Pathfinder: WotR - Ranking All 15 New Subclasses
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video I rank the 15 new subclasses added into Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous.
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00:00 Reanimator
03:01 Flesheater
06:36 Hag-Riven
08:57 Ghost Rider
11:48 Separatist
12:55 Winter Child
16:16 Tandem Executioner
17:35 Dual-Cursed Oracle
18:44 Tortured Crusader
22:58 Dark Lurker
24:59 Prophet of Pestilence
28:17 Weretouched
32:41 Geomancer
33:55 Hag of Gyronna
36:55 Shadowcaster - เกม
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Shadowcaster specifically mentions that Transformation doesn't block your spell casting and I completely glossed over that. I am still not a fan but the capstone ability isn't useless.
what's your updated ranking in light of that?
also umbral mind is there to literally counter the increasing will saves of your summons...
Having Winter Child in the DLC might be like having Firstworld Defender in Kingmaker.
5 Monster Summoner Inquisitor, 15 Reanimator has shenanigan written all over it, since the Inquisitor archetype at 5 distributes teamwork feats to your summons, and, conveniently 15 is where the last summon upgrade kicks in 😆, though they are still summons, just something to keep in mind for Precise Strike/Outflank, since you're looking at flanking after 2 melee summons run up to an enemy 😆
Pestilence Shaman + Assassin with that comfy new Corruptor Mythic Feat has potential to chicanery, and they also released Dragon, Pummeling and Boar Styles from requiring Monk levels (Flurry of Blows) so now you can do boar style for 2d6 bonus damage 😆
Nothing else really stood out for more silliness though. 😥
I am genuinely happy to see you going back to producing content after all trials the life threw in your way in past few years. (Like it did to me too) Happy to see your good work brother. Keep going and be strong!
You have it backwards, the Shadowform explicitly says it gives you Transformation WITHOUT losing the ability to cast spells. Other than the short duration, it's an amazing buff.
Yup you are right. Thanks for calling that out.
Came down here to find just this comment. That last instant confused me. I still agree it's not as great as some of the other new subclasses, but I was reading that tooltip while listening and just going 'wait, what?'
I wish it were longer, the BAB increase would really help to make up for the fact that you have to take all 20 levels and can’t dip into ek or another gish class, but imo it’s not worth taking a bunch of melee feats when you’re only melee viable for one minute a day.
Amazing buff but the overall archetype isnt great.
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> Switching pal's casting to wisdom is a better choice, but maybe you want your char to be a talker
Non-issue, one of the backgrounds just gives you an ability to derive persuasion score from wisdom too.
Yup that is true.
It's in the Oblate category for anyone wondering !
The Weretouched is blatantly much more powerful than the other new ones from what I can see, by a long shot. Notably, among a lot of stuff, the free disarm attempt (Rat) and free trip attempt (Wolf).
Yeah they did an awesome job with those mechanics.
DR 15/silver from a weretiger can go a long way too. Idk if DR with different weak options still stacks (before it was that if DR has different options to blowing through, then it stacks. So, for example, DR 15/silver should stack with Stoneskin DR 10/adamantite.)
Erm, not sure about that. It seems moderately worse than the base shifter. The main advantage is you start with 3 aspects. The downside is that the base shifter has a superior alternative to every weretouched form and the combination of 5 minor aspects is quite a lot stronger than the weretouched minor aspect. Additionally, though its level 20 only, the weretouched doesnt get infinite minor aspect, and 20 odd minutes per rest where either you run it continuously or you have to remember to deactivate before a minute passes is actually rather limited in practice.
Were touched can change as a swift action, but this is incredibly marginal and where its useful, primarily its after a pounce charge, and the shifter's rush feat is fine under these circumstances.
The dinosaur with minor spider aspect gets a total +8 AC by level 15, immunity to AoOs, 5 attacks per round and pounce, as well as a large initiative bonus. You can also grab +6 Dex and Strength and further +6 damage with other minor aspects. This makes for a substantially more powerful form than any weretouched form.
You might argue that the Weretiger is a better tank, but the DR is conditional and the healing is negligible. By endgame, yes, the dodge bonus is larger. However, you have no infinite minor aspect, so a lot of the time, you will be 6 dex down, or 1 less AC net, and have a dramatically lower initiative, which really hurts both offensively and defensively. You also dont have AoO immunity. And when it comes to offense, its not even close. 2 extra attacks and a +6 bonus to natural attack damage on top of the same strength bonus, and at endgame with unlimited use.
Its not a bad archetype, though I would say the rat is far weaker in its role than the fae shifter. Werewolf is probably a better form than wolf just for tripping, though I am not sure by enough of a margin to warrant the loss chimeric aspect and dinosaur is for my money a better all round tank/damage dealer than anything weretouched has to offer.
I certainly don't think its "blatantly much more powerful" than other new ones. Dual cursed oracle is a moderate improvement on an already extremely powerful class. Hag of Gyrona is an upgrade over the witch, though whilst any merged lich is extremely powerful, witch is probably the worst of the pure arcane casters. Otherwise, I do think the new archetypes are worse than pre-existing archetypes for their respective classes, but arguably, weretouched falls into the same category.
Really enjoyed this breakdown. Thanks for the timely update. REALLY looking forward to trying out Tortured Crusader. Peace, love and happiness to you and yours!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
This is an amazing breakdown. Thanks, man. Been waiting for this.
My pleasure!
This is extremally well done. What a breakdown!! You made me get the Season Pass with how well your presentation was done for the 15 subclasses. Hope you have a great day.
Thank you! Hope you enjoy it!
Prophet of Pestilence doesn't have its full "Mutations" shown. Most of the "Strong picks" come at level 10+, like one for level 14 is "Anyone that is afflicted with PoA, has to make a fortitude check every-time they use an action. If they fail the check, they lose the action and become nauseous for 1 turn", or the level 18 int bonus where enemies get inflicted with 20% confusion
Wow! That makes it even more awesome. Thanks I'll definitely be giving that class a look.
I always look forward to your ranking videos, Just listing to you breaking down mechanics, and gameplay aspects in RPG games is very pleasant
Thank you! Glad you enjoy them.
Thanks love the content was waiting for someone to do a deep dive into this
Glad you enjoyed it!
*cries in Dragonblood Shifter* Weretouched looks so good. Tandem Executioner also looks really good. Dual Cursed Oracle could be really interesting with the Oracle's Burden spell. Shadowcaster getting free spells is, sadly, pretty insignificant for a prepared caster.
Yeah the Shifter option looks FANTASTIC.
Devs on stream said that they thinking about changing stuff in dragonblood, so hope remains.
Oracle's burden is pretty terrible no matter how many curses you have, but its a moderate improvement on an already great class.
I was waiting for this thank you!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the great review of all the classes Slandered! Obviously it goes without saying I am going Weretouched for my next play through as the next best thing to actually being a ratfolk like you said in the video. But its great to hear that you evaluated it so high though. Love your content as always! :D
Thanks glad you enjoyed it! Hopefully when Owlcat does another Pathfinder game rat touched is an option.
Great to see you back in good form brother. Keep up the content
Thank you!
Great Video! I was really curious to see the new archetypes.
Awesome glad you enjoyed it!
And this is the video, I've been waiting all day for. Thanks boss.
Hope you enjoyed it!
As a caster Druid fan, winter child looks to be a lot of fun. Definitely offers something unique from the rest of the druid roster. Tandem Executioner seems a bit less out-of-the-box than I was hoping for, but would make for an incredible legend mythic path character. Also Hag of Gyronna seems like the ultimate debuffer class, which I'm all for because the anti-magic inquisitor subclass isn't very good.
The debuffing qualities of HoG really appeals to me.
If you like caster druid, you will definitely like winter child. Possibly my favorite playthrough yet. I played as an azata with it, had a blast.
demonslayer 20 tandem executioner 20? you get level 40 pet with boon companion ? full bab and ranger spells (you lost hunter spells ) but now you've got ranger bonuses and studied target . as slandered gaming would say, "that's bananas!!!!"
Nice Video ty for the breakdowns going to try Weretouched/Assassin with the new changes
My pleasure!
Hmmmm. Some amazing new subclasses in there. Thanks for the rundown!
My pleasure!
Love the content. Thanks for the video
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
The winter child was extremely enjoyable to play for me. You do lose out on damage but the control you gain is worth it.
Yup looked like it would be a good time.
Can you share some of your experience with it? I admit it sounds interesting on paper but I'm always skeptical of how new things interact with WotR's assortment of demon resistances, etc.
also fire being a better damage dealing energy type doesnt matter since you could just have a fire spellcaster in the team to make use of the gear as well
@@shikimori9467 right. I honestly use ember as my fire slinger and backup healer, and for that evil eye.
@@SaintofQuartz what makes it so strong is your ability to impede terrain and the high level of spell DC. With certain items you can just blast right through even boss resistance on tactician. Fire is better specific damage, but a lot of the cold spells just radiate out from you. Run ember as a hex fire blaster, and a shaman winter witch, and have at it.
Thanks for all the great content you’ve done so far this year!
Thank you so much Black Fist! I really appreciate all of your support this year and glad you are enjoying the channel!
Oh snap! New Slandered Gaming ranking video!
Yup it was like riding a bike!
Very interesting and informative breakdown!
Glad you liked it!
I could and do listen to u explain pathfinder for hours, thanks for covering the new expac :-)
Glad you enjoy it!
Amazing video!
Thank you!
You had me at Ghost Rider.
Ayy man your vids are helping me play a primalist rn. Thank you
Glad to hear it!
@@SlanderedGaming yeah man ty!!
Really underwhelmed by all of these. No desire to play any of these. But then I have no desire to play 2/3'rds of all these overcomplicated subclasses anyway.
Very nice list. Can't wait to try out Weretouched shifter
It looks awesome!
Well timed. I was just looking at in steam deciding whether to get it or not.
Awesome hope you enjoy the breakdown.
Thank you so much for the very detailed video. Are you planning to make builds for a few of them? I would like to see how you build Tortured Crusader and Dark Lurker.
At some point yes but probably not soon because I need to work on Rogue Trader content before that game comes out.
On Shadow magic: Shadow Evocation/Conjuration, while they do less damage than their "real" counterparts, have 2 distinct advantages:
1) If the caster is an illusionist (like Nenio) or a Shadowcaster, you get the obvious buffs from picking up (Greater and Mythic) Spell Focus, which also benefits her normal spells like Phantasmal Killer.
2) What they lack in raw damage, they more than make up for in flexibility. Each of those spells has loads of spells within them that they can pretend to be.
Yup that's true it's just not my cup of tea. If I am getting a bunch of spell focus for Illusion than I am using it on Weird and Phantasmal Killer.
One thing to note, demon resistances and immunities have also been nerfed a bit, immunity to poison no longer means that they're immune to disease effects.
Tortured Crusader is a much better option than it first seems due to a multitude of reasons.
1) You'll have many more smites than your regular Paladin due to being able to convert lay on hands into smites.
2) Alone in the Dark, because it triggers off of summons' deaths as well. You can basically stack weak summons onto your enemies before the battle starts and get a crazy amount of AC and bonus attack/damage just from a single passive ability. You combine that with a certain ring and the fun begins.
3) Final Justice stacks well with Mark of Justice, I tested it and you basically melt bosses with this combo.
Tortured Crusader is very much a more offense oriented Paladin. The only do here is to wait and see if the second point gets patched or not, the text simply states allies. The flavour does seem to imply that should get the bonus from deaths of your fellow crusaders NPCs, and summons are held in the same regard by the game as your ally crusader NPCs.
Duel-Cursed Oracle is a straight upgrade, and i don't why you rated it so low. The main problem with most of the other archetypes of Oracle is that you lose Revelations, a key unique component of the class. This Archetype not only doesn't take away revelations but adds additional ones, there is also Misfortune (An extremely good revelation that can save your allies, the limitation of once a day doesn't matter because you're constantly fighting new enemies.) and Ill Omen for when you really want to CC an enemy.
Edit: It seems that I was correct, as of patch 2.2.2 "Alone in the Dark ability was getting incorrect bonuses from the death of summoned units - fixed", still the other features of the class make it worth considering, the capstone bonus is certainly unique.
I probably did underrate Dual-Cursed and it's because I don't like Oracle in general. I know some people love it but it's not my thing. Didn't know about point #2 that's pretty huge. Also based on the description I didn't think Final Justice stacks with MoJ. Strongly considering a Tortured Crusader for my next run.
Personally, I would say tortured crusader is fairly bad. You probably dont want to run two paladins, and unless you do, the stacking is moot. Would you rather have a substantially lower bonus to AB, AC and lose the ability to apply these benefits to all your party, in exchange for an additional +20 damage on one target, assuming you actually hit (which you are less likely to do)? I just think the trade is a complete non starter.
If alone in the dark stacks off summons, this I expect is a bug and will hopefully be fixed. It surely cannot be intended to spam low level summons to stack the buff.
Losing the ability to cleanse crowd control on party members sucks, losing the bonus to saves sucks, having to pick weapon bond over horse sucks.
Bonus feats are nice and the capstone is nice (but very lategame). However, I am still definitely going to want to take Seelah (who also gets the unique and very powerful shielding companion ability), so I am never taking this.
I would agree, Dual cursed oracle is a moderate upgrade and its already one of the best classes in the game.
Haha you make great commentaries. I will check your other vids for funny commentaries
Thank you!
Just a note about dual-cursed oracle, while I agree with you about Fortune, I think you're gravely underrating Misfortune. Not only does it have unlimited uses (compared to say the div wizard in 5e), it also presumably stacks with protective luck and it prevents an enemies' only way to hit your party when their AC is higher than the enemy's attack bonus by forcing a reroll. I'd be interested in learning if the 'can only be used once per day per enemy' clause triggers before or after protective luck resolves, as if it doesn't count the 20 that isnt chosen from the 2 die rolls, this effectively prevents you from being hit, like period.
Interesting that's a perspective I hadn't considered and I am not sure if it works that way.
I am super hyped for the reanimator, and started a new game just to give that lich a go
Yup I will probably do the same thing.
I love your videos on archetypes just for your vocalization alone "Bananas! Stoppp"
Thank you for this video.
My pleasure!
Dang, the Shadowcaster looks like it would be awesome for a shadowlich if the shadows were more useful and Shadowform works with Master Shapeshifter. It's hard to imagine the archetype working well as is.
Yeah I was hoping it would be something that made shadow spells more powerful.
I'd really think this subclass to be something like a super-illusion focused one but nope, it just feels like a clunkier version of Ninio
Sooo happy Weretouched turned out great. Thats the archetype more than any other that I really needed to be good.
Having a compelling werewolf option is really nice.
Great tips, and are there any suggestions for building Tortured Crusader and Dark Lurker yet, I would love to redownload and try them out 🤩
I haven't looked into build making yet so not sure.
lets gooo!
Exciting times dude!
Going to have to bump up Prophet of Pestillence. The stat damage mutations are just the level 1 options. For example, Take the Wisdom damage one. After that you can take a mutation that also applies confusion to anyone afflicted by the disease. Or the Con damage one, can be followed by one that exhausts the enemy and makes them pass a fort save to not become nauseated every round. Or level drain, or spreading the disease to every enemy within 10 feet of the guy who failed a save!
Same with Tandem Executioner. Those first 4 are just the ones you can get at level 1. My favorite is Push and Bite, that lets you bullrush any enemy your pet threatens when you shoot them. Your pet also gets a 100% accuracy attack of opportunity against that enemy.
Wow. That actually sounds incredible.
Something you didn't mention for Hag of Gyronna is that the night hags spells have unlimited uses
Boys and girls I need your help I can’t find the elf note in iz I read some guides I look all the map x3 with each time it change I don’t think it spawned for me
A New Favourite Toy would be great with Lann.
Pairing Tortured Crusader with the mounted Monk archetype in the Legend Mythic Path could be a nice build.
Don't forget about Reduce Person for Dark Lurkers.
The fear bonus likely affects the Hag more than the Witch.
I would give the Shadowcaster a B+ given that Shadowform allows you to cast high-level spells safely within melee range.
Oh yeah reduce person for dark lurkers makes sense I didn't even think about that.
Great resource. One thing I think that would be useful is to pin your rating until after your done talking about the subclass.
Ahhh good tip. I'll remember that for next time thanks!
I am personally looking forward to the reanimator class. I like the idea of a lawful evil mad scientist type who has the potential to become a lich. My present playthrough is as a chaotic good Dirge Bard Azata, so this will be a complete thematic opposite.
Yup Reanimator looks awesome.
When Penta was released as a musical reference and an instrument in hands, I was expecting a new Bard subclass, but I'm happy with the DLC and the subclasses presented
Yup I think Owlcat did a nice job.
I will eventually go back to Wrath of the Righteous. Thanks for the video
My pleasure!
Man, Weretouched looks awesome! I'm getting this and doing a demon run with it.
Yup I am thinking of doing exactly that.
Thanks to DLC3 with the Roguelike mode, I might jump back in soon to check out that sick looking Paladin class.
Nice hope you like it!
All of these looks so cool
urgh
I hope the issue with gog will be fixed SOON !!!
The Hag-riven and Hag of Gyrona hypes me the most
because Hags
Yeah I really like Hag of Gyrona.
@@SlanderedGaming speaking of hags (and witches)
the child of winter (druid) is elligeable for the winter witch prestige class :3
Shadowcaster by itself might not be high ranking. But for someone who loves Arcane Trickster builds, it's perfect for my Legend run. Just a 5 lv dip for easy blindsight. Rest are Dark Lurker, Arcane Trickster, and Eldritch knight. Been dreaming years of putting them all together with a Shadow plane theme
Woh, you are on fire ! Just tell me you also walk at least 15 minutes day right (sincerely).
Walking, biking, and trying to eat better. Thanks for asking.
Any links for Tandem executioners full list of techniques? You can pick 6 times while leveling and only 4 techniques on the list shown. Also traits for Flesheater?
Nope none of that was provided in the patch notes.
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1) Ghost rider is a cool 1 lvl dip for pal or sylvan sorc. Just for cool mount and paralyse effect
2) switching to wisdom as pal is super bad. Becouse you have a spell that add you char modifier to ALL saving throws. Alone in the dark is op. Becouse it works with summoned creatures
The main thing about hag riven that appeals to me is that it basically allows you to play with those awesome claws from Shifter without all the pesky wildshaping.
Yeah apparently it's a class many people use to play Wolverine in tabletop.
I hoped we would finally get a Werecapybara form with Weretouched. Maybe next time.
Wowwwwwwwwwwwww LMFAO
3 Months in, Tandem Executioner for the win. The bonuses it gives stack with every attack(May be a glitch or so I've been told), so using something with MANY attacks, like say, a Smilidon, gives a huge boost to damage output. Mix in a duel wielding type with a third natural attack like a bite, and you do lots more damage, and hit more often with everything. Mix with Trickster's always roll 20s ability, and you basically set the mounted character to puree every time they hit something thanks to AoO's procing constantly based off crits. Also, still affects Aivu, who is the best.
Wow that sounds sick. I wonder if they will patch it.
@@SlanderedGaming Probably. I've been told it's only supposed to affect main attacks, Rules as Written, and of course, they've said already it's not supposed to affect Aivu, Devourer of Cookies...I want it to since she deserves it after all the nerfing...which still left her stronger than several party members, to be fair, but she deserves a treat.
What mythic path for a male Hag of Gyronna named Grendel who is looking for his mommy and finds her at level 12?
Demon.
Dumb question, I only get the new archetypes (For the normal story) if I buy the dlc, right?
Yes I believe that is the case.
@@SlanderedGaming Thank you :)
Thanks for your review.
However, having a Tortured Crusader in the party allows you to use him to discover everything and everything (thanks to wisdom). Actually, that's what I did. The most interesting thing, of course, begins at level 11, when he receives the "Final Justice" and Seelah the "Mark of Justice". Any dangerous opponent is simply disintegrated in a matter of rounds.
I really like Tortured Crusader, though I wish there were more roleplaying dialogue options (unfortunately, there are SO many archetypes they probably couldn't possibly go into more unique options for each).
@@kingleech16 Yes, it would be great if each individual subclass had its own unique interactions. I believe Owlcat did not have enough time and resources for this, and probably also expediency. For some reason, I think that the majority of players still play either the base class or even OP builds and do not pay attention to all the variety.
Now, QUESTION...Alone in the Dark, from the paladin...this feature trigger when a summoned creature dies? cuz if it's so he can become unstopable once i deploy my spiderburst combo
Oh good question I didn't test that.
Wouldn't Repulsion be decent with selective metamagic, which cc mages would grab anyways?
Honestly I almost never grab Selective magic for crowd control mages so that's why I don't really consider it.
Ghost Rider? Im Nicolas Cage now 😎
😂
Misfortune isn't bad, you can easily spare the rev pick and it's a get-out-of-20-free card for every single enemy you meet
Yeah it's not gonna come up all the time but it's still gonna occasionally put in work for the entire game
Didn't the Shadowcaster capstone say after Transformation that you retain spellcasting ability?
Yes there's a pinned comment where I corrected that.
Are the new subclasses only playable in the DLC or does downloading the dlc allow then to be played in the main game?
You can play them in the main game.
@@SlanderedGaming Thank you :)
Are these classes avalaible for the base game or only in the dlc campaign?
Available for the base game.
I kind of already knew which ones would appeal to me most; the Reanimator, Tandem Executioner and the Weretouched. Although the Reanimator Lich is definitely not the most powerful Lich combo, RPG wise it seems most suitable. Imagine a devotee of Urgathoa who specialises in disection and using alchemy to forge the Undead. I think it would work pretty well. I am less worried about the damage reduction simply because the real strength of negative energy bombs is their unsavable energy drain! I might be wrong about this but is the create greater undead spell new? I don't recall it being in the game. Thanks for covering this.
You might be right. It's be so long that it's hard to recognize whether or not spells are new. I was hoping a list of new spells would be in the patch notes but that doesn't appear to be the case. LOL
@@SlanderedGaming Confirmed it is a new spell. Create Greater Undead. Quite potent; Devourers which energy drain each attack or shadows that drain strrength.
@@spellandshield nice!!
Tortured crusader's Final justice could be amazing against bosses with build relying on misses(mythic ability alowing deal str mod damage on missis) if increasing damage on every attack not imply hit
Yup that could be an interesting build.
You should've inspected "Geomaner" more properly. Read what the effects do on each given terrain. Most of them either just deal 1d6 damage (and scaling per Geomancer level) or healing; in addition to that the give different kind of debuffs or buffs.
Geomancer is a must-have with at least 1 level for all Caster-based classes, or you go just 20lvl Geo and become an AoE menace. It's basically free damage to whatever action you are doing already.
Yeah, I'm feeling this as well. I feel like every damage caster is going to want to dip into Geomancer.... but maybe it's a little bugged right now? I just started an Oracle/Angel blaster play through, and I killed myself and all my enemies by casting prayer from a scroll with geomancer on... it proc'd the geomancer 1d6 dmg + stun like 3 times, and I took 3d8 damage at level 2... 😅
Durk lurker is a ton of fun. Pretty much blow a target up in one round every time
Dude it looks like a TON of fun. I might have to give it a whirl.
I think this is the build for the portrait of the gnome with a pickaxe.
Do NOT take precise bombs. Get negative energy bombs. Use them to damage enemies and heal your party at the same time.
And I think Dual Cursed is pretty good. Oracles burden means you can put att-4 and staggered on an enemy with one spell, and it's only second level if you took blackened, and powerless prophecy. That's pretty good. Especially since those are the best two curses anyway.
And you missed the shadowcaster description saying it does NOT take away spell casting
And have you seen some of the new Feats?!
Focused Strike: When using power attack with a 2 handed weapon, or one handed weapon in 2 hands, you do not take the attack penalty from power attack for the first hit, available at level 1. Vital Strike+ focused attack+ always a chance= Never miss.
I put up a pinned message about Shadowcaster. Hadn't seen the new feats will definitely check that out.
Yeah, I feel like duel-cursed was undervalued here, you get Ill Omen for free, one of the best 1st level spells, extra revelations, Fortune and Misfortune options. All of that for taking on another curse whose effects are rather negligible if you build correctly.
Blackened is a terrible curse to take and staggered is only on the first round of combat. I am not sure if you have tested it, but I doubt oracles burden with powerless prophecy staggers at all, and if it did, staggering for a single round is not a powerful effect. You have much better options with 2nd level spells.
@@notalefty999 It should, since that's how the crossbow with exactly the same effect works.
@@acrab6527 Its still a bad spell. No curse is actually all that debilitating. Stagger for 1 round is 1 round and otherwise, the curse effects necessarily arent that strong (otherwise the character would be unplayable).
So we get an actually intresting and worth playing (both mechanically and thematically, as well as not-clashing with seelah) paladin, a natural weapon bloodrager and a werewolf? Damn, how do i choose? I guess i can finally make that aeon paladin i kept on wanting to do, but never wanted to. That's nice. Guess i have something to play untill rogue trader comes out.
Yeah that Paladin looks fantastic.
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> Plague of Abaddon
> Requires con save
Into the trash it goes. Most enemies have con save through the roof, so you need incredible setup to really pile up on attribute damage, at some point setting this up for large targets (*cough* Balor *cough*) will be so difficult that just straight beating the target with martial characters will become easier option.
I think that's why they give you the +2 bonus but I agree CON saves are really hard to pierce through.
It's better than it seems here, because it's not just 1d4 damage - there are a ton of additional rider effects there that Slandered didn't cover. And if you just focus on ability damage, it can be 2d8 to two attributes
@@Kammereer i remember killing spawn of rovagug in first game with stat damage (he has pathetically low int, so basically just one really lucky hit would lower him into 0 and he should die.) It took me 20 attempts where half of my party was focused on inlficting int damage: curses, plague storm, cursed bombs, i threw EVERYTHING at the wall and almost nothing stuck. It took 20 attempts to finally succeed. And i only need to damage him to -4 int.
For really large targets, sadly, dispelling everything they has and then trying to beat their touch AC is almost universally the best way. Damage to stats is unreliable and hard to pull off.
I wonder if there is a correspondent Mythic Ability that gives you your capstone ability like the mythic feat Bloodline Ascendant for sorcerers.
I've already made a Weretouched Shifter and have begun another playthrough. It's still two weeks before Rogue Trader gets a full release.
Almost there!
Bummer to see that Ghost Rider is underwhelming. I haven't used a Cavalier in any of my games yet, so it was the one I was looking forward to most!
Cavalier is awesome but yeah Ghost Rider isn't getting it done.
This game and its updates continue to haunt me. Now I have to do another playthrough with a weretouched character. So glad the archetype turned out well.
Me too! Owlcat did a great job.
now i need to make a gnome dark lurker to get behind my enemy and whisper their ear "get gnomed son"
😂😂
Are the new classes an update or come with the dlc? Thx for the video
I believe they come with the DLC.
As a hag riven you can only attack twice per round? I think I will choose shifter.
What are the stats for blizzard elemental?
Massive. The Blizzard elemental is no joke, I just hate that it's always a huge size.
@@SlanderedGaming can he tank better than leopard though?
Regarding the reanimator’s undead creation being 1 round/level vs longer. I’m just starting WotR now coming off of Kingmaker, and as I understand it, WotR is a much more stable product (Kingmaker’s crashing - at least on PlayStation - was probably its biggest problem for me), so it might not be an issue here, but I really liked animate dead throughout kingmaker. These cheap bodies to jam up the battlefield, soak hits, and provide flanking partners for those with sneak attack were effective into the endgame, but I’ve never crashed the game as reliably as when I threw out a few too many skeletons in a combat. If there’s even a whisper of that in WotR, a longer summons time could be a detriment rather than a benefit.
Nah WotR is SIGNIFICANTLY more stable than Kingmaker.
What's the point in the Separatist when there's the impossible domain mythic ability? And the trickster tricks?
I ended up with 5 domains in my current playthrough.
Basically it allows you to do the same thing without burning a mythic ability or being forced into Trickster. Doesn't provide something different but gives you a potentially easier way to go about it.
So after trying WOTR when it released and dropping it halway through act 3 because I did not know what I was doing and everything was wiping the floor with me, I decided to try it again recently and Ive used your Blade aldori swordman build and Its been a blast, after I finish this playthrough I definetly want to try one on core, what guides/builds/literally any other suggestions do you have?
You would need to provide more information like what Mythic Path you are planning to run, what party, etc. From there I could give you some tips on how to make it most effective. I will say that Angel is the most powerful mythic path of them all so if you wanted an easier time with Core the Cleric-Angel combo is probably the way to go. Some people also swear by Oracle even though I am not a big fan of it.
@@SlanderedGamingYou've just reminded me why I put down the game and why I won't be picking it back up.
I never finished my first run, and this DLC seemed interesting. The patch seemed interesting. New classes seemed interesting.
The game is so unfriendly to people unfamiliar with DnD, and you have to plan shit out to the enth detail if you're not playing on easy. I don't want to plan everything out. I don't want to study DnD. I don't want to have to spend 5min doing a buff dance on Xbox before every interaction that has more than a trash mob.
Crpgbro is your best friend for wotr, He made the game literally easier than super mario, follow any of his guides and you will beat the game on unfair in less than 80 hours.
@@adamkadir3803I didn’t have a problem on normal and I’ve never played a DnD game in my life. You can use the premade builds for companions and your character or you can just take a class that’s strong and really easy to build like bloodrager primalist. There are also mythic paths that are more beginner friendly like azata
That being said part of the games charm is its depth and complexity anyone who doesn’t like that would probably be better playing something like divinity or dragon age because you’re really missing half the experience otherwise.
Why is it bad for a witch to focus on evocation? I was planning on playing the hag of gyronna class while firing rays all over is that bad?
Hellfire rays don't have a DC check, it's a direct attack. Witch doesn't get good Evocation spells that benefit from increasing DC.
@@SlanderedGaming what kind of spellls should i be using?
I'd wait for the last DLC to drop to buy the Season Pass for the better discount.
Ghost Rider is a very favorable choice to RP as Ghost-Rider(surprise-surprise!) and Hag-Riven is the go-to choice for Wolverine from the table top players.
Shadowcaster really said you are a gish now at capstone with the perma-Transformation.
Oh nice I didn't even think about Hag-Riven for Wolvie. Yup that makes a ton of sense.
Whatever the mechanics, from a fluff perspective Flesheater feels like it was designed for Wenduag or a Demon run, being a cannibal to absorb her victims power is her whole stick
Grumble grumble but Ghost Rider is so COOL grumble...
That aside: there is one area where Dual-Cursed Oracle might earn a higher ranking than you've considered here, and that's on Unfair difficulty. For most tank characters the *only* time you will ever take damage is when you get critically hit, and considering Unfair's huge boost to damage received, that matters a LOT. A character that has received Protective Ward from someone with hexes and the protection of a Dual Cursed Oracle will almost never, ever actually end up taking damage simply because even if the enemy somehow managed to roll 2 natural 20s, one gets reduced to a natural 1 critical miss. For every other difficulty, any character that's going for critical hits is going to love the blessing simply because a nat 1 is suddenly a nat 20 which is effectively Improved Critical without having to pay anything for it. That also means you never even have to consider Always A Chance as a mythic power (although it wasn't that desirable to begin with, and now there are some *tasty* armor mythics to consider).
Hmmm that is an interesting point to consider.
Ghost rider mixed with magus, maybe on a legendary path, to make the best pale rider build.
I feel like the ice archetype discussion ignores that Lord of Nothing is an ice-themed DLC and an ice-themed pseudo-mythic
To me that counts against it because there's probably a ton of enemies who are highly resistant to ice damage and you don't get mythic abilities to bypass that.
@@SlanderedGaming You do! That is very much a thing that you get!
What would you rank the reworked assassin?
Dunno haven't looked at it's mechanics and the new mythic options yet.
Winter witch you dont lose animal companion, you get the strongest animal companion yet.
The ice companion have insane stats.
I agree but it's also constantly huge which I find very annoying.
@SlanderedGaming Funny enough legendary proportions make it smaller. Also, all cold damage by your summon works with your mythic cold ability.
Hey assassin got an update. want to check that out to see how good it is?
Yup I am going to check it out after reviewing the patch notes.
Time for my Herbert West playthrough 😂
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Ok after playing a bit I found that the nature's whisper nerf is totally stupid and unwarranted. I had this on Seelah in my current unfair playthrough (was respec 1 scaled fist 1 oracle rest into martyr using mods of course). But she wasn't nearly tanky enough for unfair. She was ok i guess but without my 2 leopards she wouldn't have survived long. She was getting around 44 ac at lvl 7. I had to respec her again mid playthrough with the changes (i stopped playing a week before waiting for update in early act 2.) Anyway im not quite there yet but soon i'll get the mythic feat for heavy armor and on top of that I'll probably take a witch dip for the lizard familiar (+1 ac) and ice plant hex (+1 ac in combo with icy protector ring so +3 ac) [+4] which all stacks with heavy armor. She's easily gonna go over 50 ac in act2 which is a lot better than before. She can finally main tank unfair. So thanks for the "nerf" my party is now a lot stronger wtf. The nature's whisper nerfs only affects oracles and scaled fists which weren't even that good to begin with, i guess it might have a minor impact on some insta caster builds but high ac is kinda wasted on casters ontside of super niche stuff and Sword saint was tankier anyway. Obviously i appreciate devs still updating game but that "nerf" was dumb. Whoever was complaining about this in the first place is dumb. It's a single player game and if youtubers recommended monk dips it's because they are needed on higher difficulties. Getting through act 1 on unfair even with respecs is now gonna be even harder than before which we didn't need. I feel like mc tank is needed even more than before which reduces versatility and choice by a lot. Again i feel like the people complaining about this weren't playing on unfair and could've just ignored monk dips altogether instead of crying on the forums about it. Crane wing nerf was good because it wasn't behaving like the description but not nature's whisper the description was exactly what it did in game. Elemental barrage nerf was also good because Sword saint was overall the best class in the game by far. I play unfair with respecs for replayability and i just want as many viable classes as possible. Obviously the game is based on the tabletop but it's fundementally different nobody would play the tabletop with "unfair" difficulty it wouldn't make any sense
So, what is the actual point of the Flesheater? I don't get it, in lore or in game, it makes 0 sense to me. What sort of role does it play?
It's for people who from a roleplaying standpoint like playing a character who literally devours their enemies. Personally it's not my cup of tea. LOL