Tyranitar in UU: I am at peace and in charge of my own sweeping ☺️ Pelipper in OU: FUCK IT WE U TURN INTO ARCHALUDON FUCK IT WE U TURN INTO ARCHALUDON FUCK IT WE U TURN INTO ARCHALUDON
@@horsegangstudios7557flip turn would be worse, the increase in damage would be negligible since pelipper isnt there for damage anyway, and nothing is immune to bug unlike water absorb mons
@@tokilladaemonI agree even if peliper gets flip turn people would probably still use U-turn. Same reason U-turn was used on tapu Koko and Zapdos in the past gens.
@@A_Hardy_Lopunnylegit until you get to 1200 no one uses more than one actually viable uber per team so you can just steamroll everything. Then they call you a legendary spammer xD
@@ExpandDong420if you count paradox mons there’s fluttermane and a bunch of other mons. Flutter being so great in vgc makes me feel like it had an insane glow up.
@@ExpandDong420 Not really, Bisharp has always been a solid OU or UU pokemon ever since Gen 5. All Kingabit did was take what made Bisharp good, and made it better.
idk doesn't seem noteworthy to me for an evo to be much better than the prevo. Like I assume Sneasel-H, Primeape Finizen, Flittle, Arctibax, etc are comparably if not more lowly ranked
I'll be honest, I'm all for banning and unbanning Mons, but we have had well over 20 separate mons that were in OU that has been banned to Ubers at one point or another since S/V came out. Hell, we've had an entire status condition Banned, and It wasn't altered at all from last GEN! Even worse, the council never gave the community a chance to decide on that. Something needs to change fast or I worry for the future. #StopBanningEverything
I'm here pretty early and I've never been one to comment but I just want to say you're the GOAT Joey. Been following you since the BW days when I randomly saw you featured by rchizzle9 and been watching you since. I don't always see every single vid but it's great to know that when I go on YT I can always count on a video by Pokeaimmd. You helped shape my love for competitive pokemon and I appreciate everything. Keep up the great content :)
Pay Smogonite no mind. Someone needs to join that council someone with a lot of followers and make appropriate changes. A lot of issues that Smogon has with their mons can be resolved if they implemented item clause. And some mons like Deoxys and Darkrai that obviously shouldn’t be there should be banned not mons like Chien-pao or Chi-yu!
Funny that they talked about it being an abuse of power to ban archaludon with a council vote when they just did the very same with sleep. Incredible insight
the houndstone thing is just smogon's policy to ban pokemon before they ban moves before basculegion came along, houndstone was the one and only user of last respects, but when the fish arrived with the move, the council could finally ban the move itself with a Complex Ban
Honestly I would have preferred Houndstone staying ubers at this point cuz its just pretty shitty without it even in lower tiers. Kinda no point in bringing it down. But the logic with basc joining the roster makes sense so hey.
Personally, I don't think banning it is necessary. It's not even a meta-defining pokémon, though it is very very strong. Kyurem is way stronger though, and that monster's still around, so...
I think Arch might be a little too consistent at getting at least a kill and a half. I’m kinda on the fence but I totally get why people think it’s overbearing. The fact that it can do its job super reliably without Tera is also a bit of an issue, you can play very flexibly with it in ways that you can’t as much with a few similar mons.
my argument is, if kingambit is in the tier, there's no reason to be suspecting them, there's a ton of monsters in the tier, Archaladon is just one of em
@ninjablade2 gambit at least offers notable defensive utility, which a lot of threats don't. Arch specifically is really only broken on rain but rain had damn near 90% win rate in spl week one and the meta has been very reactionary to that because of it, stall was incredibly common in gen 9 of all things. I personally think the meta will adapt but suspect was the right call.
@@ninjablade2maybe we should start getting rid of those monsters? OU is actually so horrible to play right now and getting rid of arch at the very least would help with that.
I don't think Archeludon will be banned, there's definitely counterplay to it. And it is basically the move that is broken in rain. A 130 power 100 accurate move that raises users sp. Attack even if it doesn't hit. So even if you switch in a ground type there's the threatening stab +1 draco meteor coming after that... If anything just ban the move.
I think Tera is the biggest factor here, giving you free turns for Stamina to rack up along with Electro shot to where it's more and more difficult to lose Without Tera many tiering placements would be shifted around
1, genuinely curious what all the critical commenters' rank is and frequency using/experiencing this 2, I think similar to last respects, this move in particular is what's absurd (free boost even against ground types to KO the next turn). I dont anticipate a complex ban since its a signature move, but thats what I'd personally vouch for. Otherwise, I support banning it - has a stranglehold on the meta and is far too easy to steamroll with once you position it correctly and tera at the right time. I'll *try* and get my req's and see if my mind changes along the way
@@danielbarker2522 Fair points, though 'fun' is an extremely subjective term...lots get fun from having their say as to what is vs isn't balanced in the tier, restricts team building, etc. Of the large number of bans, I'm sure many can agree/understand a majority of them while disliking or being confused by a few - and it goes without saying the ripple effect that follows for each successive ban. Side note, speaking of ripple effect...I've very much wanted tera-preview going back to the suspect a year ago, but no dice. I feel quite a few pokemon (Volc, Ape, Espathra, etc.) would be big threats but much easier to play with/against if this were in place. It also makes this gen very guess-heavy and tough to figure out long-term planning for me. The people wanted it to stay, and so be it I suppose...I definitely feel tera is 'fun' and allows for a lot of creativity but for the structure of competitive singles, it adds a lot of variables and complicates how broken things truly can be, including all the chatter about how "ban happy" the council can be despite them simply doing their best and going along with the people's say.
I don't tend to ladder past 1800 but I do get reqs for tests, I personally am voting no ban on this one, I like the defensive utility Arch brings and it's not clean-sweeping teams so it's not immediately overbearing. Its problematic aspects come from Rain as a whole, which should be looked at, but I don't think we should kill Arch for rain's sins.
@@danielbarker2522 you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the prupose of smogon and smogon tiers then. Anyone who thinks aiming for balance and consistency isn't fun are welcome to play bss, ubers, random battles etc.
@@serenolopez-darwin1975What defensive utility does arch have? You can't even argue to not ban because it keeps in checks X or Y like kingambit and kyurem. I personally don't think a pokemon clean sweeping teams to be the only factor of whether to ban or not, but that is a difference in views. And lastly, even if rain is the real culprit, we can always retest arch and ban rain. IMO it is kinda dumb to not ban something because you think something else is broken.
AV Arch has maybe one or two consistent switch ins that are meta relevant. If you swap in to an Electro Shot with a ground type, you have to be ready for a +1 Draco Meteor or be able to outspeed and ohko it. The problem is Arch is only weak to Ground and Fighting types, which are both have mostly physical attacks. Iron Treads can swap into Electro Shot, but can only barely get a 2hko with max special attack Earth Power, and thats if the Arch has 0 def or spdef investment. Also, the Arch always has the option to tera and stomp its check, although I don't really like to tera it since its Steel/Dragon typing is so good vs special attackers. The worst part is the special walls need to be concerned about Body Press. Its steel typing makes it immune to toxic, meaning there are few means of passive damage to take it down. Its 85 base speed means its faster than most special walls. So when you start chipping it down with like blissey seismic toss or clodsire earth power, you start giving them defense boosts. Now they can just smack your special wall with a boosted Body Press. Also, Arch is usually on rain which usually have easy ways of slapping around ground types, and Barraskewda tends to take advantage of its counters. Clodsire cannot run Water Absorb and Unaware, so you have to choose whether its beating Barraskewda or Archaludon. IDK why I felt like typing all of this out, I guess I'm just frusturated with how powercrept OU is anymore and it feels unfun when half of the tier's mons can just use nuke moves.
Reading these comments, I have come to the conclusion that most Pokeaimd viewers aren't very active in the general Smogon community beyond this channel
@@lordmonarch2995 I'm not good lol, somewhere around the 1400's. But when there is a suspect, I read up on the forums about the different sides of the suspect. What I got from these comments were that people were just angry something was getting suspected, without looking into the reasons behind it. If they read up, I feel like they would be less pissed about it.
Yeah, I haven't played in a couple months (ngl gen 9 teambuilding is too much of a pain sometimes, and with wrist issues I have to pick between pokemon or other games, so I've been playing others), which is why I don't have strong opinions on this beyond having disliked tera from the start of gen 9. @@jonathanhurckes67
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Eh, it's been pretty lax for a bit. The last mon banned was Terapagos in December, and the only mon looked at since then was Kyurem. Generally people see this meta as a lot more stable than pre-indigo disk, a lot of the mons people were afraid of have settled, like Deoxys Speed and Iron Boulder.
I’m an ubers main so I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but looking in as a spectator, I don’t think it’s as much of a problem as something like gambit or gold. Or hell, even Raging Bolt is obscenely good rn. I do see the rationale though and I’m at least glad that it’s suspect tested and not quick-banned like sleep, with which I vehemently disagree.
Honestly I feel the OU council need to stop banning everything and let people learn and adapt before you even start testing. There are some clear outliers like annihalape but a lot of bans seem rushed compared to the old OU meta's.
Bingo. There is barely any time for things to settle. Some of the time-frames between bans have been insane. Metas tend to find a way to balance themselves out over time, it's just a matter of leaving it long enough to find out if something is actually a problem or not, or if it's just a new tool and people need to just figure out how to handle it.
Those Smogon turds are filled with babies that are mentally incapable of figuring it out! They don’t wanna figure it out they wanna copy and paste what they see off of Smogon university, play, win and be toxic on showdown! They’re scum!
@@tyranitararmaldoMy guy, we had over a month to "adapt" and even though we "adapted" its probably the worst OU currently. Kind of ridiculous to say just wait for stuff to settle down...
I thought the OU council was kidding! I thought it was a joke! I even wrote it down in my diary - Finchinator had a very funny joke today. I laughed about it later that night!
I know it’s needed for balancing, but all this banning is killing me. It feels like after a week a team is unviable because (usually a prevalent) mon was banned from the tier. Haven’t touched OU in a very long time for that reason. Been playing a LOT of VGC though. Reg F is very fun, with a lot of team archetypes that are viable even at the highest level
That's because the balance of the game was not designed around singles. And smogon just cant admit that any attempt at trying to artificially balance this mess is a doomed one. They think that banning a flavor of the month pokemon will fix everything. I suspect the only reason this is being suspected is becuse council members just kept getting clapped on ladder so they decided that it needed to be gone.
It's fine. There are plenty of other mons that if they get rolling they can get out of control, it's impossible to prepare for everything. If they ban Arch then something else will just take its place.
As an HO player, I have no problem with the bridge. But when I play balance, pivoting around it can be really tricky especially since stamina triggers also when you use Uturn or Volt Switch on it.
I don't see why this is even in question when raging bolt and kyurem are still in the tier ngl. I understand how strong it is on rain but outside of it glowing and ghold both wall.
Haven't played since the travesties that were sword and shield, and stayed away from all Pokemon news since. You're the only person I kept my sub to, and hence my only source of mons content. I just wanted to say that I have never seen Archaludon do anything in your videos until this one. The suspect test surprised me.
Definitely think Stamina was too powerful of an ability to give to a steel / dragon mon with pseudo legendary stats. Electro shot in rain is definitely strong too. On the other hand, is this thing really the biggest issue in OU right now? I mean I’ve barely played OU since the stupid sleep ban, so am somewhat out of the loop, but it didn’t seem that overwhelming back then.
This mon is going to die for Rain's sins. Rain is obviously broken, it's all over SPL and ladder. But Arch is just part of the problem, and losing a good defensive glue mon that checks a lot of garbage with its unique typing because its wallbreaking on Rain is too strong is a shame.
Yeah, I definitely felt like rain was busted when I was last playing, so few mons can actually stand up to tera water rain sweepers, and other rain mons can weaken those pretty well. Especially with amoongus, probably the most reliable option for it due to regen plus grass typing, taking a huge nerf with the spore ban.
Tbh I think they should be looking at Roaring Moon again instead of this guy, still does what it did before with the only difference being that the metagame has a lot more fast threats now. While Arch is really good at being able to trade with almost anything and is incredibly hard to switch into on rain between Electro Shot+Body Press, defensively it can usually only do its job once or twice and offensively is it held back by its low speed.
Try a multi weather team : Archaludan with power herb. Meteor beam, electroshot ,solar beam and flash cannon . Torkoal ,peliper, walking wake , raging bolt and iron boulder with solar blade and mighty cleave. (Side note trust in the max hp and sp.df archaludon) this team is a dream in doubles
Arch under the rain, enemy has no ground or pokemon with the ability to absorb electric type moves is dangerous. But, one could argue the move itself is op
@@Gonshotbarzbut all of those lose to a banded barawskewda in the rain because they have to be unaware to deal with Archaludon. But yeah I don't think it should be banned. If anything just ban the move.
I have some questions about the ideas I keep seeing in comment sections. My opinion may be ill-informed - I'm nothing special on the ladder. That said, if the power level increased (it has), shouldn't that mean we should have a new, more powerful OU, and mons that were OU in previous gens should fall down? In other words, mostly what we've seen happen? I keep seeing the sentiment that power creep causing old OU mons to fall to RU or whatnot is a bad thing. But it seems very natural, and makes me wonder if folks are refusing to let go of their old conceptions of what the tiers "ought" to be. That, or they're treating "X historically good mon fell to Y tier" like it's some kind of death sentence to be aghast about. I don't understand it. The mons are generally the same, or better than ever, performing in tiers with roughly the same power levels of their old stomping grounds. But "losing" the "OU" label is upsetting? I'd welcome some other explanation, if anyone can offer one, or just more context. I'd particularly like to hear from people who believe power creep is bad.
Yes, if no thought was put into balacing pokémon, we’d see the proportion of old gen pokémon in OU fall as new generations get an equal amount of pie (take a few percent more or less since the number of pokémon added isn’t equal every gen). However, pokémon are created by game designers who do have game balance in mind and have the responsibility to prevent two pokémon from being too alike and giving them unique roles that don’t directly outclass previous pokémon that way both mons can coexist in a tier syncretically instead of competing for the same place. The problem is that not only have they not being doing this, they’re doing the opposite, newer generations are vastly overrepresented in OU compared to older generations (remember, if we were generating pokémon at random, it should be an equal amount, so this must be done on purpose), hell, gen 2 doesn’t even have a pokémon in OU. Not only that, but newer pokémon are directly better than older ones, Glowking is just a more minmaxed Slowking, Sneasler is simply superior to Hawlucha. This is probably because the Pokémon Company has being paying more attention to the official competitive scene (just look at the Indigo Disk DLc if you need proof, or that animated series) and want the new and shiny pokémon they created to be at the spotlight instead of those old boring ones, especially the DLC mons, to force players who want to play competitively to buy the DLC. No one like to see their old favorite meta staples for 6 generations to be substituted by a new pokémon Game Freak made to be specifically better so people spent more money
@@shitsalad429 First of all, thank you! I'm going to disagree with you some, but I appreciate your insight a lot. There's definitely some truth to what you said, at least with some of the DLC Pokémon like Ogerpon and Urshifu. I'm thinking about why what you're saying is less agreeable to me than the other fellow. While I can't count out confirmation bias, I think it really comes down to a difference in opinion. Personally, I actually quite like the idea of new generations making old metagame staples obsolete in OU. I've always felt that, up until the last few years, GF either didn't have a great idea about what made Pokémon good, or, much more likely, didn't care. Each generation was a mixed bag of treasure and trash. But in Gen 9 (and 8, to a lesser extent), new Pokémon are consistently very good, which I'm a big fan of. (Aside from, like, Spidops and Dachsbun). Gen 2 had a couple highlights and a lot of...not highlights. And since all that's true for the base game, I don't really think it's possible for power creep to be some kind of marketing ploy, like in the TCG. Tusk, Gambit, and Ghold are all base game. Except for Ogerpon and Urshifu, I'll definitely give you that. So...yeah. I don't really know where that leaves us. It's very tempting for me to rationalize your opinion as "oh, they're just stubborn and stuck in the past," but there's really no reason to believe that. It's just as valid to like older Pokémon as it is to like newer ones. We like different things - I can understand that. Maybe in a decade I'll be lamenting UU Baxcalibur and wishing I could go back to these days, not because of nostalgia, but just because I liked this generation. Although, all that really just applies to OU. The dex is huge now - there's tons of older Pokémon in lower tiers. Heck, people are even drawing comparisons between lower tiers and former OU tiers. But if you're not satisfied, that probably means you think there's something special about that "OU" designation. If that's the case, could you fill me in on why?
@@michaelvisosky743 I think another problem is people get so diuluted in thinking UU mons are inherently 'bad' JUST cause they are labeled UU, heck, Manaphy is RU this month and even Finchy said it was perfectly viable and can sweep unprepared teams. One sorta analogy i have was, last months stats, Weavile rose to OU and Hydrapple droped to UU, yet the two were literally neckonneck on the border of % usage on what seperates OU from UU. Yet you really did have people out there saying weavile is a godsend and hydrapple is trash, its nonsense and people's brains see labels and instantly dismiss mons because of it =/
Archaludon is a really cool pokemon. It has a unique offensive feel. It really feels like a tank, like an ACTUAL tank: slow, hard to hurt, hits INCREDIBLY hard, but has weakpoints and counter-strategies. I recently got into laddering again and just to ease myself in started with a rain team, and Archaludon is so fun to play, with his unique entry points and offensive strategy. Thanks for the grassy terrain idea! I've been trying to make Rilla and Blaziken work in gen 9 but everything I build is too passive, I might include Arch. Assault vest is cool but I like lefties and defense investment to really put a hard stop to physical threats. As for the potential ban... I find it very tiresome that anything that is offensively reliably is considered a problem. Defensive reliability? No problem. A mon, played well, maintains momentum and gets kills? A threat to the integrity of competitive play. Council is so fraudulent and biased. Kingambit and Iron Valiant are more oppressive, adaptable, and dangerous than Arch, but because they established themselves early on in the meta, they're the familiar threats to "account for" when teambuilding. Anytime something new shows up, it's a problem. Once you understand the consistent baseline logic for OU suspects is "if this is an offensive threat that is not accounted for by our established and familiar defensive cores, it's a problem". I understand I'm not in the top 1% of players but I trust my intuition. Kyurem, I can sort of understand the reasoning for his ban (even if I don't agree) but Archaludon? Overall he's easier to take down, is less splashable when teambuilding, and while very strong, isn't going to catch you completely off guard (electro shot, body press, STAB special moves, maybe some niche coverage). I could see a lure physical set with EQ or a sneaky speed creeper with t-wave perhaps putting ants in some people's pants but he doesn't seem banworthy. Always just seems like tourney players circlejerking each other over the latest "teambuilding restrictor".
Archaludon can consistently get a kill or even two. A well matched up Iron defense or AV set can even solo a weakened team or heavily mess with a healthy one. Shouldn't be banned, Archaludon offers stability and a much better steel dragon to OU
Okay take this how you will but I feel like the OU council only ban things that most of them can't beat or find annoying to play against which isn't a way to build up your skills. You learn more from losing than winning all of the time. That's just my 2 cents tho.
how long have you played Gen 9 OU? because you'd know that the council are suspecting mons based on what the skilled player base voted on in the survey that happened a few weeks ago. If you care so much about this, then go vote on the survey and suspects.
@@critking5633 The thing is after the council banned sleep without consulting the community, and now with Arch it's survey vote avg was only 2.6/5, which is far farrr below the norm causing people that have been quietly grumbling about the questionable decisions of the council are slowly getting louder and louder with every over step of the community, perceived or otherwise
@@ninjablade2but consider this, ursaluna blood moon got a 2.3(or something like that) in the surveys, yet when suspect tested, it got a overwhelming 90%+ ban. Sometimes common sense is better than community surveys.
Whenever I play Arch, it feels like it can take on anything. But whenever I face Arch, it's like the easiest thing to kill, even on rain teams. Often times, Arch is easily countered by another Arch, even with no def boost just by phasing it out with dragon tail.
@@waves5249gliscor is ohko by a +1 Draco(while arch lives an eq) same with great tusk. So at worst(for the rain player) it is a one for one trade with rain. But both of them lose to rain threats like Barra so the rain user can just double switch.
@@waves5249 oh of course I should use physical attackers on a very physically bulky mon that gets even MORE physically bulky after it gets hit each time, how stupid of me!
@@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350 even at +2, standard tusk is still doing 40%. Arch is going to be heavily chipped throughout the battle, so that should be enough to faint or for another mon to faint it.
Me and the boys just finished reqs and arch got 2 kills minimum every single game. We ran assault vest mainly but near the end we put on scarf to see what we could pick off and it still went in every game. I really like the mon and as of now will vote no ban but I can see why it’s on the radar 😅
normally i would be against, but since smogon gen9 OU is a complete joke now that they removed sleep, i think they should ban archaludon so the meta becomes even more stale and with even less variety, they also should ban kyurem and darkrai for more staleness
as a spectator, i don't understand why they go for fully banning pokemon instead of just banning certain strategies or moves on them. like if archaludon is so overbearing because of it's stats, ability, and moves all coming together to make it powerful, then you could just take one of those away (electro shot in this case) and it would still be a perfectly useable (tho probably lower tier) pokemon that doesn't break the game
Kingambit has been suspect tested several times before. At this point, players are tired of it and prefer suspect testing other mons that could be overwhelming instead of the same thing over and over and over again.
Having played a little bit while being completely unskilled, I feel electro shot may be an acceptable ban over the mon itself, but I understand if they ban it.
Instead of banning entire mons they can just ban the move like they did with Last Respects. It’s better to ban hypnosis than get rid of sleep as a whole… or get rid of electro shot instead of archaludon as a whole
I have way more issue stealth rock having potential damage from 3-50% on pokemon all throughout the game unless there is removal... Its just silly to me how that exists. Stealth rock should do 12% across the board on everything then limit spikes to 2 as opposed to 3
Agree, but that's a change for pokemon to make, the only real thing smogon can do, without modding the game (which is generally a nonstarter outside of very, very specific stuff like sleep clause in the past), is either ban stealth rocks (was discussed in gens 4 and 5, when removal options were way worse, but not as much since boots made it so that stealth rock weak mons just don't get to run other items, rather than often being outright terrible like often was the case in the past), or ban/unban mons to make removal easier (so in gen 9 that'd probably mean a gholdengo ban, but even that wouldn't fully fix the fact that there just aren't that many good mons with removal options).
@@auroraourania7161 The digger is no real issue id say it is just the annoyance of hazards more so stealth rock and how it can just stay on the field regardless of removal or mons like digger. That's how stall wins it out just causing switches and such.. too passive of a way to win and it just disables the ability to truly utilize sets and pokemon... Just off one click it just forces boots or removal on a team of fire bug flying types etc it's very lame and overlooked.
We're in 2024 and someone still complaining about rocks. Rocks are part of the game and a competitive staple, if you don't take in account the existence of hazards when teambuilding then that's your own fault
What is up with the ou council this time around? Why are they so ban happy, atleast this isnt another quickban. But also, if Kyurem is staying, why is he getting a suspect though.
this mon would not hold its own in ubers, council needs to chill, theres better pokemon in the tier and half the time rain is so good cause of skewda shredding cores then arch gets to take advantage of that, its not necessarily one pokemons being so broken, its just they took sneasler out so grass arch rilla sneasler core would breakdown rain but apparently everything is archs fault for being one of the coolest mons in the tier, gambit and tusk and deoxys speed and the dragondog trio need to go before arch if they wanna start banning shit
I’m ngl this vid kind of convinced me that archaludon should be banned. But it might just be that you’re playing low ladder. There’s also so many busted mons in OU anyway so idk. I’m more in favor of banning electro shot if anything (I’m a casual who mostly plays ran bats)
Honestly I think Archaludon is just as good/broken as barraskewda/bolt on rain, just ban rain or restrict tera at this point. Also power herb sturdy Archaludon is a hidden gem.
15:53 dude heard about balance teams and made one of his own, 50% hyperoffence 50% stall = 100% balance. Math checks out
Welcome to half the ladder rn no joke
Math is math
Tyranitar in UU: I am at peace and in charge of my own sweeping ☺️
Pelipper in OU: FUCK IT WE U TURN INTO ARCHALUDON FUCK IT WE U TURN INTO ARCHALUDON FUCK IT WE U TURN INTO ARCHALUDON
Pelipper deserves flip turn fr
@horsegangstudios7557 nl no it doesnt
@@horsegangstudios7557flip turn would be worse, the increase in damage would be negligible since pelipper isnt there for damage anyway, and nothing is immune to bug unlike water absorb mons
@@tokilladaemonI agree even if peliper gets flip turn people would probably still use U-turn. Same reason U-turn was used on tapu Koko and Zapdos in the past gens.
@@tokilladaemon makes sense 🤔 thanks for the info!
Darkrai and Toucannon on the same team and not in a 1000 elo ubers battle feels like a glitch in the matrix lol
Toucannon is so cool
Those uber teams are the best. You won't find a better collection of trash anywhere.
@@A_Hardy_Lopunnylegit until you get to 1200 no one uses more than one actually viable uber per team so you can just steamroll everything. Then they call you a legendary spammer xD
@@theschnozzler they just keep hating on Meteor Beam Dawn WIngs smh
@@theschnozzler I reckon a team with just 2 motorcycles and a dog could clear 1000 to 1300
ctc cooked so hard they had to ban the bridge
It would be the biggest power move if Archaludon gets banned to Ubers after Duraludon being PUBL in Gen 8
Biggest glow-up since Kingambit
@@ExpandDong420if you count paradox mons there’s fluttermane and a bunch of other mons. Flutter being so great in vgc makes me feel like it had an insane glow up.
@@balancemaster55 if we count paradox mons there's Iron Bundle
@@ExpandDong420 Not really, Bisharp has always been a solid OU or UU pokemon ever since Gen 5. All Kingabit did was take what made Bisharp good, and made it better.
idk doesn't seem noteworthy to me for an evo to be much better than the prevo. Like I assume Sneasel-H, Primeape Finizen, Flittle, Arctibax, etc are comparably if not more lowly ranked
They just need to buff solar beam to have the same effect in sun so Meganium can sweep the metagame
this is the smartest comment ive seen in this entire comment section
MEGANIUM SWEEP
The avg meganium fan brain cells
@@nabeelm8106 MEGANIUM SWEEP WILL BE REAL
I'll be honest, I'm all for banning and unbanning Mons, but we have had well over 20 separate mons that were in OU that has been banned to Ubers at one point or another since S/V came out. Hell, we've had an entire status condition Banned, and It wasn't altered at all from last GEN! Even worse, the council never gave the community a chance to decide on that. Something needs to change fast or I worry for the future. #StopBanningEverything
I agree there’s many mons that was banned this gen that really didn’t need to be banned!
@@lordmonarch2995wait which mons?
Not smogons fault so many busted mons were introduced, powercreep baby
@@lordmonarch2995 and yet, goldengho runs free
@@blazie42069Their fault for not adapting
I'm here pretty early and I've never been one to comment but I just want to say you're the GOAT Joey. Been following you since the BW days when I randomly saw you featured by rchizzle9 and been watching you since.
I don't always see every single vid but it's great to know that when I go on YT I can always count on a video by Pokeaimmd.
You helped shape my love for competitive pokemon and I appreciate everything.
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@@pokeaimMDwho do you think is next suspect post arch ban (probably)
the way you gasped when you saw the toucannon team was a moment of joy and beauty
OU council needs to chill
Edit: open the replies if you want to witness a war 😭
That council is filled with Gerbers
Says the guy with the name clown behavior
@@blazie42069what’s that got to do with the OU council? lol
Pay Smogonite no mind. Someone needs to join that council someone with a lot of followers and make appropriate changes. A lot of issues that Smogon has with their mons can be resolved if they implemented item clause. And some mons like Deoxys and Darkrai that obviously shouldn’t be there should be banned not mons like Chien-pao or Chi-yu!
@@lordmonarch2995if king gambit and gholdengo are allowed darkari and Deoxys should be too
How is Archaludon being considered for a ban but NOT Kingambit or Gholdengo?
Because the council likes them
@@devonchafe2764 most of the council members are pro ban on gambit, blame the playerbase for not banning it in the suspect a few months back
Gambit isn't ban worthy anymore now that skarm always beats it
The player base likes Kingambit and post DLC2 Kingambit has just enough checks that it’s tougher for the council to push for a ban
Tbh I feel like smogon should just be deleted they are incompetent and the game just keeps changing so fast that it’s impossible to keep up
Funny that they talked about it being an abuse of power to ban archaludon with a council vote when they just did the very same with sleep. Incredible insight
And they banned Houndstone instead of the clearly broken move way back, I basically lost any respect I may have had for them then
the houndstone thing is just smogon's policy to ban pokemon before they ban moves
before basculegion came along, houndstone was the one and only user of last respects, but when the fish arrived with the move, the council could finally ban the move itself with a Complex Ban
Honestly I would have preferred Houndstone staying ubers at this point cuz its just pretty shitty without it even in lower tiers. Kinda no point in bringing it down. But the logic with basc joining the roster makes sense so hey.
@@critking5633smogon has always done complex bans. They just use it arbitrarily whenever they feel like.
@@axis8396yea that was my last respect for them
Personally, I don't think banning it is necessary. It's not even a meta-defining pokémon, though it is very very strong. Kyurem is way stronger though, and that monster's still around, so...
I think Arch might be a little too consistent at getting at least a kill and a half. I’m kinda on the fence but I totally get why people think it’s overbearing. The fact that it can do its job super reliably without Tera is also a bit of an issue, you can play very flexibly with it in ways that you can’t as much with a few similar mons.
my argument is, if kingambit is in the tier, there's no reason to be suspecting them, there's a ton of monsters in the tier, Archaladon is just one of em
@ninjablade2 gambit at least offers notable defensive utility, which a lot of threats don't. Arch specifically is really only broken on rain but rain had damn near 90% win rate in spl week one and the meta has been very reactionary to that because of it, stall was incredibly common in gen 9 of all things. I personally think the meta will adapt but suspect was the right call.
@@ninjablade2king ambit isn’t as op as this tbh
@@ninjablade2maybe we should start getting rid of those monsters? OU is actually so horrible to play right now and getting rid of arch at the very least would help with that.
@@ninjablade2x is broken therefore we shouldn’t ban Y is a typical “I don’t play pokemon” argument
I don't think Archeludon will be banned, there's definitely counterplay to it. And it is basically the move that is broken in rain.
A 130 power 100 accurate move that raises users sp. Attack even if it doesn't hit. So even if you switch in a ground type there's the threatening stab +1 draco meteor coming after that... If anything just ban the move.
It's just rain being rain. Council is on drugs
33:55 THEY DID NOT JUST DIS MY BOY PELIPPER LIKE THAT! Specs Pelipper slaps so hard
The low ladder is truly a sight to behold sometimes. It looks normalish until it doesn't.
I think Tera is the biggest factor here, giving you free turns for Stamina to rack up along with Electro shot to where it's more and more difficult to lose
Without Tera many tiering placements would be shifted around
1, genuinely curious what all the critical commenters' rank is and frequency using/experiencing this
2, I think similar to last respects, this move in particular is what's absurd (free boost even against ground types to KO the next turn). I dont anticipate a complex ban since its a signature move, but thats what I'd personally vouch for. Otherwise, I support banning it - has a stranglehold on the meta and is far too easy to steamroll with once you position it correctly and tera at the right time. I'll *try* and get my req's and see if my mind changes along the way
And they bans that they’re making isn’t even balancing things it’s just making it less fun.
@@danielbarker2522 Fair points, though 'fun' is an extremely subjective term...lots get fun from having their say as to what is vs isn't balanced in the tier, restricts team building, etc. Of the large number of bans, I'm sure many can agree/understand a majority of them while disliking or being confused by a few - and it goes without saying the ripple effect that follows for each successive ban.
Side note, speaking of ripple effect...I've very much wanted tera-preview going back to the suspect a year ago, but no dice. I feel quite a few pokemon (Volc, Ape, Espathra, etc.) would be big threats but much easier to play with/against if this were in place. It also makes this gen very guess-heavy and tough to figure out long-term planning for me. The people wanted it to stay, and so be it I suppose...I definitely feel tera is 'fun' and allows for a lot of creativity but for the structure of competitive singles, it adds a lot of variables and complicates how broken things truly can be, including all the chatter about how "ban happy" the council can be despite them simply doing their best and going along with the people's say.
I don't tend to ladder past 1800 but I do get reqs for tests, I personally am voting no ban on this one, I like the defensive utility Arch brings and it's not clean-sweeping teams so it's not immediately overbearing. Its problematic aspects come from Rain as a whole, which should be looked at, but I don't think we should kill Arch for rain's sins.
@@danielbarker2522 you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the prupose of smogon and smogon tiers then. Anyone who thinks aiming for balance and consistency isn't fun are welcome to play bss, ubers, random battles etc.
@@serenolopez-darwin1975What defensive utility does arch have? You can't even argue to not ban because it keeps in checks X or Y like kingambit and kyurem.
I personally don't think a pokemon clean sweeping teams to be the only factor of whether to ban or not, but that is a difference in views.
And lastly, even if rain is the real culprit, we can always retest arch and ban rain. IMO it is kinda dumb to not ban something because you think something else is broken.
AV Arch has maybe one or two consistent switch ins that are meta relevant. If you swap in to an Electro Shot with a ground type, you have to be ready for a +1 Draco Meteor or be able to outspeed and ohko it. The problem is Arch is only weak to Ground and Fighting types, which are both have mostly physical attacks. Iron Treads can swap into Electro Shot, but can only barely get a 2hko with max special attack Earth Power, and thats if the Arch has 0 def or spdef investment. Also, the Arch always has the option to tera and stomp its check, although I don't really like to tera it since its Steel/Dragon typing is so good vs special attackers. The worst part is the special walls need to be concerned about Body Press. Its steel typing makes it immune to toxic, meaning there are few means of passive damage to take it down. Its 85 base speed means its faster than most special walls. So when you start chipping it down with like blissey seismic toss or clodsire earth power, you start giving them defense boosts. Now they can just smack your special wall with a boosted Body Press. Also, Arch is usually on rain which usually have easy ways of slapping around ground types, and Barraskewda tends to take advantage of its counters. Clodsire cannot run Water Absorb and Unaware, so you have to choose whether its beating Barraskewda or Archaludon. IDK why I felt like typing all of this out, I guess I'm just frusturated with how powercrept OU is anymore and it feels unfun when half of the tier's mons can just use nuke moves.
Reading these comments, I have come to the conclusion that most Pokeaimd viewers aren't very active in the general Smogon community beyond this channel
And how high on the OU ladder are you?
@@lordmonarch2995 I'm not good lol, somewhere around the 1400's. But when there is a suspect, I read up on the forums about the different sides of the suspect. What I got from these comments were that people were just angry something was getting suspected, without looking into the reasons behind it. If they read up, I feel like they would be less pissed about it.
Yeah, I haven't played in a couple months (ngl gen 9 teambuilding is too much of a pain sometimes, and with wrist issues I have to pick between pokemon or other games, so I've been playing others), which is why I don't have strong opinions on this beyond having disliked tera from the start of gen 9. @@jonathanhurckes67
@jonathanhurckes67 People are angry because smogon is pushing it with all the bans and not letting the meta settle a bit.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Eh, it's been pretty lax for a bit. The last mon banned was Terapagos in December, and the only mon looked at since then was Kyurem. Generally people see this meta as a lot more stable than pre-indigo disk, a lot of the mons people were afraid of have settled, like Deoxys Speed and Iron Boulder.
You can even reach 1M subs at this pace, love your content
I’m an ubers main so I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but looking in as a spectator, I don’t think it’s as much of a problem as something like gambit or gold. Or hell, even Raging Bolt is obscenely good rn. I do see the rationale though and I’m at least glad that it’s suspect tested and not quick-banned like sleep, with which I vehemently disagree.
Finally, someone who is approaching this normally
gen 9 ou is truly hell.
this powercreep is insane
Honestly I feel the OU council need to stop banning everything and let people learn and adapt before you even start testing. There are some clear outliers like annihalape but a lot of bans seem rushed compared to the old OU meta's.
Bingo. There is barely any time for things to settle. Some of the time-frames between bans have been insane. Metas tend to find a way to balance themselves out over time, it's just a matter of leaving it long enough to find out if something is actually a problem or not, or if it's just a new tool and people need to just figure out how to handle it.
Those Smogon turds are filled with babies that are mentally incapable of figuring it out! They don’t wanna figure it out they wanna copy and paste what they see off of Smogon university, play, win and be toxic on showdown! They’re scum!
@@tyranitararmaldoMy guy, we had over a month to "adapt" and even though we "adapted" its probably the worst OU currently. Kind of ridiculous to say just wait for stuff to settle down...
I am sick at the moment and your vids really help me through this. Keep up the great work :)
Get well soon!
I thought the OU council was kidding! I thought it was a joke! I even wrote it down in my diary - Finchinator had a very funny joke today. I laughed about it later that night!
I know it’s needed for balancing, but all this banning is killing me. It feels like after a week a team is unviable because (usually a prevalent) mon was banned from the tier. Haven’t touched OU in a very long time for that reason.
Been playing a LOT of VGC though. Reg F is very fun, with a lot of team archetypes that are viable even at the highest level
VGC is the only legal game on behalf of The Pokémon Company, so the Smogon players can do whatever they want.
That's because the balance of the game was not designed around singles. And smogon just cant admit that any attempt at trying to artificially balance this mess is a doomed one. They think that banning a flavor of the month pokemon will fix everything. I suspect the only reason this is being suspected is becuse council members just kept getting clapped on ladder so they decided that it needed to be gone.
@@gb4206Council listens to the players bud. Not how it works.
@gb4 you hit the nail on the head!
@@gb4206there are player surveys and Archaludon had the most support of any mon to be suspected
At this point, just ban it. Let's just ban everything until we get teams of just a Kingambit. Why not, it's consistent and fair, that's fun right?
Loved the fact that you enjoy all the different teams especially can't wait for the Toucannon live now :)
It's fine. There are plenty of other mons that if they get rolling they can get out of control, it's impossible to prepare for everything. If they ban Arch then something else will just take its place.
Day 80 of asking for Choice Specs Kingambit
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kingambit Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Great Tusk: 436-514 (100.4 - 118.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Steel Kingambit Steel Beam vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Gliscor: 384-452 (109 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As an HO player, I have no problem with the bridge. But when I play balance, pivoting around it can be really tricky especially since stamina triggers also when you use Uturn or Volt Switch on it.
It's funny seeing Joey expect low ladder to actually be smart.
I don't see why this is even in question when raging bolt and kyurem are still in the tier ngl. I understand how strong it is on rain but outside of it glowing and ghold both wall.
I think banning electro shot is honestly a better move since that's clearly the single factor which pushes this Mon over the edge
@@jamesthomas9532Please read Smogons Tiering Policy towards complex bans before making such statements.
Haven't played since the travesties that were sword and shield, and stayed away from all Pokemon news since. You're the only person I kept my sub to, and hence my only source of mons content.
I just wanted to say that I have never seen Archaludon do anything in your videos until this one. The suspect test surprised me.
Lmao this was posted just the right day, I got swept by an Archaludon last night and this video reminded me to get a ground type on my team :DDD
Definitely think Stamina was too powerful of an ability to give to a steel / dragon mon with pseudo legendary stats. Electro shot in rain is definitely strong too. On the other hand, is this thing really the biggest issue in OU right now? I mean I’ve barely played OU since the stupid sleep ban, so am somewhat out of the loop, but it didn’t seem that overwhelming back then.
This mon is going to die for Rain's sins. Rain is obviously broken, it's all over SPL and ladder. But Arch is just part of the problem, and losing a good defensive glue mon that checks a lot of garbage with its unique typing because its wallbreaking on Rain is too strong is a shame.
Yeah, I definitely felt like rain was busted when I was last playing, so few mons can actually stand up to tera water rain sweepers, and other rain mons can weaken those pretty well. Especially with amoongus, probably the most reliable option for it due to regen plus grass typing, taking a huge nerf with the spore ban.
I agree, at this point send drizzle to ubers
My opinion on banning Archaludon is
I hope they don’t bub
Agreed
@@Peter96er hi Peter
@@6staduellinks766 I thought it was a pretty nuanced take so I’m glad it resonated with you
Based
17:20 this legit looks like a draft team
Tbh I think they should be looking at Roaring Moon again instead of this guy, still does what it did before with the only difference being that the metagame has a lot more fast threats now. While Arch is really good at being able to trade with almost anything and is incredibly hard to switch into on rain between Electro Shot+Body Press, defensively it can usually only do its job once or twice and offensively is it held back by its low speed.
Try a multi weather team :
Archaludan with power herb. Meteor beam, electroshot ,solar beam and flash cannon . Torkoal ,peliper, walking wake , raging bolt and iron boulder with solar blade and mighty cleave. (Side note trust in the max hp and sp.df archaludon) this team is a dream in doubles
If Archaludon gets banned, I’m calling the OU council the “OU clowncil” from now on (not really, I just don’t think Archaludon is broken)
how did a donaphan variant end up as a special attacker in gen 9?
Arch under the rain, enemy has no ground or pokemon with the ability to absorb electric type moves is dangerous. But, one could argue the move itself is op
the clown council never fails to deliver comedy
This is genuinely stupid. The OU council needs to be kicked after what they did to sleep. Archaladon isnt OP by any means.
If Kyurem who has no switchin stayed, why would Archaludon be banned. The OU council needs to calm down
Archaludon loses to clef and quag/clodsire
Kyruem loses to Scizor then depending on tera any other priority mon
@@Gonshotbarzbut all of those lose to a banded barawskewda in the rain because they have to be unaware to deal with Archaludon.
But yeah I don't think it should be banned. If anything just ban the move.
@@ewutermohlento be fair, this isn't like houndstone. Arch is broken because of its typing, stats and the nove electro shot.
He has a defensive and offensive speed boost move I run scarf Pokémon and spd scizor I never had a problem with kyurem
I have some questions about the ideas I keep seeing in comment sections.
My opinion may be ill-informed - I'm nothing special on the ladder. That said, if the power level increased (it has), shouldn't that mean we should have a new, more powerful OU, and mons that were OU in previous gens should fall down?
In other words, mostly what we've seen happen?
I keep seeing the sentiment that power creep causing old OU mons to fall to RU or whatnot is a bad thing. But it seems very natural, and makes me wonder if folks are refusing to let go of their old conceptions of what the tiers "ought" to be.
That, or they're treating "X historically good mon fell to Y tier" like it's some kind of death sentence to be aghast about. I don't understand it. The mons are generally the same, or better than ever, performing in tiers with roughly the same power levels of their old stomping grounds. But "losing" the "OU" label is upsetting?
I'd welcome some other explanation, if anyone can offer one, or just more context. I'd particularly like to hear from people who believe power creep is bad.
@@danielbarker2522 Thank you! That was very helpful.
Yes, if no thought was put into balacing pokémon, we’d see the proportion of old gen pokémon in OU fall as new generations get an equal amount of pie (take a few percent more or less since the number of pokémon added isn’t equal every gen).
However, pokémon are created by game designers who do have game balance in mind and have the responsibility to prevent two pokémon from being too alike and giving them unique roles that don’t directly outclass previous pokémon that way both mons can coexist in a tier syncretically instead of competing for the same place.
The problem is that not only have they not being doing this, they’re doing the opposite, newer generations are vastly overrepresented in OU compared to older generations (remember, if we were generating pokémon at random, it should be an equal amount, so this must be done on purpose), hell, gen 2 doesn’t even have a pokémon in OU. Not only that, but newer pokémon are directly better than older ones, Glowking is just a more minmaxed Slowking, Sneasler is simply superior to Hawlucha.
This is probably because the Pokémon Company has being paying more attention to the official competitive scene (just look at the Indigo Disk DLc if you need proof, or that animated series) and want the new and shiny pokémon they created to be at the spotlight instead of those old boring ones, especially the DLC mons, to force players who want to play competitively to buy the DLC.
No one like to see their old favorite meta staples for 6 generations to be substituted by a new pokémon Game Freak made to be specifically better so people spent more money
@@shitsalad429 First of all, thank you! I'm going to disagree with you some, but I appreciate your insight a lot. There's definitely some truth to what you said, at least with some of the DLC Pokémon like Ogerpon and Urshifu.
I'm thinking about why what you're saying is less agreeable to me than the other fellow. While I can't count out confirmation bias, I think it really comes down to a difference in opinion.
Personally, I actually quite like the idea of new generations making old metagame staples obsolete in OU. I've always felt that, up until the last few years, GF either didn't have a great idea about what made Pokémon good, or, much more likely, didn't care. Each generation was a mixed bag of treasure and trash. But in Gen 9 (and 8, to a lesser extent), new Pokémon are consistently very good, which I'm a big fan of. (Aside from, like, Spidops and Dachsbun). Gen 2 had a couple highlights and a lot of...not highlights. And since all that's true for the base game, I don't really think it's possible for power creep to be some kind of marketing ploy, like in the TCG. Tusk, Gambit, and Ghold are all base game.
Except for Ogerpon and Urshifu, I'll definitely give you that.
So...yeah. I don't really know where that leaves us. It's very tempting for me to rationalize your opinion as "oh, they're just stubborn and stuck in the past," but there's really no reason to believe that. It's just as valid to like older Pokémon as it is to like newer ones. We like different things - I can understand that. Maybe in a decade I'll be lamenting UU Baxcalibur and wishing I could go back to these days, not because of nostalgia, but just because I liked this generation.
Although, all that really just applies to OU. The dex is huge now - there's tons of older Pokémon in lower tiers. Heck, people are even drawing comparisons between lower tiers and former OU tiers. But if you're not satisfied, that probably means you think there's something special about that "OU" designation. If that's the case, could you fill me in on why?
@@michaelvisosky743 I think another problem is people get so diuluted in thinking UU mons are inherently 'bad' JUST cause they are labeled UU, heck, Manaphy is RU this month and even Finchy said it was perfectly viable and can sweep unprepared teams.
One sorta analogy i have was, last months stats, Weavile rose to OU and Hydrapple droped to UU, yet the two were literally neckonneck on the border of % usage on what seperates OU from UU.
Yet you really did have people out there saying weavile is a godsend and hydrapple is trash, its nonsense and people's brains see labels and instantly dismiss mons because of it =/
When does solar beam start giving plus 1
Archaludon is a really cool pokemon. It has a unique offensive feel. It really feels like a tank, like an ACTUAL tank: slow, hard to hurt, hits INCREDIBLY hard, but has weakpoints and counter-strategies. I recently got into laddering again and just to ease myself in started with a rain team, and Archaludon is so fun to play, with his unique entry points and offensive strategy. Thanks for the grassy terrain idea! I've been trying to make Rilla and Blaziken work in gen 9 but everything I build is too passive, I might include Arch. Assault vest is cool but I like lefties and defense investment to really put a hard stop to physical threats.
As for the potential ban...
I find it very tiresome that anything that is offensively reliably is considered a problem.
Defensive reliability? No problem.
A mon, played well, maintains momentum and gets kills? A threat to the integrity of competitive play.
Council is so fraudulent and biased. Kingambit and Iron Valiant are more oppressive, adaptable, and dangerous than Arch, but because they established themselves early on in the meta, they're the familiar threats to "account for" when teambuilding. Anytime something new shows up, it's a problem. Once you understand the consistent baseline logic for OU suspects is "if this is an offensive threat that is not accounted for by our established and familiar defensive cores, it's a problem".
I understand I'm not in the top 1% of players but I trust my intuition. Kyurem, I can sort of understand the reasoning for his ban (even if I don't agree) but Archaludon? Overall he's easier to take down, is less splashable when teambuilding, and while very strong, isn't going to catch you completely off guard (electro shot, body press, STAB special moves, maybe some niche coverage).
I could see a lure physical set with EQ or a sneaky speed creeper with t-wave perhaps putting ants in some people's pants but he doesn't seem banworthy. Always just seems like tourney players circlejerking each other over the latest "teambuilding restrictor".
wait if you ban 20-25 strong mons then their wont be strong mons to contest new mons right?
Archaludon can consistently get a kill or even two. A well matched up Iron defense or AV set can even solo a weakened team or heavily mess with a healthy one.
Shouldn't be banned, Archaludon offers stability and a much better steel dragon to OU
Okay take this how you will but I feel like the OU council only ban things that most of them can't beat or find annoying to play against which isn't a way to build up your skills. You learn more from losing than winning all of the time. That's just my 2 cents tho.
yup clear track record of banning anything that gives defense a hard time. kyurem almost got banned for having no safe switchins
how long have you played Gen 9 OU? because you'd know that the council are suspecting mons based on what the skilled player base voted on in the survey that happened a few weeks ago. If you care so much about this, then go vote on the survey and suspects.
@@critking5633 The thing is after the council banned sleep without consulting the community, and now with Arch it's survey vote avg was only 2.6/5, which is far farrr below the norm causing people that have been quietly grumbling about the questionable decisions of the council are slowly getting louder and louder with every over step of the community, perceived or otherwise
@@ninjablade2but consider this, ursaluna blood moon got a 2.3(or something like that) in the surveys, yet when suspect tested, it got a overwhelming 90%+ ban. Sometimes common sense is better than community surveys.
Whenever I play Arch, it feels like it can take on anything. But whenever I face Arch, it's like the easiest thing to kill, even on rain teams.
Often times, Arch is easily countered by another Arch, even with no def boost just by phasing it out with dragon tail.
I think using a mon to counter itself isn't a particularly strong argument against a ban.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 how about the ubiquity of common checks like tusk and gliscor
@@waves5249gliscor is ohko by a +1 Draco(while arch lives an eq) same with great tusk. So at worst(for the rain player) it is a one for one trade with rain.
But both of them lose to rain threats like Barra so the rain user can just double switch.
@@waves5249 oh of course I should use physical attackers on a very physically bulky mon that gets even MORE physically bulky after it gets hit each time, how stupid of me!
@@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350 even at +2, standard tusk is still doing 40%. Arch is going to be heavily chipped throughout the battle, so that should be enough to faint or for another mon to faint it.
Me and the boys just finished reqs and arch got 2 kills minimum every single game. We ran assault vest mainly but near the end we put on scarf to see what we could pick off and it still went in every game. I really like the mon and as of now will vote no ban but I can see why it’s on the radar 😅
Not sure if Archaludon should be banned or Electro Shout...
Archaludon is clearly VERY strong, but I mean they left Kinggambit in the game for some reason
normally i would be against, but since smogon gen9 OU is a complete joke now that they removed sleep, i think they should ban archaludon so the meta becomes even more stale and with even less variety, they also should ban kyurem and darkrai for more staleness
I run a bulky Arch with Assault Vest
Electro Shot, Snarl, Flash Cannon and Thunder (might change to third move) and I have yet to lose with it
Did we get a Verdict on Kyurem yet?
yeh not banned, 51% vote to ban if memory serves (60% required)
Day 11 of asking you to use all three Volcarona forms on the same team on the OU ladder.
The council is a freaking circus. Next they’ll wanna ban Revaroom because of bad CO2 emissions.
truth
as a spectator, i don't understand why they go for fully banning pokemon instead of just banning certain strategies or moves on them. like if archaludon is so overbearing because of it's stats, ability, and moves all coming together to make it powerful, then you could just take one of those away (electro shot in this case) and it would still be a perfectly useable (tho probably lower tier) pokemon that doesn't break the game
If gamefreak doesnt start making balance patches or something like that, well still have brokemons running around and smogon suspecting everything
All these bans are getting ridiculous, it’s no wonder so many people seem to be stepping away from OU
is archaludon techincally a Pseudolegendary? since base 600 stats have not been seen on any non mega or non legendary pokemon before
It is indeed
Nah cuz its not 3 stage
People don't use unaware clef able anymore 😔 then when they do its so awful
I feel like the OU council is just avoiding banning Kingambit by finding some other mon to suspect test.
They suspected Kingambit, people voted No Ban
mfs will literally come up with conspiracy theories instead of acknowledging the actual statements the OU council has repeatedly made
Kingambit has been suspect tested several times before. At this point, players are tired of it and prefer suspect testing other mons that could be overwhelming instead of the same thing over and over and over again.
Suspect testing Archaludon yet Kingambit is still running around, the Counsil needs to stop smoking 😂
That's why there was so many rain teams today!
Having played a little bit while being completely unskilled, I feel electro shot may be an acceptable ban over the mon itself, but I understand if they ban it.
Instead of banning entire mons they can just ban the move like they did with Last Respects. It’s better to ban hypnosis than get rid of sleep as a whole… or get rid of electro shot instead of archaludon as a whole
So if we banned STAB Mobes and made it Level 70 mega ray wouldn't be broken in OU.
You need like 2 mons to take him down unless you use clod
I have way more issue stealth rock having potential damage from 3-50% on pokemon all throughout the game unless there is removal... Its just silly to me how that exists. Stealth rock should do 12% across the board on everything then limit spikes to 2 as opposed to 3
Agree, but that's a change for pokemon to make, the only real thing smogon can do, without modding the game (which is generally a nonstarter outside of very, very specific stuff like sleep clause in the past), is either ban stealth rocks (was discussed in gens 4 and 5, when removal options were way worse, but not as much since boots made it so that stealth rock weak mons just don't get to run other items, rather than often being outright terrible like often was the case in the past), or ban/unban mons to make removal easier (so in gen 9 that'd probably mean a gholdengo ban, but even that wouldn't fully fix the fact that there just aren't that many good mons with removal options).
@@auroraourania7161 The digger is no real issue id say it is just the annoyance of hazards more so stealth rock and how it can just stay on the field regardless of removal or mons like digger. That's how stall wins it out just causing switches and such.. too passive of a way to win and it just disables the ability to truly utilize sets and pokemon... Just off one click it just forces boots or removal on a team of fire bug flying types etc it's very lame and overlooked.
We're in 2024 and someone still complaining about rocks. Rocks are part of the game and a competitive staple, if you don't take in account the existence of hazards when teambuilding then that's your own fault
Archaludon makes Rainy Day Teams fun. Rain + Electro Shot immediately after special attack boost + Assault vest + Stamina = WTF Man!!
Suspect bans feel more like "last call before the pokemon is gone" nowadays. #stopbanningeverything
lmfao kyurem literally survived genius. so did gambit.
@royal you’re desperate for attention. You pathetic little magget
It’s a joke lad chill
Don’t promote the behavior of trolls, that makes you just as bad as them.
@@lordmonarch2995 hey lad shh i didnt ask
i dont think it deserves to be banned its good yeah but not unstoppable
What is up with the ou council this time around? Why are they so ban happy, atleast this isnt another quickban. But also, if Kyurem is staying, why is he getting a suspect though.
day ~6 of asking if anyone can help me find the og vid for ctc's "never exhaust" quote came from
do u play in vgc format? been seeing singles content
Not really
I mean if Kyreum didnt get the hammer why the fuck should Arch?
this mon would not hold its own in ubers, council needs to chill, theres better pokemon in the tier and half the time rain is so good cause of skewda shredding cores then arch gets to take advantage of that, its not necessarily one pokemons being so broken, its just they took sneasler out so grass arch rilla sneasler core would breakdown rain but apparently everything is archs fault for being one of the coolest mons in the tier, gambit and tusk and deoxys speed and the dragondog trio need to go before arch if they wanna start banning shit
Joey, if you use that toucannon team, please use its shiny
why do people play special treads over physical?
Earth Power does alot more damage into Arch, Gambit, Dhengo, and Tusk. Along with alot of suicide leads using steel beam
I’m ngl this vid kind of convinced me that archaludon should be banned. But it might just be that you’re playing low ladder. There’s also so many busted mons in OU anyway so idk. I’m more in favor of banning electro shot if anything (I’m a casual who mostly plays ran bats)
To be fair, he play in 1000 leader, You can win all the time there if You have experience, just look the plays they do xD
Suspecting arch whilst volc, roaring moon, gambit and more are still in the tier kinda brazy tbh
THIS
Council on drogas as usual. Some kid shat on some council member in the 1200s with archauldon and so here we are. 🤧
You think they that high?
@@Heph-NSByes
Okidogi with guard dog ability max spdef is the perfect counter
They gota put garg back in OU this mf is so annoying bro 😭
im all for a bridge ban if it means i’ll stop seeing rain on the ladder
I would need to see more from higher ladder games before I make a decision
So why you picking on zangoose what he do to you?
Gliscor needs to be 252+ to have a 50/50 chance to do 10% on a tera fairy +5 Arch
Why not consider banning Electro Shot instead? That seems stronger than Last Respects.
We try to avid complex bans whenever possible, because even mega ray without attacking moves isn't broken in ou. It also mekes Tiering less complex.
What if they just unban everything and see what’s the problem (except of course the definite Ubers)
I one shot an archaludon with a focus blast from glowking. So yes it is really good but obviously has ways to beat it so I think it's fine
Honestly I think Archaludon is just as good/broken as barraskewda/bolt on rain, just ban rain or restrict tera at this point.
Also power herb sturdy Archaludon is a hidden gem.