I got the game on release on steam and have to admit I've had alot of the same problems. I love the combat and the weapon variety but each region is a slog of killing dozens of patrols with the same unit variations only to go do it again for their bases, and then in the "home guard battles". The melee needs fixing and the fights need to be more spread out and impactful
True, spreading out the fights and making fewer of them would help the pacing. If fewer fights would make the campaign too short, then maybe constant battle should also incur fatigue damage to the pilots...or something besides my Liquid Fix supply keeping me from doing constant 24/7 battles with the same few pilots. Alternatively, having a greater variety of battle objectives would be nice...or changing spawns so the few alt objectives we do have are possible to achieve without clearing every enemy on the map anyway. Isn't much of a smash-and-grab ambush mission if all the enemies start off alerted and right next to the thing I'm grabbing, you know? 👀
Just want to add about the melee system for anyone that ends up playing the game, because it is VERY unnintuitive at first: Even though the indicator suggests you're going to crash with the enemy, you actually have no collision during the melee animation. Just try to aim so that you go through the enemy at about halfway through your jump distance and make sure you're swinging the correct direction.
It is an okay game. It follows the mechanics they implement and the timeline system does what it needs to. Yes, there are a few lacking information, simulating mobile combat and salvaging loop. It is fine, fun in its own way, which is enough for some. Definitely needs more variety, things to be done, enemy types and to lower the small hubs, to increase the flow of the overworld map to a degree.
The loadout system deserves more of a shoutout IMO. It won't be for everyone, but I love picking up parts of bots and carefully inspecting the stats to find the best fit for my build. Melee is, strange, yes, but I didn't find it that unreliable once you understand how it's supposed to work. There is a serious lack in the tutorial department IMO. The one we have currently is long, overbearing, frustrating to go through holding your hand and I still felt confused for a lot of stuff (I have 3 mechs already, why can I only send 2 into battle? How does damage actually work?). Some information, like holding control when planning a melee attack to change the swing direction, I straight up had to find on the forums.
It's not a bug, he was doing melee wrong entirely. I made the exact same mistake when I first started playing. In this game you're meant to fly THROUGH the enemy in order to melee, not stop in front of them. It's really unintuitive, and the tooltip doesn't explain it very well. Imagine it like those Samurai movies where they run past each other and swing their sword when passing the other Samurai.
The same, melee during the early access was way easier for some reason. What you're supposed to do is align the red portion of the melee hitbox with the mech at the right time. For some reason unlike every other attack in the game this doesn't actually track the enemy.
If you want a mech strategy game, just buy Battletech and mod it. It's got lots of very industrious, very detailed, and only slightly crazed people working to give you all sorts of gameplay depth options based on which mod pack you install.
@@jbkruse There are some prime choices out there depending on the amount of depth you wish to invest in. To sum up the three most common ones I see: XLRP is great if you want to set up a very lore-accurate, reasonably balanced game and have the patience to work through its admittedly somewhat arduous install process. 3025 Extended is also lore accurate and expands nicely on the base game with some considerations for future-proofing, including Clantech. Same for Commander's Edition. Roguetech is a rabbit hole of engineering, tweaking, and modification that has tons of content and allows you to change almost everything you want in your setup in exchange for significant complexity/difficulty spikes. These should be available on Nexus.
@@subtlewhatssubtle Which one/ones change the mechanics to match the tabletop game? I'm thinking about going back to BT, but I didn't like a number of the changes they made.
@@overkill1340 Truth be told, not any I'm aware of. The engine is honestly not built around the tabletop rules, and the only attempt I know of for a full BT tabletop conversion ceased development in 2018 (and thus is not compatible with any DLC). Edit: Totally forgot about Balance Overhaul. It's not as full a conversion as others have been, but it tries. Might be worth a shot for you.
"A long battle could take 30 minutes" Haha, I wish I had such short battles. Did a 4v8 where the enemy had 6 missile launchers, and the battle took 3 hours. I at least felt like a badass when I won, but...good Lord, I'm glad they reduced the spawn rate of enemy missile mechs. If you care about a challenge, then the imperfect prediction information is a must, otherwise the game might as well just play itself: the prediction timeline makes aiming and positioning trivial, so the actual skill of the game comes from the ability to intuit the things it *doesn't* tell you, like when to switch targets or boost out of the way of missiles. However, the game has such a great array of difficulty options, and an option for "more accurate predictions" is entirely valid. Melee being so hard to aim is a known bug atm. I once tried to attack with the "sword" a dozen times in a battle...12 actual attacks in 10 turns, and got only 1 actual hit even when I knew I lined up the shot on a stationary mech. What's not a bug is how repetitive the maps are; I started seeing recycled locations before even clearing the second province, and it felt like I'd seen them all at least twice after the third province. With how long battles can take and how many provinces there are, I'll probably not ever "finish" the game...but I'm still having a lot of fun with the combat, so I'm fine with that.
yeah the repetitiveness for me is the most valid critique of the game, even though its a valid critique for most similar strategy games. but for me it seem like such a good core. the game has a really good base to build upon. I just hope that they do improve those aspects of the game.
Totally agree with every point here. At right about the exact battle you show throughout the video, my frustration surpassed my interest. I don't understand why it would be so hard to show expected damage numbers in the prediction screen to prevent massive overkillings or under-prioritization. Also, attacks by the enemy are shown as a single line, regardless of weapon timing, so missiles often landed just after my shield time, despite the shield action more than covering the labeled "dangerous" time from that mech. I want to like this game more than I do, and will be watching for possible patches to fix these QoL and un-fun issues
My man really saying shit takes over half an hour for a battle? I've had a battle with an enemy twice my threat rating (me; 153 them; 341) and it took me like... ten minutes. tops. My current squad are Two Minigunners, One Sniper, One Shield+Shotgun. We pretty much clean house within at least the first four turns. On any given missions with 'reinforcements incoming' I've only ever had the reinforcements show up once (They're on a turn-timer from mission start; usually 5+ turns). Due to doming my shotgguner in the back, I didn't quite finish the last tank off and we still one turned the reinforcements. Yes, the combat is repetitive. But, as per Yahtzee's Three C's I think this game offers a good amount of catharsis. It might be just me, but the sight of two miniguns just hammering my enemy to nothing is so fun. As for the damage prediction... I mean... That's kind of on you? I have a very good idea of which enemy is going to die and when due to running so many missions with my current composition and I know what damage I will likely take, Missiles are the only current annoyance because their tracking is too good and dodging is dodgy... Also I've accidentally domed my Shotgunner in the back a few times on my first go (With those minigunners mostly, somtimes my sniper though...) but even still I cleaned house with my remaining three mechs. I don't see any of my battles taking half an hour + personally, but I understand that people play differently to me, and that the campaign tedium is real, too much space and not enough content within said space, methinks. Also yea, melee is difficult to use, but you can just as easily go Shotgun; does just as much damage in my experience and again, the cathartic thud of shots on mechs...
I got it a couple of years ago from epic. I could feel loads of potential and the basic gameplay loop was already quite fun. Just when they introduced the world map I stopped playing to continue when version 1.0 releases. So, now it got released and I can't help myself but to feel a bit underwhelmed. It got much more polished and also a lot new features, just not the features I was hoping for. Specifically I was hoping for some overarching story campaign/missions (now it is more like skirmish after skirmish mission), pilots with stats and experiences gain, and a final full fight replay. Possibly the developer team was a bit to small for it.
Combat lacks a bit of omphhh and the sounds lack heavyness or impact as everything plays from far away. The loadout screen its confusing and doesnt show clearly some things, especially overheating stats, a single module could be the diference between heavy heat build up or not, even today im not sure. You can use Ctrl to change the direction of the meelee attack, when you attack from the right the stricke starts at the middle of the jump, from the left almost when you reach the end of the jump. Its confusing as hell
I haave to admit, i am one of those, who can play the same missions over and over again. But also, some spicing up would be nice. I was just reminded of the flashpoint-System in Battletech. Just a few, handcrafted, short campains can do wonders to break up the flow. What bugs me the most about this game, and is for me the most tedius, is the wait-function. Why can't i just place / move a run or a dash on the timeline, as i can do with shots, this would make planung soooo much more fluid. Also, the crafting-part of the game still needs some work, IMHO. The player can not see any stats on the items he is crafting. So i do not know, if i want SMG X or Y, as i don't even know, if the gun has a short firecycle, or a long one, what kind of damage does it do and so on. I do hope, several of those issues will be adressed. by the way: Does anyone know, how / where to leave suggestions for the devs?
Yeah, this review pretty much sums it up. Interesting, different, but gets monotonous quickly. There's not enough depth of choice in the customization of mechs, the unlocking of base upgrades or the consequences of event choices. Movement is by and large two-dimensional. The interface, while functional, still has a fair bit of "clunk" to it. The action, once you've figured out the rules of the game, usually boils down to "Whoops, forgot that tiny little detail and now I'm down three mechs in one turn. Time to save scum." I also want to like PB more; it just needs a little more time in the oven.
It's a fun game, but not one I can spend a long time with. The core combat needs more variety, and not just in weapons. Having a better idea about when missiles will hit would also be a literal life saver, I've lost several pilots by misjudging when a strike will hit or how much damage it will actually do.
Lol, nothing about the missiles? The missiles broke me... game does not keep track of them, some hit u now... some hit u next turn at 'some ppoint'... enemy swarms u with them... they can go through buildings... most can one shot u... and worst of all, they are tedious to avoid. Sad, wanted so much to like this game...
I've been playing since early access. As someone who tries almost every mecha game I can get my hands on this had so much for me to be excited for. Great mech customisation, pilots and salvage placing importance on survivability, and what seemed like a new take on turn-based combat. Unfortunately I agree with all of the negatives; the finicky combat and uninteresting world and maps make it feel more like a proof of concept that overstays its welcome than a proper game. It's really well polished and I think the devs should be proud of what they've made. There's also almost certainly a niche of people who will adore it, and rightfully so. But I think most people will have mixed experience with it, to say the least.
I was taken when rimmy played this, then I bought and played it. I thought that there was something wrong with me, but now I know I just wasn't having fun rather than suspecting that.
Rimmy did focus a lot on the tutorial, which is one of the better sections of the game. If the rest of the game had a similar amount of story and mission variety, I would be much happier with it.
I don't think game fall for category of not recommending it. As for me I like it a lot, just don't play it like 8 hours straight so game would play it's cards slowly. And don't forget about mods, they are still a thing. As for me game lacking in some parts, mainly player to pilot connection and mission variety. Pilots feels like they aren't gaining no skills after fights, they don't "level up" so fresh rookie can be better then mech war veteran and game won't reward you keeping pilots alive. And about missions, if all missions are elimination type, why do I even need to be bothered with side objectives if they aren't insta lose one.
This is about 80% of a good game, which is a shame because the version of this game that is 100% good is a thing I have been wanting for decades. I'm getting it in hopes that some later tuning gets it just right, but I don't know how much I'd recommend it.
To me the game has a rock-solid core, but quickly drops off past that. Combat is a lot of fun and the different weapons do allow for some differences in strategy, especially at extremes. However the customization and progression is fairly RNG dependent, even when crafting and getting the resources to build the right stuff is a grind finished off with save-scumming to avoid 10x the grind when crafting gives you a shit outcome. I've got about 30 hours so far in it, i could see that stretching to 40, but unless more enemy types are added or more depth is put in the customization, i doubt it'll pass that and i really really like this kind of game. Once you get used to the systems combat isn't as slow, but it's never fast either. Takes me maybe 8-20 mins per fight depending on what i'm fighting. Tiny patrols are pretty quick and high-escalation reinforced convoys are pretty lengthy. It still feels very much like an early-access game, despite claiming to be a full release. Maybe in 3 months time it'll have tweaked what needs to be tweaked and added more stuff on top, but without that it's something to grab on a sale.
Yeah, I got this game on the Epic game store in its early accss phase, and it was immensely frustrating not having the ability to leave a review, because this game has a very good core, but there's only a core, and absolutely nothing else, and because there's no bloody review functionality on that pathetic excuse for a store front, there was no way to properly explain the problems to the devs, unless people felt strongly enough to literally write the devs an email. As such, here it is coming out on steam, and only now are the devs able to actually get the truth of their game, and figure out that it's definitely not 1.0 release ready.
I was so excited to play this game... I picked it up the day it came out on Steam and refunded it without even finishing the tutorial. The lack of information blows my mind and made it unplayable for me.
I agree with criticisms that the fights aren't varied enough, they definitely could have worked to better implement more varied objectives and enemy types. That said, I've played over 150 hours between early access and final release, so - subjectively! - I definitely *don't* agree about the combat getting monotonous after a while, and I'm still having a blast with it. Melee is finicky and unreliable if you follow the "red ribbon" guide, but if you just make your attack path go straight through the enemy, then as long as you move fully past them on the other end (i.e. collide with them *during* the melee dash, but make sure you're not colliding at the end point) then you'll hit reliably. The UI is definitely misleading here, but once you get the knack of it, it's a lot of fun - my melee unit with a big axe basically became a "delete enemy" button by the end of the campaign. :D
literally the only similarity between both games is that they are strategy and they have mechs. that is not a fair comparison at all. at least compare with something that is more similar, like Battletech.
@@danilooliveira6580 I mean, the whole idea of "letting the player knows how enemies will act exactly, and let them strive have a perfect turn" is a huge similarity. But it's not nearly as tense or clever in this as it is in Into the Breach.
I'll be honest I have had zero loss of mechs or lost battles. i also dont really find it a slog. caprturing a region isn't hard enough really. base is like half the point value do that three home guard missions and 1 other and you pretty much have it done. melee is fucking aweful though. there is no real benifit to it and all logical sense points to it being useless because the weapon withthe longest most accurate range is always best. my team i useful for practically every mission is 3 shield boys 2 with Assault rifles 1 with a shotgun and my sniper with the lock rifle who i have kitted out with as much heat disipation that he can jump or shoot or both infinitely with out getting any heat gain at all. my biggest gripe is that there is lack of things too do. the some what story side quest stuff just isn't useful. there is no missions that make sense
Okay this is a rare time when a review actually sways my purchase. These faults are exactly what I feared. Why make such an interesting game, and not compose meaningful, thoughtful challenges like going up against a variety of ranged units only, melee only, different terrain challenges, or being forced to combo things precisely to take out special enemies? Random battles is a killer for this.
I got the game on release on steam and have to admit I've had alot of the same problems. I love the combat and the weapon variety but each region is a slog of killing dozens of patrols with the same unit variations only to go do it again for their bases, and then in the "home guard battles". The melee needs fixing and the fights need to be more spread out and impactful
True, spreading out the fights and making fewer of them would help the pacing. If fewer fights would make the campaign too short, then maybe constant battle should also incur fatigue damage to the pilots...or something besides my Liquid Fix supply keeping me from doing constant 24/7 battles with the same few pilots.
Alternatively, having a greater variety of battle objectives would be nice...or changing spawns so the few alt objectives we do have are possible to achieve without clearing every enemy on the map anyway. Isn't much of a smash-and-grab ambush mission if all the enemies start off alerted and right next to the thing I'm grabbing, you know? 👀
Just want to add about the melee system for anyone that ends up playing the game, because it is VERY unnintuitive at first:
Even though the indicator suggests you're going to crash with the enemy, you actually have no collision during the melee animation. Just try to aim so that you go through the enemy at about halfway through your jump distance and make sure you're swinging the correct direction.
Thank you! I kept on trying to have the red sword indicator hit the target, and it was never doing damage
It is an okay game. It follows the mechanics they implement and the timeline system does what it needs to.
Yes, there are a few lacking information, simulating mobile combat and salvaging loop.
It is fine, fun in its own way, which is enough for some.
Definitely needs more variety, things to be done, enemy types and to lower the small hubs, to increase the flow of the overworld map to a degree.
The loadout system deserves more of a shoutout IMO. It won't be for everyone, but I love picking up parts of bots and carefully inspecting the stats to find the best fit for my build. Melee is, strange, yes, but I didn't find it that unreliable once you understand how it's supposed to work.
There is a serious lack in the tutorial department IMO. The one we have currently is long, overbearing, frustrating to go through holding your hand and I still felt confused for a lot of stuff (I have 3 mechs already, why can I only send 2 into battle? How does damage actually work?). Some information, like holding control when planning a melee attack to change the swing direction, I straight up had to find on the forums.
YOU CAN CHANGE THE MELEE SWING DIRECTION???
@@SkylorBeck I KNOW RIGHT WHY DO THEY NOT TELL US THIS SHIT
Kind of sounds like a less tactical Frozen Synapse.
I'm pretty sure the melee thing is a recent bug. Never had this issue during early access.
It's not a bug, he was doing melee wrong entirely. I made the exact same mistake when I first started playing. In this game you're meant to fly THROUGH the enemy in order to melee, not stop in front of them. It's really unintuitive, and the tooltip doesn't explain it very well. Imagine it like those Samurai movies where they run past each other and swing their sword when passing the other Samurai.
I saw a video of someone ordering their melee mech to fly through, and instead the mechs just crashed instead of melee.
The same, melee during the early access was way easier for some reason. What you're supposed to do is align the red portion of the melee hitbox with the mech at the right time.
For some reason unlike every other attack in the game this doesn't actually track the enemy.
If you want a mech strategy game, just buy Battletech and mod it. It's got lots of very industrious, very detailed, and only slightly crazed people working to give you all sorts of gameplay depth options based on which mod pack you install.
What kind of mods should one use to play it?
@@jbkruse There are some prime choices out there depending on the amount of depth you wish to invest in. To sum up the three most common ones I see:
XLRP is great if you want to set up a very lore-accurate, reasonably balanced game and have the patience to work through its admittedly somewhat arduous install process.
3025 Extended is also lore accurate and expands nicely on the base game with some considerations for future-proofing, including Clantech. Same for Commander's Edition.
Roguetech is a rabbit hole of engineering, tweaking, and modification that has tons of content and allows you to change almost everything you want in your setup in exchange for significant complexity/difficulty spikes.
These should be available on Nexus.
@@subtlewhatssubtle Which one/ones change the mechanics to match the tabletop game? I'm thinking about going back to BT, but I didn't like a number of the changes they made.
@@overkill1340 Truth be told, not any I'm aware of. The engine is honestly not built around the tabletop rules, and the only attempt I know of for a full BT tabletop conversion ceased development in 2018 (and thus is not compatible with any DLC).
Edit: Totally forgot about Balance Overhaul. It's not as full a conversion as others have been, but it tries. Might be worth a shot for you.
The premise of this game looks fantastic! I really hope they can flesh it out and fix that melee combat issue with some post-launch content.
Check out Frozen Synapse - same battle mechanics but with a Tron aesthetic
@@Apoc500 oh ace, I'll look it up. Thank you.
The melee action only seems to connect when you are close, in the first half of the lunge.
"A long battle could take 30 minutes" Haha, I wish I had such short battles. Did a 4v8 where the enemy had 6 missile launchers, and the battle took 3 hours. I at least felt like a badass when I won, but...good Lord, I'm glad they reduced the spawn rate of enemy missile mechs.
If you care about a challenge, then the imperfect prediction information is a must, otherwise the game might as well just play itself: the prediction timeline makes aiming and positioning trivial, so the actual skill of the game comes from the ability to intuit the things it *doesn't* tell you, like when to switch targets or boost out of the way of missiles. However, the game has such a great array of difficulty options, and an option for "more accurate predictions" is entirely valid.
Melee being so hard to aim is a known bug atm. I once tried to attack with the "sword" a dozen times in a battle...12 actual attacks in 10 turns, and got only 1 actual hit even when I knew I lined up the shot on a stationary mech.
What's not a bug is how repetitive the maps are; I started seeing recycled locations before even clearing the second province, and it felt like I'd seen them all at least twice after the third province. With how long battles can take and how many provinces there are, I'll probably not ever "finish" the game...but I'm still having a lot of fun with the combat, so I'm fine with that.
yeah the repetitiveness for me is the most valid critique of the game, even though its a valid critique for most similar strategy games. but for me it seem like such a good core. the game has a really good base to build upon. I just hope that they do improve those aspects of the game.
Totally agree with every point here. At right about the exact battle you show throughout the video, my frustration surpassed my interest. I don't understand why it would be so hard to show expected damage numbers in the prediction screen to prevent massive overkillings or under-prioritization. Also, attacks by the enemy are shown as a single line, regardless of weapon timing, so missiles often landed just after my shield time, despite the shield action more than covering the labeled "dangerous" time from that mech.
I want to like this game more than I do, and will be watching for possible patches to fix these QoL and un-fun issues
Phantom Brigade reminds me of ACHRON and Caligula Effect, with that "see how your actions will play out in advance and rewind" gimmick.
The "tactic" looks like Transistor's planning test, but less fun.
My man really saying shit takes over half an hour for a battle? I've had a battle with an enemy twice my threat rating (me; 153 them; 341) and it took me like... ten minutes. tops. My current squad are Two Minigunners, One Sniper, One Shield+Shotgun. We pretty much clean house within at least the first four turns. On any given missions with 'reinforcements incoming' I've only ever had the reinforcements show up once (They're on a turn-timer from mission start; usually 5+ turns). Due to doming my shotgguner in the back, I didn't quite finish the last tank off and we still one turned the reinforcements.
Yes, the combat is repetitive. But, as per Yahtzee's Three C's I think this game offers a good amount of catharsis. It might be just me, but the sight of two miniguns just hammering my enemy to nothing is so fun. As for the damage prediction... I mean... That's kind of on you?
I have a very good idea of which enemy is going to die and when due to running so many missions with my current composition and I know what damage I will likely take, Missiles are the only current annoyance because their tracking is too good and dodging is dodgy... Also I've accidentally domed my Shotgunner in the back a few times on my first go (With those minigunners mostly, somtimes my sniper though...) but even still I cleaned house with my remaining three mechs. I don't see any of my battles taking half an hour + personally, but I understand that people play differently to me, and that the campaign tedium is real, too much space and not enough content within said space, methinks.
Also yea, melee is difficult to use, but you can just as easily go Shotgun; does just as much damage in my experience and again, the cathartic thud of shots on mechs...
I got it a couple of years ago from epic. I could feel loads of potential and the basic gameplay loop was already quite fun. Just when they introduced the world map I stopped playing to continue when version 1.0 releases.
So, now it got released and I can't help myself but to feel a bit underwhelmed. It got much more polished and also a lot new features, just not the features I was hoping for. Specifically I was hoping for some overarching story campaign/missions (now it is more like skirmish after skirmish mission), pilots with stats and experiences gain, and a final full fight replay.
Possibly the developer team was a bit to small for it.
Mmm, I felt the same, I wanted to like this game so much (I bought it on Early Access, which I NEVER do), but ended up going back to Battletech.
Combat lacks a bit of omphhh and the sounds lack heavyness or impact as everything plays from far away. The loadout screen its confusing and doesnt show clearly some things, especially overheating stats, a single module could be the diference between heavy heat build up or not, even today im not sure.
You can use Ctrl to change the direction of the meelee attack, when you attack from the right the stricke starts at the middle of the jump, from the left almost when you reach the end of the jump. Its confusing as hell
I haave to admit, i am one of those, who can play the same missions over and over again.
But also, some spicing up would be nice. I was just reminded of the flashpoint-System in Battletech. Just a few, handcrafted, short campains can do wonders to break up the flow.
What bugs me the most about this game, and is for me the most tedius, is the wait-function. Why can't i just place / move a run or a dash on the timeline, as i can do with shots, this would make planung soooo much more fluid.
Also, the crafting-part of the game still needs some work, IMHO. The player can not see any stats on the items he is crafting. So i do not know, if i want SMG X or Y, as i don't even know, if the gun has a short firecycle, or a long one, what kind of damage does it do and so on.
I do hope, several of those issues will be adressed.
by the way: Does anyone know, how / where to leave suggestions for the devs?
Yeah, this review pretty much sums it up. Interesting, different, but gets monotonous quickly. There's not enough depth of choice in the customization of mechs, the unlocking of base upgrades or the consequences of event choices. Movement is by and large two-dimensional. The interface, while functional, still has a fair bit of "clunk" to it. The action, once you've figured out the rules of the game, usually boils down to "Whoops, forgot that tiny little detail and now I'm down three mechs in one turn. Time to save scum."
I also want to like PB more; it just needs a little more time in the oven.
It's a fun game, but not one I can spend a long time with. The core combat needs more variety, and not just in weapons. Having a better idea about when missiles will hit would also be a literal life saver, I've lost several pilots by misjudging when a strike will hit or how much damage it will actually do.
Lol, nothing about the missiles?
The missiles broke me... game does not keep track of them, some hit u now... some hit u next turn at 'some ppoint'... enemy swarms u with them... they can go through buildings... most can one shot u... and worst of all, they are tedious to avoid.
Sad, wanted so much to like this game...
I've been playing since early access. As someone who tries almost every mecha game I can get my hands on this had so much for me to be excited for. Great mech customisation, pilots and salvage placing importance on survivability, and what seemed like a new take on turn-based combat. Unfortunately I agree with all of the negatives; the finicky combat and uninteresting world and maps make it feel more like a proof of concept that overstays its welcome than a proper game. It's really well polished and I think the devs should be proud of what they've made. There's also almost certainly a niche of people who will adore it, and rightfully so. But I think most people will have mixed experience with it, to say the least.
Nothing really to say, but I enjoyed this video. Thanks for making and sharing it.
I was taken when rimmy played this, then I bought and played it. I thought that there was something wrong with me, but now I know I just wasn't having fun rather than suspecting that.
Rimmy did focus a lot on the tutorial, which is one of the better sections of the game. If the rest of the game had a similar amount of story and mission variety, I would be much happier with it.
Is this game better than battletech 2018?
I wish my Steam Deck could run this 😅😣
I don't think game fall for category of not recommending it. As for me I like it a lot, just don't play it like 8 hours straight so game would play it's cards slowly. And don't forget about mods, they are still a thing.
As for me game lacking in some parts, mainly player to pilot connection and mission variety. Pilots feels like they aren't gaining no skills after fights, they don't "level up" so fresh rookie can be better then mech war veteran and game won't reward you keeping pilots alive. And about missions, if all missions are elimination type, why do I even need to be bothered with side objectives if they aren't insta lose one.
This is about 80% of a good game, which is a shame because the version of this game that is 100% good is a thing I have been wanting for decades. I'm getting it in hopes that some later tuning gets it just right, but I don't know how much I'd recommend it.
Try Frozen Synapse?
To me the game has a rock-solid core, but quickly drops off past that. Combat is a lot of fun and the different weapons do allow for some differences in strategy, especially at extremes. However the customization and progression is fairly RNG dependent, even when crafting and getting the resources to build the right stuff is a grind finished off with save-scumming to avoid 10x the grind when crafting gives you a shit outcome. I've got about 30 hours so far in it, i could see that stretching to 40, but unless more enemy types are added or more depth is put in the customization, i doubt it'll pass that and i really really like this kind of game. Once you get used to the systems combat isn't as slow, but it's never fast either. Takes me maybe 8-20 mins per fight depending on what i'm fighting. Tiny patrols are pretty quick and high-escalation reinforced convoys are pretty lengthy.
It still feels very much like an early-access game, despite claiming to be a full release. Maybe in 3 months time it'll have tweaked what needs to be tweaked and added more stuff on top, but without that it's something to grab on a sale.
Yeah, I got this game on the Epic game store in its early accss phase, and it was immensely frustrating not having the ability to leave a review, because this game has a very good core, but there's only a core, and absolutely nothing else, and because there's no bloody review functionality on that pathetic excuse for a store front, there was no way to properly explain the problems to the devs, unless people felt strongly enough to literally write the devs an email.
As such, here it is coming out on steam, and only now are the devs able to actually get the truth of their game, and figure out that it's definitely not 1.0 release ready.
I was so excited to play this game... I picked it up the day it came out on Steam and refunded it without even finishing the tutorial. The lack of information blows my mind and made it unplayable for me.
I agree with criticisms that the fights aren't varied enough, they definitely could have worked to better implement more varied objectives and enemy types. That said, I've played over 150 hours between early access and final release, so - subjectively! - I definitely *don't* agree about the combat getting monotonous after a while, and I'm still having a blast with it. Melee is finicky and unreliable if you follow the "red ribbon" guide, but if you just make your attack path go straight through the enemy, then as long as you move fully past them on the other end (i.e. collide with them *during* the melee dash, but make sure you're not colliding at the end point) then you'll hit reliably. The UI is definitely misleading here, but once you get the knack of it, it's a lot of fun - my melee unit with a big axe basically became a "delete enemy" button by the end of the campaign. :D
Oh wait, when did Into the Breach get updated graphics?
I am receiving some extremely mixed signals from this review
Seems like the devs saw Into the Breach and thought "I can build on that idea and make it worse"
Not saying Into the Breach is bad - I love that game
literally the only similarity between both games is that they are strategy and they have mechs. that is not a fair comparison at all. at least compare with something that is more similar, like Battletech.
@@danilooliveira6580 I mean, the whole idea of "letting the player knows how enemies will act exactly, and let them strive have a perfect turn" is a huge similarity. But it's not nearly as tense or clever in this as it is in Into the Breach.
Just looks like a worse Frozen Synapse.
I'll be honest I have had zero loss of mechs or lost battles. i also dont really find it a slog. caprturing a region isn't hard enough really. base is like half the point value do that three home guard missions and 1 other and you pretty much have it done.
melee is fucking aweful though. there is no real benifit to it and all logical sense points to it being useless because the weapon withthe longest most accurate range is always best. my team i useful for practically every mission is 3 shield boys 2 with Assault rifles 1 with a shotgun and my sniper with the lock rifle who i have kitted out with as much heat disipation that he can jump or shoot or both infinitely with out getting any heat gain at all.
my biggest gripe is that there is lack of things too do. the some what story side quest stuff just isn't useful. there is no missions that make sense
so you never got into a fight where 4 people lock into a single mech with missiles and insta kill it with no chance to dodge ?
still worth checking out to me despite the flaws
Okay this is a rare time when a review actually sways my purchase. These faults are exactly what I feared. Why make such an interesting game, and not compose meaningful, thoughtful challenges like going up against a variety of ranged units only, melee only, different terrain challenges, or being forced to combo things precisely to take out special enemies? Random battles is a killer for this.
A recent update changed a lot of this, if it's something you're still interested in.
Turn based real time strategy???
Ok thx
Just another reason to avoid any strategy mech games
Exception: 13 Sentinels Aegis Rim
and Battletech. it gets repetitive too like most similar strategy games, but you can just play for the main story if you want since its great.
This is like saying you should never eat a steak because you had one that was overcooked.
@@SkylorBeck No, I just hate mecha shit. It's like a vegetarian avoiding a steakhouse. I am a verified hater.
@@nicolasvidal92 I applaud your honesty