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When I was visiting family up North, my Nephew brought his old (late 80s/early 90s) Firebird to his Dad's house to look at since he had a fuel smell and the brakes were needing to be pumped up sitting at lights. A quick look underneath answered the question. The fuel line and the brake lines rusted through and were spraying a fine mist of fuel and brake fluid through the hole in the floorboard and soaking the carpet padding. The car still ran good so he wanted to just replace the lines, but I told him the car is a unibody and relies on the floor, roof, everything for much of it's strength. If he got hit on the side the other vehicle would be in the car with him. All that fuel and brake fluid (also flammable) soaked into the carpet would be ready to burn if anything sparked as well. He took the car to the junkyard and said goodbye.
Here in Florida we junk cars that look good aside from sun faded paint, but are mechanically worn out to the point of non-repair. Up there, they junk yards are full of low mile engines that came out of cars that rusted to death. It seems like we should all meet in Tennessee and make one good car out of every two!
Yep. Very true. I’m from up north, and almost everything old is rusted out around here. That’s why back in 2010 when my dad was going to buy a classic muscle car, he bought a 1971 Camaro with a 454 big block engine and 700R4 transmission from Arizona with no rust at all. It’s been garage kept for the last 14 years and still has no rust. Around here, most of the classics for sale are overpriced and rusty
@@Thatrandomguyonyoutube547 Yeah my Neice from up North needed a new to her cheap car so she came to Florida and bought one, then drove it home. A $6K car (pre-covid so it was decent) up there would be rusty and crusty. Here you just have to make sure it wasn't in the ocean during a hurricane🙂.
@@mikelemoine4267 Must be nice to not worry about rust all the time when buying used cars. Around here, it took so long to find a decent used car under 8k with no rust. Ended up with a 2015 Escape 1.6T with 159,000 miles. The car ran great and had no major issues until a tree fell on it at 165,000 miles and totaled it. It was sad, because that was a good car with no rust. It was going to be hard to find another one with no rust in our budget, but luckily, my uncle was selling his 2012 Santa Fe with only 50,000 miles and no rust. He wanted to sell it fast, so he sold it to me for only 4k. It’s been great for the 9 months I’ve been driving it.
Dude......this is an AMAZING idea!!!!!
Sad for the owner. The car is gone. Some fluid film and regular cleaning and maintenance might have helped 100k miles ago. Too late.
Unreal what a little fluid film will do
Underbody wash in winter to rinse off the salt loaded slush.
Keeping the car in a garage in winter while daily driving is another death sentence
@@RetroCaptain is it better to daily drive and park outside?
@@tysone1254 In winter yes because above minus 10C the salt continues to damage the floor of your vehicle.
If outside and below -10 the salt stops it's active corrosion or slows down.
@@tysone1254 The daily melt/freeze/salt accelerates the corrosion.
Are you kidding? Up here in the north that’s considered showroom fresh. We consider it ok to see the road between your feet as long your shoes aren’t dragging on the road.😮
still could get 60k miles out of that
@@northsparkz2914 5:35 bro that's patina, absolutely solid and I'll take that on a cross country trip any time no doubt
Like Fred Flintstone’s car.
I'm from Minnesota can verify lol
I live in salty Michigan.
Try ‘fluid film’, it helps
I have a 2000 Nissan Xterra 5 speed it's only got 109,000 on the odometer runs great . Yet, the Undercarriage is Swiss cheese. I thought to pull the drivetrain and save it until I found another hull. Thank you for your video!
Please explain how the rust and brake caliper are causing those emission codes as you are intimating the codes will clear up with the brake fix?
thats in good shape for the north because it would pass the screw driver test for the frame
You know it’s serious when the prospecting hammer comes out
I wonder if the owner bought that car from a southern dealer who got it cheap from up north?
I had to pull out my Highway to Hell cassette out.
Wrong in Minnesota you do not lift from the pinch seam ! It hasn't existed for the last 5 years 😂 id drive that ive swapped engines in worse impalas 🎉 done 3 sets of brake lines in a 03 Sierra due to rusting away lol in rust we trust
Don't blame you.
I would say EEERRGH. On turning any wrench on that
Bucket... hilariously. New brakes might snap it in 2 😂😂😂😂😂
That oil leak is part of the anti-corrosion system, lol.😅
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i got an oil leak🤦🏿♂️😂. but my truck is from sc and im in ohio now, gonna have to sand down that surface rust and re-prime and pant the frame and maybe the inside of the fender panels😮💨
@@Carloss80k I spray chainsaw bar oil inside my rear wheel wells from inside the bed, and have never had any rust.
@@davidswick8353 im doing that then. i have fluid film already so i dont want to throw it out. its six cans of spray
@@Carloss80k I also use fluid film and wool wax.
Car dealers and manufactures are like "If only every state used salt on every road... and all year".
Not that bad in Utah from what I heard from my friend. They key is that it is dry down there
The southern states deem it unnecessary because they get very little if any snow and the states find it unnecessary in the summer months 😜.
If she had gotten some undercoatings done, this wouldn't have happened. The funny part is if she had this joke mechanic would be complaining about the mess under the car. I'd never in a million years let someone leave my shop with their brakes ready to fail. He had it right the first time. "I need to fix these brakes before accessing anything else."
Salt everything.. like the romans.
I'm one to keep an old car going. It's much cheaper than a new car payment.. To a point. I have also sent my cars off to the bone yard BEFORE they get that bad.
100% agree. Keep the old one going if the repairs don't break the bank. A new car most certainly will as they charge 'add on' fees like nitrogen air in the tires, paint sealant and other bull shit stuff.
@@glennfields8121 You make a good point. I will not buy a new car, not only because they are so expensive, but interacting with dealerships is painful. I've bought one new car in my life, about 20 years ago, and will never do it again.
bad? 5:35 bro this looks fine that's a solid frame if I've ever seen one
I’ve never understood how anyone can afford vehicles in the north..it’s as if you’re always making a payment..they don’t survive long enough to get any real use out of them
Lol, yeah, it sucks.
I have a 2011 Ranger no rust at all, live in Michigan
This impala got to 167k. Pretty good use for a Chevy in my book.
Undercoating regularly helps a lot
@@andreyd8116 The Impala I just bought for my girlfriend has 207k miles and runs like a top.
"This car is from up North" I feel attacked...... Just kidding; I'm in upper Ohio and even I can tell you if you don't keep an eye on your underside, it'll look like this.
Rust even here in Ohio is an uphill battle. Anything over 5 years old usually has enough on it that by the time something needs repair, swearing, cursing openly and even a little screaming are involved. To be a mechanic up here, even a shade tree like me; you gotta like causing your own pain.
Come North of the border - it doesn't get any better and usually the results are much worse
I'm a wrencher in Vermont and I feel you lol. Everything is either rusty or brand new 😂😂
Ontario cars checking in - I recently sold a 2005 Sonata with very little rust on/under it. My 06 Corolla with 380k on it has absolutely solid rails adn door bottoms.
This car is not a mess, it has a few years left in it, mechanic is just lazy, lol there's not much rot here. Give it 2-3 years, it'll be gone.
I'm from Kentucky and I don't buy ANY vehicle from north of the Ohio river without a serious inspection...but the motorcycles usually have less miles 😊
I live in montreal quebec canada so .... withing 5 years if the car didnt had a rustproofing treatment it is bad....
I kept my dad's 1987 300 turbo diesel going because Everytime I looked at it I saw him.. it was emotional my mechanic would tell me why are you fixing this the frame is rotting out " the car is not worth it, everyone has a reason even if it's not worth it to you.. it's worth it to me just to see it in the driveway & the nostalgia, there's more then just is it worth it to fix it really depends on the customer, give your opinion as a mechanic but I got upset when the dude said "'this car needs to be junked" felt like he was trashing my pops, people do get emotional ties to cars & may keep them for many reasons
Yup. That's why im putting an engine into a 1992 Ford escort. The engine is worth more than the entire car. I felt bad for this lady because she just bought the car in January. I miss my dad too. Thanks for your comment & watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
One of the best cars ever. Don't blame ya, straight six turbo diesel....yessir and built like a tank
Try watching the British series named car sos.
I cant be the only wisconsin guy thinking "its not that bad, you cant see the bottom of the carpet from underneath it yet"
It still goes up !
exactly wtf do these people think a winter beater is?
Stupid stinking Salt and other garbage thrown on the roads. Hypocrisy, so meny politicians on a rant for the environment. Imagine what this crap does when it washes off into streams, the ground, etc. The rusty cars are an example of how bad these chemical soups are.
You're absolutely right! Thanks for your comment. Keep wrenching 🔧
It's brine they spray. I'm a plumber and a lot of people in my county have poisoned wells because of it too. It destroys water heaters and eats copper pipe from the outside. If it's bad enough they get a $12k check from the county or state. It's insane
You try driving in a Minnesota ice storm in January without a salted road and see what happens.
@@DanaTheInsane Try driving the roads around here WITH your beloved salt. It is almost like people enjoy slamming into each other. Driving skill, prudence and having proper winter tires instead of half bald rounded shoulder all season tires makes a huge difference. Salt will not save you from poor driving decisions.
@@sunoclockoneday2576 so very true. And from an expert. Thank you for upholding what I mentioned.
Pinch welds at the rockers are not good lift points unless new and even the changing a tire with a jack can bend them. Always use the main frame or unibidy. This is why i wont let anyone work on my stuff.
Engineers would disagree with you.
Engineers work for people who sell new cars.
Lifted that car up with no fucks given. At least use a lifting block.
Bingo...show him what he's won Bob. Frame points are always where you want to jack or lift from.
only pickup trucks and vans are lifted on the frame, normal cars on the reinforced pinch welds as shown by the arrows on the car
Kenny you are a brave guy, I would not be standing under that thing with it up in the air and all that rot 😂
That is true unless you know what you are doing.
@@glennfields8121such wise words
@@glennfields8121u can know what ur doing, but rust is rust
@@glennfields8121 the jack points are crushing in due to the rot. Pretty lucky
I mean, it's not a pickup truck, it's a unibody so the pillars of the cab and fenders and quarter panels are all helping to hold the structure together. A pickup truck relies purely on the frame rail so there's always that chance the bed could snap off from the cab.
My independent mechanic explained why he did'nt want to fix my old Subaru anymore because there were so many things needing repair. He could have charged me thousands but he suggested I get rid of it instead. I took his advice, and from then on I knew I could trust him.
Issues like that are both mutually advantageous for both of you. Emotions get involved when you have a car that keeps breaking down and then you start to question the mechanic even though many system failures are un-related to each other. Any car can actually last for ever if you’re willing to dump any amount of money into replacing every part. But truly is it worth it when the car isn’t special? That is the question.
@@Howie262 definitely not worth dumping that much money into a typical passenger vehicle
Here in NY, that would just be considered surface rust! New cars here come right off the lot with that much rust! Southern mechanics don't realize how good they've got it!
I am so glad we don't have to deal with crap like that in NC. We have 25 and 30 year old cars running around with zero rust everywhere.
You know he's in NC, right? Plenty of those rust buckets make it down here for sale because people down here don't suspect it. Seen it so many times.
@@johnaclark1 Right, but as someone who used to live in Michigan, I can promise you that it is barely an issue here compared to almost every car over the age of 5 being near rotted out there. Rusted out cars do surface from time to time from being brought from the rust belt, but it is not an every day issue.
@@WalterKnox Vehicles from the NC coast can be just as bad, if not worse than ones that have been driven through 37 Michigan winters.
@@michigandon I mean, I am in Wilmington quite a bit, and know several people who live right on topsail island, which is very salty and I haven't seen many cars which are completely rotted out like they get in places where they salt the road heavily. Even having worked at a used car lot which we have owned since the 1980s. I could count them on one hand.
Outer Banks here… This isn’t that bad with rust. Look at any truck or car. Have a 2007 F150 and spray it underneath every time I drive it on the beach. He pointed out some bad spots but nothing worth trashing the car over. The whole hub assembly seems fine compared to anything Ive seen daily out here.
This car is every single one of em in Illinois lol. If it’s 4 years or older
Pretty much unless it's a garage queen with a climate controlled garage and never driven in rain or snow.
Not all of them.
. I purchased an 08 impala from Illinois in fl with 0 rust. Whoever had it never drove it... it only had 68,000 miles.
@@meak13that's kind of irrelevant unless you know when the car made it's way to Florida. Or, the reason it could have so few miles is it was seldom winter driven. If you daily a car on your commute during winter with salt on the roads the frame will eventually rot if you're not undercoating yearly. Your car is not exempt from the laws of chemistry lol
The dealership had just bought it at auction from Illinois. Only 1 previous owner.
I personally try to keep my vehicles as long as I possibly can, usually ten to twenty years, until the cost to repair us no longer feasible but I do live in west Texas! Thanks Kenny!!
@goodcitizen64 - I'm the same way! I will keep it going as long as it makes sense economically & is not a safety issue. The customer needs to let go of this one. Thanks for commenting & watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
@@WrenchingWithKenny this was wild to me I've got a 1993 Accord with no rust on it at all... Seeing this much on a car half it's age is wild
Looks like my old truck! Twenty years old, 246K still runs like a champ. Sold it to a friend, he's still driving it!
Park outside in a northern winter if you can. Keep it cold. Parking in a heated garage in winter means every night it thaws out and rusts with all the salt. Vehicles last much longer when always kept outside in winter.
Just bought a 2011 impala $1500...150k Put it on the lift very little rust but I will be using it as a beater car so it will be fluid filmed every year here in southern new jersey they use magenisum chloride as the road salt...it should be made illegal to be used on the roads it will rust a car even when the car is dry...if not wash off.... I have seen many cars rust away in less than 6yrs.
This poor car did all it could to keep people going point A to B and never leaked a drop of anything. It should leaked a ton of oil on the subframe and unibody to keep it from rotting out so bad. I am truly heartfelt for the owners because I've been here having no money and told my car is done for. I had to borrow money from my best friend and family to buy another POS car to get me by so I could get back and forth to work and not be fired.
The amount of salt they put on the roads seems excessive....Looks like they hosed it down with battery acid....The unplated bolt heads under the hood told their own story. Spray from the vehicle in front...🤔🤔😮😳🇬🇧
An underbody wash after every snowstorm helps alot ! Most car washes offer this service !
Lawn sprinkler with a soap bottle attached inline, do it in your driveway when temps go above freezing. Beats paying $14 every time they salt the road.
Brakes squealing and grinding? Turn up the radio. Problem solved.
Now that is a 'redneck' solution to the problem if I've ever heard one!! LOL
Can’t turn down a car crash when your brakes stop working
Easiest way to fix a toyota
Fluid Film as an annual treatment in the rust belt. Salt will kill these cars faster than mechanical issues.
Woolwax is a more recent product and lasts longer. Can be applied with a brush too!
In the Chicago area this is totally normal and just getting broken in. Probably 3-4 more years at least.
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@@ericwhitehead6451krazy part is the guy is serious 😂
The salt dumped in the area is unreal!
100% not even lying. Almost every car has rust even the new ones.
@@schemeteam2954 Oh I know, I've seen cars from Chicago and Illinois! 😂
Back in my mechanic days, I told several people that I would not work on their vehicle because it is too rotted out and unsafe to drive. I'd show them the hoist legs embedding themselves in the thin, corroded frame members and let their car down. I won't even trust it up in the air. Bye Bye!
Junk yard time. I wouldn't fix it. Wouldn't want the liability.
I'm struggling with several...too many customers that don't want to give up on their vehicles due to rust. Even though I speak with their best interest at heart, they don't want to accept the reality. It also gets depressing working on these rust buckets. Other than flat out refusing to work on them anymore, not sure what else can be done.
lol,I own a shop and have the same thing,new cars have gotten so expensive people are hanging on to them too long now,ya gotta charge extra for rust and refuse the stuff that’s too much of a liability
@@cindyeva7454 100% , they just won't let go.
@@peterl2017 yeah they prob need it to get to work and live inside... those damn people wanting to keep their job AND live inside.... fuck them right... Ya act like people have a fucking choice..
Probably don't want to give up on their vehicles because of the cost of getting a new one.
Why do people put up with that.
I am from Eastern Washington State.
We average 4 to 5 feet of snow in winter.
We plow and sand and use a little deicer, no salt.
We have 20 year old daily drivers here.
My 96 T-100 has minimal rust.
The cars today are expensive and depreciate quickly enough under normal circumstances.
Let’s salt our roads, and really throw our money away.
I’ve lived in Washington state your winters are a lot more mild than Minnesota
@@DanaTheInsane There are two Washingtons, Eastern and Western. The winters in Eastern Washington are much harsher than Western. Probably not as harsh as Minn. but we do get a fair share of snow, 5 feet per year where I live.
I wouldn’t 100% blame the owner I think they need to stop using so many chemicals on the roads. All it dose is wreck the underside of vehicles and wreck the roads themselves. I live in Canada way up north and they don’t use chemicals they will plow the roads and throw down rocks for traction. Everyone here knows to drive in the tracks of other cars and winter tires help with that. All salt and other chemicals do is destroy the roads and the vehicles.
Put that hammer down. You're ruining my car. Lol 😆
When the economy goes like it is. We will be seeing a lot more cars trying to get repairs in this condition. Car is not safe. if you do the brakes the fuel lines will rupture then what is next.
Exactly
in Canada this car is still worth $3000 here all 10-15 year old cars are in worse condition
😳 are there safety inspections in Canada or? Don't get me wrong, in some states here in the US this vehicle would be deemed road worthy. IMO it's one hard stop from disaster.
So way to be a scummy..
Listen it's not up to you..
What if these people DON'T have the money for a new car but a brake job might just get them by long enough to get a new one..
Swallow your opinion, and do the job that the customer ASKs of you.
It's not your right to not fix a car because of rust...
I have a 1997 f250 with FRANE patches and still going strong...
Consider what people have to pay for new vehicles these days and do your job...
As a proud former owner of an 08 impala myself, I had almost everything we saw here. My car lived its whole life in New York and funny enough I had the matching rot holes in the bottom of the wheel wells around the place where the subframe and unibody meet. Also had the classic 3.5 oil pan+filter housing leak as well. Hell even the secondary air codes is what got me into fixing my own car as a now 23 year old I would have never gotten into the automotive TH-cam world had my car never thrown reduced engine power at me because I ignored the secondary air code for so long. I “knew a guy” for NYS inspection and had my e brake cable zip tied up to the lower control arm in the rear because it rotted in half like the one here. What did my car in for me was the rotted fuel lines, and for this customer it’s pretty obvious the days left on those lines are numbered. I knew about the rot holes I had in the unibody but by the time my fuel lines were rotted out I had managed just north of 180,000 miles and I knew I had to send it to the crusher. It was a 3LT and had almost everything the LTZ had short of a 3.9 Bose stereo, the bigger wheels, FE3 suspension and chrome door handles but it was the best first car I could’ve ever asked for. Those impalas came a dime a dozen and all the parts I needed I could find either at the junkyard or pretty cheap elsewhere.
Hello,
My fuel lines in both my 1979 van and my 1984 Oldsmobile are soft copper and yes, i bought a $300.00 hydraulic double flaring tool in order to double flare stainless steel tubing. And yes, i have tubing benders so that i may properly shape into place ss or copper tubing neatly like i,m running electrical tubing/conduits for electrica installations wheather it be building premise wiring or wiring on an industrial automation machine, my work in ths electrical trade can be in place for even longer than 100 years while the automotive trade most vehicles especially in rust belt states can go to the crusher as litttle as 10 years or less.
miss Paula Walach- former industrial electrician, licensed since 1972 and still workkng full time- union member of IBEW
Funny video. I have seen much worse. Most people that don't live in the rust belt understand rust. I see cars and trucks that drive around with missing rockers all the time. Bottom of the doors totally rotted out. They are used as winter beaters.
Must be an Ohio car. Actually in very good condition if it's a salt bath ohio car. My 02 GP is much worse and still driving it!
We get 1" of snow and 3" of salt and calcium chloride. Never buy a used vehicle from Ohio!!!
I've done rust repair for years. That car is junk, for sure. That would not fail in NY. Fails in PA though.
Its funny because if you where a northern mechanic you wouldnt have job saying this car is done... i agree its bad but its still ok for 2 or 3 years.
yea, those members are GONE. without full frame restoration its a hazard.
Everyone and car manufacturers blame rust on the environment . More Chromium and Nickel in truck frames would help frame quality . Box tubing truck frames are trash . Even a large under the chassis weather shield would help .
Do you not have inspections in america? There's no way this car deteriorated this much in a year.
just don't live in a road salt shit hole, simple as
We saw a lot of that kind of rot from flood cars too. Especially the ones that were sitting in salt water, hurricane cars. Thanks for commenting & watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
It’s rotten and they aren’t even trying to keep up with the maintenance.
I live up North in Jersey City.
I have a rusty old truck with 375,000 miles cab corners are rotted wheel well on bed are rotted and rusty.
I’m thinking about buying a new bed maybe painting the frame when it is removed.
Frame is still solid Diesel engine is still running good, could probably get a replacement turbocharger and clean the inter cooler and pipes inside.
I don’t think I’m ready for a new truck they want too much money $80,000 or more for a stripper model I can buy a lot of diesel fuel with $80,000
Those BMW 7 series hybrids are not worth fixing once the hybrid battery craps out but a gen 2 or gen 3 Prius is worth fixing once the battery craps out. Stay far away from German hybrids. Stick with Toyota or Lexus hybrids.
I completely agree with you! Thanks for your comment & watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
there shouldnt be an inspection, God I love freedom, no emission testing no inspection.
Got that right.
Until you put others at risk.
The number one killer in cars is excessive speed..... by far. Equipment failure barely makes the list. Lowering the speed limits and enforcing them with speed cameras would save way more lives...... do these same safety Nazis want that?
@@plum4620but the state can put us at risk by not maintaining their roads and bridges? Make it make sense...
Poe
rust is a way of life in the rust belt we just deal with it that car is NOT that bad yet .yes it has rust but still has life left in it.
Malarkey! Come on, man!! It's got at least 20 years left
You would be out of a job in northern wisconsin. This is literally what every single vehicle more than 5 yrs old looks. Maybe you could make it at a dealership where you only deal with new cars...If a little bit of common rust scares you off... Wouldn't wanna get your fingers dirty now would we....Your paid to do a job. If you refuse to do it... not sure how you intend to pay your bills... wouldn't work here....Ain't no one paying you to pound holes in my frame either....
Agree with everything you said. Here in upstate New York they virtually _pave_ the roads with salt and it's visible on the surface for five months out of the year. And you're right. This guy would be out of a job if he tried to make it here as an independent mechanic. Just look at the absolutely stunning work that some TH-cam mechanics accomplish, bringing abandoned literal hulks back to roadworthy condition that were pulled out of junkyards or deep woods, sometimes sunk into the ground up to their undersides (!). Check out channels like Turnin Rust and Junkyard Digs. This car would be a weekend job for those guys. For sure, Ken is doing the right thing by informing the customer about the car's condition, but he should also inform the customer about the alternatives to scrapping it, maybe recommend them to vehicle restorers like the ones here on TH-cam and let him or her make the final decision. It may not be economically justifiable but some vehicles have a value to their owners that goes beyond dollars and cents. 🔧
I fix most everything my self
That's fantastic! I'm sure you wouldn't have purchased this in the first place. Thanks for leaving a comment & watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
Quebec here ! We see this everyday, salt roads from december to april , even with undercoating and washing doesn't stop salt after couple years
Yeah, even some brand new cars fresh of the lot have undercarriage rust.more recently look at the brand new dodge demons 170 they released or the rockers on Chevy Suburbans,tahoes and Yukons. Fords trucks did that too
ive got an 04 caravan, father bought it new. it has a lot of sentimental value for different reasons, its rusty near the rockers very bad although not as bad is this impala. 250K miles on it and running strong everyone tells me to get rid of it including my mechanic due to the rust but like i said im attached to it. eventually ill have no choice but im still holding on
Our van is the sentimental value to us too. Meg calls it the "Marist Red van" she worked at Marist College for many years. So many school trips, vacations & road trip memories, moving house etc are wrapped up in the van. The engine & transmission run great, but the rust is taking a toll. Thanks for sharing your story & keep wrenching 🔧
right there is why i rustproof my cars annually.. ones 11yr and ones 9, and both a nearly mint. drive in salt 4-5 months a year and park in a warm garage
That's a great thing to do, especially if you're in the 'rustbelt'. Thanks for your comment and for watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
Up here in Ohio that’s not even a car we would turn away yet lol. I’ve seen a lot worse than that still driving unfortunately
I bet! You're in the rust belt. You have probably seen some doosies! Thanks for your comment. Keep wrenching 🔧
Well Kenny, I think we all know how it passes inspection. What we don't know is the customer's situation, but it got to be hard to take on liability for fixing a car like that. For example, " my car wasn't leaking gas until you worked on my brakes". What can you do?
So true.
How does it pass inspection? Is it not required in some states? The thing is a death trap
@@neiliewheeliebinThank God inspection doesn't exist in my state. Bought a solid truck for $1000. Drove it home, then to a storage unit. Brakes and fuel lines probably only had a month of life left in them before they rotted. No muffler on the exhaust, clogged PCV. Don't want the extra hassle and I'm glad I don't have to worry about emissions crap. (Though all of mine pass, but several aren't stock.)
If the were an older Subaru, that would be considered decent body condition lol
Especially if it were an up north vehicle. Keep wrenching 🔧
Definitely a dangerous vehicle
Being from California i find this interesting we still have people driving 70s and 80s cars the paint might be horrible but close to zero rust
2009 wasn't a long time ago.
Thats as bad as we get the same in 🇬🇧 its salt on road in winter acts as a catalyst to corrosion. 😊
I feel bad for the customer. She had no idea when she bought it in January. I don't usually she cars rusted out like that down here. It must have been from up north originally. Thanks for your comment and for watching the channel. Keep wrenching 🔧
Here in Australia they would fall off their chair laughing if we tried to get a car like that through inspection.
You are absolutely right not to work on it. Time to sell it or a wreckers as parts and scrap (oxidised) metal.
Sill enjoyed watching event though you didn’t need a spanner.
Living up here in the northeast. Former Vehicle Condition Inspector. If your don’t properly rust proof you car, if buying new, kiss you investment goodbye. Sad honestly. Had to scrap had to find vehicle after 9 months due to rust. Was only able to savage rare parts from it.
Shoulda sent it here to Alabama, we have no inspection, anything is allowed on the road.
I had that kind of rust on my Mustang GT and decided to tackle the issue... II changed the whole floor pan... Cut and welded new metal everywhere that I could... Its a never ending job...
common sight uphere in upstate NY
this is what happens in northern us with salt....frame gone
Absolutely! I used to see it all the time. Not so much in North Carolina. Thanks for watching the channel & Keep wrenching 🔧
Yikes! My brother had a hand-me-down truck from a relative in Wisconsin (yeah). He pulled into his FIL’s driveway one day and it just kind of imploded: Noises, belching exhaust, etc. there wasn’t anything left underneath to repair.
😳 thankfully no one got hurt. Thanks for sharing your scary experience & watching the channel 🔧
Rust doesn’t look that bad…
😂😂😂😂 it's a crunchy kind of rust
up north this be listed a rust free lol in south it be scrap
167000 miles ( 268000 kilometres)
Oh my God, in Australia that would have been at the scrap yard long ago. Like about 80000 miles back.
Do deal with a lot of rust in Australia? Rust was minimal when we lived on the east coast of North Carolina in USA. The rust was horrendous when we were in New York though.
@WrenchingWithKenny Generally, rust is low, but cars from 60's to 80's had problems. The other problem is with cars from the north and red dust as it contains a lot of iron and will rust everything fast.
That's interesting. Thanks for teaching me something! Keep wrenching 🔧
@WrenchingWithKenny Some of the reason is under consumer protection laws. Used cars must have a warranty. 3 months . With some caveat on mileage and use ,off road and commercial..
Even if don't meet criteria for warranty there is the merchantable quality thing.
A car is a car something to be driven. If can't be driven, it's covered by that law.
Normal for a newer GM product
Reminds me of my Grandma’s Trailblazer. Brand new from the top, horror movie from the bottom. After I repaired the infamous shifter linkage, found both rear control arms broken in half. 19 years old, only 41k miles, but lived it’s life in salt country.
I used to have a 1996 Oldsmobile (88) LSS with the 3.8 V6 engine and that car saw 10 straight years in mid-west salted road winters yet not an ounce of any significant rust anywhere to be found! I feel like those cars in that era were built better back then with more anti-corrosive paints and materials. Now I own an 2005 LeSabre with the same engine and the thing rusts like a son of a gun in the Midwest winters. Those GM 3.8's can go forever! The car they're attached to though it varies!
A very nice example of when to throw in the towel.
Rust In Peace, Impala.
Had "The Talk" with my Mechanic about my 2003 Saturn ION (over 191K miles) this last Month. I kinda "knew" its days were numbered for the last few years... Considering when I had changed the Fuel Filter (2020/2021 170K?) and there was nothing holding the Filter in place anymore and basically any "metal" I touched while working in the area was like it was made of "Sandstone".
Since that time I'd get various things repaired or regular maintenance... Occasionally I'd make/hear comments about how its rusted... But hadn't yet been given "The Talk". For example I have Free Tire Rotations for my Goodyear WeatherReady tires and basically all its Tires for like 15-18 years so it gets on a lift/inspected at least once a year there... The tires are "due" for replacement this Year (or they were)... Last year the Shop had "skipped" the Rotation saying I didn't "need" the rotation, while also saying it was also a Challenge/Hazzard just getting it up on the lift. (Figured they were just being a bit dramatic) For this year's Rotation? No "complaints"/drama or comments about Rust/Lift hazzard, just rotated and a quote for a fresh set of tires...
Afterwards I decided to change its Oil at home, and investigate intermittent Starter and ABS Problems... Well I probably could have pulled the Starter and taken in for Testing but there was a decent amount of rust/Corrosion (not "Sandstone" levels but a "I don't want to break anything and have to get this towed in..." level) so Better to just have it in a shop for "easy" repair I figured, while they check the ABS too... In the past that kind of thing was just a bad Wheel Hub Assembly with Sensor... So figured it'd just be a simple Remove/Replace... But turns out it was on the Back (Drum Brakes) and was going to be a big can of worms, if I wanted to open it.
So... Thankfully my Parents had upgraded my Mom's vehicle last year and had offered to sell me their "trade in"... Since I knew the Maintenance History and (again) "knowing" the Saturn's days were numbered, I bought it as my "Winter Vehicle"/Backup... meaning I wasn't so "shocked", in denial, or desperate to fix my 21+ year old car when I got "the call".
Wish I'd gotten "The Talk" sooner (had just gotten it Registered for another Year, so while I could "drive" in for another 10 months, and if I want to throw another $85 Renewal @ the DMV... It "could" even be on the road til Summer 2026 assuming nothing else goes wrong or falls off the car...
Suppose its a learning experience... as Wingman8447 mentioned some Fluid Film to protect the frame (along with "cleaning" like say unlimited/regular car washes, which I actually started doing last year... It is amazing this kind of service is only just now becoming popular in my area... )
Anyway, Highly recommend having an Honest "Talk" with your Mechanic(s) about one's vehicle(s) Regularly...
Suppose it is easy for an Owner/Shop to sometimes "forget" exactly how "bad" things might be getting and not realize exactly where/what the owner/vehicle's true awareness/condition is...
To be honest, as long as the sub frame & sub frame mounts are solid & nothing connecting any of the suspension parts are at high risk of breaking off. I'd replace the brakes & fuel lines, they might be able to get a couple more years out of it.
I have an old Saturn that is badly rotten underneath, it's hard to find a place to even lift it from anymore, but I haven't junked it because the engine still runs great, it drives good, everything works, the brake lines & fuel tank straps I replaced a few years ago... As long as the suspension isn't at risk of breaking off & the brakes are safe, I think it's worth keeping a while longer, I'm actually thinking about cutting the whole bottom out of it & welding in a replacement from a junkyard car or making my own, because mechanically that car has been so good I almost feel it deserves to be saved xD
I don’t think it would be fun getting into a crash in such death trap, but I’d like to be proven wrong
@@satsumagt5284I mean to be fair, if people drove better it wouldn't be an issue. Lol
@@Callsign_Sturm Nonono, I don’t think people should be driving around in rust buckets. At all.
@@satsumagt5284 I drove home a 1991 Silverado I bought for $1000 last winter, then to a storage unit. Brake and fuel lines looked like Titanic rust from sitting on grass for ages and it was smoking like a pig and had no exhaust, but other than bushings and an A-arm, it was solid as a rock. Just make sure the handbrake is good.
Crash safety only means so much. I have a 2008 HHR with full airbags and really decent crash safety yet I've seen them with their engines pushed well into the cab during crashes.
Now rusted through frames? That's where it starts to get sketchy. You can sometimes weld in new sections but you have to know what you are doing.
Gov needs to find a better alternative to salt because it's destroying what's left of our wonderful, reliable old cars and trucks. Lol
@@Callsign_Sturm i fully agree that crash safety standards are something that evolves over time, and they only are really effective up to a certain speed.
However, you can never have less structural integrity than something with no structure. Thus why I think people should clean their vehicle’s undercarriage more often if they live where the roads get salty.
About the Silverado, nice find. Glad the frame isn’t all crusty
At least it has an aluminum subframe so,its still safe to repair and drive if you are poor. Fix the brakes and roll on.
You want to save someone a lot of money and frustrating, tell them to stay away from GM, Chrysler, Ford, KIA, Hyundai, Audi, BMW, VW, Mercedes to name the few, and if possible, avoid turbo charged engines regardless of the make.
Seems like it was being fixed just to stay on Road as long as possible. Don't blame you for what you did. Time to get another car. It's not a collectors car, probably not that expensive either cheaper to just get another run about
My 2017 Ford explorer has rust holes through the rocker panels, fenders n floor. Less than 8 years old. Recycled rusted steel shipped to china melted down ...made into new steel frFord GM n Chrysler. Get your vehicle rust protected.
rudt sheet metal shredded shipped to china where it is melted down new steel sheetng then shipped back to north American made into GM, FORDS, CHRYSLERS.
Switch to 10W-30 oil and the leak will slow to almost nothing. I would not buy anything by Garbage Motors (GM).
So I’ve told customers to fix their cars and then they have a catastrophic failure and I’m the bad guy and then I’ve told them not to fix them and they buy a new car then complain that they should have fixed there other car. So my opinion check the vehicle over and give a good breakdown but DO NOT advise anyone what to do give them the info and let them make their own decisions.
If you have a good car wash in your area, buy the monthly membership and run it through at least once a week. More in winter.
I'm in Texas so i don't have to deal with this, but I have a buddy up north that tells me about how he can still get LS engines at a good price because running trucks will just rust apart, but the drivetrain in still good...
I have a 1993 Honda. I under coat my car.. NO RUST!! it's a NY car. 😁😁😁😁
I don’t trust any mfr’s steel corrosion warranties, no matter how good they sound. Sure they might cover repair but if they don’t cover replacement, eg Earlier Tacoma frames, VW Jetta fenders in the 2000’s, both recalls not warranties, once a perforation occurs nothing else will do. Annual rust spraying is the only way, with something that creeps not that plastic or rubberized undercoating.
If it doesn’t drip it doesn’t work, driveways and weatherstrip be damned.
I'm glad my 99-00 F-250 has a regular frame. Hardly ever washed, used on a farm, bumper and body panels are starting to get holes, but the frame is solid. Noticed the rear leaf spring top plates are about gone, but that's cheap enough.
I told a lady once that her car was falling apart and she really needed to replace it.
She came un-fucking glued on me about it.
Screaming about how she didn't have the money to do so (which I understood) and everything else.
I was explaining how she was only a few good bumps away from not only losing her car, but quite possibly her own life given the circumstances.
That didn't change anything and she went on about wishing she was dead and basically broke down.
But yea, that's my story 😬
A true professional. 👍👍👍👍 You should take photos for the customer. Without the photos, they will never believe you when you tell them how bad things are.
Good day brother Kenny. Sadly, I am all too familiar with the 'Up North' car syndrome, also known as severe rust and corrosion. I only have 1 car like this and it happens to be a 2008 Ford and it is a Crown Victoria Police Interceptor. Now some good news. It is on a full frame chassis like an F150. I am told that it served it's first 10 years In Massachusetts where the use of road salt is what causes this. I mention full frame because I have also learned that technically it doesn't even need rocker panels other than for appearance. Since I have owned it I have cleaned away as much rust as possible and treated the underside of the car with Fluid Film to begin rust control with the car. I've also used Por 15 on the sides of the frame to make the car look decent and some Silver Rust Bullet where the paint near the bottom sides of the car are to match as closely as possible the silver gray metallic factory paint color. I had to replace the entire parking brake system including every cable on the car. It is in far better shape and condition than when I purchased it and yet it still need some attention to a brake line on the car. It need a mechanic who knows what to do like you brother Kenny. If anyone can fix the minor issue (at least for Kenny it would be minor) it is brother Kenny!!
I totally feel your pain. I've got a 2011 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor that was a service vehicle for the Macedonia PD here in Ohio. Only 80k miles and it looks like it was regularly driven through the ocean. I'm doing like you and slowly fixing all the rust. Gonna be a huge task but they don't make these cars anymore and they're worth saving. Keep an eye on the driver side floor right above the catalytic converter. Mine was completely rotted through and I had to cut it out and make a patch panel.
My 400 dollar shit box after pver a year of drovong finaly cracked the frame. Had rust holes i could almost stick my hand though on the frame 😅