You left out an extremely important step at the end, before putting the covers back on. Rotate the engine by hand very slowly making sure there is no interference to verify you got the timing lined up properly. Finding this out after you put it together and crank it will ruin your whole year.
@@ninjazzrhythm400 if you check the comments, they are recommending that it not be done for fear the chain will jump. I think I'd turn the crank around to verify clearance, then turn it back and see if the marks are still aligned. I wouldn't just trust that it's all timed properly and crank under power.
@Rick West, If He had told you to Check that the Flat sides on the back of the Cams are up and Parallel with the top of the Head when the Crankshaft gear is at the 8 O'clock position, then your Motor Wouldn't be Ruined.. This is a Good Video that is WITHOUT the Main Instructions to Be Sure that your Timing is Correct BEFORE You Ever Loosen a Bolt after your Covers are Off (Plenum, Valve Covers, Timing Cover).. Thanks
This video was THEE most helpful in getting through this job! Even still, 4 years later Mr. Smith is still answering emails! Excellent customer service! 👌🏾 Cloyes for the win! 🏆
Anyone that is doing this job along with removing the heads to replace bent valves, don't just assume the chain skipped some teeth due to being stretched causing valve to piston contact. Remove the cam actuators(phasers) from the cams and inspect the locating pins in the actuators and the slot in the cam that the pin fits into for shear damage. I just bought a 2006 Cadillac SRX with the 3.6L with 129K miles and all the exhaust valves on the passenger bank were bent so I assumed that cam had jumped some teeth. I pulled both heads, replaced the bent valves and did a valve job on both heads. I got the heads back on and started timing the engine with the new timing set and all was fine until I got to the stage 2 timing for the right bank cams. The intake cam lined up just right with the colored link on the chain but the exhaust cam sprocket was about 40 degrees rotated clockwise. I put a wrench on the actuator bolt to turn it back for the marks to line up and with very little pressure, the bolt came loose. I knew these are torqued at 43lb ft so this was weird it cam loose so easily so I went ahead and removed the bolt and took the actuator off and I saw what actually caused the valve damage. The actuator had spun on the cam and the locating pin was laid over sideways and the hole for the pin and the slot was totally wallowed out and from the damage to the actuator, it was clear that the actuator had spun many revolutions independent of the cam. I can't imagine how this happened unless the bolt was not torqued properly at the factory or if maybe the timing chains and guides had been replaced before and a mechanic loosened and then forgot the tighten it back. This is probably a very rare occurrence but it's still worth the time to remove the actuators and check the pins if your engine has bent valves.
Thanks for the tip. How long did it take you to replace the chain, I know you did heads also. I am trying to come up with a price to give my friend to replace the chain. Thanks
Excellent video. Straight, to the point and easy to understand. As a professional mechanic I appreciate that. And Cloyes is a leader in timing products.
I have seen a lot of video's and people comment and says the best ever ...now I know why ...the best and easiest show and tell ever ...super simple u are the MAN
I think I bought a Cloyes double roller timing chain for my Pontiac 400 thirty three years ago. It was adjustable. Not one but three off set key slots cut into the crank sprocket. Providing multiple combinations of cam TDC settings. You could really dial in your engine for power. I learned how to degree cams for the first time on that engine. Thank you. Cloyes!
Back in the day I installed one into my my 69 400 RA GTO engine, had it tach'd out on a corner and tossed the cam out the oilpan.. I had just put in a rebuilt 4 speed where the builder used Jeep bearings, said they were tad noisier but stronger, I had thought the trany blew, coasted a mile home from inertia, when got home looked under and saw cam chunk hanging out pan.. the chain was broke, had a crane fireball cam and must have touched a valve using that 3 degree mark, never did find exact reason engine was destroyed.. got heads redone, kept those, still on shelf.. car long gone.. if they had those cameras on a cable back then could have checked clearance, must have been close.. putty and wasting gaskets sounded like a waste, wish had done it now...
Great video, I just completed the timing chains on my cts. Your video was very helpful for chain installation. Its a big job for a diy guy but it beats the $3600 shop bill. Thanks for the vid
Did my '10 Buick Lacrosse with 3.0l v6 in frame wasn't bad at all!...i was down to the chains In about 45mins but beware guys that right bank is gonna give you the blues because the timing marks are ever so slightly off...and the phasers are gonna want to roll on you you!...its best to get the camshaft retainers to hold the cams still while you degree the marks!...other than that pretty easy job!...
Best explanation I've seen on here explaining the 3.6. and the chunk the rachet at the end.(dropped mic) just made it that much better lol. Thanks very helpful bud
Maybe, I just got a friends Acadia that was towed to the stealership after losing power, and failing to restart. They have disassembled the entire top end. All in boxes. I have no idea which cam is which or what bolt goes where- it’s a great big jigsaw puzzle. They wanted to replace the engine for 8k. So yeah? I don’t know that it’s better...
VIDEO IS INCOMPLETE! What is shown is correct, HOWEVER, when the video talks about setting stage 1 and 2 timing. During this step MAKE SURE the flat side of the rear of each camshaft is facing UP, otherwise you will not find the timing marks in the locations shown in the video. It makes the whole process much more complicated trying to figure out how to properly line the marks up once the chains are off
Good video to watch before doing the timing chain job. I did the chains in the car. It was a 2008 Buick Enclave. It wasn’t too bad to do. Hardest part was removing the vibration dampener. I had a second person to help me install the chains for about 30 minutes to make sure the chains were lined up correctly.
Great video, thanks. Was about to purchase a VE Holden that has the 3.6ltr with the troublesome timing chain, but you have helped talk me out of it. I am a former mechanic and can do this job myself, but life's too short to be dealing with a GM's penny pinching engineering.
Great video. Helped me replace the chains in my 2010 Acadia. As an added note because I found out the hard way, you may need to buy a new gasket and bolts for the water pump if you’re pulling your timing cover. Got the motor back together and was running well but started overheating. The water pump bolts to the outside of the timing cover. According to GM those bolts are a one time use and are supposed to be torqued to yield. I couldn’t find just the bolts so ended up having to buy a whole new pump.
New Bolts Required, New Torque Specification on HFV6 Water Pump July 2, 2012 A new water pump fastening procedure has been implemented on all High Feature V6 engines (2.8L, 3.0L, and 3.6L) on all models (2004-2013 model years) to help reduce the potential for water pump gasket leaks. This new procedure requires NEW bolts to be used when attaching a water pump. It also requires a third pass with an additional 45 degree turn when tightening the bolts. The new torque procedure puts the bolts into yield, so the bolts MUST be replaced when they are removed. Old/reused bolts will break if reinstalled. The following procedure applies to all model years and all RPOs of the HFV6 engine. 1. Ensure that the engine front cover and water pump are clear of old gasket material. 2. Ensure that the water pump mounting bolt holes in the front cover are completely clean and dry. 3. Place a new water pump gasket on the water pump. 4. Place the water pump in position on the front cover. 5. Install the water pump bolts finger tight. 6. Tighten the water pump bolts in sequence to 10 N·m (89 lb. in.). 7. Tighten the water pump bolts a second pass in sequence to 10 N·m (89 lb. in.). 8. Tighten the bolts a final pass in the sequence shown an additional 45 degrees.
The fact this video has a million views speaks volumes. Both to quality of the video and kit, and GM's design flaws. I have a Cadillac CTS with a 2.8L, I'll be buying this kit and installing it on a 3.6L to put in my car, and the failed 2.8L to recoup some of my expenses. Great vid👍
Thanks, Cody Smith, for a very informative and instructional video. Every critical point was covered including reference to torque settings on every one of the bolts. The demonstration appeared to have been done on an engine set up for the purpose, so that time could be saved, and the 8.42 minute video showed just what was necessary. If someone required the use of a torque-wrench to be demonstrated, I am sure they could find classes elsewhere for that.
It is worth noting that all 4 cam phasers have both the L and R timing marks and if the engine has lots of varnish or is just dirty the L or R will be very hard to see. The video does not show the close up of the right cam phasers. On the engine I did this on, the right hand bank timing marks were little triangles and the left hand marks were little dots. Cloyes, It would be a good idea to be very specific about this point due to all the phasers having both sets of marks. Other than that, a very informative video and easy to understand.
Wow this video made it look so easy , ive seen over 20 videos on how to properly get the timing marks intact , below 👇 i saw some comments regsrding rotating the crank just to be sure u have no interference and i actually have to agree 👍 on that thanks guys 😅
Very common issue on these! if you get a p0017 p0018 p0019 you probably have a stretched chain. the Ecotec 2.2 and 2.4. also have timing chain issues.. first sign is a rattling noise on a cold start. Great video!!
Thanks for this... I tore my motor apart 2 months ago due to a seized crank and while I could have scatched my head and done this by reading the book, this video got it back together in a few mins. Thanks!!
Was there any damage due to the seized crank, this has happened to my 3.0 terrain. I have the heads off, only damage i see so far is teeth on sprockets…a few are shiny. Once I got the passenger side head off i could spin crank. Quite perplexed at the moment
Me surtieron cadena de distribución para un motor Q2.5L Xtrail 2005 nadamás tengo una duda con la lubricación de aceite del tensador de la cadena no queda en la posición del orificio me pueden ayudar si es el correcto la cadena
Cody you the man! I watched this video like 10 times before I did this repair myself with this Cloyes kit and it worked Amazing! Car runs super smooth and quiet. Thanks again for the great tutorial video. 😎🤙👍🏽
@@bmo5082 patience is key with this repair, it took me 3 days and about 18 hours total. I replaced valve cover gaskets,front timing cover seals, pcv valve..etc. Anything that I came across including spark plugs. I made this repair in the vehicle too so work space is limited.Key points when removing the timing chains 3x check your marks and leave your Rear cams chain on phasers until ready to swap for new one- this helps keep your 10 tooth count spacing, even then you may need to back up the very rear phaser a little. Other than than just clear everything out of the way ..every inch helps. Lastly when removing the P/s resevoir be careful it's super brittle lol I broke mine and had to order a new one. Happy safe wrenching and take your time especially when siliconing the front timing cover back on. Thanks
That was very clear and a great demonstration of how to replace the timing chains, timing chain stretching it is a common problem with the VZ VE & VF series, here in Australia thank you for that guide now i can an idea what to do cheers.
Cool vid, but would've liked to see which sprocket to line up in correlation to circle and triangle. Also is there a reason you rotated counter clockwise to get to stage 1 vs clockwise?
Hey I just got my chain replace but there's a nocking where the timing chain and I started the Buick every morning it sounds loud and then it stops when is warm but now is being two months and is now doing it when is warm
I ended up buying them myself. You need them if you wanna pull the phasers off, so you can undo the nut, without pulling the camshafts out. They are handy to hold the camshafts in place while you hang the timing chains too, although the marks are clear, and you could go without.
When rotating by hand there is a small chance of the chain jumping out of time due to the lack of oil pressure in the tensioners and the valve spring pressures affecting the camshafts. This is the only reason we advise against it. Chances are you will have no issues.
I come back to this video every couple of months to do another one of these. My only suggestion is PLEASE mention that you need the "R"s on the right bank at the top before removing the timing components. Every single one I've done has already been on the 1TDC stroke. The most recent one on an 06 Cadillac was on the opposite stroke, so when I removed the chain I was shocked when a cam jumped half way around. You MUST have the "R"s on the right bank at the top before removing the components. It seems like a no brainer, but if you just open the video and go without thinking about it you could very easily bend some valves. It is extremely difficult to retime it properly to get it to the correct stages once the chain is removed.
Hello Cheddarwedge, I did the same thing when following the video, after removing the tensioner and chain the right bank VVT camshafts sprung inwards and know the "R"s are facing down!! Can you please advise how you managed to get it back in the upward position? Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Ron
@@ronaldwhitmore175 It was mostly a guessing game when I did it. If I remember correctly, I kept coming to this video to see the orientation of the CMP pickup on the phasers in regards to the timing marks on both banks. Keep in mind the crank turns twice for a single cam turn, So the marks on the right bank should be 180 degrees from where they are in the video/correct position at the start. Get the chain as close as you can to "right," then go to the correct position.
Timing marks are near impossible to see in the vehicle. A borescope is a handy tool to have in this job. Thanks for the video I did this job less than two years ago now I'm putting your chain in there.
Need to know if it have to be on compression stroke, I have a 2010 Camaro 3.6 and someone didn’t put it in timing correctly and the starter is dragging bad on it like it doesn’t want to turn over
You can only time it one way, with the marks on the cam sprockets up and the mark on the crankshaft sprocket aligned. If you are on the incorrect stroke the camshaft sprocket marks will be pointed down.
Year later, but... for anyone else... make sure the washers between the intake phasers and cam caps are the correct thickness. If they're too thick it will virtually lock up both the intake cams. Just put a wrench on the cams flats and give it a wiggle (no chain on of course!). It should move freely.
Did you have to move the allignment on the first to second chains to line up marks properly??? And how did you rotate it I see you didn't use the crank bolt??
Yes, we used the flex plate to rotate the engine in the video. With the engine in the vehicle you can slide the balancer onto the crank and rotate by hand with the spark plugs removed.
I don't know. It could take over a hundred before all the marked chain links realign. The marks on the sprockets will all go back to where they started every 2 crank rotations.
Need some advice on how to get the right side in time. Chain was removed without knowledge of what to do I guess. Now I am trying to line it out. Can old chain be put back on with tensioner and guides and go from there. Left bank seems to be fine and cam lock tools fits and marks seems to be in correct place. How would I know how many revolutions to turn crank to know forsure right bank is where it needs to be. If cam lock tool fits does that mean it is where it needs to be as long as the timing marks on phasers is in correct position? Also if cams are close can I use wrench on them to get them to where am lock tool will fit.
Yes, if the phaser marks are where they need to be then you are good. You can use a wrench to slightly turn the cams so the phaser marks align properly with the chain (or so the holding tool installs.)
Great video! My case is very complicated, i really need your advice.. I own Camaro 2011 V6 3.6 which throws P0008 P0016... 1. Timing Chain Replaced(Cloyes complete kit) 2. 4 Cam Phasers Replaced(OEM) 3. 4 Selenoids Replaced(OEM) 4. 4 Cam Sensors Replaced(ACDelco) 5. Crankshaft Sensor Replaced(ACDelco) Unfortunately nothing changed.. Still same codes. My mechanics double checked alignment... My car is running sluggish,poor.. What should we do next? Pls help
Do you not have to set the motor to the compression stroke? Timing chain completely fell off changed valves, did head just making sure if i have to set cylinder 1 to anything
So which ones are my timing marks on the cam sprockets? The arrows or the dots? I can't see on the video. That's the only thing that's stopping from finishing my timing chain replacement.
If the phasers are on the cams correctly (they can only go one way unless you force them OR the pin is broken). Set the left and right bank so both sets of flats are UP. Turn the crank so the dot is aligned with the ~5 o’clock mark on the pump. Set the left chain and lower chain as in the video. Slowly rotate the crank clockwise until the ~8 or 9 o’clock marks line up then do the right bank. Remember that’s viewed as if it was in a Camaro! So think backwards if you’re looking at the front of the engine.
You can pull the fuel pump relay and let the engine turn over to build oil pressure. It is not absolutely necessary, but will help insure the tensioners will have some oil before starting.
Thanks for the instructions. My problem however is more complex. I have the engine codes for the right bank. So I ordered the kits, removed the chains in the order you described but my old chains are not stretched but my right bank cam phasers do not match up. I need a video on how to reset those.
The chains set the timing between the cams. Just rotate the camshafts carefully until all the chain marks are aligned like we show in this video. To be safe you can rotate the crank to a position where all the pistons are down on the side you are working on, move the cams where they need to be, then put the crank back to the correct stage.
@@Cloyes01 sorry but do you know where the crank sprocket should be for the right bank to have the pistons lower than the top. Again thanks for your help and a great video reference
@@jasonthomas6381 I don't know off hand. I would remove the spark plugs and carefully drop a clean screwdriver into the holes. It will allow you to gauge where the pistons are.
Good video. Thanks. It's no wonder the GM car plants are shutting down. If it's not the broken wave plate in the transmission that fails , it's the timing chain, and or both. Plus the corrosion eating holes in the timing chain cover too. You answered a lot of questions I would have in the comments below. Thanks.
They are not necessary if you follow our procedure. We do not use them in this video. The phasers have a dowel that indexes them to the camshafts, then the chains set the timing.
Tip: firing order is 1-2-3-4-5-6. Cylinder order is (1-3-5) Passenger side bank, (2-4-6) DS. Rotate engine cw until at tdc #1 cylinder and alignment of the crankshaft primary chain timing mark for the right bank camshaft secondary timing chain, or 8 o’clock marks (driver seat orientation).
Thank you for the video. Got the kit with everything included. Saved me lots of time from going to Alldata to look for timing marks, and procedures then printing them out. Only thing I had to look up was the timing cover torque sequence and spec. 👍
@Cloyes01 I just had one of these arrive and the boxes say made in china while your website says manufactured in the Paris, Arkansas factory in USA.. which is it?
Both. We manufacture many components in Arkansas, but also source globally from strategic partners. The label on the box will represent where the majority of the cost of the kit is manufactured. If you ever have questions about where individual components are manufactured you can contact our tech support line @ 479-646-1662.
This video made the job much easier for me. Thanks again for the Video and for the customer service! The Cloyes Kit fit perfectly and was exactly as described. I do wish it came with all new bolts for the timing components but that is no big deal.
I am changing the timing belt on a 08 gmc acadia 3.6 , When I go to phase 2 the flats of the cams are not facing up even after 2 rotation , what's the best way to set the timing or to get the timing right , I believe I have a bad cam phaser or both on the right bank ? Thank you .
At phase 2 on the crank are the timing marks on the camshaft phasers in a position where they will engage with the chain? If so, just follow the process in this video.
@@Cloyes01 no , 1 is 1 isn't, I am replacing all 4 phasers , I know for sure 1 of those is bad , and for some reason I can't turn the crank anymore to set timing , not sure what happen there I was able to turn it with no problems ?
@@jamespoole1688 If the engine is out of time you can experience piston to valve contact when rotating. If this is the case you will need to remove the chains and pull the spark plugs. When the secondary chains are removed it should allow the cams to move enough to close all the valves. Focus on one side at a time and move the crank to a position where all three cylinders on a side are down in the cylinders a little bit, then rotate your camshafts close to where they will need to be. Then move to the other bank and repeat the process. Once you get all 4 camshafts close you can rotate your crank around to the starting point and start timing.
You just need to make sure the crankshaft sprocket mark is aligned to the stage 1 or 2 mark and the appropriate camshaft phaser marks are up. Don't worry about where the pistons are unless you are rotating shafts without the chains on.
You Can line the Crank gear at 8 O'clock with the Cams 180 degrees Out .. The Detail that the Flat Spots on the Back of the Cams will be Up and Level with the Head Surface WAS Left Out of your "Professional Explanation" Great Job "WingNut" !!
If the cams are 180 degrees out, then the marks on the camshaft phasers will be 180 degrees out as well. The phasers are all indexed onto the cams with dowels. You can reference those flat camshaft features or the marks on the phasers as we do in the video.
@@Cloyes01, In a 3.6 High Feature V6 that Has No Mark's on the chain at the Cam Gear Location (Like Mine), You Must know the Tip that Can STILL Make the Engine Run.. And that IS that at the 8 o'clock position Bank One cams will Have the Flats parallel with the Top of the Head, and also Bank Two at the 5 o'clock Position, those Cam Flats will Be Parallel as Well.. Poor Video with No torque wrench Even Used in the Opinion of This Mechanic of Many Years experience.. Thanks
Are these chains going to stretch like the stock ones? I had a 07 Suzuki xl7 timing replaced and it on lasted 30000 miles before it stretched and the same problem all over again!
Our chain sets for this engine are simply OEM replacement. The system design leaves little room for improvement. Chain stretch issues have plagued this engine, but interaction with the phasers and idlers requires the use of a chain with the same pitch and width. The OEM manufactures made very high quality chains, but they still experience fatigue. The best tip we can offer is buy good quality components and keep your oil changed.
Rick West Should get a code for Camshaft Actuator stored in the ECM. That way u’ll know if you have one failed, but those are high prone failure so if your in there. Replace all of them
@@toolboxman9960 doesn't a stretched timing chain give a cam actuator code? If you're in there changing the chain, how do you know if the sprockets on the phasers are too warn?
why cant more maintenance videos be this straight forward and clear?!
You left out an extremely important step at the end, before putting the covers back on. Rotate the engine by hand very slowly making sure there is no interference to verify you got the timing lined up properly. Finding this out after you put it together and crank it will ruin your whole year.
Yeah, when i watch eric the car guy, thats what he did. i wonder why it isnt included on this video.
@@ninjazzrhythm400 if you check the comments, they are recommending that it not be done for fear the chain will jump. I think I'd turn the crank around to verify clearance, then turn it back and see if the marks are still aligned. I wouldn't just trust that it's all timed properly and crank under power.
Or get you a few more cases of beer when you need to do the rebuild 😂😉🤔
@Rick West, If He had told you to Check that the Flat sides on the back of the Cams are up and Parallel with the top of the Head when the Crankshaft gear is at the 8 O'clock position, then your Motor Wouldn't be Ruined.. This is a Good Video that is WITHOUT the Main Instructions to Be Sure that your Timing is Correct BEFORE You Ever Loosen a Bolt after your Covers are Off (Plenum, Valve Covers, Timing Cover).. Thanks
@@ThatEEguy2818 I don’t see how the chains would jump if you pulled all the tensioner pins and everything was on. It’d be virtually impossible.
This video was THEE most helpful in getting through this job!
Even still, 4 years later Mr. Smith is still answering emails!
Excellent customer service! 👌🏾 Cloyes for the win! 🏆
Thanks for the kind words. Peace and Love!
This guy did a tremendous job he made everything seem simple and eaay going good teacher thank u again brother
@@Cloyes01 Sir could you be so kind to convey if cylinder number 1 is top dead center at stage 2 position or stage 1. Thank you 🙂
@@wildwoodtop Number 1 cylinder is at TDC at stage 1 timing.
Anyone that is doing this job along with removing the heads to replace bent valves, don't just assume the chain skipped some teeth due to being stretched causing valve to piston contact. Remove the cam actuators(phasers) from the cams and inspect the locating pins in the actuators and the slot in the cam that the pin fits into for shear damage.
I just bought a 2006 Cadillac SRX with the 3.6L with 129K miles and all the exhaust valves on the passenger bank were bent so I assumed that cam had jumped some teeth. I pulled both heads, replaced the bent valves and did a valve job on both heads. I got the heads back on and started timing the engine with the new timing set and all was fine until I got to the stage 2 timing for the right bank cams. The intake cam lined up just right with the colored link on the chain but the exhaust cam sprocket was about 40 degrees rotated clockwise. I put a wrench on the actuator bolt to turn it back for the marks to line up and with very little pressure, the bolt came loose. I knew these are torqued at 43lb ft so this was weird it cam loose so easily so I went ahead and removed the bolt and took the actuator off and I saw what actually caused the valve damage. The actuator had spun on the cam and the locating pin was laid over sideways and the hole for the pin and the slot was totally wallowed out and from the damage to the actuator, it was clear that the actuator had spun many revolutions independent of the cam. I can't imagine how this happened unless the bolt was not torqued properly at the factory or if maybe the timing chains and guides had been replaced before and a mechanic loosened and then forgot the tighten it back.
This is probably a very rare occurrence but it's still worth the time to remove the actuators and check the pins if your engine has bent valves.
Thanks for the tip. How long did it take you to replace the chain, I know you did heads also. I am trying to come up with a price to give my friend to replace the chain. Thanks
John, Alldata calls for 10.3 hours to do the job. I think that's about right.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Duc Rider
Duc Rider how do you know if it was bent valveswithout taking the head off
Excellent video. Straight, to the point and easy to understand. As a professional mechanic I appreciate that. And Cloyes is a leader in timing products.
I have seen a lot of video's and people comment and says the best ever ...now I know why ...the best and easiest show and tell ever ...super simple u are the MAN
Thanks for the great review. Appreciate it!
I think I bought a Cloyes double roller timing chain for my Pontiac 400 thirty three years ago. It was adjustable. Not one but three off set key slots cut into the crank sprocket. Providing multiple combinations of cam TDC settings. You could really dial in your engine for power. I learned how to degree cams for the first time on that engine. Thank you. Cloyes!
Back in the day I installed one into my my 69 400 RA GTO engine, had it tach'd out on a corner and tossed the cam out the oilpan.. I had just put in a rebuilt 4 speed where the builder used Jeep bearings, said they were tad noisier but stronger, I had thought the trany blew, coasted a mile home from inertia, when got home looked under and saw cam chunk hanging out pan.. the chain was broke, had a crane fireball cam and must have touched a valve using that 3 degree mark, never did find exact reason engine was destroyed.. got heads redone, kept those, still on shelf.. car long gone.. if they had those cameras on a cable back then could have checked clearance, must have been close.. putty and wasting gaskets sounded like a waste, wish had done it now...
Great video, I just completed the timing chains on my cts. Your video was very helpful for chain installation. Its a big job for a diy guy but it beats the $3600 shop bill. Thanks for the vid
Mr. Grider, did you have to pull the engine out of the vehicle or were you able to do it all under the hood?
@@jayclarke2434 the guy said you do not have to pull the engine from the vehicle
Did my '10 Buick Lacrosse with 3.0l v6 in frame wasn't bad at all!...i was down to the chains In about 45mins but beware guys that right bank is gonna give you the blues because the timing marks are ever so slightly off...and the phasers are gonna want to roll on you you!...its best to get the camshaft retainers to hold the cams still while you degree the marks!...other than that pretty easy job!...
Best explanation I've seen on here explaining the 3.6. and the chunk the rachet at the end.(dropped mic) just made it that much better lol. Thanks very helpful bud
Very complicated timing setup. GM didn't make this one easy, but you guys made it look simple.
Cloyes is my go to for timing jobs . Thank you for keeping it simple !
I wish I could start job with timing cover already removed.
Maybe, I just got a friends Acadia that was towed to the stealership after losing power, and failing to restart. They have disassembled the entire top end. All in boxes. I have no idea which cam is which or what bolt goes where- it’s a great big jigsaw puzzle. They wanted to replace the engine for 8k. So yeah? I don’t know that it’s better...
@@jonhunt5408 lol same 8k for engine at dealer, car is worth like 5k, and now probably less than 1k since it doesnt start
Cloyes is the only timing kits I use for anything..high quality nothing beats it👍
My experience also, going back to small & big block chevy race motors in the 70's. Cloyes is the most reliable chain drive out there.
great stuff... I've watched two or three times and now I think I'm ready. Thank you for taking the mystery out of this procedure
VIDEO IS INCOMPLETE! What is shown is correct, HOWEVER, when the video talks about setting stage 1 and 2 timing. During this step MAKE SURE the flat side of the rear of each camshaft is facing UP, otherwise you will not find the timing marks in the locations shown in the video. It makes the whole process much more complicated trying to figure out how to properly line the marks up once the chains are off
Good video to watch before doing the timing chain job. I did the chains in the car. It was a 2008 Buick Enclave. It wasn’t too bad to do. Hardest part was removing the vibration dampener. I had a second person to help me install the chains for about 30 minutes to make sure the chains were lined up correctly.
Great video, thanks. Was about to purchase a VE Holden that has the 3.6ltr with the troublesome timing chain, but you have helped talk me out of it. I am a former mechanic and can do this job myself, but life's too short to be dealing with a GM's penny pinching engineering.
Penny pinching? What other NA engine in Australia gets 210 kW out of 3.6 litres?
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thank god for this. i couldnt figure out why bank two wasnt right until i seen him change sprocket location by rotating crank.life saving info
***EXCELLENT*** Should be more top end videos like this... video should be sold with product.. dvd..for dummies like me... thank you..
Cant Thank you guy enough. I walked through this step by step with this video. Glad you guys did it.
Doug, were you able to do this job while the engine was still in the vehicle or did you need to pull it out?
Jay Clarke definitely you can do it with engine on
Cheers mate since my engine has nothing hanging off it like this one it was a very simple guide...
Great video. Helped me replace the chains in my 2010 Acadia. As an added note because I found out the hard way, you may need to buy a new gasket and bolts for the water pump if you’re pulling your timing cover. Got the motor back together and was running well but started overheating. The water pump bolts to the outside of the timing cover. According to GM those bolts are a one time use and are supposed to be torqued to yield. I couldn’t find just the bolts so ended up having to buy a whole new pump.
New Bolts Required, New Torque Specification on HFV6 Water Pump
July 2, 2012
A new water pump fastening procedure has been implemented on all High Feature V6 engines (2.8L, 3.0L, and 3.6L) on all models (2004-2013 model years) to help reduce the potential for water pump gasket leaks. This new procedure requires NEW bolts to be used when attaching a water pump. It also requires a third pass with an additional 45 degree turn when tightening the bolts.
The new torque procedure puts the bolts into yield, so the bolts MUST be replaced when they are removed. Old/reused bolts will break if reinstalled. The following procedure applies to all model years and all RPOs of the HFV6 engine.
1. Ensure that the engine front cover and water pump are clear of old gasket material.
2. Ensure that the water pump mounting bolt holes in the front cover are completely clean and dry.
3. Place a new water pump gasket on the water pump.
4. Place the water pump in position on the front cover.
5. Install the water pump bolts finger tight.
6. Tighten the water pump bolts in sequence to 10 N·m (89 lb. in.).
7. Tighten the water pump bolts a second pass in sequence to 10 N·m (89 lb. in.).
8. Tighten the bolts a final pass in the sequence shown an additional 45 degrees.
The fact this video has a million views speaks volumes. Both to quality of the video and kit, and GM's design flaws. I have a Cadillac CTS with a 2.8L, I'll be buying this kit and installing it on a 3.6L to put in my car, and the failed 2.8L to recoup some of my expenses. Great vid👍
Huge tip and frankly the golden rule of timing belts or chains, turn the motor over 2 revolutions and check for any resistance.
Thanks, Cody Smith, for a very informative and instructional video. Every critical point was covered including reference to torque settings on every one of the bolts.
The demonstration appeared to have been done on an engine set up for the purpose, so that time could be saved, and the 8.42 minute video showed just what was necessary.
If someone required the use of a torque-wrench to be demonstrated, I am sure they could find classes elsewhere for that.
It is worth noting that all 4 cam phasers have both the L and R timing marks and if the engine has lots of varnish or is just dirty the L or R will be very hard to see. The video does not show the close up of the right cam phasers. On the engine I did this on, the right hand bank timing marks were little triangles and the left hand marks were little dots. Cloyes, It would be a good idea to be very specific about this point due to all the phasers having both sets of marks. Other than that, a very informative video and easy to understand.
Wow this video made it look so easy , ive seen over 20 videos on how to properly get the timing marks intact , below 👇 i saw some comments regsrding rotating the crank just to be sure u have no interference and i actually have to agree 👍 on that thanks guys 😅
Very common issue on these! if you get a p0017 p0018 p0019 you probably have a stretched chain. the Ecotec 2.2 and 2.4. also have timing chain issues.. first sign is a rattling noise on a cold start. Great video!!
I got a P0506 Low Idle Speed
You made this way simpler then the other videos out there . thanks for the video helped out allot
Thanks for this... I tore my motor apart 2 months ago due to a seized crank and while I could have scatched my head and done this by reading the book, this video got it back together in a few mins. Thanks!!
Did you have any issue with the cams being off
@@usdibaby35 Nope
Was there any damage due to the seized crank, this has happened to my 3.0 terrain. I have the heads off, only damage i see so far is teeth on sprockets…a few are shiny. Once I got the passenger side head off i could spin crank. Quite perplexed at the moment
@kmican My crank was trashed. She ran it out of oil. Needed 3 rods and I had the crank milled .030 undersized.
Did your breaker bar click when it was at 43 ft lbs?
Me surtieron cadena de distribución para un motor Q2.5L Xtrail 2005 nadamás tengo una duda con la lubricación de aceite del tensador de la cadena no queda en la posición del orificio me pueden ayudar si es el correcto la cadena
Cody you the man! I watched this video like 10 times before I did this repair myself with this Cloyes kit and it worked Amazing! Car runs super smooth and quiet. Thanks again for the great tutorial video. 😎🤙👍🏽
How did it go? I have an Acadia that needs this done. How much time did it take you?
@@bmo5082 patience is key with this repair, it took me 3 days and about 18 hours total. I replaced valve cover gaskets,front timing cover seals, pcv valve..etc. Anything that I came across including spark plugs. I made this repair in the vehicle too so work space is limited.Key points when removing the timing chains 3x check your marks and leave your Rear cams chain on phasers until ready to swap for new one- this helps keep your 10 tooth count spacing, even then you may need to back up the very rear phaser a little. Other than than just clear everything out of the way ..every inch helps. Lastly when removing the P/s resevoir be careful it's super brittle lol I broke mine and had to order a new one. Happy safe wrenching and take your time especially when siliconing the front timing cover back on. Thanks
@@lilwrencher7996 thanks for all the good info. Do you still think the Acadia is a good car except for this issue?
We can install these kits in Australia/Vic if anyone needs them swapped!! Good work Cloyes!
@Adrian Byers $999
after seeing this video my husband bought a cloyes timing set. great vid
And do you have a recommended gasket set for everything in this job
do full rebuild if you are removing the engine
All that hard work and now you have to buy a new tool - after dropping it haha!
Good tutorial. Thanks a mill for this!
That was very clear and a great demonstration of how to replace the timing chains, timing chain stretching it is a common problem with the VZ VE & VF series, here in Australia thank you for that guide now i can an idea what to do cheers.
When you are at first stage timing is cylinder one at Tdc? My engine had the heads removed and engine has been rotated while apart?
Cool vid, but would've liked to see which sprocket to line up in correlation to circle and triangle. Also is there a reason you rotated counter clockwise to get to stage 1 vs clockwise?
Think i just figured it out. Pass side triangles and drivers side circles.
Worked out perfect...better than ProDemand instructions. Great video!
Hey I just got my chain replace but there's a nocking where the timing chain and I started the Buick every morning it sounds loud and then it stops when is warm but now is being two months and is now doing it when is warm
very helpful video, was my first time doing chains on this engine, i brought the cam lockers but found they wernt needed. thanks for a great video
Ha ha, me too. You need them, I guess, if you remove the pulleys from the camshafts, to stop the camshafts turning?
I ended up buying them myself. You need them if you wanna pull the phasers off, so you can undo the nut, without pulling the camshafts out. They are handy to hold the camshafts in place while you hang the timing chains too, although the marks are clear, and you could go without.
Luv your work ! Simple, step by step, accurate and professionally done.
Did you put flat sides up on the cam shafts when marking timing ?
U did a good job explaing this is one of the best video online thank u so much
This is by far the best video is there is on 3.6l engines
At 2:00 in the video what direction go to turn the crank to set it up for stage two timing? The video shows it spinning counter clockwise.
Just turn it counterclockwise. For the limited distance needed, turning counterclockwise will not hurt anything.
I saw that you don't recommend rotating the engine by hand after replacement - what if I did?
When rotating by hand there is a small chance of the chain jumping out of time due to the lack of oil pressure in the tensioners and the valve spring pressures affecting the camshafts. This is the only reason we advise against it. Chances are you will have no issues.
Gotcha. Thanks!
At the moment you begin to start an engine, the oil pressure is zero as well. I wouldn't risk not turning it by hand personally.
Silly me for thinking a Ford 4.0 SOHC was bad. Thank you Cloyes for the great info and a good product!
timing chain behind the flywheel
I come back to this video every couple of months to do another one of these. My only suggestion is PLEASE mention that you need the "R"s on the right bank at the top before removing the timing components. Every single one I've done has already been on the 1TDC stroke. The most recent one on an 06 Cadillac was on the opposite stroke, so when I removed the chain I was shocked when a cam jumped half way around. You MUST have the "R"s on the right bank at the top before removing the components. It seems like a no brainer, but if you just open the video and go without thinking about it you could very easily bend some valves. It is extremely difficult to retime it properly to get it to the correct stages once the chain is removed.
Hello Cheddarwedge,
I did the same thing when following the video, after removing the tensioner and chain the right bank VVT camshafts sprung inwards and know the "R"s are facing down!! Can you please advise how you managed to get it back in the upward position? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Ron
@@ronaldwhitmore175 It was mostly a guessing game when I did it. If I remember correctly, I kept coming to this video to see the orientation of the CMP pickup on the phasers in regards to the timing marks on both banks. Keep in mind the crank turns twice for a single cam turn, So the marks on the right bank should be 180 degrees from where they are in the video/correct position at the start. Get the chain as close as you can to "right," then go to the correct position.
Timing marks are near impossible to see in the vehicle. A borescope is a handy tool to have in this job. Thanks for the video I did this job less than two years ago now I'm putting your chain in there.
A thousand thanks to you, my brother. Shefferlet's car. And the Marki
You should provide tips to torque the case cover and stuff back, and gaskets etc upgrades.
Don't over tighten the bolts or they will break off. That's my tip of the day. ;-)
Is it possible to upgrade the cam phasers from 1st gen to the 2nd generation as shown here? Or would there be more to it?
Some early engines can be updated to the inverted tooth style chains and phasers, but not all.
Need to know if it have to be on compression stroke, I have a 2010 Camaro 3.6 and someone didn’t put it in timing correctly and the starter is dragging bad on it like it doesn’t want to turn over
You can only time it one way, with the marks on the cam sprockets up and the mark on the crankshaft sprocket aligned. If you are on the incorrect stroke the camshaft sprocket marks will be pointed down.
Year later, but... for anyone else... make sure the washers between the intake phasers and cam caps are the correct thickness. If they're too thick it will virtually lock up both the intake cams. Just put a wrench on the cams flats and give it a wiggle (no chain on of course!). It should move freely.
one of the best instructional videos ive seen :) only thing how much tension on the bolt for the crank sprocket in the middle bottom?
what sealant do u recomend for timing cover cause mine is leaking everywhere
How are you rotating the engine?
Where do I get one of them fancy torque wrenches?
Did you have to move the allignment on the first to second chains to line up marks properly??? And how did you rotate it I see you didn't use the crank bolt??
pls can you help with LGX Camaro timing diagram or link of getting it
So Im supposed to rotate the crankshaft counter clockwise to get from stage 2 to stage 1?
Yes, this keeps your chain timing marks engaged with the sprockets so you maintain visual reference of correct timing.
I make those at work... chain assembly but I'm a metal finisher... I get the links pins n plates bushings n rolls. Interesting process.
Great tutorial. Just did mine but instead of aftermarket parts I used ac delco ones. Mine jumped a few 🦷 didn’t hit valves or anything
On how many miles?
Mine broke the chain the ly7 engine is 0 interference and acdelco oem parts are failing still cloyes kits seem to be lasting longer just my 2 cents
How is the engine being rotated from secondary to primary and vice versa in this video? From the rear of engine with transmission removed?
Yes, we used the flex plate to rotate the engine in the video. With the engine in the vehicle you can slide the balancer onto the crank and rotate by hand with the spark plugs removed.
This is also my question at present. Since yours was 2 years ago, maybe you know by now?
Once the chains are complete, how many rotations does it take on the crankshaft before all the points are back to their original timed positions?
same question I have right now
I don't know. It could take over a hundred before all the marked chain links realign. The marks on the sprockets will all go back to where they started every 2 crank rotations.
Need some advice on how to get the right side in time. Chain was removed without knowledge of what to do I guess. Now I am trying to line it out. Can old chain be put back on with tensioner and guides and go from there. Left bank seems to be fine and cam lock tools fits and marks seems to be in correct place. How would I know how many revolutions to turn crank to know forsure right bank is where it needs to be. If cam lock tool fits does that mean it is where it needs to be as long as the timing marks on phasers is in correct position? Also if cams are close can I use wrench on them to get them to where am lock tool will fit.
Yes, if the phaser marks are where they need to be then you are good. You can use a wrench to slightly turn the cams so the phaser marks align properly with the chain (or so the holding tool installs.)
Thanks buddy, very quick, super simple video I followed step by step and job now done! Really appreciate your vid mate, super helpful media.
Great video! My case is very complicated, i really need your advice.. I own Camaro 2011 V6 3.6 which throws P0008 P0016...
1. Timing Chain Replaced(Cloyes complete kit)
2. 4 Cam Phasers Replaced(OEM)
3. 4 Selenoids Replaced(OEM)
4. 4 Cam Sensors Replaced(ACDelco)
5. Crankshaft Sensor Replaced(ACDelco)
Unfortunately nothing changed.. Still same codes. My mechanics double checked alignment... My car is running sluggish,poor.. What should we do next? Pls help
Do you not have to set the motor to the compression stroke? Timing chain completely fell off changed valves, did head just making sure if i have to set cylinder 1 to anything
When you move the camshafts and crankshaft marks to the proper positions to align the chains, you are setting the engine to the proper stroke.
So which ones are my timing marks on the cam sprockets? The arrows or the dots? I can't see on the video. That's the only thing that's stopping from finishing my timing chain replacement.
The left bank phasers use the dots, and the right bank phasers use the arrows.
@@Cloyes01 Thank you Sooooo very much guys. Great great video too!
Ever had a brand new cloyes center chain break with no warning 2 months after install? 07 srx 3.6
What do you do if somebody's screwed around with the cam phasers??
I guess the q is- CAN someone screw around with them to stop coding for a already stretched chain??
If the phasers are on the cams correctly (they can only go one way unless you force them OR the pin is broken). Set the left and right bank so both sets of flats are UP. Turn the crank so the dot is aligned with the ~5 o’clock mark on the pump. Set the left chain and lower chain as in the video. Slowly rotate the crank clockwise until the ~8 or 9 o’clock marks line up then do the right bank. Remember that’s viewed as if it was in a Camaro! So think backwards if you’re looking at the front of the engine.
Ok after putting back toghter I filled up with oil how do you prime the engine or jus start it let it run
You can pull the fuel pump relay and let the engine turn over to build oil pressure. It is not absolutely necessary, but will help insure the tensioners will have some oil before starting.
@@Cloyes01 my chevy don't have a fuel pump relay
Very well explained many thanks... one question Why the vvt cam gear would come loose?
Thanks for the instructions. My problem however is more complex. I have the engine codes for the right bank. So I ordered the kits, removed the chains in the order you described but my old chains are not stretched but my right bank cam phasers do not match up. I need a video on how to reset those.
The chains set the timing between the cams. Just rotate the camshafts carefully until all the chain marks are aligned like we show in this video. To be safe you can rotate the crank to a position where all the pistons are down on the side you are working on, move the cams where they need to be, then put the crank back to the correct stage.
@@Cloyes01 sorry but do you know where the crank sprocket should be for the right bank to have the pistons lower than the top. Again thanks for your help and a great video reference
@@jasonthomas6381 I don't know off hand. I would remove the spark plugs and carefully drop a clean screwdriver into the holes. It will allow you to gauge where the pistons are.
Good video. Thanks. It's no wonder the GM car plants are shutting down. If it's not the broken wave plate in the transmission that fails , it's the timing chain, and or both. Plus the corrosion eating holes in the timing chain cover too. You answered a lot of questions I would have in the comments below. Thanks.
Do you recommed using the cam holders pt# EN 48383 if replacing the vvt actuators(cam sprockets) or are they not needed?
They are not necessary if you follow our procedure. We do not use them in this video. The phasers have a dowel that indexes them to the camshafts, then the chains set the timing.
Tip: firing order is 1-2-3-4-5-6. Cylinder order is (1-3-5) Passenger side bank, (2-4-6) DS. Rotate engine cw until at tdc #1 cylinder and alignment of the crankshaft primary chain timing mark for the right bank camshaft secondary timing chain, or 8 o’clock marks (driver seat orientation).
Thank you for the video. Got the kit with everything included. Saved me lots of time from going to Alldata to look for timing marks, and procedures then printing them out. Only thing I had to look up was the timing cover torque sequence and spec. 👍
@Cloyes01 I just had one of these arrive and the boxes say made in china while your website says manufactured in the Paris, Arkansas factory in USA.. which is it?
Both. We manufacture many components in Arkansas, but also source globally from strategic partners. The label on the box will represent where the majority of the cost of the kit is manufactured. If you ever have questions about where individual components are manufactured you can contact our tech support line @ 479-646-1662.
This video made the job much easier for me. Thanks again for the Video and for the customer service! The Cloyes Kit fit perfectly and was exactly as described. I do wish it came with all new bolts for the timing components but that is no big deal.
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how did you rotate the engine to stage 1 timing position without putting a wrench on the crankshaft?
We were turning the engine using the flexplate during the video.
I never appreciated this enough. Helped me and all the Alloytec lovers I know. Totally solid video.
This is the best video I saw about this. Thanks a lot.
Had mines done like 6 months everything good but 2 crack shaft position sensor are leaking oil. Bank 1 and 2 are those easy to take off?
whats a crack shaft?
I am changing the timing belt on a 08 gmc acadia 3.6 ,
When I go to phase 2 the flats of the cams are not facing up even after 2 rotation , what's the best way to set the timing or to get the timing right , I believe I have a bad cam phaser or both on the right bank ? Thank you .
At phase 2 on the crank are the timing marks on the camshaft phasers in a position where they will engage with the chain? If so, just follow the process in this video.
@@Cloyes01 no , 1 is 1 isn't, I am replacing all 4 phasers , I know for sure 1 of those is bad , and for some reason I can't turn the crank anymore to set timing , not sure what happen there I was able to turn it with no problems ?
@@jamespoole1688 If the engine is out of time you can experience piston to valve contact when rotating. If this is the case you will need to remove the chains and pull the spark plugs. When the secondary chains are removed it should allow the cams to move enough to close all the valves. Focus on one side at a time and move the crank to a position where all three cylinders on a side are down in the cylinders a little bit, then rotate your camshafts close to where they will need to be. Then move to the other bank and repeat the process. Once you get all 4 camshafts close you can rotate your crank around to the starting point and start timing.
At what time or mileage interval is this chain replacement done?
Do you need to put number one piston on top dead center?
You just need to make sure the crankshaft sprocket mark is aligned to the stage 1 or 2 mark and the appropriate camshaft phaser marks are up. Don't worry about where the pistons are unless you are rotating shafts without the chains on.
Was that 18 lbs ft.? Great video. Who picked up the wrench?
You Can line the Crank gear at 8 O'clock with the Cams 180 degrees Out .. The Detail that the Flat Spots on the Back of the Cams will be Up and Level with the Head Surface WAS Left Out of your "Professional Explanation" Great Job "WingNut" !!
If the cams are 180 degrees out, then the marks on the camshaft phasers will be 180 degrees out as well. The phasers are all indexed onto the cams with dowels. You can reference those flat camshaft features or the marks on the phasers as we do in the video.
@@Cloyes01, In a 3.6 High Feature V6 that Has No Mark's on the chain at the Cam Gear Location (Like Mine), You Must know the Tip that Can STILL Make the Engine Run.. And that IS that at the 8 o'clock position Bank One cams will Have the Flats parallel with the Top of the Head, and also Bank Two at the 5 o'clock Position, those Cam Flats will Be Parallel as Well.. Poor Video with No torque wrench Even Used in the Opinion of This Mechanic of Many Years experience.. Thanks
Are these chains going to stretch like the stock ones? I had a 07 Suzuki xl7 timing replaced and it on lasted 30000 miles before it stretched and the same problem all over again!
What sort of improvements have been made when compared to the OEM chain assembly?
Our chain sets for this engine are simply OEM replacement. The system design leaves little room for improvement. Chain stretch issues have plagued this engine, but interaction with the phasers and idlers requires the use of a chain with the same pitch and width. The OEM manufactures made very high quality chains, but they still experience fatigue. The best tip we can offer is buy good quality components and keep your oil changed.
Thank you very much,. Great tutorial,. I purchased this exact kit
Doing this job now, looking for a good sealant to install on the timing cover when I put it back on! ASAP!
Regular black RTV is a good choice for the front cover.
I didn't read anyone mention a Gen 7 Malibu. Can this be done in the car? Looks awfully tight in there.
Hello bro this is for 2010 GMC terrian 3.0 v6?
Yes Sir.
How do you know if you need to replace the cam actuators? I'm sure they'll have some wear. How do you decide when it's too much?
Rick West Should get a code for Camshaft Actuator stored in the ECM. That way u’ll know if you have one failed, but those are high prone failure so if your in there. Replace all of them
@@toolboxman9960 doesn't a stretched timing chain give a cam actuator code? If you're in there changing the chain, how do you know if the sprockets on the phasers are too warn?
At what km you can change a timing chain on a GM 3.6l v6 LFX ?