Is letting Hyman walk the Leafs biggest regret of the Matthews era?| OverDrive - Hour 1 - 06/07/2024
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- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss Zach Hyman’s comments that it wasn’t his decision to leave Toronto in free agency, chat with Oakland Athletics TV Analyst Dallas Braden about the Yankees and Dodgers meeting in a potential World Series preview as well as how A’s fans in Oakland are feeling about the final season in the Bay Area, and much more.
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Top 5 Mistakes Toronto has made in Matthews Era
1. Letting Hyman go
2. Letting McCann go in the expansion draft
3. Poor return in the Kadri trade
4. Trading Mason Marchment for Dennis Malgin
5. Trading for Nick Foligno
You can argue a few others (including signing guys to the money they have and constructing a roster the way they have) but these mistakes stand out for me
#1 isn't even on your list. #1 is not signing Pietrangelo and trading Marner or Nylander back then to make the room.
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If you live in a heritage home, yes you aren’t allowed to do any renovations / alterations to the interior and exterior without permission from the city. It’s due to the city wanting to preserve that specific home due to historic value
And that would have been clearly spelled out in the sales paperwork. Think what you like about Heritage Homes designations but you know what you are getting into when you are purchasing heritage properties.
Exactly that bro. Well said sir
I remember commenting on TH-cam that Edmonton was so lucky to be getting Hyman. He may never have scored this many goals, but I thought he was the Leafs most valuable player. He was the only player who could forecheck and actually hang on to the puck. He made it possible for Marner and Matthews to do their thing. The Leafs still haven’t found a guy with his skills (although Marner & Matthews managed to flourish without him). Kudos to Hyman for helping to get Edmonton to the finals! Leafs fan here cheering on Edmonton to win the cup!!!
Hyman is first class, he's definitely been a glue guy since he joined the oilers. As an oilers fan I'm glad Dubis proved to be so dense. Hopefully the oilers win and it unleashes a series of cups for Canadian teams.
Notice the guy from Edmonton didn't say anything nice about Toronto but the Toronto guy said something nice about Edmonton. This is pretty much standard practice in Ontario. And yet somehow to western Canada Ontario has all the worst people ever yet we only say nice things about you guys and Alberta constantly trashes Ontario
I'm an Oilers fan that lives in Calgary. I wouldn't be so sure about Treliving, he torpedoed the Calgary flames. The Flames went from a pretty good team, made the second round of the playoffs. Now the Flames need to consider a rebuild/retool.
As an Oilers fan, thanks for Zach! Would you accept Jack Cambell back as a token of appreciation?
let's see if you're full of jokes after this final
Torpedoed them? Tell me more.
@@teeflight Why wouldn't he be? We're in the finals with the TWO best players in the league on our roster (Florida has no one that is close to them). I wonder, switch to basketball, would you bet on Boston against L.A. with Kareem and Magic (Boston had the better overall team), or bet against Chicago in a finals with Jordan/Pippen? Yes, they are on the court together a LOT more than McD/Drai are on the ice together, separate or apart - but all things being equal, the Oilers have the edge.
@@angrydalailama6089let Jonny G walk for nothing. You can’t let top players string you along. Oilers will be in same boat with Drasaitl, if he doesn’t extend early it will be a choice between another cup or build for future.
@@mkyhou1160 I agree that it's a bad look but John had a NTC, correct? He pulled a move similar to Tavares. Strung em along until the end and then bailed. Tough spot to be in as a GM.
It did, however, seem that the team vibe was poor under his watch. I'd question his knowledge of that - alongside of any actions he took to rectify the situation. Why did everyone and their dog want out of Calgary? Lindholm, Hanifin, Chucky, Bennett (and so on). How did they go from a potential contender to a tire fire? Their facilities are far from league leading but Calgary has a fair amount of positives. It won't all be his fault but he has to own a %!
It's the Tavares contract that meant the Leafs couldn't sign Hyman. In the final analysis Tavares's contract has been an anchor that stopped them from getting a top 4 D and Hyman. Yes, I'm aware he scored a few big goals.
Hyman didn't sign with the Leafs because Dubas didn't want to give Hyman a NMC.
A few ?
Yeah, where's Waldo somehow thought we'd just out score everyone into oblivion (and subsequently win a cup or two). Had he been right, the backend of John's deal wouldn't look so bad. COVID unquestionably affected the cap as well.
Hyman has done what he's done because of the system (and the parts) in Edmonton. Not taking anything from Zach - but McDavid & Draisaitl > Matthews & COD boy. Zero question.
@@angrydalailama6089 Agreed. I'm not a Marner hater because Leafs have never had the type of D core that can support the kind of high-risk, high reward player that he is. I understand wanting to trade him because of cap issues (I wouldn't), but the fans that want to trade him for hockey reasons are just wrong.
They didn't need Tavares at that point, especially at 11 million ..forced them into making bad team decisions that are still costing them and still making bad decisions
Biggest regret: Hiring Shanahan who hired bacock and Lamorello and Scooby...and Shanny is still there raking in the bucks.
No. Because he never would've excelled like this with a Tier 2 player like Matthews.
Matthews is a great goal scorer, McDavid is a generational player that actually makes players around him better. Somethng Matthews doesnt do.
Matthews is a goal scorer, and Mcdavid is an assist machine. Hyman would never have scored as many goals with Toronto, agreed
Agreed. I find that Matthews can't drive play like the best in the league.
@@OneAndOnlyKJx 97 can do whatever is needed, kid.
100 assets? Bank it.
63 goals? Bank it.
Matthews could never
@johanstinson Who says I'm a kid? I mean, Mcdavid is the best in the world, so.
All they needed to do was trade Kerfoot to free up cap for Hyman’s raise 🤦♂️
They traded for Jared McCann then left him unprotected in the expansion draft instead of Kerfoot.
Hyman would have been a 35 goal man on Toronto for his career. He wouldn't be scoring like he's doing right now because he has McDaddy dishing him his cookies. He's a good goal scorer, but made a great scorer on Edmonton. To look in hindsight and say looking at the goal scorer he has become, Toronto should have kept him, is stupid. More goals isn't what Toronto needs. How many f'ing years in a row do Toronto fans and media need to be shown that?
not scoring more than 2 goals in last bunch of playoff games suggests otherwise .
@@jaerockchalk3216 If they had a stronger defence, they could push forward more, and have some faith that their D could hold their own. A stronger D would help their goalies to look better too.
Noodles is the best. His take on the house painting is spot on. This show doesn’t work without him. Just my 0.02
Lets just say add it to the list!
We signed Marleau at 6.5M multi year deal and it cost a 1st to get rid of him when he stunk, the 1st turned into Seth Jarvis!
We traded away Verhaege, Joshua, Lafferty, Marchment all for nothing.
Marleau only had one year left. That'a never an issue. They had to rid of his contract because of the JT signing.
Yeah I always said that one made zero sense. It was for one year too long. Right when Matthews and Marner were going to get paid, he’s the Christmas tree that’s still up in February.
The Stanley Cup parade in Toronto has been cancelled indefinitely.
Letting Hyman walk was one of the worst recent decisions (and there have been many) made by Toronto management. They could really use him right now, and stability in the forward group outside of the core 4 has been, and continues to be, a real problem. A clearly substandard blue line and inconsistent goaltending are also problematic.
Was Hyman going to become a 50 goal scorer alongside Matthews?
I once saw someone pushing a Rabbit in a Stroller
"they're not scratching yes" 😭
{Bruins fans called in about the house painting.}
Matthews only generates between 30% to 50% of assists compared to the top 25 NHL assist leaders.
So Zack benefited from getting away from Matthews weak passing skills - whereas with top 25 assist leaders in Edmonton Zack almost has as many goals as Matthews this year. 😀
I’m surprised you haven’t talked about this earlier.
I love how everyone argues Hyman wouldn’t be anything without McDavid; that he would never have put these numbers up with Matthews … and yet will argue all day long that Matthews deserves the MVP over McDavid. The MVP makes others around him better. That is not, and never was, Matthews game, and yet …
Hyman wasn't asking for much, they management belived that skill and talented players were worth more!!
They forgot about the one players who went to those dirty areas!!! Who hit !! Who setup those skill talentef players and even dropped the gloves .
A player who made those players better !!!
And look where they are and where he is now!!!
5.5 million in the playoff finals!!! Showed up in every aspect of the game!
Grinds good hands scores plays physical everyday!!!
And there are a few other regrets !!! That also are in the Stanley Cup finals !!!
Listen...as a Lightning fan...I still have PTSD over the guys we HAD to let walk: Marchessault and Verhaeghe. Ugh. Palat and Gourde haven't been any better since leaving but those two? Jesus. Wish we still had 'em.
I hear that JT Miller isn't too bad either.
Hyman was great in TO but had two knee injuries and one was bad in his last year. Given that and his point total 5 mill a year was too much at the time. If TO would have given him that and he blew his knee out a year later we’d be hating on them for that move. It’s all hindsight
Another thing to add is that he would not put up those type of numbers on Toronto playing with Matthews. McDavid is way more of a playmaker and is looking to feed him, while AM is the scorer of that line. And Oilers fans def were not jumping for joy when they signed him for that number either. Worked out great for them, but noone saw this coming.
Toronto has a loser mentality. There's no consequence to winning or losing. The arena is sold out forever, the merch will sell out forever, honestly, does it matter if they deliver a win for fans? Not financially. If I was mgmt I'd find the cheapest team possible and increase profits, TO fans are the least demanding, but vocally loudest, of any club. Fish in a barrel.
This is the real problem and it starts at the top
Exactly. Been saying it for a while. It's a country club atmosphere for this team. They're comfortable. They know nothing will happen if they lose. They'll all be back the next season and the next season, getting overpaid. And fans continue to be enthralled by having all these talented young players. They constantly say you can't trade any of them because you can't replace their talent. Or they say, with the ultimate cope, the Leafs are lucky to be one of the 16 teams that makes the playoffs and they're close because they barely lost a Game 7. It's pathetic.
And fans keep selling out the building and buying up merch, so MLSE is comfortable just putting out the same product. There's pressure mounting on them to have the team win.
By headlining "the Matthews era" you must mean "the Kyle Dubas failure era". He didn't know what he was doing. Player evaluation was based on analytics charts. What a loser he is. Pittsburgh is doomed for years in the wilderness. I also blame Shanahan for allowing KD to run amok. What a waste..
I would argue that signing Tavares to the contract they did is the reason why they let Hyman walk…
Between JT making 11 and then having to sign Matthews, Willy and Mitch and they gave them way WAY too much money for first re up…especially with nothing showing
They signed the 4th best forward to 11 million per year when they needed D. The turning point of the rebuild was signing Tavares. What a mistake
leafs fans always moaning about over paying guys so one time dubas say's no way and let's the guy walk and now they're moaning about how they should've kept him lol
hyman never had more then one goal in any playoff series in his entire leafs career
3:02 Yes heritage homes are a pain in freaking rear end. The clause that comes with that is worse than Mitch marner's NMC. The people that snitched could very well be from the entity involved with ensuring these homes are not changed from its original. Heritage council of Ontario perhaps... Not sure if that's the name of them but sounds about right
That's like asking if Kadri was a huge regret after a cup winning season in Colorado. Taking a risk on long term contracts for guys that are 30 is a gamble.
Nobody with a brain in their head looks at Hyman & Kadri style of play and doesnt realize that's exactly what you need in the playoffs. It's not a gamble its complete incompetence
Sakic jumped on Kadri ASAP
@@shaunbalram2203 yup he did. But he never resigned him to a long term contract either.
Anderson and Khadri come to mind. Dubas wasn't as good as people thought then. Letting talent go and giving no-trade clauses to guys like Marner are both silly.
Hyman scored a max. of 21 goals in his best year with the Leaf's. He would have never scored 54 with Matthews, so the Edmonton pick-up gain is all due to McDavid.
Did you take your 3000 mg of Copium yet today?
Right, Hyman had a shooter on his line that took all of the best looks in the O zone. Where as 97 can do both, set up players and put it home himself. Hyman had 39 goals last year & 9 goals taken back, Same year McDavid had 64 goals with 89 apples. So obviously he is better in EDM because he is not just a back ground character @ the Matthews show. He is part of the most dominant line in hockey. But yeah, it must all be 97. Maybe Hyman is just a perfect lineman for 97, similar to 29 maybe? Or maybe it's that Matthews actually takes away from players and there opportunities because he is ALWAYS shoot first. He doesn't think beyond his chances to score.
Matthews is a fantastic goal scorer, probably the best in the league. But he is not a complete player yet, he may never be.
Where as 97 has progressed into a fantastic back checker and he is quickly becoming the most dominant all around player.
@@TheWarawajBrilliant take. 👏👏👏
When the oilers were losing like mad to start the season the line of Hyman Draisaitl and Nuge was the only line producing. And Hyman was on a Tear. Nuge and Hyman got moved up to get McDavid going and same results.
He definitely benefits playing with Playmakers. Nuge McDavid Draisaitl can all score but they all think pass first. Hyman thinks go to the net. Mathews isn't a playmaker he's a sniper. Shoot first guy. Like Stamkos, Ovechkin the guys have never had a ton of apples or been know for setting up goals of they don't have the shot. That being said, for years oilers were trying to find a winger who could play with McDavid. Only ones that ever worked were Nuge and Putting Draisaitl on the wing because there needs to be a high hockey IQ. And Hyman doesn't get enough credit for how smart he is and how well he reads the play. Yes he's a dog with a bone and has a great work ethic, and that overshadows just how well he reads what his linemates are going to do or set up. He never would've excelled in TO the way he has in Edmonton. But he could've given the right pieces.
@@RemusBriclebrack Tell me you're a siv without saying it.... Oh wait
Paying Tavares 11 mil/yr should be their biggest regret. Guy wasnt worth 6 mil/yr
Absolutely worst trade simce Nazim Kadry
I didn't know much about Kadri in Toronto, but in Calgary he's a shadow of what Hyman is in Edmonton. Not even comparable.
As a Toronto fan what worse. Watching the leafs in a playoff game watching the Blue jays or watching someone puke???
Hyman, Brown, Cici, are all glad they left Toronto
The biggest mistake was not trading Marner or Nylander when Pietrangelo was a UFA. They could have had him, he was interested but they didn't have the money.
How was Hyman's answer ripping on the leafs?? He answered the fkn question. Get over the thought that anyone cares about the leafs right now. All they are is a regular season cash cow and a playoff disgrace!
Hyman just stands in the paint and feeds off of Mcdavids sloppy seconds. He rides Supermans Cape.
Why has Shanahan not been fired yet, can we trust him to fix TML?
I say fire Shanahan and let Treliving TRY and fix this team.
Run it back again! Keep Shanaplan, because clearly no one MLS knows wtf they're doing, and let the rot continue from the top down. It is hilarious to watch. All the success the Leafs have had in the last 10 years is all because of Brendan Shanaplan. Run it back again.
Yes. Biggest regret. We all loved him and he made the studs better. We just can't have a middle class cus of the top percenters taking up over half the cap. League Minimum to like 2 mill or 10plus mill or that's it!!! It's insane
Letting this hometown kid walk is and will be the Leaf’s biggest mistake in the Mathew’s era.
From a Edmontonian….thank you Leafs
Leafs have lost or traded many good players over the years. Hyman is enjoying his season in Edmonton
I hate the person that cuts these clips.
Dubas needed to understand cause and effect. You overpay your stars and lose your real soldiers in: Hyman, Kadri, JVR, Bozak, …
Since Dubas left they have given those overpaid stars even more term and money so you have to wonder who was in charge in the first place
You misspelled Dubas.
You spell it C-O-N-J-O-B
Letting Freddy go was worse
You can't build new housing unless you knock down old crap. This is why we have a housing crisis.
The hope in the Springs turned into wishful thunking
4 minutes in I had to shut it down. Hayes and Jeffie acting tough and threatening a doxxing is childish af. And Jamie really.. that's what bothers you the most? A rich pansy tried to paint a heritage home just because they wanted too? Rules are rules son. If you didn't read them you shouldn't be in the game
Want a good laugh read the TO bylaws re: dogs in restaurants.
Terrible, take on the historic home.When you buy that home, you know what you are agreeing to.It's not a surprise,so no.
O-DOG ... meow ... lmao
clearly leafs have done a poor job scouting their own players.
Just saying i would have called it in. Its a heritage house, don’t buy it if you don’t know the rules
Im sure they are nice people but they tried to paint it without permission because it was “unsightly”
Well then don’t buy it.
bad look
the Eve of tbe play off and dude rambles on about the leafs. TSN!
letting go of kadri and hymen big mistakes
Kadri Conner Brown Zach Hyman McKinnleny Mason Marchment and a couple more all big mistakes
I can NOT imagine being in a relationship where you agree to not have the A/C on for the friggin cats.
What the hell O-dog!?
That’s just absurd man.
yup
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I cant wait for the mathews era to end 😂😂😂😂 then we can finally move on from this garbage
the same people that wanted to force you to wear a mask don't want you to paint your house
if you do not understand the difference between those two things - you should stop eating paint chips
@@pjpredhomme7699 take your mask off hater!
Believers still exist? lol.
Good luck in life
Stick to sports
Hahahahaha…..’the Matthews era’…..hahahahahaha…..seven years of accomplishments….too bad they were all personal……hahahahaha…..Matthews era…..hahahaha stop it…..leave it to T.O. Media! The finals for the Stanley Cup, and hot dog noddles eta…..are talking Matthews…..love it…..