@Michael Hansen interesting point there. if I recall, their drivers don't interefere with an AMD/Nvidia card, that was a combination done by some EVE multi-boxers back in the day (since EVE isn't demanding per se, especially in DX9 mode with low settings....)
@TheThunderGuy S I was about say this as well. I was a huge 3Dfx fan, I think I had all the different version cards made. Back in 99-00 I remember using a Matrox G200 together with two Voodoo2's was like the ultimate setup.
It makes sense that a professional PC hardware company would have issues entering the consumer market. Pro grade hardware is usually build quality/reliability/build quality focused, while *consumer* grade is usually (disposable) bang for the buck focused.(*spell corrected)
That sums it up well: It's worth noting that companies who *are* known for focusing on build quality (Sapphire and PowerColor come to mind because I'm an ATI/AMD guy) are very often lauded on this fact in particular. Can confirm the quality of my new Nitro+'s display ports... I'm a klutz...
I had this video card when it released. I made heatsinks for it, overclocked it, and ran quake 3 on triple CRT monitors back then... thanks to parhelia, I have always been a surround screen gamer. I can never go back to 1 screen. Matrox Parhelia was a legend.
I remember when Voodoo 3D hit and you still needed a dedicated 2D card to go beside it. Now those were the days, when men were men, women were women and computers where just really large pocket calculators.
Some years ago i chatted with a matrix representative at the Expo in Hannover Germany where they had a small booth. We had a Matrox Mystique back in the nineties in my brothers first pc which powered all the fun we had back then so i was delighted to see them there. Turns out they are still going strong albeit not in the gaming market of course but in a professional niche which is ultra reliable multi-monitor 2D graphics. They have 700 employees according to wikipedia as of last year so they seem to do pretty good.
In fact Matrox might be a more interesting company right now. Matrox was co-founded. A few months ago one of them packed up and sold his side of the company to the other guy. Things could get interesting if the one left with the company has interesting ambitions.
Nice recap of an highly anticipated card of the early 2000's! Two things, one of the main reasons for the hype that Parhelia-512 would be great for gaming was the massive bandwith it had, 17.6GB/s (Retail) which was 7.2GB/s faster than Ti4600! That was really unheard at the time! Secondly Parhelia suffered greatly with the decision Matrox made of not including any occlusion culling tech. So the card just rendered everything in scene, not able to check if an abject would be visible to the gamer. That really saturated the bandwith a lot with unnecessary data.
You say its the only card they marketed as a gaming card, but what about the Mystique? I had one of them back in the day and that was marketed as a gaming card.
@Dr ROLFCOPTER! yeah the g400 and g450, they are actually better than a voodoo 3 3000. I have several cards I got in pallets from a salvage company and have tested both.The only thing I dont like about the g450 is even though it has 32mb of ram its split up into 2 monitor outputs so if you use 1 vga port its only 16 megs
Yup, they're still around, they just have a very specific niche in the enterprise market, where they actually do pretty well for themselves. They focus entirely on gpus for multi-monitor setups and high resolution multi-panel displays. Their current cards are very interesting in context since they have very high quality 2D acceleration, which is a tertiary focus on mainstream gpus. Provided the drivers were there to make it happen (and they aren't,) I would love to see how a C680 performs versus, say, a 1050 ti in Age of Empires 2: DE, which is fundamentally still a 2D game.
@@LastOneLeft99 The "Mystake" actually wasn't so bad at all when you realize it was competing against the S3 Virge and ATI Rage, not Voodoo. IIRC, Voodoo came later. The Mystique was only of the infamous "Virge, Rage, Mystique" trinity to actually run Direct 3D games at playable framerates. It sacrificed any texture filtering or true transparency for it, but at least you could actually PLAY games like Turok or Shadow of the Empire on it. Those games btw were among the first to REQUIRE a 3D card so the Mystique at least made them playable if ugly as hell. "Trash. Couldn't even run GLQUake." - You realize no card but the Voodoo and some professional graphics cards of the era could run it right? OK, the Rendition Verite ran Quake accelerated, playably, but using its own API - NOT Glquake.
I remember going from my 1998 Matrox Mystique G200 to my new nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 and noticing the analog image quality was actually WORSE than my 5 year old Matrox! That's when I gained a lot more respect for Matrox. I later bought a used Parhelia for cheap but eventually settled on an ATI Radeon X800 Pro which had good image quality and more powerful 3D. But without a doubt, Matrox had the best image quality for analog cards which is what I valued much more over higher frame rates in 3D games.
I was just reminiscing about Matrox, how they were the king at 2D cards back in the day, and remembering the last Matrox card I had, a G200 AGP with 8MB. Those were some interesting times. From what I could tell when I went to see if they were still around a few weeks ago, it looked like they were, sort of, but more a ghost town. I think they dabbled in making cards and external devices to split displays, but even the most recent one was maybe 10 years or so if I recall. Great timing on this video for myself.
The feature-list of this card is almost like hearing of a hardware raytracing capable graphics card releasing back in 2010. So ahead of its time in some ways, but woefully behind in the fields that mattered most. Still pretty cool.
The one killer title that sold a lot of Matrox cards was Flight Simulator 2004, because it offered very easy triple head support which was still very challenging for ATI and nVidia in that era.
Cool! Matrox had the best overall image quality, especially compared to other cards with analog connections. Outside of 3D performance, it was the best graphics card for the time.
The Matrox DigiSuite would be a great topic for discussion. We were the #1 Repair Group for systems and certified 3 motherboards specifically to handle the cards. Which were insanely expensive and required mindfulness of PCI Slot IRQ Assignments to ensure stability. ESPN was one of the first customers of these setups.
I wouldn't be shocked if even win10 has at least basic support for it built in. Windows always tended to have built in drivers for matrox cards offering decent support, then you'd install the driver's from matrox for the extras. Unlike other graphics cards where u were stuck at something like 640x480 or 800x600 non accelerated 256 color standard vga till you loaded the drivers
It's funny that today Matrox's bread and butter is the embedded G200 chip that's in almost every server. I have an old Cisco server from 2012 that has a G200 chip on it. We just bought some brand new Dell R740 servers at work a few months back, and they also have a G200 chip.
The radeon 9700 might have done a significant amount of damage to matrox but really it was the DVI connector that killed Matrox. If you are old enough to connect your monitors up with VGA or BNC cables then you would remember how blurry ATi's picture was and how washed out Nvidias picture was compared to Matrox's amazing picture quality. But then came the digital DVI connector it levelled the playing field. Leaving Matrox's performance (FPS) as a supreme chink in its armour.
Matrox actually got bought out by ATi shortly after the Parhelia came out. They're around in name, mostly, though their offices outside of Montreal are still there (or were last time I drove past the area). They focus mostly on large digital signage right now -- I'd be lying if I didn't say some part of me wants to buy the card with 16 DisplayPort outputs, and a whole bunch of DP 4x splitters, to see how a modern Windows or Linux OS would choke on a 48-screen display
Matrox I seem to recall made a pretty well regarded gaming card called the "Millenium". The strength of this gaming card was that unlike the Voodoo 2 or similar, Matrox were one of the first (with the card called the "All-In-One-Wonder) to combine a 2D and a 3D card on the same PCB. This may sound like an obvious thing to do now, but back in those days (I'm talking 90's) 2D and 3D cards were sold separately and used an external passthrough cable to conjoin the two cards before a final cable sent the image generated by BOTH cards to the CRT monitor. All good, or so it sounds. The down side was the cost. Most people were used to replacing just the 3D card, and had the same 2D card for years (I used an S3 Savage for quite a while, firstly with a single Voodoo 2, and latterly with a PAIR of Voodoo 2 in SLI) and the eyewatering cost of the Millenium and then the "All-In-One-Wonder" which came before it meant most people couldn't afford it.
Anyone here remember the mythical Matrox G800 that was cancelled. All we heard was rumors and I even held on buying a new GPU to wait for the G800.......damn also 2:58 that is Sega GT 2002 menu music in the background. I have not thought about that game in more than 10 years!!!
Now that's a brand I hadn't thought about in decades! I remember Matrox as a solid graphics card for work environments, not so much for gaming unless you pair it with something like a Voodoo card. Nice to hear they are still around.
I wanted Matrox to release the G800, the first time I heard of that card was when the CEO of SNK said he was planning on releasing a new console in the early 2000s with a pentium 4 and dual Matrox G800s. 3:01 this video went from pretty good to GOD MODE when the Sega GT 2002 music started to play
@@matchmakerchris7617 Been doing a lot of research and looking back it seems the CEO of SNK was bs when he talked about the new Neo Geo hardware with a Pentium 4 and two G800. This was done in early 2000 before the company went under so I think he was trying to get more investors to give him money. As for the Hyper Neo Geo 64 a few months ago finally somebody took the hardware apart and mapped all the chips so we know how the thing actually works. It is literally SNK trying to do a sega model 2 but with no money. pretty sad
I was sad when the Canadian ATi was acquired by AMD in 2006, then I searched for any PC hardware makers were still owned by Canadians and saw Matrox and started to cry...
Eurocom is another little known PC manufacturer... I bought their Sky X4C... It's been a damn good one now for almost 2 years... Rock solid and reliable...
The blue-ground bug from Far Cry can be fixed by updating the game from 1.0 to 1.1 and so. It happened to me when i was playing with my old Geforce4 MX440.
Some of the S3 cards had MPEG video decoder card accessory boards (like for the Diamond Stealth 3D 2000, a Virge 325 chip model) so that they could play MPEG videos full screen on low end hardware like early Pentium's and 486 class PC's. These were great if you had video CD movies (they were available). Just play the .DAT files on them in a MPEG media player to run the movie. I even found a Packard Bell PC (Platinum 65 model) that had a Brooktree video decoder chip along side the S3 Virge 325 graphics chip on the motherboard. It also had a Analog TV Tuner card in it as well.
Hey ..See if You can find an XGI Volare card . I've used three of them over the years .. and found them an outstanding value (when you can find them ??
I bought a Matrox for multi-monitor support. At the time, no other maker had a card that did it as well. And the Matrox was the most stable video card I've used.... even more so than the Quadro I now use in my workstation.
Matrox is still making graphics adapters, if you want to call them that. They are more in the market of making multi-monitor PCI-e/PCI extenders for the onboard graphics chips. They make the "Graphics eXphansion" series and the "Mura IPX/MPX" and they still make the M9120/9128, M9140/9148 multi-monitor adapters for PCI/PCIe. That said, the Matrox PCIe display adapters max out at 1080p with 512mb RAM so only niche (I think OEM specifically) applications would use them as I can't fathom anyone both business or consumer who would get one on purpose.
I always wanted a Parhelia. Say what you want about the Mystique, it was my first 3D card and it was GOOD, it ran TombRaider in 640x480 at a solid 30fps, same with MotoRacer in 512x384, the bundled Mechwarrior 2 was the best version of the game ever made AND the 2D image quality and speed was typical Matrox legend. Back when Parhelia came out, I was working at PC World and had already taken pretty much one of every video card available out of the "returns" cage in the warehouse. I also knew some dodgy guys back then who were breaking entire office sized PC lots every week, and I got some amazing hardware from those guys for nothing except the time it took for me to help them out. I wasn't short on hardware. But I never came across a Rage Fury Maxx, or a Matrox Parhelia. Those are the two cards missing from my collection, and the two I most wanted back in the day. Prices now on eBay for both are insane, unfortunately.
Really sad, the last one I used was 8x agp G400 max which featuring bump-mapping at the time. Matrox Millenlium was the 2D king, the most impressing was the picture quality that beat all others competitors.
Best card I ever had was a Matrox G450... Combined with an intel p400, it ran like a dream. Homeworld was sooooo smooth. And to be honest, the graphic card industry need another manufacture or two.
I had one of these for flight sim over 3 monitors. This was back in the day before ultrawide monitors were a thing and it was amazing. Was fantastic for productivity too. Was way ahead of its time for what I needed. Civ and age of empires were damn good too. I still don't have as good a productivity setup even now but that will change sometime next Yr when I get an ultrawide. Great video!
Make a video about the Nexus 5X. They go for around 60 to 30 dollars on E-bay, even cheaper sometimes. The Nexus 5X also has a huge XDA modding community, making a great video.
I actually played WoW with this card, cleared Black Temple and Sunwell Plateau, and went up to Ulduar in the Lich King expanssion :))). This was actually one of best video cards for 2D graphic arts, photography, the reason I used it.
So nostalgic! - I have some Matrox cards in my collection - PCI Matrox Mistique (1996), PCI Matrox G200 and AGP Matrox G450 - I even use for a while PCI G200 when my video card fails!
It was a different time. The big thing Matrox had support for more than 3 monitors. Most cards at the time only offered 1 or 2 monitor support. They also was the low end market for drafting, and had cards that supported Coax based RGB composite. They still make kinda graphic chips.They make a large number of physical chips for Lenovo, Dell, and HP IMMs/IMIMd. Server intetfaces to control hardware.
Oh, the nostalgia of it all... not a gamer myself, but used a Parhelia with a Millenium G400 as a three monitor set up for Design work (CAD & Web mainly). Loved this card. Really crisp displays and (as you said) almost no OS support issues. Switched to nVidia when I could no longer get Matrox and still running 3x monitors but currently with a GT730 (4Gb running 2 mon) and GT610 (1Gb running 1) - contemplating an upgrade to a GTX 1660 6Gb and three new DP Iiyama monitors, even though I no longer work on design - kinda got used to the screen real estate of 5760 x 1080 :-) Great video - thanks for doing it.
Make a video on the final PowerVR card, the Kyro II. I wanted to Kyro III to come out only for ST to pull out last minute and force Imagination Technologies to go mobile
@@faolor6468 yeah but after arm started selling Mali, Apple started making their own GPU and QUALCOMM has the Adreno only a few Chinese companies are using the PowerVR. Think they might get killed off in a few years.
Ran quite a few Matrox cards back in the day from the G200 all the way through to a PCIe Parhelia. We mostly sold them to clients in the graphics space, multiple monitor support, great resolution support and very high quality image production. Not great for gaming but I had access to the cards through work where I could usually pick up a previous generation we still had in stock for next to nothing. The "Gaming" cards we stocked never stayed in stock long enough to get a good deal on. The Parhelia was impressive next to the productivity focused G series we sold a lot of but sadly was eclipsed (badly) by much faster Radeon cards and even the Geforce 4 was faster. Most people gaming back then were focused on resolution and quality settings, this was the era where 30fps was considered the bar and you pushed for that at the highest resolution and quality settings you could get out of your card. The Parhelia just didn't have the prestige of Geforce or Radeon and as such, many gamers overlooked it, even if they picked up a lower end Nvidia or ATI GPU that was actually slower. By the time Parhelia was phased out you could pick them up pretty cheap, cheaper than slower, lower tier cards from the competition but only a few people really knew that and by this time there were already games that wouldn't run properly on the card thanks to poor DX9 support. If a game ran on openGL the parhelia did well but a lot of titles shifted the DX route thanks to the huge jump in features from DX8 to DX9. Microsoft really wanted to push XP as THE gaming OS and did all they could to make DX the API of choice for AAA developers. Great video, lots of nostalgia here.
I bought a cheap mystery graphics card at a recycler because it was 64-bit PCI-X. Turns out it was a Parhelia, which I think is the only graphics card to ever be built for the interface, making it arguably the best option for a second high-speed video card back in the AGP era when otherwise you'd be stuck on basic 32-bit PCI for a second card.
Matrox did bring some neat tech to the industry such as EMBM. I remember with the G200/400 series when they introduced it was amazing. They are also the multi-monitor king The sweet spot was back in the Voodoo days having a G400 with a V2. I really was a huge fan of them and wished they had kept up with the comp.
I would think a g400 especially the max on its own would hold up well to a voodoo2. The g200/400 were really good cards on their own till Nvidia released the geforce. Everything matrox did after the g400 was pretty much a rehash of the g400 core with smaller silicon process and higher clocks till the parhelia came along. But yeah back in the day pairing a matrox millennium/mystique with a voodoo card was probably the ultimate setup.
@@d0ugk OH it did! What I meant as a sweet spot was the best of both worlds at the time. I remember using a utility called 3D switcher that allowed you to switch between the voodoo or other GPU (ATi, Nvidia, Matrox, PowerVR, etc... ) Remember back then some games were optimized to specific API/GPU and ran better on Voodoo than other cards.
There is a second revision of the card, there's a node shrink, and it gets about 20% clock boost, 256MB VRAM, and keyed for AGP 8X slot. There was no market for it and I believe they were made mostly to do RMA on the 128MB 4X card that came out. It's almost impossible to find. I only got it after staring at eBay for a year.
Thanks very much for this. I had a Matrox Millenium in my pre 2000 build; used it to run Falcon 4.0 :-D It was a pretty decent card, but was quickly overwhelmed by all the new 3D games coming out. When Parhelia was announced, it was too expensive for me, and so went for a Sapphire ATi 9500 upgrade.
I remember I was so hyped about this card. All the hardware magazines were feeding the hype train as Matrox was promising ground breaking new technologies. A huge 512 bits memory bus, super high quality and fast AA, displacement mapping, multi-texturing etc... And it all died when the first reviews came out. By the way, Super Sampling (not the fast FAA 16x) was not exclusive to the Parhelia. It was available on all Geforces and Radeons of the time, it was in fact the first type of AA to be used by graphics cards. But it was so taxing on resources that non one really bothered turning it on.
I remember having fond memories of the first PC I built that I had specced out with the Matrox Marvel G200-TV, as I wanted to do actual video editing at home and had some experience at work with the Matrox Digisuite MJPEG capture cards. I was impressed at the time, although as I recall there wasn't great support for video editing software beyond the bundled package. I did game a bit and wasn't unimpressed with what it could do, even though it likely wasn't the best available. In the end I think I ended up replacing the card with an ATI card and a Pinnacle capture card that I had gotten relatively cheaply through work, so it didn't end up being as good as I had hoped. Still it seemed pretty cutting edge at the time, as I recall it. always wondered what had happened to Matrox after I jumped ship, so thank you for the interesting history lesson.
My first AGP card was a Matrox Marvel G400-TV blew peoples minds in 99 and a few years later that i was capturing TV and sharing it with people a thing called bittorrent
I saw an ad for them a couple of weeks back. Apparently they moved into machine vision space (manufacturing, automated assembly lines, etc). I was surprised to see they are still around. Back in the day I had the millenium card and it wasn't bad for the time.
I'll never forget the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, that card screamed power. I remember cause I was rocking a Geforce 4 Ti 4600 and it could not handle Doom 3. But that Radeon 9700 Pro chomp through that game with ease with that DirectX 9 support. NVIDIA had moved to the Geforce FX line and that card was a flop.
Half way through the video... the badassery of the Parhelia was triple-head gaming. Play UT2004 on three screens... I warped my table from having 3x21" CRTs on it... so worth it!
Matrox didn't bite the bullet, they are still going today. They shifted their focus away from end users and into the medical/scientific field and more recently into capture and streaming for the professional world. They realised early on that dealing with end users is a pain in the ass lol. They make hardware similar to Extron but more on the computer controlled kind of thing.
Love my Matrox Mystique G200. Was my first GPU. Original card went bad few years ago, but I couldn't let go of it, so I bought another one. Even have the 8mb VRAM upgrade. In 2D it can process HD windows desktop applications effortlessly. Gaming-wise, best kept at 800x600. I loved running demoscene files on a G200. Matrox chips were popular with shader junkies.
At the same time, Number 9 : graphics cards smashed Matrox. I had Number 9's and were side kick of Silicon Graphics. The filters on Number 9's set them apart.
These were particularly attractive in a world where ATI and NVidia could only support two displays per card. That era did not take long to end. Though 3D surround spanning did take quite a few more years. If you were gonna need an extra graphics card anyway because the Matrox ain't a performer... You could run 4 displays off two NV/ATI cards instead.
Ah Matrox! They still exist you know. They're just a bit west of Montreal. ATi still exists too. They're just a bit north of Toronto. I'll never forget just how odd the Matrox Millennium card was. It looked like two cards sndwiched together like a folded slice of pizza. We Canadians seem to be pretty good at tech. LOL
0:35 - I say decade....Turns out we're all old now and I actually mean Century, so the Year 2000. Anyways enjoy!
You could also say Millenium
Noticed that one, lol.
@Budget Build Officail
No joke, you can buy a "new" Martox cards even today! :D Look here: www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Grafikkarten+(VGA)/Matrox.html
Could of put "last two decades" Instead now.
You aren't old. I started gaming with Pong as a kid. That was the only video game. Well that and the light gun thing. I am old.
The GPU market could be intresting today if they were still around. sad
@Michael Hansen
All displays will speak in French though. Lol.
@Michael Hansen interesting point there. if I recall, their drivers don't interefere with an AMD/Nvidia card, that was a combination done by some EVE multi-boxers back in the day (since EVE isn't demanding per se, especially in DX9 mode with low settings....)
@TheThunderGuy S I was about say this as well. I was a huge 3Dfx fan, I think I had all the different version cards made. Back in 99-00 I remember using a Matrox G200 together with two Voodoo2's was like the ultimate setup.
they are around but their stuff is made by nvidia lol
Meanwhile.....
*Intel has joined the server.*
It makes sense that a professional PC hardware company would have issues entering the consumer market. Pro grade hardware is usually build quality/reliability/build quality focused, while *consumer* grade is usually (disposable) bang for the buck focused.(*spell corrected)
plus as he said, Radeon 9000s series. Even Nvidia would be on the backfoot for the next two years.
consider grade?
That sums it up well: It's worth noting that companies who *are* known for focusing on build quality (Sapphire and PowerColor come to mind because I'm an ATI/AMD guy) are very often lauded on this fact in particular. Can confirm the quality of my new Nitro+'s display ports... I'm a klutz...
@@catnium Sorry, proof reading is not my forte. Fixed.
They weren't entering the consumer market, they were getting kicked out of it.
I had this video card when it released. I made heatsinks for it, overclocked it, and ran quake 3 on triple CRT monitors back then... thanks to parhelia, I have always been a surround screen gamer. I can never go back to 1 screen. Matrox Parhelia was a legend.
*respect*
Ooh. Almost forgot quake and unreal tournament. Felt like I was living in the future.
this is a rad comment
How did those heatsinks look? And just for vram or the core too?
The late 90s early 00s were a wild time for pc hardware, I kinda miss those turbine looking cpu coolers thermaltake used to make
it still is in a way
or the circular zantechs with the composite heatpipes
I remember when Voodoo 3D hit and you still needed a dedicated 2D card to go beside it. Now those were the days, when men were men, women were women and computers where just really large pocket calculators.
LadBooboo cooler master jet 7 I have for my Pentium cooler cooler ever !
I could’ve gotten a cup holder...
I really could’ve
Some years ago i chatted with a matrix representative at the Expo in Hannover Germany where they had a small booth. We had a Matrox Mystique back in the nineties in my brothers first pc which powered all the fun we had back then so i was delighted to see them there. Turns out they are still going strong albeit not in the gaming market of course but in a professional niche which is ultra reliable multi-monitor 2D graphics. They have 700 employees according to wikipedia as of last year so they seem to do pretty good.
Matrox was an interesting company to say the least
Still remember playing with a Matrox Tesselator system - SVGA in 1983.
In fact Matrox might be a more interesting company right now.
Matrox was co-founded. A few months ago one of them packed up and sold his side of the company to the other guy. Things could get interesting if the one left with the company has interesting ambitions.
They make the best in female hygiene products
@Michael Hansen Now they are using Amd video chips with some exotic display outs and adapters
@@allangibson8494 you mean 1993, there was no svga nor vga during that time
Nice recap of an highly anticipated card of the early 2000's! Two things, one of the main reasons for the hype that Parhelia-512 would be great for gaming was the massive bandwith it had, 17.6GB/s (Retail) which was 7.2GB/s faster than Ti4600! That was really unheard at the time! Secondly Parhelia suffered greatly with the decision Matrox made of not including any occlusion culling tech. So the card just rendered everything in scene, not able to check if an abject would be visible to the gamer. That really saturated the bandwith a lot with unnecessary data.
Not changing anything else, JUST adding that would have given the card a huge boost.
Yup, they just included a quad memory channel and Fast Z clear.
You say its the only card they marketed as a gaming card, but what about the Mystique? I had one of them back in the day and that was marketed as a gaming card.
I do cover this slightly in my other Matrox video. I should really do a spin off video on the card.
Not only that, but it came with pack in games. I had one.
@Dr ROLFCOPTER! yeah the g400 and g450, they are actually better than a voodoo 3 3000. I have several cards I got in pallets from a salvage company and have tested both.The only thing I dont like about the g450 is even though it has 32mb of ram its split up into 2 monitor outputs so if you use 1 vga port its only 16 megs
Lol it could have been marketet as a gaming card, but very few games had support for it, same for the matrox M3D (the one I had).
@@PJBonoVox Ditto. Destruction Derby was actually the shit.
Surprising to see the features this card was packing back in its day. Really loved watching this blast from the past. RIP Matrox
Yup, they're still around, they just have a very specific niche in the enterprise market, where they actually do pretty well for themselves. They focus entirely on gpus for multi-monitor setups and high resolution multi-panel displays. Their current cards are very interesting in context since they have very high quality 2D acceleration, which is a tertiary focus on mainstream gpus. Provided the drivers were there to make it happen (and they aren't,) I would love to see how a C680 performs versus, say, a 1050 ti in Age of Empires 2: DE, which is fundamentally still a 2D game.
@iewind I try
Matrox made gaming cards before the 2000s.
Matrox Mystique series in the mid 90s. I had one then.
I still have one. For 2D with a Voodoo...
The "Mystake" was my first 3D card when I had no idea what I was doing. Trash. Couldn't even run GLQUake.
I remember them being pretty popular also. Never had one of the cards, but I remember all the ads and high star retings for them in magazines.
@@LastOneLeft99 The "Mystake" actually wasn't so bad at all when you realize it was competing against the S3 Virge and ATI Rage, not Voodoo. IIRC, Voodoo came later. The Mystique was only of the infamous "Virge, Rage, Mystique" trinity to actually run Direct 3D games at playable framerates. It sacrificed any texture filtering or true transparency for it, but at least you could actually PLAY games like Turok or Shadow of the Empire on it. Those games btw were among the first to REQUIRE a 3D card so the Mystique at least made them playable if ugly as hell.
"Trash. Couldn't even run GLQUake." - You realize no card but the Voodoo and some professional graphics cards of the era could run it right? OK, the Rendition Verite ran Quake accelerated, playably, but using its own API - NOT Glquake.
@@michalzustak8846 Yes I stand by my statement of it being trash. I saved money and got a Voodoo 1 so I could finally play GLQuake
I really enjoy learning about more older or dare I say legacy GPU's. It's so interesting how far we came from cards like these.
lol bro your frog avatar is so damn cool
And nowadays we have apu that can work as good as a vga technology is continuely developing maybe in near futire we wont need vga anymore
@@CommanderTato it's supposed to look like me. It was pepe working on a raspberry pi and inhaling the soldering fumes
@@BigNerdLandon Hum, did it worth the sacrifice?
@@CommanderTato absolutely
Still usable. Not sure why anyone would want to use it, but it works.
Well, for text editing, It can deal with it
Technically, even the FX5200 works.
still have this card in a editing rig, 3 monitors , works great,
@@VGamingJunkieVT technically the OG ati wonder still works
Yes the features were amaizing ..
The bump mapping and details And colors
made it spectacular over Nvidia soft blurry graphics.
I remember going from my 1998 Matrox Mystique G200 to my new nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 and noticing the analog image quality was actually WORSE than my 5 year old Matrox! That's when I gained a lot more respect for Matrox. I later bought a used Parhelia for cheap but eventually settled on an ATI Radeon X800 Pro which had good image quality and more powerful 3D. But without a doubt, Matrox had the best image quality for analog cards which is what I valued much more over higher frame rates in 3D games.
Still have a Matrox G450... Image quality is still da bomb...
9800 Pro owner here, when that card hit... it was amazing!!! Lasted far too long :) I replaced eventually with a 4870 IceQ or something.
I was just reminiscing about Matrox, how they were the king at 2D cards back in the day, and remembering the last Matrox card I had, a G200 AGP with 8MB. Those were some interesting times. From what I could tell when I went to see if they were still around a few weeks ago, it looked like they were, sort of, but more a ghost town. I think they dabbled in making cards and external devices to split displays, but even the most recent one was maybe 10 years or so if I recall. Great timing on this video for myself.
The feature-list of this card is almost like hearing of a hardware raytracing capable graphics card releasing back in 2010. So ahead of its time in some ways, but woefully behind in the fields that mattered most. Still pretty cool.
11:53 Did I hear right that he says: "...Crysis of it's day DAY it was Farc Cry"...
TH-cam audio bug. Should be resolved when the video is done processing.
@The New Baris Berat Balci whats a wnr?
@The New Baris Berat Balci Yeah... sadly.
@The New Baris Berat Balci the fuck. I found nothing about windows
Well, I hear "of its da-day" silly TH-cam.
I remember in the work, around 2001, we use Compaq's with Matrox to work with CAD and some of 3D in gorgeous 20" monitors, good to remember this time!
The one killer title that sold a lot of Matrox cards was Flight Simulator 2004, because it offered very easy triple head support which was still very challenging for ATI and nVidia in that era.
my uncle was one of the people who worked on this card back in the day :)
@mdx maybe, i know he works at nvidia now helping make RTX cards so maybe it was more the other people lol
Cool! Matrox had the best overall image quality, especially compared to other cards with analog connections. Outside of 3D performance, it was the best graphics card for the time.
You and LGR have to be my favorite channels for learning about old interesting tech, cheers.
The Matrox DigiSuite would be a great topic for discussion.
We were the #1 Repair Group for systems and certified 3 motherboards specifically to handle the cards. Which were insanely expensive and required mindfulness of PCI Slot IRQ Assignments to ensure stability. ESPN was one of the first customers of these setups.
I wouldn't be shocked if even win10 has at least basic support for it built in. Windows always tended to have built in drivers for matrox cards offering decent support, then you'd install the driver's from matrox for the extras. Unlike other graphics cards where u were stuck at something like 640x480 or 800x600 non accelerated 256 color standard vga till you loaded the drivers
It's funny that today Matrox's bread and butter is the embedded G200 chip that's in almost every server. I have an old Cisco server from 2012 that has a G200 chip on it. We just bought some brand new Dell R740 servers at work a few months back, and they also have a G200 chip.
The radeon 9700 might have done a significant amount of damage to matrox but really it was the DVI connector that killed Matrox.
If you are old enough to connect your monitors up with VGA or BNC cables then you would remember how blurry ATi's picture was and how washed out Nvidias picture was compared to Matrox's amazing picture quality. But then came the digital DVI connector it levelled the playing field. Leaving Matrox's performance (FPS) as a supreme chink in its armour.
Man that Supersampling is really awesome. Never seen such negligible performance hit with Supersampling on nvidia/amd/ati cards
Matrox actually got bought out by ATi shortly after the Parhelia came out. They're around in name, mostly, though their offices outside of Montreal are still there (or were last time I drove past the area). They focus mostly on large digital signage right now -- I'd be lying if I didn't say some part of me wants to buy the card with 16 DisplayPort outputs, and a whole bunch of DP 4x splitters, to see how a modern Windows or Linux OS would choke on a 48-screen display
Love your channel brother.
I have been watching your videos recently. Enjoying myself.
Matrox I seem to recall made a pretty well regarded gaming card called the "Millenium". The strength of this gaming card was that unlike the Voodoo 2 or similar, Matrox were one of the first (with the card called the "All-In-One-Wonder) to combine a 2D and a 3D card on the same PCB. This may sound like an obvious thing to do now, but back in those days (I'm talking 90's) 2D and 3D cards were sold separately and used an external passthrough cable to conjoin the two cards before a final cable sent the image generated by BOTH cards to the CRT monitor. All good, or so it sounds. The down side was the cost. Most people were used to replacing just the 3D card, and had the same 2D card for years (I used an S3 Savage for quite a while, firstly with a single Voodoo 2, and latterly with a PAIR of Voodoo 2 in SLI) and the eyewatering cost of the Millenium and then the "All-In-One-Wonder" which came before it meant most people couldn't afford it.
I love the kotor background music it fits great.
Anyone here remember the mythical Matrox G800 that was cancelled. All we heard was rumors and I even held on buying a new GPU to wait for the G800.......damn
also 2:58 that is Sega GT 2002 menu music in the background. I have not thought about that game in more than 10 years!!!
Did I miss anything? Isn't Matrox still around and produces cards for multi monitor setups ?
Now that's a brand I hadn't thought about in decades! I remember Matrox as a solid graphics card for work environments, not so much for gaming unless you pair it with something like a Voodoo card. Nice to hear they are still around.
My G400 was the first dualhead card, and it worked fine for gaming at the time.
2x 19" Viewsonic Pro CRTs running at 1280X960 was amazing! :)
I wanted Matrox to release the G800, the first time I heard of that card was when the CEO of SNK said he was planning on releasing a new console in the early 2000s with a pentium 4 and dual Matrox G800s.
3:01 this video went from pretty good to GOD MODE when the Sega GT 2002 music started to play
Holy crap, that console sounds amazing. Too bad SNK exited the hardware market with their failed Hyper Neo Geo 64.
@@matchmakerchris7617 Been doing a lot of research and looking back it seems the CEO of SNK was bs when he talked about the new Neo Geo hardware with a Pentium 4 and two G800. This was done in early 2000 before the company went under so I think he was trying to get more investors to give him money. As for the Hyper Neo Geo 64 a few months ago finally somebody took the hardware apart and mapped all the chips so we know how the thing actually works. It is literally SNK trying to do a sega model 2 but with no money. pretty sad
Matrox Mystique 4MB PCI still sits on my shelf
I was sad when the Canadian ATi was acquired by AMD in 2006, then I searched for any PC hardware makers were still owned by Canadians and saw Matrox and started to cry...
Eurocom is another little known PC manufacturer... I bought their Sky X4C... It's been a damn good one now for almost 2 years... Rock solid and reliable...
The blue-ground bug from Far Cry can be fixed by updating the game from 1.0 to 1.1 and so. It happened to me when i was playing with my old Geforce4 MX440.
I have tried all versions from V1.0 to V1.4, still issues with the Matrox card
Be nice to see a similar view of the S3 cards of the same era.
Still keeping my old s3 virge gx/2 in the basement along with my voodoo 2 card for nostalgia.
Some of the S3 cards had MPEG video decoder card accessory boards (like for the Diamond Stealth 3D 2000, a Virge 325 chip model) so that they could play MPEG videos full screen on low end hardware like early Pentium's and 486 class PC's.
These were great if you had video CD movies (they were available).
Just play the .DAT files on them in a MPEG media player to run the movie.
I even found a Packard Bell PC (Platinum 65 model) that had a Brooktree video decoder chip along side the S3 Virge 325 graphics chip on the motherboard.
It also had a Analog TV Tuner card in it as well.
Hey ..See if You can find an XGI Volare card . I've used three of them over the years .. and found them an outstanding value (when you can find them ??
I remember wanting one of these back in the day.
I bought a Matrox for multi-monitor support. At the time, no other maker had a card that did it as well. And the Matrox was the most stable video card I've used.... even more so than the Quadro I now use in my workstation.
Love when old hardware's getting its tribute in your videos. I wonder if there're Linux drivers for this card, too.
There are indeed.
Happy 3 years being on TH-cam
I was really hyped for the Parhelina back then. At that point, I had the g 400max. Btw it's a shame that we don't see Maxtrox anymore
I had the G400max as well and it was the best for Duke Nukem 3D
Matrox is still making graphics adapters, if you want to call them that. They are more in the market of making multi-monitor PCI-e/PCI extenders for the onboard graphics chips. They make the "Graphics eXphansion" series and the "Mura IPX/MPX" and they still make the M9120/9128, M9140/9148 multi-monitor adapters for PCI/PCIe. That said, the Matrox PCIe display adapters max out at 1080p with 512mb RAM so only niche (I think OEM specifically) applications would use them as I can't fathom anyone both business or consumer who would get one on purpose.
I always wanted a Parhelia. Say what you want about the Mystique, it was my first 3D card and it was GOOD, it ran TombRaider in 640x480 at a solid 30fps, same with MotoRacer in 512x384, the bundled Mechwarrior 2 was the best version of the game ever made AND the 2D image quality and speed was typical Matrox legend.
Back when Parhelia came out, I was working at PC World and had already taken pretty much one of every video card available out of the "returns" cage in the warehouse. I also knew some dodgy guys back then who were breaking entire office sized PC lots every week, and I got some amazing hardware from those guys for nothing except the time it took for me to help them out. I wasn't short on hardware. But I never came across a Rage Fury Maxx, or a Matrox Parhelia. Those are the two cards missing from my collection, and the two I most wanted back in the day.
Prices now on eBay for both are insane, unfortunately.
Really sad, the last one I used was 8x agp G400 max which featuring bump-mapping at the time. Matrox Millenlium was the 2D king, the most impressing was the picture quality that beat all others competitors.
Best card I ever had was a Matrox G450... Combined with an intel p400, it ran like a dream.
Homeworld was sooooo smooth. And to be honest, the graphic card industry need another manufacture or two.
I had one of these for flight sim over 3 monitors. This was back in the day before ultrawide monitors were a thing and it was amazing. Was fantastic for productivity too. Was way ahead of its time for what I needed. Civ and age of empires were damn good too. I still don't have as good a productivity setup even now but that will change sometime next Yr when I get an ultrawide. Great video!
Make a video about the Nexus 5X. They go for around 60 to 30 dollars on E-bay, even cheaper sometimes. The Nexus 5X also has a huge XDA modding community, making a great video.
I actually played WoW with this card, cleared Black Temple and Sunwell Plateau, and went up to Ulduar in the Lich King expanssion :))). This was actually one of best video cards for 2D graphic arts, photography, the reason I used it.
nice video and i also love the ty the tasmanian tiger music u had in the vid great choice of music
So nostalgic! - I have some Matrox cards in my collection - PCI Matrox Mistique (1996), PCI Matrox G200 and AGP Matrox G450 - I even use for a while PCI G200 when my video card fails!
It was a different time. The big thing Matrox had support for more than 3 monitors. Most cards at the time only offered 1 or 2 monitor support. They also was the low end market for drafting, and had cards that supported Coax based RGB composite. They still make kinda graphic chips.They make a large number of physical chips for Lenovo, Dell, and HP IMMs/IMIMd. Server intetfaces to control hardware.
Oh, the nostalgia of it all... not a gamer myself, but used a Parhelia with a Millenium G400 as a three monitor set up for Design work (CAD & Web mainly). Loved this card. Really crisp displays and (as you said) almost no OS support issues. Switched to nVidia when I could no longer get Matrox and still running 3x monitors but currently with a GT730 (4Gb running 2 mon) and GT610 (1Gb running 1) - contemplating an upgrade to a GTX 1660 6Gb and three new DP Iiyama monitors, even though I no longer work on design - kinda got used to the screen real estate of 5760 x 1080 :-) Great video - thanks for doing it.
3:10 What a track from Sega GT 2002
Digging the Sega GT 2002 music
Okay so.... The music... That's from Sega gt 2002 isn't it?
Make a video on the final PowerVR card, the Kyro II. I wanted to Kyro III to come out only for ST to pull out last minute and force Imagination Technologies to go mobile
PowerVR had some potential. Some really interesting tech on their cards.
I had a Kyro II. I couldn't believe how cheap it was for the performance it had. I was sad to see them not develop that concept further.
Power be still makes phone gpus though, right?
@@faolor6468 yeah but after arm started selling Mali, Apple started making their own GPU and QUALCOMM has the Adreno only a few Chinese companies are using the PowerVR. Think they might get killed off in a few years.
Ran quite a few Matrox cards back in the day from the G200 all the way through to a PCIe Parhelia. We mostly sold them to clients in the graphics space, multiple monitor support, great resolution support and very high quality image production. Not great for gaming but I had access to the cards through work where I could usually pick up a previous generation we still had in stock for next to nothing. The "Gaming" cards we stocked never stayed in stock long enough to get a good deal on. The Parhelia was impressive next to the productivity focused G series we sold a lot of but sadly was eclipsed (badly) by much faster Radeon cards and even the Geforce 4 was faster. Most people gaming back then were focused on resolution and quality settings, this was the era where 30fps was considered the bar and you pushed for that at the highest resolution and quality settings you could get out of your card. The Parhelia just didn't have the prestige of Geforce or Radeon and as such, many gamers overlooked it, even if they picked up a lower end Nvidia or ATI GPU that was actually slower. By the time Parhelia was phased out you could pick them up pretty cheap, cheaper than slower, lower tier cards from the competition but only a few people really knew that and by this time there were already games that wouldn't run properly on the card thanks to poor DX9 support.
If a game ran on openGL the parhelia did well but a lot of titles shifted the DX route thanks to the huge jump in features from DX8 to DX9. Microsoft really wanted to push XP as THE gaming OS and did all they could to make DX the API of choice for AAA developers.
Great video, lots of nostalgia here.
Nobody did that we ran fast as possible 60fps was bar u basically keep most settings high turned aa off
30fps was doom era
Pro 2d outpout, high refresh rate, early d3d and opengl, two vga/dvi out ... Was a pro league and my big love
I bought a cheap mystery graphics card at a recycler because it was 64-bit PCI-X. Turns out it was a Parhelia, which I think is the only graphics card to ever be built for the interface, making it arguably the best option for a second high-speed video card back in the AGP era when otherwise you'd be stuck on basic 32-bit PCI for a second card.
i used to work for matrox, it was impossible for them to compete against the big, they just had a good start in the gaming community.
I'm a simple man, I see AGP, I click.
Do you know the history of Trident video cards ? I'm probably able to just type that in the search, but you covered this very well. Nice Job! :D
I had a Matrox Millennium and I loved that thing in its day. Loved the video!
That was the golden era of Matrox. 2D graphics king. S3 is scrap.
Matrox did bring some neat tech to the industry such as EMBM. I remember with the G200/400 series when they introduced it was amazing. They are also the multi-monitor king
The sweet spot was back in the Voodoo days having a G400 with a V2. I really was a huge fan of them and wished they had kept up with the comp.
I would think a g400 especially the max on its own would hold up well to a voodoo2. The g200/400 were really good cards on their own till Nvidia released the geforce. Everything matrox did after the g400 was pretty much a rehash of the g400 core with smaller silicon process and higher clocks till the parhelia came along. But yeah back in the day pairing a matrox millennium/mystique with a voodoo card was probably the ultimate setup.
@@d0ugk OH it did! What I meant as a sweet spot was the best of both worlds at the time. I remember using a utility called 3D switcher that allowed you to switch between the voodoo or other GPU (ATi, Nvidia, Matrox, PowerVR, etc... ) Remember back then some games were optimized to specific API/GPU and ran better on Voodoo than other cards.
"So we all heard about "
Well actually never but it looks interesting xD
I love the Ty the Tasmanian Tiger music.
There is a second revision of the card, there's a node shrink, and it gets about 20% clock boost, 256MB VRAM, and keyed for AGP 8X slot.
There was no market for it and I believe they were made mostly to do RMA on the 128MB 4X card that came out. It's almost impossible to find. I only got it after staring at eBay for a year.
Thanks very much for this. I had a Matrox Millenium in my pre 2000 build; used it to run Falcon 4.0 :-D It was a pretty decent card, but was quickly overwhelmed by all the new 3D games coming out. When Parhelia was announced, it was too expensive for me, and so went for a Sapphire ATi 9500 upgrade.
Never owned or knew anyone with a Matrox card. I went through the years of 3dfx and then straight to ATI.
I remember I was so hyped about this card. All the hardware magazines were feeding the hype train as Matrox was promising ground breaking new technologies. A huge 512 bits memory bus, super high quality and fast AA, displacement mapping, multi-texturing etc... And it all died when the first reviews came out.
By the way, Super Sampling (not the fast FAA 16x) was not exclusive to the Parhelia. It was available on all Geforces and Radeons of the time, it was in fact the first type of AA to be used by graphics cards. But it was so taxing on resources that non one really bothered turning it on.
I love the use of KOTOR music here.
I remember having fond memories of the first PC I built that I had specced out with the Matrox Marvel G200-TV, as I wanted to do actual video editing at home and had some experience at work with the Matrox Digisuite MJPEG capture cards. I was impressed at the time, although as I recall there wasn't great support for video editing software beyond the bundled package. I did game a bit and wasn't unimpressed with what it could do, even though it likely wasn't the best available.
In the end I think I ended up replacing the card with an ATI card and a Pinnacle capture card that I had gotten relatively cheaply through work, so it didn't end up being as good as I had hoped. Still it seemed pretty cutting edge at the time, as I recall it. always wondered what had happened to Matrox after I jumped ship, so thank you for the interesting history lesson.
Good job I really found this interesting..I once owned a matrix G200
My first AGP card was a Matrox Marvel G400-TV blew peoples minds in 99 and a few years later that i was capturing TV and sharing it with people a thing called bittorrent
Proundly running a Matrox M9138 Graphics card in my work PC. It's awesome :)
2:15 back when tech demos used comic sans
I saw an ad for them a couple of weeks back. Apparently they moved into machine vision space (manufacturing, automated assembly lines, etc). I was surprised to see they are still around. Back in the day I had the millenium card and it wasn't bad for the time.
I'll never forget the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, that card screamed power.
I remember cause I was rocking a Geforce 4 Ti 4600 and it could not handle Doom 3. But that Radeon 9700 Pro chomp through that game with ease with that DirectX 9 support.
NVIDIA had moved to the Geforce FX line and that card was a flop.
Wow its being years since the last time I saw a Matrox card
Half way through the video... the badassery of the Parhelia was triple-head gaming. Play UT2004 on three screens... I warped my table from having 3x21" CRTs on it... so worth it!
Matrox didn't bite the bullet, they are still going today. They shifted their focus away from end users and into the medical/scientific field and more recently into capture and streaming for the professional world. They realised early on that dealing with end users is a pain in the ass lol. They make hardware similar to Extron but more on the computer controlled kind of thing.
I'd recommend watching the video
@@BudgetBuildsOfficial I did
Matrox still makes graphics chips. The rub the Dell IDrac. and Lenovo IMM. Server firmware.
Love my Matrox Mystique G200. Was my first GPU. Original card went bad few years ago, but I couldn't let go of it, so I bought another one. Even have the 8mb VRAM upgrade. In 2D it can process HD windows desktop applications effortlessly. Gaming-wise, best kept at 800x600. I loved running demoscene files on a G200. Matrox chips were popular with shader junkies.
I remember when the Millenium was the top 2D card. Stuff I could not buy since I was still in school.
I bought a Parhelia 512 around 2004. I don't know what I was thinking.
For me, this GPU in 256Mb variant is some interesting for using in server with pci-x. Can it be used in today's Linux distro normally?
At the same time, Number 9 : graphics cards smashed Matrox. I had Number 9's and were side kick of Silicon Graphics. The filters on Number 9's set them apart.
This is convenient timing, I just installed drivers for a matrox G200eH today on my Haswell based server
google is watching
These were particularly attractive in a world where ATI and NVidia could only support two displays per card. That era did not take long to end. Though 3D surround spanning did take quite a few more years.
If you were gonna need an extra graphics card anyway because the Matrox ain't a performer... You could run 4 displays off two NV/ATI cards instead.
never knew this a gaming card, I was running 3 monitors for video editing, it was perfect
Sega GT 2002 music. Classy, you have my respect.
Last tense :(
That one hurt....
Awesome throwback to Sega GT!
Ah Matrox! They still exist you know. They're just a bit west of Montreal. ATi still exists too. They're just a bit north of Toronto. I'll never forget just how odd the Matrox Millennium card was. It looked like two cards sndwiched together like a folded slice of pizza. We Canadians seem to be pretty good at tech. LOL
Matrox makes lots of frame grabber cards now, which are used in computer vision applications
whats the concreat thing that you had the card sitting on in the first 20 seconds of the video?