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In this episode of Design for Mass Production 3D Printing, we design a Stanley Cup tumbler completely optimized for 3D printing.
We discuss how 3D printing technology allows us to create a tumbler that's not only aesthetically pleasing but also offers impressive insulation and durability. Learn about the design process, from the initial concept to the final product, showcasing the capabilities of 3D printing in creating customizable, durable, and innovative consumer products. Get a behind-the-scenes look at the secret sauce that makes our 3D printed tumbler stand out, including its stainless steel liner for easy cleaning and unique insulating properties. Whether you're a coffee aficionado or a technology enthusiast, this video will change the way you think about how we manufacture everyday products.
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Overall the video has a clear message that has nothing wrong with it, so what I have to say is in no way anything negative, more so a correction.
While talking about the heat transfer in mugs you say how vacuum insulation is no better than foam and so forth, while there is truth in the following statement that most heat escapes while being conducted via the steel to the top, the thermos itself would be a notably worse item if using other forms of insulation. As mention in the video, 3D printing is amazing at creating internal geometries: creating sealed of pockets of air, minimal contact structures, this tackles the two most well know forms of heat transfer- convection and conduction. While smaller air pockets are better at fighting convection transfer than large pockets, the simple act of eliminating convection is far better solution. Secondly, any and all material having a direct connection from inside the hot container to the cool outside wall is far worse (thermodynamically speaking) than no connection at all, hence vacuum insulation being prominent for longer lasting storage. Thirdly, the only form of heat transfer that is hard to fight for both manufacturing methods is radiation, but even here you can win some if you make the inside of the chambers as far away from a perfect thermodynamic black body (i.e. less heat absorption).
I thank you for spreading the hype for 3d printing and hope that my words will be nothing more than a helpful addition.
I don’t want to read all of this
@@AusterEngineer Thank you, just sharing some observations.
The "liner" being used is vacuum insulated, so the holder is doing nothing. Any heat loss will be at the cup lip.
All this blah blah blah is pointless, except for "WTF? Vacuum is a far better insulation than air!".
@@gantasmorozovas4212 Thank you for sharing! I wonder if magnets might be used to eliminate all points of contact. Maybe with an electromagnetic "reversal" switch for easy removal of the inner liner for cleaning.
@@kennethbeal Do you believe magnets are magic?
TPU mug would be freakin' indestructible. Could also grip the liner really well. You should send a couple of these to Project Farm for testing!
Actually since you're selling them he wouldn't accept them for free, but we should all go leave some comments on his Stanley video to test them.
Sounds Sweet!
@@802Garage alternatively, if he has a 3D printer he could just make them himself 4Head
@@TS_Mind_Swept 😂 I don't think he does, but that would be cool.
@@802Garage It would definitely be thematically appropriate BlargNaut
I love the idea of using the fuzzy skin feature to "hide" layer lines on bigger objects. Even looks more premium this way than a moulded plastic part. Thanks for the video again!
Glad you like it!
Maybe it's because I'm in the 3D printing hobby but I love the me some layer lines on purpose built objects, I take pride in my DIY.
It's almost got a roto-molded texture to it
I have several things I use everyday I designed and 3d printed myself that are better than purchased products. My glasses frames are 3d printed too! And they fit me like a glove. I designed them and had lenses cut for them.
Thanks for sharing!
This is super dope. I like how you described your engineering decisions. Anyone else see him whack that thing and think, "Safety goggles much?" I'm off to buy my "Slantley" mug.
I'm a tad bit surprised the cup wasn't designed with the hole the stainless steel sleeve slides into being a grip fin style hole like in you're other video about designing better holes. My thinking is it would reduce contact points between the sleeve and the cup to further insulate the drink. Fewer points of contact with the cup, slower heat conductance. Of course the rim would need to be closed up so the cells between the fins wouldn't be open to the outside air, as well as to prevent your drink from sloshing down into said cells.
Thank you for showing the fuzzy skin settings! I'll use that as a starting point :)
Don’t let mid aged women hear that you’ve made a cup better than a Stanley. They’ll ask to see your manager
Lol
Damn Karens
The funniest part is when I saw someone at work with one for the first time I asked if they were pretty cheaper and they told me no, about the same as a yeti.... Then why don't you just get a yeti?😂
A plastic cup is not better than literal stainless steel. I don't give af about Stanley but this is a ridiculous opinion.
@@allwoundup3574 why? Plastic is a better thermal barrier than steel.
So since we shot the video we actually upgraded the cup with a new handle to make it even more durable. The file reflect this change. As does the final product. Kinds of brings home the power of Printing. You get feedback and you update the hardware the same way you would updated software. You can also see our video on handles here: th-cam.com/video/ofUlxe7GfKI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUQc2xhbnQgM2QgaGFuZGxlcw%3D%3D
But with the new handle design you can't use it left handed :(
@@PeregrineChurch mirror the file and print one 👍
Using infill for insulation is awesome But shouldn't you be using Cubic for that, rather than Rectangle? That would divide the air into many more small cells, and do it in three dimensions.
Good to see that pointed out already. For how handy the tips on this channel are, there seems to be a lot of low hanging fruit thats just missed in terms of optimisation. Same with stuff like adaptive layer lines a while ago.
Side question: What would be the most optimal infil density to limit both air flow and conduction through the plastic.
.stl files on the website are "out of stock"??? How does that work? Guess I will not be printing this...
My daughter likes to use Voss water bottles, and she re-uses them. They're a fairly heavy glass. After she broke a couple of them, I designed a cozy with a handle. The fit is good, and made better by a TPU ring around the top. I was surprised at how well it insulated the bottle. I was just running cubic infill. I printed it in PLA +, because she isn't using it for hot stuff. I don't print a lot of PETG. I have a hate-hate relationship with it. maybe I'll try one of the CF blends.
Curious how many hours it can keep drinks hot/cold
Awesome design! How do the overhangs work for the chamfer on the bottom? Doesn't it have a big horizontal section that will sag like shown at 1:09?
Open handle stl is currently out of stock, was their an issue with the model that needed a redesign?
I haven’t been able to get a 3D printed liner the thermal properties of a vacuum sealed (with copper radiation insulator) tumbler, not even remotely close. However what I did find that worked really well was using a wal mart “contego” thermos which has a vacuum sealed interior but it’s very thin than printing a cup that goes around it that doesn’t tip as easy, has a handle etc etc. Since very little consideration needs to be taken for insulation it can be fairly thin but have a nice wide base. I also made it so my lips don’t touch the plastic which even if food safe is a gross sensation.
With 3D printing you can add a version with a feature that holds the stainless steel straw when the cap is closes and it will cost nothing :)
Very true. We should add that into the model
Wow thats amazing, I was legit thinking about implementing a similar design with the same reasoning behind the design that 3D printed parts have air pockets that act as a better insulation than metal insulated cans. I was planning to implement it as a sleeve for a coke can but this implementation works as well. Nice work!!!
The mostly empty infill isn't as good an insulator as a vacuum flask but most people would actually prefer a mug that keeps hot drinks hot for a work day but don't want it still scalding hot two days later. Sometimes there can be too much of an engineered good thing. Most people want an insulated mug like this that has some ice left at the end of the day. The Amazon link shows a vacuum flask. Nice job capitalizing on the Stanley craze even after the brief wave crested.
Yeah, I was going to say I don’t think infill patterns would even compare to styrofoam as far as insulation goes. The cell size in foams is just so much smaller. With that being said, he was emphasizing how cool it was to be able to adjust the properties of a material just by changing the print settings, which I have to admit is pretty cool!
@@bensonboys6609 - Totally agree. People too often see additive manufacturing as a low rent alternative to "real" manufacturing such as die casting, injection molding or CNC machining. I guess 3D printing's reputation is somehow tarnished because people can do it in their homes with a very low barrier to entry even though that's another one of its big advantages. We're only just starting to scratch the surface of custom tailoring 3D printed structures.
Iv been fascinated with 3D printing for years, but its only recently my friends have been taking notice of how cool ot is, especially when they relise a lot of the stuff i do are my own desings.
I started with no CAD knowledge at all and now completely self taught can pretty make any desing.
Its nice too see much more poeple getting into 3D Printing.
Thank you for making these files purchasable!
Another awesome video. what are the basic print specs with petg ? what was you layer height assuming a .4 mm nozzle ? How many mts of filament used and how long does it take you to print one ? I know your printers will prob be different to most.
What is the program you designed it in and also whats the licencing on the stl?
My daughter asked for a jug for the grandchildren's bathtime fun. I made a normal jug, one that made a curtain of droplets from the base and one that had a jet of water coming out the side. The bonus with 3D printing is that it is so easy to add their name and favorite animal shape/whatever shapes to the print.
Slant is now my go-to TH-cam site for 3D printing lore. Thanks.
bruh im just happy old farts are into 3d printing and gen Alpha is growing up knowing that 3d printing is not only a thing, but as useful thing.
Where did you find the steel liners?
TPU is perfect for this. What infill do you recommend?
Can you use a tumbler heat press to print designs on a 3d printed item?
Thanks for this. A great product idea to tweak and make something different. But also branch out to similar ideas that parallel it.
Loved this one! Banging on the tumbler numerous times had me laughing. Love the idea of the infill being the insulator. I have a 16oz stainless pint cup that's not dual walled. Guess I'll be opening up Fusion to toss some plastic at it soon!
Why does the cup on the 3d slant website have a "closed handle"? Did the original design fail?
Advertising on another level! I almost must buy that mug now 😅
What is the material of the glossy finished one?
curious how long stuff stays hot or cold in this?
why is only the enclosed handle mug being sold as an stl, i wanted to purchase the other one
The open handle STL file is sold out. :(
This is awesome. An excellent example and presentation.
This is the problem with people that can't think outside the box. You introduce new tech like 3d printers or EVs even, and instead of taking advantage of the benefits, they try to force it to work the old way.
Enjoying your vids, they're helping me design better parts.
So where do we get the STL and what liner does it use?
EDIT - disregard, info in description
I wonder if concentric infill would be strong enough for the given forces. It should insulate better, given the lack of connecting material to carry heat across layers.
I think this is super cool, and I think this is a good beginner project, pick the liner sixe/volume you want, and then make a cup thats best for you
You seemed to enjoy beating on that cup a lot :)
Great video, showing the power of 3d printing
Since the outside of the cup isn't going into the dishwasher, you could put a thermometer there to monitor the temperature inside the metal cylinder.
"Thats a lot of damage" vibes here, i like it!
Looks like I got some printing to do today.
so I have printed this thing 3 times now and 3 different sizing rings at different points on the cup to get it to fit and have been unable to... about to give up. would love some help.
I went ahead and printed 2 full cups. I'm also having trouble getting an insert to fit as is.
@@impavidus3372 so glad to know its not just me. @slant3d any ideas here?
I tried to buy the stl and it says out of stock.????????. How can that be.?????????
I'll have to get the STL so I can print a Slantly!
FYI. That cup won't fit in any cup holder. I made mine tapered with a smaller base to fit in any car
This is really cool, but I would be interested to see how this actually holds up against a Stanley or similar vacuum sealed cups. Project Farm on TH-cam did a test with a bunch of different ones, and it was interesting to see how different cups managed to hold temperatures for long periods of time, while some failed quickly.
Had to grab this file and print in tpu, came out amazing! file at 100% was a little tight hand wash only for me i guess.😅
How can .stl file out of stock? (Slant 3D Open Handle Tumbler .STL)
Great video, you could complement this video and prove your point with thermal data performance of the 3D printed vs stanley cup. Thermocouple inside both device with ambient temperature plotted through time. The time it takes to go from 60C to ambient 23C for example
Love the passion!
Missed out an an excellent opportunity for an office space cut scene 👌
Will you be fixing the STL to be in stock?
Currently available
Fantastic video, great sales pitch.
You are not correct about the vacuum. Vacuum is more than 4 times better insulation at 0.1 mbar. You also cannot seal the air inside in 3d printed model. That means that additional heat transfer will occur through the micro holes. You argue that there is a heat transfer on the neck where 2 metal cylinders are connected to clove the vacuum chamber. That is correct, but the heat loss there is small, because the area of that part is small. It is not a problem and should not be used as argument in the way you used it. The TPU or any other rubber material is quite bad for the handle imho. I think you have created a new type of product. It is not Stanley, but u can do it cheaper and it is usually enough for the every day cup with some thermal insulation. I would say it is great of what you did. A bit more physics knowledge would help with arguments . :)
This guy is a clown. Most of what he says is straight up not true.
Where can i get one
Cool video. I’m surprised you didn’t use 45 degree angles on the top and bottom of the inside of the handle to avoid the overhang.
Do you have any recommended print settings for this?
I used .22 layer height, 3 walls, no supports, cubic infill at 15% for maximum insulation, I used PLA+ but you'll probably be better served using PETG.
@@owenl7598 Thank you. That is almost exactly what I used. Also using PETG. Also FWIW I scaled the STL up to 104% to get the liner to fit. AMAZON no longer has the plain silver ones.
@@4x4ff I'm using a painted black one in lieu of silver, does 104% fit yours?
This would be so cool to use one of those copper filaments that have a patina .
Also, the liners you have listed in your link will not fit into the printed cup.
^^^^This! Liner is too large for the printed STL file.
Hmmm, what about the dishwasher? I know Stanley’s probably aren’t dishwasher safe, but having something that is would be nice. Yes,i know the liner is removable, but it’s going to get skanky over time as well. How can u keep that thing from get super yuck without bs hand washing?
I was dreaming about making a tumbler with glass inner liner instead of aluminum, that would be cool. If you care more about the taste than the temperature glass is better. I hate the taste of water when I drink it from a metal bottle.
Also I'd love to see yours solution for a lid
What if it was printed a vacuum or vacuumed out and sealed? Then the infill area would indeed be a vacuum insulated and would make some interesting testing.
This reminds me of making something in elementary school and being so proud of it that you have to go and tell everyone that walks by SuperVinlin
4:06 Very passionate about the cup lol
Do you have any data comparing thermal testing? I was inspired to design my own tumbler off this video and I've noticed that both PETG and TPU have higher conductivities heat than air so in my tests where I used a naked tumbler and tumbler with thin walls, thick walls, big air gaps, infill patterns, didn't matter, the plastic performed about 4% worse each time than the tumbler by itself because it allows the heat to conduct through it better than just leaving the metal tumbler exposed to the air.
Sidenote it's not to say these things aren't still amazing it still took 8.5 hours to go from 210° to 120° and almost 36 hours for ice water to go from 34° to 48° in both tumblers so still great insulators but the naked one was slightly better always in my tests.
I did some simple testing. Found ice did not really last any longer in the TPU sleeved mug. I suspect the real temp loss is only through the lid and what is lost to the sides transfers just as easy into the TPU.
I agree biggest heat exchange for sure is through the lid no doubt. It was just counterintuitive that my thought, much like I thought I heard mentioned in the video, was that putting additional air gaps and plastic and spacing around the outside of the insulated cylinder would add to its insulating properties and instead, it decreased them a bit.
Between the handle extending too low and the lower body being wider than the liner, I doubt it'll fit in a standard cupholder.
For better insulation, you should make those triangular pockets smaller vertically. Long columns of air are more prone to free convection than shorter pockets. Also not sure about that fact that vacuum seals are mid. You’re gonna have heat transfer around the lid with this anyway. Might as well have zero convection around the sides as well. All love though, totally agree with the premise
$50 for tumbler? what happened to the file i wanted to print and sell. now have to find elsewhere
That's excellent!
How do you go out of stock of an STL file? That makes no sense
If you want small air pocket use cubic infill not triangle
You could make the tolerances more flexible with flanges.
What printer make do you use in your farm?
Custom.
The STL for sale on your site is kind of garbage with that big pointless "handle". It would have been nice if you offered the one you actually showed in the video.
Great 👌
Let’s see an insulation test
A Slanty cup!
Jeez, what a baller sales pitch!
This file isn't available to purchase.
This is honestly an upgrade since it’s able to be washed!
Conduction, convection and radiation are what you're trying to optimise with a tumbler, vacuum insulation cannot conduct thermal energy via conduction or convection, hence is the best insulator by far.
A stainless insert with a 3D printed surround will make a very average tumbler, efficiency wise.
I love 3D printing, but the manufactuing process chosen must be the most appropriate for the products performance. In this case it isn't.
The "stainless insert" they're using is a double wall vacuum cup, so....
@@j.f.christ8421listen from 01:52
When I saw the piece of 80/20 extrusion, I had a moment of dread that this was going to be like the demo of the unbreakable glass in the Tesla Cybertruck that broke during the product launch. 😲
Wolf of Wall Street selling pens out here. Makes me wanna buy a pen though
Ok, so after using it for a while - I love it. However I would make some changes. First take a Toyota Corolla for a test drive - Japanese cup holders are very small, I need a smaller base. Second although the handle is creative, In trying to pick up the cup without looking at it (driving) I need to feed fingers through a handle and pick it up by hanging the top of the handle in the crevice of my thumb.
can you make a video on auto ejecting from printers
Hello, I am planning to build a 3d printer by myself. Please tell me what extruder and nozel you use. Thank you
You...probably aren't ready to build your own 3D printer yet if you're asking that sort of question on a video like this.
Oh, I didn't realise you guys have double walled insert inside and not single walled one like the one I've found. Well, let's hope that the boiling water will anneal it, because printing it in material, that can withstand >100°C would be really costly.
The price for the files is criminally cheap thanks so much
Thank you. Yea, we are gonna see if we can standardize file prices
Tangled labs, please do an episode on the insulating properties of various infills.
even if its breaks like the handle just print a new one if the metal is still good
Its crazy how often youre completely wrong. Definitely in need of a thermo refresher course
I bought the design to print it, but the change in the handle is a problem for me. It might be stronger, but it is now right-handed and I am left-handed. Yeah, I could reverse it, but like most households our handedness is mixxed. I wish I could get the old version.
Don't pay for the files or the insert. I just clicked the links and paid for the print file and the exact insert he links and it doesn't even come close to fitting in the print. Be careful about buying either the print or the insert linked. I don't know If something changed but I wasted my money on this it seems
Make sure you are grabbing the silver one as shown in the video.
You may also have to adjust the sizing of the file depending on the material and printer you are using.
@@slant3d The link went directly to the black and the silver is only avail in qty of 6. What is the diameter of the silver one that you're using? My print came out a few mil too small.
Now I have to wash my monitor because there's coffee all over it. "This is an aluminum bar." :D :D :D
Aim to please
Would love to buy the file without your logo!
Also, looks like the silver liners are already sold out, unless you buy a 6 pack
Does it fit in a car cup holder? I think that is the Stanley sales pitch. This doesn't look like it will.
Yes! Came here to say this. I am by no means a Stanley girl but I do own one because the Stanley (and their closest dupes) fit in a car cup holder easily. Stanley's popularity has very little to do with durability or how long it keeps liquids hot or cold, though it keeps my drinks cold enough for long enough. I accept that I'm not going to be taking this cup camping.
Stanly cup:👎
Slant manly cup:👍