Keep in mind Holland is a full 2.5 years younger than Ausar was coming into the league. I do love Ausar but man Hollands offensive ceiling is crazy high.
The difference is Ron is 18 and Ausar is 21 Ausar has worked on his game more I feel like we got a young Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown its up to us to develop everything they already know when i see these two i look at them like they have the highest potential on the team dont get ne wrong Cade is our guy now but if these two wings grow the right way we can possibly have 2 elite 2-way players fingers crossed 🤞🏾 for the future 💯💪🏾
It is not legal to sell weed on the internet, so I won't ask how much your dope costs. Because if you think that those two are anywhere near where Tatum and Brown, you are high AF.
Hate my opinion or not, Tobias will cook on this team, and we will be happy we signed him. Also, he will bring A LOT off the court and in the locker room to our young players that our other vets couldn't dream of. Thanks, Ku. I always appreciate your content and grind to bring us your take on our team. 👍🏼🏀
I think he will be a good locker room guy and a good practice guy, brining experience from winning teams. But his shooting is the same as Stew’s and his defense is worse, so I don’t really see how he improves our situation much besides adding depth. Tobias would get even more cooked on defense playing against quicker 3s than staying at the 4.
@@scottwickett1273 I think he may space the floor a little more than Stew. Although they shoot the same he is known around the league and will draw defenders a little better.
When you win 14 games, you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt irrespective of who you sign/whether they make sense (which for the record, I believe they do make sense). Houston last year was clowned for signing FVV for a 3yr max & Brooks at 20m/yr given the mess they were under Silas & look at their turnaround. Houston's moves a yr later look a lot better & I just hope the same thing happens here
I’m not as sold on Houston. They started off hot, winning everything at home and being unable to win on the road. Things evened out and they fell to earth and still were in the lottery. They used their cap space to top out at mid IMO.
Ku, your differentiation between Ron and Ausar is all based on your presumption of how they will develop. Right now they are more alike than different: both are strong defenders that rely solely on athleticism on the offensive end. One is a rookie and one only played most of a season with a bad coach and unstable role, so basically a rookie.They may diverge as you believe, but it is way too early to say. The Pistons did basically draft the same guy two years in a row.
Ausar has been a better passer than Ron so far. Also had better athleticism statistics, indicating better defensive potential. But Ron is younger and could develop in all of those areas. Also Ron has been the better shooter so far. Simply getting to average three point shooting will make him a valuable NBA player for many years.
Auser is going be best on ball Defender in game if healthy n do things that don't show up in box score..Ron is going be a great off ball defender n more conventional SF...AUSER extremely unorthodox, hybrid player...
Id like to see this lineup in preseason. Cade, Ausar, Fontecchio, Tobias, Stewart. Better shooting and defensively with stewart over duren. Although pick and roll wont be as dynamic
I want to see this lineup too. This should be our defensive lineup for sure when we are trying to close out a win with the lead. I love pairing Ausar & Stew with Ausar as main roll man, but I also think this lineup could work with Duren. Duren & Ausar are both good passers, so the right offensive movement could make this lineup work too. I loved hearing JB talk about how the analytics will help them structure lineups. I don't think Monty ever looked at or cared about any analytics.
@@ZachErickson-0222 duren a great short roll passer stew in my opinion terrible lol i think he should stay the 4 cant play the 2 wit horrible spacing without another ball handler who can create outside of cade
The Pistons off-season was awful, had a chance to turn this thing around quickly with cap space and young trade chips but they made a bunch of terrible moves like Harris, Hardaway and Beasley
Please note when he says Ausar is a little better prospect he is not saying that Holland can’t be better than him. They both obviously have work to do.
@rafaelsantana4905 players exceed projections and don’t live up to them too. So what I am saying is it’s no guarantee who will be better even if one has better raw tools.
Once those two develop in the G league this season they should be good to go next to Cade. I do feel this will be the rotation this year:Cade, Beasley,THJ, Harris and Duren; Ivey,Sasser,Tech,Stew and Reed. That logical lineup puts Ivey as the backup PG to further develop his playmaking skills and no room realistically for Thompson or Holland so I feel they going to the G league to develop offensively. They both will be competent high 🎚️ scorers once they hit the main roster after we trade THJ to the Heat for Duncan Robinson or maybe Tyler Hero. Beasly here until Holland is ready which wont be in the next few seasons.
You don’t know what you’re talking about Holland is a touch finisher he has great touch on the ball and extraordinary athleticism you don’t have an eye for the gifted
The last segment you project way too much from a tiny sample size from a very bad team that other teams put very little effort against knowing they only had to play well for about 8 minutes a game to win. While, yes, spacing would be nice I would rather see us work with what we have and develop an offense that works with them. Be way more dynamic off ball than just having spacing and waiting for the kickout. Off ball screens, back door cuts, smart play. We have the athletes to make the other team work on defense and tire them out instead of just standing guarding stationary shooters and saving all their energy for their offense.
Stretch Centers are growing in popularity around the NBA because they create space for stars who aren't great shooters. Probably the most famous example is Lopez stretching the floor for Giannis. Can Ausar be our version of Giannis? Haliburton shines because he is a great player, but having a stretch center has kept the paint wide open for him to drive and dish. Imagine if Cade had space to attack the rim. While Ku admitted the sample size is small, the logic is strong. And many teams are doing exactly what Ku suggested, including the Celtics who just won a title with a stretch center.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I agree that it may be helpful for spacing, but we don’t have a stretch center. There are other ways to win and we need to work on them. Probably by the time we are ready to actually compete teams will have figured a way to counter it or rules will change and the inside game will be important again. Let’s make our players work well and not just try to copy everyone.
Worst season award topic. Fred Katz (Athletic) said he was shocked that Detroit didn’t get a 1st rounder for the THJ dump, and on top of that had to give Quentin Grimes away
Overpay based on what? Also you do know that there is a salary floor right. So who would you have gone out and got with the CAP? Who was knocking Detroit's door in FA? @rafaelsantana4905
Yeah, especially considering San Antonio got a first for taking on Harrison Barnes, who is better than THJ If Weaver made that trade he would have gotten killed
Holland more similar to Ivey than Ausar Yeah Ron's a little taller and projects as a better defender, but both are bull in a China shop type offensive players
Ivey is a bad defender and good at passing, with almost average 3%. Ron is (hopefully) a good defender, bad three point shooter with limited passing skills. Ausar is basically Ron with an even worse three point shot, but better passing...
Ku, I must admit that I am disappointed at the drop to 3 episodes a week. I know it is the slow season, but that is why we need daily episodes-there is nothing to watch. Give us breakdowns of every player individually. Dive into the coaching staff. Compare us to how we did this off season to other teams. I know it’s not just cruising into do a pod and takes more work, but that’s what a job is. Help us out here, we are all dying for anything this time of year. Olympics will cover for a couple weeks, but there still a long stretch to go.
I agree their projects but I’m talking about just raw ability and talent and high upside, I seen more from Matas from just film before the draft and then he did what he did in summer league, yeah he would’ve been my pick at 5th overall
Just playing devils advocate, I don’t really think that the Pistons had the worst offseason, but someone that didn’t watch the Pistons may. I heard many announcers believe in Monty this last season thinking players just needed more time with him and the team more talent, so would not count his firing as a plus, but think we’ve signed a worse pick. We played Groundhog Day with the #5 pick and got the same guy again. Tobias has the same shooting numbers as Stew, so no upgrade and the same is true for Beasley and Hardaway with the guys they replace. So, someone that doesn’t know the Pistons well could look and say the worst team had an offseason where they just tread water, which will keep them being the bottom of the league.
@@scottwickett1273 the reason I think it wasn’t as bad as all that is that we added quality depth. Our starters often went to the bench with a lead only for the bench to get completely buried to the point the starters had no chance of filling the hole, even if Monty brought them all back (which he often didn’t). So, at least the hole they need to try to climb out of may not be as deep this season. Plus we have someone with interest in actually coaching the team.
I know it's just a 1 year deal. I just think that's a guy worth a look. A cheap player that needs a shot. Who can fill a role we need rim protecting and shooting and allowing Duren to be a 4.
@@trustyourdiscipline9497 Duren is not a 4 by any stretch of the imagination: he is a 5 and only a 5, and needs to improve dramatically so as to merit a starting role.
The NBA is changing we don't have many legit 5's in the league maybe just 5. Duren is young and does have a ways to go. With his athleticism, some touch of playmaking, and dramatic free throw percentage(shooting touch) improving I believe he's a true 4. Potential in a mode of Amare Stoudemire likely will never get there. Who was primary a 4/5 I would categorize a 4. He still has maybe 4 or 5 more years before we can see what he really has around that 24 to 25 age. In a league where Tobias is a "4" I get how Duren is a "5"
@@trustyourdiscipline9497 if Duren can become a shooter he might deserve a comparison to KAT. Defensively he needs to make vast improvements to be valuable as an under the rim center.
Pistons vs Nuggets for worst offseason Nuggets are supposed to be contending for a title, but lost another rotation piece without getting a replacement. OUCH!!!! ------------------------- Pistons are trying to win 20 games to avoid setting any more records for losing... With 60m in cap space their big acquisition was Tobias Harris. Pistons traded a Grimes for an older player who probably will not be as good next season. But we got three future second round picks! Ron Holland has not been impressive is Summer League. That might not matter, but its not making the pick look good. Is Malik Beasley better than Burks? ++++++++++++++ Bobi Klintman has been impressive in Summer League, he might even earn a spot in the rotation for a terrible team like the Pistons Fred Vincent is an excellent shooting coach, and this team desperately needs one. A rotation full of rookie contracts should be better next year just because they are one year older. After a 28 game losing streak and only pulling off 14 total wins in an 82 game season, it shouldn't take much to be less bad....
Did we have the best off season? No but seriously would could we bring in? We may have the cap but we are a joke no serious player who isn’t justing looking for another chance would sign with us and as for the grimes trade he played 6 games last year thj is an upgrade solely by being available and although we should’ve gotten a first if he is good at drafting than those 3 seconds could easily turn into a solid rotational piece or 2 in the future. As for Ron holland not doing good well Steph curry and d-rose looked bad as well as chandler Hutchinson and tyus jones looked like future superstars and we all know how that turned out. We also may not have improved our starters but Tobias is still a solid player who can be a veteran mentor for this young team and be a solid complimentary offensive pieces that won’t interfere with our young players.
@@michaelwicklund if we're going to assume Grimes will not be healthy again next year Cade and Stew should get the same treatment. While we weren't getting big names we could have pursued guys like Jalen Smith, Tyus Jones, Gary Trent, and maybe a good defensive center who is taller than 6'9? We couldn't add all of those things but at least some would have been nice. Even if Ron develops he's probably several years from being a positive contributor. Especially if we keep Ausar and Duren. The Clippers and a couple other teams also had a bad summer so it will take a couple months into the season to have a more accurate ranking.
So on any fan centric board, you won't see anybody saying that firing Monty Williams was bad because of the money. They're about 10 times more likely to give Gores credit for it, if they care at all. These insiders though, they do care about the money. So I think that could be a big part of why they say it's the worst offseason.
The reason it's a bad offseason is not related to the Monty payout: it's because they stupidly wasted their cap space on wildly overpaying Tobi for no reason at all instead of using that cap space to collect assets. They're still screwed because they're still stupid.
@@scottwickett1273 They didn't do any of those things though. Didn't waste cap space, didn't overpay, did have a reason to sign Tobias, did get all the assets that were available.
@@luniz4209 There are lots of reasons I'm not working in the NBA, but that doesn't change the fact that you are massively stupid and wrong about absolutely everything.
Yes and no Holland is further along in terms of being a #1 option but Ausar can contribute right now. Primarily because he's NOT a primary. He excels _without_ the ball as a cutter, finisher, on ball defender, off ball defender, rebounder and he's an awesome connective playmaker.
@@babyfacenelson6728 no one says it because it's not true Holland doesn't have Jordan's shooting touch, passing vision and is like four levels down as an athlete
Ku is the only dude on this Earth campaigning for a guy who can't shoot at all to start. We are not talking about low 30s shooting for Ausar. He is suggesting starting a player who shot 22% from 3pt. Let that sink in for a second. Teams literally left him open unguarded on most jumpshots. Then on top of that he's also a below average on FTs. So even if he is playing off this amazing different type of spacing he talked about. Teams will foul him and put him on the line. Ku always talks about gravity. But ignores the fact that Ausar has zero gravity on offense at this point. At his current level he's liability on offense. You cannot survive in this current NBA without a jumper no matter how good your D is. Teams are too good on offense these days for a team to be playing 4 on 5 on offense. Patience with Ausar is the key. He's going to develop. Let him play off the bench where he can gain some progress on that jumper. Defensive specialists should come off the bench because thats what he is right now.
Ausar shot 60% from the line. If you are getting 1.20 points per possession in the half court because teams are fouling Ausar that is a top 3 offense. No one is intentionally fouling a 60% FT shooter. You have to remember that spacing doesn't just mean shooting. It's literally about how the players are spaced on the floor. Little things like lifting at right time or screening away off ball Plus the team never weaponized Ausar's cutting ability last year which creates its own form of gravity no different from shooting ability. (Defenders are hesitant to leave a guy if they know he's going to dunk on them if they turn their head.) Ausar really _HAS_ to play with the starters and specifically Cade since Cade has the vision to find him on those cuts. Plus playing with the starters amplifies his own passing. Honestly Ausar is not even worth playing with bench units because those groups can't take advantage of the things he does well on offense. He's a liability if you use him like he's Cam Johnson, which is what Monty did. But a guy who finishes and passes that well should be a weapon. Think about Aaron Gordon. His cutting and lob finishing is such a problem
@@teezzz9645 GS won playing Draymond, Iguodala and Livingston together. Ausar being able to knock down corner threes would help but he still spaces vertically and is a plus passer. You don't actually have to play like the 2017 Rockets.
Bottom line is that Ausar has a ceiling that you don't give up on until it is clear he will never reach it. Plain and simple, cut and dry. If you keep him too long and he is a bust then so be it. If you limit those mistakes to only players with eye popping ceilings, then it will only be an occasional problem because you don't draft those players often (FYI - I don't view Holland as one of those). The bigger problem would be moving on too early from a generation star. We absolutely CANNOT make that mistake. Just can't do it. Can't happen. Better not happen, Lol. You get my point. I also feel that you give every draft pick with a high ceiling a chance to show whether they can reach it, if their perceived ceiling is high enough. In our market, that is the only way we will get superstars in their prime. As long as we are in the lottery, keep taking shots at potential stars. Would also be nice to have a GM that has a better eye for those players than the average fan, but year after year, that does not seem to be the case. I think you could let most high level fans run the draft of their favorite teams and the results would be close to the same.
@@kingdomthinker9794 I don't get the Stackhouse comparison. Jerry was a dynamite shooter at all three levels. Currently Ron plays like Diallo. Hopefully Fred will be able to fix his shot.
@@andywalken6838 Stew should start on THIS team, because he is the second-best player on THIS team. That said, I completely agree that he would not start on most other teams, and that the Pellies would laugh hysterically before slamming the phone down.
Neither will be good if they cannot develop a decent jumpshot. All the good nba playoff teams have good wing shooters. But the pistons always have to be the team to reinvent the wheel. Probably why we have been rebuilding for 20 years lol.
This is langdon's first report card he made a lot of moves brought in a coach only thing counts is winning and losing on the floor all the moves he make we should at least win 30 games if we get stuck and as bad as we were he's not a good GM so proceed with caution he handpicked who he got rid of and who he kept let's see it on the court
The off season wasn't great, just being honest. Got screwed getting the 5th pick. Then picking the wrong pick at 5. Tobias was an ok deal, THJ gets hurt to much and probably about done. Beasley is ok but doesn't really move the needle. Now our biggest player is 6'10 and doesn't play defense and the East is huge and gonna kick our asses down low. It's good that Simone Fontecchio only got a 2 year deal but it was for to much money for a guy that hasn't proven to be any more then a average player. And He missed the end of the hardly played season due to injury that needed surgery. Did he even totally recover?
They didn't get screwed, you just really fucking suck at math. Also Fontecchio is actually UNDERpaid rather than overpaid. I do agree that they have had a very bad offseason, though!
Fontecchio played many games for the Jazz prior to the trade. The injury is likely why the Pistons were able to keep him for such a small amount of money. that and being a RFA.
bro we thought the last offseason was good and had the worse record in history. They dont believe in us and they have a right until we improve. Nothing to be frustrated about.
Whitmore last year and clingman at center this year our drafing sucks for 5 years even us dummies could hit bulls eyes better good news about no shooters is tank for draft next year which is strong. Whitmore clingman better on o and d big misses like Halliburton and lots others.
@@jeramibanks3276 He is the second-best player on the team. That doesn't mean there isn't a trade return out there that would be good for the Pistons, but otherwise....yes, keep him, because he is definitely better than all of his teammates except Cade.
Keep in mind Holland is a full 2.5 years younger than Ausar was coming into the league. I do love Ausar but man Hollands offensive ceiling is crazy high.
@@teezzz9645Asaur would be a bust if not for his top ten in ball defense
The difference is Ron is 18 and Ausar is 21 Ausar has worked on his game more I feel like we got a young Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown its up to us to develop everything they already know when i see these two i look at them like they have the highest potential on the team dont get ne wrong Cade is our guy now but if these two wings grow the right way we can possibly have 2 elite 2-way players fingers crossed 🤞🏾 for the future 💯💪🏾
It is not legal to sell weed on the internet, so I won't ask how much your dope costs.
Because if you think that those two are anywhere near where Tatum and Brown, you are high AF.
@@chetisanhart3457 reading is fundamental I said potentially become 2 way wings like them lol
How can you call Isaiah Stewart a non shooter when you watched him hit 38% from 3 on good volume?
Hate my opinion or not, Tobias will cook on this team, and we will be happy we signed him. Also, he will bring A LOT off the court and in the locker room to our young players that our other vets couldn't dream of. Thanks, Ku. I always appreciate your content and grind to bring us your take on our team. 👍🏼🏀
I agree but I think he would be a better 3...so I think we STILL NEED a TRUE 4
Counterpoint: Tobi sucks.
I think he will be a good locker room guy and a good practice guy, brining experience from winning teams. But his shooting is the same as Stew’s and his defense is worse, so I don’t really see how he improves our situation much besides adding depth. Tobias would get even more cooked on defense playing against quicker 3s than staying at the 4.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Yes, he is not good and he is not a floor spacer.
This is a disaster.
@@scottwickett1273 I think he may space the floor a little more than Stew. Although they shoot the same he is known around the league and will draw defenders a little better.
Bro you trippin on Ron…..he is a complete scorer…better handles…he will be the reason if Ivey gets traded
When you win 14 games, you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt irrespective of who you sign/whether they make sense (which for the record, I believe they do make sense). Houston last year was clowned for signing FVV for a 3yr max & Brooks at 20m/yr given the mess they were under Silas & look at their turnaround. Houston's moves a yr later look a lot better & I just hope the same thing happens here
You forgot to mention they got Ime Udoka aswell, and pistons got monty BILLiams
I’m not as sold on Houston. They started off hot, winning everything at home and being unable to win on the road. Things evened out and they fell to earth and still were in the lottery. They used their cap space to top out at mid IMO.
Ku, your differentiation between Ron and Ausar is all based on your presumption of how they will develop. Right now they are more alike than different: both are strong defenders that rely solely on athleticism on the offensive end. One is a rookie and one only played most of a season with a bad coach and unstable role, so basically a rookie.They may diverge as you believe, but it is way too early to say. The Pistons did basically draft the same guy two years in a row.
Ausar has been a better passer than Ron so far. Also had better athleticism statistics, indicating better defensive potential. But Ron is younger and could develop in all of those areas. Also Ron has been the better shooter so far. Simply getting to average three point shooting will make him a valuable NBA player for many years.
Auser is going be best on ball Defender in game if healthy n do things that don't show up in box score..Ron is going be a great off ball defender n more conventional SF...AUSER extremely unorthodox, hybrid player...
You brought in three new players gave them good money and their previous teams didn't want any of them
sometimes its about fit n new scenery
Id like to see this lineup in preseason. Cade, Ausar, Fontecchio, Tobias, Stewart. Better shooting and defensively with stewart over duren. Although pick and roll wont be as dynamic
I want to see the same lineup. I think ausar would be the main roll man. Unconventional, yes, but I think it could work
bad line up lol
Any lineup with Stew in against
I want to see this lineup too. This should be our defensive lineup for sure when we are trying to close out a win with the lead. I love pairing Ausar & Stew with Ausar as main roll man, but I also think this lineup could work with Duren. Duren & Ausar are both good passers, so the right offensive movement could make this lineup work too. I loved hearing JB talk about how the analytics will help them structure lineups. I don't think Monty ever looked at or cared about any analytics.
@@ZachErickson-0222 duren a great short roll passer stew in my opinion terrible lol i think he should stay the 4 cant play the 2 wit horrible spacing without another ball handler who can create outside of cade
As a Magic fan, there is no question Ausar is the better prospect. Please don't ruin him!
If Ausar develops everything Ki believes he will he is our best player, better than Cade.
The Pistons off-season was awful, had a chance to turn this thing around quickly with cap space and young trade chips but they made a bunch of terrible moves like Harris, Hardaway and Beasley
As prospects Ron coming in at 18 averaging 20 ausar came in at 20 averaging. 16 Ron a little better at defense and passing Ron the better scorer 🤷🏾♂️
Please note when he says Ausar is a little better prospect he is not saying that Holland can’t be better than him. They both obviously have work to do.
@rafaelsantana4905 players exceed projections and don’t live up to them too. So what I am saying is it’s no guarantee who will be better even if one has better raw tools.
Once those two develop in the G league this season they should be good to go next to Cade. I do feel this will be the rotation this year:Cade, Beasley,THJ, Harris and Duren; Ivey,Sasser,Tech,Stew and Reed. That logical lineup puts Ivey as the backup PG to further develop his playmaking skills and no room realistically for Thompson or Holland so I feel they going to the G league to develop offensively. They both will be competent high 🎚️ scorers once they hit the main roster after we trade THJ to the Heat for Duncan Robinson or maybe Tyler Hero. Beasly here until Holland is ready which wont be in the next few seasons.
Ausar is gonna play for the big club; maybe Ron too.
(They're tanking.)
You don’t know what you’re talking about Holland is a touch finisher he has great touch on the ball and extraordinary athleticism you don’t have an eye for the gifted
The last segment you project way too much from a tiny sample size from a very bad team that other teams put very little effort against knowing they only had to play well for about 8 minutes a game to win. While, yes, spacing would be nice I would rather see us work with what we have and develop an offense that works with them. Be way more dynamic off ball than just having spacing and waiting for the kickout. Off ball screens, back door cuts, smart play. We have the athletes to make the other team work on defense and tire them out instead of just standing guarding stationary shooters and saving all their energy for their offense.
Stretch Centers are growing in popularity around the NBA because they create space for stars who aren't great shooters. Probably the most famous example is Lopez stretching the floor for Giannis. Can Ausar be our version of Giannis?
Haliburton shines because he is a great player, but having a stretch center has kept the paint wide open for him to drive and dish. Imagine if Cade had space to attack the rim. While Ku admitted the sample size is small, the logic is strong. And many teams are doing exactly what Ku suggested, including the Celtics who just won a title with a stretch center.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I agree that it may be helpful for spacing, but we don’t have a stretch center. There are other ways to win and we need to work on them. Probably by the time we are ready to actually compete teams will have figured a way to counter it or rules will change and the inside game will be important again. Let’s make our players work well and not just try to copy everyone.
@@cordelldemattei5446 The Pistons do in fact actually have one of those.
@@scottwickett1273 sort of. Be nice if he were at least 3” taller, but we will see how he does if they use him that way.
@@cordelldemattei5446 He's the best they've got!
Would you trade Kuminga and Moody for Ausar or Hollands and Ivey?
Cade
Moody
Kuminga
Harris
Durren/Stewart
Worst season award topic. Fred Katz (Athletic) said he was shocked that Detroit didn’t get a 1st rounder for the THJ dump, and on top of that had to give Quentin Grimes away
And Andrew schlecht did not disagree
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What did Grimes do that was worthy of a 1st Rounder? All the other salary dumps went for seconds. So what are you comparing this too.
Overpay based on what? Also you do know that there is a salary floor right. So who would you have gone out and got with the CAP? Who was knocking Detroit's door in FA? @rafaelsantana4905
Yeah, especially considering San Antonio got a first for taking on Harrison Barnes, who is better than THJ
If Weaver made that trade he would have gotten killed
That one espn vote is probably Stephen A. Smith being mad about Monty being fired.
Holland more similar to Ivey than Ausar
Yeah Ron's a little taller and projects as a better defender, but both are bull in a China shop type offensive players
Ivey is a bad defender and good at passing, with almost average 3%. Ron is (hopefully) a good defender, bad three point shooter with limited passing skills. Ausar is basically Ron with an even worse three point shot, but better passing...
Ku, I must admit that I am disappointed at the drop to 3 episodes a week. I know it is the slow season, but that is why we need daily episodes-there is nothing to watch. Give us breakdowns of every player individually. Dive into the coaching staff. Compare us to how we did this off season to other teams. I know it’s not just cruising into do a pod and takes more work, but that’s what a job is. Help us out here, we are all dying for anything this time of year. Olympics will cover for a couple weeks, but there still a long stretch to go.
I think matas should’ve been the pick, 6’10 stretch that is athletic and jump shot has so much promise and he has that dog in him
I agree
Still feeling sick that we passed on Matas
I agree their projects but I’m talking about just raw ability and talent and high upside, I seen more from Matas from just film before the draft and then he did what he did in summer league, yeah he would’ve been my pick at 5th overall
I wanted to trade back for Kel'el Ware. But I had Matas over Ron because one should draft the taller, longer athlete who can't shoot or pass.
Just playing devils advocate, I don’t really think that the Pistons had the worst offseason, but someone that didn’t watch the Pistons may. I heard many announcers believe in Monty this last season thinking players just needed more time with him and the team more talent, so would not count his firing as a plus, but think we’ve signed a worse pick. We played Groundhog Day with the #5 pick and got the same guy again. Tobias has the same shooting numbers as Stew, so no upgrade and the same is true for Beasley and Hardaway with the guys they replace. So, someone that doesn’t know the Pistons well could look and say the worst team had an offseason where they just tread water, which will keep them being the bottom of the league.
I would argue that that someone would be basically correct.
@@scottwickett1273 the reason I think it wasn’t as bad as all that is that we added quality depth. Our starters often went to the bench with a lead only for the bench to get completely buried to the point the starters had no chance of filling the hole, even if Monty brought them all back (which he often didn’t). So, at least the hole they need to try to climb out of may not be as deep this season. Plus we have someone with interest in actually coaching the team.
Mo Bamba rim protector and 3 point shooter. Affordable player that don't have to be focal point.
He already signed with the Clips.
I know it's just a 1 year deal. I just think that's a guy worth a look. A cheap player that needs a shot. Who can fill a role we need rim protecting and shooting and allowing Duren to be a 4.
@@trustyourdiscipline9497 Duren is not a 4 by any stretch of the imagination: he is a 5 and only a 5, and needs to improve dramatically so as to merit a starting role.
The NBA is changing we don't have many legit 5's in the league maybe just 5. Duren is young and does have a ways to go. With his athleticism, some touch of playmaking, and dramatic free throw percentage(shooting touch) improving I believe he's a true 4. Potential in a mode of Amare Stoudemire likely will never get there. Who was primary a 4/5 I would categorize a 4. He still has maybe 4 or 5 more years before we can see what he really has around that 24 to 25 age. In a league where Tobias is a "4" I get how Duren is a "5"
@@trustyourdiscipline9497 if Duren can become a shooter he might deserve a comparison to KAT. Defensively he needs to make vast improvements to be valuable as an under the rim center.
finding it tough recently to enjoy this pod i’m sorry. I enjoy analysis but don’t love the player a v player b . Just let them be themselves
ok apologies I should have listened all the way through
Pistons vs Nuggets for worst offseason
Nuggets are supposed to be contending for a title, but lost another rotation piece without getting a replacement. OUCH!!!!
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Pistons are trying to win 20 games to avoid setting any more records for losing...
With 60m in cap space their big acquisition was Tobias Harris.
Pistons traded a Grimes for an older player who probably will not be as good next season. But we got three future second round picks!
Ron Holland has not been impressive is Summer League. That might not matter, but its not making the pick look good.
Is Malik Beasley better than Burks?
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Bobi Klintman has been impressive in Summer League, he might even earn a spot in the rotation for a terrible team like the Pistons
Fred Vincent is an excellent shooting coach, and this team desperately needs one.
A rotation full of rookie contracts should be better next year just because they are one year older.
After a 28 game losing streak and only pulling off 14 total wins in an 82 game season, it shouldn't take much to be less bad....
Did we have the best off season? No but seriously would could we bring in? We may have the cap but we are a joke no serious player who isn’t justing looking for another chance would sign with us and as for the grimes trade he played 6 games last year thj is an upgrade solely by being available and although we should’ve gotten a first if he is good at drafting than those 3 seconds could easily turn into a solid rotational piece or 2 in the future. As for Ron holland not doing good well Steph curry and d-rose looked bad as well as chandler Hutchinson and tyus jones looked like future superstars and we all know how that turned out. We also may not have improved our starters but Tobias is still a solid player who can be a veteran mentor for this young team and be a solid complimentary offensive pieces that won’t interfere with our young players.
@@michaelwicklund if we're going to assume Grimes will not be healthy again next year Cade and Stew should get the same treatment.
While we weren't getting big names we could have pursued guys like Jalen Smith, Tyus Jones, Gary Trent, and maybe a good defensive center who is taller than 6'9?
We couldn't add all of those things but at least some would have been nice.
Even if Ron develops he's probably several years from being a positive contributor. Especially if we keep Ausar and Duren.
The Clippers and a couple other teams also had a bad summer so it will take a couple months into the season to have a more accurate ranking.
So on any fan centric board, you won't see anybody saying that firing Monty Williams was bad because of the money. They're about 10 times more likely to give Gores credit for it, if they care at all. These insiders though, they do care about the money. So I think that could be a big part of why they say it's the worst offseason.
The reason it's a bad offseason is not related to the Monty payout: it's because they stupidly wasted their cap space on wildly overpaying Tobi for no reason at all instead of using that cap space to collect assets.
They're still screwed because they're still stupid.
@@scottwickett1273 They didn't do any of those things though. Didn't waste cap space, didn't overpay, did have a reason to sign Tobias, did get all the assets that were available.
@@luniz4209 None of that is true.
@@scottwickett1273 LOL sure and that's why you're commenting on youtube instead of working in the NBA.
@@luniz4209 There are lots of reasons I'm not working in the NBA, but that doesn't change the fact that you are massively stupid and wrong about absolutely everything.
Holland is further along to me 🍿
Yes and no
Holland is further along in terms of being a #1 option but Ausar can contribute right now.
Primarily because he's NOT a primary. He excels _without_ the ball as a cutter, finisher, on ball defender, off ball defender, rebounder and he's an awesome connective playmaker.
@@michaelahurt Holland is going to surprise the city that’s Cade’s Batman ..THJ should help Holland and Ivey shoot better also
No one has says it yet Ron Hollis has Michael Jordan skills
@@babyfacenelson6728 no one says it because it's not true
Holland doesn't have Jordan's shooting touch, passing vision and is like four levels down as an athlete
Ku is the only dude on this Earth campaigning for a guy who can't shoot at all to start. We are not talking about low 30s shooting for Ausar. He is suggesting starting a player who shot 22% from 3pt. Let that sink in for a second. Teams literally left him open unguarded on most jumpshots. Then on top of that he's also a below average on FTs. So even if he is playing off this amazing different type of spacing he talked about. Teams will foul him and put him on the line. Ku always talks about gravity. But ignores the fact that Ausar has zero gravity on offense at this point. At his current level he's liability on offense. You cannot survive in this current NBA without a jumper no matter how good your D is. Teams are too good on offense these days for a team to be playing 4 on 5 on offense. Patience with Ausar is the key. He's going to develop. Let him play off the bench where he can gain some progress on that jumper. Defensive specialists should come off the bench because thats what he is right now.
Ausar shot 60% from the line. If you are getting 1.20 points per possession in the half court because teams are fouling Ausar that is a top 3 offense. No one is intentionally fouling a 60% FT shooter.
You have to remember that spacing doesn't just mean shooting. It's literally about how the players are spaced on the floor. Little things like lifting at right time or screening away off ball
Plus the team never weaponized Ausar's cutting ability last year which creates its own form of gravity no different from shooting ability. (Defenders are hesitant to leave a guy if they know he's going to dunk on them if they turn their head.)
Ausar really _HAS_ to play with the starters and specifically Cade since Cade has the vision to find him on those cuts. Plus playing with the starters amplifies his own passing.
Honestly Ausar is not even worth playing with bench units because those groups can't take advantage of the things he does well on offense.
He's a liability if you use him like he's Cam Johnson, which is what Monty did. But a guy who finishes and passes that well should be a weapon. Think about Aaron Gordon. His cutting and lob finishing is such a problem
Well said!
@@michaelahurt YES! 💯
@@teezzz9645 GS won playing Draymond, Iguodala and Livingston together.
Ausar being able to knock down corner threes would help but he still spaces vertically and is a plus passer.
You don't actually have to play like the 2017 Rockets.
@@teezzz9645 Ivey fucking sucks because he can't guard you. Hope this helps.
Bottom line is that Ausar has a ceiling that you don't give up on until it is clear he will never reach it. Plain and simple, cut and dry. If you keep him too long and he is a bust then so be it. If you limit those mistakes to only players with eye popping ceilings, then it will only be an occasional problem because you don't draft those players often (FYI - I don't view Holland as one of those). The bigger problem would be moving on too early from a generation star. We absolutely CANNOT make that mistake. Just can't do it. Can't happen. Better not happen, Lol. You get my point. I also feel that you give every draft pick with a high ceiling a chance to show whether they can reach it, if their perceived ceiling is high enough. In our market, that is the only way we will get superstars in their prime. As long as we are in the lottery, keep taking shots at potential stars. Would also be nice to have a GM that has a better eye for those players than the average fan, but year after year, that does not seem to be the case. I think you could let most high level fans run the draft of their favorite teams and the results would be close to the same.
Ron looks like a taller Stack! Agressive and looking to score.
That's a good comparison man. 👍
@@kingdomthinker9794 I don't get the Stackhouse comparison. Jerry was a dynamite shooter at all three levels. Currently Ron plays like Diallo. Hopefully Fred will be able to fix his shot.
Trade stew for trey Murphy boom 💥💥
New Orleans wouldn't do that. Stew is a back-up and a Murphy is a playoff starter.
@@andywalken6838 Stew should start on THIS team, because he is the second-best player on THIS team.
That said, I completely agree that he would not start on most other teams, and that the Pellies would laugh hysterically before slamming the phone down.
Neither will be good if they cannot develop a decent jumpshot. All the good nba playoff teams have good wing shooters. But the pistons always have to be the team to reinvent the wheel. Probably why we have been rebuilding for 20 years lol.
Did you say Robert Downey Junior playing Dr Doom? LMAO
MCU, wrestling and Pistons. Your more than ok by me.
This is langdon's first report card he made a lot of moves brought in a coach only thing counts is winning and losing on the floor all the moves he make we should at least win 30 games if we get stuck and as bad as we were he's not a good GM so proceed with caution he handpicked who he got rid of and who he kept let's see it on the court
Haters n the media against detroit ever since pistons didn't throw the game to lakers n 2004
The off season wasn't great, just being honest. Got screwed getting the 5th pick. Then picking the wrong pick at 5. Tobias was an ok deal, THJ gets hurt to much and probably about done. Beasley is ok but doesn't really move the needle. Now our biggest player is 6'10 and doesn't play defense and the East is huge and gonna kick our asses down low. It's good that Simone Fontecchio only got a 2 year deal but it was for to much money for a guy that hasn't proven to be any more then a average player. And He missed the end of the hardly played season due to injury that needed surgery. Did he even totally recover?
They didn't get screwed, you just really fucking suck at math.
Also Fontecchio is actually UNDERpaid rather than overpaid.
I do agree that they have had a very bad offseason, though!
Fontecchio played many games for the Jazz prior to the trade. The injury is likely why the Pistons were able to keep him for such a small amount of money. that and being a RFA.
Bro mcu is cooked. They have been absolutely lost since endgame. They're milking the multiverse stuff to profit off of old IP.
bro we thought the last offseason was good and had the worse record in history.
They dont believe in us and they have a right until we improve. Nothing to be frustrated about.
Anybody who thought last offseason was good is simply very stupid.
Whitmore last year and clingman at center this year our drafing sucks for 5 years even us dummies could hit bulls eyes better good news about no shooters is tank for draft next year which is strong. Whitmore clingman better on o and d big misses like Halliburton and lots others.
Nope.
Trade Stew to Jazz for
Kyle Filipowski and Luka Šamanić.
Fuck no, that's the worst idea anyone has ever had.
@@scottwickett1273 Keeping Stewart is the worst idea
@@jeramibanks3276 He is the second-best player on the team. That doesn't mean there isn't a trade return out there that would be good for the Pistons, but otherwise....yes, keep him, because he is definitely better than all of his teammates except Cade.
I like Beef Stew I'd like to keep him around.
@@scottwickett1273 Get over your low sodium beef stew crush
Remember you are still Troy Weaver Killian Hayes apologist anything new comes in and sounds good you jump on it let's see how it works.