FV215, FV4005, FV214 Conqueror, FV221 Caernarvon, A41 Centurion - Development of Post WW2 Tanks
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video, we are discussing the development of the FV215, FV4005 heavy anti-tank projects, as well as FV214 Conqueror, FV221 Caernarvon, and the A41 Centurion. Looking at the background, requirements, and people involved as well as the vehicles in service at the time.
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Topics:
0:00 - Introduction
0:56 - IS3 Soviet Heavy Tank
1:27 - A34 Comet (In the Finnish service)
1:52 - M103 American Heavy Tank
2:13 - FV214 Conqueror - British Heavy Tank
2:34 - A45 Universal Tank -British Capital Tank
2:57 - Churchill Mk 1 - British Infantry Tank
3:21 - A41 Centurion - Heavy Cruiser Tank
4:19 - FV201 AVRE - Wooden Mockup
4:48 - Centurion Mk 5/3 - 20pdr Type B barrel
5:11 - M41 Walker Bulldog - 76mm Light Tank
5:36 - M47 Patton - 90mm Medium Tank
5:58 - M103 Prototype - 120mm Heavy Tank
6:25 - FV221 Caernarvon - 20pdr Medium Gun Tank
6:46 - FV221 / FV214 - With Windsor Turret
7:12 - FV214 - Wooden Concept Turret
7:38 - FV214 - Turret Construction
8:07 - FV4004 Conway - 120mm Heavy Gun Tank
8:41 - FV221 Caernarvon - 20pdr Medium Gun Tank
9:35 - FV4010 - Concept Test Rig
10:03 - Malkara Missile - ATGM HESH
10:24 - Blacker Bombard - HESH 1941
10:41 - Project Minotaur - 180mm Tank Concept
11:28 - FV4005 Stage II - 183mm Heavy Anti-Tank
11:58 - FV215 - Wooden Concept Model II
12:23 - FV215 - Wooden Concept Model I
12:55 - FV215 - Full-Size Wooden Mockup
13:20 - BL 7.2-inch Howitzer - Heavy Field Gun
13:50 - FV215 Model I - Showing Rear Doors
14:41 - FV215 Mockup - Showing Engine Access
15:04 - FV215 Stage I - Concentric Recuperator
15:34 - FV215 Stage I - Showing Magazine Rack
16:00 - FV214 Mantlet - After 183mm Strike
16:19 - FV214 Range Target - Showing Strike and Spalling
16:59 - FV215 Stage I - Showing Drum Magazine
17:50 - FV4005 Stage II - 183mm Heavy Anti-Tank
Sources:
Bovington Tank Museum - Archives
Visual Inspection by Ed Francis (Armoured Archives team)
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@Geoffrey Gizzard exactly what I was about to say!
Ed, I absolutely love the kind-of sort-of a little subtle "contrary to popular computer games" comments. As a player, I appreciate learning the facts versus what gets jammed into game play. Would be an interesting comparison exercise, since we know that many of vehicles, in games, are paper designs, at best, and complete farces, at worst.
A good baseline is "If WoT says something, it's probably inaccurate."
@@Retrosicotte and if wot adds a tank, it's either blueprint only, or completely made up at this point
this channel is pure gold.
Take a shot every time Ed says FV lol.
I will update you all on my condition in the hospital of liver failure
Tea only! And get well. ✌️
Hope you're well rn
the first shot missed and buckled the hull, the second ripped the turret clean off. wow.
you're just enabling my AFV addiction - keep it up ;)
Even better and more thorough than I expected. Very much appreciated, thank you!
Awesome, another great video. Thanks Ed.
Glad you enjoyed it buddy!
A gem Sir. Great research video. Thank you!
Thanks for letting us know, well done!!
Another interesting video Ed.
Well done!👍
This was so well done, thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant commentary and photos, thank you so much! I don't know if it rates much of a video - was a prototype even made? - but I would be interested in knowing a bit more about SP4.
a full size wooden mockup was made of SP4, but apart from blueprints and a few photos pf the hatch she remians very little left
Curiously, Conqueror may have been the most capable machine of all those at the time. Until Centurions acquired L7, T-54 variants were much superior.
Great photos
It's sad to hear that the P1 Centurion was absolutely demolished :(
it was indeed, 183mm shots
Thank You
Wow so much informatin, going to take a few repeats to sink in...
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting how these more obscure designs have only really come to our consciousness through games such as WoT and War Thunder. I remember seeing them in publications such as the MAFVA's monthly magazine, Bellona and the old Profile series. They were strange - a product of the post Imperial, perhaps slightly mad minds of the British military establishment, facing a threat the old Empire could barely understand. I have watched or am watching your videos, one by one and I am unexpectedly learning a lot. My knowledge of British tanks is quite deep having written some tank vs tank wargaming software called Firestrike that was never released. A lot of in depth research was undertaken but my knowledge does not match yours. You must live close to Bovington I assume? If I did, I would be there on a daily pass.
I volunteererd in the archives for 5 years unitl last summer :)
Gave you a couple of links in my latest FV4005 video - publishing today
Brilliant
ty :)
the vickers medium mk i/ii is also nice any chance for a video on that, please?
Sounds good, added to our pipeline!
I can't seem to find the track Pitch (pin to pin), on the Conqueror. I've got the width, which is published everywhere. Can you help?
According to Tank Encyclopedia, only the turret of the FV4005 Stage II remains. The turret is currently mated with a spare Centurion hull The Tank Museum had. The original hull was modified with a recoil spade which could be lowered by a hand-cranked winch.
Very interesting view of an ill covered era. I love the need for external bracing on the turret armour, I suspect that raised comments. Likely not kind ones. With reference to the 'certain online game' could you clarify the FV215 designations a little more? I believed the photo with the extra hull hatch shows the FV215 turret on a partial hull of the proposed AVRE design. This would be used by the demolitions operator in lieu of the Churchill's pannier doors as with the Centurion operator.
You mentioned the FV4005 was called Centaur. Was that its official name if it was accepted for service?
The FV215 which I play in WOT looks like an SPG than a TD but the Death star does what it does.
It wasn't a TD ever. It's a heavy tank, despite what video games say
I know this is not tank related but I never came across any info about the homeguard Blacker bombard having hesh rounds. When you talked about hesh, a picture of one was shown.
ahh that was after correspondence with David Lister who is an expert on Blacker's work. He is assured of it and has pictures and data to back it up for his next book
Great discussion - thank you!! Very much liked the photo of the old guy with the goat/sheep about half-way. I take it you weren't trying to make a point about the people/events you were talking about at that point . . . ??
Just some 'local colour' to illustrate the tank trials in Libya!
Vickers Elswick - the 'W' is silent. Ellzik is the correct (local) pronunciation.
Cracking stuff other wise.
RTH former member of 203 (Elswick) Battery 101 (Northumbrian) Rgt RA (V)
holy jeebus thats a lot of chapter, good video tho
Why skip over 155mm to go directly to 180mm? It seems like a 155mm HESH round would have been quite effective and such a vehicle could have doubled as heavy artillery support. Kind of like an updated WW2 Russian assault gun. If mounted to Centurion hulls such a vehicle could have provided integrated Fire support to gun tank units.
Hello,
Please can you cover Valentine and Churchil AVRE
i certainly can, they are on my list to do :)
Man some of those turrets are like someone had something left over from a navy contract and decided to slap it on a tank, they are so oversized compared to their hulls.
Do we know if theres any test footage of it firing?
Yep there is sadly its on old reel film at bovvy and has not been transfered to digital yet
@@armouredarchives8867 damn 😞
also what is the FV205 tank
one of the many proposals for the fv200 family line for a medium sp gun using the same basic hull :)
6:07 oh how the oliphant proves that wrong
As a TD the idea is beyond questionable but I wonder if the 215 with a bit of refinement would have made a good SPG similar to the US made M109
1. Too heavy
2. Why would you put so much armour on a SPG, at the expense of mobility?
The armor is for splinter protection or small arms fire, not taking hits from peer opponents. As for weight, questionable. Development can see space needed shrink as well as weight if it were deemed worth the expenditure. Finally, look at the weight of this thing compared to a PzH 2000 or M109A6 Paladin. Had the NATO force decided on allowing different artillery calibers this may have had a future doing such but shoot and scoot sending 183mm hi ex love is the only realistic role I see.
FV4005 aka 'Deathstar' in WoT.
No, that would be the FV-215B. FV4005 is colloquially known as the 'Sh*tbarn'
'certain online games' aka world of tanks😂
Made me laugh as well 😂
Some people might say that, but I couldn't possibly comment ... 😉
The IS-3 turned out to not be the boogieman western intelligence believed it was. Reports of 230mm. of armour omitted to point out that this was on the gun mantlet only.
The IS-3 armour layout was actually:
Mantlet = 230mm.
Turret = 200mm. all round.
Hull front = 120mm.
Hull sides & rear = 60mm.
Deck & Floor = 30mm.
It wasn't until the late 1980's / early 1990's that it was discovered that two IS-3 tanks were destroyed during the Battle of Vienna Bridge in 1945, one by a Panther G scoring a point blank hit on the upper hull side of a parked IS-3 and a second IS-3 being burnt out follow two Panzerfaust side hits, during street fighting to capture the bridge. The account of the battle is in the book, Tank Action, by Colonel George Forty, former curator of the Bovington Tank Museum and my boss when I worked there during 1986 to 1987.
Oh I’m well aware of this, it was a fixation they had despite more sensible voices telling them the threat lay with the newer T series. As for IS3s in Vienna this remains somewhat controversial as to date no evidence has ever emerged from it, no photos, no battle reports nothing, not in Russia or Germany. it’s a shame we can’t asK G.F where the information came from originally.
Hmmm..... A British KV1, Interesting , no ?
Do you have more information about the Minotaur? I saw this project in a blog before, but the description seems to be different from the one in the video.This is blog:overlord-wot.blogspot.com/2016/09/at-heart-of-labyrinth.html
theres nnot a great deal more as many of the pages were missing from the original files as well as nearly all the technical drawings, a few scraps and the mockup in this vid, the blog above is quite outdated now. over the pages left minotur changes her layout quite a few times until we get to the thign in this video
@@armouredarchives8867 Thanks for your answers
Derp! Derp!
Hahahahahhahah yeah....wargaming and gaijin sure don't get some things right.
Wargaming and Gaijin sure don't get *most* things right.
@@ThePhoenix198 tbf if the games were realistic and accurate they wouldn't be very fun