Dwarf naming conventions are normally that the ‘surname’ is the name of the father. So in 8th Ed you had Grimm Burlocksson (Grimm son of Burlock) with Burlock being the returning 4th Ed special character in this journal.
Engineers Expeditionary Forces sounds INCREDIBLY interesting! Really curious to see what the list has going for it. I have a "Dwarf Steam Tank" built for some time, would be extra cool to see it getting some suprise rules. Either way, can't wait for this one!
This has livened up a dull damp saturday! Cant wait to get my hands on one and get some dwarf minis too. A tank would be excellent, but liking the sound of an engineer list regardless.
Burlock had rules and an absolutely fantastic mini back in 4th edition. He most famously has a BIONIC (Burlok's Ingenious Offensive New-matic Integrated Constrictor Arm) Arm and some fantastic (but brief) shared backstory with the Magnificent Sven (Hasselfriesian) himself, inventer of the Voltsvagn - who stared eponymously in the 2nd Edition narrative campaign. That gives Burlock some strong Warhammer lineage, back before the Old World itself had truly solidified - even if he wasn't actually present at the time. He had some rules on the GW website in 5th or 6th edition, from what I recall. But was replaced by his son by 8th edition and the times that shall not be named.
Thank you that’s amazing, I missed the army books in 4th edition, I’d gone off to uni I think by the time the came out, and the 4th edition Dwarf one is the only Dwarfs one I’ve never owned. I think that’s why I didn’t recognise him.
Nothing against Burlok, but the bit with Sven contradicted Sven's original backstory at least a bit. So like everything else in The Magnificent Sven he got changed. Not as much as the Norse turning into Chaos Marauders, Berserkers becoming Slayers, Amazons and Pygmies disappearing all together, the Slann turning into occasional giant magical toads surrounded by lizards and dinosaurs etc but still changed. Even Halflings haven't resurfaced yet in TOW so only the Sea Elf is left as things stand...
I've never been really interested in dwarfs, I've nearly finished painting my 3rd full TOW army (I have bretonnia, troll horde and nearly done vamp counts) and now I'm becoming pretty keen on the stunty'z. Reckon I'll be joining you, espesh if these arcane journal lists look fun/cool
Thorigrim’s father was in fact named Alrik (High King Alrik), Burlock Dammison is the head of the Guild of Engineers known as a staunch traditionalist (but in his youth he was actually a firebrand for innovation) and King Ungrim Ironfist is obviously the slayer king of Karak Kadrin. Each of these characters existed in WHFB, these are going to be their younger versions
Thorgrims Uncle and Predecessor as High King was named Alrikson by different dwarfen sourcebooks from 6th and 7th edition. I think it very very likely that GW presents a younger version of Thorgrim like a younger Ungrim. Title as Karl of the Damnaz Kron make this very obvious and and i am very excited to a new modell because as a Thain Thorgrim will be not carried to battle on the throne of the High King.
I am surprised that none of the two armies of infamy is a slayer one. I am guessing there will be some rule, perhaps for Ungrim, that allows Dwarf players to add doomseekers to their list, since they were already revealed at Adepticon.
Certainly a very exciting leak isn’t it. Definitely a surprise that one of the infamy armies isn’t a slayer one but as you say perhaps having the character will allow slayers to be counted as core or something which would facilitate a somewhat slayer focused army If they end up getting a new unit related to the royal clans list and if spearmen make a return that sounds like a chance to get fresh new kits which would be very exciting. Can’t wait to get my hands on loads of dwarfs and the book
@@MiniatureRealms I was in the city yesterday and thought about where the GW store used to be and the type of stock they had at the time. It was before they canned Fantasy and still had metal minis in blister packs. If I could walk into that shop now I could safely say I would buy up bags worth lol. Sadly time passes on and their current location is small and hardly stocks anything. Still reminiscing aside I would definitely buy some classic metal dwarfs when they do see their release either standard or MTO
I have a Throng from Karaz-A-Karak, they should be in the list, or lore. I do want to see if the Black Crag returns to the dwarf realm. I think it was mount silver spear? Someone correct me. But I would like to make a 2nd throng from that stronghold. The return of the old Engineer. Always wanted that miniature. Would like to see how they make a new version.
Are we sure AoS is doing well? I think it is going so-so. Not a disaster, but not as good as the hype justified. They now got some competition in the shape of the Old World.
No real idea if I’m honest, without any sales figures it would be impossible to tell. I’d like them both to do well, a successful GW means more money to invest. We do know that AOS has sold more than Fantasy ever did, it had a very rocky start, but has done very well for them since.
With Bugman's Cart allready being revealed, and the Grudge Pony Cart potentially teased in the O&G Journal, I was very much expecting an expeditionary force for the Dwarfs. That said, I expected it to forgo warmachines in favour of rangers, miners and said carts - for a more mobile playstyle. Not sure what to expect from an Engineer themed expedition.
Was this from the eBay listing front and back covers? It could be a well executed fake. I'm not sure if this has been verified but it does give GW something to aspire to.
That’s fair enough. I’m excited about what’s on the back, for me that gets me thinking is a positive way about what’s to come and future plans. I also hope that the whole book doesn’t get leaked, especially now it’s obviously out in the wild, I’d rather wait and see now. …you did kind of watch and comment on a leak video, I guess that’s getting drawn in a tiny bit 🙂
I would love more info from GW. When will dwarves get preorders. Whats the next two armies? And what are their plans for updates? I dont expect, or even want, 40K style and frequencie. But DE and Skaven could use some love...
I think we will find out about Dwarfs very soon, in the next few weeks. Would love them to share the future release plans, they sometimes do that, but with all the logistics issues right now I think they will be loathed to do that. You won’t see DE & Skaven news though sadly, they’re not supported armies in TOW. Hopefully in the next edition if we get one. Both their army lists are available as free downloads to TOW, but you can to source models from existing ranges or alternatives. Skaven are fine though, I’m working on some now, and all the new AOS goodness will come in very handy.
@@MiniatureRealms I know they said they wont get support. But I hope they will atleast do SOME tweaks. No new models but just... change a few words in the PDF. Especially DE seems to languish.
I’m still wondering if GW is having an internal battle over the existing Dwarf models. I fully expected the Dwarfs to be dropped from Cities of Sigmar In AoS when they were included in TOW. There was that big rumor that they wanted to keep the product lines segregated, ostensibly to be able to track sales by game system. Which was supposedly why factions like Skaven and Vampire Counts were relegated to legends status.
Yeah I think there’s some of that that’s gone on, but that will be mostly resolved now (at least in terms of plans for this edition). There may be timing constraints to some TOW releases as we wait for thing to be replaced in the AOS range (or removed in the case of Beasts). I honestly thought they would remove Dwarfs from Cities as well, not sure why they kept them. But that decision must have been arrange, and they will be shared with AOS as they’re pictured in the Dwarf lists and release etc. I think the delay now is logistics, stock and AOS 4.
Well we’re several hours into the release of Skaventide here in the States and it’s not sold out AND the queue system is off now, you can go straight into the order page. I guess they made more of these sets than they did the Kill Team box sets. 😁
@earnestwanderer2471 😂 That’s for sure. The only things they don’t sell out of are 40K & AOS launch boxes it seems. Though that just means they’re making a lot, doesn’t give us much insight into how well they’re selling Vs other games.
I guess they figured it could be covered by giving special rules to Ungrim, it’s not like Slayers have that many unit entries anyway. My expectation now is that he will unlock the Slayers as core.
I sadly didn’t have those before I did the video, the back cover was clearer as well, would have had to spend so much time working it out. There were no rules in those other pages though, and all the artwork is from previous books (the airships are from the 8th edition big book I think).
In retrospect it may be that it’s not needed. If taking Ungrim means you can have Slayers as core (maybe he buffs one unit as his guard or something), and they’re clearly going to give rules for the Doomseekers & Goblin Hewer, and maybe they can be taken as part of the Engineer army because of Malaki Makiasson.
Dorfs!! Let's be honest. Dorfs are unapologetically the dorfiest of factions. Hope their AJ makes them so dorfy even the pansiest elf weebs grows a beard!
Sitting in warehouses waiting for the people who decide the release schedules to give it the green light I guess. I think it will very likely be the next thing we see after AOS 4 has had its moment.
Yeah I can imagine, I’m an Empire player as well (at least I will be again). I think WoC or Beasts will be next after Dwarfs, so at this rate I’d say this year for one of those.
Yeah I really wish they’d share some kind of roadmap. My guess is a way off yet sadly, I’d put a lot of money on an evil faction after Dwarfs (to keep the balance), so that’s Beasts or Warriors.
@@MiniatureRealms We have Bretonnia, Dwarfs, Orcs and goblins, and tomb kings thus far. Thats 2 evil and 2 good. There are 3 good factions left but only 2 evil, so it's definitely within the realm of possibility that they release either WE, HE, or Empire, before the Beastmen or Chaos Warriors. I just hope they can pick up the release pace and also fill the out of stocks that still exist for the already-released armies. Most of the Bretonnian army outside of the starter kit models has been out of stock in the US since launch which is frustrating.
You’re spot on it definitely could be one of the good armies, I just feel (it’s purely a guess) that they will keep going good/evil in turn. Maybe Empire will break that and count as more of a civil warring faction. My money is on WoC next after Dwarfs.
@@MiniatureRealms yeah I don’t see high elves coming out for a while, as much as it pains me as they are my favourite faction and the one I had as a kid! I suppose with the release of the new Sigmar edition it might speed things up hopefully
Why 10 mins? A lot of people like a bit of fun speculation, if you scroll down the comments you will find plenty of people excited and happy to engage. You absolutely don’t have to enjoy this kind of content, you absolutely don’t have to watch it either. You’re also entitled to your opinion, but maybe your comment isn’t a pithy and clever as you think it is.
Burlok Damminsson had a model and rules in the 4th edition army book.
Ah that’s why I couldn’t find him, I don’t have that book.
Burlock May still be my favorite dwarf mini. It is the first I ever painted.
Dwarf naming conventions are normally that the ‘surname’ is the name of the father. So in 8th Ed you had Grimm Burlocksson (Grimm son of Burlock) with Burlock being the returning 4th Ed special character in this journal.
That makes a lot of sense
I can't wait to reinforce my forces from Karaz-a-Karak after all those years when my Templars are finished.
Me neither, I’m super excited again now, even if it’s still a few more weeks to wait.
Engineers Expeditionary Forces sounds INCREDIBLY interesting! Really curious to see what the list has going for it. I have a "Dwarf Steam Tank" built for some time, would be extra cool to see it getting some suprise rules. Either way, can't wait for this one!
Oh I’d love to see a Dwarf tank, would be so cool.
Gyrocopter Air force with General mounted on a Thunderbarge
That would be equally cool
@@P1gdude I have eyed that new hard-plastic airship from Archon Studios for weeks already... so easy to "dwarfify"... stop supporting my insanity!
Got my old 2000pt Slayer army ready to go once rules drop
Ah I bet that looks amazing!
I'm looking forward to the Karak Kadrin. Doing a Slayer army is an old dream of mine, but i could not afford it back then.
I hope they support that with enough rules and units
This has livened up a dull damp saturday! Cant wait to get my hands on one and get some dwarf minis too. A tank would be excellent, but liking the sound of an engineer list regardless.
I’m really excited to see what’s in that list.
Burlock had rules and an absolutely fantastic mini back in 4th edition. He most famously has a BIONIC (Burlok's Ingenious Offensive New-matic Integrated Constrictor Arm) Arm and some fantastic (but brief) shared backstory with the Magnificent Sven (Hasselfriesian) himself, inventer of the Voltsvagn - who stared eponymously in the 2nd Edition narrative campaign. That gives Burlock some strong Warhammer lineage, back before the Old World itself had truly solidified - even if he wasn't actually present at the time.
He had some rules on the GW website in 5th or 6th edition, from what I recall. But was replaced by his son by 8th edition and the times that shall not be named.
Thank you that’s amazing, I missed the army books in 4th edition, I’d gone off to uni I think by the time the came out, and the 4th edition Dwarf one is the only Dwarfs one I’ve never owned. I think that’s why I didn’t recognise him.
Burlock is my favorite dwarf mini and the first that I ever painted.
Nothing against Burlok, but the bit with Sven contradicted Sven's original backstory at least a bit. So like everything else in The Magnificent Sven he got changed. Not as much as the Norse turning into Chaos Marauders, Berserkers becoming Slayers, Amazons and Pygmies disappearing all together, the Slann turning into occasional giant magical toads surrounded by lizards and dinosaurs etc but still changed. Even Halflings haven't resurfaced yet in TOW so only the Sea Elf is left as things stand...
Some great work there Stu digging into that text!
Cheers mate 🙂
I've never been really interested in dwarfs, I've nearly finished painting my 3rd full TOW army (I have bretonnia, troll horde and nearly done vamp counts) and now I'm becoming pretty keen on the stunty'z. Reckon I'll be joining you, espesh if these arcane journal lists look fun/cool
I’ve always had so much fun with Dwarfs, but I am a simple man and they’re definitely not a finesse army 😂
Thorigrim’s father was in fact named Alrik (High King Alrik), Burlock Dammison is the head of the Guild of Engineers known as a staunch traditionalist (but in his youth he was actually a firebrand for innovation) and King Ungrim Ironfist is obviously the slayer king of Karak Kadrin. Each of these characters existed in WHFB, these are going to be their younger versions
Yes absolutely
Thorgrims Uncle and Predecessor as High King was named Alrikson by different dwarfen sourcebooks from 6th and 7th edition. I think it very very likely that GW presents a younger version of Thorgrim like a younger Ungrim. Title as Karl of the Damnaz Kron make this very obvious and and i am very excited to a new modell because as a Thain Thorgrim will be not carried to battle on the throne of the High King.
Yep I agree, it’s was just the name Ulleksson that confused me.
Alriksson was his uncle, Ullek may very well be the name of his father
Thanks, Stu. Looks good. I might have to become a dwarf player :) Engineers. Yes, yes.
Saying yes yes will definitely give you away 😂
Epic!!!!! I’m praying slayers get some well deserved TLC
I think there will be something there for Slayers, I’m certainly hoping so 🙂
I am surprised that none of the two armies of infamy is a slayer one. I am guessing there will be some rule, perhaps for Ungrim, that allows Dwarf players to add doomseekers to their list, since they were already revealed at Adepticon.
Yeah I think that must be it, unless there’s an oddity related to the other lists, Slayer Engineers etc.
Id really like it it we could get a model for Samuel/Zamnil Bugman, Josef Bugman's Father.
That would be cool
Short!!! Thats a grudge XD
😂
Certainly a very exciting leak isn’t it. Definitely a surprise that one of the infamy armies isn’t a slayer one but as you say perhaps having the character will allow slayers to be counted as core or something which would facilitate a somewhat slayer focused army
If they end up getting a new unit related to the royal clans list and if spearmen make a return that sounds like a chance to get fresh new kits which would be very exciting. Can’t wait to get my hands on loads of dwarfs and the book
I wonder if we’d see some of the old Marauder Dwarfs with Spears, that would be cool.
@@MiniatureRealms that would be really cool. The marauder dwarfs were some of the finest dwarfs released
@Svengar I still love that range so much, fingers crossed.
@@MiniatureRealms I was in the city yesterday and thought about where the GW store used to be and the type of stock they had at the time. It was before they canned Fantasy and still had metal minis in blister packs. If I could walk into that shop now I could safely say I would buy up bags worth lol. Sadly time passes on and their current location is small and hardly stocks anything. Still reminiscing aside I would definitely buy some classic metal dwarfs when they do see their release either standard or MTO
I have a Throng from Karaz-A-Karak, they should be in the list, or lore.
I do want to see if the Black Crag returns to the dwarf realm. I think it was mount silver spear? Someone correct me.
But I would like to make a 2nd throng from that stronghold.
The return of the old Engineer. Always wanted that miniature. Would like to see how they make a new version.
They could just bring the old miniature back I guess 🤔
I hope the dwarf release comes with a new novel about them….🤞🤞
That would be awesome, especially if written by Gav Thorpe.
Are we sure AoS is doing well? I think it is going so-so. Not a disaster, but not as good as the hype justified. They now got some competition in the shape of the Old World.
Competition? I have just been buying AOS models for TOW. Now I can buy TOW for TOW sometimes
No real idea if I’m honest, without any sales figures it would be impossible to tell. I’d like them both to do well, a successful GW means more money to invest.
We do know that AOS has sold more than Fantasy ever did, it had a very rocky start, but has done very well for them since.
I get a kick reading from AOs players, saying if they need to rebate their miniatures for the old world. That's funny.
I buy some AOS stuff only for old world and I’d hope GW recognises that people do this and there is some crossover in the sales figures
I hope it comes out soon
It can’t be too far away now, I’d imagine it will be the very next thing that’s not AOS 4th Ed related.
With Bugman's Cart allready being revealed, and the Grudge Pony Cart potentially teased in the O&G Journal, I was very much expecting an expeditionary force for the Dwarfs. That said, I expected it to forgo warmachines in favour of rangers, miners and said carts - for a more mobile playstyle. Not sure what to expect from an Engineer themed expedition.
Maybe more airships
@@MiniatureRealms So, basically the latest Total War DLC. I'd love some airships, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.
No I agree, probably stretching hopes there, definitely not expecting it.
Having had the cart for over 35 years it would be nice if it does finally get some rules!
🤞
Was this from the eBay listing front and back covers? It could be a well executed fake. I'm not sure if this has been verified but it does give GW something to aspire to.
At the time I didn’t know where the leak was, but yes it’s from the eBay listing. I can confirm it’s real as well, definitely not a fake.
I make a conscious effort not to get drawn into the hype about Leaks. Other people can do what they like but its not for me.
That’s fair enough. I’m excited about what’s on the back, for me that gets me thinking is a positive way about what’s to come and future plans. I also hope that the whole book doesn’t get leaked, especially now it’s obviously out in the wild, I’d rather wait and see now.
…you did kind of watch and comment on a leak video, I guess that’s getting drawn in a tiny bit 🙂
A copy has been sold on eBay
Yeah I spotted that not long after I’d finished editing. Crazy if it’s an influencer that can’t be trusted with stuff.
HORFEN DOUGHTEN MOLDS
👍
No slayer list? Weve been had!
Yeah surprised by that, but excited to see what the others will be.
They have wronged us!
Yes , but it is possible that taking the new dwarf special character allows for the addition of many more slayers in a list.
This is my assumption now
I would love more info from GW.
When will dwarves get preorders.
Whats the next two armies?
And what are their plans for updates? I dont expect, or even want, 40K style and frequencie.
But DE and Skaven could use some love...
I think we will find out about Dwarfs very soon, in the next few weeks. Would love them to share the future release plans, they sometimes do that, but with all the logistics issues right now I think they will be loathed to do that.
You won’t see DE & Skaven news though sadly, they’re not supported armies in TOW. Hopefully in the next edition if we get one. Both their army lists are available as free downloads to TOW, but you can to source models from existing ranges or alternatives. Skaven are fine though, I’m working on some now, and all the new AOS goodness will come in very handy.
@@MiniatureRealms I know they said they wont get support. But I hope they will atleast do SOME tweaks. No new models but just... change a few words in the PDF. Especially DE seems to languish.
Well there’s hope there. They said at first they wouldn’t even do that, but the FAQ brought changes to the legacy armies as well.
@@MiniatureRealms oh right! I forgot about that.
I’m still wondering if GW is having an internal battle over the existing Dwarf models. I fully expected the Dwarfs to be dropped from Cities of Sigmar In AoS when they were included in TOW. There was that big rumor that they wanted to keep the product lines segregated, ostensibly to be able to track sales by game system. Which was supposedly why factions like Skaven and Vampire Counts were relegated to legends status.
Yeah I think there’s some of that that’s gone on, but that will be mostly resolved now (at least in terms of plans for this edition). There may be timing constraints to some TOW releases as we wait for thing to be replaced in the AOS range (or removed in the case of Beasts). I honestly thought they would remove Dwarfs from Cities as well, not sure why they kept them. But that decision must have been arrange, and they will be shared with AOS as they’re pictured in the Dwarf lists and release etc.
I think the delay now is logistics, stock and AOS 4.
Well we’re several hours into the release of Skaventide here in the States and it’s not sold out AND the queue system is off now, you can go straight into the order page. I guess they made more of these sets than they did the Kill Team box sets. 😁
@earnestwanderer2471 😂 That’s for sure. The only things they don’t sell out of are 40K & AOS launch boxes it seems. Though that just means they’re making a lot, doesn’t give us much insight into how well they’re selling Vs other games.
No Slayer Army of infamy? Was that really to much to ask?
I guess they figured it could be covered by giving special rules to Ungrim, it’s not like Slayers have that many unit entries anyway. My expectation now is that he will unlock the Slayers as core.
Ahhh too bad you didn't look at the other images too. They had artwork that showed airships
I sadly didn’t have those before I did the video, the back cover was clearer as well, would have had to spend so much time working it out. There were no rules in those other pages though, and all the artwork is from previous books (the airships are from the 8th edition big book I think).
@@MiniatureRealms no official rules, BUT lore that could be read into and hypothesis or conjecture to be created
Yes absolutely, and the whole book hasn’t been leaked, so there may be rules on other pages.
Leaky boooiii!!!! Kind of bummed there isn't a slayers army option. but Short guy love regardless is neat.
In retrospect it may be that it’s not needed. If taking Ungrim means you can have Slayers as core (maybe he buffs one unit as his guard or something), and they’re clearly going to give rules for the Doomseekers & Goblin Hewer, and maybe they can be taken as part of the Engineer army because of Malaki Makiasson.
@@MiniatureRealms I like the bloody sound of this!
Ah yes! The goblin hewer!!!!!
Clans.... being those of any king, slayer or otherwise?
Sorry I’m no 100% which part you’re referring to.
@MiniatureRealms couldn't remember the name of the special list.... loyal clans?
Ah yes sorry, Royal Clans 🙂
9:00 my guess aos team comes out and say no you dont get new relis amy old world tem .we relis whole new edytion!
Yeah something like that
There’s one on eBay right now…
Yeah I think that’s the one the leaked pictures came from.
Dorfs!!
Let's be honest. Dorfs are unapologetically the dorfiest of factions. Hope their AJ makes them so dorfy even the pansiest elf weebs grows a beard!
😂
9:10 the rats svanen are responsyble for dayly its anoder rat shememe!
Becos thay decided to invade aos and GW now have premier on new edtion !
😂 that sounds very much like them yes (yes)
Where the hell is it??
Sitting in warehouses waiting for the people who decide the release schedules to give it the green light I guess. I think it will very likely be the next thing we see after AOS 4 has had its moment.
@@MiniatureRealms as an empire and Chaos player who knows when I'll ever see my stuff at this rate
Yeah I can imagine, I’m an Empire player as well (at least I will be again). I think WoC or Beasts will be next after Dwarfs, so at this rate I’d say this year for one of those.
Is OW still alive?!?
Very much alive in the community, definitely snoozing in terms of releases.
Yes, sorry that’s what I meant. I’m waiting for dwarf and wood elf releases. I don’t like proxying…
It’s a real pain right now, though I think Dwarfs will be the very next release after the short break for AOS 4.
Dwarves are cool, but I’ve been waiting so long for any news about high elves
Yeah I really wish they’d share some kind of roadmap. My guess is a way off yet sadly, I’d put a lot of money on an evil faction after Dwarfs (to keep the balance), so that’s Beasts or Warriors.
@@MiniatureRealms We have Bretonnia, Dwarfs, Orcs and goblins, and tomb kings thus far. Thats 2 evil and 2 good. There are 3 good factions left but only 2 evil, so it's definitely within the realm of possibility that they release either WE, HE, or Empire, before the Beastmen or Chaos Warriors. I just hope they can pick up the release pace and also fill the out of stocks that still exist for the already-released armies. Most of the Bretonnian army outside of the starter kit models has been out of stock in the US since launch which is frustrating.
You’re spot on it definitely could be one of the good armies, I just feel (it’s purely a guess) that they will keep going good/evil in turn. Maybe Empire will break that and count as more of a civil warring faction. My money is on WoC next after Dwarfs.
@@MiniatureRealms yeah I don’t see high elves coming out for a while, as much as it pains me as they are my favourite faction and the one I had as a kid! I suppose with the release of the new Sigmar edition it might speed things up hopefully
@Jarlballin123 Hopefully we will see a few TOW factions released close together
Wanna know
Looking forward to finding out more.
@@MiniatureRealms 0:16 All the Same ARmies I play!
alot of waffling to get that 10 minute mark ey bud
Why 10 mins?
A lot of people like a bit of fun speculation, if you scroll down the comments you will find plenty of people excited and happy to engage.
You absolutely don’t have to enjoy this kind of content, you absolutely don’t have to watch it either. You’re also entitled to your opinion, but maybe your comment isn’t a pithy and clever as you think it is.