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I did this conversion with Hutch Mountain kit (using your video!) and then I did the HM soft start (with a video call from the HM rep!!) it has totally saved me in the crazy hot summer temps... I'm sure it will save me again this summer. Thank you Fate Unbound!! 😊
Installed this on your advice few years back… AWESOME. We also installed the Easy Start system on the AC. It is astounding how long the Honda on Eco will run on a 20# tank. Thanks!
Heck yeah! It's so convenient never having to fill the generator with gas because it can run for so dang long on a propane cylinder. Glad you're enjoying your conversion too 🙂
Thanks for the followup video, David. Can’t believe it’s been that long since your first conversion tutorial video! I still want to do this conversion for all the reasons you listed. (BTW, your arms are looking great…you should definitely wear tank tops more often!)
Best option is to put enough solar on top of your camper where you can run AC for free during the day. That along with the propane option with the generator would be the perfect ticket for easy living while boon docking.
I watched that conversion video you mentioned years ago. I bought the Hutch Mountain tri-fuel conversion kit and installed it. I wanted a 30 lb tank from Northern Tools and found it cheaper to buy two 20-lb tanks; so for less money I have 40-lbs instead of 30. The advantages of propane are numerous, especially the safety factor. I've heard that if you run propane a lot, you still should run it off gas once in a while, but I can't remember the reason. Thanks for the tip concerning the spark plug.
Nice! And I agree, propane is better in almost every way. And if for whatever reason you want to run it off gas you can do it with just the turning of a switch. It's super easy to switch back and forth between the fuels with this kit and that's one of the reasons it's so great. Glad you're loving your propane conversion too 😁
The biggest problem with using my Honda Generator is the gas going stale. I just spent $150.00 to service the unit because stale gas clogged the carburator. I don't use it very often so it is a big problem. I bought some synthetic gas to use as it won't go stale as quickly. It's a solution but very expensive. I'll check out the propane option, cheers.
you use stabilizer I assume? Because that keeps it good for up to a year. I make sure to run all the gas on the last use of the season. you can power a window ac during summer or an electric heater during winter to not waste it…
@@prof.crastinator I have used stabilizer in the past but I have not always been diligent with its use. My plan this year was to add the synthetic gas on my final use of the generator for the season. Thanks for the reminder I will make sure to use the stabilizer too.
@@AlHutchings I just started my harbor freight chipper that had stabilizer added to the gas- left in since early September by accident- started right up.
I'm in Canada, too. I own three chain saws and several generators that are allergic to even the smallest amounts of ethanol, let alone stale gasoline. Premium and Premium Plus high octane gas should be ethanol free. Don't bother to ask the gas station attendant, ask the guys at small engine repair shops, they know where to find good gas. Another rarely known problem is when you fill your jerry can, or what ever, at the pump with Premium gas you always end up with a certain amount of gas that was left in the hose from the previous person, regular or high octane, which is like playing russian roulette. Filling up at a gas station with a pump dedicated for Premium fuel is the safest way to get 'clean' fuel. You can also put a few liters into your vehicle, if gas powered, before putting the nozzle in the jerry can. When using fuel stabilizer, always pour the stabilizer in before adding the fuel. Some fuel stabilizers sit on top of the fuel preventing oxygen to get into the fuel while others mix with the fuel, do your research. Adding a tiny amount of 2 cycle engine oil to the fuel helps, too. I aim for 1%, give or take.
One additional point you didn't mention: Ethanol does a lot of damage to high compression and small engines and it is almost impossible (at least in Canada) to find gasoline that does not have at least 10% ethanol and often the % is a lot higher. Converting to propane will probably extend the life of your small engine.
Thanks David, do you have a link for that spark plug? Also, I heard some rubber o rings in the carburetor need gasoline to keep them lubricated that propane’s doesn’t do.
All I know is I haven't had any problems with dried up o-rings. If that's a concern for you just run gas in it once or twice a year. You can change between gas and propane by just turning a single switch with this kit. It's super simple. And here's the link for the spark plug: www.hutchmountain.com/products/propane-iridium-spark-plug-eu2000i-eu2200i-eu3000is-generators?variant=43775601311977
Do you use Eco-Mode on the Generator when running your AC? Good presentation, very logical. Which Iridium spark plug do you use.? Thank you in advance.
No, I don't use eco mode while running my AC regardless of whether I'm burning gasoline or propane. Honda recommends not using eco mode for large loads like that. And Hutch Mountain also sells an NGK iridium plug for $13, or you can pick one up from NAPA. I'm not sure what the part number is since I just order mine through HM and they come pre-gapped.
Tried converting with the Nash Gas conversion kit. Had no luck. They were nice and accepted my request to return the kit. I have a Westinghouse 2200XLT. I'm disappointed.
I'm not sure since we don't have a port like that on our rigs, but I do know Hutch Mountain sells a variant of their conversion kit specifically for use with those aux ports. It's the "Pro Kit" variant of their conversion kits.
We a Cummins Onan p4500i generator, we are full time RV’er, n thing is I was not able to get a direct answer, from Cummins. So on that I fully understand, how to install the kit except we do not know where to go or who we talk to.
I have a new Honda 2200I ( to replace 1 of my 2000s with the intent of not needing both all the time) and Hutch Mountain easy start on a 13,500 gen. the problem is heat. According to both Honda & Hutch and my experience.. if its hot outside... the AC has to work harder and draws more and The generator is hot and works harder and produces less and over loads and shuts off on premium gas so even losing ANY power could be an issue. I've found ~ 90deg is the limit. even trying to shade the generator. with an amp meter, the AC alone - have to shut off EVERYTING draws 1700 watts. I even changed the fuel jet for higher elevation since most camping is above 1K ft. Elevation makes a HUGH difference on output of the generator
Thanks to todays subject, and the mentioning of Hank Hill, "Yahoos And Triangles" by The Refreshments is playing in my head! 😅 Hank would approve of this video. So would Buck Strickland.
There's no limit to what elevation you can run propane, and like I showed in the video it's very easy to adjust the air/fuel mixture with the regulator on this conversion kit. Generators lose about 2-3% power output for every 1000' elevation and that will probably be on the higher end with propane. With that said, we've done plenty of camping above 9000' as well near Fish Lake in Utah and we've had no problems running this generator on propane and it still runs our AC no problem. This kit allows you to switch between gasoline and propane any time you want with just the turning of a switch, so if you notice power loss problems at high elevation, just use gasoline in those instances 👍
You're welcome! We have the essentials kit, and the pro kit let's you hook up to your RV's quick connect port if you have one. We don't so we didn't need the pro kit. And the dual kit is two kits if you run dual generators.
I bought a dual fuel generator thinking a factory engineered solution would be better than a conversion kit. It's not. The generator won't start (and barely runs) on a propane tank thats less than 1/3 full, and it has a weird electronic regulator that seems like it could be something that breaks. Of course I only paid $300 for the whole thing, so I guess I got what I paid for. Another benefit of propane is it's good for long term storage. I have a small generator to run my fridge at home in case of a power outage. I can keep a couple propane tanks and even if they sit full for years the fuel is just as good. With gas I'd have to rotate it through my cars, creating a chore every few months. After many years the tanks need to be recertified, or I can just exchange them for freah tanks.
This is good, but only if you already own the Honda. The rest of us like Yamaha owners..are out of luck using Hutch Mountain. They don't sell them for anything else.
Running out of propane while boondocking is a PITA. Trip ender! I'll stick with gas for my Hondas and save the propane for our fridge, water heater, cook stove and furnace. Gas is also much, much easier to find than propane.
If you can have dedicated propane cylinders, it might make more sense. That was my thinking. Running out of propane is not a headache, it’s a crisis! Lol!
You need to use the stay bill 360 gas additive every time you fill your gasoline can that will keep good and also help with the 10% ethanol ,ethanol is the ones that bad for a generator that will cause problems. Most generator manufacturers have said to use the 360 gas additive and gas over 87% thats what I use haven't had a problem and i have a cheap generator.
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I just purchased that conversion kit for my Honda 2000i. I loved the original video you made and I’ve now have two Honda 2000’s with that kit.
I did this conversion with Hutch Mountain kit (using your video!) and then I did the HM soft start (with a video call from the HM rep!!) it has totally saved me in the crazy hot summer temps... I'm sure it will save me again this summer. Thank you Fate Unbound!! 😊
How long does a 20lb tank last?
Installed this on your advice few years back… AWESOME.
We also installed the Easy Start system on the AC.
It is astounding how long the Honda on Eco will run on a 20# tank.
Thanks!
Heck yeah! It's so convenient never having to fill the generator with gas because it can run for so dang long on a propane cylinder. Glad you're enjoying your conversion too 🙂
Thanks for the followup video, David. Can’t believe it’s been that long since your first conversion tutorial video! I still want to do this conversion for all the reasons you listed. (BTW, your arms are looking great…you should definitely wear tank tops more often!)
Best option is to put enough solar on top of your camper where you can run AC for free during the day. That along with the propane option with the generator would be the perfect ticket for easy living while boon docking.
Honda generators rock, we have on that is 12 years old
I watched that conversion video you mentioned years ago. I bought the Hutch Mountain tri-fuel conversion kit and installed it. I wanted a 30 lb tank from Northern Tools and found it cheaper to buy two 20-lb tanks; so for less money I have 40-lbs instead of 30. The advantages of propane are numerous, especially the safety factor. I've heard that if you run propane a lot, you still should run it off gas once in a while, but I can't remember the reason. Thanks for the tip concerning the spark plug.
Nice! And I agree, propane is better in almost every way. And if for whatever reason you want to run it off gas you can do it with just the turning of a switch. It's super easy to switch back and forth between the fuels with this kit and that's one of the reasons it's so great. Glad you're loving your propane conversion too 😁
Great follow-up video. That is a very practical conversion
Thank you!
Nice to see you back!
Thank you David. As always I really enjoy your videos. 🙏🏼
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy them 🙂
Thanks Dave!! Nice to see you back!
Glad you are making videos again David always interesting. Be careful stay safe
Thank you, I will!
Did the same thing with my pair of 200I Hondas using a splitter to run both off a 30lb tank
Thanks for the video! You're right about the newer gas tanks, they seem a little overthought or something. Non-simple? Haha.
The biggest problem with using my Honda Generator is the gas going stale. I just spent $150.00 to service the unit because stale gas clogged the carburator. I don't use it very often so it is a big problem. I bought some synthetic gas to use as it won't go stale as quickly. It's a solution but very expensive. I'll check out the propane option, cheers.
you use stabilizer I assume? Because that keeps it good for up to a year. I make sure to run all the gas on the last use of the season. you can power a window ac during summer or an electric heater during winter to not waste it…
@@prof.crastinator I have used stabilizer in the past but I have not always been diligent with its use. My plan this year was to add the synthetic gas on my final use of the generator for the season. Thanks for the reminder I will make sure to use the stabilizer too.
@@AlHutchings I just started my harbor freight chipper that had stabilizer added to the gas- left in since early September by accident- started right up.
If you put it that way, propane probably has no maintenance issues.
I'm in Canada, too. I own three chain saws and several generators that are allergic to even the smallest amounts of ethanol, let alone stale gasoline. Premium and Premium Plus high octane gas should be ethanol free. Don't bother to ask the gas station attendant, ask the guys at small engine repair shops, they know where to find good gas. Another rarely known problem is when you fill your jerry can, or what ever, at the pump with Premium gas you always end up with a certain amount of gas that was left in the hose from the previous person, regular or high octane, which is like playing russian roulette. Filling up at a gas station with a pump dedicated for Premium fuel is the safest way to get 'clean' fuel. You can also put a few liters into your vehicle, if gas powered, before putting the nozzle in the jerry can. When using fuel stabilizer, always pour the stabilizer in before adding the fuel. Some fuel stabilizers sit on top of the fuel preventing oxygen to get into the fuel while others mix with the fuel, do your research. Adding a tiny amount of 2 cycle engine oil to the fuel helps, too. I aim for 1%, give or take.
Greatt video propain is the best cleanest so easy to start never getting bad gas
You got that right!
One additional point you didn't mention: Ethanol does a lot of damage to high compression and small engines and it is almost impossible (at least in Canada) to find gasoline that does not have at least 10% ethanol and often the % is a lot higher. Converting to propane will probably extend the life of your small engine.
You're absolutely right and I should have mentioned this in the video. Thank you for posting this comment for others to see!
Also the ethanol attracts water causing more problems.
How about a Mini Split Ac System? Is that on the list of future upgrades? I really want to do it on my rv this summer.
Thanks David, do you have a link for that spark plug? Also, I heard some rubber o rings in the carburetor need gasoline to keep them lubricated that propane’s doesn’t do.
All I know is I haven't had any problems with dried up o-rings. If that's a concern for you just run gas in it once or twice a year. You can change between gas and propane by just turning a single switch with this kit. It's super simple. And here's the link for the spark plug: www.hutchmountain.com/products/propane-iridium-spark-plug-eu2000i-eu2200i-eu3000is-generators?variant=43775601311977
The original propane conversion video was the first video of Fate Unbound I’ve watched…Missed Sweetie btw
Do you use Eco-Mode on the Generator when running your AC? Good presentation, very logical. Which Iridium spark plug do you use.? Thank you in advance.
Great questions.
No, I don't use eco mode while running my AC regardless of whether I'm burning gasoline or propane. Honda recommends not using eco mode for large loads like that. And Hutch Mountain also sells an NGK iridium plug for $13, or you can pick one up from NAPA. I'm not sure what the part number is since I just order mine through HM and they come pre-gapped.
@@FateUnbound Thank you for the info.
Tried converting with the Nash Gas conversion kit. Had no luck. They were nice and accepted my request to return the kit. I have a Westinghouse 2200XLT. I'm disappointed.
I can believe the honda lasts longer but hard to believe it's proportional to the higher price (2-3x) + work
Excellent video
Thank you!
Will the RV regulator lower to the correct pressure and flow enough? IE, can you use the LP aux port intended for the outdoor grill?
I'm not sure since we don't have a port like that on our rigs, but I do know Hutch Mountain sells a variant of their conversion kit specifically for use with those aux ports. It's the "Pro Kit" variant of their conversion kits.
We a Cummins Onan p4500i generator, we are full time RV’er, n thing is I was not able to get a direct answer, from Cummins. So on that I fully understand, how to install the kit except we do not know where to go or who we talk to.
I have a new Honda 2200I ( to replace 1 of my 2000s with the intent of not needing both all the time) and Hutch Mountain easy start on a 13,500 gen. the problem is heat. According to both Honda & Hutch and my experience.. if its hot outside... the AC has to work harder and draws more and The generator is hot and works harder and produces less and over loads and shuts off on premium gas so even losing ANY power could be an issue. I've found ~ 90deg is the limit. even trying to shade the generator. with an amp meter, the AC alone - have to shut off EVERYTING draws 1700 watts. I even changed the fuel jet for higher elevation since most camping is above 1K ft. Elevation makes a HUGH difference on output of the generator
have you considered pairing a 2nd generator? Will that work?
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks to todays subject, and the mentioning of Hank Hill, "Yahoos And Triangles" by The Refreshments is playing in my head! 😅 Hank would approve of this video. So would Buck Strickland.
Is there an altitude limit running on propane after the conversion? I like camping at over 9000 feet in the summer.
There's no limit to what elevation you can run propane, and like I showed in the video it's very easy to adjust the air/fuel mixture with the regulator on this conversion kit. Generators lose about 2-3% power output for every 1000' elevation and that will probably be on the higher end with propane. With that said, we've done plenty of camping above 9000' as well near Fish Lake in Utah and we've had no problems running this generator on propane and it still runs our AC no problem. This kit allows you to switch between gasoline and propane any time you want with just the turning of a switch, so if you notice power loss problems at high elevation, just use gasoline in those instances 👍
@@FateUnbound Thanks David!
Thanks Dave! I watch both video, which kit do you recommend to get? They list; Essential, Dual Essential, Pro, or Dual Pro? Thanks!
You're welcome! We have the essentials kit, and the pro kit let's you hook up to your RV's quick connect port if you have one. We don't so we didn't need the pro kit. And the dual kit is two kits if you run dual generators.
I like the way camp bro
Does your A/C have the soft start system?
Is Hutch Mountain a low pressure conversion kit? Can it be run of my motorhome tank?
Good stuff thanks!
I was really hoping this video would actually show the unit hooked up to an RV
Sorry about that, what were you hoping to see/learn from it? Maybe I can answer your questions here.
Can you or someone quote the Iridium spark plug equivalent that is recommended and works perfectly with this upgrade please?
Hutch mountain has one on their website for sale 👍
Can I use 40 lb tank ?
Isn't A/C a bit much on just a 15A plug?
Nope, 13,500 BTU RV air conditioners typically have a running amperage of 11 or 12 amps.
Can you run your ac and anything else you might want use with the 2200 generator?
Yep! It runs my AC and more no problem.
I bought a dual fuel generator thinking a factory engineered solution would be better than a conversion kit. It's not. The generator won't start (and barely runs) on a propane tank thats less than 1/3 full, and it has a weird electronic regulator that seems like it could be something that breaks. Of course I only paid $300 for the whole thing, so I guess I got what I paid for.
Another benefit of propane is it's good for long term storage. I have a small generator to run my fridge at home in case of a power outage. I can keep a couple propane tanks and even if they sit full for years the fuel is just as good. With gas I'd have to rotate it through my cars, creating a chore every few months. After many years the tanks need to be recertified, or I can just exchange them for freah tanks.
SO, is the conversion kit the SAME as the one you installed years ago? Directions the same??
Yep! This is the same kit I installed 5 years ago.
So it runs hotter, you can always use a battery operated fan on the gen
No battery operated fan needed. It doesn't overheat or anything on propane.
That generator looks massive compared to you! :)
The engine life will be longer, no carbon build up, and the fuel isn't contaminating the lubrication oil of the engine.....
This is good, but only if you already own the Honda. The rest of us like Yamaha owners..are out of luck using Hutch Mountain. They don't sell them for anything else.
ah another reason to go Honda. I'm in the market for a genny.
Running out of propane while boondocking is a PITA. Trip ender! I'll stick with gas for my Hondas and save the propane for our fridge, water heater, cook stove and furnace. Gas is also much, much easier to find than propane.
Most remote gas stations refill propane. just stay away from the swaps- those things are a ripoff unless your tank is expired.
*Here in the west at least- back east I have no idea.
If you can have dedicated propane cylinders, it might make more sense. That was my thinking.
Running out of propane is not a headache, it’s a crisis! Lol!
One that uses such SHOULD be able to figure out how much would be needed and be setup for the trip
@@prof.crastinator so refills only?
You need to use the stay bill 360 gas additive every time you fill your gasoline can that will keep good and also help with the 10% ethanol ,ethanol is the ones that bad for a generator that will cause problems. Most generator manufacturers have said to use the 360 gas additive and gas over 87% thats what I use haven't had a problem and i have a cheap generator.
I don't understand why you don't clean that generator it looks disgusting.
🙄 people like you will whine about literally anything.
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