Ranking Post-War Prime Ministers | Why Sweden Joined Nato
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- What will Theresa May be remembered for as PM? Who are the best and worst prime ministers of the post-war era? What is the significance of Sweden becoming the latest European country to join NATO?
Rory and Alastair answer all these questions and more in this week's Question Time.
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00:00 Intro
00:30 Theresa May steps down
11:20 Ranking Prime Ministers
16:40 The function of party whips
25:00 FGM on the rise
Attlee 100% how he never got the full 15 years in charge just proves he was such a danger to the establishment. All the newspapers were against him. Even after creating the NHS creating social housing amongst other great policies which helped the great british public enormously. He increased the standard of living. That's what you should strive and be recognised for
I agree on his place, however he was no massive threat to the establishment, a key member of the wartime coalition, Deputy Prime Minister who had to cover during Churchill on trips aboard, or more quietly during his illnesses.
He since also after the US breaking of wartime agreements, authorized the development of a UK atomic bomb and led also via his Foreign Secretary, led the effort to persuade the US to do something new in their history, agree to a binding security treaty - NATO. Dimwits like Corbyn think it was forced by the US.
Domestically the post war consensus they established lasted for over 30 years, which does not looks like a huge threat.
What undermined it was the effect of economic events, starting with the US withdrawal from Bretton Woods, then worse the 1973 oil crisis.
There were many in business and some in the Conservative Party who had never reconciled with the post war settlement, now they had their chance.
Though the rise in strikes and militancy were seen as the drivers for this, or the public face, I wonder if another thing was also a factor, in 1976 social mobility peaked in the UK.
Blair might have been the most successful Labour PM, but unfortunately the war in Iraq overshadows everything he did.
It does, and it should. He knew what he was risking when he took us into Iraq. He fully understood it would define his legacy. It is a shame, because without Iraq he could have been a helpful voice in politics, a wise older statesman.
And he bottled out of tackling the issue of Social Care when he messed about with the NHS.
Yes, like all politicians show themselves to be sooner or later, Blair is a sociopath with an on-the-spectrum-level lack of self awareness.
Up until Iraq he had got it right on foreign policy. Even though Afghanistan failed long term. After 9/11 direct intervention was always going to occur. Unfortunately Iraq shits over everything.
Well said. Blair seemed to believe that he was divinely ordained to spread his particular version of liberal democracy (a neo-imperalist notion). New Labour had several policy successes, but not in Iraq.
You should do a special episode where you compare and contrast your own complete rankings of the best and worst prime ministers. I'd happily sit and watch for hours.
Windrush wasn't even the worst of her failures. Single-handedly she destroyed British policing, by politicising the oversight, introducing direct entry as a tool to quickly assimilate operational control, and directly interfering in operational matters. The corporate memory has been eviscerated as a direct consequence of her ill informed actions. The blame for the current abject levels of service delivery are directly attributable to her.
Agreed. I cannot forgive her for the 'stop crying wolf' speech and all that flowed from that.
Not to mention the decade of austerity headed by her party. Forces are under funded, under equipped, and understaffed. It pains me that this is often overlooked in debate over her record in office.
@@DarkFire515 took the words out my mouth, it was a blatant political point scoring exercise against policing which damages the institution regardless of party. If you want policing reform that is the governments place but if the police have to be focused on how senior ministers or the prime minister are going to politicise their actions they will always fail to deliver adequate service. A massive stain on her record.
As a Swede, I'm impressed with Rory's knowledge of history :-)
Personally, I can't forgive May for the hostile environment and the impact that had on my life.
Theresa May is the worst PM since Lord North.
As well as making a hash of the Brexit negotiations, she wrote net zero into law, enshrined the Modern Slavery Act (making it impossible to deport many illegal immigrants) and committed the UK to spending a fixed amount of GDP on international aid.
I tried to think of a single positive thing she achieved in her premiership. All I can think of is her giving Geoffrey Boycott a knighthood.
Let’s not forget Macmillan inherited prosperity and left the country in decay. I had to laugh at the list of technology that were commonplace in 1964, but weren’t in 1951. If that’s the standard, the internet, widescreen TVs and iPhones weren’t commonplace in 1997, but were in 2007. So kudos to Blair on those, I guess.
McMillan has a lot of back story in regard to the old poor law around the time of the First World War. Churchill and McMillan were really old buffers at the end of the 1950s.
He also dodged a bullet over Suez.
There’s something incredibly funny about all the terrible things about T May being listed & then Stewart going ‘ok can I stop for a second there’
I think when judging May’s legacy, you have to remember that she passed up the opportunity to fire Boris for hurting the UK abroad with that poem. She could have sacked him for a definite bad thing, clear and explainable, which had hurt the UK abroad.
You have to consider that everything Boris did, she caused, and everyone with any sense would have seen the possibility he might cause that sort of problems if allowed to continue.
I have to agree with them over Johnson (disastrously incompetent) and Truss (dangerously incompetent) as the worst two PMs. I think Truss could have won hands down had she been allowed any more time. However, it amazes me that both still have their passionate advocates.
Clement Attlee Was An Amazing Prime Minister Who Helped The British Economy And Britain Recover After WW2. He Passed The National Health Service And Supported The Working Class Of Britain. He Also Began Decolonisation And Decolonized India Pakistan And Burma. (Bangladesh Was East Pakistan At The Time) His Worst Mistake Was The 1951 General Election Which Allowed Churchill To Return To Office. Also Palestine.
You two are a total joy to watch you have differing views but are always respectful. Yeah I can tell Rory is very much on the left wing of the conservative voter so maybe the political void between you both isn’t as large as it can be in general politics but I enjoy watching each and every video you release. I’d have loved to see you on your tour but at £75 a ticket it was a little pricey for me. Keep up the good work.
She did say one thing that i agree with in 2004 at the conservative party conference she called the conservative party the Nasty Party nothing has changed except for Rory and a few others in conservative party..
Her miss judgment was appointment of BJ as foreign secretary and Frost...
That was a political reality. A concession to the ERG to get them to back the Brexit deal. (It didn't work though did it)
Disagreeing is not to shout at eachother. Disagreeing is listening and maybe come away with some understanding. The overalt process and outcome is better for that discussion. That is why polarisation is so damaging. Keep up the good work.
You have to call out the fash, my grandad fought for 6 years, was staunch for Churchill and now they cuddled up to the extremists for short term advantage with the results that are plain to see.
Rory isn’t affected by any of the government’s policies, he’s sorted financially so he’s free to judge people like May based on his friendship with her
Yeah. It's not on us to find some deep good in these people.
In an alternate universe, Vidal and Buckley would be doing a podcast like this.
IMO Theresa May prioritized her party over the wellbeing of the nation as a whole. She seemed ONLY to care about preventing the Tory Party from splitting into 2 or more factions. She REFUSED to co-operate with opposition parties over brexit and instead facilitated the hard right within her own party to go for a hard Brexit.
She seemed MORE than happy for the UK to leave not only the EU but the Single Market and the Customs' Union as well.
Moreover, she PROTECTED those responsible for the Grenfell Tower disaster. I am honestly BAFFLED by Rory's defence of her clearly piss-poor record.
Asked who was the best Labour Prime Minister the UK never got, Atlee said MacMillan. During the 1930s MacMillan was in conversation with Labour about crossing the floor.
I felt that May put the needs of the Conservative Party before the needs of the Country.
The "beauty" of a two party system and one party long term regime :(
I think she is rigid minded and sticks to her views in spite of evidence that contradicts them. She ignores evidence.
It's better to have had her do that than have Corbyn be PM!
@@tombblades Not at all.
People join a party because they believe that party is best for the country.
There's one huge irony about the criticism of Theresa May's handling of Brexit - Had Alistair & comrades within Labour and the people's vote accepted the result, but campaigned for a softer Brexit; then we'd probably never have ended up with Boris, and a far closer relationship with the EU. Likewise, if they'd campaigned more publicly the result might have been different - something he appeared to concede in interviews
UKICE: You had a role advising the Britain Stronger In Europe campaign. What was your role?
AC: To be absolutely honest, I feel a little bit guilty about this, because I did not do that much. I think, like a lot of people, I felt it was not going to be lost. So, I went into their campaign HQ a few times, but I was not involved day to day. I thought Alan Johnson, who I really like and who I really get on with, suffered the whole time with what (Jeremy) Corbyn and acolytes were up to. Alan was leading the Labour side of the campaign, but without really having the backing of the actual Labour leadership.
Because you did not have Labour organising campaigning from the top and because Corbyn was so indifferent to the whole thing, that also sent a message to a lot of the trade unions, who I think could have done a lot more. They could have been much more active in terms of getting direct messaging to their members, and spelling out the true cost of what was going to happen.
ukandeu.ac.uk/brexit-witness-archive/alastair-campbell/
U 2 r great ❤
The Road Fund Licence (Car Tax) was introduced decades ago when motorised transport expanded, in order to raise money for the needed road upgrades, bridges and motorways, but it has since become a way for a government just to raise money by another form of tax.. I remember when John Major was Chancellor, he stated that money raised by the Car Tax isn't necessarily spent just on road infrastructure (if at all) - the Car Tax is just put into the pot with all the other taxes raised - Income Tax, VAT, Excise Duty, Corporation Tax, etc, etc..... and spent how the government of the day wants...
A Swede as I am just love these two talking politics. Makes politic really attractive and lively....thank god for "normal" people talking normally
Ironical as the Swedes used to be a by word for moderation and rational decisions.
Most countries in Europe do have NI, the difference is that its ringfenced and you get a statement of exactly what percentage is for healthcare, pension fund, unemployment benefits etc.
Dignity is no good if you are useless. To my mind she was rigid minded and stuck to poor judgements in spite of plenty of evidence proving her judgements were poor. She refused to listen and refused to take notice of evidence of what was happening on the ground and where her policies were not working or making things worse and that was before she was PM (as Secretary of State) as well as after.
I think her way of dealing with brexit was right.
But windrush was terrible. And her reaction to grenfell was terrible.
@@nathanielregan289 Windrush, I think you mean. Yes I agree.
CPF in Singapore and Superannuation in Australia works amazingly well compared to NI
Nice
Why the word 'whip' and how many whips would have been involved in a large party?
Rory - you have brought together anecdotes about Baldwin and ADH from the same lecture.
The hostile environment is unforgivable
Can you guys do a ranking of Leaders of the Opposition next?
There are many more to choose from than PMs!
Neil Kinnock
Keir Starmer might arguably be the most effective LOTO since the war. Most by-election wins, shifting government policy, now on course for a supermajority.
In my lifetime I’d say John Smith. Can’t go Starmer, he doesn’t have anything like the natural groundswell of support that either Smith or Blair had - he has done an exceptional job of allowing the Tory party to stab themselves in the back though - but the performance remains far more about disgust with the Tory party than support for Labour in my opinion.
John Smith and Hugh Gaitskell
The mountain rescue story is in Rory's book. Alistair hasn't read it!
Do watch the Channel 4 documentary, it is very good IMO. Boris Johnson is a tragic figure but also has a lot to answer for.
But "tragic" I take it you mean "criminal"
Where is the discussion about Sweden joining NATO? I don't see it on the timeline menu.
Attlee absolutely.
Murderers often regret their actions, doesn't wipe away their actions. Windrush victims with cancer having treatment refused and made homeless... There are hundreds of MPs with dignity who have not/would not bring in horrendous policies.
Rory seems to want attribute the achievements of McMillan as being from 1951 to 1963 which is a stretch. McMillan was not PM until '57, that very successful house building programme had been the creation of Attlee's tenure, and, oops, oh yes, in the meantime, we had the shocking Eden era.
LORD PALMERSTON
that's not a postwar prime minister...
PITT THE ELDER!!
PITT THE ELDER
Alex Douglas home is vey underrated
Disagreeing does not mean that people are screaming and fighting 😂
Good dodge on last question Rory ever the politician 😂
Poor Rory! 😂
Speaking as someone who likes a hypothetical, I can appreciate that asking whether Rory would have done the honourable thing if he'd been in a situation brought about by an act that would have been, he says, too dishonourable to have been taken in the first place IS sort of unanswerable in any useful way. That is, I suspect that Rory means that a Rory who'd got into that position would be a different person from the one trying to respond to the question on his own behalf.
Obviously, he could still have done more to opine on what the right thing to do would have been for a person generally. He could also have reflected on when he feels it's right for someone to resign, etc..
On the topic itself, more generally, I wonder if there's a strong enough convention that the department pays for its political head's balls-ups that any fine would be chosen with that in mind. The publicity around her statement was compounded by the department being fined, increasing the political damage to the individual and the regime backing them. That IS a kind of punishment. I'll let others debate whether the magnitude was sufficient. I suppose that making somebody more politically toxic than before can even have direct consequences of greater magnitude insofar as they're made less likely to get roles in government, aside from being an MP.
Can’t see Sweden in the chapters. Maybe change the headline?
I read the title as "Ranking Post-War Crime Ministers" and was wondering how many Ministers have commited War Crimes
It's difficult as i know Rory has great admiration for May, but we have to remember this was the lady that hated immigrants.
As home secretary, she used to write in the margins of bills that they were too soft on migrants and the wording should be beefed up to make life worse for them. The vans that circled parts of the country telling migrants to go home, that was her.
I remember when Ann Soubry defected to change, she said that Theresa May's extreme hatred of immigrants has scared her away. Ann mentioned that she had gone to speak to the PM and she was in the middle of a Xenophobic rant, a day before she defected..
I know we have had worse since then, but she really wasn't great. If she truelly regrets what she did, thats awesome, we don't need another doubling down Liz truss.
Amen.
Corelli Barnett's book "The Lost Victory" documents the economic disasters of Attlee's government. The country went bankrupt in 1947 and all that nationalization sent the country on the wrong path. Attlee was almost a communist. Both parties were in favour of creating the NHS in 1945. Picking MacMillan illustrates that Rory was always in the wrong party. MacMillan was a Butskellite/social democrat and it was about managed decline. MacMillan met Eisenhower before Suez and didn't tell him what was being planned, Eden thought he had. MacMillan was ruthless and sneaky.
NI does act as a qualifying contribution for certain benefits and you can pay voluntary NI contributions (in certain appropriate circumstances) to protect your state pension entitlement, but you can't pay voluntary tax and you may not be working and paying tax when you pay voluntary NI contributions to protect your state pension entitlement. I don't see how that would work if income tax is the only one that qualifies people for pensions.
Lol, these two agreed on disagreeing at the very beginning :D How's that a disagreement. Try disagreeing on agreeing next time!
I think the reason may is seen as a reasonable person is partly because she has done some good work since being PM from the back benches , but also because compared to her three successors she stands head and shoulders above them for being statesman like and that may be due to them being appallingly terrible . Regarding Brexit I think she took the view that the electorate had decided and she had to honour that decision and perhaps she also did a 'Cameron ' by trying to put the divisions on Europe in the Tory Party to bed and ultimately making them much worse and allowing the pro Brexit hardliners to grow in strength .
I can actually see Rory in Clement Attlee's cabinet. I think he would agree with a lot of his policies.
I disagree that the principled position on NI is merge rather than abolish. I think the principled position is to ring fence it again, and do the same with Road Tax. I'd MUCH rather pay directly for the things everyone *needs* and know that those things will be provided, than have it all hidden in general taxation and politicians be able to spaff it all up the wall on their mates. Granularity is transparency - and *that* is why I think the conservatives favour getting rid of it.
And perhaps that's an unfair characterisation of the conservative party - but after the last 10 years especially I'd kind of like to hear how.
Absolutely, I also believe we should have a system they have in Australia here, in which they send a letter every year to everyone showing how much tax they paid and they break down where their money was spent.
Ring fencing doesn't work. If you have a surplus you can't use it. If you have too little you can't get the money from elsewhere. That has always been the problem. Government revenues are NEVER predictable, nor are the precise amounts that will be needed for services like health.
Germany is an interesting comparison when it comes to Whips. German MPs have their right to use their vote according to their own judgement written into the constitution; which provides a nice counterbalance to the power of the whips.
Rory's mental gymnastics in the defence of May is quite entertaining. Like a court jester. Amusing. No way to take it seriously, though.
Wasn't really a ranking 😂 was more a 'who is the worst, who is the best'
It's what you do in government and not on the back bench that shows true character. I am continually disappointed by how 'shocked' you Westminster bubble folk are at how angry we, the voters actually are about how this country has been governed over the past 14 PLUS years! Look at yourselves and learn from YOUR OWN MISTAKES, PLEASE!!!
IN regards to splitting out NI from Income Tax, Rory said very few places do that. I'd argue that Australia do it through the Medicare Levy. I think more transparency about it'#s use and putting it where it belongs would be better. I have no issue with paying NI if it is going towards Penions and the NHS. If it is just going to the general pool then that is misappropriation of funds and a far bigger issue.
Love the fact that they immediately agree on the question about them not disagreeing enough.
Alistair's comparison btw the stage of public debate on colonial legacy in UK and FR is off - Public debate is raging rn in Fr, sure, but that's because it's only just been initiated. UK is couple stages down the line. I know the landscape well as lived lifelong in both.
My impression of May and Brexit is that at every crunch point she put Party before Country and refused to take on the hard line Brexiteers because it would split the party
This Rory dude should get a job and try to become a productive citizen.
And Rory, TM was all that.
Alastair -where did you get your jacket from? (Not sure I could afford it)...
Favourite pm....Clem Atlee. A man who would never use a word if one would do.
It annoys me when people cannot see the difference between having a reasonable debate, conversation verses seeking an argument who would want that!! Great podcast both get views across clear do not agree on everything and as adults able to say that 🙄
But I am a citizen of nowhere, I belong to nowhere except with the people I love and those people live on Sesame Street. Do you know what it is like to be from nowhere?
@pmmagro I find your description to be like the classic historiography that every Swede can recite by heart, but in my opinion is quite different. I agree with you to the extent that as you write "in reality behind closed doors" but choose to go considerably further and that everyone in decision-making positions knew about it because it happened in practice completely openly and because the Americans acted without any restrictions, which indicated that the officers in the military leadership wanted to be caught in order to then force the politicians on a decision to join NATO already then, which the ruling party Social Democrats understood and as a result constantly ran between the Prime Minister's Office and the Embassy of the Soviet Union to dampen the reactions and blame the right-wing parties for infiltration among the officers without showing a response for the public. This created anger among those in power in Finland at the time who felt that they exposed the immediate area to unnecessary risks, which is glaring today when the two defense commands are very close to each other thanks to the former Minister of Defense Peter Hultqvist as one of the 70,000 Finnish war children who fled to Sweden for protection during the Winter War.
Windrush, for the person unlawfully bundled on a plane, wasnt on the same par as two ex politico’s thinking about retrospective ‘context’
She reached out to the DUP, didn't she? If she had offered a border poll that would have been helpful.
Truss was so bad she doesn't even seriously enter the running. You can at least say Boris was a bad PM. Truss wasn't even 1/2 of THAT.
TM lied to my MP about having further opportunities to vote down brexit proposals in order to get her to support on bills for brexit. "Meaningful votes" and all that.
An important, but not yet learned, lesson for MPs of all flavours not to grant PM access to the accelerator and steering unless you've got guaranteed control of the brakes.
Harold Wilson remains criminally underrated as ever.
So what did Harold do apart from his honours list?
Kept us out of Vietnam for one
@@RobBCactive He forgot what he had done.
@@schusterlehrling lol that's true! I had expected some justification for Harold being under-rated though.
I seriously doubt involvement in Vietnam was ever on the cards as the French were already defeated and the Suez debacle made foreign adventures unappealing.
Not sure why “she regrets doing that” is an argument in defence of May on the Go Home vans. It’s not like hindsight is required to understand how horrific that was. Equally, I find it extraordinary to hear people trying pretend May made real efforts towards a soft Brexit. Her choice of personnel in the key positions and her actions, from “Brexit means Brexit” to the insane triggering of Article 50 before any plan was in place forced us down the hard Brexit route. Similarly, Windrush wasn’t forced on her, it was a deliberate choice and the appalling consequences were entirely foreseeable.
I’ve only ever once been convinced by May expressing sadness, and that was when she cried at being kicked out. I’ve never seen any evidence that she can feel or show compassion for others.
Atlee by a mile. What he did in one term is more than most Do in two or three terms.
Listened to the ‘leading’ on May, she is still an awful PM 🙄
Be honest the whip is the party blackmailer.
Torsten Bell is considering standing for the Labour Party? Don't know how I feel about that news.
I have similar feelings to the guys (particularly Alastair, for once) that although Think Tanks are often deeply ideological, divisive things, there are a handful around at the moment who are doing a good job of building real space in a new middle ground where the parties are otherwise scrambling.They manage to somehow come off as less narrowly ideological and more pragmatic, though in truth I suspect that's a trick of the light, and there's a strong argument that they actually represent the likely outline of the new post neo-liberal settlement. I've found that tapping into the likes of the IFS and Resolution Foundation feels a better way to get a handle on the future of our politics than following the daily Tory / Labour dramas.
Sunak has attempted to do populism, when he gave that conference on the Rwanda bill and said the lords would be blocking “the will of the people”, a PM with no mandate and their 2019 manifesto made no mention of Rwanda, it was a pathetic attempt at being a populist.
Ahhh Rory.....on that last question.......bad final answer.
Sweden has been neutral since 1814. So 1814-2024. We have always been anti-Russian through. When Putin tried to forbid Sweden and Finland who we can co-operate with with a taint of "or else" it was a given we had to do something. Finland is very key to Swedes. We do have a special bond to all Scandinavian countries but Sweden-Finland are the two twin siblings or closest siblings in age of the family for Swedes (Etsonia being the newest/youngest sibling with Latvia next).
As we have always been anti Russian and co-operated militarily with the US after WW2 (in reality behind closed doors) it is now a more honest position.
I find your description to be like the classic historiography that every Swede can recite by heart, but in my opinion is quite different. I agree with you to the extent that as you write "in reality behind closed doors" but choose to go considerably further and that everyone in decision-making positions knew about it because it happened in practice completely openly and because the Americans acted without any restrictions, which indicated that the officers in the military leadership wanted to be caught in order to then force the politicians on a decision to join NATO already then, which the ruling party Social Democrats understood and as a result constantly ran between the Prime Minister's Office and the Embassy of the Soviet Union to dampen the reactions and blame the right-wing parties for infiltration among the officers without showing a response for the public. This created anger among those in power in Finland at the time who felt that they exposed the immediate area to unnecessary risks, which is glaring today when the two defense commands are very close to each other thanks to the former Minister of Defense Peter Hultqvist as one of the 70,000 Finnish war children who fled to Sweden for protection during the Winter War.
Maga's Vs Rino's a good example of popularist bullying in politics today.👍👍
May really messed up a lot of peoples lives with Windrush, people died, British people.
- Best PM? Tony's not far behind Attlee, I mean Northern Ireland alone...
- Iraq war....
- I get that but still...
- Afghanistan, Privatization of NHS, Thatcher-lite
- Okay, that's enough.
- ASBOs, Chilcot, Racist remarks, financial crisis.
- I worked for him, Okay? What am I supposed to say, Rory?!!
For Tessa May it was one compromise too many. The people had voted to leave and they were disrespected and ignored. Simples.
I would have to say. As an American. 1 yankees murders row then 2 cardinals with dizzy Dean and 3 the astros in 2015. But I may have gotten the question wrong. I thought you wanted our favorite cheaters
Clement Attlee was not the best PM because even without Attlee much of what Labour did would have happened anyway. I would say Thatcher was clearly the best PM (whatever you think of her policies) because she absolutely dominated as PM and won three elections, and changed a whole bunch of things often through the force of her personality. Not to say everything was down to Maggie but she certainly had a big impact. Attlee was a good chairman of the board but I don't think he was a leader like Thatcher. Best govt and best PM are not the same!
Ah, Paul Dacre. The Mugabe of fleet street.
Atlee for NHS and McMillan for improving the standard of living.
I visited West Germany aged 18 with my £50 maximum of foreign currencythe week that MacMillan announced 'you've never had it so good'. When I saw the prosperity and lifestyle I realised what a lier!
Attlee 100%
Rory inadvertently defined himself as a populist 😂
Teresa may will not be remembered well, if at all
Party whip section. Basically they are saying 'there is no such thing as democracy, its just a dictatorship'
boris johnson as one of the worst is total recency bias, although i agree for liz truss, the other one would probably be callaghan or blair for easily the worst foreign policy in british history
Best labour..Clement Attlee…best conservative..John Major..
38:40 that was quite disingenuous in misspresenting Why the Turks were not keen on them joining NATO.
I've caught this late. However the fobbing off of vehicles saying 'Go Home!' Was horrifying, white chaps...
Clement Atlee was one of the greats. Not for the NHS, but because of the other N words: nuclear weapons.
Shouldn’t Britain have kept a closer relationship with its former colonies (like France with, say, New Caledonia)? Brits could now be retiring to Turks and Caicos and BVI instead of Malaga and Benidorm.
8:04
I am a big fan of Rory.i have been a labour voter all my life. But would have voted for Rory if he had lead the Tories. Me and my wife run a foodbank which is basically an attempt to realise something of the Big Society. Please come back to me if you are interested. We have handed out about £20millin of food and baby supplies. And nearly all our funding is self generated.
Alastair: I don't think that's true is it?
Rory: I don't think that's true, no.
Wow less than a minute in and you two are already agreeing with each other. Stop ruining the podcast 😅
Isn't "People's Vote" populist, Mr. Campbell?
That's an interesting view, can you explain?