Battle of the Kalka River, 1223 AD

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  • @HistoryMarche
    @HistoryMarche  3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

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    • @user-bw4ec4bm2t
      @user-bw4ec4bm2t 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What a coincidence you uploaded this i just heard about the battle lately, nice vid!

    • @Mohammadkwt
      @Mohammadkwt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hello HistoryMarche, I would like to suggest following battles: the sixth crusade, seventh crusader, & liberation of Jerusalem under Salahddin’s command.

    • @user-mb1nz2vw9z
      @user-mb1nz2vw9z 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dear HistoryMarche, if you call yourselves history chanel, then please, use historically accurate names (not Kiev but Kyiw, not Russian principalities, but Kyiwan Rus and other) thank you for understanding

    • @olexandrs6639
      @olexandrs6639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      U confuse RUS' and Russians.
      russians did not existed till 18th century when Peter I The Great created Russian empire which were based on Muscovite Tsardom.

    • @skov1949
      @skov1949 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Could you do more battles with Ghengis Khan? Loved this video!

  • @aaronsales3185
    @aaronsales3185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +470

    Love that the one leader of the Russians who thought they shouldn't attack was killed in battle, but the two that wanted to fight managed to escape. Life is so fair...

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      In total fairness, the Rus didn't want to fight this battle anyway. The justification used was that if the Mongols weren't defeated here, the Cumans would inevitably join them in an anti-Rus alliance.
      Sort of what happened anyway, but the Mongols as we know them wasn't how the Rus knew them.

    • @smith9157
      @smith9157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Very similar case at the battle of Cannae, two consular armies each led by a consul they took turns each other day being in charge of the whole army. One consul wanted to attack the other didn’t. Just waited a day attacked and then escaped while his other consul Lucius died along with majority of his army.

    • @frankmayse9336
      @frankmayse9336 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xotl2780 q

    • @francescoruggiero7140
      @francescoruggiero7140 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same situation at Cannae. Romans vs Carthaginians.

    • @AXharoth
      @AXharoth ปีที่แล้ว +7

      this shit was depressing

  • @nicbahtin4774
    @nicbahtin4774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    Genghis khan: "maybe the real treasure is the kingdoms we destroyed along the way"

    • @jantekjantek
      @jantekjantek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      more like kublaikhan

    • @johnnyboy3410
      @johnnyboy3410 ปีที่แล้ว

      how ? Kublai Khan just conquered China, single kingdom while Genghis made it to fucking Persia

  • @maapata
    @maapata 3 ปีที่แล้ว +149

    Being an envoy is much safer career than being a soldier they told me..

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Maybe not. The Mongols lost a lot of men and horses while they were crossing the caucasus into Europe

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@xotl2780 The envoys had to cross too...

    • @thatWanderingSoul
      @thatWanderingSoul 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Entering a proud sovereign foreign court and making unreasonable demands on behalf of their Khan. Those envoys must have balls of steel 😂😂

    • @EchoVortex713
      @EchoVortex713 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠@@thatWanderingSoulUnreasonable demand? Was there any reasonable demand from other conquerors throughout the history? Mongols highly respected envoys it was in their culture . Killing envoys is barbaric and shows that Russians didn’t know about diplomacy before mongols came . Just look at what happened to Khwarazmia they paid for their crimes Russians should have known better . Also Mongols demanded wasn’t unreasonable they just told Russians to hand over the kypchak Turks who fled away from Mongols .

  • @FirstLast_Nba
    @FirstLast_Nba 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    I've never seen such a clear explanation of this battles history, well done.

    • @trackingthealgorithm221
      @trackingthealgorithm221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Should listen to Dan Carlin’s podcast series wrath of the khans. It’s very good, as is this!

    • @no-hn1pn
      @no-hn1pn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@trackingthealgorithm221 it brought me here.

    • @alphaomarbarry6511
      @alphaomarbarry6511 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This man knows how to explain history good i love his Chanel

  • @googane7755
    @googane7755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    People always think they're wiser with hindsight and wonder why in some battles a general falls for an 'obvious' feigned retreat. This video perfectly encapsulates just how convincing and how easy it is to fall for a well executed feigned retreat actually is. Think about it, the enemy is fleeing before you, you seem to win every engagements with them and they look like they completely lost all cohesion and morale as they scatter in all directions and leave all their valuables behind, victory is within reach and your men seem to get ever more excited to chase them down. Even if you knew despite all this and had the better judgement to stop, you'll get ridiculed for squandering the opportunity and labelled as a coward. It's almost human nature.

    • @13redlion13
      @13redlion13 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      not to mention that it is very easy to control some units on a map. It's a lot different controlling an army of 80000 individuals

  • @gregorjerman973
    @gregorjerman973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Lured them into the Steppes
    Mongols: You have no Power here!!!!!

    • @scintillam_dei
      @scintillam_dei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Mongols in Indonesian islands: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!!!
      Mongols in Vietnamese humid zones: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!!!!
      Mongols in the Pacific Ocean: YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE!!!
      Mongols in the Holy Land: YOU LOST YOUR POWER HERE!!!

    • @DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz
      @DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@scintillam_dei all these lands r far away from Mongols unlike Persia or China
      Europe & other countries u mentioned only one Wave of Mongol Attack
      Where as other kingdom's faced unending wars from Mongols

    • @DailyDipo
      @DailyDipo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Battle advantage +2

    • @scintillam_dei
      @scintillam_dei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DARKKNIGHT-ur7uz Vietnam was invaded by the Mongol Empire 3 times, and beat it every single time. :-)

    • @yajrobot
      @yajrobot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scintillam_dei with pretty large cannons on an elephants lol

  • @umjackd
    @umjackd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +284

    The Georgians were lucky that they were preparing for a Crusade when the Mongols showed up. So there wasn't the usual time needed for mustering and training, they were as ready as they ould be, considering a strange unknown army showed up on their doorstep.
    And still were defeated.

    • @makky6239
      @makky6239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      They were mongols after all, great empires like China and persia were defeated, what little Georgia could have done? At least they resisted some time, and the Mongols gave them a place in the sack of Baghdad Lol

    • @g.sergiusfidenas6650
      @g.sergiusfidenas6650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      That explains why they managed to field such a large army, lucky them I guess all things considered. Not sure why but it reminds me of the story of some Hungarian missionaries that travelled to the lands their people had come from centuries before to preach there, then they returned home and then back again to the steppe lands of the Magyars only to find then devastated by the Mongols, I guess to me both show the terror of being attacked by unknown nigh invincible warriors, no wonder they were called the Scourge of God.

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      The Georgians were fully mobilised for the crusade and had amassed a large number of heavy cavalry. It is speculated that the Georgians could've been the turning point in the fifth crusade as the crusaders waited for Georgian reinforcements that never came. Queen Rasudan would later write to the pope that the georgia was unable to participate as the georgian army was decimated by a mysterious horde.

    • @nomooon
      @nomooon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@makky6239 defeated for different reasons. The Asian armies at that time were weak, and cannot go toe to toe with the Mongolians. The Europeans armies were powerful and would've beaten Mongolians in a direct fight, but the Europeans were not well disciplined and unable to cope with steppe tactics.

    • @qus.9617
      @qus.9617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@nomooon Why do you say Asian armies were weak at that time. Everything I have read suggest a differest story. The scope of warfare and mobilisation of resources in Asia was unprecedented at the time compared to the rest of the world and different theatres of Mongol war.
      As one example the Ly-Song war as an example involved more than a hundred thousand troops. The siege of Xiangyang took 5 years and involved passing a 150-metre moat, 8,000 defenders, 100,000 besiegers, 5,000 navy ships, 100+ trebuchets (mostly anti-personnel rotatable traction trebuchets that could moved around the field easily and rotatable), 20+counterweight trebuchets.
      At the time of the final conquest of all China under the Mongol banner, 70% of the invasion force were han Chinese from northern China and local southern recruitments during the invasion.
      The fortress of Diaoyu was where a Mongol Khan died either from disease or injury. It repulsed 200 Mongol attacks and endured for thirty-six years. Yanzhou was a Song dynasty fortification combining three cities into one fortress. The Song added multiple barbicans, fortified the sections of the fortress, constructed a citadel and then artificially flooded the three cities together. Then then added additional gatehouses, gate forts to guard the remaining land paths.
      The Chinese states were also very capable of altering the landscapes which in itself could easily be some of the greatest fortifications. One of this environmental alteration is the Song Dynasty Water Great Wall. The system was completed in 1 year and was 400 km long with the widest point being 30 km wide. The smallest lake measured approximately 5 km in length and width. The largest measured 55 km in length and 60 km in width. As the Water Great Wall freeze during winter, the Song also built elm tree palisades along the Water Great Wall to hinder or block the movement of Liao cavalry.
      From a report from the Dingzhou Pacification Commissioner to the emperor, the depth of the forests in Dingzhou were in excess of 25 km before logging bans were relaxed.
      The waterways and forests actually complemented one another to strengthen the borders of Song against deadly nomadic invasions. The waterways provided water and nutrients for the forests as well as a hydraulic highway for troop mobilization. And on the other hand during periods of low water depth and winter when the lakes froze over like a frozen highway the forests ensured that the exposed northern capital situated on alluvial plains would have time to prepare against a cavalry invasion.
      During this time, China was experimenting with molten metal bombs, cast-iron bombs, highly flammable bombs, smoke bombs, poison bombs, sticky bombs, fuse trap bombs, fire-arrows, fire-arrow pod launchers, proto-gun flamethrowers, paddleboats etc.
      While engaged in a war with the Mongols, in 1259 the official Li Zengbo wrote... the city of Qingzhou was manufacturing one to *two-thousand* strong iron-cased bomb shells a month, dispatching to Xiangyang and Yingzhou about ten to twenty thousand such bombs at a time.
      Triple-bed crossbows reached it's zenith under the Song dynasty. According to Juvayni, Hulagu Khan brought with him 3,000 giant crossbows from China... and a team of Chinese technicians to work a great 'ox bow' shooting large bolts a distance of 2,500 paces, which was used at the siege of Maymun Diz. According to the Wujing Zongyao, these weapons had a range of 450 meters while other Song sources give ranges of more than double that. Constructing these weapons, especially the casting of the large triggers, and their operation required the highest order of technical expertise available at the time.

  • @LogicalHistorian
    @LogicalHistorian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Battle of Kalka is one of the most talked battle and clearly shows the tactical genius of Subutai.

    • @BudMasta
      @BudMasta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      in the top 5 generals of history.

    • @Orgil.
      @Orgil. ปีที่แล้ว +11

      fun fact Subeedei is not in charge Zurgaadai(JEBE) is the real deal he was teacher and commander of Subeedei

    • @johnnyboy3410
      @johnnyboy3410 ปีที่แล้ว

      No

    • @lemonacidrounds7293
      @lemonacidrounds7293 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but it doesn't make sense. What the Mongols did they could've done it at 10:57 . I didn't see much change in their army later when they won the battle. They are the same size. The positioning of the Russian army was the same the entire time - marching like a train. Part of the army leading, part of the army following, followed by another part followed by another part. Everything was literally the same - there was a narrow space with a river on both fronts. Does retreating gives courage to attack later?

    • @TrollDragomir
      @TrollDragomir ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lemonacidrounds7293 Maybe they considered crossing Kalka as getting to a "safe zone" from which they could more easily retreat east back to the Mongol Empire (note that this was a raid, hit and run tactics and not really an invasion). Another thing is that they may have suspected that the Cuman-Rus army has trouble with cohesion, and counted on them being more disorganized and demoralized after a long, fruitless chase. And maybe the terrain was more favorable there in ways which map doesn't show.

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    All of this is wild knowing that the Mongols were complete strangers to this land, and they were basically just a recon force.

  • @mongol100mongol3
    @mongol100mongol3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Jebe(Zev in Mongolian language) was the overall commander of this campaign. he was higher ranking general than Subutai(Subedei) and he was the one of best general of Chingis khaan if not best. but died during Russian campaign.

  • @adrian-vasilebud4444
    @adrian-vasilebud4444 3 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I finally understood how this battle went, I have read a few times over the years about it, I watched the small K&G part dedicated to her, but only now I understand, thank you History Marche

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito 3 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    *Subutai uses heavy cavalry charge instead of horse archers*
    Koten Khan: Wait, that's illegal.

    • @michaelmanning5379
      @michaelmanning5379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      It's not "illegal" as much as "ill advised" because light cavalry will scatter and draw you out of position. In this case, the Cumans were in a pocket formed by a bend in the river and didn't have the space to evade. Essentially, this is Agincourt in reverse - lightly-armed archers cannot hope to stand against heavy anything without superior mobility or a barrier to protect them.

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Both Mongols and Turks constantly used heavy cavalry, it is just that they are rarely mentioned, despite basically all their battles being won by cavalry charges, not archery by itself

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@michaelmanning5379 Real life is not total war, troop positioning is not nearly as quick and easy as you might think, and heavy cavalry can indeed smash into light cavalry before the light cavalry, in large numbers, has time to reform into retreat and start moving. This happened quite often, for example at Montgisard, Arsuf, and even in the initial stage of this battle, at the beginning of the video. Hell, the Romans managed to do so with infantry, most famously by Publius Ventidius Bassus, and of course, Lucius Lucullus, who actually managed to even outflank a cavalry force with infantry. The reason he managed to do so is what I stated above in the first sentence.

    • @michaelmanning5379
      @michaelmanning5379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@neutralfellow9736 I have never played Total War. I just read history books.

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@michaelmanning5379 Read primary sources as well then, also read military history specifically on troop movement and positioning prior to the 19th century.
      Think about it, from the effective range of a bow, you have maybe 150ish m of distance between your light cavalry formation and the heavy cavalry enemy formation, if the heavy cavalry starts charging at you, you have 12-13m/s movement, meaning you have roughly 10-15 seconds from the time the enemy starts charging, to the moment of impact. The very notion that your front rank will have enough time to tell the ranks behind them to turn around and start fleeing is entirely tied to the fact of your rank positioning at the time. If you are engaged towards the enemy, it is incredibly unlikely that you will have time to tell all the ranks formed behind you to turn around and start fleeing and that the entire formation will be able to re-rout themselves in flight in such a short time frame, and it is quite likely that the heavy cavalry will smash into you. If you are positioned in a manner of sideways engagements, you have a better chance though. However, with massive numbers and large formations in major battles, this is far, far more difficult. This not even going into the notion of horse fatigue and size/speed of different horses, especially compared between Middle Eastern and European larger horses to the smaller and slower Mongolian pony. Now, I am not arguing that this was always the case, merely that things were far, far more complicated than light cav = fast.

  • @arcamean785
    @arcamean785 3 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    I mean they really didn't have a choice, trust the deceivers that offer the olive branch in one hand and a long knife in the other... or die to dehydration.

    • @UnicornstalkRGaming
      @UnicornstalkRGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      th-cam.com/video/F-9R49FyLFQ/w-d-xo.html
      Yes.

    • @samuelmargueret9626
      @samuelmargueret9626 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go look at baz battel king and generals ect you will like them

    • @MrJH101
      @MrJH101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hindsight is always 20/20, but seeing as how their army would get wiped out and the Cumans later joined the Mongols anyway, they should’ve just taken that earlier alliance and avoided all this in the first place; one Rus prince would later do so and it worked out great for him.
      As for how the Mongols treated them towards the end of this particular battle, that was to showcase to everyone as to why one should never kill messengers. Every time one of their envoys gets killed, the Mongols always wanted to set an example for others as to how brutal they would be if diplomatic immunity was no longer respected.

    • @quincy189
      @quincy189 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrJH101 every envoy must be avenged

  • @ComboMuster
    @ComboMuster ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Outstanding presentation. The Subutai and Jebe raid is stuff of the legends. These mongol warlords and their troops were peerless warriors.

  • @MyPra233
    @MyPra233 3 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Khwarazmian Shah: *Executes Mongol envoys*
    Genghis Khan: Here we go again

    • @Mori_Fu
      @Mori_Fu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Mongol General: How many times till you learn your lesson old man

    • @MusicReign
      @MusicReign 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      "So you have chosen death!"

    • @michimatsch5862
      @michimatsch5862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Vae executor: Tokio Drift.

    • @67lionsoflisbon37
      @67lionsoflisbon37 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ye have to give it to the Mongols; they found a hobby and took it seriously.

    • @dustintacohands1107
      @dustintacohands1107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@67lionsoflisbon37 21 century we have nukes 13 century you have mongal horde... not as cost effective but much more through.

  • @syed1431
    @syed1431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Mongols gave a whole new meaning to the word "monster".

    • @Mr.LaughingDuck
      @Mr.LaughingDuck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      and "Diplomatic Immunity"

    • @ivokantarski6220
      @ivokantarski6220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mr.LaughingDuck hahaha

    • @lovsanus1998
      @lovsanus1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Mr.LaughingDuck more like "diplomatic revenge"

    • @Go4Broke247
      @Go4Broke247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Horde

    • @thekhans2823
      @thekhans2823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How ???? A monster doesn't do innumberable good things, a Monster isn't honourable, A monster isn't civilized. A monster isn't like mongols

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great video. I enjoyed it. The battle the Mongols fought are so incredibly interesting to read about.

  • @googane7755
    @googane7755 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I can imagine this was very frustrating for the rus. I see some comments saying that they should've kept in formation and done this and that before the battle, but none of that actually matters if the enemy refuses to give you battle. The only way they could've caught up with the mongols was if they chased as aggressively as they did and subutai exploited that perfectly.

    • @IseekHonestY
      @IseekHonestY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      is easy to play quarterback 1 thousand years later....TH-cam has endless of military tactic geniuses

    • @rednek666
      @rednek666 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They should have stayed behind the Dniepro river and never chase anyone in the first place, it`s a great defensive postition especially against cavalry.

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@rednek666 That's where the problem lied, they needed a battle because it was a coalition and no one knew if they could come together the next time the mongols invaded. Also many of the men needed to return home to their farms to harvest and were very anxious to get the campaign over with, they could not just sit around.

  • @rogersledz6793
    @rogersledz6793 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!

  • @ciuyr2510
    @ciuyr2510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you historymarche & hoc est bellum.
    tied up under heavy logs, feeling every boot celebrating on top. Brutal.

  • @RuiF1990
    @RuiF1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very good video, been folowing your channel for a while and every video is well made, im a big fan of your work!

  • @Dokja0
    @Dokja0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Only got the time to watch this now. Thanks for the hard work..

  • @socratrash
    @socratrash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well done. Fantastic work.

  • @murtd3268
    @murtd3268 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The best as always. Thank you

  • @xotl2780
    @xotl2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Fun little trivia facts:
    1. That "small garrison" Genghis Khan left in China was under the command of the great general Muqali, who with limited resources nearly conquered all of the Chin territory completely in the Khans absence. He was never defeated in battle, and his loyalty to the Khan was legendary.
    2. There's a decent chance thatJebe (pronounced Zev) Noyan was the "Mongol commander" killed in the vanguard before the battle, leaving Subudai in charge. This if nothing else would explain why Jebe was never seen alive again after this campaign.
    3. Most historians who research this battle could pretty well guarantee you that the coalition army, though large, would not have even approached 80,000 soldiers. Not in this region, and not in the time frame given.
    4. RUS! Not Russian!

    • @luohaoyu2632
      @luohaoyu2632 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      fun fact, "chin" is proto-manchurian

    • @rugeekpay8210
      @rugeekpay8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As a Russian, it always irritated me that people tend to see no difference between Rus and Russians...

    • @WatcherSCP
      @WatcherSCP ปีที่แล้ว +6

      4 "Russian" is an English word that was used to call both the inhabitants of the Rus-Kingdom and residents of modern Russia. So it's correct. The word Russian itself comes from Rus. Only the blind do not see it. And in English there is no such word as "Rus" with the meaning "inhabitants of the country Rus." Look into an English explanatory dictionary sometime.

    • @tingleblade4274
      @tingleblade4274 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Russians is Rus people from Rus kingdoms. Then almost all Rus lands entered Russia. I don't see a problem in this generalization, because people's speech is never 100% accurate and a moderate stereotype is always needed.

    • @Tomoesong
      @Tomoesong ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@rugeekpay8210 So Russians call their beginning of history from Rurik. Then if Rus were not Russians then who were they? When Russian history began then if Rus is not Russian? It's like chinese calling themselves Mingese, Yanese, Songese etc. However their dynasty's name change it was still chinese. Russians refuse to call Rus were not Russians, is so confusing.

  • @Temuun_846
    @Temuun_846 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank u so much, i love ur channel.♥️♥️
    Greeting from Mongolia 🔥

  • @JRLopez12
    @JRLopez12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for these videos. I play many 4x games such as the Total War series & Sid Meier's Civilization series. This visualizes history in such a way that I feel like I'm watching Twitch for History =D

  • @thecrusaderhistorian9820
    @thecrusaderhistorian9820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wonderful video! I enjoyed it!

  • @aslant1108
    @aslant1108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The best historical channel. Thank you. Mongols were strong and clever.

  • @cook658
    @cook658 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Magnificent! Keep up the good work!

  • @alorikkoln
    @alorikkoln 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Thanks for the good work.

  • @lampshade5449
    @lampshade5449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video 👍
    Thank you for your efforts.

  • @evrensaygn1017
    @evrensaygn1017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Mongols were so deceptive its no surprise nobody believed their envoys and killed their ambassadors immediately.

    • @SchwarzeSun
      @SchwarzeSun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      no honor pretty much like ISIS in modern day

    • @thekhans2823
      @thekhans2823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SchwarzeSun , Are you reffering to the mongols ??

    • @vladimirthegreen6097
      @vladimirthegreen6097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thekhans2823 Yes and I agree

  • @carterschell9518
    @carterschell9518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love you guys so much you make great content!

  • @obscuraterror1891
    @obscuraterror1891 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Always perfect!!!

  • @sadiqchowdhury4132
    @sadiqchowdhury4132 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    History Marche >> Kings and General

  • @patrickleonard4187
    @patrickleonard4187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I have heard many historians postulate that the commander killed by mistislavich was actually the great Jebe the Arrow himself. He dies in this campaign but no one really knows how, in true mongolian fashion.

    • @patrickleonard4187
      @patrickleonard4187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In keeping with seeming Mongol tradition, nobody knows for sure. They didnt call their own history The Secret History for nothing. We know a commander was captured and executed, and no mention of Jebe being alive is made past that. Almost no one ever records their military mistakes and losses truthfully. It's just bad for legitimacy. But again, no one knows for sure.

    • @kevinkertarahardja1836
      @kevinkertarahardja1836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@patrickleonard4187 well they are not the biggest fan of writing things. even their greatest general achievement only unveiled like 500 years later

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean they were steppe nomads, nobody has time to write down their history much less read. It's funny to me though that almost all the written history comes from the people they conquered and later from khans who commissioned their subordinates to write shit down for them. They were busy making history rather than writing it.

  • @kingofeast3125
    @kingofeast3125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everytime I come to a HistoryMarche video I get a snack cause I know it will be very entertaining, please more ancient and medieval videos!

  • @MrBoodyx
    @MrBoodyx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just getting ready to eay, it's like you made this video for me. Thanks Marche!

  • @Paris-xv9sj
    @Paris-xv9sj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just love this video!

  • @fitnetwork7350
    @fitnetwork7350 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for making our quarantine great 🥰

  • @shawnbeckett1370
    @shawnbeckett1370 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome as always

  • @53yearsago56
    @53yearsago56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video . I love your job.

  • @rnedlo9909
    @rnedlo9909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    lesson one in war: DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY!!

    • @xabtthenomadic8956
      @xabtthenomadic8956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lesson two in war : do not overextend

    • @georgiancountryball202
      @georgiancountryball202 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lesson three: do not pursue a hardly retreating enemy go and fortify so they won’t come back

  • @KHK001
    @KHK001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing! Another collab video with HEB love both your content

    • @HistoryMarche
      @HistoryMarche  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks so much! Always great to see you KHK

  • @chrisvarsamidis5533
    @chrisvarsamidis5533 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am a new subscriber and I love your videos
    Keep the excellent work

  • @muhammadshemede5874
    @muhammadshemede5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy such get a history show, he amazing at explaining things🔥🔥🔥🙌

  • @ahzam2862
    @ahzam2862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    'destruction by mongols', one of the few things that unite the world.

  • @HistoricalWeapons
    @HistoricalWeapons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Life lesson: don't kill Mongol Envoys 10:03

    • @Dnahwjjwjejnenex
      @Dnahwjjwjejnenex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      glad to see u here manchu archer

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Unless you're the Mamelukes.

    • @TheGodTell
      @TheGodTell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *laughs in Majapahit*

    • @regizeelement8511
      @regizeelement8511 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barbiquearea Mongols lost because of unfamiliarity with desert climate

    • @owannn
      @owannn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@regizeelement8511 lol ain jalut is not desert . the word ayn itself means spring

  • @AJ-et3vf
    @AJ-et3vf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video! Thank you!

  • @rasulpourjafar2080
    @rasulpourjafar2080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really enjoyed this video 👍

  • @mukisatimothy7508
    @mukisatimothy7508 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Nice history

  • @jkool3366
    @jkool3366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Keep 'em coming

  • @lolcakesmith7321
    @lolcakesmith7321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your videos!!!

  • @trackingthealgorithm221
    @trackingthealgorithm221 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work!

  • @nicbahtin4774
    @nicbahtin4774 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    5:23 main Mongol army ? then those 10 stacks of doom that spawn on the eastern map of MED2 total war are just what ? a scouting force ?

    • @GarkKahn
      @GarkKahn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It always has been

    • @Naturmacht
      @Naturmacht 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I hated that Event (in a good way). You knew it would come, but could do nothing against it. Just hope they would march in the other direction...

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mongols armies were never really that large and they instead they relied on the quality of their commanders. Obviously the game has to balance this somehow by just spawning doom stacks

    • @quincy189
      @quincy189 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah it was a scouting force of 20,000 to chase and kill the sultan (king) of the fleeing Khwarazmian Empire. He got away and dead somewhere in eastern europe the mongols never found him but then the 20,000 scouting forces decide to raid and pillage the local area lolol they had to battle battle over 400,000 soldiers with just their 20,000. Obviously not all at once but each army they have encountered since raiding the country of gerogia they had been out numbered from 2 to 1 or 3 to 1. Meaning their army of 20,000 had to fight 40,000 each battles and when they had to fight the rus kingdom they were like out numbered 5 to 1 when their combined forces. A scouting crew of 20,000 not even made for an intention of invasion managed to kill over 20 times from their original 20,000 troops they had... Plus they killed over hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Estimating during this trip they killed over 2 million people with just 20k troops and about 200k-400k of those were enemy soldiers... Mongol army still made it out of eastern europe alive and regrouped with the main force with genghis khan....

  • @someidiotwithnoname
    @someidiotwithnoname 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Funny thing is that the Tumens, mongol armies of 10.000 strong, were a cavalry force (even today there are around 50 horses for each citizen of Mongolia) and infantry the Mongols used were primarily from vassal kingdoms or prisoners, Kharash, and they didn't count those as casualties. This is one of the reasons of a huge discrepency on casualty accounts between Eastern and Western sources.
    West - We killed 20 000 mongols.
    East - Khmm, 20 000 disposable slaves.

    • @sodinc
      @sodinc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There was similar thing with european casualties when they counted knights only.

    • @ivokantarski6220
      @ivokantarski6220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Marcus-Aerilius Maximus the Romans ofcourse used the more untrained troops in front to waste the enemy energy and when needed the pros would move in front to do the job.

    • @lovsanus1998
      @lovsanus1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah U think they would outrun armies while having infantry?? Try again

    • @someidiotwithnoname
      @someidiotwithnoname 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Marcus-Aerilius Maximus Nope. Mongols were horseback nomads. They sometimes fought on foot when they needed to dismount but a mongol Tumen was exclusively a cavalry force organised in a decimal system, similar to Roman legions. Aravt, a unit of 10, was made optimally by 6 horse archers and 4 lancers. 10 avrt made a zuut, 10 zuut made a mingghan and 10 mingghan a tumen.
      Since they were nomdas Tumen moved as a horde with entire heards in follow, each mongol warrior had up to 4 spare horses, and they had a camp following of fletchers, armorsmiths etc. etc. all on horseback and carts. This is why there were so fast moving through enemy terrain. Infantry can't catch a cavarlry force as Romans learned fighting Phartians and Sassaninds, cities were a different thing.
      Infantry in mongol armies was not mongol but they came as tribute from conquered tribes and kingdoms, those who refused or rebeled well Genghis killed their entire tribes or populations of cities so few attempted that. Think of them as auxila but with far less value.

  • @aadil7302
    @aadil7302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always a fan of your vedios .Thank you.

  • @miklosszanyi620
    @miklosszanyi620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ahhhhh yess! There's nothing better than ending the day with a HistoryMarche video! Great work guys, I love it!

  • @AncientHistoryGuy
    @AncientHistoryGuy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    New history marche vid. Must drop everything I'm doing to watch this now.

  • @mohammady.altamimi7114
    @mohammady.altamimi7114 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thanks for the great work!
    This was one of the decisive clashes that shaped the future of many peoples.. I think that this channel mentioned in its (Ain Jalut) video that Baibars (the Mamluke) originated back to one of those Turkic tribes; that lived in the area, and possibly his life was affected by these events.
    Also if I am not mistaken: Qutuz was also a member of the Khwarizmian ruling dynasty, who was ensalved and sold after the empire has fallen.. Both of Qutuz and Baibars became the scourge of the scourge at Ain Jalut..

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Baibars was born on the kipchak steppe, but he wouldn't remember much other than being sold into slavery by the Bulgars during his parents flight from the Mongol invaders.

    • @mohammady.altamimi7114
      @mohammady.altamimi7114 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xotl2780 Thanks for the hint!

  • @sergeynechiporenko210
    @sergeynechiporenko210 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful. A few details for deeper context: 1. The prudent/reluctant Kyiv prince was the oldest of all, aged 56, compared to the boldest Halycian aged just 32, this may explain his hesitancy. 2. Cumans were important to Mongols because they were the favorite troops of the Khwaresmian sultan and had fought them there. 3. Mongols did not promise mercy themselves - instead, they avoided being dishonest by having local "Russian" people ("brodniks") approach the defendants and make those promises.

  • @raashidmohammed801
    @raashidmohammed801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing video !
    Video idea: can you do a video on Tamerlane or timur please

  • @anuragvaishampayan4477
    @anuragvaishampayan4477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️ No one will able to defeat you HistoryMarche. You are best 💖💖💖💖
    A request for you Please make a series on Delhi Sultanate 🙏

  • @bssc776
    @bssc776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Yesterday's Kipchaks, today's Cumans... Definitely an improvement.

  • @philipryan25
    @philipryan25 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you

  • @yawn1887
    @yawn1887 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yesssssss! Historymarche.

  • @TheGodTell
    @TheGodTell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "Remind yourself, that overconfidence is a slow and indisious killer."

    • @Reignor99
      @Reignor99 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Darkest Dungeon?

    • @TheGodTell
      @TheGodTell 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Reignor99 yes!

  • @recklessroges
    @recklessroges 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Our friend Hoc Est Bellum", I'm aware of their work, (and it is also good.)

  • @1shallperish
    @1shallperish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    love your videos

  • @RealAlexMoreton
    @RealAlexMoreton 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it! MORE MORE MORE 🤘🏼👍🏻

  • @CaptKomy
    @CaptKomy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    Oh yes, Mistislav Mistislavich, has to be the Russian version of John Johnson

    • @F22onblockland
      @F22onblockland 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      a certified slavic classic, like Ivan Ivanovich

    • @DarkSideChess
      @DarkSideChess 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Mstislav is a rare name now...

    • @GenghisKal
      @GenghisKal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I heard it as “Mr Slav” in the video XD

    • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
      @terraflow__bryanburdo4547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@F22onblockland Or Gorby Gorbachev

    • @kotemura9090
      @kotemura9090 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GenghisKal Its normal. For idiot.

  • @cheriefsadeksadek2108
    @cheriefsadeksadek2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Keep it up Abselutely Amazing Hope New Hannibal video is coming soon

  • @dontbemad8894
    @dontbemad8894 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your channel is epic. Love it

  • @andreasleonardo6793
    @andreasleonardo6793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too nice history's video showing with clear explaining of events and situations before and after invading of lands and horrible destiny of populations

  • @cook658
    @cook658 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Had I only had this kind of beautifully made documentaries when I went to school...Just a miserably written s...ty book. Thank you, HistoryMarche!

  • @alexanderbertisch6328
    @alexanderbertisch6328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Who is he? His voice is incredible. I know him from Wild Ciencias

  • @LookHereMars
    @LookHereMars 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👌 Fantastic as always HM.

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Everyone in medieval Rus: let's name our babies Mstislav.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    In before the envoy murders.

    • @appleslover
      @appleslover 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Loser nippie!

    • @xotl2780
      @xotl2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you had the displeasure of meeting a Mongol envoy you'd almost certainly want to kill them.

  • @shahsaud2625
    @shahsaud2625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    if you hate your job ...then just think about the Mongol envoys 🤣

    • @HistoryMarche
      @HistoryMarche  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Haha! Well said!

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Im starting to think a reason why only mongols emissaries were killed, maybe they were provocative, we don’t hear often of emissaries/diplomats being slayed. The mongol ones should have acted badly

    • @remhk6672
      @remhk6672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not that bad being a mongol envoy! You could have year long vacations in distant foreign lands as in the case of mongol envoy/spy, Zhou Daguan from the yuan dynasty of China under the rule of kublai khan. He stayed at the khmer empire for a year and even had time to composed a journal about his exotic encounters with khmer women and the society as a whole.

    • @Mr.Gervasi
      @Mr.Gervasi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 they come and spoke - that you are our slaves now given us by Tengri

    • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014
      @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mr.Gervasi really? Oh, i think then the emissary is a suicide jod cause what King will not kill people telling them that? Especially in Ancient Times. Would the mongol khans accept the same way such insults? Id think so

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy0505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video

  • @snoozyweatherboy
    @snoozyweatherboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the intro gave me goosebumps

  • @saudkm7698
    @saudkm7698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The Mongols only favor IMO, is that they annihilated the Assassins (Hashashin).

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They also connected the East with the West.

  • @trentondamm194
    @trentondamm194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I came!
    I saw!
    I liked!
    (great video)

    • @HistoryMarche
      @HistoryMarche  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for coming

    • @trentondamm194
      @trentondamm194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HistoryMarcheIts hard not to. lol
      When will u guys do the battle of Zab

    • @trentondamm194
      @trentondamm194 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HistoryMarche can u guys pls do a battle about the Normans attacking the Byzantine Empire or when Julian invades the Sassanid Empire

    • @Cheeseman42046
      @Cheeseman42046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      C A M E

  • @shahmeeraslam3647
    @shahmeeraslam3647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love 💕 historymarche contents God give you 10 million subscribers

  • @LichsuhoathinhDrabattle
    @LichsuhoathinhDrabattle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This Channel is an oasis in the desert of TH-cam content for history lovers💥💥🎞

  • @abdullahalrasheed394
    @abdullahalrasheed394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That stupid act of the Khawarezmian Sultan is to me one of the most stupid but influential acts of all time.

    • @sodinc
      @sodinc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      at the same level as a trigger of WW1

    • @phanhuyduc2395
      @phanhuyduc2395 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can't blame him. Mongol at that time is an unknown force to the world, they attacked the Jin in North China which very far away from the Khawarezmian, thats it

    • @abdullahalrasheed394
      @abdullahalrasheed394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@phanhuyduc2395 That's a fair point, but what benefit was he going to get by murdering random envoys anyway? It was a reckless move to say the least.

  • @lampshade5449
    @lampshade5449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Read “Yassa” the Mongol’s law of that time.
    And you’ll understand why they were so effective in battlefield.

  • @Bigman89Gaming
    @Bigman89Gaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it would be awesome if your channel did a series on Charlemagne. How he built his empire, the battles, his sons' inheritances, and what became of it. He is an ancestor of mine had I've always been fascinated with his history. I haven't seen anyone do these kind of videos on his battles and history.

  • @yevgeni9148
    @yevgeni9148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun & informative. ... Bol'shoe spasibo ! :-)

  • @brainflash1
    @brainflash1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    "Beware the Kara-Khitai, for they are without honor."

    • @dawoodfaqier9762
      @dawoodfaqier9762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wasn’t that Age of Empires?

    • @kubal103
      @kubal103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dawoodfaqier9762 exactly :D

    • @SU-vy8nb
      @SU-vy8nb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That's rich, coming from the mongols who use deception in every way possible.

    • @dawoodfaqier9762
      @dawoodfaqier9762 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SU-vy8nb That was their moral code bro. Can’t blame them for that.

    • @SU-vy8nb
      @SU-vy8nb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dawoodfaqier9762 id say its more of a cultural trait where you use any advantage you have against your enemies. unlike the west where once an army is beaten nations would stick to a treaty until the next phase of conflict which might take decades.

  • @Danny-mg1hu
    @Danny-mg1hu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    dude, please do a MONGOL series. would love to see how you guys cover it. also please finish Hannibal/Rome series.

    • @snowpirate0pandhu
      @snowpirate0pandhu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The third punic war?

    • @aleksapetrovic6519
      @aleksapetrovic6519 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They kinda did it:
      1. Kalka
      2. Mohi
      3. Ald Jhuntan
      4. Kulikovo
      Sure they didn'y make it in order, but they are slowly, but surly forming it in comprenhansive series.

    • @Danny-mg1hu
      @Danny-mg1hu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aleksapetrovic6519 there are more, especially against the Muslims, Chinese, and Japan. Even against each other with Temir.

  • @Scoob505
    @Scoob505 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Battle of Culloden or The Battle of Clontarf would be much appreciated friends, love your content.

  • @stellarmace4448
    @stellarmace4448 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That just blows my mind

  • @wolf8905
    @wolf8905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great job bro..
    Thx for arbic sub....
    I think mongol had a good luck..just

    • @Billyjantsansambuu069
      @Billyjantsansambuu069 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Baghdad Khalifa was sentenced to death with Mongol's good luck. When Mongols arrived in Middle east arabs did not have power to resist them. Arabs should be thankful for Kurdish and Crusaders. Coz they bonded and stole 20k horse from Mongol army before they had a battle. Even Mongols conquered the Middle east, they developed the area much better. So keep your nasty words with you man. Bcoz your ancestors used to say that Mongols are The God's punishment.

    • @wolf8905
      @wolf8905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Billyjantsansambuu069 the cowerd crusder and mongol defetd by arab muslim armys i think u r just have angry becaus that my son

    • @wolf8905
      @wolf8905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Billyjantsansambuu069 yes god punshet becaus khalifa was weak and love bitches and music but the army was 10k protect bagdad wall
      Before 1 years was 100k soldier but son of the bitch ibn al alkami was minstier in bagdad he did that treetor

  • @day2148
    @day2148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Kings&Generals had a way more balanced account of this battle -- that there was a good likelihood the initial retreat of the Mongols was real, and Jebe had been killed during that phase of battle. Since we know Jebe never returned from this campaign, and Subutai commanded the Mongols during this battle even though Jebe was the senior of the two commanders (and should have been in charge).

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @abis8 alpha8 The Russian chronicles states that a mongol commander was found hiding in the ground and he was recognised by the cumans in particular and executed. This is thought to be Jebe by some historians and that the mongols were actually retreating for those 9 days. Jebe is never mentioned again in mongol sources so this theory has it's merits.

  • @juanpablo6307
    @juanpablo6307 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    so epic.... i wanna cry

  • @michaelculyer4721
    @michaelculyer4721 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big fan of the Wilhelm scream that are often in these videos. Big fan.