In this clip i ride 3 different Gong Fluid Frontwings with my 6m Superpower to see how they perform in these gusty conditions side by side...i use my Flint 510 with the 85cm carbon mast 2021... njoy LXT
Thanks so much for this review, and your feedback in the comments are so very helpful. I'm 88kg and using the Cruve XLT for light wind and XL (Edit LT not XL) (high wind) for a while and like them very much. Now I'm thinking to change the new fluid XXLT for light wind, and the XLS (or LS) for high wind as the water gets very choppy when the wind picks up. Hopefully you can review the Tall fluids too. Thanks again
Hi, i have the 3 tallest Fluids in this clip, i would keep the xlt in your case for lowest wind, the xxl will not take off as early...in your case curve XLT with Fluid XXLS or XL should do the job, the curve xl is similar to the faster fluid xxls ...with your weight in high winds the xl should be great
@@lxt1714 I guess you haven't seen the newest Gong sizes for the fluid that came out this week. They now have Fluid tall series. XXLT, XLT, LT, MT, and some sizes. They are very low volume, and extra thin.
@@rolandjacques649 you were right, just checked the specs, 4cm wider and 100cm more but only 1.8cm thickness...think i get one but maybe no advantage to the xxl in terms of lowend, the issue is you need more speed with thinner profiles which does not matter in surfing but in winging with short boards it is not easy to get to this speed without a powered wing...lets see...
@@rolandjacques649 hi my assumptions were right after checking with gong technical support- the largest T Fluid offers more glide but has less lift than the XXL, it seems to be similar to veloce but with more agility..so i will skip this one
Mr LX T what a great honest and simple review, looks like the winner was the XXLS the, I am a GONG fan and will be soon looking at stepping down from the 2500 beginners foil. I weigh 85kg, what about you, if you don't mind just for reference? New subscriber as welll. Keep those honest reviews coming!!
@@lxt1714 Yes that could be the way to go, I am hoping to change my Zuma 6'9" soon when the right deal comes along for your board, I think the Flint 5'10" has the perfect length to volume balance for me.
@@wildhogget69 I recently switched from the beginner foil to the Fluid XXL-s, and its freaking fantastic. I paired it with the veloce pro 47 stab. Works like a dream. Im 82kg. Good luck
Great to see your review of the Gong Fluid - I have both the Fluid XL and XXLS having moved to these from Curve XL as enjoy the smoother glide. Assume you are using the Fluid L stabiliser? Now tempted to get the Fluid XLT for even higher aspect or the Fluid LT as I’m a bit lighter at 75kg. If you review these I’d be very interested.
I have the largest veloce but think of getting the largest fluid, for pumpability large surface in rear is king, the T version is similar to veloce, too thin for my purposes here where i need fast lift and max lowend on any size due to gusty conditions, the xl is already small for me and my weight 110kg
NJ, how you getting on with the above setup. i'm simlar weight i have jsut moved to it. assume the xxls as your light wind did you find it helped earlier takeoff? did you get a LT or somethign else as your big wind foil?
@@nickpratt9752 Hi Nick, the range of XXLS Fluid at 1750 for 12-14 knots works well and then I have a 1550 for medium and the L-T for strong wind… I’m generally using it in fresh water so no added lift from swell or waves so works for me. The Curve XL is great and is probably as good for light wind as the Fluid XXLS as having a bigger wing not only helps when the wind is light but also it helps when learning gybes and is my go to foil as now learning toe side tacks, however too big on the occasions I have gone down to the coast and this is where the XL/XL-T and L-T come into their own. Happy foiling!
I am an okay kite foiler, currently I have the first version of the surf foil (later rise wing in M). Now I want to get into winging and also replace my kite foil. I am at 82kg without gear. Could you help me decide between a fluid XXLS and a Curve XL? I live in bavaria, so a lot of light winds and lakes. How is the low end and stall speed of these too? Optically I really prefer the shape of the fluid also for transport :P For kiting I think about replacing the surf M (rise?) with a Fluid L? :)
Hi, the problem is curve xxl is no longer produced-if you can get one take it.., for dockstart the curve xlt should work for you because of thicker profile, rise xxl is an option but very thick.long distance not possible due to resistance..fluid xxl might work if you have some practice and a good dock to takeoff with some speed...but 1850 is not huge surface...the fluid xxlt has 1950cm2 but is thin like veloce, so lot of speed required to takeoff..
Can you compare the Veloce XXL with Fluid XXL? Which would you prefer and why? I am very happy with my fluid XLS and Veloce XL (if wind is up) but dont really like the Veloce XXL for low wind days. It stalls at low speed way too early for its size but is "overpowered" early, too, thats my impression (maybe my 83 kg are not ideal for the veloce XXL...?). I am considering to swap it for a fluid XXL. What do you think? Thanks!
Same experience with Veloce, needs powered wind and has thin profile, fluids are a bit thicker and more forgiving in low speed and gusty lightwind conditions...sold my veloce xxl, for ultra lowwind i still have my curve xxl which has 1000cm2 more and is dockstartable for me...
Great vídeo. Thanks👍 I'm 77 kg. I have curve LT and I like it but I want to take off earlier and stay in the air more time without the wing, doing better DW. First I would like to buy curve XL but now I'm interested in Fluid xxls or other size... I love to surf waves. Which one do you recomend me? And which stab do you recomend me? Now I have the curve 40cm. Thanks
Hi, the xxls should do a good job here if you like glide and lower ar wings smoother turns, the xxl is more like a glider with bit more lowend...curve xl has similar lowend to xxls or xxl fluid but more resistance and not so efficient to pump...basically downwind you cannot get too large because this only means less effort..stab you need to try, i like big staps for more pumping speed which is similar to downwind stuff without wing...the larger the rear the more power into speed..you cannot pump a monofoil, think about this...whales have also large rear fins :).regards lxt
Hi, the equivalent wing to curve xl is xxls, i did not use curve again since i have the fluids, i like glide speed and responsiveness...but if you are beginner ride curve for one year and think of upgrading then, they are no wings for inexperienced riders...cheers LXT
Hi. Great video. My weight is 95, last year I tried the Gong X-over xxl without success. Had a very hard time getting on foil pumping it. I have now ordered the Veloce XXL because I was advised to get a more high aspect foil. But after seeing all these comments, I think the Curve XLT (xxl not in stock) would be a better choice for me. What are your thoughts on this?
With 95kg curve xlt is largest option available and with less resistance than rise...fluid xxl is a bit thicker than veloce and might work...i prefer fluid over veloce...was never able to pump the veloce xxl with 105kg...
@@tknuts if you want to pump you need to get the largest available wings, the guys in the videos are always 60kg guys.you need 2000+ better 2500+ with your weight or if you ..so curve xlt will carry earlier than fluid xxl..never tried a smallet curve than xl
Thank you for the feedback! I just got the fluid xl with x-over stab L (because all other rear wings were sold out and I hope it helps with stability). Do you think it’s worth investing in a bigger front wing over time and if so, which one? I’m a very skilled 85kg windfoiler, starting out with a 5m wing and hope to get my first real session soon.
Hi, xl is cool for wind and your weight, for low wind i would add an curve xlt for maximum pumpability and lowend or a fluid xxl which will takeoff 1-2 kts later
@@lxt1714 thanks a lot! the curve xlt is on its way :) hope tot test it soon. Would be cool if I can use it for dockstart too. What’s your mainly used wing? I’m thinking to add a droid or neutra 6m to my duotone unit 5m
@@GARAASJ i recommend a powerful 6m or bigger for lowwind,deep profile=more power- i use sp from gong, my main wing for low mid wind was 7.5, in strong winds 15kts+ i use 6, in 25kts+ maybe 5 will be pumped...
@@lxt1714 I am 85kg and use the slick 6.5m in the summer and its a good strong wing, 10-12knts minimum wind I need to get on foil as my technique is not that great.
Hi, i used the veloce 47cm stab because i still want a bit lift and power for pumping drive, the fluids are smaller and my moses setup also works great with my 483s that feels similar, fast but still pumpable...regards lxt
@@adamwittboldt1955 Depends on the spot and how powered you like it..i rode the Fluid XL with my 5m in waveconditions and it was great- winds 18kt+, so in heavy Waveconditions you could also go for the LT or XLS with your weight, the XL is defenitely a good allroundwing for 75kg...njoy LXT
I am using a Slingshot Infinity 99 low aspect and slow 2371cm2 wing, have been out about 20 sessions and in decent wind I am now making around 80% of my Jibes and foot switches. I also feel very stable at all times but foot switch and sometimes Jibes. I am around 77KG with gear. I am looking to move to Gong. I was thinking two wings, one to start off with Gong, such as a Curve XL or XLT. This I would keep later on the road as a lightwind wing. But I would also hope to be able to ride some wind swell with it as well and be able to handle some higher wind conditions (Say up to 25 knots and choppy conditions). Then also buy, maybe even at the same time for any wind other than light wind a fluid XL or XLS Do you have any opinion on this?
The infinity is between curve and fluid due to low ar and medium profile..with inf99 and below 80kg for low wind xlt curve might be best low wind option, the fluid xxl and xxls will take off later..but with good pumping technique the xxls might be the next reactive step for you and your weight...due to lower ar than xxl...the xl fluid is really responsive, not sure if this is to much for next step...if you come from infinity i would not go to curve aside for low wind...so curve xlt for lowest wind similar to infinity 99 and or fluid xxls if you want to go quicker for swell the fluid xl or even xls with lower ar and 1400cm2 are an option for you cheers lxt
@@lxt1714 I think the Infinity 99 is more like the Rise or Xover, it is thicker and lower AR than the Curve. I have a nearby lake that is fairly low wind so having the Curve XLT would likely be useful. I was thinking the Curve to get the full package including the mast, stab, fuselage, bag, ... Then use the stab of the curve for the fluid initially, might make it a bit easier to use. Worst case I struggle with it and use the curve for a bit longer. so many choices make it a hard decision.
@@jbwiden hi i tried infinity 84 and 76 and both are defenitely faster than curves due to sharper design (leading edge of wing) like sabfoil moses, for low wimd go for xlt curve complete setup, if you need shorter mast also the xlt sup setup will be fine with extra mast and fluid xls...njoy regards lxt
I dont speak well , and i dont have understand all soo much, for my weight 75 kg and my home spot from 9 - 16 knot Who Is Better the XXL or XXLS? Thanks
Nice to see other Gong fan 🏄🏼♂️👍
thanks a lot
Thanks so much for this review, and your feedback in the comments are so very helpful. I'm 88kg and using the Cruve XLT for light wind and XL (Edit LT not XL) (high wind) for a while and like them very much. Now I'm thinking to change the new fluid XXLT for light wind, and the XLS (or LS) for high wind as the water gets very choppy when the wind picks up. Hopefully you can review the Tall fluids too. Thanks again
Hi, i have the 3 tallest Fluids in this clip, i would keep the xlt in your case for lowest wind, the xxl will not take off as early...in your case curve XLT with Fluid XXLS or XL should do the job, the curve xl is similar to the faster fluid xxls ...with your weight in high winds the xl should be great
@@lxt1714
I guess you haven't seen the newest Gong sizes for the fluid that came out this week. They now have Fluid tall series. XXLT, XLT, LT, MT, and some sizes. They are very low volume, and extra thin.
@@rolandjacques649 you were right, just checked the specs, 4cm wider and 100cm more but only 1.8cm thickness...think i get one but maybe no advantage to the xxl in terms of lowend, the issue is you need more speed with thinner profiles which does not matter in surfing but in winging with short boards it is not easy to get to this speed without a powered wing...lets see...
@@rolandjacques649 hi my assumptions were right after checking with gong technical support- the largest T Fluid offers more glide but has less lift than the XXL, it seems to be similar to veloce but with more agility..so i will skip this one
Mr LX T what a great honest and simple review, looks like the winner was the XXLS the, I am a GONG fan and will be soon looking at stepping down from the 2500 beginners foil. I weigh 85kg, what about you, if you don't mind just for reference?
New subscriber as welll. Keep those honest reviews coming!!
Hi, iam around 105, so the xxls will might be your allround wing soon :) the xl(s) also might me worth as hiwind alternative in your quiver...njoy lxt
@@lxt1714 Yes that could be the way to go, I am hoping to change my Zuma 6'9" soon when the right deal comes along for your board, I think the Flint 5'10" has the perfect length to volume balance for me.
@@wildhogget69 I recently switched from the beginner foil to the Fluid XXL-s, and its freaking fantastic. I paired it with the veloce pro 47 stab. Works like a dream. Im 82kg. Good luck
Great to see your review of the Gong Fluid - I have both the Fluid XL and XXLS having moved to these from Curve XL as enjoy the smoother glide. Assume you are using the Fluid L stabiliser?
Now tempted to get the Fluid XLT for even higher aspect or the Fluid LT as I’m a bit lighter at 75kg. If you review these I’d be very interested.
I have the largest veloce but think of getting the largest fluid, for pumpability large surface in rear is king, the T version is similar to veloce, too thin for my purposes here where i need fast lift and max lowend on any size due to gusty conditions, the xl is already small for me and my weight 110kg
NJ, how you getting on with the above setup. i'm simlar weight i have jsut moved to it. assume the xxls as your light wind did you find it helped earlier takeoff? did you get a LT or somethign else as your big wind foil?
@@nickpratt9752 Hi Nick, the range of XXLS Fluid at 1750 for 12-14 knots works well and then I have a 1550 for medium and the L-T for strong wind… I’m generally using it in fresh water so no added lift from swell or waves so works for me. The Curve XL is great and is probably as good for light wind as the Fluid XXLS as having a bigger wing not only helps when the wind is light but also it helps when learning gybes and is my go to foil as now learning toe side tacks, however too big on the occasions I have gone down to the coast and this is where the XL/XL-T and L-T come into their own. Happy foiling!
Greetings from Croatia! Super informative video. It would be great if we measured the maximum speed when testing the wings?? 👍🏻 🌬🌊🏄♂️
i measured approx 30max with xxl and xxls, 34 with xl
I am an okay kite foiler, currently I have the first version of the surf foil (later rise wing in M). Now I want to get into winging and also replace my kite foil. I am at 82kg without gear.
Could you help me decide between a fluid XXLS and a Curve XL? I live in bavaria, so a lot of light winds and lakes.
How is the low end and stall speed of these too?
Optically I really prefer the shape of the fluid also for transport :P
For kiting I think about replacing the surf M (rise?) with a Fluid L? :)
Hey, great video! I'm looking for a good foil for pumping (dockstarts). Would you recommend the Fluid XXL or the Curve XLT or even Curve XXL? I'm 89kg
Hi, the problem is curve xxl is no longer produced-if you can get one take it.., for dockstart the curve xlt should work for you because of thicker profile, rise xxl is an option but very thick.long distance not possible due to resistance..fluid xxl might work if you have some practice and a good dock to takeoff with some speed...but 1850 is not huge surface...the fluid xxlt has 1950cm2 but is thin like veloce, so lot of speed required to takeoff..
Can you compare the Veloce XXL with Fluid XXL? Which would you prefer and why? I am very happy with my fluid XLS and Veloce XL (if wind is up) but dont really like the Veloce XXL for low wind days. It stalls at low speed way too early for its size but is "overpowered" early, too, thats my impression (maybe my 83 kg are not ideal for the veloce XXL...?). I am considering to swap it for a fluid XXL. What do you think? Thanks!
Same experience with Veloce, needs powered wind and has thin profile, fluids are a bit thicker and more forgiving in low speed and gusty lightwind conditions...sold my veloce xxl, for ultra lowwind i still have my curve xxl which has 1000cm2 more and is dockstartable for me...
Great vídeo. Thanks👍
I'm 77 kg. I have curve LT and I like it but I want to take off earlier and stay in the air more time without the wing, doing better DW. First I would like to buy curve XL but now I'm interested in Fluid xxls or other size... I love to surf waves.
Which one do you recomend me? And which stab do you recomend me? Now I have the curve 40cm.
Thanks
Hi, the xxls should do a good job here if you like glide and lower ar wings smoother turns, the xxl is more like a glider with bit more lowend...curve xl has similar lowend to xxls or xxl fluid but more resistance and not so efficient to pump...basically downwind you cannot get too large because this only means less effort..stab you need to try, i like big staps for more pumping speed which is similar to downwind stuff without wing...the larger the rear the more power into speed..you cannot pump a monofoil, think about this...whales have also large rear fins :).regards lxt
@@lxt1714 Thanks a lot. I'm going to try the Fluid xxls😉
Thanks for sharing this review. Based on your experience do you prefer the Curve XL or the Fluid XL?
Hi, the equivalent wing to curve xl is xxls, i did not use curve again since i have the fluids, i like glide speed and responsiveness...but if you are beginner ride curve for one year and think of upgrading then, they are no wings for inexperienced riders...cheers LXT
@@lxt1714 thanks for this great advice. I use the Fluid M on my kite foil but I'm new to the wing so this is very helpful, thanks.
Hi.
Great video. My weight is 95, last year I tried the Gong X-over xxl without success. Had a very hard time getting on foil pumping it. I have now ordered the Veloce XXL because I was advised to get a more high aspect foil. But after seeing all these comments, I think the Curve XLT (xxl not in stock) would be a better choice for me. What are your thoughts on this?
With 95kg curve xlt is largest option available and with less resistance than rise...fluid xxl is a bit thicker than veloce and might work...i prefer fluid over veloce...was never able to pump the veloce xxl with 105kg...
@@lxt1714 Do you think the Curve XLS is a better option over Fluid xxl in my case?Curve XLT not XLS I mean
@@tknuts if you want to pump you need to get the largest available wings, the guys in the videos are always 60kg guys.you need 2000+ better 2500+ with your weight or if you ..so curve xlt will carry earlier than fluid xxl..never tried a smallet curve than xl
Thank you for the feedback! I just got the fluid xl with x-over stab L (because all other rear wings were sold out and I hope it helps with stability). Do you think it’s worth investing in a bigger front wing over time and if so, which one? I’m a very skilled 85kg windfoiler, starting out with a 5m wing and hope to get my first real session soon.
Hi, xl is cool for wind and your weight, for low wind i would add an curve xlt for maximum pumpability and lowend or a fluid xxl which will takeoff 1-2 kts later
@@lxt1714 thanks a lot! the curve xlt is on its way :) hope tot test it soon. Would be cool if I can use it for dockstart too. What’s your mainly used wing? I’m thinking to add a droid or neutra 6m to my duotone unit 5m
@@GARAASJ i recommend a powerful 6m or bigger for lowwind,deep profile=more power- i use sp from gong, my main wing for low mid wind was 7.5, in strong winds 15kts+ i use 6, in 25kts+ maybe 5 will be pumped...
@@lxt1714 I am 85kg and use the slick 6.5m in the summer and its a good strong wing, 10-12knts minimum wind I need to get on foil as my technique is not that great.
Hello LXT
great video again!! Thanks for this.
I missed the stab you are using in this comparison.
Which one is it?
Hi, i used the veloce 47cm stab because i still want a bit lift and power for pumping drive, the fluids are smaller and my moses setup also works great with my 483s that feels similar, fast but still pumpable...regards lxt
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Very good video! I’m about 75 kg and a good level rider. Do you think the fluid xlt would be good for mid to high wind?
Or the xls?
@@adamwittboldt1955 Depends on the spot and how powered you like it..i rode the Fluid XL with my 5m in waveconditions and it was great- winds 18kt+, so in heavy Waveconditions you could also go for the LT or XLS with your weight, the XL is defenitely a good allroundwing for 75kg...njoy LXT
I am using a Slingshot Infinity 99 low aspect and slow 2371cm2 wing, have been out about 20 sessions and in decent wind I am now making around 80% of my Jibes and foot switches. I also feel very stable at all times but foot switch and sometimes Jibes. I am around 77KG with gear.
I am looking to move to Gong.
I was thinking two wings, one to start off with Gong, such as a Curve XL or XLT. This I would keep later on the road as a lightwind wing. But I would also hope to be able to ride some wind swell with it as well and be able to handle some higher wind conditions (Say up to 25 knots and choppy conditions).
Then also buy, maybe even at the same time for any wind other than light wind a fluid XL or XLS
Do you have any opinion on this?
The infinity is between curve and fluid due to low ar and medium profile..with inf99 and below 80kg for low wind xlt curve might be best low wind option, the fluid xxl and xxls will take off later..but with good pumping technique the xxls might be the next reactive step for you and your weight...due to lower ar than xxl...the xl fluid is really responsive, not sure if this is to much for next step...if you come from infinity i would not go to curve aside for low wind...so curve xlt for lowest wind similar to infinity 99 and or fluid xxls if you want to go quicker for swell the fluid xl or even xls with lower ar and 1400cm2 are an option for you cheers lxt
@@lxt1714 I think the Infinity 99 is more like the Rise or Xover, it is thicker and lower AR than the Curve.
I have a nearby lake that is fairly low wind so having the Curve XLT would likely be useful.
I was thinking the Curve to get the full package including the mast, stab, fuselage, bag, ...
Then use the stab of the curve for the fluid initially, might make it a bit easier to use. Worst case I struggle with it and use the curve for a bit longer.
so many choices make it a hard decision.
@@jbwiden hi i tried infinity 84 and 76 and both are defenitely faster than curves due to sharper design (leading edge of wing) like sabfoil moses, for low wimd go for xlt curve complete setup, if you need shorter mast also the xlt sup setup will be fine with extra mast and fluid xls...njoy regards lxt
I dont speak well , and i dont have understand all soo much, for my weight 75 kg and my home spot from 9 - 16 knot Who Is Better the XXL or XXLS? Thanks
XXLS will do the job with your weight i think...if it is more 9 knots than 16 knots xxl
@@lxt1714 thanks you bro 🤙
Hey du Wingst ja bei uns auf der Donauinsel unterhalb vom Restaurant Toni IG:) cool
Ist näher für mich aber auch deutlich krautiger und böiger als in Kaisermühlen
is that a strapless jump? :)
Yes indeed :)
@@lxt1714 Brooo ! pls make a vid about that. thx
What rear stabilizer was you using great review thanks
I use largest veloce stab, better lift with my weight