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- Higher base stats make for a better Pokémon competitively, right? Not always, we look at Pokémon with high base stats that are bad competitively in this video!
Leave a like if you want a part 2 to this as I have many other mons to cover. 1000 likes and I'll get a part 2 going!
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0:00 Intro/Criteria
0:45 Slaking/Regigigas
1:12 Meloetta
3:41 Goodra
4:58 Iron Thorns
6:39 Mega Glalie
8:28 Hoopa
10:00 Florges
10:52 Virizion
12:40 Archeops - เกม
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Wow, hit the goal of 1000 likes already, you guys are awesome!
I will be making a part two/follow up video to cover some of the other Pokémon who fit into this category. I have some other ideas in the works so it might take a little before I get it out.
Thanks again for the support buds
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Very interesting video with great editing and very educational 👍 would love to see a part 2
a video of the inverse would be interesting too! pokemon with a low bst but amazing in competitive
@@_lumpia late reply but I have already made that video if you want to check it out!
Darmanitan and Lokixx are proof that Abilities, Stat distribution and moves will always be >>> than BSTs , and Particularly stat distribution especially when you consider that Darmanitan and base Glalie have the exact same BST
Wait why is Lokix good?
@@MNthal tinted lens , first impresion, sucker punch and so on
Darmanitan and Glalie having the same BST blows my mind and is the perfect example that illustrates what you’re saying.
Stats distribution is the most important. The more the stats of a Pokémon are minmaxed the better.
@@MNthal and he's a cutie
Amazing idea to skip the obvious 2. I've heard about those too much already. Got my like just for that.
Those 2 have just been over saturated in these types of videos, I would just be saying what everyone else has. Thanks for watching!
Dont blueball me like that
Dont blueball me like that
agreed
@@tsunderetsunami9111Me when I wish not to be the victim of "blueballing chronicles"
gogoat avoiding slander by 10 bst, i can sleep well
Would have been easy pickings
3:56 Reported for terrorism
You know what, fair enough.
Archeops has 140 Atk and 110 Speed, and it's stuck with an ability that does nothing but make it completely useless once its HP drops below 50%.
Iron Moth has 140 Sp. Atk and 110 Speed, and it gets an ability that buffs its highest stat by 30% (50% if Speed) if one of two different conditions.
#JusticeforArcheops
Defeatest, as an ability, should still drop ATK/SpATK, but raise Speed by 50% when it triggers.
Archeops deserves a revamp or hidden ability
@@zorubark Adaptability or Speed Boost
Even in his home generation he wasn't nearly strong enough to warrant the ability. Those stats are not legendary equivalent like Slaking, his bulk is not that great even if his type is pretty alright defensively
@@Hugo-yz1vb that's a bit too much lol, maybe rock head
Walking landorous was very cursed to see in the first few seconds of the video
he aint a ground type for nothing 😭
Wo-Chien and Hoopa-U both have the problem of being slow mons that die to one U-turn. They're mostly just bad compared to comparable mons though, rather than being literally ZU. Could make a category just for base 670-680s that fail to be uber
Hoopa unbound is kinda cooking in natdex on showdown though
@@avaluggglazer445 Is it though? Last time I heard about it most were calling it noob bait garbage, kinda like Mega Banette right now.
Wo-chein is slow thanks to it being a snail
The best change for archeops I ever saw was on reddit of Archeops keeping the same effect that the ability has now but also giving it +2 Speed and a 30-50 BP pivot move that heals its hp a bit. It doesn't break it's gimmick either since it's implied to be a coward
Scream Tail is in PU, and Brute Bonnet is in NU like Iron Thorns.
Goodra not being part Water is so mindnumbing I'm convinced the programmera forgot to program it and once XY shipped they couldn't do anything about it.
Poison would also make sense since the dex mentions they are covered in poison, and hisuian goodra metal is literally poisonous mercury. And in gen 6, a poison type pseudo legendwry was very needed, but I guess they had to give poison dragon to dragalgee (not like we already had a dragon type sea horse, but having 2 poison dragons in the same gen would be too much repetition....)
@@aleksabanjevic8316especially with how small the Kalos dex is
@@nazeersadek6705 fr, they could have added so much more, but I guess they were too busy making 80 forms for vivilion, floreges and furfru
@@aleksabanjevic8316Between its movepool, abilities and the fact it evolves during rain, Water fits far more.
@@dzigayu4944 triple type pokemon should really be a thing at this point, but I guess it would make the game to complicated,
Walking lando goes hard af
If Meloetta would get Aura-Sphere in one of the next games it would at least be in NU i think. Same thing could be applied to Hoopa.
She needs a new ability, Adaptability would be awesome
Maybe Quiver dance and Victory dance for set up (dance is also part of an idol performance! And this enhances both her forms)
Giving boomburst would be wild
An signature ability like punk rock is a obvious choice
Making Meloetta change before is so simple, but that alone would make her move to ubers, 128 attack/128 speed is OP!!
Or god forbid give her the chance to start the battle in Pirouette form instead of forcing her to waste a turn/moveslot transforming
@@xviolaaor be at least in pirouette forme generally instead of only being in battle
My proposed fixes for Slow Start and Truant are as follows: Slow Start - It starts the same, but your stats increase every turn until they are back to normal by 1/5th of the loss...rather than getting them all at once; and Truant - If this pokemon has woken up from sleep, the ability is ignored until it switches out.
let me try one on truant:
- give it the unseen fist treatment where his attacks ignore protect
should allow it to actually try to hit stuff as a nuclear option on the lower tiers
An honorable mention would be mega garchomp. Bro gets outclassed by regular garchomp😂😂
Scale Shot in Legends Z-A will go crazy though
Who even knows if Scale Shot will be in the game?@@Hugo-yz1vb
@@Hugo-yz1vb That is if it even gets Scale Shot/Scale Shot transferring to Legends Z-A
Vore jumpscare at 3:55. Stay safe out there guys.
I wish they changed Slow Start to half its attack and special attack. Hell, rename it to "Restraint" like the titan is holding back to give its opponent a chance before the 5 turns are up
There are so many ways that ability could be reworked to still cripple Regi a bit but make it usable. But I doubt we will see that in our lifteime
Well, here's the thing. They gave Slow Start to Varoom as its Hidden Ability.
@@demi-femme4821 so they gave slow start to another pokemon? What's your point?
Nah, slow start should be changed to just lower speed. This change would make regigigas usable and still make sense for the name.
They should just give it Pressure
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My last second decision to avoid watching this video with my 8 yo cousin may have saved my life
Archeops has a special place in my heart for its Meteor Beam + Power Herb set. Reminds me of special attacking Regigigas to get around Slow Start, but too bad Defeatist halves Atk and SpA. GameFreak was really trying to kill this mon😂
I think the sudden shift to having progressively more and more OP legendaries and more min-maxed Pokemon after being somewhat balanced in Gen 4 was _because_ of the negative reception Regigigas got. The reason they gave most legendaries like Dialga, Palkia and Giratina the Pressure ability is because it's almost a non-Ability in their hands - giving them anything else would make them too overbearing. Just look at Kyogre and Groudon - Kyogre's automatic rain-setting allows it to remain viable in Ubers for over two decades, and Groudon's 21 year reign as the king of sun was only ended by Koraidon.
But back on topic, it seems like people didn't want to use what Gamefreak viewed as "balanced" at the time. They _wanted_ to have Pokemon with more and more power. They WANTED to have 'Mons with 150+ base attacking stats and 130+ Speed getting buffs to their attacks anyway because OMG ITS SO POWERFUL AND SO COOL!
Why? Because the primary demographic for Pokemon is ultimately kids.
It's fine that they play for fun, but let's be honest - most kids, even up to the age of 12, aren't going to be able to understand the necessity of balance in competitive Pokemon like those in Smogon claim to. At its heart, multiplayer in Pokemon is a game where kids go head to head with other kids on the playground to see who's the very best, even if it means sending veritable gods at each other.
For them, the default is Anything Goes, and Gamefreak probably doesn't want it any other way.
Oh, and I wanted to add that Regigigas isn't just bad because of Slow Start, it's because until Gen 8, it didn't have any way to work around that Ability - for one thing, it was one of a small handful of Pokemon that could NOT learn Protect until then nor did it have any recovery outside of Rest. Granted, it does have access to Body Press to work around its halved Attack and Knock Off to be somewhat useful outside of doing damage, but that's it.
if they are called legendary, then being OP should be fine.
@@j.b.5422 Yes, but it's HOW OP they've become.
Take Miraidon, for example. It's got base 135 Special Attack and Speed, making it blazing fast and powerful. Its Ability summons Electric Terrain upon entry, and said terrain also boosts its already impressive Special Attack by 33%, while also boosting its STAB Electric moves by 30%. Then you have its signature move Electro Drift, which gets an ADDITIONAL 33% boost in power if it's super-effective. I don't think there's anything outside a Tera Raid that can survive a super-effective hit from that attack, especially if the Miraidon is a +SpAtk nature, 252+ SpAtk EVs, 31 SpAtk IVs, Tera-Electric and wearing Choice Specs.
The power creep has gotten to the point where there are so many legendaries that just can't hack it in Smogon's Ubers tier that they've created Ubers UnderUsed, a tier for Pokemon that are too much for OverUsed to handle but also not good enough for standard Ubers play.
Uxie and Mespirit are two that come to mind. They just don't really have any kind of niche. Azelf on the other hand gets everything they need to succeed. I've noticed that in all of the legendary sets one gets used more than the others, usually the one with offensive stats. Along those same lines, look at Wo Chen, stuck in PU because he's the designated 'defensive one' in the legendary set.
0:08 wtf is that Great Tusk XD
Yeah that’s what I’m sayin
Great channel man! After this one, i been watching hr previous videos. Gives me False Swipe Gaming vibes. Can't get enough history of competiive mons.
It might just be my opinion, but I feel like as long as you're properly tiered in any format, you're successful as a Pokemon, since it's way better for the game to have different metagames in order to not have an inflated meta. I don't consider Goodra a bad mon since it's a menace in PU.
I've had a couple of ideas for how Meloetta's Pirouette Forme could used more, because I would love for it to be usable outside of 1 move.
One idea I had was giving it a held item (that I call "Red Shoes"), which boosts the power of physical attacks used by Meloetta by 30%, while also changing its form.
The other is having Relic Song change into a new move every time it changes form (like Relic Dance or something), which would be the same as Relic Song in terms of power and accuracy, but it's a physical move with a chance of confusion.
Adaptability would be way more suited for Meloetta than Serene grace. It would be OP (fair for a PU mythical pokemon 💀) and suits it's concept of changing type and stats
Happy to have found your channel and subscribed! Hope you keep having success my dude! 😄
Your channel randomly popped up and glad I clicked on it. Funny laid back informative vid. and always wondered why some Pokemon just don’t work
Glad to hear you enjoyed! Appreciate the comment and support!
Part 2 with more of these unfortunate Pokemon coming soon!
Nidoking is a great example of why it doesn’t need a High Base Stats because it just uses its Base 85 Special Attack instead of its Base 102 Attack which it never uses it in competitive. It’s because most or even every Nidoking no sets are Special Sheer Force Life Orb attacker. So technically it has a Base Stat total of 403 (took its 102 Attack stats).
that's a load of bullshit
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866which part lmao? They're right, Nidoking's stats look underwhelming at first glance, but its insane movepool and great ability keep it relevant
regigigas more like regigigass amirite
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Great vid bud
Would be interesting to see your take on which Pokemon have the balance of massive BST held in check by a limiting ability but are still competitively viable. That's a design space that TPC are always going to explore and I'm interested to know how many different ways there are to do it right.
Idk how youre such a small channel, your editing and content is awesome
Appreciate it! Trying to make enjoyable videos and these comments keep the inspiration high
Imagine if Meloetta's Relic Song had a power boost to 90 base attack and the Tera Blast effect where if used which ever attacking stat was higher. That way you'd get good damage regardless of form and have the versatility of both physical and special.
I thought of Meloetta a lot and how to improve it, since it's my favorite Pokémon. I thought of a signature Ability called Dance Mode. If Meloetta has a dance move in it's move set it will start the battle in its Pirouette Form. And since Meloetta learns Swords Dance this is no big hindrance.
That would be a great improvement. Give it Victory Dance in that case
thanks for the video
Florges can have some funny actual usage of symbiosis with a Paradox mon as a partner. Give it Life Orb, and pass the orb when booster energy procs.
I've used an expanding force team where I lead Iron Crown & Florges, then switch Florges out to Indeedee for big damage. Then Florges can come in later for helping hand & stuff.
Nice vedieo as always your cotnet deserve 1 millon eith those editing
Thanks so much for the support bud❤️
Lmaooo the iron thorns holding a fraud card got me lol
y was the great tusk at 0:08 blue?
Based video. Love the channel
that lando-t walk caught me offguard
Abilities and moves will help make or break you. You can have a great stat total but if you have nothing besides that, you’re SOL.
I was not prepared to see Landorus swagger
Well iiron thorns a lhas better typing than rock dark, what helps with ttar is the buff in spdef with sand helps with taking less damage from suoer effective damage, but on the physical side your wide open.
Why was the great tusk at the start blue?
The problem with Goodra is that its stats are in the wrong place. 100 attack is just wasted since his special moves are better and 80 speed is actually a really terrible speed tier because he gets outsped by most other Pokemon, but is also too fast for trick room. He would be great if some of his attack and speed were moved somewhere else.
Regular Shaymin is definitely also in this category. Celebi possibly as well...
Ok but where were you when you found those Goodra images...
blue great tusk at the very star of the video?? what was that about who was that
Damn the power creep got insane.
Slaking/Regigigas are VERY reliant on any mon who can yeet their trashy abilities to the void like Grafaiai, decent Skill Swappers, or either variant of Weezing with Neutralizing Gas, which is why to me, it's a half-truth since they DO take some effort to become threats in Doubles, but it's definitely a case of high risk, high reward.
As my favorite pseudo-legendary, Goodra's situation is so criminal to me. All it really needs is maybe a little more speed and a recovery move and it's set. Won't stop me from using it just because it isn't 'meta' though.
If Goodra had a recovery move it would no doubt be a very viable special wall. Unfortunate situation there.
Almost every Mega kinda fits this
The most egregious example is Mega Ampharos, one of the higher BST Megas at 610
It is just so slow and its typing isn't the best so it's just not worth playing around that (say, for example, with trick room)
It might seem like it hits hard, but that leads into its second issue: It doesn't have the best STAB options
Thunder is strong but innaccurate
Thunderbolt is ok but 90 base power is just not quite there
And Dragon Pulse is its only option for Dragon stab since it doesn't learn Draco Meteor
Mega Ampharos is so slow and not quite as bulky, so if it does hit you would want it to be a very powerful hit, but because of its low base power moves, it just doesn't
arceus sword dance extreme speed is crazy good
If Slow Start lasted only 3 turns instead of 5, even that small change would be a significant buff for Regigigas.
Hey MattBud, a friend of mine was wondering if you were planning on doing a Top mate-able Pokémon list. I thought it would be an interesting video after my friend mentioned something about it. Great Vid Cheers!
I have the team working around the clock following my strict criteria to rank EACH POKEMON based on mateability. Just gotta be patient brother🙏
Sceptile. While getting banned from ZU it's ZUBL not PU. I really want thos mon rework but we know it's not possible
Six seconds in and a q: What's the medians of gens 8 and 9?
According to a picture I found on reddit it says Gen 8 is 485 and Gen 9 is 490. Although their numbers for the other gens are slightly different from the picture in the video.
If you want to check it out:
www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1bobnps/oc_data_viz_pokemon_base_stat_total_bst/
Zamazenta gotta be one of the Best examples of great stats but just kinda bad
For having a good BST, a useful ability, and solid moveset, it really should be an ubers caliber mon.
At least it can hang in OU though
Zamazenta isn't bad anymore.
Zamazenta isnt bad he's just underwhelming for what he is
he isn’t that bad tho, just not as good as the other pokemons in his tier, crowned is A+ in the uubers viability ranking, so it’s still ok, and is the most used restricted legendary in the Indianapolis regional
@@MattBudYTBaically gen 5 Kyurem Black again
They should’ve given Glalie a move to boosts its attack or special attack
One day you will get to OU goodra, onr day
Just allow the 525 BST mons being the bare minimum, this would allow:
Flareon - 525
Meganium - 525
Typhlosion - 534
Sceptile - 530
Electivire - 540
Magmortar - 540
Dusknoir - 525
Delphox - 534
Mega Audino - 543
Decidueye - 530
Inteleon - 530
Otherwise, there’s always Articuno, Regirock, Regice, Uxie, Mespirit, Reshiram, Kyurem-B (for the longest time it had no Ice STAB), Silvally, Guzzlord, Zamazenta, Brute Bonnet, Scream Tail, and Wo-Chien
I'm surprised you didn't bring up mew aka infinite moves but no moves. Ever since gen 5 it hasn't been that good. but every gen it gets worse since it only learns tms not only that but they also started to delete tms gen 8 onward.
I have a lot more for a potential part 2. Mew may or may not make the cut. Historically it’s been solid though so not sure if I’ll include it over some of the worse options
The takeaway I'm seeing is that it is often bad to specialize in Sp.Def
Blue great tusk? 0:07
Still mad about how dirty they did my favorite Pokémon hoopa
Goodra should have had the water typing
I'm Sorry I'm Dumb, But what does BST mean again?
Base Stat Total.
No worries! Thanks for watching bud!
@@MattBudYT Ok Thank You!
On the subject of Megas, Mega Garchomp was actually WORSE than regular Garchomp simply because trading raw power for speed makes it a sitting duck for a random Draco Meteor or Ice Beam and its Sand Force ability is less flexible than Rough Skin.
I used a meloetta in Indigo disk. It was so ass. Would be much better if it changed form with an item like Shaymin does
Yeah it wouldn’t be hard to do, and having the type change right away would save a moveslot from relic song.
Hey are you from Ontario
I would just like to say I am iron thorns strongest soilder in vgc. Is he bad, yes, but do I love him, also yes
I think Goodra just needed to not be pure dragon type . For all that pain to evolve in rain why isn’t it also part water type ?
Part poison would also be good
Why doesn't the ARIA POKÉMON bases on MUSIC not learn SPARKLING ARIA?
It should get boomburst too
I personally enjoy the term frauds
Swap Hoopa's Atk and Speed and give it an ability that grants it immunity to priority.
Even something that could be useful like Competitive or even cursed body would be an upgrade.
How high would Goodra rise if it had recover?
A good chunk I would say. It would be a less passive blissey essentially. Less special bulk but far better physical bulk.
The main thing about Goodra is that it gets worn down too easily so recovery would be huge.
I just want Recover Aggron and Recover Goodra to glue a team down.
Once.
Breaking my heart dropping Meloetta first, she’s been my favorite Pokémon for over 10 years!
If all Pokemon had the same stats all around which would be the best?
It would come down to type, movepool, and abilities at that point. And what the stats look like.
Say base 100 in all stats for example. Mons like Clefable would be even better and harder to break through. Offense would be harder without those high stats.
Might be a good video premise to be honest
@@MattBudYT Hooray three hours plus rabbit hole of which mons would benefit the most and which would fall the hardest
Goodra should have been Poison/Dragon and have either Regenerator, Serene Grace or Adaptability
I think guzzlord is probably the worst mon above 550 missing from this list
If gamefreak would have given mega glalie 120 speed. It could nuke entire community
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Why did you do this
Florges outclassed bulky sylveon in gen 6 UU... Sylv is amazing in gen 6 uu but because of how good offensively it was as it was gen 6 pixelate..
In gen 7 both were similar in uu...
I'm gen 9 early RU and NU despite flirg was better
Why Base Stat Totals Aren’t Everything
Meloetta will Def rise to nu once both reun and slowbro rise to RU.. Mon absolutely ruled nu 3 months ago
3:56 I should have listened
thx so much for skipping slaking and regigigas
How many times must I tell people there are NO bad fully evolved Dragon types. Goodra is also pretty good especially since no pseudo legendary Pokémon is bad due to their high stats and no Pokémon with high stats is truly bad especially if you can use them right. So I am afraid you are wrong there.
Honestly, I think Iron thorns would have been better if it was electric dark
I wish Rampardos is so much better
Mega camerupt has stats for days but yeah
Potentially a part 2 mon
@@MattBudYT cool
@MattBudYT mega camerupt's slow speed made it really good in trick room in gen 7 and 6 vgc
@@arafzaman760 really good is way way way ecaurateteg
Honestly I disagree with the Meloetta-P rating. It'd be an incredible pokemon had it not been locked to a move. 128 Spe outspeeds a myriad of OU pokemon, and 128 Atk is nothing to scoff on. It might not make the most out of Serene Grace, but it has a wide enough movepool to essentially negate it. It's like a worse Mega Lopunny, and Mega Lopunny is insane.
That is a big "what if" though. If it had access to that form without the downsides then it would probably be a pretty solid mon.
But the reality is, it needs to carry Relic Song and use it to transform which really hinders its ability to get going and be usable over immediately threatening mons. Can't run a choice item on it, it changes back into its base form upon switching, just too much work.
@MattBudYT Nah I get that. I just feel like you were downplaying its positive aspects. I just think it's moreso a pokemon limited by a stupid gimmick than its stats. Normal Meloetta fits, Pirouette less so.
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highest stat SpD just isn't a good build
Eh, Blissey's existence disproves this alone. High SpD with no recovery is what sucks.
@@guangdong6805 to be fair, Blissey's highest stat is its base 255 HP XD. But yeah, without recovery Blissey would be way lower tier.
I want a usable mega slaking so bad
“competitive viability” refers to doubles/VGC
I talk about Smogon based singles tiers and consider vgc/doubles in most of these videos.
Plus there are mons included like Meloetta and Hoopa who haven’t really had much of a chance to be included in doubles.
Competitive play includes all formats. It's weird how elitist VGC fans have become around the past 2 years