spare 500GB HDDs, a couple of spare 160GB IDE HDDs (to go into IDE enclosures), a 320GB HDD, a 1TB HDD, plus a 1TB HDD and a 2TB HDD in my tower PC. All of these were scavenged from Sky and Virgin Media recording boxes.
Great video. I can certainly understand your frustration. A couple of thoughts. Did you try a different power supply? I also wondering even after cleaning if the PCI-E slot is making proper contact. Maybe sonic cleaning the motherboard, followed by an alcohol rinse, and then some Deoxit in the slot would help. Of course as was said in another comment it could be a bad trace. Since it's working now I'd probably just let it live out the rest of it's life as is.
I thought he said “7600” at the start of the video and I thought that wasnt to bad until he said what the gpu was and I didn’t understand why the manufacturer would pair a modern processor with a ancient graphics card? Then I found out it was a i5 760 not 7600, and now release why the pc was around $80 Au.
Man budget was determined to get this working, it would be cool to see all the troubleshooting footage though as that could probably help with some people with similar problems to yours.
I have that case! It was in the trunk of a broken down car...the entire thing was water damaged, only usable part was harddrive and the case, minus the usb ports.
1:55 Now I want coffee. Also I recently upgraded my PC with an NVMe->PCIe adapter and Windows 10 refused to boot from that card. It even showed as a "bootable add-in card" in the BiOS but W10 wanted nothing to do with it. Instead I used a standard SSD which is fast enough for an OS and used the NVMe for games. That's the sort of thing that happens with older hardware. The mobo is 10+ years old with a 2500k. There's not really gonna be guides out there about it either, since so many people have moved on to something newer. Kinda glad it worked out that way though since Halo:Infinite is a beast of a game that apparently expects NVMe speeds.
6:30, the reason why the modernish graphics card won't boot is quite simple, old school BIOS versus "UEFI" versus UEFI. I have had the same problem some years back when i upgraded my old rig with a more decent graphics card. It was a i5-2400 on a Cupertino 2 board out of some HP prebuild that a good friend had gifted me. The GT545 that came with the system ran fine, it booted instantly and whatnot. Then came the day where little Bastet came around with a PNY GTX 960, installed the card and the PC refused to boot. After some coaxing it at least POSTed but took three(!) minutes on the BIOS screen to decide what to do. You could speed it up by going into network boot and canceling that but yeah, the system wasn't really longterm useable that way. It ran fine when booted, Linux and Windows worked as flawlessly as they usually do, but the boot time was a no-go. Fixed it by getting another mainboard that had a fully working UEFI, the system still runs in another case as my parents living room PC so that my dad can play stuff like Need for Speed. :)
For this type of cleaning I use soap and water, works every time, it's just long and painful to dry but after, looks brand new and smells good! It does repair all sort of things
I actually had a 4650 ddr3 in my home theatre pc about 10 years ago and I remember it pretty much like you showed. It did really well back then at 720p, but it just didn't have the beef of a 4850 or 4870 to do 1080p.
I'm probably the only one to say this, but as a blind pc builder/repairer, I kind of like installing off a DVD, so I know when the disk is being accessed by sound. Still yeah, first time I installed Win10 on a thumb drive, consequently on my board on an anti-static matt first to test, how quick that installed over USB3, I was like, you're done already? lol Cool channel.
Did you try a know good PSU? Just because the PC turned on doesn't mean the PSU is Good. It could not be sending stable voltages. And did you clean the CPU socket? one bad/dirt pin can completely inutilize a PCI socket. And the PCI socket could have corroded. If its the socket you can try cleaning it but it could also be the cracked solder joins. Reflowing the socket with a soldering iron, flux and leaded solder may fix the problem.
Hi - another nice video I know if this can help you at any stage, but when testing old computers i try to do a bare bones startup with only the memory it came with ( if any ) - so no graphic cards / sound cards - most after sat Pentium 3 or 4 will have built in graphics on the mother board - it it is old enough to have a floppy use a dos boot disk or a Win 98 / XP repair boot disk All you really need to do in step 1 is get a bios boot screen - if you get that you are 1/2 way there If it has a usb - then i try my Linux Puppy 3 usb stick ( you can use Version 3 or 4 or 5 then newer the longer the boot time but we are talking 1 to 2 mins ) After that, I always check google for a mother bard to video card compatibility eg my Dell I7 can only go as far as a GTX1050 - as 1060 will not boot There is some hardware compatibility BIOS / UEFI to the creation date of video card ( it might as well be black magic ) I noticed you ran Win10 , while it should run - sometime win 10 will not install on some pc's using bios, they may want uefi Even the bios affects the hard drive boot partition style of format if you are lucky BIOS & NTFS, if not UEFI and GPT I just copy and paste this from my cheat notes
I can't agree more with the statement "sometimes computers are just weird" I once got a hands-down laptop from a school friend cuz the keyboard was not working. I ordered a replacement fitted it myself and it was jolly well till I realised the thing included geforce 820m graphics but only the integrated graphics worked. No matter what I tried, no matter how much I researched I did not find a single fix for that piece of shit GPU which was barely better than the integrated graphics .after a year the hinge snapped and the repair cost was going to be way too much so I just shelved it. Truly a cursed computer
Today me and my daughter disassembled cleaned and reassembled her system. Same case (Cooler Master Centrium K280) ASRock H61M-HVS, I5-3330 with an Hyper T4, Radeon R9 280, 16GB DDR3-1333, 240GB SSD and 500GB HDD, Cooler Master GX 750 Storm Edition
7:29 I agree, PC’S are very weird When I was in Windows, one of the applications stopped responding when I tried to close it. I even used task manager and still wasn’t able to close it. When I shut down the system and turned it back on, it would start, hang on the BIOS Logo Screen for 10 seconds, then turn off and restart again. Turns out it was a USB which I had plugged into the system, I unplugged it and it booted into Windows again. My guess is that the system was trying to read a “BIOS Image” off the USB. Last time when I booted my computer, the USB Drive was connected, and apparently my Mobo was reading a BIOS Image off there. My BIOS was updated to the latest version anyway. There was no Image on that USB, all I had was NVIDIA Drivers and USB Wireless Drivers which I used for another computer. I had no idea what tf happened, but it was a very weird day.
My barn find was back in 2015, it was a Dell Precision T7500, sure most of these came with a reletively slow 6 core processor(core i7 extreme based just with slower clock speeds), however, this one was special, not many of these actually came with the daughter card for a second 6 core processor and an 1100w PSU. I upgraded it from a pair of xeon X5675(3-3.3ghz) to a pair of X5690 (3.4-3.7Ghz) at the time, the multicore score with 12 cores was noticably better than a top of the line 8 core Intel core i7 Xtreme 5960x Not bad for $300 all together with -48- 24GB of RAM(more than half that cost was for the pair of xeon X5690). Swapped out the Quadro 4000 for a GTX 960(waiting for the GTX1080 that was rumored) and it was a great PC till late 2018 when it died(was only ever meant for the 95w X5675, not for the 130w X5690) I did find a supermicro board that worked well with the X5690s, but soon upgraded for the 3950x
a leftfield suggestion would be to try the whole rig in a different case - sometimes it can as simple as a short from some component against the standoffs, or some quirk of the case design - counter-intuitive I know but I have experienced this . especially with cheaper or warped cases.
the award legacy style bios is probably the problem, they don't support GUID partition booting usb drives which are support on UEFI with legacy style CSM bios.
Surprisingly them baby HAF CM cases are quite popular, I have been loath to let go my HAF XM monster version of that case because it is such a cooling monster and something Coolermaster seemed to get right with all the HAF's. I would be looking at the PCIe slot for bent or missing pins or maybe one of the power supplying mosfets given up the ghost, certainly not everything is OK down there in the dark crevices of PC interfacing lol Hey you could LED and paint the whole thing up and list it on ebay as a superfast gaming PC not forgetting to put DDR3 in a big shiny star to show its potency, some clueless parent would buy it and imagining the crestfallen look of utter dismay of little lad parent bought it for would be priceless... I have an i5 HP Elitebook that refuses to run smoothly Windows 10, it runs like a swimming pool of custard :( Trouble is I can't find my copy of Win 7 and because its linked to my MS account it refuses to let me download 7 onto it forcing me to take it up the chuff from 10 grr.
If there was rust on the outside of the power supply then there might be further problems within it and also spots of non-optimal conductivity on the motherboard(?)
Speaking of weird. My friend and I once had identical Biostar motherboards, ram, GPU, and Sempron +2800 setups. Determined it was a bad cpu after my rig worked great after trying his cpu. On a whim he tried my cpu in his rig and it worked!? Thinking might have been a connection, dirt, etc we switched back and here's the weird part...my cpu still did not work in my rig AND his no longer worked in his! We switched cpus and both our pcs worked great until our next upgrades. Never have figured that one out.
This proves why it is so important to clean your PC, especially if it has been smoked around. Sticky dirt and residue can mess with electronics something fierce. I bought a GTX 1050 for £30 that had been wiped down, but was truly revolting on the back panel. It was very very unhappy, and glitched out, hence why I got it at what it was actually worth, rather than the £75 everywhere else seems to ask for it. I gave it a scrub with isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush, and now it has been working flawlessly in a budget system for three weeks!
Could be the psu on this! Coolermaster is not exactly great when it comes to power supplies. The video card could well be tipping over as it cannot cope. Power supplies are a bit meh, the cheaper you go the worse they get.
broooo i laughed so much at your video.. those PC / laptops sometimes the make strange shit and after that other strange shit, I also had a build, AMD athlond 5000+ dual core that would refuse to boot anything beside DVD rip that poor thing. Thank you for the smiles
Win10/11 ISO's can be deployed several ways to a USB pen drive by using Rufus; MBR mode for older systems with regular BIOSses or GPT mode for newer systems with UEFI. Rufus will also let you set options for Windows 11 setup skipping the CPU/RAM/TPM "requirements" check and create a local user account.
Had a few thoughts you probably did all this, most likely to least likely: Deep clean motherboard, check caps closely, check cpu is seated/supported with no socket dirt maybe i7 is not supported properly, maybe case not 100% dry from wash water particals conduiting/shorting?, check CPU is genuine and not a fake and also test ram replace CMOS battery, Maybe the board has had previously had a bad BIOS flash this can do wierd things like kill ram slots. nice video missed this channel.
1. Motherboard has been fully cleaned. 2. All the capacitors appear to be working perfectly fine. 3. CPU has been replaced and removed to test for any faults. It still appears to work fine. 3. Case was left to dry for hours, and was cleaned. 4. BIOS is correct and has been flashed to the latest one I think Cigarette tar has actually corroded through a power trace
Back around 2009 I crossfired three 4670s on a DFI Socket 775 LanParty with 8gigs of ram and a Q9550. Still have all of the components so I could build it back up if I got the inspiration to do so.
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Sounds like it has dead pci X16 contacts, the slots can get damaged over time, did you clean it out?
Fully cleaned out, and repaired. I think the tar may have corroded it and destroyed a power trace
Especially weird since the card works in other systems and the HD4670 was the only thing to run in this one. Which should be a x16 card, and most can easily run x8, x4 or even x1 if thats all they can handshake with.
Did you try to wash the board in the dishwasher? Make sure there is no rinse aid or detergent and take the cmos battery out. Let it dry for a few days in ambient air and you're set.
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial try gt 1030
It's pcie x4. With x16 connector (doesn't make sense why no one made x4 ones with gddr5)
the power supply is bad.....
Description: barely used
That would be the craigslist description then
barnly used*
It may be barely used by a human but very used by spiders and bugs
The legend is back
I've had lots of hardware that happened to be temperamental like this, seeming to defy common logic and work in situations that just seem almost stupid to explain at all.
It's like winning the silicon lottery. Or shall we say losing it :/.
Isn't that what you call broken to the point of being almost dead.
I ran the Artic Freezer 64 on my Phenom II for 9 years. Fantastic cooler & super affordable.
Hats off to you for not throwing the pc under a bus, torching it or beating it to pieces with a sledge hammer.
"storage not needed"
Laughs in modern warfare
Perfect! A true representation how it feels to restore a PC.
Awesome work.
For real though , I had so many problems with older hardware that literal made me go insane and close to a mental breakdown. I then watch some TH-camrs play around with older hardware SEAMLESSLY and PROBLEM-FREE and I wonder what kind of blessings they have got going on.
To this day , am still reluctant to go anywhere near older hardware , I'd rather pay more for a newer component , seriously.
This video did feel kind of good though. Finally I can see someone sharing my pain and experience hahahah
@@mabeSc its very important to attach yourself to a group of people who shares the same values. i came in UK a few years ago and i had no friends. i knew nobody.
I bought every soldering tool from iron to BGA station and i join a few forums. made a TH-cam channel and kept me from not going insane. I mean i had 0 time free. Always doing something. You know what? best choice ever.
You really want to learn how a PC works? buy DMM and start probing. You found something with a electronic PCB inside on the street? take it apart. try to understand how it works.
at one point you will will have different type a view about everything around you.
@@DanielCardei I do have experience with PCs , is just that , for some reason , I have always had CURSED old hardware.
Even older Android phones would refuse a new ROM , no matter what I did.
I built my PC myself but it was all newer components.
Am planning on a huge build next year which will be composed of both older and newer components.
A Xeon E5 V2697 v3 (or something similar which will allow for faster clock speeds) and the motherboard + RAM (64GB DDR4) will be coming in the same bundle for under £350.
Planning on building a custom cooling system and modifying my case and motherboard (especially cooling all of the motherboard evenly) which I will need since I want to overclock (especially the CPU).
The GPU will also most likely have a custom cooler , thinking of a CPU-style cooler modified to fit the GPU better.
but when he lies about the Core i5 or Core i7, there is clearly IDE. the i5's and i7's are Sata technology, not IDE. Common sense buddy.
@@mabeSc I love messing with older hardware. Trust me, it isn't anything like what you see on TH-cam. I have an old Windows 98 PC that the front USB ports won't work the first time I plug something in. I have to plug it in, unplug it, plug it back in, wait for Windows to tell me it detected it and reject it, unplug it, and plug it back it back for it to finally work. Older hardware is quite cantankerous, but oh so fun.
Dude, my heart goes out to you having to handle a smoker's PC. It's never been quite so satisfying watching you hose down a case as it was this time 'round.
Why does it put sticky tar everywhere...
My previous PC used to have the same problems.
As it turns out, my PSU's 12V rail only had 11.20V at idle and would drop all the way down to ~10.95V under load, probably due to weak capacitors or something. For comparison, ATX specs recommend at least 11.40V under load.
Hence it's usually a good idea to test old PSUs with either a multi-meter or one of those fancy PSU testers before putting to good use.
"I don't know why you'll need that much storage" As someone with 9TBs spread throughout a bunch of drives I feel personally attacked.
Its homework
I have a 2TB HDD, a 1TB HDD and a 500GB SSD in my tower PC :) the only reason I don't have any more is because I'm out of SATA ports (the 4th is for a DVD drive). I also have tons of spare 2.5 and 3.5 hard drives scavenged from various sources (mostly satellite and cable TV boxes).
NAS with a 3tb and 4tb, 2 x 6tb and 1 2tb nvme, and a laptop with 1.5 tb of nmve
Lol I have large games do 3D animation and video editing and I only need 1tb max
I have to keep managing my 2+2TB setup by keeping less used files and games off my M.2 and put them on a 2TB constellation hard disk (so its not too bad for speed but 180 MB/s versus 3000 MB/s for a M.2 is slow in comparison).
if I had more money I'd love to have another M.2 or a larger rust spinner to store less used files.
All those hard drives stored grandpa's "collection."
At this point I don’t know what my mind will think next.
Yeah, I'd rather see a video based on HD finds to be honest.
If gramps got 70s fuzzy bunnies bonanza I have cash for his treasure
@@nuyorican91st Please seek jesus.
Nasty!
"I don't know why you need that much storage" 👀👀
Well I know I would - a drive for games, a drive for music, and a drive for documents/photos/videos. that's the three hard drives. and of course the OS and programs go on the SSD :)
@@TheSpotify95 grandpa had a different mindset with those storages. :P
I just found an i7 7700 with a 1060 mini 6gb near a street.
I think i have just used up my luck for the next few years.
noo wayyy
I found an NEC EA232wmi on the side of my road. Also grabbed an iPhone 6 (which needed a new screen and home button) and other things from the dump.
@@lbsiuk holy crap what dump do you go to 😭
@@lbsiuk how do u even find ANY monitor on the side of the road 😓
Was the owner far enough for you to run away unseen?
Yesss been waiting for this vid for the last 2 months
Great video yet again, well done for putting up with the PC. I feel for you, PCs can be so strange sometimes. Anyway its great to have you back making content again.
Thanks god you are back
I thought the worst had happened
I thought you had gone to twitch!
No matter if machine costs 10$ or 2000$, cable managment is a must. :D
After testing all the parts first
You'd have a heart attack if you saw the insides of my computer. Cable management? Not here!
Cable management is pointless
For me it only matters if it has a window side panel. On closed cases, as long as all the fans are free to move I’m content
They fit in the case & don't block any fans, then they're managed.
wait whats my pc doing there
M - mOM?!?!
Just updated my old Pc (i5 760 with GTX 750ti to an i5 4660 and GTX 1060 6Gb off my stepson) and that came in an Antec 900 case with the Artic 7 CPU cooler. I ran Manjaro KDE on it and it flew compared to Win 10 which was on it previously. Try a linux distro and re-install the Radeon 7870 in it. You never know. Great video and welcome back.
Appreciate the use of Ty music, never gets used enough in videos and it has some nice sounding backgrounds
Should just slap together the super clip of this Pc tearing your soul apart for our viewing pleasure 😂
This is a little weird I just finished a build whith a i5 750 HD 7850 and a 500gb hard drive fore $35. Thought I dont have a case as of yet.
Get a cheap diy case
@@Scuffedalex or make your own and use some cheap leds, will look better than the diypc case even if you use cardboard
I was also about to do that build, but my 1156 board said "nope" and I went for a xeon x3440 instead, and I didnt bought that 7850 yet also
Shoe box pc build
Great video right here. I remember having the same problem of having weird graphics card issues with a PC I built months ago. The card works in my main PC, but not on the new one. The slot is working fine since I installed another card on it. You can be fiddling with PCs for a long time and still encounter weird stuff like such to happen.
While too bad about the HD 7870, the revelation of the HD 4670 doing yeoman's work and doing it well was the real star here. The reason behind the finicky nature of the motherboard is likely not worth anyone's time but I suspect it may have to do with reason the RAM slots were gunked up. Whatever was causing that may well have interfered with the GPU slot as well.
At least the HD 7870 was tested and confirmed good, meaning that GPU can be used in something more worthwhile than what this PC was!
Personally I think the £30 paid was worth it for the CPU, GPU, RAM, ODD, and various HDDs/SSD. Oh, and the PSU as well, assuming it was still capable enough.
The motherboard and case would have probably been binned if it was mine...
I feel for you. As a person who like to play around with systems and older parts in my spare time. Sometimes things just don’t make sense and won’t work when they just should. If you didn’t make the disclaimer about trying to update the bios you would have had a billion people posting it in the comments section I bet.
Reminds me of a laptop I've got - NEVER let the thing go to sleep, or the graphics driver gets fucked up and has to be reinstalled in safe mode.
The way you handle cases makes me cry... Shoving them over the table and that moment you shoved it over the rabbit house just hurt me..
What?
Lol
Hello There, a decent video and it was fantastic to hear your perspective on it, a very interesting project indeed. Great camera angles as well. Cheers Peter :) p.s. A really decent restoration video throughout. p.p.s. It's interesting to see how that AMD Radeon HD 7870 didn't actually work at all with that build at all.
Gosh, the £112 gaming pc video was 3 years ago? Doesn't seem that long ago that it popped up in my subscription feed. 😅
Anyways, great video as always. I always love seeing computers being restored back to a presentable state.
Another good one! I just found this channel today. I subscribed and I am excited to see how many of these computers you go through!
I understand the problems of old prebuilts and custom builds. I even wasted months on an i7-970 build (mostly long because I was trying to save money waiting for parts, case/power supply cables being frankensteined, and inability to boot Windows 10 from USB as Windows To Go). I also encountered the issue of many older computers not supporting USB booting. Plop Boot Manager can semi-help.
I recommend you replace all case feet with new ones.
I was getting worried... luckily you’re back!
Given the amount of issues you had with that PC, specifically with the mainboard, I would guess at some point it was involved with some sort of power related issue like a power surge or lightning strike. I've seen some computers do some wacky things because of that!
Many years ago I fixed a custom built PC that took a power surge via a phone line. Blew out the modem but the rest of the machine appeared to be fine. Funny thing is it had a Celeron 566 mhz CPU in it and the machine would only consistently POST and boot properly if the FSB was changed via jumpers from 66 mhz to 100 mhz which overclocked the CPU from 566 mhz to 850 mhz. I never understood why that started happening but the machine ran for years afterwards with a CPU overclock. Took me a couple of days of swapping out almost every part except for the main board to figure that one out. The person who owned that machine appreciated the extra speed boost too!
G'day BBO,
I have found quite a few of the same weird problems with older PC parts over the years (Mostly freebies), but I do get enjoyment when I clean them up & get them working 😁
Nice barn find! I've got a bunch of laptops that are in varying condition that I would also class as 'barn finds' as some are really filthy and even have dead spiders inside!
That was good fun!
If a few of of the back PCIe x16 pins are bust, maybe an x8 card would work? The RX460 comes to mind.
Maybe you can fix it troubles by cleaning the hell out of the slot, and reflowing the board with a heat gun.
Nice find :D
Weird that the rear fan and CPU fan are configured for positive pressure. Don't usually see that config. You forgot to reverse the rear fan though when you reversed the CPU fan though so its blowing inwards while the CPU is blowing towards it ;)
I actually have the exact same case for my personal PC and I see why he did it like that, It is because that case has option only for one case fan on the front and it is on the place where he has these hard drives and DVD drive and you can't even put fans on the top or the bottom of the case so if you block the front of the case you got basically no aiflow. But from the back you got space for one case fan, one GPU fan and maybe get some air from the PCI slots if you remove the covers and one fan on the case panel, seriously if you had that case you would understand
If windows won’t install next time just install it using a different pc then unplug it after it will restart for the first time (so before making devices ready) and you should not have any issues. Also these older 1156 sometimes won’t work with a gpt partioned drive but only mbr. You can easily create a bootable mbr usb installation stick with Rufus.
i love taking the old rigs and stuffing them full of components to see what would've actually worked back then . sound cards, pci/e, proprietary, cards and dodgy mods , so cool out there.
I was actually worried about you... don't scare me like that! I'm glad to see you ok though
Love these barn/garage/shed/loft builds! Toolbox and cuppa at the side ready...yep, all good!
Oh damn, i had a 4600 for a while few years ago! I totally understand the suffering.
I still own a socket 1156 motherboard with a Xeon X3460. The problem you have with booting is that you did not set the primary boot device in the BIOS as the USB stick, let windows set things up and after the requiered reboot that the install ask for, go back in the bios and set the primary boot device the SSD/HDD where you installed windows. All the boards I worked on from friends and my own needed this to be done on socket 1156. Good to have you back again, I missed these budget builds.
I'm so happy that you are back. Was worried a bit, especially when even your Twitter went silent also for like 2 weeks... but it's over now. New video, yaaaay!
Much appreciate all the time you spent on this computer and since i also build computers i know the struggle you went through since i have some (cursed) parts lol
HD 7870 would do alright today still, roughly gtx 1050 performance.
Guessing the motherboard having a spill on it near the ram ports has damaged it enough so it doesn't send power too the pci-e port properly, so either cpu or motherboard swap should resolve that if you have confirmed the powersupply can power the gpu in another computer already.
Also possible the power supply has partially died if it can't power anything with pci-e power connectors in another motherboard if its a multi 12v rail powersupply.
Also as the HD 4670 is working using roughly 65w out of the pci-e slot but other cards are struggling or not working at all I'm thinking its something too do with the pci-e slot on the motherboard itself, specifically the detection pins if you have tried another powersupply already.
Check the pci-e slot if that has anything spilled into it as well.
If I'm not mistaken, the bit of music in the background is from Ty the Tasmanian Tiger. Loved that game!
Loved the restore! So much tech gets thrown out before it goes kaput!
I'd wash the mobo under water, but first, take the battery out and PSU cables, let the electricity drain out fully, and go with some soap and a soft brush. I'm an electronic engineer and we do this all the time, just let it drain out a couple of days and be sure that there's no moisture, also spray it with some WD 40 so that there's no chance at all corrosion could strike, and hope that this could fix the PCI-E issues, if not probably some of the signal/power lines are down OR there is an issue with MOSFETs/power diagram scheme...
Hi, first time on your channel, nice to find another UK based tech channel as TH-cam always seems to recommend the USA based which is fine but it's refreshing to find someone who is also in the UK. You earned a sub, you did a great job with this PC and the video was entertaining to watch ^_^ Greetings from Scotland
That was actually a good buy for £30. The 8GB RAM, SSD and all those random HDDs were worth it on their own, in my opinion.
And yes, on my desktop PC, I do have multiple hard drives. It's always nice to have that bit of extra storage; especially for videos (I am now doing more TH-cam stuff), music (it's still nice to have lots of MP3s that you can play anywhere, even without an internet connection) and the odd game or two.
I'd be interested to know what the specs of each of those HDDs were - given that I have a ton of spare 500GB HDDs, a couple of spare 160GB IDE HDDs (to go into IDE enclosures), a 320GB HDD, a 1TB HDD, plus a 1TB HDD and a 2TB HDD in my tower PC. All of these were scavenged from Sky and Virgin Media recording boxes.
Great video. I can certainly understand your frustration. A couple of thoughts. Did you try a different power supply? I also wondering even after cleaning if the PCI-E slot is making proper contact. Maybe sonic cleaning the motherboard, followed by an alcohol rinse, and then some Deoxit in the slot would help. Of course as was said in another comment it could be a bad trace. Since it's working now I'd probably just let it live out the rest of it's life as is.
Another great video mate. Only tech channel where I've watched the same videos more than once. Very entertaining delivery as well.
welcome back, also i love all of you videos!
I thought he said “7600” at the start of the video and I thought that wasnt to bad until he said what the gpu was and I didn’t understand why the manufacturer would pair a modern processor with a ancient graphics card? Then I found out it was a i5 760 not 7600, and now release why the pc was around $80 Au.
Thoroughly entertained. I love seeing old pcs being brought back to life.
Man budget was determined to get this working, it would be cool to see all the troubleshooting footage though as that could probably help with some people with similar problems to yours.
the literal pain "Barnyard PC" could be an alternative title
I have that case! It was in the trunk of a broken down car...the entire thing was water damaged, only usable part was harddrive and the case, minus the usb ports.
1:55
Now I want coffee.
Also I recently upgraded my PC with an NVMe->PCIe adapter and Windows 10 refused to boot from that card.
It even showed as a "bootable add-in card" in the BiOS but W10 wanted nothing to do with it.
Instead I used a standard SSD which is fast enough for an OS and used the NVMe for games. That's the sort of thing that happens with older hardware. The mobo is 10+ years old with a 2500k. There's not really gonna be guides out there about it either, since so many people have moved on to something newer.
Kinda glad it worked out that way though since Halo:Infinite is a beast of a game that apparently expects NVMe speeds.
I feel your pain, bother. Great video!! Keep up the Good work!
BRO! I legit thought I had a phone call because I was actually expecting one, and then at 10:40 that piano tune is identical to my ringtone!
puzzles me the way some people set up thier fan orientation sometimes
I felt so bad for you spending so long troubleshooting that 'thing', I sat through a 5 minute ad. Keep the change :)
6:30, the reason why the modernish graphics card won't boot is quite simple, old school BIOS versus "UEFI" versus UEFI.
I have had the same problem some years back when i upgraded my old rig with a more decent graphics card.
It was a i5-2400 on a Cupertino 2 board out of some HP prebuild that a good friend had gifted me. The GT545 that came with the system ran fine, it booted instantly and whatnot.
Then came the day where little Bastet came around with a PNY GTX 960, installed the card and the PC refused to boot.
After some coaxing it at least POSTed but took three(!) minutes on the BIOS screen to decide what to do. You could speed it up by going into network boot and canceling that but yeah, the system wasn't really longterm useable that way. It ran fine when booted, Linux and Windows worked as flawlessly as they usually do, but the boot time was a no-go.
Fixed it by getting another mainboard that had a fully working UEFI, the system still runs in another case as my parents living room PC so that my dad can play stuff like Need for Speed. :)
Great to see you posting again after 2 months 😁
For this type of cleaning I use soap and water, works every time, it's just long and painful to dry but after, looks brand new and smells good! It does repair all sort of things
I actually had a 4650 ddr3 in my home theatre pc about 10 years ago and I remember it pretty much like you showed. It did really well back then at 720p, but it just didn't have the beef of a 4850 or 4870 to do 1080p.
I'm probably the only one to say this, but as a blind pc builder/repairer, I kind of like installing off a DVD, so I know when the disk is being accessed by sound. Still yeah, first time I installed Win10 on a thumb drive, consequently on my board on an anti-static matt first to test, how quick that installed over USB3, I was like, you're done already? lol Cool channel.
Dude I thought I left my game of TY open at the start of this video. 10/10 soundtrack my man, made my day.
Well done. No pain, no gain. You gained a lot of respect from us viewers.
2:00 I wouldn't have put my mug of tea that close to this particular PC! 😮😮
Did you try a know good PSU? Just because the PC turned on doesn't mean the PSU is Good. It could not be sending stable voltages.
And did you clean the CPU socket? one bad/dirt pin can completely inutilize a PCI socket.
And the PCI socket could have corroded. If its the socket you can try cleaning it but it could also be the cracked solder joins. Reflowing the socket with a soldering iron, flux and leaded solder may fix the problem.
Tested with a different PSU 👍
Really not a bad deal in theory, pity about the weird stuff. Great to see you back as always
Hi - another nice video
I know if this can help you at any stage, but when testing old computers i try to do a bare bones startup with only the memory it came with ( if any ) - so no graphic cards / sound cards - most after sat Pentium 3 or 4 will have built in graphics on the mother board - it it is old enough to have a floppy use a dos boot disk or a Win 98 / XP repair boot disk
All you really need to do in step 1 is get a bios boot screen - if you get that you are 1/2 way there
If it has a usb - then i try my Linux Puppy 3 usb stick ( you can use Version 3 or 4 or 5 then newer the longer the boot time but we are talking 1 to 2 mins )
After that, I always check google for a mother bard to video card compatibility eg my Dell I7 can only go as far as a GTX1050 - as 1060 will not boot
There is some hardware compatibility BIOS / UEFI to the creation date of video card ( it might as well be black magic )
I noticed you ran Win10 , while it should run - sometime win 10 will not install on some pc's using bios, they may want uefi
Even the bios affects the hard drive boot partition style of format if you are lucky BIOS & NTFS, if not UEFI and GPT
I just copy and paste this from my cheat notes
I can't agree more with the statement "sometimes computers are just weird"
I once got a hands-down laptop from a school friend cuz the keyboard was not working. I ordered a replacement fitted it myself and it was jolly well till I realised the thing included geforce 820m graphics but only the integrated graphics worked. No matter what I tried, no matter how much I researched I did not find a single fix for that piece of shit GPU which was barely better than the integrated graphics .after a year the hinge snapped and the repair cost was going to be way too much so I just shelved it. Truly a cursed computer
Great to see you again. I saw those updates and knew something great was coming. Also 25fps?
Today me and my daughter disassembled cleaned and reassembled her system. Same case (Cooler Master Centrium K280) ASRock H61M-HVS, I5-3330 with an Hyper T4, Radeon R9 280, 16GB DDR3-1333, 240GB SSD and 500GB HDD, Cooler Master GX 750 Storm Edition
7:29 I agree, PC’S are very weird
When I was in Windows, one of the applications stopped responding when I tried to close it. I even used task manager and still wasn’t able to close it. When I shut down the system and turned it back on, it would start, hang on the BIOS Logo Screen for 10 seconds, then turn off and restart again.
Turns out it was a USB which I had plugged into the system, I unplugged it and it booted into Windows again. My guess is that the system was trying to read a “BIOS Image” off the USB. Last time when I booted my computer, the USB Drive was connected, and apparently my Mobo was reading a BIOS Image off there. My BIOS was updated to the latest version anyway. There was no Image on that USB, all I had was NVIDIA Drivers and USB Wireless Drivers which I used for another computer.
I had no idea what tf happened, but it was a very weird day.
My barn find was back in 2015, it was a Dell Precision T7500, sure most of these came with a reletively slow 6 core processor(core i7 extreme based just with slower clock speeds), however, this one was special, not many of these actually came with the daughter card for a second 6 core processor and an 1100w PSU. I upgraded it from a pair of xeon X5675(3-3.3ghz) to a pair of X5690 (3.4-3.7Ghz) at the time, the multicore score with 12 cores was noticably better than a top of the line 8 core Intel core i7 Xtreme 5960x
Not bad for $300 all together with -48- 24GB of RAM(more than half that cost was for the pair of xeon X5690). Swapped out the Quadro 4000 for a GTX 960(waiting for the GTX1080 that was rumored) and it was a great PC till late 2018 when it died(was only ever meant for the 95w X5675, not for the 130w X5690) I did find a supermicro board that worked well with the X5690s, but soon upgraded for the 3950x
love how your working with pc stuff and water is EVERY where .. Mean while an apple user has a snotty sneeze and a snot droplet frys ppbus g3hot..
The issue is almost certainly a power trace on the PCI Express x16 slot. The passively cooled card is what gives it away.
a leftfield suggestion would be to try the whole rig in a different case - sometimes it can as simple as a short from some component against the standoffs, or some quirk of the case design - counter-intuitive I know but I have experienced this . especially with cheaper or warped cases.
the award legacy style bios is probably the problem, they don't support GUID partition booting usb drives which are support on UEFI with legacy style CSM bios.
Surprisingly them baby HAF CM cases are quite popular, I have been loath to let go my HAF XM monster version of that case because it is such a cooling monster and something Coolermaster seemed to get right with all the HAF's. I would be looking at the PCIe slot for bent or missing pins or maybe one of the power supplying mosfets given up the ghost, certainly not everything is OK down there in the dark crevices of PC interfacing lol Hey you could LED and paint the whole thing up and list it on ebay as a superfast gaming PC not forgetting to put DDR3 in a big shiny star to show its potency, some clueless parent would buy it and imagining the crestfallen look of utter dismay of little lad parent bought it for would be priceless... I have an i5 HP Elitebook that refuses to run smoothly Windows 10, it runs like a swimming pool of custard :( Trouble is I can't find my copy of Win 7 and because its linked to my MS account it refuses to let me download 7 onto it forcing me to take it up the chuff from 10 grr.
I feel the quirks come from a bad BIOS chip
Great video as always!
Your voice is very soothing.
If there was rust on the outside of the power supply then there might be further problems within it and also spots of non-optimal conductivity on the motherboard(?)
Speaking of weird. My friend and I once had identical Biostar motherboards, ram, GPU, and Sempron +2800 setups. Determined it was a bad cpu after my rig worked great after trying his cpu. On a whim he tried my cpu in his rig and it worked!? Thinking might have been a connection, dirt, etc we switched back and here's the weird part...my cpu still did not work in my rig AND his no longer worked in his! We switched cpus and both our pcs worked great until our next upgrades. Never have figured that one out.
I have an old C2D E4600 with a XFX HD4870 sitting in it, this video brought me memories :’)
This proves why it is so important to clean your PC, especially if it has been smoked around. Sticky dirt and residue can mess with electronics something fierce.
I bought a GTX 1050 for £30 that had been wiped down, but was truly revolting on the back panel. It was very very unhappy, and glitched out, hence why I got it at what it was actually worth, rather than the £75 everywhere else seems to ask for it.
I gave it a scrub with isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush, and now it has been working flawlessly in a budget system for three weeks!
i will take that price anyday if it's just some cleaning
seriously......
Could be the psu on this! Coolermaster is not exactly great when it comes to power supplies. The video card could well be tipping over as it cannot cope. Power supplies are a bit meh, the cheaper you go the worse they get.
broooo i laughed so much at your video.. those PC / laptops sometimes the make strange shit and after that other strange shit, I also had a build, AMD athlond 5000+ dual core that would refuse to boot anything beside DVD rip that poor thing. Thank you for the smiles
That background music brings back a lot of memories
Oh man i would keep that tea well away from that pc!!!! Also swap the rear fan around?!
Win10/11 ISO's can be deployed several ways to a USB pen drive by using Rufus; MBR mode for older systems with regular BIOSses or GPT mode for newer systems with UEFI. Rufus will also let you set options for Windows 11 setup skipping the CPU/RAM/TPM "requirements" check and create a local user account.
Had a few thoughts you probably did all this, most likely to least likely: Deep clean motherboard, check caps closely, check cpu is seated/supported with no socket dirt maybe i7 is not supported properly, maybe case not 100% dry from wash water particals conduiting/shorting?, check CPU is genuine and not a fake and also test ram replace CMOS battery, Maybe the board has had previously had a bad BIOS flash this can do wierd things like kill ram slots. nice video missed this channel.
1. Motherboard has been fully cleaned. 2. All the capacitors appear to be working perfectly fine. 3. CPU has been replaced and removed to test for any faults. It still appears to work fine. 3. Case was left to dry for hours, and was cleaned. 4. BIOS is correct and has been flashed to the latest one
I think Cigarette tar has actually corroded through a power trace
Back around 2009 I crossfired three 4670s on a DFI Socket 775 LanParty with 8gigs of ram and a Q9550. Still have all of the components so I could build it back up if I got the inspiration to do so.
This video is amazing! Well worth the wait!!