I 100% believe he was roughed up and what he accused the officer of to be true. He just didn't seem intelligent and confident enough to convince anybody he was telling the truth. Proper scumbag screws stuck together and fucked him over. Poor lad
What struck me is that his account of the officer goading him through his cell window sounds very realistic / plausible. You couldn't make up a story like that.
These screws should work sewing mailbags cos they've got " stitching up " down to an art form . I had a cellmate once who was due for release but hed accidentally taken a swallow of a spliff ( he genuinely thought it was a roll up cos he hated ganga it made him paranoid ) and he got piss tested and was sat in the cell crying cos his wife had organized an holiday for him when he got out ( he was in for fraud and was green as fuck ...hed been an accountant ) and I felt sorry for him so I asked about and everybody said " he'll lose time , he's guilty before he goes in to the adjudication " ...so I was looking out of the window and I saw a scruffy old guy picking roll up butts up off the floor and the idea just hit me . I told him to tell them that he'd received bad news and was very depressed and really needed a roll up and that he's ashamed to say that hed picked up some tab ends off the yard floor and it was only when you started to become extremely agitated that you realised there must have been cannabis in one of the tab ends and terrible had a terrible night frought with paranoia....and I'm proud to say that they actually believed him ...it's amazing the bullshit you can come up with when you've got enough time on your hands
What an absolute sham of a hearing. That poor guy was obviously abused and only came forward because of his abuse knowing full well how he could be punished if he was found guilty of filing a false statement.
I grew up in the 80s and in America. I listened to the Smiths band then and there was one album titled, “Strangeways Here We Come.” I just figured out 40 years later what Strangeways meant 😂
You’re displaying all the aspects of someone with confirmed bias Ben, your mind is not capable of critical thought, this makes your opinion on matters such as this null and void. Do better
The lad that withdrew his statement was shook by the screw u can see the body language the way the screw holds his fist and the way the inmate is speaking and his eye contact is everywhere
True that, the officers move inmates around from wing to wing like chess pieces, knowing full well they are moving rivals onto a wing. They even make bets on it. Iv'e seen it.
@@nickyG7515 I was in hmp Bristol some lads robbed a pair of trainers so the screw moved him onto the wing he took them from, day later the lad got cut up and seriously injured.they was laughing talking about it I heard it all .
Loved the ending once they locked the padded cell,one of the screws( prison officer) Say's come on let's go and get our dinner...... great upload by the way.....
The screws especially back then could do basically what they liked ,They Prison Officers Union were all powerful like most big Unions in the 70s & 80s ......
prisons back then were horrendous and half the screws should be imprisoned themselves for their actions. Read A Sense Of Freedom by Jimmy Boyle,it will give you an incredible insight into the depth of brutality they handed out.
@@micahbodha6129 Jimmy Boyle later retracted 99% of what he wrote in his book. A pack of lies written with the sole intent of making money. In his own words “ Something that started out as a good cause became a business and then became a racket.” ~ Jimmy Boyle. Try reading Jimmy’s final book called ‘Money talks & bullsh*t walks’ it’s a brutally honest account regarding his motives to write such unmitigated false accusations. You’ve been fooled and I would advise you in the strongest of terms to desist from recommending it & remove your comment. I bid you good day sir
@@senecaknowledge2274 I have known many former screws, my ex father in law was a PO. Served in the 80s and 90s. Corrupt isn't the word for them , especially in those days. The beatings they gave out were known in their circles as doing "the Lords work".
Governor can you tell me why you want to retract your statement, prisoner i don't want to make a written statement retracting my statement i just don't want no part of it. In other words the screws let him know they would make his life hell if he didn't retract his statement..
I was there in 1982. Brutal place. The biggest problem was the entry requirements to become a screw. No O levels and if you could tie your own shoelaces you were in. Poor standards to become a screw in such a responsible position. I remember Bowen as a lazy lardarse, and as for the "Board of Visitors they were a complete joke as Mrs Redfern and her puppet expertly show. Complete inadequates in every sense. I hope all the cons featured are having a better life now,
If you have to deal with 1000 men who are all criminals using violence is the best way to keep them in order . Why do you think criminals use violence to get what they want ?
Makes me sick watching this as the inmates were always found guilty, the screws always lied. These were just kangaroo courts most inmates pleaded guilty just to try get a lesser loss of time/privileges. Also the screws in the block would happily steam into the cell and give you a good kicking whilst in the block. I was hit with a bunch of keys in the face and badly injured in Strangeways for not answering a screw straight away but I dare not complain as I would have been charged with lying against an officer they would even falsely claim you assaulted them first. The screws made Strangeways a shithole, its a wonder non were killed in the riots. Every inmate back then knew how the prisons were run, its time we got to tell our stories.
@@johnbryant6572. Thanks John its good to know people are taking note regarding these hate factories. I do keep an eye on these historical prison videos, and try to make people aware of the reality that was. I hope all ex inmates who have experienced this state endorsed evil all the very best. As with other prisons Strangeways staff put on a false persona for the cameras and it does not take to much imagination as to what was really going on. I was there in 1980, 10 years after that the riots took place, some non offenders will not understand why this happened. I do not condone the smashing up of a prison but it took such measures to change the way prison was run. Common sense tells me that society in general would sooner at least try to rehabilitate offenders especially low level ones as I was. One last thing I would like to mention, do not think the young prisoners were treated any better than the cons. The fact is the younger and more vulnerable you looked the more likely you were a target for the screws. This was even more worse for minority prisoners such as non whites, gays, disabled etc etc.
@@johnbryant6572 Thanks for that John. Yes I'm aware of the case you mentioned which is actually typical of what the authority's have been able to get away with and have done before and after that case. I have been in many places like the ones you mention. You were in their world and the threat of abuse was constant and metered. Even If you tried to complain you would be punished further so what was the sense. I've seen an inmate with Mental health issues take a serious kicking by screws whilst he was on the floor in a straight jacket on a prison hospital wing. He was obviously no threat to anyone. I do hope things have improved.
Personally I believe that screw attacked that lad, I believe the investigation was biased against the lad. He should have just turned the other cheek kept his head down and get out of that shit hole. Sad case.
"...that sort of instrument could have done that sort of damage to him seems to be irrelevant. I wish it hadn't have been introduced." Translation: This inconvenient piece of evidence would demonstrate that the prison officers are all lying, especially given that the prisoner brought up the issue of testing it for his blood type. Let's ignore it shall we!
If the implement that was allegedly used to inflict the injury isn't relevant to a case where someone is accused of inflicting injury upon themselves, then what is the point of going through the motions of having this "trial" because it's so obviously just for show.
They don't stand a chance. It's not excusing any of their crimes and the pain inflicted upon their victims of crime. There will always be crime, however if we only invested at grass roots we could slash crime rates. The result will not be instant, but it will come. Poverty is the genesis. Young children do not deserve to grow up hungry, in fear or without a stable roof over their head.
Considering the time in number of years past, it has been well documented that Prison Officers did collaborate amongst themselves and they did beat and bully inmates.. I'm not talking about an inmate who assaulted a member of staff and got a kicking for it, many documented cases have proven that occurred. It was how it was done in them days, a nail that stuck out got hammered in! No excuse for the bullying of an inmate, of which I feel actually occurred... I do believe though that an un-official word may of been had between senior officer and the accused officer, not for the incident in question, but what led to his colleagues having to 'have his back' and bringing an investigation on to himself.. I also believe the witness was put under duress to withdraw his statement under some threat or other... It was a very corrupt situation then, eventually they had enough and prisoners would go on to riot in the place, such was the desperation... Just my opinion, I may be wrong, I can only surmise from reading books, watching this to come to this conclusion...
I was a prisoner at Strangeways during the early 80s. From my own personal experience, I believe Mark Leech gives the most accurate description of the Prison in the following extract: "Strangeways was a prison in which I and the majority of others were physically abused, assaulted and brutalised by prison staff. Where the Governor for much of the decade prior to the riot, the long since now dead Norman Brown, turned a blind eye to prisoner assaults, tactically allowing them to continue. It was a prison where staff at lunch time went to the prison club just outside the prison gate and consume alcohol, coming back after lunch a danger themselves and others. Strangeways was a prison where prisoner complaints were ignored with impunity, where people were packed in squalid, vermin-infested conditions, three to a cell designed for one and held there with their human waste for 23 hours a day. It was a prison ruled with a brutal rod of iron by a small band of prison officers, where staff were openly racist, where they wore National Front (white supremacist) badges on their lapels - it was in short a ticking time bomb that on Sunday 1st April 1990 finally exploded."
This inmate can make allegations of abuse from staff all he wants, nothing would come of it. British prisons like Strangeways were full of brutality and abuse of inmates by staff back then. And most of the assaults on inmates by staff were unprovoked.
He is in another documentary, had a hard childhood but ended up being a fairly decent father on the outside, given his previous life. I found it! th-cam.com/video/RC6-sxIZbBk/w-d-xo.html He's at 21:50, for example. It's worth a watch, recommended.
I'm just doing some research on this prison and I'm interested to know whether the interior still resembles what is seen in this documentary? I can't find many photos online. e.g. do they still have the padded cells and the hospital ward? Are the brick walls still coated in gloss paint, or have they rendered the walls since then? Apologies if these questions seem strange.
I wonder what ever happened to lan the bloke who was involved in the bread nicking. As it looks like he would of been in and out all his life. Be interesting to see what became of him Anyone know ????
Mogadon (Nitrazepam) and Librium (Chlordiazepoxide) are VERY strong medications to be giving someone in prison... the poor sod can barely keep his eyes open!
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I've been round alcatraz there's not a lot of diffrence.very similar padded cells with no light and a hole in the floor for a toilet.used to lock them in there for months at a time with no light.
@Sam Armstrong yeh used to love the jellies, they still about? Where?.... I have tried everything with no joy,,, the closest is over the net copies?!? Where can I get um then.....
I was in court for poaching in 1979 when I was 19. Due to my strong northern accent. In court the West Yorkshire police in court emphasised phonetically what I said.
'This is no ordinary court ' it's a kangaroo court . The verdict was guilty before the hearing began. Those screws thought they were gods . Someone with no brains has to do the job I suppose.
No kidding, all them hearings in the nick are kangaroo courts.....screws do fuck all wrong an the ppl in there have to put up with it till they can get a sly dig in ffs.... but prison today, !!! Funking joke of century an its just getting worse...
What a pantomime! From what I recall, from the exact same time, if you made an allegation against a screw, you were immediately threatened with making a malicious allegation, by the governor. "Being the devoted Catholic that I am..." 🤣I had one blanket when I was in the Block, not half a dozen! 🙄
The woman saying that an injury like he has on his face cant be aqquired by a push. maybe she should try it on herself. let someone push her with something in their hand and drag it across her face.. ive been in strangeways and in thoise days the screws were bullies and all stuck up for each other.. in the very first episode an inmate mentions that the place will erupt sooner por later.. and it did in 1990.. iw as there too with paul taylor and alan lord.. lots of complaints were covered up in those days and the prisoners were treated like shit and animals in strangeways
bomberzak I don’t think it’s the ex Army Officers That are the problem! (Obviously there will be a minority in that group) They’ve had proper training and discipline! And a lot had deployment experience... I think it’s the guys who never got a career anywhere else, went from shop jobs, to sales, to building trade etc.. but never stuck it out, then they get a PO job and the power goes to their heads! They feel like the big man boss!! Beta Males! Who are insecure and having to flex power over others! Men who’ve been in the Army don’t have to prove their manhood by bullying others?! My guess anyway!
Gweilo Spur Out of shape Little Man, who couldn’t get into the Police Force?! Or Army?! Beta Male who needs people to flex power over to actually feel like a Man? 😁
@@Foxys1974 The standards to get into the prison service are just as high as the police or the military. I don’t see that their uniforms are any more “poxy” than police or army uniforms. Sounds like someone’s bitter with an axe to grind....
@@gweilospur5877 some people end up in prison for certain crimes they deliberately did not commit. For example, a car crash making 1 simple mistake and possibly killing a family. Does that make them scum? Also you have probably broke the law at some point, so shut the fuck up 😂😂
This is frustrating to watch. The board of visitors biased questions and deliberate overlooking of the actual evidence/facts is so obvious. I'm interested in how this was received by the general public when it originally aired in 1980?
The proof is in the statistics. The question therefore is at that time in 1979 just how many of these investigations eent in the prisoners favour? The answer will reveal the truth.
The only people who say that are sun-reading tossers who have never served a day.All this BS about X-boxes,gourmet food & the internet,ha.The jails in this country are some of the worst in the western world,victorian,bleak,stinking horrible places full of silverfish & people who cant get employed in mental health,or,people who simply want to bully others because their own lives are so empty.What kind of holiday camp keeps you locked up for 23 hours a day in some dank hole & serves so called food I wouldnt feed to a starving animal.And Im talking about the remand jails in the UK,where people havent even been found guilty of a crime.Its not innocent until proven guilty,its guilty until proven innocent in the UK
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I 100% believe he was roughed up and what he accused the officer of to be true. He just didn't seem intelligent and confident enough to convince anybody he was telling the truth. Proper scumbag screws stuck together and fucked him over. Poor lad
What struck me is that his account of the officer goading him through his cell window sounds very realistic / plausible. You couldn't make up a story like that.
Grow up Paul
His fault he in prison first place.
@@swaldron5558 not all people in prisons are guilty …🤡
It was a 1980s UK prison I would be 100 percent suprised if they had not roughed him up.
Those quasi “ judges “ are like something out of Monty Python . You don’t know whether to laugh or cry
These screws should work sewing mailbags cos they've got " stitching up " down to an art form .
I had a cellmate once who was due for release but hed accidentally taken a swallow of a spliff ( he genuinely thought it was a roll up cos he hated ganga it made him paranoid ) and he got piss tested and was sat in the cell crying cos his wife had organized an holiday for him when he got out ( he was in for fraud and was green as fuck ...hed been an accountant ) and I felt sorry for him so I asked about and everybody said " he'll lose time , he's guilty before he goes in to the adjudication " ...so I was looking out of the window and I saw a scruffy old guy picking roll up butts up off the floor and the idea just hit me .
I told him to tell them that he'd received bad news and was very depressed and really needed a roll up and that he's ashamed to say that hed picked up some tab ends off the yard floor and it was only when you started to become extremely agitated that you realised there must have been cannabis in one of the tab ends and terrible had a terrible night frought with paranoia....and I'm proud to say that they actually believed him ...it's amazing the bullshit you can come up with when you've got enough time on your hands
What an absolute sham of a hearing. That poor guy was obviously abused and only came forward because of his abuse knowing full well how he could be punished if he was found guilty of filing a false statement.
That doctor is so bent ... ‘it’s laughable.’
probably graduated with Dr Shipman, from Leeds University, my old alma mater, haahaha BA Hons 1986 IIi in Eng Lit
Yeah he was an old prick
@@supergrahamgHarold Shipman... what a scumbag. As bad as the beasts and wronguns
I grew up in the 80s and in America. I listened to the Smiths band then and there was one album titled, “Strangeways Here We Come.” I just figured out 40 years later what Strangeways meant 😂
Great album
Even the doctor was in on it, giving his report about the injury
You’re displaying all the aspects of someone with confirmed bias Ben, your mind is not capable of critical thought, this makes your opinion on matters such as this null and void. Do better
good gig for a third rate medic
@@senecaknowledge2274 Spot the dirty screw
the lad was a cry baby.
@@senecaknowledge2274come on, that Dr was blatent in his lies, as transparent as window just cleaned.
I want to retract my statement?
In real English
If I grass the horrible screw my sentance will be a living nightmare!
The hairstyles alone deserve a 10-year sentence.
😂
stop looking in the mirror then,
@@paulmcdonough1093 that didn't make much sense 🙄😂
Hahahahaha
Yep :). Makes you wonder what people will think of man-buns in 2050... I reckon they are completely ridiculous already now.
The lad that withdrew his statement was shook by the screw u can see the body language the way the screw holds his fist and the way the inmate is speaking and his eye contact is everywhere
and he got 2oz of baccy and a single cell. if he not play he would be in a cell with knickles mc'horny
Brilliant! Thanks for uploading these ☺ old school Prison Wow a lot harder than these days!
THE PRISONER IS BEEN STITCHED UP... HORRENDOUS...
The days when the prison officers ran the prison instead of today’s prisoners that run them now...
True that, the officers move inmates around from wing to wing like chess pieces, knowing full well they are moving rivals onto a wing. They even make bets on it. Iv'e seen it.
Private companies winning contracts and turning the prisons into Disney Land. It's all about the money..
No CCTV in 1979.
Oh, the prisoners had a way of getting round things then to.... but true. Not anywhere close to what it is now....
@@nickyG7515 I was in hmp Bristol some lads robbed a pair of trainers so the screw moved him onto the wing he took them from, day later the lad got cut up and seriously injured.they was laughing talking about it I heard it all .
This is the reason why it kicked off 11 years later. 👌👌
No we all live in strangeways.
I don't
The screws used to knock fuck out the prisoners no cameras back in the day.
I was a nurse at Stangeways.
Most prisoners were no bother really.
Loved the ending once they locked the padded cell,one of the screws( prison officer) Say's come on let's go and get our dinner...... great upload by the way.....
You watch this & understand better why strangeways burnt before there was any change!
Be fair pal
This angers me, The brutality the screws got away with and still do, There's No justice in a corrupt system.
2 screws was in his face at the kangaroo court intimidating him close to his face giving death stares.
shut up and eat your grits. you still have 3 months of punishment to do....
The screws especially back then could do basically what they liked ,They Prison Officers Union were all powerful like most big Unions in the 70s & 80s ......
prisons back then were horrendous and half the screws should be imprisoned themselves for their actions. Read A Sense Of Freedom by Jimmy Boyle,it will give you an incredible insight into the depth of brutality they handed out.
@@micahbodha6129 Jimmy Boyle later retracted 99% of what he wrote in his book. A pack of lies written with the sole intent of making money. In his own words “ Something that started out as a good cause became a business and then became a racket.” ~ Jimmy Boyle. Try reading Jimmy’s final book called ‘Money talks & bullsh*t walks’ it’s a brutally honest account regarding his motives to write such unmitigated false accusations. You’ve been fooled and I would advise you in the strongest of terms to desist from recommending it & remove your comment. I bid you good day sir
@@senecaknowledge2274 I have known many former screws, my ex father in law was a PO. Served in the 80s and 90s. Corrupt isn't the word for them , especially in those days. The beatings they gave out were known in their circles as doing "the Lords work".
Governor can you tell me why you want to retract your statement, prisoner i don't want to make a written statement retracting my statement i just don't want no part of it. In other words the screws let him know they would make his life hell if he didn't retract his statement..
True story
so so obvious, they was gne put him in a cell with a loon lol pmsl.
Too right
Too right.
He got a few to his pad to tell him what will happen if he goes through with it. His life wouldn't have been worth living.
mad to think that in 1980 everyone was into Slade. The bully boy regime deserved all the shock and fear they got in 1990.
"Judges must beware of hard constructions and strained inferences, for there is no worse torture than that of laws."---- Francis Bacon.
Got a sneaking suspicion the screw whacked him.
I was there in 1982. Brutal place. The biggest problem was the entry requirements to become a screw. No O levels and if you could tie your own shoelaces you were in. Poor standards to become a screw in such a responsible position. I remember Bowen as a lazy lardarse, and as for the "Board of Visitors they were a complete joke as Mrs Redfern and her puppet expertly show. Complete inadequates in every sense. I hope all the cons featured are having a better life now,
The problem is that labrador puppies were not allowed to visit the wings. Everybody loves puppies
What are O levels?
@@peternagy-im4be GCSEs nowadays
@@lewillerasmus52079 I'm from Hungary means nothing to me
@@peternagy-im4be i dont care
The screws at that time probably got big pensions for being corrupt bullies during their careers.
Absolutely
The prison service is even more corrupt now they use private companies. Shocking corruption.
@@georgecaspira it's everywhere now screws making money taking stuff in its happening on a massive scale
you always just make stuff up?
If you have to deal with 1000 men who are all criminals using violence is the best way to keep them in order . Why do you think criminals use violence to get what they want ?
When Screws wore slashed peaks and were ex- guardsmen...
The lad who retracted his statement was scared of repacussions
right at the start of this episode i knew nothing would happen to the screw
Makes me sick watching this as the inmates were always found guilty, the screws always lied. These were just kangaroo courts most inmates pleaded guilty just to try get a lesser loss of time/privileges. Also the screws in the block would happily steam into the cell and give you a good kicking whilst in the block. I was hit with a bunch of keys in the face and badly injured in Strangeways for not answering a screw straight away but I dare not complain as I would have been charged with lying against an officer they would even falsely claim you assaulted them first. The screws made Strangeways a shithole, its a wonder non were killed in the riots. Every inmate back then knew how the prisons were run, its time we got to tell our stories.
@@johnbryant6572. Thanks John its good to know people are taking note regarding these hate factories. I do keep an eye on these historical prison videos, and try to make people aware of the reality that was. I hope all ex inmates who have experienced this state endorsed evil all the very best. As with other prisons Strangeways staff put on a false persona for the cameras and it does not take to much imagination as to what was really going on. I was there in 1980, 10 years after that the riots took place, some non offenders will not understand why this happened. I do not condone the smashing up of a prison but it took such measures to change the way prison was run. Common sense tells me that society in general would sooner at least try to rehabilitate offenders especially low level ones as I was. One last thing I would like to mention, do not think the young prisoners were treated any better than the cons. The fact is the younger and more vulnerable you looked the more likely you were a target for the screws. This was even more worse for minority prisoners such as non whites, gays, disabled etc etc.
@@johnbryant6572 You will know many sad stories then John, keep up the good work though its very important. Big thanks and have a great new year.
@@johnbryant6572 Thanks for that John. Yes I'm aware of the case you mentioned which is actually typical of what the authority's have been able to get away with and have done before and after that case. I have been in many places like the ones you mention. You were in their world and the threat of abuse was constant and metered. Even If you tried to complain you would be punished further so what was the sense. I've seen an inmate with Mental health issues take a serious kicking by screws whilst he was on the floor in a straight jacket on a prison hospital wing. He was obviously no threat to anyone. I do hope things have improved.
Quit yer bellyaching!! You did the crime then you do the time!!
@@rapman5363 I've SEEN 2 screws BREAK an inmates arm and say he was resisting, I'm pretty sure that wasn't part of the judges sentence......
All over a few slices of bread.?how petty of the screw
Exactly. Just let it go
I honestly believe if the camera crew hadn’t of been there he would have received a beating, or the liquid cosh.
In reality who are they going to believe
Personally I believe that screw attacked that lad, I believe the investigation was biased against the lad. He should have just turned the other cheek kept his head down and get out of that shit hole. Sad case.
Quite possibly, yes
That's exactly what he should have ...blank the screws ..do your bird and get out asap ...you can't win in that situation ..
Yep, head down, read a shit load of books 📚 an get the fyck out..... simple don't make waves an u won't drown
@@charlesbadoola535 course he did, thats how it was 😄😶😄
@@AdrianPG63 yup..... head down, blank um and out...
They sorted the place out in 1990 😂
Poor Ian smashed by the screws then twisted up and took to the block!
A few years later place erupted. Terrible out of date corrupt hellhole.
This is a complaint you’ve made "you’re not on trial at this stage?" WTF
My jaw dropped when I heard that bit. Decision was made already
"...that sort of instrument could have done that sort of damage to him seems to be irrelevant. I wish it hadn't have been introduced."
Translation: This inconvenient piece of evidence would demonstrate that the prison officers are all lying, especially given that the prisoner brought up the issue of testing it for his blood type. Let's ignore it shall we!
If the implement that was allegedly used to inflict the injury isn't relevant to a case where someone is accused of inflicting injury upon themselves, then what is the point of going through the motions of having this "trial" because it's so obviously just for show.
In the first episode the man in cell said to the woman they make sure there is no witness,& u can see in this episode that's true
9:33 I had to stop and think for a moment... thought it was friggin Fred West!
They don't stand a chance. It's not excusing any of their crimes and the pain inflicted upon their victims of crime.
There will always be crime, however if we only invested at grass roots we could slash crime rates. The result will not be instant, but it will come. Poverty is the genesis. Young children do not deserve to grow up hungry, in fear or without a stable roof over their head.
If the prison and prison officers were like this today, I feel the re-offending rate would be reduced by at least 90%.
Yea . I was in during the 80 .s when u had to shit in a bucket. No tv bath once a week .no mobiles ..the offending rate would be less
It actually makes it worse makes prisoners more violent and angry
Don’t be so stupid if screws where like this today there would be a few dead before the week is out
@@joshveall7092 don't talk stupid 🤦🏻♂️
@@jamesmuller1077 so why you think it turned to what it is ? did you not see the Strangeways Riot ?
The investigation is very Gareth-like, David Brent from the Office would be proud. Obsessing over small fry shit lol.
Considering the time in number of years past, it has been well documented that Prison Officers did collaborate amongst themselves and they did beat and bully inmates.. I'm not talking about an inmate who assaulted a member of staff and got a kicking for it, many documented cases have proven that occurred. It was how it was done in them days, a nail that stuck out got hammered in! No excuse for the bullying of an inmate, of which I feel actually occurred... I do believe though that an un-official word may of been had between senior officer and the accused officer, not for the incident in question, but what led to his colleagues having to 'have his back' and bringing an investigation on to himself.. I also believe the witness was put under duress to withdraw his statement under some threat or other... It was a very corrupt situation then, eventually they had enough and prisoners would go on to riot in the place, such was the desperation... Just my opinion, I may be wrong, I can only surmise from reading books, watching this to come to this conclusion...
Well written and totally agree
I was a prisoner at Strangeways during the early 80s.
From my own personal experience, I believe Mark Leech gives the most accurate description of the Prison in the following extract:
"Strangeways was a prison in which I and the majority of others were physically abused, assaulted and brutalised by prison staff.
Where the Governor for much of the decade prior to the riot, the long since now dead Norman Brown, turned a blind eye to prisoner assaults, tactically allowing them to continue. It was a prison where staff at lunch time went to the prison club just outside the prison gate and consume alcohol, coming back after lunch a danger themselves and others.
Strangeways was a prison where prisoner complaints were ignored with impunity, where people were packed in squalid, vermin-infested conditions, three to a cell designed for one and held there with their human waste for 23 hours a day.
It was a prison ruled with a brutal rod of iron by a small band of prison officers, where staff were openly racist, where they wore National Front (white supremacist) badges on their lapels - it was in short a ticking time bomb that on Sunday 1st April 1990 finally exploded."
The screws let the prisoners walk behind them after meals in the block now that's a recipe for revenge..😈😈
This inmate can make allegations of abuse from staff all he wants, nothing would come of it. British prisons like Strangeways were full of brutality and abuse of inmates by staff back then. And most of the assaults on inmates by staff were unprovoked.
That witness is creepy!!!
Oh yes.
He is in another documentary, had a hard childhood but ended up being a fairly decent father on the outside, given his previous life.
I found it! th-cam.com/video/RC6-sxIZbBk/w-d-xo.html He's at 21:50, for example. It's worth a watch, recommended.
Looks like Fred West...
I'm surprised anyone survived in that hell hole.
Criminals are supposed to get a bad time, it’s not supposed to be a holiday camp.
These Hovis adverts were strange
yawn
I'm just doing some research on this prison and I'm interested to know whether the interior still resembles what is seen in this documentary? I can't find many photos online. e.g. do they still have the padded cells and the hospital ward? Are the brick walls still coated in gloss paint, or have they rendered the walls since then? Apologies if these questions seem strange.
Still basically same but with toilet in the cells
Didn't prisoner's take it over for a month and burn it out? Renovated after that..
Back then life was as tough as a box of rusty spanners
Well said!
I wonder what ever happened to lan the bloke who was involved in the bread nicking. As it looks like he would of been in and out all his life.
Be interesting to see what became of him
Anyone know ????
He turned his life around and became a vicar...
No he didn’t he became a barber
He got a job at warburtons.
@@arnofthenorth.7154 AWESOME
@Carl Carter EXACTLY
Mogadon (Nitrazepam) and Librium (Chlordiazepoxide) are VERY strong medications to be giving someone in prison... the poor sod can barely keep his eyes open!
I'd love those meds in a place like that
Moggys where good the next day
@GTA 5 Kingkong0581 Fuck used to take them all like Smarties for a good 7 8 years aswell as class a never ever smack tho loved me 30mil greens chewy seccys but ye Moggys. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🧡🧡🧡🧡 for you brother. Seasiders
@GTA 5 Kingkong0581 nothing beats the old good vallium
@GTA 5 Kingkong0581 jelly joints😣😣😣
of course he hit the kid
Kid!?! More like a man
He wanted the bread to wrap stuff in and swallow it will then get stuck in his throat or stomach , it’s very common among self harmers .
'If i tried to commit suicide, it would be by swallowing..'
I guess my ex does have something in common.
A Good insight into the British Penal System.🇬🇧
Glad people can see how kangaroo trials are conducted in prison and it’s still the same today. If you know you know 👍✌️
They showed those things on TV 50 years ago and they still show it today, so clearly they don’t feel anything wrong is happening. And it isn’t.
I definitly know!
Nearly 10 years in Gartree.
@@gweilospur5877 Either a screw or blatantly obvious you ain’t been a customer 👍✌️
@@tomelliott565 Respect lad hope you’re well today 👍✌️
@@robinbanks. yep! All good these days. Been out of trouble about 25 years now...wife, kids n all that.
Be lucky brother. Tom.
Jesus ,is it really necessary to leave him naked locked in a cell
I've been round alcatraz there's not a lot of diffrence.very similar padded cells with no light and a hole in the floor for a toilet.used to lock them in there for months at a time with no light.
Well the fella did say he tries to harm himself when stressed so probably yes.
Paul Sykes would just knock there groove out🙁
Ohhh the days off moggies,,, mogadon 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
Oh the moggies, ain't heard (or had) them in time......the days of decent pills 💊 😏
@@mandysbrown2110 nitrazepam
@Sam Armstrong yeh used to love the jellies, they still about? Where?.... I have tried everything with no joy,,, the closest is over the net copies?!? Where can I get um then.....
@@neillp3827 yeh I can still get them the odd time, but they don't do the same as the moggies and the green jelly tamazepam 🥴🙂
@@neillp3827 yeh they are good, but not as good as the green jelly tamazepam...🥴🙂 where are u? UK 🇬🇧 or 🇺🇸?
Some of us went through places like Portland yoi back in the day :-)
Windy as fuck
Yeah i done 19months in portland back in the 90s, it wasnt that bad tbh but it was still run like borstal and the block screws were complete bastards.
@@Del-Blanco-Diablo Yeah, 89/90! they beat me a few times. But i was a monthly little shit from Bristol :-)
I was in court for poaching in 1979 when I was 19.
Due to my strong northern accent. In court the West Yorkshire police in court emphasised phonetically what I said.
No surprise there was a riot. If I’d been a con I’d have been bang up for it
How much was edited out.? where was the mice and cockroaches i shared my cell with? bloke never had a chance
Would not have mattered if. The screw was on camera hitting the prisoner nothing. Would. Have been done...it's A FARCE...!!
an investigation over bread... he should of used his loaf
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep going you're on a roll.
@@snowflakemelter1172 that's a beauty 😅
Sounds half- baked to me.
@@gweilospur5877 Did you really knead to say it that way?
'This is no ordinary court ' it's a kangaroo court . The verdict was guilty before the hearing began. Those screws thought they were gods . Someone with no brains has to do the job I suppose.
No kidding, all them hearings in the nick are kangaroo courts.....screws do fuck all wrong an the ppl in there have to put up with it till they can get a sly dig in ffs.... but prison today, !!! Funking joke of century an its just getting worse...
20.18 Betty Turpin turns up
Bully guards... British police cells were like this still few years ago.. 😁
Thanks for the up KA.
What a pantomime! From what I recall, from the exact same time, if you made an allegation against a screw, you were immediately threatened with making a malicious allegation, by the governor. "Being the devoted Catholic that I am..." 🤣I had one blanket when I was in the Block, not half a dozen! 🙄
The woman saying that an injury like he has on his face cant be aqquired by a push. maybe she should try it on herself. let someone push her with something in their hand and drag it across her face.. ive been in strangeways and in thoise days the screws were bullies and all stuck up for each other.. in the very first episode an inmate mentions that the place will erupt sooner por later.. and it did in 1990.. iw as there too with paul taylor and alan lord.. lots of complaints were covered up in those days and the prisoners were treated like shit and animals in strangeways
The woman chairing this kangaroo court is awful. Such a stuck-up, condescending person.
They really think they’re Army Officers in their poxy uniforms! All out of shape! Little angry men! Ugh! Power crazy bullies
Angry convict?
Most were ex military back then.
bomberzak I don’t think it’s the ex Army Officers That are the problem! (Obviously there will be a minority in that group) They’ve had proper training and discipline! And a lot had deployment experience... I think it’s the guys who never got a career anywhere else, went from shop jobs, to sales, to building trade etc.. but never stuck it out, then they get a PO job and the power goes to their heads! They feel like the big man boss!! Beta Males! Who are insecure and having to flex power over others! Men who’ve been in the Army don’t have to prove their manhood by bullying others?! My guess anyway!
Gweilo Spur Out of shape Little Man, who couldn’t get into the Police Force?! Or Army?! Beta Male who needs people to flex power over to actually feel like a Man? 😁
@@Foxys1974 The standards to get into the prison service are just as high as the police or the military. I don’t see that their uniforms are any more “poxy” than police or army uniforms. Sounds like someone’s bitter with an axe to grind....
People say Britain ain't rough for prisoners... Imagine no camera... Prison can be hard in UK.... Deep in them cells
It should be hard, criminals are scum.
@@gweilospur5877 some people end up in prison for certain crimes they deliberately did not commit. For example, a car crash making 1 simple mistake and possibly killing a family. Does that make them scum? Also you have probably broke the law at some point, so shut the fuck up 😂😂
13:50 Mr Magoo the devoted Catholic broke at least one of the Ten Commandments to end up in Strangeways.
Totally get why the place went up in flames 10yr afterwards.
This is frustrating to watch. The board of visitors biased questions and deliberate overlooking of the actual evidence/facts is so obvious. I'm interested in how this was received by the general public when it originally aired in 1980?
"It is a place of tension and confrontation. And terrible haircuts."
probably didn't want to get found hanging in his cell
Yep that’s true
Mr Price looks like the "Fonz" ! >:D
hi Arthur, do you go on lives with Y.B.?
Norman the guy who retracted his witness statement lived in Halifax West Yorkshire, wonder what he’s doing now.
Looking for his eyes
Some of these officers were pissed, most of the time
the cameras won't see what happens when they leave...
I've done loads of block I wouldn't be surprised.nothing in the last 20 years though
so grim the place the people everything
Prisoners have it easy these days. No more slopping out, the screws are all soft and afraid to give a kicking. Doin time back then was hard
The proof is in the statistics. The question therefore is at that time in 1979 just how many of these investigations eent in the prisoners favour? The answer will reveal the truth.
Kangaroo court, the BOV have always been a waste of space. A case not proven doesn't mean he lied.
That was harsh back in those Days how is he after 40 years.
Probably dead by now
Did you hear that officer shitting lies in the interrogation just cos the lad had 4 slices of bread or excess bread....
I think the extra bread was how they swallowed stuff to self harm
why isn't he questioning the screws like he is the prisoners. Well biased. I get they are in prison but at the same time FAIR IS FAIR
Dont show this on the documentarys on the riot... They were goaded
22 years i did in this place and my goodness it dragged in.
Change the title from "the allegation" to "The Stitch Up"
Prison is like a holiday camp nowadays 🤣
It's not.
@@snowflakemelter1172 compared to the 70s 80s it definitely is
Prison now is a chance to fatten up and see the boys 😄
The only people who say that are sun-reading tossers who have never served a day.All this BS about X-boxes,gourmet food & the internet,ha.The jails in this country are some of the worst in the western world,victorian,bleak,stinking horrible places full of silverfish & people who cant get employed in mental health,or,people who simply want to bully others because their own lives are so empty.What kind of holiday camp keeps you locked up for 23 hours a day in some dank hole & serves so called food I wouldnt feed to a starving animal.And Im talking about the remand jails in the UK,where people havent even been found guilty of a crime.Its not innocent until proven guilty,its guilty until proven innocent in the UK
Who remembers the screw Thacker , he was the screw who used to give me a crack in the mid 80s when I was 16.
Do you remember duffy one bad tw.t