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- The MOST Disappointing Pokemon in Scarlet and Violet
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Pokemon has released a ton of new Pokemon in titles of Scarlet and Violet. Some Pokemon such as Miraidon and Koraidon have exceeded thier battle expectations and have been dominant since day one. Other such as Clodsire came out of nowhere and become and a mainstay staple in high tiers of singles competitive play. However in this video, I cover Pokemon that kind of underachieved and were a major disappointment to the community. Let me know in the comments what you guys think of the list of the most disappointing Pokemon in Scarlet and Violet.
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If Toedscruel didn't have Mycelium Might, it would have been absolutely broken. 100 Speed and a 100% accurate sleep move would have been super-unhealthy for any metagame.
Tbf the same could be said for last respects and rage fist, yet they exist
@@gjmguy7994 Except Gamefreak balances for VGC, which is a doubles format where you bring a team of six Pokemon but only use four in a single match. The power of those two moves is lessened in this format in that Annihilape can simply be double targeted, and Last Respects can only be (realistically) powered up three times. The power of these moves only becomes obscene in a 6-on-6 singles format. It's the same reason why entry hazards and stall overall don't work too well in VGC.
it just feels really backwards. It's not an awful ability but it just has negative synergy with the stats. Wish it were slower and bulkier but still had mm
I can understand the initial idea of mycelium might. Have it spore someone after an attack to not waste a sleep turn and then use it's speed to capitalize on that.
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Scovillain also just... Feels like a middle evolution. I want a third stage where it turns into a three headed Hydra with a yellow pepper and gets it's stats a bit better allocated.
I like the idea of a third stage, and to shake it up the third stage could be two forms, one Physical and the other Special. That way Scovillain lets you play as a mixed attacker and the final stage lets you play as your preferred style.
The fact we actually did get a grass Hydra in Gen 9 with Hydrapple says it all tbh... :/
@@lynxfresh5214 I mean, it was an evo for a gen 8 evolution line. Maybe in gen 10 we can get a Scovillain evolution too.
@@christianpena7748 have it evolve into one of the two forms based on which stat is higher, attack or special attack. Then you can redistribute the stats
That Iron Thorns in the pear suit on the thumbnail needs a hug.
Smash, next question
Even Scream Tail who’s currently PU, has a niche in every other tier, and has success in VGC.
Scovilain is an easy fix - Give it an evolution based on a hydra. And each head can have a different colour .
And maybe let there be a Ruinous crown/mask
Tbf Scovillain's tiering is kinda up in the air at the moment, because Sun has recently taken off in NU, possibly being broken because of Specs Scovillain abuse, so there are discussions about intervening on Drought or even banning Scovillain.
Still we're not talking about OU, but at least it's something
I was an Iron Thorns fan the moment I saw its shiny. It’s pretty much the only Future Paradox mon to rock the monochrome look, it really fits the Mechagodzilla look and it makes me so bummed its bad 😭
The big problem with future paradoxes will always be the lack of terrain setters. Torkoal and sun will always be more useful than Pincurchin. If more pokemon got electric surge and surge surfer, then the future paradoxes would be much better. But as it stands, they're fighting with no ability most of the time, and unless you're min-maxed like bundle or as versatile as Valiant, that just doesn't cut it anymore.
I’ve been saying we need more terrain setters for a while now. Not just for competitive’s sake, but also for the sake of availability. Only Psychic & Electric Surge are on standard Pokémon that could be placed in almost any regional dex, with Grassy & Misty Surge being locked behind a starter and a regional variant respectively; and the only other options for terrain setters are legendaries that aren’t even compatible with SV. Up until the Teal Mask released and made Galarian Weezing available via Home, the only Misty Surge Pokémon was the unusable/boss-only Ruchbah Starmobile.
I suppose we got a “sort of” terrain setter with Arboliva & Seed Sower, but that’s just a lesser form of Grassy Surge since it requires you to get hit for it to activate. I do feel like Hisuian Voltorb & Electrode should’ve gotten Seed Sower as an ability over Soundproof though; it’d give it something interesting outside of its typing and it works with the lore since they spread seeds when they roll around.
The Pokemon Scarlet bias goes as deep as not adding certain pokemon to the game to set up E.Terrain
If tapu koko was in this game, they would probably be great
Crazy how the new paradox Pokémon are ass compared to the old ones
Eh... no, its just that they suck in general, ppl tried to queark drive spam with miraidon and its useless, ppl tried do protosynthesis spam with koraidon and its really good
Is it just me or does Scovillain look like it isn't fully evolved?
You’re not alone, as that’s the popular opinion
u want it to be a walmart hydreigon?
THAT THUMBNAIL 🥺
Iron Thorns my baby 🤲 🍐
Iron Thorns is still pretty under the right circumstances. If its attack was just a bit lower, it could make use of booster energy to be a better late game sweeping T-tar. However T-tar having access to the defense boost from sand, sand for free chip, resistance to dark, and knock off is just too good to pass off in exchange for the slightly higher speed and lower bulk of iron thorns.
Thorns can boost speed, but he needs to at the cost of 23 Atk IVs with a Timid Nature.
Which sadly really hinders his damage, but I guess a kinda fast Rock Slider in something like doubles might be fun but at that point just use any of the other fast Rock Sliders
I wonder if we had more Elec Terrain setters if would help the weaker future paradox mons like him
Iron thorns is just Ttar with no sand stream
@@gjmguy7994 With that logic, Iron Jugilis is just Hydreigon with a Flying type, and Roaring Moon is just Salamence with a Dark typing. Nonsensical.
@saltator8565 I didn’t even bring up typing. Thorns’s stats are just too similar to its base form and it doesn’t gain anything from being an electric type, and quark drive is a patently worse ability than sand stream so thorns will forever be in its base form’s shadow.
Terapagos is doing great in VGC though
Terapagos feels like it was tailor made for VGC. Lack of speed can be addressed by Tailwind/Trick room and nobody likes switching into a specs tera starstorm. Also the fact that it can erase weather and terrain once in battle is of critical value in VGC meta.
@@kiwi40238What I wonder is if a lot of these currently one-use features would actually be broken in VGC, since people barely switch these guys out anyway due to how risky that is.
Toadscruel could have been a interesting mon in sun.
Iron thorns and all of the paradox mons should have gotten another ability.
Iron thorns setting up electric terrain would have been insane and vital in higher tiers.
I actually lost to a scovillian the other day but I was caught off guard by it.
Esp cuz rock electric is decent offensively!
Toadscruel should have been a physical attacker and sleep powder to truly give it a way to distinguish itself from tentcruel. Toadscruel’s sugnature ability is just too weak to pass up in exchange for the ability to status Gholdengo and Garganacl.
Early on in SV I had some success on the ladder with Tera Bug Loaded Dice Iron Thorns. I used a D-Dance set with Rock Blast and Pin Missle. It was fun but I doubt it’d hold up today
The only change Wo-Chien needs it's to get it's type changed to poison/dark (It's a rotting pile of leaves) and keep it's utility movepool, that's an awesome defensive typing that would give it real bulk
agreed
This would be amazing but gamefreak will never do this lmao
Its true body is the wooden tablets, so this wouldn't really work.
@@endy7630 chi yus body is the beads, which arent made of fire. chien paos body is a metal sword, not made of ice. and ting lus body is a bowl which doesnt look much lke earth to me. their secondary typing isnt tied to their "true body", its tied to the elements that make their animal form
@@alexpalaciossantos4940 I guess you're right, although Wo Chien specifically controls plant matter.
I feel like if they swaped Toad's speed with it's hp and swaped it's atk with defense and it could have been a smidge better
The left side of the thumbnail is by Errubato on Furaffinity. The image is just called iron thorns.
Edit : it's in the description
Honestly Terapagos's middle form isn't that bad thanks to its ability. It can actually make itself tankier for set up, then sweep when you use the upgraded form.
The main issue is that it's a Tera sink. You use it and rest of your team can only use it in the most niche of niche scenarios otherwise you're left with what would be a Pokemon at a powerlevel to regular legendaries.
terapagos was actually suprisingly good in vgc with choice spec set and a follow me or rage powder supporter
Oh boy, my day has improved
Hey, at least scovillan has chlorophyll. That's all I wanted in a grass fire type. 🌊
Terapagos seems to be doing well in the recent VGC tournaments though
5:21 LMAO the Regular Show intro 😂🤣
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Gamefreak will only ever care about vgc, as its their main format
All of these aside from Terapagos are still bad there so…
Bold of you to assume that they even care about vgc lol
All they care is money 💰
I mean... yeah? Its the better one
@@ruonai.4195If they did, they wouldn't have buffed the single best pokemon in the VGC format.
Terapagos doesn’t have this problem in doubles at least lol
I think terapagos would have been really cool if each form was it’s own evolution. Like baby form, middle stage, and Uber full stage. Or went to it’s tera form with an item called like “terra shard/orb”. Which is probably what they’re going to do in gen 10
the thumbnail art 🤤
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It's by Errubato on Furaffinity. The image is just called iron thorns.
@@rubberduckydj yea it’s good, it’s linked in bio anyways
Chompy I'm concerned about your choice of a thumbnail
What is that thumbnail
i NEED the full/original image of iron thorns inside a pear from the thumbnail
Iron Thorns can be an OK choice scarfer
I’m curious if you gave iron thorns a new typing what would it be. The only ones I can think of are ground electric or rock steel but both don’t seen as good. Steel electric maybe
Perhaps dark elec? idk tbh
Rock grass. Thorns are literally parts of plants…
Iron thorns should've been the first dark/elec Mon
It would be great of toadscruels ability was a little like no guard with where status moves will ignore accuracy checks as well
Legitimately baffles me that they didn't make Iron Thorns a special attacker.
Terapagose is currently one of the best Restricteds.
Then again this is seemingly about Singles so. I guess that makes sense. Shame it couldn't be as good in Singles as in Doubles.
Love the thumbnail
Pretty much the Iron Thorns only set i've made work, barely at that, is Tera Bug with Dragon Dance, Loaded Dice, Rock Blast, Pin Missile, and Supercell Slam. And it relies on a Pinchurin offing itself with Memento the turn beforehand. Either bait an enemy EQ to pull off an easy Dragon Dance to then attempt sweeping with a move that's normally a joke (Pin Missile lol). It is extremely inconsistent and dumb, but it provide A function, even if said function is complete jank and completely invalidated if Tera is ever removed.
Bolt Beak would've done a lot for Iron Thorns since his speed after choice scarf already makes it a threat. Plus in an electric terrain team would further boost his attack and the damage of bolt beak
How to fix terapagos: Make its tera stellar form not take your terastilize slot. (considering its the pokemon who causes a phenomenon, youd think itd have enough energy to support double terastalizationg in one battle.) Also give it 90 speed, take some stats from its attack stat.
Kyurem white and black: Make turboblaze and teravolt give the pokemon +50% for fire and electric moves. This would buff zekrom and reshiram too, making them much more viable competitively, and the kyurem forms would have stab on the fusion moves.
Scovillain: Swap its attack and HP stats. Considering its mostly a support mon, id say it makes sense to have high HP instead of high attack which it doesnt need. Also givie it heatwave
Iron thorns: Swap its offensive stats, give it meteor beam/rising voltage and give it at least 100 base speed. Rock electric isnt a bad typing offensively specially with all the coverage it gets. Its biggest issue is being slow
Mycellium Might? More like Mycellium Shite
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Honestly i’m kinda confused about mycellium might, like with a name like that I’d expect it to be an ability that boosted his damage but it did nothing. Like if they wanted them to not be a fast spore setter, then make the ability do something like double the damage of the next attack after setting up spore, that way, while the spore is slow to set up there is a payoff for that negative
"Iron Thorns is the worst paradox pokemon!"
Iron Jugulis: "Am I a joke to you?"
Iron mugulis
Jugulis is pretty good in RU before it got banned, thorns is just bad even in NU
I personally think Iron Thorns is better than ppl give it credit for, in draft league format in particular this pokemon is a menace, when u can only have one or two pokemon that can tera on every team and this guy is sitting down in 8 or 9 points, he becomes a great choice with his amazing bulk and sweep potential. The move pool is actually pretty good with a lot of really solid coverage options, and with tera getting two dragon dances up with this guy is pretty doable which lets you run Thunder Punch instead of that shitty supercell slam. I've used Iron Thorns in a very high skill level draft tournament and he was amazing
It lost thirty base stats as if had twenty more base stats as iron Valerant it could had been better if it was given in it's speed of base nintey two.
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Diancie exists though?
I knew I recognized PIMPNITE & Haydunn
8:30 Brute Bonnet and Scream Tail :
Its nice that atleast scovillian outclases ogrepon in monotype
it's very sad to know that out of the 4 treasures of ruin legendaries, 2 are in ubers, 1 is in OU, and the other is in PU
Maybe the real Live Wo-Chien Reaction were the friends we made along the way.
I like how Scovillain's signature move (Spicy Extract) wasn't even worth mentioning lol!
*Gen 9 gives several mons broken signature moves or very limited distribution moves yet Scovillain has to make do with an objectively worse SD.
*The first DLC straight up gives a better Fire-Grass dual type with Ogerpon-Hearthflame who essentially gets to take advantage of all the power of Gen 9 (OP signature move, powerful ability, Tera boosts, etc) and got banned to ubers.
-Like others have mentioned several times, Scovillain looks like an awkward middle evolution that's missing a third yellow pepper head to become sorta like a grass hydra, well in the 2nd DLC that's exactly what we got with Dipplin evolving into Hydrapple.
Someone must really dislike spicy food at GF, since Scovillain isn't just disappointing but it kinda got sabotaged too... :/
thumbnail a royalpear reference?
That thumbnail is amazing as I just had to click on it.
I knew Iron Thorns was gonna end up getting uber railed by the singles metagame with the 4x ground weakness.
Idk why they can't just make spore negative priority? They make it harder on themselves for no reason.
I feel like they could make Mycelium Might specific to grass type status moves, effectively achieving the same result, but actually giving Toedscruel a fighting chance with non-grass status options.
You mean like how they made brute bonnet slow just so you couldn't booster energy it? Min atk = 233 with Max spd = 229
Toadscruel and wudrio are both nailed their abilities
5:09 OMG I KNOW THAT GUY!!!!!
Garg isn't that great in Doubles VGC so, so idk how that was confusing to you
I keep forgetting iron thorns exist 😂
My goat skolvillan 😢
Scovillan is sooo disappointing. It has bad base total not only is a ugly it also looks like it should evolve and it doesn’t.
Since when is the rock type suited for special attacking?
Moves that don't have 0% Accuracy
Glimmora and Nihilego, having a reliable STAB move that doesn’t miss (unlike most Rock moves)
I'd say terra dragon or electric on iron thron
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yessir
Toedscruel got absolutely shafted
What rock electric does to a mf
What any Rock typing or any Ice typing does to a mf
Iron Jugulis has entered the chat
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Toads cruel shoulda been psychic and poison from eating so many bruxfish
Thank you being so kind all mighty loving God help me and these people to better understand you
Thumbnail source? 🥺
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@@chompy_YT tysm
Gamefreak: “We can’t let a Pokémon be fast and have spore, that would be OP.”
Also Gamefreak: “Let’s make a Pokémon that has amazing typing and immune to all status moves.”
What the fuck is even going on man?
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No, I am.
Surprised Wugtrio wasn't on this list
was actually thinking abt that when i was writing the script ngl
iron tyranitar should be ground electric... would be amazing
*sandy shocks crying in the corner*
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I wish they can just do like only the pokemon like eternatus, ultra necrozma, terapagos can use their own gimmick in later generation as themselves are the sources of the gimmick
That also mean mega rayquaza, primal groundon/kyogre can come back even with no mega gimmick
Palkia and dialga can have origin form so cant groundon and kyogre have primal form back
Iron boulder got conflicted about his feelings and got his ass Kicked by Little girl wearing a Water face mask 🎭
pokefans have one brain they all borrow... Never any thoughts of their own
Now the question is, how would you fix them to be better
honestly? Palafin. its gimmick seemed super cool and fun but it ended up getting itself banned immediately without even being relevant in ubers. i wish it was worse so it could be way better
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i'm happy that toedscruel does not get fast spore
but i'm just thinking... why is it a grass ground type
if it was a pure grass type, it would just be a better typing defensively
and with its 80 base special attack, it can't use the upside of ground type's offensive potential
so its just a support pokemon with a garbage defensive type🥲🥲🥲
here's a way i can nurf that gold pokemon's ability (gold as gold) change it's name to pure gold and make the user take double damage from fire type attacks