I'm only halfway through the video but I am an auto mechanic. If the shop set off his ABS indicator then the shop is responsible for resetting it. They literally caused the problem. They are blaming it on the car being old. Well they're also choosing to work on old cars so they bear some responsibility also. Its not as if while inspecting one problem they discovered another. They caused the fault. Once again as a mechanic myself more than likely what happened is they damaged the wheel sensor when replacing the brakes and wheel cylinders. And they're trying to get the customer to pay for it. The shop is a bunch of crooks.
Yeah, I am absolutely stunned that the shop let the plaintiff drive away with a soft brake pedal and that they'll 'firm up with driving'. Wowsers, that is criminal. Shop is lucky there wasn't a serious injury in that accident and the lawsuits started flying for negligence. If I was the plaintiff's family I wouldn't go near the shop ever again.
The soft pedal should indicate though that the brake bleeding done when the back brakes were done caused the master cylinder to burp air into the line which caused the failure of the brakes and the soft pedal
@@marleonetti7I absolutely agree I've run into this situation in the ABS light was involved and it all had to do with the bleeding of the brakes properly
Love watching blue shirt guy in the back row to the right of the plaintiff react to his testimony. He must know about brakes based on his nods and shakes of the head.
I’ve never had a brake job where the brakes were “soft” after being changed and properly bleed. They are “soft” because there is air in the lines. Also ABS ( Anti-Brake Skid) is a device that automatically “pumps” the brakes to avoid skiding under a hard braking. Some mechanic did a bad brake job.
I agree with everything you mentioned and I would go as far to say if the brake pedal was soft during the GO/NO-GO test, maybe that is why the technician got a ABS fault. Some cars have a idiot-brake-light that will come-on if the pressure in the brake line is low during a braking menurver.
The problem is they got air in the system from improper bleeding. Defendant is 100% liable. Plaintiff"s only problem was he didn't get another reputable shop to confirm this for court purposes.
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
The defendants are liars, there is no connection at all between bleeding the brakes and a wheel speed sensor failing. The repair explanation coupled with the soft brake pedal tells me that they negligently got air into the ABS module and they were unable to purge it out.
the plaintiff said the brake pedal felt soft and when he applied it, it went to the floor. I would have thought that meant either air in the system or not enough fluid.
Exactly, or they didn't pump the brakes, either would have caused exactly what that guy described and it could have been worse. The plaintiff has no auto repair knowledge and apparently neither does JM, but the defense knew exactly what happened and blamed it on the abs sensor which would not have caused his brakes to lose pressure. The comment the guy made about his brakes being squishy and the mechanic telling him that the brakes would become harder over time is actually a true statement but no mechanic should ever give a car back to someone without the brakes being pumped, it's almost like he set the guy to cause an accident, while the guy has a douche bag attitude, there's no reason for doing that to someone.
The ABS system in my van went out and I drove it for 2 to 3 years or more. Never had any problems with the brakes at all thank goodness. I do remember having to pump my brakes at times but otherwise it was fine. Thank you guys for explaining the way y'all have.
Air in the system is what it sounds like to me too. The only reason the red brake light would have come on is due to either low pressure of the parking brake was on. And I think it's a pretty safe bet the parking brake wasn't on.
I had my abs take a dump after brake replacement so it can happen since older cars the abs system was different back then now for this kid to say brakes were soft went to floor and the lock up? No way. If you brakes go to floor they are not going lock up.
An ABS sensor has nothing to do with a soft / spongy brake pedal. The brake system fluids were not bled of air properly after the rear brake work that was performed at the repair shop and that that is what caused the accident. The judge got this one wrong!
If the ABS system does not function, the brakes will still operate. You can still drive a vehicle without ABS. If the pedal was soft and also went to the floor. Brake fluid could have been leaking out. Or air in the system.
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
A lot of garages will make you sign a release if they find something that makes the vehicle unsafe, and you refuse to repair. That bit about brakes being soft after a brake job, and they'll stiffen up over time is ridiculous. The exact opposite happens.
You've obviously never changed brakes or brake fluids have you? Brakes do in fact lose pressure after they've been worked on and the pressure must be built up again, what the guy is describing is brakes that had no hydraulic pressure and if they gave him that truck back without rebuilding pressure or pumping the brakes, it would sure cause an accident or even kill someone. I was in a Sears a few years ago getting my car serviced and they badly damaged someone's truck by not pumping the brakes, saw it myself, the guy only realized what he'd done a after and you could see him pumping the brakes trying to regain control an abs sensor will not cause brakes to stop working.
@@peryole What? A soft brake pedal is an indication of either air in the hydraulic system or, since the rear brakes were worked on and they were drum brakes, the shoes possibly weren't adjusted properly. Since the red brake light was on as well as the ABS light there were 2 problems. The red brake light has to do with 2 things, the parking brake and the hydraulic system, the ABS light only has to do with the electrical ABS system. You are right that an ABS sensor will not cause the brakes to stop working but air in the system will and it will cause the red brake light to illuminate. What you are describing is that after disc brakes are serviced they must be "pumped" a few times to push the pads back out and against the rotors. You are basically adjusting them by filling the calipers with brake fluid. But this is done one time and after that you should have a full brake pedal if everything else was done right. There is zero pressure in the brake system when the pedal isn't being applied. And I have done a few brakes in my time, as a matter of fact I have been a professional mechanic for 37 years.
@@1967davethewave that's sort of what I was saying you just explained it more, I was generalizing and I think you know what i meant, that being said my older brother is a master mechanic and he has been for over 30 years. I don't have 37 years of experience because I haven't been alive that long but I'm sure you know what i meant.
As a professional certified technician for over a decade, this was 100% the defendants cause. JM is wrong here. When he went back and said the pedal was soft they should have checked it out or not let him leave.
And as a professional, you are not right in saying the Judge is wrong. She knows what she knows, she does her homework, where is your proof, you have none.
I can’t believe the judge didn’t rule on his favor, like obviously the defendants were lying, having an issue with the ABS system is a big deal and he didn’t have that before getting the brakes done, also saying the breaks get used with time like are you serious is not a dental work if the brakes feel loose or too hard afterwards it means it was done incorrectly, brake system are to be smooth, I have called my mechanic minutes after leaving the shop after brakes being done and they immediately say bring the car back we will adjust the brakes, it was bad on the shop part to let him go with so many problems the car presented after the “work” they did, one time I even went to Costco to get tires and the manager came to me and say we don’t give mechanic advice but this part needs to be replaced fyi , like a caring mechanic will never let you take chances , he could have gotten hurt or hurt someone else on that accident….
He's been going to this shop for many years, and in this situation, (we need $100 more for brakes), and he wants to leave. JM was.... awfully patient for tolerating, (smiling instead of yelling), at this waste of time case.
The mechanic didn't pump the brakes after servicing them, they therefore had no pressure, a sensor would not cause brakes to fail. When the guy said his brakes didn't feel right and the mechanic told him they'd get harder over time that's when I knew the plaintiff was telling the truth because he obviously had no mechanical background and the statement is true but no mechanic should ever give a car back without pumping the brakes, you're asking for an accident or setting someone up for one.
@@markbrandon7359 yes they have been able to use a VAC tool for years but many of them do not and at the bare minimum they pump the brakes my family owned a repair shop up until hurricane Ida took it out 2 years ago, the older mechanics almost never used the VAC tools and would do it the old fashioned way and it's a very good way of confirming the brakes had enough pressure. My older brother owned the shop and is a master mechanic, he had all the tools you could possibly need and the older guys still did things the old fashioned way.
@@peryole Vacuum tools do a far superior job. I did body repair I worked with an old journeyman `who still used a gas welding torch instead of a mig that's just plain stupid if an old dog is too stubborn to learn a new trick get a younger dog
@@markbrandon7359 it's a great way to learn when you're a kid, those vacs have been around as long as I've been alive. I was a poor struggling kid and had to change my own brakes when they locked up on me, I hung around my family's shop allot when I was a kid and learned to do many things on my own that was over 15 years ago with the brake issues, you couldn't get me to change my own anything nowadays, if I catch a flat I'm calling roadside assistance, many of these people my age don't even know how to change a flat or anything else about cars, i know how, I'm just not doing it which is why I have been driving Acura vehicles for 14 years, they're super low maintenance and the one i have right now just hit 10 years old I'm buying a new one because it's older not because there's anything wrong with it.
@@markbrandon7359 I'm a mechanic and the vacuum bleeding tools don't work with most ABS systems. They work great on old brake systems and SOME ABS systems but I can tell you 100% less than half of the shops out there use them. And many manufacturers have manual brake bleeding as the recommended procedure to bleed the brakes after a repair as it takes a certain amount of pressure to push through the ABS module. Now I can't imagine the amount of panel warpage that would occur using an oxy acetylene torch to weld a panel, MIG is bad enough.
The lesson here is bring a professional witness. Another mechanic because the defendants were lying and the plantiff had the burden to prove negligence. He couldn’t do that if he doesn’t have like the judge the experience. He could’ve won this case with doing his homework
i have alot of experience with brakes . i actually believe the plaintiff . the symptoms he described can happen if the mechanic does not bleed the brakes properly after changing the rear brake wheel cylinders , which is what they did , and also the mechanic may forget to put enough brake fluid back into the fluid reservoir or even forget to even bleed the brakes at all . i suspect that the defendants did not bleed the brakes and thats why there was low pressure and then no pressure because air was in the system and fluid was not reaching the brakes .
I’ve had an ABS light on in my truck for a very long time. It doesn’t keep the brakes from working. Mechanics help me here. Spongy breaks don’t fix themselves.
Another auto repair case where the judge got it wrong. They bled the brakes and didn't fully bleed the system. It sounds to me like the defendants are liable. If the anti-lock brake system goes out, it doesn't cause a soft brake pedal. Air in the brake lines will cause a soft brake pedal.
Doesn't make sense: If he said the brakes went all the way to the floor, then they would have failed completely, but he didn't state they had to be repaired again. What's going on? This was a pretty lame court case for sure.
Generations of his family have been going to that same shop, and it’s this generation that decides to sue. He should see the truth, and realize the mistake he made.
Something sounds fishy as a mechanic myself. Even if the ABS light is on, the brakes should NOT be soft. It sounds like they didn't bleed the brakes properly. What he should of done is after the accident, have another mechanic inspect the brakes and get a testimony in writing.
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
What This kid is describing is not an ABS issue. These men know they did a poor job of bleeding that line or something. Any reasonable person who sees this episode would be crazy to go to American Auto
@@trekgirl65 what are you talking about, a car just doesn't, not stop out of no where, especially when u just got your BRAKES repaired. key word REPAIRED. so i guess if you go and get your hair done and you leave the shop and you get home and you realize that you hair is falling out, oh it's not the person that did your hairs fault, YOU'RE JUST OLD
Isn't the sensor required by law? Or am I thinking of the tire pressure monitor? Maybe it's different depending on what state you live in? I know that at least one of them is... But a brake pedal being squishy/ going to the floor is a serious oversight and negligence by the mechanic!!! Even I know that the brakes need to be bled before giving it back to the customer!!! Thank goodness it wasn't a serious accident!!!
Neither abs or tpms are legally required, many cars have neither. And yep almost every knowledgeable person on here will tell you those brake issues are the mechanics fault abs sensor are just that sensors and don't stop brakes from working.
@@peryole Actually, TPMS is required by law on vehicles made on or after September 1, 2007... TREAD was signed into law in the fall of 2000... It's also a legal requirement, NHTSA, for vehicles to be equipped with ABS... September 2011... But thanks for your response! 😊
@@mymonkey10 it may be a requirement applied to manufacturers, but it's not a law applied to owners, plenty of people have tires without tpms, my spare has no tpms.
@@peryole I had a bad TPMS (didn't really bother me)... but then I blew that tire (friggen pothole)... The shop wouldn't just replace the tire because it's required by law to have a working TPMS... I called over a half dozen places to see if they'd only replace the tire... nope... those sensors are like $85! I probably could've found some shady shop to do it but it is what it is... Also, for inspection purposes in my state, they must work... if the light is on, on the dash... FAIL...
I believe the shop caused the problem. There's no reason for the brake pedals to go to the floor like that especially just from an ABS light. Seems like they did not bleed the system correctly. The plaintiff should have had the repair done and let the other shop diagnosed with the issue was and used it as evidence
Why the hell she say he is stupid. I'm not a mechanic if I test drive the car and tell him I notice something different with my breaks and I ask you the mechanic whats up and nifty I can drive out of here and you say yes... why would I be stupid for driving away with my car. WTF what's the point of asking your paid expert and then taking their advice I'm disagree with her decision
Also the mechanic is full of shit about the brakes. They weren't blood properly if the pedal was soft. And it won't build up over time it's a sealed system and if there's air in the system it can't escape. The kid should have brought another mechanic to testify for him because the brake job was done wrong so they should have been held liable. Faulty ABS doesn't cause the pedal to go to the ground. The judge doesn't know enough about cars to know that unfortunately that's why he lost.
Changing brakes alone could mess with the abs system however ive had some messed up where couldnt drive it anymore and others it was just normal. It all comes down to what exactly was wrong with the abs system?
They never said what car they worked on. Some need to be bled with the scanner to open and close the abs valves or you will never bleed it correctly. A soft pedal means air in the brake system. A failed component in the abs will disable the abs and revert back normal hydraulic braking and not result in a soft pedal. The mechanic screwed it up and replacing the abs sensor, aka speed sensor, would not of removed the air from the system. Super dangerous to drive.
Geez, this plaintiff. He knows nothing about cars, he was told what he needed to know by a professional, and still made the decision he made. Then he files a case and asks for all kinds of crazy things.
You would if you could take them on this show 😂 fr though, both plaintiff and defendant get paid a couple hundred (I think Judy pays 250 each, this show may only do 50) just for showing up, plus all expenses paid for travel, PLUS if you win, the judgment amount is paid directly to you by the producers fund. Meaning you get paid regardless, but your defendant can't shit out on you if they decide not to pay.🎉
@@MrsMeeker0328it's more likely thousands. Pretty sure the pool is 5-10k per case depending upon the statutory maximum. The judgement is paid out of this, then the rest is halved between the two parties.
Judge got this case completely wrong this garage is 100% responsible either didnt bleed the brake correctly or pressure bleed it and damage the abs pump, and leave air in the brakes causing a accident i wouldnt trust this garage completely clueless about abs sensor
👍💯👍 verdict! My first car was old like his too. Oh boy! Every time we bring it to fix something the machinists always advise us to buy a newer car cuz if they open to fix something, for sure other parts will fall along, creating more problems to be fixed. We ended up buying a cheapest brand new car.
I had an old Kia years ago and I went to get the oil changed and was told not to because it was old and may spring a leak, I drove that thing for 4 years and never changed the oil.
No way I'd let them smucks touch my cars. They full of shiz . I do all my own repairs because I know how and feel bad that people get screwed by clowns like the defendants all the time. Sucks the judges tends to believe what they say,but the plaintive should have found something to prove them wrong.
@@MrAzkushit's the exact same thing that'd happen with any car it could be 20 or 5 years old, hell it could be brand new, the brakes were not bleed properly and they never pumped the brakes.
@@tchevrier not exactly, but it is a part of that process. Brakes in most cars are hydraulic and they need pressure to function properly. Ask any reputable mechanic and they'd tell you that you're asking to seriously harm someone if you give them a car back without pumping brakes that had just been changed, it's literally what it sounds like, you sit there and you pump the brakes until they build pressure.
Oh no no no the vehicle should not have had a soft pedal. The ABS sensor would not cause a soft pedal. ABS will make the pedal feel soft when the system is activated but will not work at all if the computer senses a problem in the system in this case the brakes will act like a non ABS vehicle but will NOT cause a low pedal. Most importantly the plaintiff stated the pedal went to the FLOOR! It is my belif the rear brake job was NOT done correctly and most likely not blead out completely and or rear brakes not adjusted up properly. Also possible fluid leak at where the rear brake lines attach to the wheel cylinders. I think the plaintiff should have had a second opinion and a professional witness.
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
I took my 09 rav4 to fix a oil leak. I got it, and all the lights were on. And it wasn't that way when i took it to them. They fixed it without charge because it was their fault
Holy cow literally everyone was wrong on this clip. The judge, Harvey, everyone, all because they know nothing about cars. This is how crooked auto mechanics get over on people all the time. They lie and people believe them. That shop ripped him off. ABS has nothing to do with pedal pressure. If the pedal was soft and went to the ground then they left one of the lines loose or left air in the system when they bled it and should be held responsible.
i have alot of experience with brakes . i actually believe the plaintiff . the symptoms he described can happen if the mechanic does not bleed the brakes properly after changing the rear brake wheel cylinders , which is what they did , and also the mechanic may forget to put enough brake fluid back into the fluid reservoir or even forget to even bleed the brakes at all . i suspect that the defendants did not bleed the brakes and thats why there was low pressure and then no pressure because air was in the system and fluid was not reaching the brakes .
Agreed. They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
Thru told him a part was bad, he test drove the car and If the brakes were that soft where he had a question about them he should’ve never drove the car away. That’s on him since he did.
What an effing liar. Even if he was halfways telling the truth, which hes not, the rear brakes have nothing to do with the front sensor "going off" or "getting triggered" You can get the same code and light by just unplugging it They gambled on the judge not knowing and won
Accident is 100% the shop's fault! Soft pedal AFTER the brake service is NOT normal and will NOT get better as you drive. This shop has no clue! THEY damaged the sensor while bleeding. I wish this kid went to a dealer and got an affidavit from the dealer.
Imo it hurt the plaintiff's case to keep saying he trusted the defendants' expertise when he mistrusted them enough to get a second opinion over a hundred bucks
Bleed the brakes wrong and the ABS system can get messed up. It’s that simple… I’ve only seen it happen once but it can happen if you don’t closely follow the bleeding procedure and use a scan tool if needed.
From the minute the plaintiff walked in he looked like a fish out of water. Dear Plaintiff, it's difficult to button a jacket that's two sizes too small. The plaintiff is just as ditzy as they come. The defendant looked absolutely idiotic (not the least bit funny) coming out of court in that cap.
True but there would be fluid leaking that would be obvious. A red brake light after the repair is an indication there was a loss in pressure somewhere and a loose brake line or bleeder valve can cause this but also just air in the system will cause this too. Since the plaintiff said that the brake pedal felt soft, the defendant's shop replace the wheel cylinders and bled them I'm betting that they didn't get them bled properly. After watching the whole case I think the shop screwed up but the plaintiff needed some expert testimony. None of that would have been affected by the ABS sensor either, the shop would have been liable because that is negligence. I do this for a living and see a lot of things like this happen.
You obviously have never worked on brakes. This was 100% the shops fault! If you EVER get brake work done and your pedal goes to the floor or feels soft, take it back and have them fix it. The ABS sensor has nothing to do with the pedal going to the floor.
That is not fair because if it wasn't for them messing with this gentleman's car they will never had that problem with the sensor or whatever it is that they were having a problem he didn't have a problem with it before, I know that most of the judges do not like when they're plaintiffs are more prepared and have more education they don't like that
I'm only halfway through the video but I am an auto mechanic. If the shop set off his ABS indicator then the shop is responsible for resetting it. They literally caused the problem. They are blaming it on the car being old. Well they're also choosing to work on old cars so they bear some responsibility also. Its not as if while inspecting one problem they discovered another. They caused the fault. Once again as a mechanic myself more than likely what happened is they damaged the wheel sensor when replacing the brakes and wheel cylinders. And they're trying to get the customer to pay for it. The shop is a bunch of crooks.
i would bet money that the defendants did not bleed the brakes and or forgot to refill the brake fluid after changing the rear wheel cylinders .
Yeah, I am absolutely stunned that the shop let the plaintiff drive away with a soft brake pedal and that they'll 'firm up with driving'. Wowsers, that is criminal. Shop is lucky there wasn't a serious injury in that accident and the lawsuits started flying for negligence. If I was the plaintiff's family I wouldn't go near the shop ever again.
The soft pedal should indicate though that the brake bleeding done when the back brakes were done caused the master cylinder to burp air into the line which caused the failure of the brakes and the soft pedal
@@marleonetti7I absolutely agree I've run into this situation in the ABS light was involved and it all had to do with the bleeding of the brakes properly
I agree. An abs issue shouldn't cause the brake pedal to be soft or go to the floor especially if it wasn't like that when it came in.
Love watching blue shirt guy in the back row to the right of the plaintiff react to his testimony. He must know about brakes based on his nods and shakes of the head.
I’ve never had a brake job where the brakes were “soft” after being changed and properly bleed. They are “soft” because there is air in the lines. Also ABS ( Anti-Brake Skid) is a device that automatically “pumps” the brakes to avoid skiding under a hard braking. Some mechanic did a bad brake job.
I agree with everything you mentioned and I would go as far to say if the brake pedal was soft during the GO/NO-GO test, maybe that is why the technician got a ABS fault. Some cars have a idiot-brake-light that will come-on if the pressure in the brake line is low during a braking menurver.
If the judge was a mechanic she would know they did a poor job bleeding those brakes. Abs had nothing to do with the accident
I was wondering... "what in the hell is a Breal?"🤔😂
A womans clothing company
Only reason I clicked on it😂😂
Lol
A Breal is a person who comes up with lame titles for these videos and doesn't use spell check.
@LightThatCigarExcept the vehicle has brake(s)...although for being cheap the customer did break his relationship with the garage.😉
The way the announcer introduces the case is hilarious
Glenn couldn’t look any more like a Glenn 😂
that's exactly what I said! when he said his name I was like well that makes perfect sense.
The Walking Dead!
And that shirt.
Yep! Such a bonafide, certified 100% Glen!
The problem is they got air in the system from improper bleeding. Defendant is 100% liable. Plaintiff"s only problem was he didn't get another reputable shop to confirm this for court purposes.
I thought this too - He "had" a case.
No proof. He would have needed a mechanic to inspect after the accident and attest to it.
Exactly
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
@@stratfordbaby thats a whole lot of assuming and inferring unless you have had your eyes on the brakes of THIS CAR AFTER the accident
The defendants are liars, there is no connection at all between bleeding the brakes and a wheel speed sensor failing. The repair explanation coupled with the soft brake pedal tells me that they negligently got air into the ABS module and they were unable to purge it out.
the plaintiff said the brake pedal felt soft and when he applied it, it went to the floor. I would have thought that meant either air in the system or not enough fluid.
Exactly, or they didn't pump the brakes, either would have caused exactly what that guy described and it could have been worse. The plaintiff has no auto repair knowledge and apparently neither does JM, but the defense knew exactly what happened and blamed it on the abs sensor which would not have caused his brakes to lose pressure. The comment the guy made about his brakes being squishy and the mechanic telling him that the brakes would become harder over time is actually a true statement but no mechanic should ever give a car back to someone without the brakes being pumped, it's almost like he set the guy to cause an accident, while the guy has a douche bag attitude, there's no reason for doing that to someone.
The ABS system in my van went out and I drove it for 2 to 3 years or more. Never had any problems with the brakes at all thank goodness. I do remember having to pump my brakes at times but otherwise it was fine. Thank you guys for explaining the way y'all have.
Air in the system is what it sounds like to me too. The only reason the red brake light would have come on is due to either low pressure of the parking brake was on. And I think it's a pretty safe bet the parking brake wasn't on.
I had my abs take a dump after brake replacement so it can happen since older cars the abs system was different back then now for this kid to say brakes were soft went to floor and the lock up? No way. If you brakes go to floor they are not going lock up.
An ABS sensor has nothing to do with a soft / spongy brake pedal. The brake system fluids were not bled of air properly after the rear brake work that was performed at the repair shop and that that is what caused the accident. The judge got this one wrong!
If the ABS system does not function, the brakes will still operate. You can still drive a vehicle without ABS.
If the pedal was soft and also went to the floor. Brake fluid could have been leaking out. Or air in the system.
Bro just had to get a mechanic to say they messed up the brakes. Easy case.
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
A lot of garages will make you sign a release if they find something that makes the vehicle unsafe, and you refuse to repair. That bit about brakes being soft after a brake job, and they'll stiffen up over time is ridiculous. The exact opposite happens.
You've obviously never changed brakes or brake fluids have you? Brakes do in fact lose pressure after they've been worked on and the pressure must be built up again, what the guy is describing is brakes that had no hydraulic pressure and if they gave him that truck back without rebuilding pressure or pumping the brakes, it would sure cause an accident or even kill someone. I was in a Sears a few years ago getting my car serviced and they badly damaged someone's truck by not pumping the brakes, saw it myself, the guy only realized what he'd done a after and you could see him pumping the brakes trying to regain control an abs sensor will not cause brakes to stop working.
@@peryole What? A soft brake pedal is an indication of either air in the hydraulic system or, since the rear brakes were worked on and they were drum brakes, the shoes possibly weren't adjusted properly. Since the red brake light was on as well as the ABS light there were 2 problems. The red brake light has to do with 2 things, the parking brake and the hydraulic system, the ABS light only has to do with the electrical ABS system. You are right that an ABS sensor will not cause the brakes to stop working but air in the system will and it will cause the red brake light to illuminate. What you are describing is that after disc brakes are serviced they must be "pumped" a few times to push the pads back out and against the rotors. You are basically adjusting them by filling the calipers with brake fluid. But this is done one time and after that you should have a full brake pedal if everything else was done right. There is zero pressure in the brake system when the pedal isn't being applied. And I have done a few brakes in my time, as a matter of fact I have been a professional mechanic for 37 years.
@@1967davethewave that's sort of what I was saying you just explained it more, I was generalizing and I think you know what i meant, that being said my older brother is a master mechanic and he has been for over 30 years. I don't have 37 years of experience because I haven't been alive that long but I'm sure you know what i meant.
@@peryole Ahh, I get what you're saying. You are right!
@@peryole And I think the defendant got away lucky!!
As a professional certified technician for over a decade, this was 100% the defendants cause. JM is wrong here. When he went back and said the pedal was soft they should have checked it out or not let him leave.
And as a professional, you are not right in saying the Judge is wrong. She knows what she knows, she does her homework, where is your proof, you have none.
I def believe you but he didn’t have the proof. He needed a mechanic to testify for him. He lost due to not proving his case.
I can’t believe the judge didn’t rule on his favor, like obviously the defendants were lying, having an issue with the ABS system is a big deal and he didn’t have that before getting the brakes done, also saying the breaks get used with time like are you serious is not a dental work if the brakes feel loose or too hard afterwards it means it was done incorrectly, brake system are to be smooth, I have called my mechanic minutes after leaving the shop after brakes being done and they immediately say bring the car back we will adjust the brakes, it was bad on the shop part to let him go with so many problems the car presented after the “work” they did, one time I even went to Costco to get tires and the manager came to me and say we don’t give mechanic advice but this part needs to be replaced fyi , like a caring mechanic will never let you take chances , he could have gotten hurt or hurt someone else on that accident….
Wow. The defendants think the excuse of its an older car so its gonna have problems relieves them from work not being done properly.
He needed a lawyer as he was very poor and communicating this case.
Giving a customer a breal??
Plaintiff father has experience in insurance fraud for sure
The plantiff threw his dad right under the bus when the judge asked about the insurance premium increase.
He's been going to this shop for many years, and in this situation, (we need $100 more for brakes), and he wants to leave. JM was.... awfully patient for tolerating, (smiling instead of yelling), at this waste of time case.
The mechanic didn't pump the brakes after servicing them, they therefore had no pressure, a sensor would not cause brakes to fail. When the guy said his brakes didn't feel right and the mechanic told him they'd get harder over time that's when I knew the plaintiff was telling the truth because he obviously had no mechanical background and the statement is true but no mechanic should ever give a car back without pumping the brakes, you're asking for an accident or setting someone up for one.
Mech don't pump brakes anymore they use a vacuum bleeding tool
@@markbrandon7359 yes they have been able to use a VAC tool for years but many of them do not and at the bare minimum they pump the brakes my family owned a repair shop up until hurricane Ida took it out 2 years ago, the older mechanics almost never used the VAC tools and would do it the old fashioned way and it's a very good way of confirming the brakes had enough pressure. My older brother owned the shop and is a master mechanic, he had all the tools you could possibly need and the older guys still did things the old fashioned way.
@@peryole Vacuum tools do a far superior job. I did body repair I worked with an old journeyman `who still used a gas welding torch instead of a mig that's just plain stupid if an old dog is too stubborn to learn a new trick get a younger dog
@@markbrandon7359 it's a great way to learn when you're a kid, those vacs have been around as long as I've been alive. I was a poor struggling kid and had to change my own brakes when they locked up on me, I hung around my family's shop allot when I was a kid and learned to do many things on my own that was over 15 years ago with the brake issues, you couldn't get me to change my own anything nowadays, if I catch a flat I'm calling roadside assistance, many of these people my age don't even know how to change a flat or anything else about cars, i know how, I'm just not doing it which is why I have been driving Acura vehicles for 14 years, they're super low maintenance and the one i have right now just hit 10 years old I'm buying a new one because it's older not because there's anything wrong with it.
@@markbrandon7359 I'm a mechanic and the vacuum bleeding tools don't work with most ABS systems. They work great on old brake systems and SOME ABS systems but I can tell you 100% less than half of the shops out there use them. And many manufacturers have manual brake bleeding as the recommended procedure to bleed the brakes after a repair as it takes a certain amount of pressure to push through the ABS module. Now I can't imagine the amount of panel warpage that would occur using an oxy acetylene torch to weld a panel, MIG is bad enough.
The lesson here is bring a professional witness. Another mechanic because the defendants were lying and the plantiff had the burden to prove negligence. He couldn’t do that if he doesn’t have like the judge the experience. He could’ve won this case with doing his homework
i have alot of experience with brakes . i actually believe the plaintiff . the symptoms he described can happen if the mechanic does not bleed the brakes properly after changing the rear brake wheel cylinders , which is what they did , and also the mechanic may forget to put enough brake fluid back into the fluid reservoir or even forget to even bleed the brakes at all . i suspect that the defendants did not bleed the brakes and thats why there was low pressure and then no pressure because air was in the system and fluid was not reaching the brakes .
I’ve had an ABS light on in my truck for a very long time. It doesn’t keep the brakes from working. Mechanics help me here. Spongy breaks don’t fix themselves.
Another auto repair case where the judge got it wrong. They bled the brakes and didn't fully bleed the system. It sounds to me like the defendants are liable. If the anti-lock brake system goes out, it doesn't cause a soft brake pedal. Air in the brake lines will cause a soft brake pedal.
Wouldnt say she got it wrong. She cant be expected to be an expert in everything. She ruled based on the presented evidence.
@@ClepticometShe doesn't have to be an expert, but she can consult experts to prepare for the case.
If the brakes lost pressure they wouldn’t lock up. They just would not work period. The entire system works under pressure.
Goes in working, leaves out broken. What other evidence do you need ?
Doesn't make sense: If he said the brakes went all the way to the floor, then they would have failed completely, but he didn't state they had to be repaired again. What's going on? This was a pretty lame court case for sure.
Generations of his family have been going to that same shop, and it’s this generation that decides to sue. He should see the truth, and realize the mistake he made.
The plaintiff appears to be intelligent.
this plaintiff sure relies on other people's experiences more than his own!
Something sounds fishy as a mechanic myself. Even if the ABS light is on, the brakes should NOT be soft. It sounds like they didn't bleed the brakes properly. What he should of done is after the accident, have another mechanic inspect the brakes and get a testimony in writing.
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
What This kid is describing is not an ABS issue. These men know they did a poor job of bleeding that line or something. Any reasonable person who sees this episode would be crazy to go to American Auto
an A.B.S sensor will not stop your car from stopping. they messed up his brakes
OMG that car is 20 years old, things fall apart on a car. Not the mechanics fault.
@@trekgirl65 what are you talking about, a car just doesn't, not stop out of no where, especially when u just got your BRAKES repaired. key word REPAIRED. so i guess if you go and get your hair done and you leave the shop and you get home and you realize that you hair is falling out, oh it's not the person that did your hairs fault, YOU'RE JUST OLD
Isn't the sensor required by law? Or am I thinking of the tire pressure monitor? Maybe it's different depending on what state you live in? I know that at least one of them is...
But a brake pedal being squishy/ going to the floor is a serious oversight and negligence by the mechanic!!! Even I know that the brakes need to be bled before giving it back to the customer!!!
Thank goodness it wasn't a serious accident!!!
*RAYYYYYYCIZZZZZZZM!*
Neither abs or tpms are legally required, many cars have neither. And yep almost every knowledgeable person on here will tell you those brake issues are the mechanics fault abs sensor are just that sensors and don't stop brakes from working.
@@peryole Actually, TPMS is required by law on vehicles made on or after September 1, 2007... TREAD was signed into law in the fall of 2000...
It's also a legal requirement, NHTSA, for vehicles to be equipped with ABS... September 2011...
But thanks for your response! 😊
@@mymonkey10 it may be a requirement applied to manufacturers, but it's not a law applied to owners, plenty of people have tires without tpms, my spare has no tpms.
@@peryole I had a bad TPMS (didn't really bother me)... but then I blew that tire (friggen pothole)... The shop wouldn't just replace the tire because it's required by law to have a working TPMS... I called over a half dozen places to see if they'd only replace the tire... nope... those sensors are like $85! I probably could've found some shady shop to do it but it is what it is...
Also, for inspection purposes in my state, they must work... if the light is on, on the dash... FAIL...
Thank god I have a mechanic that I can trust 💯
Never should there be a soft pedal after brake work. they botched the brake job.
I believe the shop caused the problem. There's no reason for the brake pedals to go to the floor like that especially just from an ABS light. Seems like they did not bleed the system correctly. The plaintiff should have had the repair done and let the other shop diagnosed with the issue was and used it as evidence
This upsets me. The ABS would not make a soft pedal. They did not bleed the brakes properly..
Why the hell she say he is stupid. I'm not a mechanic if I test drive the car and tell him I notice something different with my breaks and I ask you the mechanic whats up and nifty I can drive out of here and you say yes... why would I be stupid for driving away with my car.
WTF what's the point of asking your paid expert and then taking their advice
I'm disagree with her decision
ABS not working does not cause an accident especially at low speeds.
Also the mechanic is full of shit about the brakes. They weren't blood properly if the pedal was soft. And it won't build up over time it's a sealed system and if there's air in the system it can't escape. The kid should have brought another mechanic to testify for him because the brake job was done wrong so they should have been held liable. Faulty ABS doesn't cause the pedal to go to the ground. The judge doesn't know enough about cars to know that unfortunately that's why he lost.
Have a wonderful safe Wednesday, keep the ones you love close, life is short
Changing brakes alone could mess with the abs system however ive had some messed up where couldnt drive it anymore and others it was just normal. It all comes down to what exactly was wrong with the abs system?
They never said what car they worked on. Some need to be bled with the scanner to open and close the abs valves or you will never bleed it correctly. A soft pedal means air in the brake system. A failed component in the abs will disable the abs and revert back normal hydraulic braking and not result in a soft pedal. The mechanic screwed it up and replacing the abs sensor, aka speed sensor, would not of removed the air from the system. Super dangerous to drive.
Geez, this plaintiff. He knows nothing about cars, he was told what he needed to know by a professional, and still made the decision he made. Then he files a case and asks for all kinds of crazy things.
Damn, now he gotta find a new mechanic… welp 🤷🏾♂️
I hate when giving a customer Breal doesn’t work lol
BAD JUDGEMENT! A sensor wouldn't cause the brakes to be soft. Soft brakes are caused by air in the brake lines.
WTF is wrong with those people? I would never ever waste my time on suing anybody! Sometimes you have to just take a loss.
You would if you could take them on this show 😂 fr though, both plaintiff and defendant get paid a couple hundred (I think Judy pays 250 each, this show may only do 50) just for showing up, plus all expenses paid for travel, PLUS if you win, the judgment amount is paid directly to you by the producers fund. Meaning you get paid regardless, but your defendant can't shit out on you if they decide not to pay.🎉
@@MrsMeeker0328it's more likely thousands. Pretty sure the pool is 5-10k per case depending upon the statutory maximum. The judgement is paid out of this, then the rest is halved between the two parties.
He put on that hat to plug the business lol
Cause you're wearing glasses doesn't make you smart.
Judge got this case completely wrong this garage is 100% responsible either didnt bleed the brake correctly or pressure bleed it and damage the abs pump, and leave air in the brakes causing a accident i wouldnt trust this garage completely clueless about abs sensor
👍💯👍 verdict! My first car was old like his too. Oh boy! Every time we bring it to fix something the machinists always advise us to buy a newer car cuz if they open to fix something, for sure other parts will fall along, creating more problems to be fixed.
We ended up buying a cheapest brand new car.
I had an old Kia years ago and I went to get the oil changed and was told not to because it was old and may spring a leak, I drove that thing for 4 years and never changed the oil.
Plaintiff is so cute ❤
No way I'd let them smucks touch my cars. They full of shiz . I do all my own repairs because I know how and feel bad that people get screwed by clowns like the defendants all the time. Sucks the judges tends to believe what they say,but the plaintive should have found something to prove them wrong.
The People's Court
They were giving him a good deal, and should have spent the $100!
the peddle fell to the floor and the brakes locked up????? That doesn't seem right
I had an old Ford escort that I changed brakes myself and didn't bleed properly and exact same thing happened.
The shop didn't pump the brakes and that's exactly what would happen if you don't.
@@MrAzkushit's the exact same thing that'd happen with any car it could be 20 or 5 years old, hell it could be brand new, the brakes were not bleed properly and they never pumped the brakes.
@@peryole when you say "pump the brakes" are you referring to bleeding the system?
@@tchevrier not exactly, but it is a part of that process. Brakes in most cars are hydraulic and they need pressure to function properly. Ask any reputable mechanic and they'd tell you that you're asking to seriously harm someone if you give them a car back without pumping brakes that had just been changed, it's literally what it sounds like, you sit there and you pump the brakes until they build pressure.
the defendant is not a mechanic. they change tires and brakes. take any and all repairs to a certified mechanic while getting 2nd and 3rd opinions.
Oh no no no the vehicle should not have had a soft pedal. The ABS sensor would not cause a soft pedal. ABS will make the pedal feel soft when the system is activated but will not work at all if the computer senses a problem in the system in this case the brakes will act like a non ABS vehicle but will NOT cause a low pedal. Most importantly the plaintiff stated the pedal went to the FLOOR! It is my belif the rear brake job was NOT done correctly and most likely not blead out completely and or rear brakes not adjusted up properly. Also possible fluid leak at where the rear brake lines attach to the wheel cylinders. I think the plaintiff should have had a second opinion and a professional witness.
Judge made a bad call
Is anyone proof reading these titles?
He was in previous accident and the car was 20 years old.
Love when she gets it WRONG
How did she get it wrong?
They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
I took my 09 rav4 to fix a oil leak. I got it, and all the lights were on. And it wasn't that way when i took it to them. They fixed it without charge because it was their fault
Holy cow literally everyone was wrong on this clip. The judge, Harvey, everyone, all because they know nothing about cars. This is how crooked auto mechanics get over on people all the time. They lie and people believe them. That shop ripped him off. ABS has nothing to do with pedal pressure. If the pedal was soft and went to the ground then they left one of the lines loose or left air in the system when they bled it and should be held responsible.
You know nothing about cars. This was a 20 year old car falling apart.
i have alot of experience with brakes . i actually believe the plaintiff . the symptoms he described can happen if the mechanic does not bleed the brakes properly after changing the rear brake wheel cylinders , which is what they did , and also the mechanic may forget to put enough brake fluid back into the fluid reservoir or even forget to even bleed the brakes at all . i suspect that the defendants did not bleed the brakes and thats why there was low pressure and then no pressure because air was in the system and fluid was not reaching the brakes .
Glen needs a new hairstyle. It's NOT 1992.
A k please for 200....
Hey y'all. Happy Wednesday
Happy Wednesday!
Great verdict!
Agreed. They only replaced REAR brakes. Most of the braking in a car is FRONT BRAKES. Front brakes wear out twice as fast as a result. The cause of the crash was NOT because of this repair.
Thru told him a part was bad, he test drove the car and If the brakes were that soft where he had a question about them he should’ve never drove the car away. That’s on him since he did.
Yea I have to change my sensor everytime I get new brakes as the smart judge said its just the price you gotta pay when you don't know anything.
What an effing liar. Even if he was halfways telling the truth, which hes not, the rear brakes have nothing to do with the front sensor "going off" or "getting triggered"
You can get the same code and light by just unplugging it
They gambled on the judge not knowing and won
Here before Breal is changed
Plaintiff is ridiculous. Money grab SMH
Accident is 100% the shop's fault! Soft pedal AFTER the brake service is NOT normal and will NOT get better as you drive. This shop has no clue! THEY damaged the sensor while bleeding. I wish this kid went to a dealer and got an affidavit from the dealer.
Imo it hurt the plaintiff's case to keep saying he trusted the defendants' expertise when he mistrusted them enough to get a second opinion over a hundred bucks
Oooo! Such a good point!
Is plaintiff chinese?
Asian American he looked mixed not all Asian are Chinese....
Oh wow very surprised... I think shops fault definitely
hello, what are you wearing to court, dude
Come on Harvey. “ picking up the pieces “ ?? So obviously mis-titled.
“Give me a brake “.
Defendant looks like a Mortician 😬
Uh oh
Bleed the brakes wrong and the ABS system can get messed up. It’s that simple… I’ve only seen it happen once but it can happen if you don’t closely follow the bleeding procedure and use a scan tool if needed.
Didn't want to spend $100 so lost $2000
From the minute the plaintiff walked in he looked like a fish out of water. Dear Plaintiff, it's difficult to button a jacket that's two sizes too small. The plaintiff is just as ditzy as they come. The defendant looked absolutely idiotic (not the least bit funny) coming out of court in that cap.
If in fact what the defendant said was true is it’s possible they left a brake line loose
True but there would be fluid leaking that would be obvious. A red brake light after the repair is an indication there was a loss in pressure somewhere and a loose brake line or bleeder valve can cause this but also just air in the system will cause this too. Since the plaintiff said that the brake pedal felt soft, the defendant's shop replace the wheel cylinders and bled them I'm betting that they didn't get them bled properly. After watching the whole case I think the shop screwed up but the plaintiff needed some expert testimony. None of that would have been affected by the ABS sensor either, the shop would have been liable because that is negligence. I do this for a living and see a lot of things like this happen.
The business man sounds like a good stand up guy. Young dude being cheap & foolish put himself into that situation.
You obviously have never worked on brakes. This was 100% the shops fault! If you EVER get brake work done and your pedal goes to the floor or feels soft, take it back and have them fix it. The ABS sensor has nothing to do with the pedal going to the floor.
Title should be break with a k. But cars brakes are spelled “brake”
title of the car has nothing to do with it, the car was 20 years old and falling apart.
BreaL? 🤔
This guy is sue happy and i think he'll look for someone else
That is not fair because if it wasn't for them messing with this gentleman's car they will never had that problem with the sensor or whatever it is that they were having a problem he didn't have a problem with it before, I know that most of the judges do not like when they're plaintiffs are more prepared and have more education they don't like that
Black dude in the back behind the Plantiff @7;40 wasn't buying his story either😅😂
They just lost a few good customers.
Ok
john Lennon lost
No one told him to take the car.
Weak case.