Why Did the Islamic Dynasties Fall? | History of the Middle East 1922-1930 - 15/21
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hitler "idolizing" ataturk is so funny, especially when ataturk had this to say about him: "german people are making a grave mistake bestowing such enormous power upon a mere corporal who had never proven himself on the field of battle nor in affairs of a state.” lol
I think he mostly idolized the genocide parts haha
@@texmj123 There were no genocide parts though. He was idolising having an equal treaty.
The entire video is literally nothing more than an anti ataturk propaganda. I mean I'm not saying that he did this inentionally but the sources he used were well, too biased.
@@texmj123 yeah, he could've gone for many other ottoman pashas whose involvement in the armenian genocide and greek massacres are certain, and not for a man who adressed the genocide a shameful act before the national parliament and denied entry the main perpetrator in the country, an irrelevant colonel in the west detached from the chain of command all the while the genocide of the armenians was taking place in the east. anyway, boo hitler.
Well Ataturk was clearly proven wrong. Hitler volunteered and survived one of the most dangerous jobs in the war, and his domestic state policy was a fabulous success for the economy and livelihoods of the German people.
bro went from 10 parts, to 15 parts, to 21 parts
what's next, 27 parts?
Honestly, it's not out of the question.
I thought I'd get to the end of WW1 in 10 parts but, took about 4 parts to set the scene. Then figured it didn't make sense to end on just saying "and these are the new nations..." as I got too interested in what happened next. So a large part of this, is becoming more for me just being interested in it ha. Even if the later episodes get no views, I'll still crack on with it.
Now, part 20 only ends on with the Suez Crisis, and I'm working on Part 21 which mainly covers the many coups of the late 50s. Maybe continue on to the Islamic Revolution of Iran? First Gulf war? I have no idea atm.
Maybe it could be like your china series, where you just continue till the modern day, though it might be difficult being neutral in these matters with all of the different polarizing viewpoints...@@JabzyJoe
@@JabzyJoeplease brother make a series on indian subcontinent also. I beg you my brother 🙏
@@JabzyJoeare they all in label order? Will I get em all if I watch the big couple hour compilation one
@@JabzyJoepersonally I would love for you to go all the way to our current times.
So much of late 20th century and 21st century in the middle east is completely misunderstood and unknown in the west, so it would be a great addition to the series.
To People in the comments, revenge does not create peace but only more hate and atrocities. No matter how vile the crime committed the children and children’s children do not bear the responsibility ancestors actions. we should remember all of these crimes and acknowledge them as such, on both sides. Yet we should not hate each other for only what our nation or people did in the past. Both the Turks and the Balkans did do atrocities against each other, and these crimes should be remembered and not forgotten yet we shouldn’t compare them in scope for national pride nor claim revenge against people who never met the perpetrators or never did any harm or crime in their lives
Man i just came from a communist guerrilla movement and i agree with you whole heartedly. Everywhere i see people justifying murder of people they're ideologically against
This series are epic mate
Your work and effort is tremendous.
These videos are so underrated
Unfortunately it can be very racist,..Eygpt is a colonised state,..Africa is the ancestral homeland of black people,
...Muslims invaded Africa in 640AD,...the same that the Palestinians are fighting for their homeland,..why is the black fight to reclaim their homeland from Muslims,not given the same amount of headlines?
human immigration is there since the dawn of history
the Palestinian cause is not a cause of Arabs, or national movement, it is an Islamic one with Arab and national aspects, but it's fought in name of religion.
Black is a racist theory and cause, while even in nationalistic sense, the refugees from Palestine are still there and they are recognizable
they can point out the homes that were stolen
we emphasize the nationalistic element to win the sympathy of non Muslims, and the Arab aspect to remind Arabs that they are the closest Muslims,
as you see the lines between people go by:
1- religion
2- language
3- ethnic or group identification
4- tribal lines
5- land and family relations
for a Palestinian, we would mention their land and family to further incentive them.
but all is inferior to the religion duty, luckily though, anyone can be Muslim, no need for race or over-complicated procedures.
by saying two sentence, praying fives times a day, fasting Ramadan, paying a yearly religious tax to the poor and paying a visit to Mecca once in a lifetime if possible.
and in the believe of six pillars:
allah and his books and angels and prophets
the day of judgement,
the destiny,
black is vague as white, only came due to interaction with the outer group
people never saw themselves as white until recently.
they identified with their religion tribe and village or political allegiance to a certain king
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@@user-bk7wp4bx5n ...clearly you hold racist views and do not see black people as even people in most respect,...but your a light skinned muslim,of vourse you see black people as lesser than but only in your mind would you say that in front of a black person of knowledge,..fortunately I know how racist the world view of muslims is,..but unfortunately not many black educated black people have taken the time the research islam without being swayed by a story of offal,...so your opinion matters not,I already know the answer,...I speak & read Arabic better than you...🤔
Such an interesting series. The graphics really help the presentation, visuals are so important to me. I still haven't watched the last part in full yet but I'm working on it.
I have now watched the whole video, thank you Jabzy for your (mostly) historically accurate representation of events.
Man this series gets better and better whenever a new one comes out imo
The middle east has fallen
Billions did in fact die.
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billions 😭
It's so over
Great series! But could you show some of your sources? It would be most helpful! Cheers!
The Middle East is a tragic story.
Yeah Europe's WW1 WW2 30y war 7y war 100y war, Napoealonic wars, truly tragic continent
the 1800-1900s were tragic for Muslims other than that it was generally quite with regular mutinies from time to time and fairly limited central government
It's worse ,a unfunny comedy
Very detailed and informative💖💖
Read an actual history book. Jabzy is a clown.
Thanks for your great series about the Middle East
Thank you so much!
We Iranians call him Reza Shah-e Bozorg (the Great), the saviour of Eranshahr
Yes this is what Soviets and Britain invented iran and got rid of him
Best history channel. Huge thank you to you Jabzy.
What a fantastic series.
Can you please share the sources that you consulted in making of this entire video series on modern Middle East. I would be very grateful to you as it would help me in getting deeper insights.❤
I don't think he has reliable resources.
20:38 As much as Ataturk disbanded the party, he supported them at first. Claiming that that an opposition must exist in a democratic state. But anti-kemalists and islamic fundementalists began to accumulate within the party and wanted to use the party overthrow Ataturk. that was the real reason party got disbanded.
31:00 Reza Shas's justice minister, Ali Akbar Daavar, once said, paraphrasing, "Iranians won't join the civilisation, of their own accord!"
Funnily enough, Reza Shah actually implemented two of the three demands of the previous national assemblies before taking over the reign:
1. A united country
2. A strong army
Please consider leaving the list of sources for this video available so we can know where the information for your videoes are coming from. Thanks ❤❤ as always for your videos.
Please have a list of sources in the video description or in a comment somewhere so we can investigate this topic further. Love your videoes ❤.
Please make a video on how Africa's borders should have been drawn to avoid conflict.
Bro can you do such video about the history of Algeria from Ottoman rule to French 1962?
Great Reza Shah❤
12:08 This is false. Laws were put into place forbidding Greeks to attain certain jobs; but this policy was not instituted in the 30s, but the 60s (1964 if I'm not mistaken). Also these laws were not about targeting Turkish Citizens of Greek ethnicity, but Greek migrants living in Turkey. After the said law passed, roughly 12k Greek migrants were deported to Greece throughout 1964-65; and with them 30k Greeks left Turkey due to the anti-Greek sentiment caused by the Cyprus Crisis.
1932 Law on Activities and professions in Turkey
@@JabzyJoe Firstly; my mistake, there is such a law authored in 1932 as you've stated. Secondly; again the law only effects Greek Nationals residing in Turkey, not Turkish Citizens of Greek ethnic background.
You are talking about Law 2007, named "Law on arts and services allocated to Turkish citizens in Turkey".
I would like to say as a turk some of us do not inculude cyprus and the greek thrace as a part of misaki milli
13:28 Think it this could have been phrased better as MacKenzie King, Prime Minister of Canada. as his name makes things confusing
@Jabzy, when you finish your MEast Series, combine all the videos into one and dub it '12hour long MidEast Cluster fudge ASMR'
Do you think when it comes to this series as we move into the post WW1 Period the quotes from the various foreign secretaries of the European powers.
That way people can understand the opinions of and the foreign policy of the European great powers now we’ve left some of the more direct efforts of Europeans in ww1.
Armenia, Georgia and Yerevan isn't Yerevan the capital of Armenia?
Modern Armenia is located in Yerevan region whose capital bears the same name while Armenia used to extend to a greater region .
Where was this mentioned?
@@JabzyJoe 0:12
@@TeeTee-zm2re Oh damn, I'm an idiot. Cheers.
As someone who had been to Afghanistan and Turkey, I find these stories very fascinating…
36:00 It's really sad that Afghans fancy themselves as Aryans, but, then cling to the Bedouin religion of Islam, as if their lives depend on it!
In the 1970s, the Pashtun tribes rose once again, as the Communist-led Kabul government aimed to create a more equal society!
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They are more Aryan than anyone
Middle eastern problem didn’t start in 1900s, It started with abolishing of Feudalism in 500s caused by arab conquest. From that point in history the name of the game is who is the most powerful tribe today.
31:13 Why is the mosque giving me the middle finger?
because that's what Islam thinks of none Muslims and especially Jews
Why dont you cite sources?!?
Because he just says whatever fits his narrative
No evidence just vibes
Hell
Based Pahlavi dynasty Reza shah was a great monarch.
he was a ruthless dictator who got clapped by the United Kingdom and the Soviets during ww2
He was a great king. It’s astonishing he achieved many of the Ataturk achievements without bloodshed or genocide.
@@soroushmahmoudiandehkordi4858 without violence? He might not have been Stalin or Hitler, but the Shah was a terror to the people all the same...
@@Theaudacity787 He was a necessary dictator for the country like back in ancient Roman republic
If it wasn't for him, Iran would have been divided between tribal leaders and rebels a long time ago
Really ? Wanna bring up Soviet and British empire ? The most powerful land and sea forces of their time in the whole world ? LOL
@@SCA440 Iran would have end up like Afghanistan if it wasn’t because of him. He didn’t do any ethnic cleansing or didn’t enforce any language except in schools. He built all the necessary modern establishments such as banks, insurance, modern education, modern army, infrastructures and so on. Of course he was a terror to communist and Islamist.
Interesting fact, Colonel Pessian was an accomplished fighter pilots in Germany during ww1, shooting down more than 25 enemy fighter pilots.
Did Ataturk have any Turanist aspirations like Enver Pasha?
No. Atatürk was much more realistic in what a Turkish state should have been. Enver Pasha, for intents and purposes, was an incompetent leader, both militarily and politically. The Three Pashas almost single handily sped up the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Atatürk and his allies were the ones who prevented Turkey from becoming a rump state, which is what would’ve happened.
@@prestondobber Modern Pan-Turkists seem to be inspired by Ataturk though, they even quote his words
@@gro2020As I often like to say, modern Turks love Ataturk but they don't really understand him
@@gro2020 cuz Ataturk’s legacy has been twisted by many different Turk ideological factions… like 80% of Turks idolize Ataturk, who was an atheist in all but name, yet 40% of the population votes for an Islamist party. Ataturk also recognised the massacres of the Ottoman Empire against Armenians and Assyrians, but it has been the opinion of over 90% of modern Turks that these massacres either didn’t happen or were justified.
Mustafa Kemal was a crypto 🕎
my question to you is why till this day islamic form of goverment still popular? look at turkiye its 50/50, iran calls itself it an islamic republic and taliban says their law is based on quran... if the western form of secular political system is superior, wouldnt it be 0% percent people supporting islamic style government system?
Holy shit, I knew the Greco Turkish war was bad, but I had no idea it was THIS bad. How did everyone just stand around and let that happen???
He’s telling it one sided. There was 5.5 million Turkish civilians, not soldiers that got massacred during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. He doesn’t even mention the 1.6 million massacred civilians during the Balkan wars and all the mosques that were burnt down by Europeans couple years before this happened.
@@thedarkpassenger84 This is outright bullshit. That many turks were not killed in either WW1 or the balkan wars. That's more than died all combined even including soldiers.
You can look it up @@pax6833
hmm maybe other side was busy with genociding millions of turks on the balkans?
Reza Shah 👑
If the Pahlavi didn't came Iran would have been split or not modernized worser than Pakistan or Afghanistan
He pahlavi is SHIT that try too cope ATATURK so much but he FEEL
All these khans. Seems like there’s an inflation of the title
we agree upon greeks setting fire to thousands of towns and villages upon their retreat from western anatolia, but for the fire of smyrna we give credit to the turks, due to some dubious accounts. seems suspicious, especially the part where a people setting fire to a city they just liberated.
I actually give credits to the Turks for everything
Seemed sus that the minorities were effected the most and turkey refused to help them
Or to be helped
Never before in the course of human history, has an advancing army sacked a City they have taken and killed mainly, the ethnic groups they were fighting against.
i know right? if only there was an event like that written in a religious book of sort. @@JabzyJoe
for real though, that was such a common event that we probably know less then 10% of the times this happened
24:27 Atatürk was not a Pan-Turkist, you can read his own work: Civics Lessons for the Citizen.
I said he wasn't.
@@JabzyJoe "Atatürk never allowed Enver to return to Turkey, despite his Pan-Turkish beliefs." I may have a problem understanding what it says, since English is not my first language, but I don't think I misunderstood it.
@@onatdeveci5502 I then elaborate and say he focused more on anatolian civilizations and gave up the idea of pan-turkism
@@JabzyJoe He was never in favor of Pan-Turkism though, this is why I commented.
@onatdeveci5502 The turkish Republics idea I meant to say. As in the policy of the likes of Enver Pasha.
Maybe poorly worded, but there's a lot on his focus on Anatolian civilizations.
You mean armenia georgia and azerbaijan? 0:12
Megalidea has fallen
23:55 Well he isn't really wrong modern TURKS are related to ANCENT ANATOLIANS
bro i can't understand this video is a propoganda of greeks or Armenians or Why Did the Islamic Dynasties Fall? | History of the Middle East 1922-1930 - 15/21 could you explain to me ?
Propaganda for Greece yet spend a long time highlighting their atrocities?... stop being a victim haha
He has a 45 minute video explaining it actually you should watch it
@@JabzyJoe
if you want to show it objectively show how things came to turkey before.
first millions of turks genocided by russians in first crimea then causcasus then it hit to eastern anatolia and they try to mask it with 'armenian rebellion' if we didnt stop it it was complete genocide to turks in anatolia.
second again millions of turks genocided in balkans systematically. look the records since first greek rebellion. serbs bulgars greeks all banished massacred millions.
anatolia was last stand. people defend their homes.
Let it never be said that genocide cannot be a effective national policy. 😩
There is only one genocider nation that is acknowledge with the after war treaties.
If you wan to know which nation was that just check Lausanne 1923 article 59.
You need to stop spreading lies. This is some of the most biased version of history I’ve ever heard.
And one more thing qadiani who is known as Ahmed I not Muslim also
Lots of biases against Ataturk..
Jabzy literally quoted Mehmet Bayrak, I can't think of a worse source to quote. He should have done better.
@@onatdeveci5502 the whole Atatürk section needs to be redone, so much misinformation..
@@mrhaci7747 I agree Mr. Ecevit.
Man.. So many misinformation in this video. First of all, early "kurdish" rebellions were not intended to create a kurdish state. Likes of sheih said only wanted to create an feudal autonomy which he'd rule with sharia. The only kurdish nationalist rebellion in early Turkish state history is the Ararat rebellion. People were also not executed for disobeying the hat law. Protests got very heated during which some shots were fired, that's how people died.
Ya the turks created everything.....ha ha ha
They I'ven you
Nice no source about the genocides mentioned. I guese you should be thankfull we eleminated al the dinosaurs.
Source about who. Even Erdogan acknowledges it. Most turks dispute it about numbers but many deny it like you
the middle East... sucks we middle Easterna need to chill .
This is really funny, Invader Greeks occupy Anatolia and commit genocide against the Turks But you say turks make genocide
if you knew history you would realize the Turks are not native to Anatolia, colonizing it and ethnically cleansed the Greeks and Armenians out of Anatolia (who are more native to the place then any turk in the place)
also he said both committed genocides, it's not a black and white case.
@@user-oy2zg3bt6n Greeks and Armenians invaded Anatolia by ethnically cleansing the native Anatolians , so? Europeans colonized Europe by ethnically cleansing Neanderthals, so? This is ridiculous, Turks are the indigenous people of Anatolia and Anatolia is the land of the Turks.
1. no Turks aren't the natives of Anatolia the Greeks and Armenians were there first (when compared to any other ethnic group that still exists)@@Knowledgeisfact-il6rr
Turk came from central Asia (where all the countries that end with "Stan" are) they came through military conquest and mass migration because of turbulence in their home region.
2. you do realize Neanderthals aren't a race of people and that they died to/genetically mixed with homo-sapiens not "Europeans", not only that they died a literal AGE ago (during the ice age).
*if you want to go so far back into Neanderthals times then at this point NO ONE is native to NOWHERE* nationalities? groups? didn't exist yet!
3. i would like to ask of you, do you think only Europeans are colonizers? if that's your opinion then you are TERRIBLY wrong and i can point out examples of none Europeans colonizing other none Europeans:
1. Japan's colonization of Hokkaido (east Asian on east Asian)
2. the Israelite's conquest of Canaan (middle easterners on other middle easterners)
3. the Islamic caliphates which made Arab colonialization (middle easterners upon other middle easterners and north Africans)
it was something all of man kind did, just like how slavery existed everywhere and wasn't native to or invented in Europe.
@@user-oy2zg3bt6n Greeks and Armenians make ethnically cleansed and colonized native Anatolians like the Hittites. Then greekized them, so Greeks and Armenians are invader imperialists..
@@user-oy2zg3bt6nWe are talking about thousands of years ago, then no land belonged to anyone. So Everyone in the world has migrated, so It is nonsense to say that the Greeks are indigenous but the Turks are not indigenous. Turks are the owners of these lands , The Greeks who occupied Turkish lands after the First World War are invaders!
@Jabzy unbelievable. Hypocritical guy doesn't say a thing of Greece's scorched earth policy. But then immediately blames Turkey for "genociding" Greeks. How horribly biased can you be?! Constantly downplayed Turks killed by Greeks Bulgarians and Russians in Balkans but immediately blames Turkey of genociding.
I spend a lot of time discussing the scorched earth policy of Greece. Did you watch the video?
Apologies. You mentioned it in a single sentence. Doesnt change the fact that the video is biased against TR as hell. Saying correct things or being honest doesn't mean you are also unbiased. You are consistently showing ONE SIDE of the story while downplaying the other.
1:00 "AnOtHeR gEnOcIdE bY tUrkS" off to a great start, if this is HOW you start then you will only look for things to prove your point. You literally start biased. The moment Greeks landed on izmir they started plundering and killing Turkish civilians. Even when you mention Turkish massacres by Greeks you dont mention any genocide but when it comes to Turks you immediately slap the word genocide, this is HYPOCRISY.
Then you continue giving quotes from biased resources in the west who were supporting their christian brethren since the beginning.
And then your ridiculous take on Izmir. We even have eye witnesses from 3rd party saying that "ottoman officers" had Christian crosses on their neck. Disgruntled Greeks burned their houses down rather than giving it to Turks. Yet you NEVER mention those eye witnesses. This is why you are BIASED and hypocritical. @@JabzyJoe
@bhyesilnil5 I give numerous sources of the Greeks torturing, burning down villages etc.
Otherwise, it's part 15... check out the parts before. It'll explain why I said another genocide... include Armenians, assyrians and, many Lebanese include themselves. I'm skeptical the last one is a genocide though.
Like I said on Smyrna it's disputed. But, just going off the ethnicity of the victims, numerous eyewitness accounts and, the dynamite in churches. My money is on Turkey.
Here's a challenge. Say something bad Turkey has done.
He literally word for word says “the Greeks pursued a scorched earth policy” you people are morons lmao. Getting upset at having to actually learn your country’s history and not what you’re spoon fed in Turkish “schools”?
@@JabzyJoe yea that's the thing. You never care about Turkish civilian losses in the Balkans. But you immediately label atrocities against Greeks/Armenians as genocide. This is Hypocrisy.
Of course your money will be there you are biased as hell.
They refused any progress and in the end their stagnation has killed them.
Challenge to you: say anything positive about turkey.
The comparison of the Turks to the Nazis is ridiculous. Ideologically speaking Ataturk was a man of the enlightenment and a student of the French Revolution. In other words everything the Nazis weren't. Furthermore, the inter-ethnic massacres which occured between Turks, Greeks, Armenians and Kurds cannot at all be compared to the Holocaust. For such a comparison to be feasible one would have to assume that the holocaust was a reaction to a massive armed rebellion against the central government during time of war, which also allied itself with the enemy invading powers.
Exactly there is a difference the Turks were reactionary and the national socialists were revolutionary against business conglomerates, the international cartel and media barons
The Armenians “revolted” because the Turks were already killing them and were about to kill even more. Of course they joined the Russians, they were gonna be raped and butchered by the Turks.
Or what? Arabs, Greeks, Serbs, Armenians, Assyrians, Maronites, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Croats, Kurds, Georgians, Bulgarians and Romanians all hate Turks for no reason? If every single one of your neighbors hate you it’s because of a good reason. Turks cry and deny so much as if they’re victims more than anyone else all while being one of the most brutal people of the past millennium. The only people who share Turkish views on history are other Turks, maybe if you had actual educations you wouldn’t have to be servicing a Berlin glory hole to afford bread in Ankara.
The Armenians only revolted because the Turks were in the process of slaughtering them. Of course they joined the Russians, they were literally saving them from annihilation at the hands of the Turks. Your history is so shameful your entire country has to believe a lie about it in order to be proud to be Turkish. Sorry not a lie. Like 20 lies for every genocide you carried out
The Turks literally genocided two groups of people in a span of thirty years in their own territories. Yeah the comparison works.
This is exactly our problem. We give the nickname Great to people who stray away from the commandments of Islam. I object to the rule of politician Ataturk, not to the commander. From 🇹🇷
He is the only reason Turkey is not a shithole like Afghanistan (the real muslims)
Starts speaking about genocide of Balkan wars. One third of Balkan Muslims were *illed, other third was expelled, and the last stayed being pressured to asimilate. We will not forget what enemies did to us.
Muslims weren't innocent either
All nations did bad things. You don't need to forget but don't blame who had nothing to do with it
@@MtiuliBichiI disagree
@@MtiuliBichi just wait for next round😂
Womp womp
32:45 Time is a flat circle.
honestly Attaturk's nationalism is intense enough to be considered fascist
Funniest thing is that fascism wes created by europeans + I don't see you condemning the atrocities committed bay greek british and french against the TURKS
Most countries have a history,
turkey has a criminal record
Also a Long list of stealing from other people's culture
keep crying grik
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The only one to be successful was Turkey in terms of keeping most of the post-Islamic dynasties' ideals
Say what you want about Ataturk, he successfully transformed the country from being colonized to standing on its own. There is a reason why Turkish culture and society and its place in the geopolitical world is the way it is
Iran was colonized and had alot of Western intervention. by the time the Shah was ousted, it was because a Western puppet state and very brutal. Similar to Turkey, Iran, and Israel are the only native populations in the Middle East to have its own powerful armies compared to its Arab neighbors. The Shah was a failure because he refused to change but ironically Iran was more religious under the Shah than the Ayatollah.
Afghanistan is much more isolated and tribal than Iran and Turkey so it was never going to have any successful Western-style power outside of the Kabul area. Even now under a Taliban that wishes to be apart of the geopolitical sphere, it is very isolated and tribal. The communist era had some success but nothing compared to the other 2 countries
Iran/ Persia has never been colonised, but invaded, , furthermore unlike Turkey Iran has never needed to fabricate a national identity , Iranian Epic book " Shahnamé " and ancient Greek historians have testified the authenticity of Iranian / Persian identity and culture in the region .
@@majidbineshgar7156 The definitely have: Alexander the great, Abbasid Caliphate, etc.
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@@texmj123 Invasion is different from colonisation in the sense that colonisation imposes an alien language and culture to a place whereas invasion cannot transform a strong nation with own cultural heritage and language, example thereof is Spain that was invaded by the Arabs for over 8 centuries but the Spanish managed to maintain their own language and culture .
@@majidbineshgar7156Turkey never needed to fabricate it's national identity. It was always there but suppressed under the islamic ruled states. Even Iran was at one point ruled by turkish rulers during the seljuc era and later on by the Qizilbas with shah Ismail, who was turkish in origin. Even some of Irans Shahs know and can speak turkish. Perhaps Iran is the one that needs to fabricate it's own identity. The 1910's and 1920's was the time of nation building. If you didn't form a cohesive union based on language and a common culture you were bound to be deemed uncivilized and colonized by bigger powers. Turkey did that and reawakened it's national identitiy, because Islam wasn't really the unifying factor people make it out to be. When the Ottomans declared jihad on the western powers, it was relatively ignored by the larger muslim world. Muslims even fought in the british, french armies against the ottomans.
If turk kill "genocide"
It turk die "not genocide"
I really like how biased you are. It is not surprising that us turks are so defensive against the accusations towards us.
It is sad that you can't see past your biases and many people buy into it. Turkish hands are not clean, but the fingers that point at us are much dirtier.
What are you on about? He brought up the violence against Turks multiple times. I'm starting to think you Turks simply refuse to acknowledge that the retaliatory attacks were nowhere comparable to what your state did.
Sounds about accurate going from the comments. It feels like a script at this point.
@JabzyJoe or you know, we are used to this bs? Invading powers had their own propaganda. They are still working fine lol, it is just that. I literally have no respect for someone who would refer the events during the liberation of izmir as genocide yet still doesn't say the same thing for the greek occupiers' actions.
So, no, you are not being smart or anything. Witty comments won't help.
@bigunfunny2322 its the narrative.
"Turks committed genocide but the greeks didn't do that, they were just a little brutal"
That is pure bias that we are sick of seeing.
Long story short, he is just narrating the propaganda of the time.
@@korayhasarckl6303Turk lost ww1 of course the British would make them seem like villains. Even though both Greek and Turk are doing the exact same thing to each other. After all History written by the victor.
Least the Greeks eventually stopped committing genocide, the Turks on the other hand certainly have not. What more need be said?
The bloody christmas says otherwise
The three men in the thumbnail were pretty bad leaders. One of them wasn't even Islamic.
maybe thats why they're in the thumbnail of a video about dynasties falling
@@bewertsam not everyone knows that these were bad leaders who were quite unIslamic. To call the later Imperial State of Iran an "Islamic Dynasty" would be like calling North Korea a democratic Republic. Nothing Islamic and religious persecutions or secular "modernizations"
There's a Western+Christian consensus to see historical events as genocide if the peoples that are killed are Christian. If it's Muslims, Jews or others, they're pretty reluctant. Actually, genocidally reluctant. First of all, genocide is political term invented in 1946 after the Western Christians murdered Jews. Genocide is a Western disease. Secondly, what the Ottomans did was a forced relocation of the Armenians (not even a deportation because Armenians [who were massacring Muslim villagers] stayed) within the state borders. Ottomans have forcibly relocated many Turkic tribes as well. It was a common practice to move populace elsewhere when they revolted or caused troubles. Thirdly, how come Armenians living in the western part of the Ottoman state flourished and lived off relatively well, if what Ottomans intended was a wholesale destruction of an ethnic group.? Fourthly, why does Armenia refuse to open up their archives for the further investigation of the alleged genocide, while Turkey insists on forming a joint research committee? Armenians living in Turkey can and are members of the parliament today. Can the same thing be said for a Turk living in Armenia? Who hides the evidence? The victims, or the murderers? What happened in Hodjali while the whole Western Christian narrative stayed silent? What happened in Bosnia,while the whole Western Christian narrative stayed silent? As I said before, genocide is a western disease, invented and inflicted to humanity, by the Western Club members. If you want to learn more about the Armenian atrocities committed on the Muslim civilians, read "Dahnaksutyun Has Nothing More To Do" by Hovhannes Katchaznouni, the first president of Armenia. Or read Pushkin's novel, "Journey to the East" to find out how rooted the Armenian genocides on Muslims had been (150 years, on and off, as the Russians invaded Eastern borders of the Ottoman Empire.)
Nope. I've said the French pretty much genocided many Algerian groups. The Russians genocided Circassians and will say the Italians genocided the Libyans. Among many others.
It's just easy for you to portray the whole world as against you for some evil reason, as then you require no self reflection. It's far easier than asking yourself "why is it so many people wanted to break away and keep at arms length from you?"
Even the Germans have been able to repair relations with nations. British and Irish get along well. But Turkey gets along with who? Syria, no. Iraq, no. Armenia, no. Greece, no. Who?
Maybe Azerbaijan, but they were for the longest time under Persian or Russian rule.
So is it a world attempt to turn everyone against the Turks? Why?
Britain saved the Ottoman Empire dozens of times and then just decided "no wait, we hate them and they're evil now. Let's make up lies about them." What's the point in that? Why the change of heart around the time of the Red Sultan?
Or like you bring up things like Bosnia... the West did condemn it. Constantly. But again. Why throw it to the West? Why not self-reflect and think "hey, where was the Islamic world? Wiggling fingers in the background? Is that enough? Should we condemn the West over every issue and do nothing ourselves, like our Turkic brothers in China?.... no... easier to the blame the West. Blame the West for everything bad ever."
@@JabzyJoeMillions of Turks were massacred and exiled = no genocide
Invader Greeks who were massacring Turks were stopped= genocide,😭 turks kill innicont ancient christians
Shame on u anti-turk.
who gets along with Turkey? i would have said Israel for a while but ever since Erdogan friendship there is practically on fire, *especially with the current war going on.*@@JabzyJoe
maybe Iran?
@@JabzyJoeWell said. 👏
Why you don't talk about European mas*sacres against natives at America, Australia, Asia, and Africa?
When Muslims and Jewishs faced with inspections at Spain they moved to Ottoman Empire and lived in peace.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe Tasmania and Virigia are part of the Middle East. Therefore they won't be included as part of Middle Eastern History.
Correct me if I'm wrong though.
I didn't say that they are part of Middle East. I only mentioned you about.
@@lawclinic5947 Why did you mention him about it then??? This guy has done more than 15+ videos in a row specifically focusing on MIDDLE EASTERN history. Why are you complaining about him not going over other continental history in a video on specifically middle eastern history???
@@lolactus8908 Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe he gets equally angry when there's no mention of the Rwandan Genocide when reading books about the Greco-Persian Wars.
So he could also be upset that I didn't bring up the Rape of Nanking, the Cambodian Genocide or Aztec Human Sacrifice. He surely isn't specifically just angry that I didn't highlight Western Crimes. He, like all good people, believes all crimes are equal.
He simply just believes that all history should be mentioned at all times - regardless of the topic.
Want to talk about Caesar? Well, why not also mention the Stock Market Collapse.
Discuss the Middle East in the 20s? Talk about Colonisation of North America in the 1600s.
It's a simple and noble rule we should all live by at all times.
A less forgiving person would just see it as a lazy whataboutism. Not me though.
Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan, those are muslim country which avoid colonization
Mustafa Kamal isn't even Muslim
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Right he is TURKIS
This guy talks rubbish, who was those europian american were with greek at war with turkey so they could not be a witnesses, lol
What are you talking about? You believe there were no foreigners in Turkey at the time?
@@JabzyJoeI think they are saying that because the allies were at war with the ottomans, their accounts of the genocides cannot be trusted. I wouldnt acknowledge most of these comments but have a lot of respect for the fact you do. Too many children on all sides, huffing copium for their grandfathers' crimes
Turkey never committed any genocide, not to Armenians nor the Greeks. The reason that Greek population in Turkey is less than it used to be is we did a population exchange. The same happened the Turks in Greece. Everyone blames the Turks for stuff we didn’t even did but no one talks about Greeks genociding Turks in Izmir to make the city more Greek and to be able to occupy it or how they burnt down innocent villages and killed innocent Turks. Greeks did terrible things but you can’t see Turks crying about it. The only people crying are Armenians and Greeks and the reasons are not even real.
Literally every video is filled with Turkish people listing the crimes of Balkan nations.
Hami Askoy for instance said a few years ago: "Greece systematically annihilated Turks and Muslims in the region during and after the period of independence from the Ottoman Empire."
Last year the Turkish Historical Society held a panel called “Greek Uprising and Terror: Tripolitsa Massacre.” Daily Sabah publishes a bunch of articles to keep on highlighting the issues. Like:www.dailysabah.com/opinion/op-ed/why-we-forget-how-we-remember-the-tripolice-massacre
Or they define those who accept the Armenian Genocide a "Self-Hating Turk" - www.dailysabah.com/op-ed/2019/02/07/self-hating-turks-and-the-genocide-debate
Otherwise, there was a population exchange with the Greeks. But, hundreds of thousands of Greeks were killed and there were pogroms in Istanbul afterwards.
But, are you also claiming there was a population with the Armenians as well?
You are a liar and a deceiver.
The Greeks and Armenians, like many other peoples, were autochthonous or native populations of Anatolia. The Turks were not in Asia Minor until the 11th-12th century, when the Seljuks moved west (and just try to make up nonsense that you are, in fact, descendants of Caucasian Albanians, because you are NOT), and then for 8 centuries the Turks consistently assimilated the province, capturing more and more new territories. The culmination of this was the multiple genocides of the Ottoman Empire - in Bulgaria, Serbia, Macedonia, in the Pontus region, in the territories bordering modern Armenia and in Smyrna too.
Before the war, the ratio of Greeks to Turks was 1 to 3. After the war, out of several million, a couple hundred thousand remained.
The most terrible thing is not that you destroyed objects of ancient culture and killed millions of ordinary citizens, but that in your stupidity and arrogance you blame the opposite side for all sins.
dude he literally talked about Izmir and greek crimes against humanity. get help
@@JabzyJoeMillions of Turks were massacred and exiled = no genocide
Invader Greeks who were massacring Turks were stopped= genocide,😭 turks kill innicont ancient christians
Shame on u anti-turk..
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